The Megyn Kelly Show - Lindsey Graham's Legacy, McConnell's "Proof of Life," and the Robinson Video You DIDN'T See, with Knowles, Posobiec, and Fitz | Ep. 1358

Episode Date: July 13, 2026

Megyn Kelly is joined by Michael Knowles, host of "The Michael Knowles Show," to discuss Lindsey Graham's legacy as an expert politician and "Trump whisperer," why Graham was respected by allies and opponents alike despite political disagreements, the importance of diplomacy and party loyalty in politics, Trump's surprising suggestion that Lindsey Graham's sister could replace him in the Senate temporarily, why she could be the perfect pick for the short term, Sen. Mitch McConnell's "proof of life" photo posted amid his mysterious hospital stay, the lack of transparency surrounding his health, the Democrats' embarrassing attempt to win back "manly men," why critics say the effort is undermined by the party's embrace of progressive gender ideology, "Elliot" Page's latest bizarre comments while on press tour for "The Odyssey," and more. Then Jack Posobiec, TPUSA contributor and Human Events Live host, joins to discuss the surveillance video played inside the courtroom during the Tyler Robinson hearing that was not made available to the media and public, what the footage shows of the moment Kirk was shot, why the video became one of the hearing's most powerful pieces of evidence, Then James Fitzgerald, co-host of the Cold Red Podcast, joins to discuss what Tyler Robinson's bizarre text messages reveal about his mindset after the Charlie Kirk assassination, the unusual language used in his communications, whether Lance Twiggs played a role in Tyler Robinson's alleged path toward the Charlie Kirk assassination, how their relationship may have contributed to Robinson's downward spiral, and more.   Knowles- https://www.dailywire.com/ Posobiec- https://x.com/JackPosobiec Fitzgerald- https://www.youtube.com/@ColdRedPodcast   Herald Group: Learn more at https://GuardYourCard.com Supersure Insurance: Upgrade your business insurance to a year-round SuperAgency at https://Supersure.com/Megyn Byrna: Go to https://Byrna.com or your local Sportsman's Warehouse today. The Wellness Company: Don’t let a sudden illness derail your summer—secure your peace of mind and save $45 on a Medical Emergency Kit today by visiting https://UrgentCareKit.com/MK and using promo code MK.     Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show and happy Monday. We've got a pack show for you today, Jack Posobic, who was inside the courtroom late Friday during Tyler Robinson's preliminary hearing into looking into the question of whether he should be held over for trial accused of killing Charlie Kirk is back with us later to discuss the final piece of evidence that was shown in court to a limited. group. The media and the public did not get to see it. Jack says it was video showing Robinson, quote, taking the shot that killed Charlie. Jack called it, quote, the most damning piece of evidence he had seen all week. And no sooner did he come out with this on Friday than some factions of the internet piled on him, like literally telling him he did not see what he says he saw.

It was a very strange phenomenon. And he's here to tell us directly what he laid eyes upon inside that courtroom and what the scene was around him as he watched it. Plus, former FBI agent James Fitzgerald is here to help analyze the new information we learned about Tyler Robinson and his so-called trans furry lover Lance Twigs. You know that James is a linguist. You know, he's told us that many times as we've talked to him about Nancy Guthrie. and we're going to ask him, as a former FBI profiler and linguist, Hal Robinson, seemingly weird, but also relatively normal prior to all of this, how did he become an assassin?

And what do the words used in those alleged confession notes and letters tell us? Fitz has thoughts. First, though, we covered the sudden shocking passing of Senator Lindsey Graham on our AM update this morning. you will not be surprised to learn that some of the worst people in our culture are trashing him. This is actually, you know, I'm not surprised by it. I'm not surprised. We've seen enough of this to know. This is par for the course.

But, you know, we've been harshly critical of Lindsay Graham in the past six months on this show with respect to his comments around the Iran war. Okay. But as the man dies, it's just not the time. He died suddenly at 71, which is relatively young in 2020. America. He hadn't been sick for a long time or anything. It just seems to have had a massive coronary event, which we'll discuss, and died almost instantly from the sound of it. They're doing an autopsy. They didn't autopsy. But they're doing a toxicology for people who think it's a little too convenient. He was over there in Ukraine. You know, he's calling for more munitions for Ukraine

to use against Russia and so on. And I understand the natural question is, did Putin have anything to do with it? I mean, Putin's had a lot of people killed who are enemies of Russia, journalists and others. And so I get the questioning. But that's a separate issue. You can ask questions about a politician's sudden death, especially when it's controversial as Lindsay Graham. I just don't think the time to celebrate their death is as his family is still shedding tears and grieving him. You want to talk. six months from now about Lindsay Graham's legacy and trash it. I mean, he was a politician, so I guess that's something you can do. Okay. I mean, I guess that's up to you. But his family is just still finding out that he's no longer here. You know, we're talking, it was within like 16 hours

of learning that he had died suddenly and just the pile on. I find this so cruel and insensitive. again, even as somebody who had become one of his harshest critics in some ways, definitely did not like the rhetoric he was using around war. I would never do that to the man. Upon death, I just find it so disrespectful. You don't have to like Graham. Why don't you just have some modicum of respect for his family? Just like show your humanity a little bit.

Take a beat. Why don't you keep the trashing on a private text chain between you, and your fellow people who can't stand them. What possesses you to go online and write the nastiest stuff about somebody who served the country, whether you were his fan or not, honorably for the vast majority of his adult life? Okay, whatever. We're going to bring on Michael Knowles in a minute. Also, Supergirl remains a massive flop at the box office.

Good gracious. This thing cost, they spent over like $350 million on this between the production budget and the marketing budget. and it's going to make back maybe one-third of that money by all accounts. And there are some really interesting questions behind why, you know, behind the notion of why, why? Why are these movies about these female superheroes bombing? And was it something about this one, this star in particular, that sent this one? I know it sounds like, oh, $100 million, how's that a bomb? Well, when they spent $350 million to make it, would you be happy if you lost $250 million on your latest project?

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Thanks for having me. You know what I'm saying about Graham? Right? It's like there's someone losing something of our humanity here when people die who we consider political opponents or with whose political views we disagree. Yes. Both sides do it, but the left does it a lot more than the right. That's how it goes. And this is for a few reasons.

I think it's because for the left, they don't really have a serious sense of religion. They don't have a sense of eternity. They don't have the Memento Mori. They're trying to cheat death all the time. The first image that came to my mind when I saw these people celebrating Lindsey Graham's death is the epigraph above the bone chapels that you can sometimes see in Europe. These are chapels made of bones and skulls. And the epigraphs written right above a skull, it says, as you are, I once was.

And as I am, you will be. So the ancient wisdom is demortuis, Niel Nisi Bonum, of the dead we say nothing but good. It's not that we want to lie. It's not like we want to pretend that we didn't have disagreements with Lindsey Graham or anybody else. But it's that when someone dies, you focus on the good things. And this is ancient wisdom that goes back to Kailon of Sparta in the 6th century. Okay. It's on pretty good authority.

And so when you think about Lindsay Graham, you say, all right, The left is going to say really nice things about Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. He was an austere religious scholar. They're going to say really nice things about Fidel Castro. You know, he stood a thwart the United States or whatever. But of Lindsey Graham, he's the worst guy ever. And I think on the right, Lindsay Graham might be more controversial than he is on the left, because he very much was a leader of the neocon faction, very interventionist foreign policy.

He was considered pro amnesty and weaker on immigration. But I met Lindsey Graham one time. time. I think I only met him one time. It was back when Senator Cruz and I launched the verdict podcast. This was during the first Trump impeachment. And one of the earliest, earliest episodes, Senator Cruz brings Lindsey Graham by the studio. And it was this kind of weird shag carpeting in a basement near the White House in D.C. And Lindsey Graham, the first thing that struck me about him was he was so funny. He was very funny on the show. And then off camera, it was dialed up in order of magnitude. Graham, I can say, is the single funniest guest I have ever interviewed on any show. He was

instantly likable. He was deeply knowledgeable. He was very generous with his time. And it is curious that people who didn't agree with him on the right, you know, people who come from different foreign policy factions or what have you, generally speaking, if they knew him, they only have nice things to say about him. And his colleagues on the left who knew him personally only have nice things to say about him. Even what's his name? Al Frank. you know, I'm good enough, strong enough, and gosh darn't people like me. Al Franken, when he was in the Senate, there was some interview that he gave where he was complaining that all the senators tried to tell him jokes and how annoying it was.

And I said, basically, the only one that's funny is Lindsey Graham. So why do I mention this? Not just to focus on the good things and, you know, it's the difference between a flatterer and a diplomat. The flatterer lies to ingratiate himself. The diplomat just kind of focuses on the good things. But I think there's actually a political lesson for us here, which is whether you love Lindsey Graham, whether he drove you up a wall, Lindsay Graham was an extremely effective politician. And he was extremely effective for a few reasons. He was good to people as much as he could be. He was good to people, even when he disagreed with them. And two, he understood that politics, at least in America, comes down to party. It comes down to supporting the party. You think about all those guys who ran against Trump or who were attacking Trump in 2016. The difference between Lindsey Graham and the rest of those guys

is those guys are now screaming on Twitter or Blue Sky or Substack. Those are the only outlets they have. And Lindsey Grand remained at the center of power. He was effective. Trump seemed to get choked up when he was talking about him just the other day. Lindsay Graham understood that you need to support the party. You need to win together that politics is a team sport. It can't all be about you.

