The Megyn Kelly Show - Media Smears Asians and Muslims After Supreme Court Ruling, and Violent Riots in France, with Mark Steyn and Darren Grimes | Ep. 580

Episode Date: July 3, 2023

Megyn Kelly is joined by Mark Steyn, host of The Mark Steyn Show, to discuss the hysterical reaction from the left and the media to the Supreme Court affirmative action decision, the media pushing the idea Asian Americans actually weren't discriminated against before, NPR claiming it was actually white people who were pushing Asians to file the lawsuit, MSNBC host and former Biden administration official Jen Psaki claiming white Republicans are tricking Muslims into being anti-trans, Muslim parents in Maryland protesting the inability to opt-out of LGBTQ curriculum,the DeSantis campaign getting pushback from the right after attacking Trump over LGBT issues, what's behind theriots in France, and more. Then Darren Grimes, GB News presenter, joins to discuss whether the violent French riots could be spreading soon throughout Europe, British conservative politician Nigel Farage getting "de-banked" over his political views, climate activists clashing with LGBT activists at a Pride parade, the Department of Defense pushing a trans military member in PR efforts, the decline in military recruitment, what July 4 means this Independence Day, and more.Steyn: https://www.steynonline.comGrimes: https://www.youtube.com/@DarrenGrimes_ Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Later today, we're going to get to these violent riots happening overseas. What a time for France. I just left there. All hell broke loose. So we'll get to what it means and how it may dovetail into some of the things we've seen in our own country over the past few years. But we begin today with the fallout from the U.S. Supreme Court's rulings last week. It continued over the weekend with some hysterical press reaction related to affirmative action.

Asians were apparently never being discriminated against, according to the mainstream media. It was just the evil white people who led them to falsely believe that. It's always great to talk to my friend Mark Stein, host of The Mark Stein Show, which is available everywhere and on stein, S-T-E-Y-N, online.com. Mark, welcome back to the show. Hey, great to be with you, Megan. Great to have you. So it's so crazy when you read the reaction to the Supreme Court saying affirmative action will be struck down. Race based admissions policies are contrary to the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution. And the left reacting with there was never any discrimination.

It's just the evil white people who led the Asians to believe that. Before I play you some of the soundbites, let me read you what at least one honest writer in The New Yorker said explicitly. All right. So they've already given up the game. Some lefties have already admitted, yes, we've been doing it. Here's the truth. Saying the evidence the plaintiffs had amassed that Harvard in particular discriminated against Asian applicants through a bizarre and unacceptable, quote, personal rating system is overwhelming. And indeed, that's true. I mean, the court laid it out in great detail how they'd been using personality scores to get rid of the Asians to say in the same way they used to do with the Jews. This time it was they had too many Asians who were above the grade. They had to find some way of telling them they didn't qualify for admission and they use their personalities to get rid of them. So, you know, if you'd replaced Asian with black, these same leftists who are now disputing that New Yorker piece would be outraged. But now, since it's Asian Americans who benefited and arguably blacks who didn't, they've got to push ridiculous narratives like this one

from NPR. Listen to this, Mark. There is no evidence that there's a practice of anti-Asian discrimination. Predominantly white conservative political forces are leveraging this experience of being racially marginalized among Asian Americans to say, yeah, and by the way, there's this policy that you're not benefiting from. I feel like Asian Americans have been used. The myth ignores the long legacies of systemic racism faced by Black Americans. It ignores selective recruiting of highly educated immigrants, and it enforces a false story about Asian Americans who are not a monolith. That is their latest position,

that they were basically smart enough to get into Harvard, but too dumb to realize that they were just political pawns of the whites. Yeah, I can't get over the naked racism, actually, about Asians here, because this whole personality thing is like, oh, yes, they're very brainy. They're awfully good at mathematics. If you hold a math contest, a train is approaching at 57 miles an hour and another one's coming towards it at 38 miles. Yeah, I got it. They're

fabulous for that. But let's face it, they're totally boring. I mean, this is basically I can't get over that. This is like the old racist gag from however many decades ago. You know, all Chinese look alike. All Chinese have the same boring personality. But they've gotten away with it in the interest of this absurd, complex, progressive apartheid that's been erected in this country. And the NPR story is fascinating where they say, oh, yeah, these Asians, they're all very brainy when it comes to these math questions, you know, the grade school math question. But they're actually patsies, they're rubes, they're d professor at Duke University ran the numbers on how it would go if they had meritocratic admissions at Harvard. In other words, if they didn't grade you on your

boring personality, 51.52% of the student body would be Asian and 36.54% would be white. That's how it would go on meritocratic admissions. So this attempt from the rubble of the Supreme Court decision to reconstruct a coalition of the minorities, actually Asians on a meritocratic business, according to this study from Duke University, would have actually the majority of places at Harvard. Right. Of course. I mean, that there is something in the Asian culture, which is to be admired, that dedicates itself, that in which parents, rich and poor, are committed to education, to studying hard, to pushing academics. That's to be applauded. I mean, I've talked about this with Amy Chua many times who wrote Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother. She's the original tiger mom about how she's committed to this. She teaches at Yale Law. So does her husband. She has two daughters who went, I think,

to Harvard and Yale and same with respect to their graduate studies. And I'm just not willing to push my kids that hard. You know, I have a different approach than she does. That's fine. Right. That's fine. It leads to different results at the college level if they're not coming up with these false justifications, as you point out, that the Asians are boring and therefore can't get into Harvard. And but now the line has to be it can't be that the Asians actually were pissed off about this, Mark. It has to be the evil white man exploited them yet again. It's the whites fault. Yeah. The stupid white guys who would only make up 35 percent of the student body nevertheless are wily, cunning enough. This comes back to the Asian personality defects

are so bad that they don't even know moronic white men whose IQ is a fraction of theirs are pulling the wool over their eyes. The thing about this, I find it, my kids, you know, who went to a little New Hampshire grade school where in each year there were between like nine and 17 students, not a lot of them. But all the kids throughout Northern New Hampshire, whenever they took part in these, I think it's called mathletes, these math competitions, they'd all game it out beforehand and they'd say, oh, wait a minute, we're playing some school down from southern New Hampshire, where it's some fancy town where all the rich

parents have adopted Chinese babies, so they're going to win. And the whole thing was that, oh, we haven't got, we've got somebody, we've got no Chinese people. So we're screwed. The school down the road has got a kid whose mother is is Asian. So they're going to do better than us. They made joke when they're seven years old. They're making jokes about this thing. And you notice it. You know, this I was walking down Wigmore Street in London a couple of months ago, and I suddenly noticed that on all the posters for the classical music recitals at the Wigmore Hall, everybody who's playing a cello now in any capital city around the world appears to be Asian. As you say, that's one of those disciplines that Asian parents value, teaching their kids to play chamber music, while we're teaching them that there are 57 genders or whatever it's up to now. It's not hard to figure out how it's going to go. You look at the international rank.

There's a reason for this. And the racism here, the naked racism, which appears to say, oh, yes, these guys have fantastic big brains. Yes, they can play the cello brilliantly. Yes, they're multiplication skilled. But let's face it, they all bore the socks off us. They've got away with that for the entirety of the 21st century at American universities. And it's absurd that it takes, you know, nine judges on some court to tell them, actually, this is totally racist and you shouldn't be doing it. Right. The answer now from the left is it's not our racism that was keeping them out of Harvard. It was their stupidity in not realizing they were being used by the white man to pursue a case that that they lost when they brought it in the name of a white woman, which is true. They

had a white woman who sued and she didn't get as far as they did in this case. The facts were all there. Here's the thing. It's part of the pattern, as you know. It's not just the left trying to run cover in the wake of this decision by saying the white man screwed over the asians and the asians just didn't get it you've got people doing this to blacks who are conservative from the dawn of time we pulled this soundbite from ellie mustel who uh writes for the nation and is an msnbc contributor talking about clarence thomas who he absolutely loves to hate because clarence th, he you know, he's an Uncle Tom. He's been called that. And so they do the same thing to blacks if

they're conservative. Here's an example. But he is such a mutilated version of a black justice that he is able to make these proclamations that just fly in the face of law and facts. Right. One of the other things that you really realize when you when you read through his make these proclamations that just fly in the face of law and facts, right? One of the other things that you really realize when you read through his concurrence is just how angry he is at Katonji Brown Jackson for having the temerity to be another black person on the Supreme Court. He apparently thought that he got to be the only one. He basically throws a tantrum at Jackson.

And why? Because Jackson is making the actual originalist argument in the affirmative action case. And that's why he's so fabulous about all of the stuff that's in his concurrence. He's just like plucked out his own eyes and he doesn't wanna see anything that Miss Jenny tells him he shouldn't be able to see. Oh, there it is at the end. His white wife is pulling the strings on this black justice. You get it? That's fine to say.

Yeah, yeah. So like the black man is so stupid that it's his dominatrix of a white wife who's running everything. And likewise, all these brilliant Chinese classical musician math students are actually no better than the Chinese laborers working on the transcontinental railroad 150 years ago. All the arguments that are made in favor of what is actually now a more complex system of apartheid than South Africa had, but it's progressive apartheid, so it appears to be cool with people.