And then the more you learn about his biography, you realize this was a really selfless guy. This is a guy who, when his parents died, he decided he was going to raise his 13-year-old sister. He's one of the only people in Congress who seems not to have enriched himself during his time there. He never, you know, gave into the... He was great, you know. So he was clearly a patriot, even if you disagreed with him. He clearly loved his country.

He served his country in the military, in the Senate. And he really advanced the GOP. He really helped... We might not have a Justice Kavanaugh, if not for Lindsey Graham. And so even if you don't like his views on immigration or on foreign policy or what... what have you. There's a lot of good in this man's life. And the fact that the left prefers Abu Bakr or al-Baghdadi to Senator Lindsey Graham tells you a lot about the left and it tells you a lot about Lindsey Graham. The Kavanaugh sound bite for me is, you know, because the way he talked

about war this past year was upsetting. But then when you remember what he did for Brett Kavanaugh, when the chips were down and people were turning on him by the minute, including within the GOP, after Christine Blasey Ford came out of nowhere. to allege he had raped her or attempted to sexually assault her years earlier. And then we had that other moron who claimed he was a gang rapist. This is an obvious liar represented by Avanotti. I mean, the pile on Kavanaugh was just so brutal. And it did take courage.

It took a lot of courage to stand up to the mob. And he was at the center of it as a former military lawyer. He was, I think he was running Senate judiciary at the time. And his voice was very respected in that circle in particular. and he put it all on the line for Justice Kavanaugh. Now, this sound bite is making the rounds. We cut the longer version. Watch.

Did you meet with Senator Dianne Feinstein on August 20th? I did meet with Senator Feinstein. Did you know that her staff had already recommended a lawyer to Dr. Ford? I did not know that. Did you know that her and her staff had this allegations for over 20 days? I did not know that at the time. If you wanted an FBI investigation, you could have come to. to us. What you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open, and hope you went in

2020. You've said that, not me. You've got nothing to apologize for. When you see Sotomayor and Kagan, tell him that Lindsay said, oh, because I voted for them. I would never do to them what you've done to this guy. This is the most unethical sham since I've been in politics. And if you really wanted to know the truth, you sure as hell wouldn't have done what you've done to this guy. Are you a gang rapist? No. I cannot imagine what you and your family have gone through. Boy, y'all want power.

God, I hope you never get it. I hope the American people can see through this sham. That you knew about it and you held it. You had no intention of protecting Dr. Ford. None. She's as much of a victim as you are. God, I hate to say it, because these have been my friends. But let me tell you, when it comes to this, you're looking for a fair process.

You came to the wrong town at the wrong time, my friend. It's a great line. And you could feel his righteous indignation on behalf of Justice Kavanaugh, and we were all feeling it. Those of us on the right or in the center who were just willing to give the guy a fair shot, felt it too. Lindsey Graham gave voice to it in a way no one else could or did. That's absolutely right. There's another story going around about how Lindsay Graham was going to raise money for someone whose foreign policy views he opposed. I think it was Blake Masters in this case. And someone asked, well, you know, why are you out here supporting this candidate that you disagree on the war? He says, who cares? Yeah, I think he's wrong on Ukraine. But you know what? I want the Republicans to win so that I can remain chairman of my committees. Okay, this is a team. sport. We need to go out here and help each other. And this to me is really one of the great

recommendations of Lindsey Graham and how he so clearly understood politics and excelled at politics is with some politicians, you look at like a Liz Cheney or some of these guys who get a little squishy. They'll say, they vote with the Republicans 94 or 95 percent of the time. Why would you oppose this person? You say, yeah, they vote 94, 95 percent of the time when it's easy. But on the crucial votes on the votes where your vote really matters, you're with the Democrats. You make it if you're a Liz Cheney or an Adam Kinsinger, you're going to go support the Democrats on impeachment, which is the crucial issue. You know, where it matters, where are you? And with Lindsay Graham, you'd say, look, he had honest disagreements on foreign policy and immigration and what have you.

But when it mattered, when it really mattered to the party, to the political movement, Lindsey Graham showed up and he actually had a lot of guts and he used his immense political skill that he learned as a trial lawyer in particular. He put that on the line and he was very, very effective. And it's funny to say because we all complained about his views on some of those issues. But, you know, the Republican Party would be in a much better place if we had guys with the political sense, insight, and guts of Lindsey Graham. The GOP would be a lot stronger. He became known, even though he had a very rocky start with the president in 2016. I was there.

I talked with Trump privately in his office about the time he gave out Lindsey Graham's cell phone as Trump was asking me for mine. I remember like, you're not going to Lindsay Graham me, are you? Just hold off. They got to a better place, as did we. And he was eventually known as somewhat of a Trump whisperer because of how intimate he became with the president as a friend. And there was a, there's a report out today. Was it Axios? But they were reporting how Graham would tell others he did it. He said, Trump doesn't respect people who flatter him all

the time. I would basically just figure out what Obama's position was. And I would go in and I would tout that to the president. And I knew he would do 180 from what Obama did. Like that was a great trigger that I used to manipulate the president in the way that I thought, you know, would land us in the right place. And he said Trump would go for that one 10 times out of 10. I mean, I can, I can see that being true. I'm sure President Trump certainly doesn't want to sound like Barack Obama on virtually anything. But there's no question there was a degree of manipulation there. And on foreign policy, especially, which became his very favorite issue. And in fairness to those who can't stand Lindsey Graham, you know, you said he loved people. I think they would say, uh,

Depends on the people. Yeah, right. Because if you're extremely pro-war, you're definitely going to get pushed back on a point like that. Again, it's for another day. But I do want to talk about his possible replacement because someone's going to serve out the remainder of Lindsay's term. And the president has suggested that the South Carolina governor, a Republican, nominate. He had told Kristen Welker, President Trump did yesterday, that he had someone very special in mind. Today he put it out.

Nominate Lindsay Graham's younger sister, Darlene, who interviewed with Dana Bash of CNN a couple of years ago about where they grew up and their very humble beginnings. Listen here, SOT 3B. Was not your bedroom. It wasn't your brother Lindsay's bedroom. It was your parents' bedroom. It was the room. It was the one room where we all slept, we all ate, we watched TV, the sofa. everything was in the one room. This building? Oh, God. You were only 13 years old.

Lindsay Graham is your brother, but it sounds like he was a father figure. Absolutely. Yeah. Even when my parents were alive, they worked really long, hard hours running a small business. So even then, he was a caregiver to me. And the fact that he actually adopted you, that can't be easy to adopt a sibling. He did it in order to give you his military managers. Right, right. And at first, the idea was a little odd, but I was like, no, it makes perfect sense. And I just trusted his judgment. So I knew he was doing what he could to take care of me, and it was best for us.

So that is the woman that President Trump would like to serve out the remainder of Lindsey Graham's term. She, yeah, they were very poor, obviously. He adopted her, as Dana pointed out. so that she could benefit from his military benefits, which worked. And they were very, very close. The New York Post apparently reached her this morning, Michael, to ask her for her reaction to the president's suggestion of her name. It didn't appear she was aware of it.

She just said to the New York Post, like, I'm sorry. I'm actually just kind of devastated right now, and I can't really chat. Like, she's still grieving, obviously. This is a sudden, I know person. what it's like to have a sudden death by heart issue. And it's devastating. It's, it's one of the best ways to go for the person who dies. You know, it's kind of how we all wish we would go. Like a moment, I'm sure you're stunned. You don't know what's happening. And there's not a lot of discomfort because it happens very fast. And then you're gone. But for the remainder, you know,

for the family, sudden death of a loved one is absolutely devastating. And I'm sure, even though 71 is relatively young by 2026 standards. It's not young in the eyes of like a 20-year-old today. They'd say, oh, 71. So he's had a full life, as my point, but I'm sure his sister is still reeling. What do you make of the nomination of a family member as the potential successor? Well, you know, it's funny about, to your point, Megan, on death, the view you've just articulated, I think is the ubiquitous view of how most people want to go out today, which is they want someone to just turn the lights off, basically. Not see it coming. You know, this is like of mice and men, George goes up to Lenny in the back of the head and you don't see it coming. But for most of

history, it was actually the opposite. People really wanted to know when they were going to die. They would have preferred a long illness to a sudden death because they would want to get their souls in order. They'd want to go to confession. They'd want to make sure, you know, everything was right with the big guy before they go up there. And it's, I think, a distinctive aspect of our modern age that we don't think that way. And for the people who are grieving, you know, I think the grass is always greener. Some people say, well, I wish I had time to say goodbye. And then the other people will, you know, if they do have a long time with their loved one, they'll say, well, no, I wish it were sooner. The long goodbye was so painful and excruciating. So it's all, all of that to say. It's all very, very brutal. And yes, of course, this woman who's not particularly political is grieving. An amazing bit of parallelism that when the New York Post calls her, the president says, you know, I want you to take the seat. And she effectively says, I'm hearing this for the first time, you know, he was an amazing person, very, very reminiscent of when Trump found out about RBG's death. But what do we make

of it? I'm a Republican voter, a lot of Republican voters listening. What do we make of it as people who want to see, you know, a solid person in this seat? I know there's going to be a lot of objections. People are going to say, well, this woman doesn't have any political experience. They're going to say, we don't really know what she thinks about things. She hasn't campaigned. She yada, yada, yada. I take a very Lindsay Graham approach to this question, which is, I want a reliable Republican vote who is going to advance the president's agenda for the remainder of this term. That's what I want. I don't care how much Edmund Burke she's read. I don't care how deeply she thinks about her political opinions. I want a reliable R vote who is going to stick to the script. and you know if she was so influenced by her brother, I strongly suspect she would be that kind of person.