But they all basically make the case that these minorities are too stupid, so that you can't have voter ID when you go to vote in an American election because it's racist. Why is it racist? Well, because blacks are too stupid to get ID. They can get ID if they're in Botswana. They can get ID if they're in Kenya. They can get ID if they're in Rwanda. But funnily enough, in America, it, they're too stupid to get ID. Or I have no idea. With respect to Clarence Thomas, I didn't read that as an angry judgment. In fact, given what he's been through in American life, he's actually one of the, I would say that one of the, he has a calmness and an equanimity that is extremely rare given what he's been subjected to. This idea that once you're in your identity box, you can only be one kind of person is

actually one of the most racially condescending and revolting ideas. It's a terrible thing, this whole apartheid thing. The 14th Amendment is a great thing. We should start treating people as individuals again. So that black guy may be a genius and that black guy over there may be a totally disreputable slug, but the color of his skin has got nothing to do with it when it comes to the law, when it comes to Gurney University or to anything else. They're citizens, which is a concept in almost terminal decline in this country. The nerve to suggest that Clarence Thomas has to answer to Miss Ginny for his opinions as if she is driving anything Clarence Thomas does.

I mean, it's absolutely outrageous. Anybody else would be fired for such a comment, but you're allowed to say that stuff about Justice Thomas. No, I mean, it's absolutely revolting. I was at some event with them a little while back. They seem to be actually a very nice couple. He's not the guy he's portrayed as. I mean, he's got this, you probably know this, Megan, I he's got this. You probably know this, Megan. You've got this fantastic, huge laugh, the laugh of a man who finds something genuinely funny. He's not applauding. It's not the laugh you hear from a late show tonight show audience where it's a phony laugh, applauding yourself for holding the correct attitude. It's a great big bear laugh of somebody who is taking genuine pleasure in life's great comedy. And the idea that he's bitter or angry or all the rest of it. I must say, I always love having him in the audience because he's the equivalent of the guy holding up the cue cards saying, please laugh. If you've got Clarence Thomas there, you can make something.

Yeah, you can like something that it's not terribly funny, but he roars with laughter and it starts off the crowd and sweeps it all up to the back of the far balcony. He's the opposite of the way of the stupid cartoons that the left creates of its enemies. They're no relation to how they really are. It's that sense of humor that's probably gotten him through all these years on the Supreme Court. You'd need it. Third and also equally stunning example of the left doing this comes from Jen Psaki at MSNBC. She now has a failing Sunday TV show over there. No one's watching in, I think it was Maryland and another state come out now, same as many white people and many Catholics

and many Christians have in various states, to protest the exclusion of parents from the agendas in these schools, which are becoming more and more radical on the LGBTQ issue. And so Muslims most recently came out protesting in Maryland. And you could go back a long ways to find out why Muslims object to the LGBTQ agenda, the way it's currently being taught in particular. But that's not how Jen Psaki, formerly of this White House, the spokesperson for Joe Biden, sees it. Listen to this drivel. The GOP is trying to recruit Muslim Americans, a community that makes up less than 2% of the U.S. population, against another tiny, marginalized group of Americans, transgender people. It's

important to remember that back in 2011, during their Republican primary, the right wing had designated Muslim Americans as public enemy number one. No surprise, given that conspiracy theorists, remember the birthers, I do, had been trying for years to portray President Obama as a Trojan horse for Sharia law. Now fast forward eight years and the right wing has focused their fear mongering on trans people. And who better to go after the new enemy than the old enemy? Let's be clear. This is the same old GOP playbook, another cynical ploy to tear at the fabric of our society and damage the idea that out of many, we are one, all because they want so desperately to regain the White House. Whitey is at it again. It's the whites trying to pit the loving Muslims who have

always been pro LGBTQ against the poor trans people. Yeah, I'd love to meet white men like this. They're so cunning. They can. They're one minute. They're duping the poor old Asian math genius into doing their bidding. Next, the fire-breathing imam from the local madrasa. They just seem able to hoodwink everybody. They got the imam out of his marching at the pride parade to instead go over to the school board protest meeting. How did they do it? Yeah, no, I remember just a couple of years ago, Justin Trudeau up in Ottawa, he wore Muslim socks during the gay pride parade. And I said, whoop-dee-doo, why don't you wear the gay socks at the Muslim parade? This is what you might call, if you were Karl Marx, the internal contradictions of diversity. Anyone who knows

anything about Islam knows that it's not in the least bit keen on homosexuality, and they pass laws in a lot of countries actually giving you the death penalty if you're caught at it. And the idea that they would be, this particular last Pride month, where it's all been sort of intensified and accelerated, there's a fantastic clip out there on the internet that some young Muslim lad recorded in a Calgary schoolhouse where the sort of progressive teacher is rebuking them for not coming to any of the pride events. She said, well, we went to all your ID events for Islam.