There are a lot of other people who seem to be throwing their hats into the ring. Nancy Mace now somewhat infamously tweeted out that she was interested in it right away. But there are going to be a million people who are going to try to throw their hats in the ring. And all I want, I don't want the most experienced person. I don't want the most deeply politically educated person. I want a vote. I want someone to stick by the party. the president at the crucial moment.

That is the best part of Lindsey Graham's political legacy, and I want whoever fills his seat to do that. If his sister can do that, she's got my blessing. Yeah, I mean, and you can make a strong case that it's somebody who sees the view, sees the world with the same worldview as Lindsey Graham should be chosen because, you know, it was his seat and the voters of South Carolina who could have just rejected him in a primary challenge, but chose not to. Yeah.

They wanted, they clearly are okay and fine with how he saw the world and his policies. And if the sister's going to live up to those and carry those through, you could make the argument that that's the best way of seeing through the will of the voters. Now, I would always say, Megan, I think that the person who is put into this position should see the world exactly as I do. That would be my preference. I would like a kind of Michael clone to be in that scene. That person would have my vote too, Michael. We'll see. We'll see how it goes.

In the meanwhile, okay, so there are, I don't think they're conspiracy theorists if they're saying I want to see a blood test on the toxicology on Lindsay Graham. I'm fine with that. Like, we should check it out. If somebody, God forbid, somebody actually did somehow manage to assassinate a sitting U.S. Senator. We do need to know that. I think any of us who have had sudden death in our life due to massive cardiac events, look at this and say, I accept an aortic dissection wouldn't be caused by a drug, you know, like maybe a heart attack. But a night where you're, we're, we're, we're, we're, you. your iorta tears. That doesn't seem like it would be charged. Whatever. They're going to do it. But there's also conspiracy theories floating about Mitch McConnell. Now, this one is kind of interesting, too. Mitch McConnell had a medical event at his house mid-month last month.

The 911 dispatch is publicly available. And it shows that the EMS workers saying reports of an individual who is unconscious we're administering CPR. CPR. That's from the EMS workers. He goes into the hospital. It's very mysterious. They don't tell us exactly. We never get like the official update from his team like it was a heart attack or it wasn't a heart attack. The woman who broke it as an independent journalist. Then she reported last week as we said here, we repeated here attributing it to her that he was possibly in a coma or a vegetative state.

That appears not to have been true because his team says, he'll he's coming back at some point soon and they they posted this picture of former majority leader Mitch McConnell now just Senator Mitch McConnell he has said he's retiring before this he's going to retire when his term ends but in the meantime he's still a serving U.S. Senator and there he is with his wife Elaine Chow um and the he's there there's a picture of the Washington Post Sunday edition yesterday to prove to the world that it's current. I mean, it's a true proof of life type photo, Mike and Lulls.

He looks a little propped up. His facial expression looks odd. He's not looking into the camera. He's kind of looking up. It is a little off. And I respect and like Mitch McConnell. This is not, I'm trying to be respectful of him. But this has a lot of tongues wagging about whether this is real, whether we can trust

this photo. And now the team is. saying it they're not saying it was a heart attack they're just saying it was something else like he he passed out and he had some amorphous issue but not a heart attack Mitch McConnell's allegedly saying that himself so why was he getting CPR it's just there's a lot and by the way Senator Graham's team said he died after a brief illness on Sunday night a brief illness Why'd they say that? I thought that the autopsy says aortic dissection.

That means your heart split and you dropped dead. That's not a short illness. Why wouldn't they have just said a cardiac event? I don't know what's going on, but this is exactly how conspiracy theories get started. Yes. In the case of Senator McConnell, this is some late stage Soviet Union stuff where you're propping up the leaders who seem to be croaking every six months. So literally. I don't know that I buy the excuses.

I mean, right after he was brought to the hospital, you had all of these people in government and media. And they all came out and they said almost the exact same thing. They said, oh, I've just spoken with Mitch McConnell for 20 minutes. We discussed Iran and the economy. We solved for Mott's last theorem. You know, we were discussing quantum entanglement. He had some really interesting insights. You think like, who is nobody's believing this? What are you talking about? And then you have the Democrat in Kentucky, Andy Beshear, the governor, who is demanding proof of life, essentially. He wants an update on the medical condition. You're getting some. of that from the Republicans as well. But of course, in a very Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham

kind of operative twist, you've got this issue where if Mitch McConnell were to have suffered a very serious medical event, such that he would have to leave the Senate, if he did so before August 3rd in Kentucky, that would trigger a special election. And the special election could really mess up the Republicans in the general election, because as you point out, Mitch McConnell's not running for re-election. So you've got the table set. Everything's good to go for the re-election. We're going to have another Republican senator from Kentucky in January. But if McConnell were to leave office before then, you'd have a special election. Now you'd have a new incumbent who might run for re-election. All of a sudden, this easy replacement becomes very, very complicated. And so what's

going to happen? I think people are going to be really, really cagey on Mitch McConnell until August 3rd. And I don't buy that he's, you know, speaking of all the latest updates on Platner and Iran and all the rest of that. I guess I buy the photo. The photo is pretty weird, though, too. Then his wife, the former Transportation Secretary, I mean, she was in China reportedly meeting with the vice president of China while he was in the hospital. So look, McConnell obviously is not in great health. He's frozen up in recent years. He now reportedly, he took a fall also in recent days. I don't really know about any of that. The one thing I do know, people will be accused of being cynical and overly political by encouraging this kind of

sudderfuge and obscurity all the way through August 3rd. And I think this is classic McConnell. This is all cocaine Mitch, you know, who says that the winners make laws and the losers go home. So I'm fairly confident that he, more than anybody, would love to at least keep things going through August 3rd, such that the legacy of his seat is secure. But any reporting that I'm getting until then, I'm taking it with a very, very hefty grain of salt. I know, me too. So what he says is, again, here's the exact quote.

The leaked EMS dispatch audio describes an unconscious patient with a paramedic referencing in, this is in quotes, cardiac arrest and quote, CPR in progress. Okay. Then, and there's video posted by TMZ of Mitch McConnell being wheeled out of his home in D.C. on a stretcher and loaded into an ambulance the morning of June 14th. Then what he said in a statement here via his staff, it's not, we don't get to see him on camera, we don't get to hear him directly. Here's CNN video. I mean, it's got, it's got like junior Ayatollah vibes out of, out of Iran. You know, how we never get to see the new Ayatollah. We just get to hear his voice.

But we're not even there with Mitch McConnell. And Mitch McConnell's not gay. We should clarify that. He is married to Elaine Chow. So that's one other difference between the Supreme Leader. Sorry, go on. And not a terrorist either. He says, okay, last month I took a fall, which landed me in the hospital.

My doctors have confirmed I didn't break any bones or suffer a concussion. I didn't have a heart attack. or a stroke. I don't have any tumors or hemorrhages, but I was briefly unconscious and was taken to the hospital. And now I have a mild case of pneumonia. I don't know. If you look at that picture, you can see the Washington Post on the bottom, left corner underneath his thumb. But I'm not sure why the EMS, the people responsible for saving your life, say you had a cardiac arrest and that CPR was in progress. I think I'd be most unhappy if they performed CPR. on me when I my heart was fine. I was breathing. Seems like a novice mistake, Michael Dolls. I think

there might be a lawsuit in order there. Yeah. I don't know what's going on, but I don't trust anybody anymore. I trust nobody for nothing. Yeah, no, I would, I remember back when I was a single guy, I'd always get in trouble for, you know, trying to perform CPR on women and they just say, I'm not having heart attack. What are you doing? Stop it. The other big problem for this story is the, If he really had a serious heart attack, the odds of surviving a heart attack or not having very serious consequences from it at that age, not in a hospital, are pretty rough. So regardless, what we do know is what we are being told about his health is that he's in tip-top shape and it's all good and he's reading the paper and talking about a ram.

And I don't think anybody really believes that. It seems that he's alive. You know, he's Schrodinger's senator at the moment. No one is totally certain, but it seems like he's alive and communicative. But we don't really know. I'm not sure if he's communicative. Yeah, I really am skeptical. I'm pretty skeptical.

But regardless, we're, if Mitch McConnell staff is running things as Mitch McConnell has run things for decades, we're probably not going to find out until my estimate would be August 3rd, would be my guess. because the GOP's already down now, forgive me for being so political about it, but they're down a senator now, thanks to poor Lindsey Graham dying so suddenly. So now we're down to 52. And if McConnell's down, that's 51, that doesn't leave a lot of, you know, room to maneuver for President Trump, especially when he's got senators like Collins, Murkowski, Rand Paul. You know, there's a bunch who just can't stand Trump who aren't reliable Republican votes to begin

with. So things get more and more precarious for Team Red over there in the Senate. We'll continue to follow that too. While we're on the subject of electoral politics, an absurd piece in the Atlantic that has to be discussed for a minute. It was written by a guy named Russell Berman, and his headline is the return of the Democratic manly man. The Democratic manly man is coming back, Michael Knowles. The article begins with a story on Brian Poindexter, who's running for Congress in Ohio. They point out that Pointexter had just finished wolfing down a Rubin sandwich in a deli outside of Cleveland. Rubin, man's man meat. When he had delivered a message that, coming from a Democratic House candidate in the year 2026, sounded almost provocative.

Quote, there's nothing wrong with being masculine, Pointexter told me. It's okay, he said, to be a manly man. Pointexter's own manliness credentials are fully in order. The 46-year-old started working in a machine shop. as a teenager spent years hauling furniture across the country before finding stability as a union iron worker. He drives a ram, big horn pickup truck and built with his buddy turned campaign manager a shed. A shed in his backyard, Michael. He built a shed. It's part of his manly man credentials. Now Pointexter is running for Congress trying to flip a Republican health seat in Ohio with a pitch

aimed at a constituency that has abandoned the Democratic Party over the past two decades. men. Okay, and then it goes on to say how the Democrats have lost all men. No men voted for Kamala Harris, except if they had man buns. And the author to his credit points out that a, like a few months ago, he got a call from a Democratic Party operative who pitched a story on the Democrats' effort to, quote, win back the manosphere. The operative ran through a list of half a dozen candidates in Key House districts who are, quote, engaging culturally in male spaces. Because that's what a manly man does. He engages culturally in male spaces. And the author of the piece actually notes the absurdity of trying to pitch him on a story about winning back

men by arguing these men engage culturally in male spaces and says, yeah, there is, there remains anthropological distance that points to the depths of the party's problem, just in using that phrase to pitch this writer for the Atlantic on doing this story in the first place. The Democrats are focused, however, on finding manly men to run under their party banner to try to win back the manly men who rejected them soundly under President Trump during Kamala Harris's run and during the 2024 election. My daddy, my daddy was a factory worker, my granddad. My daddy laid the railroad tracks, and the one thing they both told me as a boy is to engage culturally in male spaces. You're not going to convince me otherwise, no, sir. IAS is really

pathetic, and of course it takes more than a Rubin sandwich to prove one's male bona fides. This guy who says that there's nothing wrong with being masculine is obviously contradicting what the entire left has now told us for about 30 years, which is that it's toxic to be masculine. The masculinity is toxic, it's poisonous, it has to be extirpated. Now, the Dems realize that blew them out of the water. The reason they're focusing on... This is Boyne Dexter, by the way. This is, yeah, you know, he's kind of got the look to him, but he doesn't have the party

and he doesn't have the platform. Because the reason they're focusing on sex here, rather than race, say, you know, they're clearly trying to run some more white guys. They had Platner up in May, and that didn't work out so well. They have Tala Rico. But the reason they're focusing on sex is because what really lost the people for the Democrats was not the hideous racial ideologies that they've been pushing. I wish that had lost the people, but it didn't. It was the sexual stuff.

It was the feminism, leading into the gay rights stuff, reaching its apotheosis with the transgender ideology, specifically transing the kids. That's what lost the common sense for the Democrats. That's what Republicans campaigned on in 2024, even when they're talking about the economy, even when they're talking about immigration, even when they're talking about foreign policy, the real cultural touchstone for them was the trans ideology because it showed that the Democrats had completely lost their judgment. And if they couldn't be trusted to know the difference between a little boy and a little girl, they couldn't be trusted on any other issue.

So the Democrats know they have this existential problem that they've got to fix. But the difficulty for them is they're unwilling to give up all of the world. woke stuff up to and including the trans ideology. So if you, it's one thing to go out there and say, we want to win men over again and we want to win back the working class and we want to win back unions. Union members, by the way, who vote Republican. Even union leadership these days is not reliably Democrat. I mean, that's, that is an existential crisis for the Dems. But, but it's one thing to go out there and say it. But if you're going to, if you're going to convincingly say it, you got to give up all the gay stuff and the trans stuff and the lavender stuff. You can't have one of these guys.

It's like driving that Dodge Ram truck on like a farmer's field and pulling over and letting Dylan Mulvaney get inside. Yes. No. Yeah. I mean, there's no, you can't put on the hard hat and the vest and say, you know what we ordinary Americans care about is putting food on our table and making sure that the intersectional disadvantages that the trans Muslims have faced for decades are finally corrected. That's what it just doesn't work. You know, it's kind of like what Yellowstone tried to do. Yeah, they want, you know, they want to have the.

the Americana, but it doesn't play. Tala Rico is a clear example of this, too. Tala Rico, they say, look, we got a white guy who's straight, I guess, and Christian. But then he opens his mouth and, you know, his girlfriend lives in Canada or whatever. You know, she goes to another school. And then his Christianity is not Christian at all. And it doesn't play. Got some weird thoughts about the Virgin Mary.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, and about God himself as being non-binary. And so it doesn't work. You know, to me, the clearest expression of this problem for the Dems is Gavin Newsom because he knows that he can't win as a woke guy, one, because he's a white guy, and so that he just won't be able to win that faction. But he knows that the Democrat Party still demands the woke stuff. So, you know, one day he's hosting Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon on his podcast. And then the next day, he's calling Stephen Miller a fascist and he's playing to the most radical elements of the Democrat Party. And he just, now he's getting the worst of all worlds because he can't pick a lane.

The Democrats. Yeah, he looks schizophrenic. Yes, they can't, they can't leave the woke stuff. So they're, they're in. When, if and when we see Poindexter come out and denounce this, then we'll know we found a real manly man. And by this, I mean Elliot Page, whose real name is Ellen, who is the star of Juno, who was a very cute girl, who now wants us to believe. that she's a he, very unconvincing he, and is starring it in a major role in the new version of The Odyssey, which is very woke and absurd, and also has just put out some, she's voicing

a film called Second Nature, which is a nature film directed by queer filmmaker Drew Denny and narrated by page about how animals are also gay. It explores same-sex relationships in the animal world and she is making a lot of publicity tour for these two movies and given us some barn burners of some sound bites let me start with number nine let's start with number nine in terms of looking at nature as if it's some sort of cis heteropatriarchal structure is absurd and that this you know gender binary um that we've created is nothing but a quaint little myth. And I think, you know, her work and this documentary really, really shows that what we have been taught in school in regards to these structures, men being superior, women being inferior,

you know, submissive or what have you, it being this, yes, heterosexual existence is just completely false. Looking at nature as some cis heterosexual. patriarchal structure is absurd, Michael. You are absurd. I feel you do this. I've said it for years that, you know, we got to look past the cis heteropatriarchy of nature. What's so stunning to me about what she says is she's burning down a straw man. She says, you know, the stuff we're all taught in school about how men are superior to women. What are you talking about? We're not. What we're taught, what we're taught in school now is that women are superior to men and men are toxic. But even if you go back to the bad olden days of the 1950s or something, we weren't even taught that then. We were taught that men and

women are complementary, that we're distinct and we cooperate together. But women are better at some things. Women are better at being women, for instance. And men are better at being men. And when men try to be women, or women try to be men like Ellen Page, it's not convincing at all. Ellen Page is an actress. And actresses are universally 100% crazy since the dawn of time. So the fact that this woman has an obviously severe mental illness, that's nothing about that is surprising. I guess what's really sad is that it used to be that actors and actresses would harness their innate insanity into the imaginative world of the work of art. And now it's bled out and they're treating the entire world as their canvas, as their kind of performance. And it's not persuasive at all.

And it really might destroy Christopher Nolan's Odyssey. It was unclear who she's going to play. Wait, one second. Before we get to the Odyssey, I just want to say one of the thing about, like, so this business about the LGBTQ animal world, the truth is, literally no one on earth has given that any thought whatsoever. No one is walking around like, are animals gay? Are they queer?

Where do I find the gay penguins? Are those two lesbo kangaroos? It's not a thing. Only people who look like Ellen Page. and are so unconvincingly trying to convince us they're the opposite sex, are thinking about such a thing. So now there's been a lot of negative reaction to this woman having a role in The Odyssey as some sort of, you know, strong male figure.