So we were there for you. So why aren't you coming to all the LGBTQ events? And the Muslim kids start laughing and she rebukes it. She goes, it's not a joke, Ahmed. It's a fantastic moment because there is actually, and it's interesting to me that it's happened actually all across the map this last, this last pride month. They're not going, they're not going along with it. And if you know any, and if you know anything about it,

like the most tolerant liberal cities in Europe, Amsterdam, suddenly they had an epidemic of gay bashing and all the gay bars started closed down. The gay pubs in the East End of London have closed down. Now, why would that be? Might that be something to do with the internal contradictions of the Rainbow Coalition? I mean, this idea that it's the white man manipulating it, I would imagine that the average white guy, he's looking at the Muslims in Hamtrak in Michigan, where there's a fantastic, hilarious piece where when the first Muslim council in America was elected in that town,

the Guardian ran a column saying, oh, we were all there for you when you got elected, the first Muslim council. We thought this was brilliant, a great victory for diversity. And now you're saying you refuse to fly the rainbow flag. Oh, my word. I never saw that coming. Diversity in the historical in the big picture, diversity is just an interim stage, you know. And if you when you're up against people who are serious, as opposed to believing all the Diversity is just an interim stage. When you're up against people who are serious, as opposed to believing all the pretty prancing

unicorn myths, you understand that diversity is generally just an interim stage. Well, and as we just discussed with the Asians, with what they do to conservative blacks in America. This is another diminishment of Muslims in America as you're just too stupid to realize you are being manipulated. You can't have a genuinely held belief. In this case, I'll tell you what it's actually about. That's getting them to protest. But whatever it is, you're not allowed to have it. It's just the white man convincing you you feel that way. So let's dig a little deeper on what they're at, what she's actually reacting to. You have hundreds of Maryland parents protesting in Montgomery County, which is very blue. Why are they mad? What actually drags a parent out on a weekend to protest? It has to be a lot. Parents are busy. They've got jobs. They've got kids. They don't really have a lot of time to

protest, but they did it on Tuesday outside the Board of Education meeting because Maryland's largest school district will not allow them to opt out their children from books and lessons that have certain LGBTQ lessons that they find objectionable. Maryland state law doesn't allow the opt-out provision unless it's a specific unit on sex ed. And this isn't technically sex ed. They've folded it in under English language arts curriculum. And these parents think it's inappropriately sexual and has messages with which they do not agree when it comes to trans people. And so they're going out there saying, you can teach what you want. They're not saying you have

to shut down the lesson plan, but there are kids and we should be permitted to be able to opt them out. And the school says, no, you can't. Your kids will sit there. In fact, the quote from the president of the district's teachers union is as follows. Students must have texts that reflect the many identities people have. They must. You may not opt your child out of those texts or the lesson plans and so on. And so they came out to protest. Similarly, they did the same in Dearborn, Michigan, not long ago. And still, this doesn't get covered on its substance, a debate about whether the parents are right or wrong or what's in the text. It gets covered by MSNBC as the white man is evil and manipulative, Mark.

Yeah. Yeah. And and in fact, this is again, this ties back to what we were talking about with why 52 percent of the student body at Harvard would be Asian because this is a complete, I'm really the last person to ask about this, uh, Megan, because, uh, I, I went to an English boys school and we were expected to pick up all this, uh, sex stuff in our own time. You know, they didn't really care what it was we were into, but they didn't think it was something you needed to teach in a classroom. They thought the classroom was there to teach you arithmetic and Latin and biology and all the rest of it. And if you wanted to learn about various sex acts, which is a lot of what these so-called

textbooks are about, you were supposed to pick it up behind the bicycle sheds during recess and not expect teacher to know anything about it. And so we have completely inverted the principle of education here to the point that it has become, I don't think it's an exaggeration. I mean, I'm absolutely astonished by the sexual explicitness of some of these books because it's teaching what used to be regarded as fairly abstruse sexual practices that anybody who is remotely interested in them, that interested in them, should be able to find out about on their own time. And the idea that you actually teach it to seven-year-olds, eight-year-olds, this is actually a form of

child abuse. It's the sexualization of childhood. And apart from anything else, it's contributing to the great moralization of society. We're wasting our... Basically, if you... I'm relaxed about high school and university, but if you screw up K through eight, the kid up till, you know, 12 or 13 years old, it's virtually impossible to recover from that. Even if you keep it in school as Joe Biden wants to do until grade 27, grade 32, whatever it is. The fact, the fact is if you screw up K through eight, which is what all this rubbish is doing, it gives you a huge divide. I mean, it's not difficult to figure out who's going to rule the future. We're teaching our kids about obscure niche boutique sex acts,

and the Chinese are teaching them mathematics and chamber music. Not difficult to figure out who's going to win on that one. And you know what? In that Maryland, in that Montgomery County, Maryland protest, indeed, these controversial books were for every grade level, including kindergarten to fifth grade. And that's where the curriculum was the most controversial. These parents are being told, you must let us have access to your kindergartner with this kind of material.