There was a report that she was meant to play Achilles. That apparently is not true. She's playing some other character, who I guess isn't even in the Odyssey, but is in some other ancient story and has been. written in. And in the context of, I think, promoting that, she went on something called Democracy Now, gave an interview with them on June 24th and said the following about people who don't like trans people, all right? It's all about the fact that she's trans, not that she's a woman and not convincingly chosen to play a strong male ancient figure. Here we go, Sot 8. And what do you say to young

people who feel the way you do. Just to know like that you're not alone and loved and celebrated by so many and try and block out the noise from, you know, absolute vile losers who must just be so profoundly uncomfortable with themselves they can't handle that someone could get to a problem. place that I think, you know, that, you know, trans people do get to, which is a level of self-acceptance and understanding that I think is really beautiful and profound. So it is the critics of this transgender ideology who are profoundly uncomfortable with themselves, Michael. The lady doth protests too much, me thinks. Is that, I think that's a, is that from a play? I think that's from a play.

It's really sad watching and listening to her in this state of mania because she doesn't look healthy, she doesn't sound healthy, and she doesn't look happy. You know, this is the real problem. Not at all. So you look at old pictures of her when she was a lady, and she still is a lady, but, you know, back when she was openly so, and she looks happier, you know, and now she never looks happy.

She's pretty, pretty girl. And I'm sure she has experienced all sorts of trauma and psychological distress and all the rest. is probably lettered to this. But notice she has to immediately project and say, no, no, it's the people who criticize transgenderism. They're the ones who are deeply uncomfortable. And I'm slightly uncomfortable because I ate a lot of hoagies over my weekend.

And so my, you know, my pants are a little tighter now. But in terms of my identity as a human being, I'm not uncomfortable. And normal people are not uncomfortable. That's the defining feature of having a normal view of identity. And it either doesn't occur to them or they don't want to admit, that some of the criticism of transgenderism, in fact, a lot of it, comes from a place of charity because we all know that you're not doing well. We all look at the statistics. We all know that the rates of depression and anxiety and suicide do not decrease after the transition. In the case of

anxiety, it looks like they actually increase. We have eyes. We have ears. Yeah. Let me show you one other. This is her in 2019 talking about Jesse Smollett. Tell me if this is a woman. We have a media that's saying it's a debate whether or not, what you're not? just happened to Jesse Small. It is a hate crime. It's absurd. The s's not a debate. I agree. I agree. In terms of connecting the dots, in terms of what happened the other day to Jesse, I don't know him personally. I sent all of my love. Connect the dots.

This is what happens. If you are in a position of power and you hate people and you want to cause suffering to them, you go through the trouble, you spend your career trying to cause suffering. What do you think is going to happen? Kids are going to be abused and they're going to kill themselves. And people are going to be beaten on the street. I have traveled the world and I have met the most marginalized people you could meet. I am lucky to have this time and the privilege to say this. Okay, except he was a race hoaxer. And she's one of those sick young women who takes on other people's problems literally as her own and is completely distressed

over something she's seen in the news, which was obvious bullshit. And somehow at some point thereafter convinced herself that cutting off her breasts would make things better. And clearly, Michael, it did not. Well, hold on, Megan, you're telling me that the lady who thinks that she's a man has a skewed perception of reality. When she's connecting the dots, she's connecting to places that don't really exist? Yeah, of course. What's also sad when you listen to that kind of commentary is she accuses the other side of hating people. And that isn't real. You know, that, I mean, obviously some people, you know, it's a fallen world. People say nasty stuff. But the left hates the right, much more than the right hates the left. And this is borne out by social scientific data.

This goes back to the death of Lindsey Graham. And we especially saw this after a radical leftist murdered Charlie Kirk, and then a lot of the mainstream left dismissed it and in some cases celebrated it. And so they're projecting it onto the other side. And if I were them, if I were these people who are, who really are angry all the time, who really are consumed by a lot of hatred, who would celebrate the murder of innocent people on the other side just for their politics or what have you. If I were them, rather than looking at the other side of basically well-adjusted conservatives, rather than looking at it with envy and hatred and all the rest, couldn't you just look at it and say, hey, maybe I should be like that.

Maybe I should learn something from them because they seem better adjusted than I do. Look at it as inspo. All right, we'll have to table the Supergirl discussion for another day because we got carried away on Mitch McConnell, of all things. Michael, thank you. Coming up, we'll have Jack Posobic

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the live stream basically cut out for everybody who was watching, but for us, you know, there's no stream. It just kept going. And so this was the compilation video that had been played before. but the exhibit that they played before was the raw video only. So that compilation of Tyler Robinson walking around the stairwell once in his red shirt and shorts, once in his black, his second costume, sort of his assassins get up, his sniper get up, whatever you call it, where he's black.

That's the one where he's walking with the limb. And the biggest difference here is that in the raw version of this, it was not zoomed in when it got to that sort of wide angle shot of the parking lot. I think there's two, and there's two angles of that. There's one that really shows the walkway across to the Losey Center. And the other one sort of just shows the parking lot and the cars and the other side of the roof. And later on, we've all seen that video because it was released earlier where he's running across, he drops down, he's got the gun, and then he runs across the, there's like a lot of,

lawn and a hill there and he runs basically across the street what we saw in court this is the video of him just running across the rooftop so essentially what we saw was actually this angle but a few minutes prior to this so this is the same angle this is what you see although the quality here is not as good as what we saw in court and that's why i keep pressing for all of these videos to make public because again What they showed on that screen in court is so much clearer, both on the stairwell videos and the rooftop videos, even on the, I guess it's a digital zoom in. It's so much clear. And I just have to explain that to everybody over and over. That's why the raws need to be put out.

Even the video is showing right now, this because I know it came off of a screen and it was recorded off another screen and et cetera, et cetera. So there's just that loss of quality from all the details that you can see in the video. that when it's being played on its raw version without all the compression there for the listeners we're watching the stiff-legged Tyler Robinson walk into the complex with what appears to be the gun down his pants but keep going jack of course and so the the really big thing that you see when it's zoomed in uh when so at first you you can clearly tell that it is a black plaid individual um the timestamps line up to exactly when he gets to the top of the stairwell that individual.

And if you go back to the first officer's testimony on the very first day, he walks you through exactly what you see on the video. But the difference is now you're watching it for yourself when it zoomed in. And it shows him come up to that guardrail, that student guardrail that was already there. He climbs over it.

Then he goes down into kind of a crouch. and at that point, I started actually timing it because that's when we're told that he was assembling the rifle. And so I start timing it, you know, 1,000,000, 2,0003 cuts to a different angle. So I'm not sure if that kept the time or not. But when it cut to that different angle, what you see is that he gets up, he runs across the roof, he gets down in a prone position. And again, you look at the timestamp,

you can see exactly what he's doing in that prone position. You see the barrel of the rifle go out. And I'm sitting there just saying, you know, it's 1222. And I just keep, I was trying to will it to not get to 1223 for some reason. Because I mean, because we all know what happened to 1223. And you see the moment the shot is fired. you see him get up. And that's when the run across the roof occurs.

And it's that run, of course, that's already been released. And I just have to say that sitting there in the courtroom, watching the moment the shot is fired with Charlie's wife, with Charlie's mom, his dad sitting right there, it was a moment that made me very angry. I was very upset watching that because it was like watching Charlie get killed all over again. But now you're seeing the other side of it and realizing that the individual who all the evidence points to DNA, everything, is sitting right there, right in the room. And he looked away, Tyler Robinson looked away when this was played.

And I checked with some other people in the courtroom to verify this, but his table monitor, they have table monitors as well. His table monitor was turned off when this was played. He didn't even watch. Couldn't bear to see himself do it, but was full of bravado in the moment and in the days and hours thereafter, as we see in those text messages. You know, I guess grandpa's rifle were just fine. That scope was only $2,000. He was, yeah, he did his job.

was not feeling the same. But what was it about when you saw him go down? So he crouched, we assumed, to assemble the weapon. And then did you see him go on his stomach in a prone position? Yeah. And then also did you, like, what about what happened next told you he fired a shot? So you see him run across, it gets down in the crouch. And he is, he's prone for quite some time.

You know, obviously watching it's very emotional. To me, it felt like he was down for minutes. But, you know, I think it was probably less than that if you actually look at the clock. But the experience felt like it lasted hours to me, just watching it. But I would say, I've described it as like a flinch. It's not as much recoil as you would see. So when you're in the prone position, it's done to maximize accuracy and to minimize recoil. That's the entire point of the prone position when you're firing.

And so it seems as though there's a flinch from the barrel and sort of through the body. And it's after that point, which occurs again right at that same time stamp. And it's right after that that he gets up and runs across. I mean, would you liken it to what we saw on the judge when he watched the moment that Charlie was killed? And I believe he was watching Charlie. You saw that tape or you might have been in the courtroom in that moment where the judge, you know, the shot hits and he flinches. It's, I would. And just for me, I just remember kind of gripping the chair.

as hard as I could and just clenching my jaw. And, you know, I had my rosary in my hand. A lot of people had rosaries out. A number of people turned away. It was very hard to watch. You shocked Jack, that this is on tape? I'm shocked to hear it. I'm shocked to hear there is tape of him actually taking the shot.

And I know people who don't think he did it will say, well, of somebody, whatever. I mean, I'm with you. The evidence is overwhelming that somebody was Tyler Robinson. They've got timestamps. They've got him identified by his boyfriend as being the man in the video, especially in the dark outfit and so on. We've got video of what we know was Tyler Robinson in Tyler Robinson's car arriving earlier. It's just his DNA is on the rifle, all over the rifle, actually, all over the ammo. I mean, it's just, it's overwhelming.

So, but I am surprised to hear that there is a videotape of him actually taking the shot because in all the videos that had been released, We had never seen that or still shots. We had never seen that. That's the most relevant salient video of all. It really is. And I struggle to think of, you know, you think of the great, you know, like the famous assassinations of the past or, you know, go back to like World War I and, you know, France Ferdinand or, you know, even, you know, obviously JFK and Martin Luther King, you know, we never actually have photos of the. of the individual, at least, you know, as far as I know, video of the video of the shot being taken. I'm trying to think if there's even one where you have something like that.

And it was it was so much worse than watching a movie. And I think that for people who think that, you know, watching, oh, you know, I've seen something like that in a movie or like a Mark Wahlberg movie or something, it's like, this is a million times worse. This is this because you know what's real and because you know what happened to a human being and because of the amount of planning and the amount of of premeditation that went into this is a struggle to even think of how to define it as other than watching an act of pure unmitigated evil. But you're just watching a purely evil act being taking place before your eyes and it was captured on video. And you, by the way, I had no idea if anyone else was standing behind Charlie or behind that, you can't see behind that banner. So I mean, you know, if you missed, people were obviously all

around children were all around had no idea if anyone was behind the banner and he just did it anyway and he he chose to do something like that and it's it's it's it's it's truly evil it's just truly evil to see what do you make of the very strange reaction to your reporting because you came out on friday you and i were texting you posted online and you gave an interview to charlie's old colleagues at turning point andrew and blake and immediately we had like backlash. It was strange, Jack, like backlash to your reporting. There is a podcaster named Brandy Ciciliani who posted the following on X. I was in the courtroom today. There is no high quality zoomed in footage showing anyone taking a shot. The video shown is the same distance

as the footage of quote Tyler, his name is in quotes, jumping off the roof shown in this screenshot. I have no idea why people are claiming otherwise. They know the video isn't going to be released publicly. So they're misrepresenting what was actually shown in court. And then she takes aim at Benny, who was also there, Benny Johnson. Benny is making it seem like there's a 4K quality video of Tyler pulling the trigger. And we all know that is absolutely not true. So what did you make of her and some others taking issue with your testimonial?

Well, what's amazing is the fact that we have this video at all. And if people are going to split hairs over whether or not we can actually see a finger, you know, in the trigger well and pulling the trigger, I mean, it's, it's, you've completely lost the plot at this point. If that's the level you're going to, the idea that we have this video that it exists, that is one of the most stunning moments, one of the most impactful moments in modern history, the murder of Charlie Kirk, the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the fact that this video exists at all is something that should give us all pause.

I mean, it speaks to, it is a video that, number one, should be released. And I don't know why they're saying it shouldn't be released or that I think it won't be released. I've been calling for it to be released since day one. But this is a video that will be played throughout the decades, throughout the centuries, because of how impactful and how historic it is. It's just a piece of history. And for the record, we've been fighting for, I didn't want it to be released by this. I've been fighting and saying that all of the evidence and all of the live stream should be out publicly.

And I think that ultimately, you know, people can see it for themselves. They can go and watch it. And, you know, do I wish the quality were better? I mean, of course, I wish all videos quality were better. But again, I mean, that's, you know, you're asking for something that's beyond. It's surveillance video. Right. The point is that exists.

It's surveillance video. We're lucky it exists at all. Right. Anything. And some people who refuse to believe that Tyler Robinson did this have been saying for quite some time. Oh, but there's no video of the actual shooting. Oh, it's so convenient how they only have them running across the roof. And then we actually find out there is video of the actual moment the shooter drops down and pulls the trigger.

And still they won't accept it. I mean, it's just we're never going to get through to them. I don't even really care about them, to be honest. I just think, and I want to know your opinion as somebody who sat in that courtroom all week, to me, the evidence is overwhelming. We never have this much evidence. To me, it's so, it's so overwhelming. It shows that Tyler Robinson did not care at all about getting caught.

He did next to nothing to cover his tracks. Well, I mean, it's, it beggars belief that he thought he would do this, again, with his own cell phone, with his own car, with shoes. that he's known to wear with a hat that he commonly wears, these hurly hats that are readily identifiable. I mean, you'd think that anyone who, you know, even to have that a basic, you know, look at criminal justice procedures or, you know,

watch movies or listen to some true crime podcasts. You might have heard a few things. I think, and again, it's just my speculation, but I think that there was an element of wanting the glory. I think there was an element of trying to impress Twigs, the boyfriend here. I think there were a lot of these elements, elements that went into it, to your point, that it was completely premeditated and that he was perhaps

looking for recognition and renown. Again, I've sat there. I haven't said a word to him directly, but you look at these things and it just, you know, you ask yourself, why would he do something that you think in 2026 that everybody knows that they're going to check the car, they're going to check your phone, they're going to check all of these things. And, you know, as far as that video, look, no one's going to tell me I didn't see what I saw. and quite frankly, I wish I hadn't seen it. And I wish that none of this had happened because I hate all of this. But it did happen.

And unfortunately, we are left to do the best we can to pick up the pieces and continue to fight. Jack, you're one of the few people, Erica, Charlie's parents, Don Jr., among them, Benny, who both was in the presence regularly of Charlie Kirk and the man he was. and now this week, this past week, was in the presence of the man who killed him, allegedly. And I wonder, as you see this pathetic being sitting there at defense counsel table, what he looks like to you, what aura he has, what vibe he gives off, like, what you feel when you look at him? Interestingly enough, it's almost like there's no aura. When you ask about that, it's almost like a negative aura, like a negative aura, like a negative aura,

like a black hole. Just like a black hole of hollowness, emptiness, like there's nothing there. And, you know, to not react when you see some of these videos or hear some of the audio that's been played because they did play the audio

of Charlie being killed in and the shot ringing out in the courtroom at full volume. Even if they didn't show the video, and I'm sure you've seen the video, that I just, I don't know how you don't react to something like that. And, you know, refusing to acknowledge the presence of his parents when they showed up who have been completely sewn-faced and, as far as I can tell, you know, keeping to themselves, they seem like good people.

And, but Tyler as well, it, as far as I feel about it, it's, I just, I can't believe that he's sitting there and Charlie's not. that he's sitting there on the first day was laughing in front of us and that Charlie's gone and that Charlie's never going to come back and that you know I'll just put it this man Megan when they played that video initially speaking I was I was not in a good place what was the reaction inside the courtroom of Erica and Charlie's parents incredibly emotional just that I would say when they played it, so there was no audio on this particular compilation, because it's, again, a surveillance video, which typically doesn't have audio. And the room was as silent as a tomb.

You couldn't even hear people breathing because I think people were holding their breath. And then when that moment came up, you just heard gasps, sobs, um, uncontrollable tears from a lot of people. And it was horrible. They just,

the people's reaction was just horrible. It's something, it's, I know you said this is the most disturbing thing you've seen, you've seen since we all saw the video of Charlie actually getting shot. I can understand it because there is something about knowing, just as you said, in the moment, you know, like it must have been excruciating leading up to that 1223 as the seconds are ticking by. You know what's going to happen, but you're watching him, gearing up for it.

Everyone knows what's about to happen except for Charlie in that moment. You know, it's like just the dread and anticipation to try to stop the clock and undo this horrible event we've all been living with. And when he was walking up the stairs, I was, you know, because it's, it just seems slower to me. I don't know if they played on a slower speed or it was just the emotions of it but i was sitting there and you know thinking like because he's walking by all these students right there's there's some students in the parking garage there's some students in the stairwell and i'm just thinking you know somebody stop him just just somebody just step in front of him or or trip him or do something somebody do something you can't let him do this and of course

course, you know, it's, you know, rationally, obviously I know what happens, but it's that, you know, that part of me that wanted this to never happen just sort of took over. And I'm, I'm finding myself trying to like, will him to trip or have one of these other students just brush up against him. So maybe the, you know, maybe the gun falls out and history takes a different path. I wonder, I've often wondered what these other students who we see in that surveillance tape think when they see themselves passing by Charlie's killer alleged on the stairwell moments before. As the tape says, it's exactly 30 minutes before. I'm sure it's so chilling for them and their parents that they could have. As you point out, this is one of the reasons why it's a death penalty case is that all their lives were in danger that day. He could have missed. He, he, what if he had missed on the first shot? There would have been more shot. that it was such a crowded field. He had absolutely no compunctions about the children who were there, I mean, little kids who were there with their parents as well as college students.

He had only one thing in mind, and it appears to have been his trans furry lover, who is a lot sicker than that videotape he put into evidence would reveal. That's one of the topics for the second half of our show today. I'll give you the last word, Jack. No, I just want people to know that this, like, I'm not interested in trying to win some online debate or something like that. This is about getting justice for what happened, real justice.

This is about what evidence is being shown in court. And we have to remember that this happened. And we can't act like it didn't because, unfortunately, we live in a world where there are people willing to do this, and there are people who are willing to do this to so many other conservatives. They keep trying to do it to Trump. They've done it to a CEO in New York City. And they will not stop.