And the parents are saying it's a no. I'll leave you with this and then we'll squeeze in a quick break. The sub headline in that NPR article we were discussing about all the poor, dumb Asians is really smart and really dumb at the same time. Sub headline is the promise of proximity to whiteness and power has radicalized some Asian Americans on the right. This is what they say about people. Same thing with blacks who are conservative. You're power adjacent and women who don't go along with the wokeness. We're power adjacent, you see, because we're close. The men need us.

So we're just basically pandering to the men going along with like there can be no agency for anybody who's technically in a minority or targeted. No, we're all just rubes being forced to go along with the cis normative hetero white patriarchy that controls. That's you, Mark. That is you, sir. Give you the last. Yeah, it's it's like a fancy restaurant where you can't you're never going to make it to the best table, but they'll find one that's adjacent. You'll be like power table adjacent. And that's- That's right. And you'll sell out your friends who are back by the bathrooms just to move up a little. That's the theory of life on the left. All right. Mark Stein stays

with us. A lot, lot more to get to, including what's happening in France and what's happening with Hunter Biden. We'll get to all of it next. So, Mark, what the heck's happening over in France? I understand it. It started with police pulling over a 17 year old man. I think they, I'm, I'm trying to remember his exact heritage, but of Nigerian or Moroccan descent, Moroccan, I think. And, um,

he was shot. They shot him and he, and fatally after he had run a red light and failed to comply, allegedly when they told him to pull over and the thing escalated. And now it's, it's turned into several days of fiery, violent protests to the point where Macron had to bring up forty five thousand cops in France, which is a big number there to finally get some sort of peace going. But it's still it's still been pretty violent. Now, I mean, like they have protests in France a lot.

The history of the country is to do this kind of thing when you're unhappy. But it's extraordinary even for France now. And, um, this sort of gets at the heart of what's happening in France in, in some other ways with the immigrant and in particular, the Muslim community there that in large measure has not assimilated. And there are resentments over that, which are now taking part in some of the news coverage. So what do you make of it? Well, I love France. As you know, I had a heart attack in France and the French medical system saved my life. I was within 15 minutes of death, the very charming Provençal nurse said to me. So I'm very grateful to France and I would regret if

the French state were to collapse. But you have these, what they call the lost territories of the Republic, which are these suburbs where they warehouse the immigrant communities, as you say, mostly Muslim. And basically the writ of the French state does not run there. And when these two sides, the French state and then Les Barneliers, the immigrant ghettos, when they intersect in bad ways, as they did with this 17-year-old boy, these guys are bussed out of there. And they're now the totality of the French cities. I think that was the Place de la Concorde we just said. So that's the most heart of tourist France. The Champs-Élysées, the great fashion street, they're going down there.

They're looting. Those shops are all boarded up. The president has had to cancel a state visit to Germany. And the view on the right is that this stuff is spiraling out of control every time it happens and that eventually it will consume the whole country. Now, the left, on the other hand, feel it's all the stuff you hear, systemic racism and all the rest of it. I was interested in all the celebrities who jumped in on the side of this 17-year-old who got shot in Annecy, which is just south of Geneva, about 40 minutes south of Geneva. Four toddlers were stabbed by a Muslim immigrant in a park there, a beautiful park. I was in it myself not so long ago, standing there looking at the lake, looking at the Alps behind the lake on the far

side and thinking this is about as far from the woes of the world as you could ever get. But it wasn't. Some guy comes in and he stabs two and three year old children. And it's interesting to me that that doesn't galvanize the media, that doesn't get the celebrity class wanting to weigh in on things in the way. So we're awfully selective about what matters and what doesn't. And that in itself is causing a whole level of cynicism among the French people. Well, now the left is trying to use this incident to sort of say the French are racist and they've got a racism problem that they now finally have to address. The U.N., the U.N. weighs in, Mark, with the following, calling on France to address its, quote, deep issues of racism and discrimination in law enforcement. The U.N. is in no position to lecture anyone on anything relating to morality. But this is the new narrative that France and its cops are racists

and not looking at, you know, actual behavior by, in this case, a law, a lawbreaker. I don't know why he needed to be shot or whether he didn't need to be shot. We'll, we'll figure that out, but that's a law enforcement investigation. And not so much, as you point out about, for example, what happened with this with these rioters who actually seriously hurt a suburban Paris mayor's home and wife. Listen to this from the BBC. Attackers in France tried to set fire to the home of a suburban Paris mayor's home overnight, firing rockets at the official's fleeing wife and children. The wife, the mayor, Vincent, was not home, but his wife suffered a broken leg and a child was also hurt as she ran with her two children, ages five and seven, from the home.

And then they were attacked by the mob with firework rockets. The mayor came out and called it an attempted murder of unspeakable cowardice. How this is not the headline anywhere is a mystery to me. Instead, it's about what a racist country France is. Well, the French police are not in the least bit racist in the sense the UN means. I spent a lot of time in that terrible year, whatever it was, five or six years ago, when the truck mowed down all those people on Bastille Day in France and when the priest was decapitated as he was saying mass. And it was a terrible year in France.

And I went to places I wouldn't normally go to. And I was very interested in the police. A lot more of them, of the police officers, are black and Muslim than you would expect. That was one of my first impressions. The second impression is that they were completely stressed out at being on a kind of permanent red alert, trying to hold the lid on the powder keg. And there was a slightly absurd... I went to San Fepe and on the nude beaches there, there's all these... I was there literally one week ago.

Yeah. And it's all very nice. And people are lying there on the nude beaches, nude. And then there's guys in the full Robocop patrolling among them with machine guns. And that is the... And for me, when I think of Saint-Tropez, it's like always 1967 and Brigitte Bardot. And so I'm trying to wrap my head around this new look Saint-Tropez. And that's the problem. There's a contradiction here. The cynics at the top level of the French state think you can hold this. You can keep these people in these awful barns, which are absolutely terrible, ugly, the ugliest public

housing, I think even uglier than Cabrini Green or whatever in Chicago, terrible, lifeless, soulless places. But the French make the point, well, the Portuguese and the Spanish lived there in the 50s and 60s, and they managed to bust out of there and get themselves a better life. So it's not our fault. And they can't hold the lid on this. Because as you say in that story of the attack on the mayor's wife and the mayor's children, when the bloodlust is up, there are no restraints here. Hmm. You know, it's just a part of a bigger problem,

right? They've had mass migration into France. There is a large community of people that refuses to assimilate. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has written an entire book about what's happening, not just in France, but other European countries. There's resentment at not the different color of the people coming in, but at their refusal to adopt French culture. If you want to move to France, then then act like a Frenchman. You know, you cannot force your values and morals about the way women dress and so on on us. And it's festering now. And this is just one way in which it appears to be manifesting. It's dark. We'll see. I will say one other thing. Elton John, who just publicly announced, I guess he's not going to come to the United States anymore because of our LGBTQ policies

here. We're not left enough for him. He was fine partying with Macron. He doesn't care. Like, I guess the police shooting, that's fine. That's where he doesn't draw the line. And Macron, like a dope, went out and was caught on camera partying with Elton John while his country was burning, which is just a stupid ass thing to do, Mark. No, absolutely pathetic. The thing I quite like about Macfarlane is that he's not a man of the people. He stands on his dignity. He thinks he's Monsieur le President de la République and you have to treat him with the appropriate dignity.

And then he's just like this pathetic little fanboy over Sir Elton. Oh, I've got to get backstage and have my picture taken with Elton, which I think was, I like this is, who was it he fell out with? Dolce and Gabbana, when he fell out with them. He had some big falling out with them, and he kept it up for about two weeks. And then he was seen in dark glasses, surreptitiously slipping into the Dolce and whatever it was, whatever Italian store it was. And I think that's how his boycott of America is going to be. Because I'm sure.

Yeah. And his co-writer, Bernie Taupin, lives in the United States and keeps writing all these songs like Philadelphia Freedom. You know, so half of Elton's catalog is going to be singing show tunes for an hour and a half in the evening if you eliminate all the songs of his that aren't praising America. I mean, I was at Rush Limbaugh's wedding where Elton John performed and Rush wasn't exactly a leader of the LGBTQ community. Elton seemed to cash the check and have no problem with it. And I predict that's how his future

activism in this lane is going to go as well. If there's a willing participant to pay for the tickets, he'll be there. Okay, let's switch and spend a minute on domestic politics here in the States because everywhere over the weekend, I don't know if you saw, but everywhere was this ad promoting Ron DeSantis as this culture warrior fighting the LGBTQ agenda and calling out Trump for being more sympathetic to the agenda. My understanding is this is not a DeSantis ad, but his campaign war room retweeted it. And thus it's been hung around his neck. So far, it doesn't seem like Team DeSantis minds. Here is we can play the whole thing. It's only a minute. Here is the ad, the bit that's causing all the controversy. I will do everything in my power to protect our LGBTQ citizens. If Caitlyn Jenner were to walk into Trump Tower and want to use the bathroom, you would be fine with her using any bathroom she chooses.