And if we don't actually confront this assassination culture, the violent political left that is getting absolutely feral, then they will come for every single one of us. Today's the two-year anniversary of Butler, Pennsylvania. Yeah. And President Trump, almost the victim of an assassination attempt. to Corey Corrie Comparatory dying in that same incident to others being shot and all but forgotten by the media, which wants to write them off as like non-existent. And then a year later, we would all be down with Charlie in, was it San Antonio? Where were we now?

For the Student National Summit of July last year. Where was it? Tampa. Tampa. Yeah, yeah, Tampa. That was a year ago, Jack. We were all together one year ago. With Charlie, it's just hard to believe in some ways it seems like another lifetime ago.

And at that point, he had two months to live and we had no idea. So I'm with you. Over here, we'll be sticking to reality, to facts that are provable in court under the rules of evidence, which have been established for a long, long time to ensure fair and just trials in accordance with the principles of due process. Well, and Megan, actually, if I could throw one, one tiny thing out is where's the alibi? If this isn't Tyler, where's the alibi?

Just show me the alibi that says that he was not there. Where was he? What else was he doing? I mean, I understand how the burden of proof works. But again, it's a simple common sense question. If he wasn't there, where was he? Where's the alibi? And I said, I tweet over the weekend.

I totally agree. Where's the cell phone evidence on his side? Showing it, like, if I were innocent, if you wanted to see whether Megan, Kelly was at UVU on September 10th of 2025. I would turn over my phone and you would see exactly where I was. Exactly. You'd know exactly what my emotions were that entire day.

Where's that? It's in the hands of the prosecutors and it doesn't help him at all. It shows, according to the, actually there was a lawyer who went online and actually found the search warrant application that was submitted in this case. It was, I'll find her name. but she did a great breakdown of exactly what it showed. Yeah, it was Andrea Burkart. She's phenomenal.

And it showed he had a Google Maps route stored on his phone. It started at 12.46 p.m. So 23 minutes after the shooting on 9-10. It started near the Mountain Shadow Shopping Center seven minutes from the crime scene. Destination was the quick quack car wash on North State Street in Oren. Investigators then pulled records and videos. from that car wash showing Tyler Robinson's 2013 Dodge Challenger with their same license plate as Tyler Robinson's arriving at 1257 p.m. The Google Map route and footage line up with Robinson at that location.

A second route was stored at 133 a.m. on 9-11. So overnight, heading into overnight from the day of the shooting Wednesday into Thursday, starting near where his rifle was recovered and running straight back to Tyler Robinson's home address in St. George. There's no question where he was. He was there. and there's going to be more details than that as we get the full prosecution case. I got to run. Jack, thank you. Thank you.

See, now I'm thinking, why did he get his car washed? I know, me too. I have no idea. Maybe there was something that he thought was on it that was somehow incriminating. Maybe he got the inside cleaned and he was looking to get rid of gun powder, you know, gun residue that he thought might have been transferred from his clothing onto the doors and so on. You and I don't know, but I guarantee you the cops and the police do and the prosecutors do. Seems like what do they call that. It's called that a loose thread.

Yeah. They're pulling on it right now. We'll see you soon. God bless, Megan. Thank you. You too. Up next, we've got James Fitzgerald, and we have been asking him, former FBI, as you know, and he's a linguist as well. We've been asking him to look at the Tyler Robinson alleged texts and letter communications and his behavior in court.

and he has a lot of thoughts about what might have made this relatively mild, seeming kind of normal. I don't know if normal's too strong, but like not that flashy, not that interesting character turn into what's going to be one of the most infamous assassins in U.S. history. He's got thoughts. We'll get into him next.

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He's a criminal profiler and retired. FBI special agent and co-host of the cold red podcast. He's also a linguist, so has made the study of language part of his business. Fitz, welcome back. There is videotape of Tyler Robinson and his mother. Just a few years ago, it was, I think, when he graduated from high school, and he had just gotten news from a university of his admission. And they made one of those videos of like, wow, you did it. And here it is. Okay. Congratulations. You have been selected to receive the resident presidential scholarship from

Utah State University. The value of this scholarship is approximately $32,000. This scholarship is available for four years or eight semesters. There he was. Apparently, he received a perfect score on the ACT. He had straight A's. He only lasted one semester at that university and then left. and wound up at a technical college learning how to be an electrician. There's nothing wrong with being an electrician. I'm just saying it was somewhat of a reversal of fortune, clearly. We don't know what happened. And we certainly don't fully understand yet how that young man turned into an assassin. So what do you make of it, Fitz?

Well, Megan, first of all of all, it's good to be back with you again, always, of course, on some kind of a, you know, sad topic here. But it's really a toxic influence of a lot. lot of things. And I'm looking between, I don't even like using their names, but the shooter and his lover, Lance, this toxic combination of substance abuse, of gaming, and no doubt pot smoking, tie that in with substance abuse, alcoholism. And these game room, these chat rooms associated with the gaming, as well as other, no doubt, very negative orientations. chatt rooms that it just creates a perfect storm over this. I used this term before, lost generation.

I didn't originate that. It was a bunch of authors and novelists 100 years ago. But now it's these, not all Gen Z people, but there seem to be late teens through late 20s, just an ignorance of the basic rules of society, of morality, where death is the answer to everything, because that's what happens in their games, of course. and then their character comes back to life, you know, minutes later. And I'm not going to blame necessarily bad parenting in this case. The shooter's parents turned him in, you know, within 48 hours or so.

I'll give them some credit there. That video you just showed, I mean, I guess that's a proud mom. Other proud moms do things like that with their kids. But what downward spiral, what catalyst, what epiphany struck this eventual show? shooter in his life, in his prime, to then begin this downward spiral, which resulted in, again, pulling the trigger on a rooftop and killing Charlie Kirk. I don't have all the answers. I hope, as part of his sentencing, he's willing to do not only a psych avow, but before he's probably going to be executed, if convicted, that whatever's happening with the Long Island serial

killer, who's agreed, but it's part of his sentencing to, in fact, be interviewed by my former colleagues in the behavioral analysis unit. I would love to see an end-depth interview of this person and maybe to scratch the surface of what turned this guy from quote-unquote relatively normal to a stone-called assassin. What do you make of the language, Fitz, because this is right up your alley that he uses in these alleged texts where he talks about how I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I took it. This is the letter that he wrote to Lance Twigs and that was burned but found, well, Twigs had taken a picture of it, which is how we know it was in it. And then they found the burn remnants in the trash can of the kitchen. I don't know if I will have

succeeded, but I had hoped to make it home to you. I wish we could have lived in a world where this did not feel necessary. I wish I could have stayed with you and lived our lives together. I lack the words to express how much I love you and how very much you mean to me. Please try and find joy in this life. I love you always, Tyler. And he also says at the top, I left the house this morning on a mission and said an auto text, I am likely dead or facing a lengthy prison sentence. He may lack the words to prove his love for Lance, but he went out and did something that afternoon to try to prove it, which of course, was a murder of Charlie Kirk.

I was surprised by the kind of almost casual stream of consciousness utilized in these text messages. Sometimes you see them much more emotionality involved or anger or vitriol of some sort. But these were not quite contemporaneous to the shooting itself, but I think within 12 or certainly 24 hours of the shooting. And barely, he is, IRL, as the young say, in real life, is uncharted territory for the shooter. He didn't comprehend, he clear didn't comprehend the long-term scope of his actions and what he was about to undertake. He thought about it short-term, certainly the pre-offence behavior is suggestive of that

and everything he put into it, getting grandpa's gun and engraving the cartridges, whatever. But he didn't think of the long-term part, as you were saying with your earlier guest, with his phone and his car and knowing that there be surveillance video around and wearing clothes that everyone will recognize them in. But the casualness and the just the just the way that he came across to his lover Lance is almost like, hey, this is no big deal. I've done it for you. You know, let's do burgers tonight for dinner. Would almost be like a fitting ending, you know, a phrase or clause to these text messages. So. Yeah, like I was saying to Jack, he says, judging from today, I'd say grandpa's gun does just fine. I don't know. I, DK. I think that was a $2,000

scope. So irrelevant to what had just happened. So I'm meaningless to what had just happened. I mean, we get the context that's put in, and he's probably not lying there. It was probably a decent scope. And the rifle, unfortunately, did its job. But the point is to have that kind of a conversation with someone who's your lover, someone you spend some time with. But it was a symbiotic relationship in which it seems both of their strongest negative aspects to their lives just fed off of each feather. And it seems like towards the last few months from everything I've read about them and heard about these two, they were kind of isolated, not so much dealing with other people.

Not that the other people they were dealing with on these chat rooms were prized pigs to begin with in terms of their ideology and what they were a spanishable. housing, certainly in the trans movement and others. But it seems like they really isolated themselves in those last few months. And when you only have an echo chamber of one other person and your thought processes are negative and the same violent, immoral, some people will react as the shooter did and will take out those types of actions. But it's just a combination, like I said, a toxic formula of everything that could have been

wrong in this generation. And I would like to look more into the parenting of both of these guys, but certainly our shooter and see and see just what kind of permissiveness, just what kind of parental relationships he had. They were both the black sheep of the family, supposedly, meaning the shooter and of course, Lance. By the way, I don't say shooter's names. I think you know that about me. But killers names. But in this particular case, you know, they were the black sheep of their families. And yeah, what what led to this downward progression? But yet, when they communicate with one another, it seems almost normal. It seems like a regular, you know, pick up milk on the way home, you know, from work, something like that with these casual text message.

And of course, the letter left under the keyboard. All pre-planned to, to some degree, the letter was. And just one last conversation with Lance. I'm looking for like, I'm looking, James, for like something more about what it tells you, like, if you were looking for this shooter and you had these text messages, but you didn't know who they were from, you didn't have an identity. And you're sitting at the FBI trying to come up with a profile of who is this guy? He sounds, you kind of said this a second ago, kind of dead inside. Jack Posobit just told us there is no aura around him in the courtroom. It's like a black hole. Like, what would you glean from these texts? What would we be looking for? Would you be shocked when it turned out to be this guy? And that was what I normally had to do

in my FBI career is look at anonymous text or emails or postings of some sort. You know, Tom Wolfe coined the term social x-rays describing a certain subclass, you know, in New York City. I would call a guy like this and made me throw in Lance too social vacuums. They just, they are just dark, empty vessels of people. And yeah, they interact with each other. They have emotional. They have emotional. for each other, but it seems the rest of the world just, just they're shut off to it and they're shut off with any type of reality there. If I was looking at this from an anonymous perspective, I would I would say, well, this person is very matter of fact, very, and knowing that a shooting just occurred, and this is our likely suspect, even without a name, I'd say this person is very well,

he has his emotions under control, he has little caring at all for the, for the victims of this. And as you mentioned with your earlier guest, the possible other victims, including small children, if there were a few rounds that missed or went through and hit other people behind Charlie, I would probably put this person somewhere on the psychopathy scale, meaning he's a psychopath. It goes from zero to 40. I'm not here to do a psychoval of them. I'm sure the defense team will do that. That'll be part of the defense somewhere they're going to add into that at some point. And he may be on there to some degree. He can totally. with society, everyday stuff going to work, doing his trade work, whatever that was.

But when it comes to him getting this personal hung-up feelings about what is offensive to him, as well as his lover, he just had to go on this mission. And this mission is what took over his entire life. It does make you wonder if he hadn't met Lance Twiggs whether this event would have happened because I'm not excusing anything that was done here or giving him an out. I'm just saying, let's be real about the downward spiral that happened in the year or two years after he moved in with Twigs in 2023. They became roommates. The other roommates had split.

These two were in a very unhealthy relationship that was characterized by excessive drinking, at least on Twigs' part. The report that we got from this guy who goes by Turkey Tom on YouTube who was contacted by someone's, saying that they'd been an intimate friend of theirs and provided pictures of what he says was inside the apartment was that it was near alcoholic levels of drinking on the part of Twigs who was taking off a black market H-R-T hormone replacement therapy for women. Those are women's drugs trying to grow breasts, doing weird experiments inside of the apartment with mold. This is directly from, again, he goes by Turkey Tom from his report.

Let's take a listen to a little bit more of what he said about what was, The conditions, what were the conditions inside the apartment? I had another magic night at the end of January. I'd get to Lance and Tyler's place, and he'd be super wide-eyed with either a loopy grin or a rictus grin, like the joker, depending on his mood. The nest came back full force, and Lance started living downstairs full-time again.

This is a picture of a kind of cleaned-up version. Imagine this type of mess, but denser and all over the living room and kitchen counters. He'd either be doing this, or his experiments, or talking with chat GPT day in and day out. He hardly ever slept. The experiments got scarier too, like jugs of water with a whisk full of aluminum foil that had two copper wires coming out of them.

The water was clear one day, and at some point, I think the wires got plugged into the outlet, because the water turned brown, and the aluminum foil was pretty burnt. He also started leaving little papers around the house that he had scribbled on while doing that giggling thing. It's at this point that our leaker here sent an extensive set of pictures he'd taken

of the state of the apartment and the notes Lance left around. First is an image of their magic table, completely vandalized with garbage that mostly resembles electrical stuff, which is odd because Tyler was the one in an electrical apprenticeship program, not Lance. All I can think when I see that fits is how dark and almost demonic a place to live day after day. Yeah, and I, um, these guys played the game, uh, Dungeons and Dragons. And I first learned about that during the Unabom investigation because some people thought the Unabomber may be somehow involved in that, but carrying it out in real time in real world world actions. And who knows what took place in that apartment and with all these type of devices and experiments going on, which, of course, the Unabomber did too, mostly outside of his cabin in the woods.

So perhaps there's some similar mindsets here of these isolated people, even if it's just two of them, and a few guests every once in a while. But their brain just gets addled again from this toxic formula and I talked about earlier. And they just feel the need to do all these types of bizarre, incoherent type of activities. And they only work to worsen the other person with whom they're associating. and bring up the fact that Charlie Kirk's coming to town and allegedly what he would say that, you know, violated the trans community and their belief systems. And then all of a sudden, all these experiments,

just like with the Unabomber, having read all his internal documents, we found in the cabin, it just got him more angry and angry about where society was going. In this case, we don't see too much of a difference there with these two. But it was very, very focused in one particular area, get the gun from Grandpa and then go on this mission. Again, Dungeons and Dragons related. What is the, is it self-aggrandizement?

The, you know, some hate can't be negotiated out, you know, just like he's going to step in. He's going to take care of this figure, you know, because he's just too hateful. What is that? You know, I've worked many investigations besides Unabom, but that taught me so much in the law enforcement community. One of the few books cited by the Unabomber in the manifest. was the true believer by Eric Hoffer. And he does go and explain the kind of these kind of movements that people get involved in and the kind of people that join these movements and for what reason.

And I'm not going to say, you don't have to read these books or read, you know, true believer to understand this. But it seems there's something in human nature with disassociated, dissatisfied people, insecure people, that they turn into this fanatic. And it can be very sort of pencil thin and into one particular. category of life and they're living through personal insecurities and dissatisfaction. They're craving some sort of a need for an enemy and they just, they find it, they identify with it and you have this bizarre behavior, you know, besides that going on. And it just leads to

this, they found this enemy, Charlie Kirk, what can we do? Oh, that's what my father or grandfather has this gun somewhere and he has to, and he gets access to it and gets up on a roof. You know, no doubt copying from a year before, was it a year before? Yeah, I believe so, with the Trump assassination, the anniversary being this weekend, of course, and just finally, hey, if that guy could almost get away with it, let me try this thing too. So there's nothing original with these folks usually in their modus operandi, but they do it anyway. Let me ask you a follow-up on this, on Hoffer, on Hoffer in the concept of a fanatic. Is there something about like, you're sacrificing yourself in Hoffer, you know, like, because he's like, oh, I'll either be

dead or heading for a lengthy prison sentence, you know, but I had to do it. Suddenly he's got a mission. Suddenly he goes from being this absolute loser with a disappointment, I'm sure, to his parents, given the grades and all that, to this, like, no nothing with a trans furry. He's calling himself, they, them. They're immersed in this drug, nonstop discord, gaming culture. like, is this the resurrection, you know, in his mind of, like, himself as some sort of hero? Yeah, the Phoenix. Yeah, and Hoffer makes it very clear. They're craving for self-sacrifice.

By sacrificing themselves for an impossible cause, they mass their own perceived failures and shortcomings. And I just quoted Eric Hoffer there. And that really, I think very well from everything we know publicly, that would define our shooter in this particular case. And from when his buddy Lance too. So I mean, it's, again, that this is part human nature, part of how we're all, you know, evolved over the years and the millennia. But, you know, Hoffer put it in writing, Unabomber liked quoting him. And he was, of course, a fanatic in some ways, as, as Hoffer pointed out, and he felt that was important enough to cite. These guys probably never, well, they may have heard of Eric Hoffer. I don't know. They were studying stoicism, I understand, you know, in the last year or so

before the shooting and getting into some of these ideologies down the line. So who knows what they how they came across some of these concepts. Let me ask you in the minute we have left, Fitz, forgive me for interrupt, I'm just short on time. Would you, like if you had a parent who fell in with a kid like this twigs, who was already vulnerable potentially on the autism spectrum, maybe you'd seen signs of psychopathy in him earlier. We don't know the full story of Robinson's background. Would you intervene and say, no? hard no, you're not living with this person. We're not allowing this. Well, I'll tell you what I wouldn't do. I wouldn't pay their rent. I mean, they're over 18. I guess you

couldn't stop them from living with someone else. But I wouldn't pay their friggin' rent, Megan, because it just, and I understand that's what both parents were doing, or I think at least Lance's parents were, and that was certainly helping out the others. So I would do everything in my powers to dissuade them. If there were any guns I knew of in my life or in my extended family's life, I'd also make sure they're locked up and no way anyone would have access to those. So, yeah, as a parent looking back, I have so many friends who are parents, I am, and there's just no way a kid I know could get this screwed up without a lot of influences from there. I'm sure the parents have many regrets.

Fitz, thank you to be continued. You're welcome. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show, no BS, no agenda, and no fear.