Is that as correct? In the future, can transgender women compete in this universe? Yes. Make America great again. Psych! Okay, so now for the listening audience, they're showing clips of DeSantis comparing him to Christian Bale's American Psycho, looking like Tom Cruise in Top Gun, The Wolf of Wall Street, The Real Wolf is Here. I'll do you the

favor of not playing you the whole song because it is impossible to get it out of your head after you listen to it. And now, Mark, we have even some on the right, like Rick Grinnell, who's a Trump guy, log cabin Republicans who are gay Republicans who have sort of formed a group. And I think they're also pro-Trump. But they're calling this extremely and utterly homophobic. Team DeSantis doesn't seem to think so. What do you make of it? Well, I think Trump is vulnerable on this because when he's with an audience,

he generally wants them to like them. So if you put him in front of a gay audience, he'll be saying things to them that are pro gay. The the Caitlyn Jenner line about he didn't care which bathroom Caitlyn Jenner used. I think that is a you know, he didn't foresee that that was going to become the dominant issue so that we're all going to be talking about transgender bathrooms when the mullers nuke us. That's just the way our politics has become because the left has decided it's in favor of abolishing biological sex, which is a huge thing.

And it's actually bigger than whether you get a cut in capital gains tax or whatever. It is something that should be discussed politically. And the point for DeSantis is that he's had huge success with this in Florida. So he's perceived as someone who can be opportunist on woke issues and it gets results for him. What I find more, what I find interesting about DeSantis is the last time I checked the, you know, poll of polls at Real Clear Politics, he was averaging, I think, something like 21 percent in the poll of polls, which is 30 and 40 points behind Trump. Yeah. Which is incredible to me because he is

I mean, all the other guys, you know, Asa Hutchinson and Pence, these guys are jokes. They shouldn't be running. But DeSantis ought to be a credible character. And I can't, in that sense, it must be depressing to his guys that he's down there at 20%, as you say, 30 or 40 points behind Trump. What Trump had in 2015, when he came down that escalator and he started talking about Mexico not sending its best is he was actually talking about, you know, to people all, you know, if you go 50 miles in any direction from where I am right now, well, not 50 miles north because you'll hit the Quebec border and things are rather better up there.

But you'll see towns that are totally depressed. The mills have closed. The factories have closed. There's guys that you can't move out of there because you're underwater on your house because you bought your house for 300 grand and it's now worth 120 grand. And your daughter does the night shift

at the quickie crap. And your son runs a meth lab because, frankly, that's a lot more interesting as a career. And Trump spoke to all those diminished, demoralized, screwed communities, the forgotten man, as we would have said 90 years ago. And this, what's happening, he's best when he does that. And this other side of him, which is basically the metropolitan Manhattan liberal who went to Hillary's wedding and all the rest of it. Yeah, he doesn't care about gays. He doesn't he doesn't care about race. I mean, he he lives on Fifth Avenue. Do you think he's never met a homosexual? So obviously, that's not a big that's not a big deal to him. But I know Rick Grinnell is a homo. Rick Grinnell is the openly gay and was the first openly gay

cabinet member. Yeah. And actually, I think he used to open in those days, Trump used to open his rallies with Elton, whom we were mentioning, singing Tiny Dancer. And I said I was trying to work out because he had Andrew Lloyd Webber from Phantom of the Opera and he had something else there. And I said, I've worked out what it is. I said to him backstage. I said, this is all music by tenants at Trump Tower. And he congratulated me.

Yeah, that's true. Andrew has the penthouse, and I think Steven Spielberg is on the floor below. And that's just how he is. He doesn't think about these things because he's in man. You can't walk down that street. You can't do business in that town without being relaxed about that stuff. And I think it's different for Ron. What Ron DeSantis needs to do, I think, I'm surprised he's just at 20%. But he hasn't sort of fused all the wokery into some kind of larger vision. You know, I'm concerned about the woke. I mean, basically, I'm concerned because Western civilization is sliding off a cliff and we're all going to land in a big heap of rubble at the bottom. But if you're going to go there, you have to sort of connect. Oh, did you see this wacky woke thing that's in the paper today? It's not enough to do that. You've got to connect it to a larger vision of what the underlying thing is.

I feel like Trump hasn't really been asked about this. You know, at that pointless CNN town hall, she wanted to spend the entire time asking about the 2020 election and stuff that liberals want to hear. And there was nothing for the conservative audience that does have these concerns. It would have been interesting and newsmaking for her to see where he stands now on things like transgender bathrooms.

Trump hasn't really had that put to him. I, you know, I haven't asked for Trump and I've been asking for DeSantis cause I've never, I've never talked to DeSantis, but I have talked to Trump and I'm going to ask for Trump. I'm going to ask for Trump too, because I'd love to go over some of this stuff with him and see whether his position has evolved as my own has. In 2015, if you were going to listen to me talk about bathrooms, you would have heard very different messaging than today for the very reasons you just outlined, Mark. Yeah, no, I think I agree. I, well, my view on my view on it has, has also changed mainly because the only people I ever knew who were transsexuals, as we said back then, were in showbiz. And it seemed to go with the kind of heightened reality

of show business. And so I thought of it like that. Now, when I see sad middle school girls transitioning into boys and having their breasts amputated and putting up pictures of them with their scars on the internet, I think we're witnessing some vast human tragedy here. I don't care about Caitlyn Jenner. Caitlyn Jenner's rich enough to survive whatever is going on. But these poor middle school girls across America are not. Yeah. And Caitlin's been fighting on our side on these issues. But I think Caitlin would be the first to agree with you that Caitlin can handle Caitlin's own battles. Mark Stein, it's always a pleasure. Thank you for being here.

Always a pleasure to see you, Megan. And happy Fourth of July. You're one of my favorite, favorite rebel colonials. I'm looking forward to it as well. Talk to you soon, I hope. And don't forget, folks, you can see the full coverage of our Fourth of July celebration complete with yours truly and all our friends in costume reading the Declaration of Independence doing other wacky things on Wednesday. GB News presenter, that's our,

those are our friends over in the UK trying to make Great Britain a little bit more fair and balanced. GB News presenter Darren Grimes is with me now for the very first time on the show. Darren, welcome to the show. Megan, it's an absolute pleasure

to be with you. Thank you very much. Oh, the pleasure's all mine. So let me just kick it off with a quick question about France, since you're a lot closer to France than we are, and your take on what is actually behind this, you know, what, five days of protest here? I mean, ultimately, Megan, the death of this 17-year-old guy, if you are told by a police

officer, I'm sure even in America as well as Britain, we agree on this, that if you are told by an armed officer of the law not to drive off in your vehicle, then you should not drive off in your vehicle. And what's happened now, I think the death of this young guy is being used as an excuse to loot, to destroy, to burn, and to steal. And there can be no justification for that much of a breach, a breakdown of the rule of law. Because ultimately, Megan, if you live in France, if you want to live in France, you ought to accept the French way of life. It's the same if you want to live in Britain. And we have a southern border problem in the same way that the United States of America does.

And it all comes down to this fundamental point for me. It's a fundamental failure of multiculturalism across the West. Because, Megan, I don't know if it struck you, but it's an intriguing paradox that France is labelled as some kind of racist hellhole, and that's why there is this level of rioting on the streets today. But if France really is this racist hellhole that some claim it to be, why do we witness a flood of individuals from North Africa and elsewhere flocking to France's shores, to Europe and to Britain and elsewhere. Racial inequality is being used, as I say, as a convenient excuse to engage in criminal behaviour, wanton acts such as stealing, burning and destroying property. Because, Megan, I'm no expert, but ransacking Louis Vuitton

ain't going to solve the ghettoization of certain French communities. So this is an excuse. We saw it in America and the BML riots that went on then, the looting, the stealing, the wanton acts of criminality. It's been used as an excuse in France. The rule of law has broken down, but I'm afraid it leads to the same conclusion, which is that in France, the flood of mass migration into Europe and the so-called multiculturalism and diversity that we're told is all so precious and the strength of our nations, it ain't working folks that's the be-all and end-all and that's where most of the riots have taken place we showed video a little while ago of protesters out by the chants de lise but that's the exception for the most part this

has been happening in those neighborhoods where those immigrants live and you know you know these are not great neighbors I mean we've seen these as you as you if you come into Paris from Charles de Gaulle Airport, you'll see it's crazy the way a lot of these immigrants are living. But France is largely socialist in its policies. It's like, how much more help can there be? The safety net in France is pretty significant. They want more. They want more things from the French people and the French government, but they're not assimilating into the culture there. That's not to say anything about this particular 17 year old, but the divisions are growing. You know, this is a failed experiment of taking just masses from other countries who have really no interest in living comfortably

as French citizens. They want their own culture to start to dominate and the hostilities are brewing, which is behind at least some of what we're seeing. Absolutely, Megan. I mean, I've just watched a video with a group of fighting age young men at sea with Richard Gere. Now, Gere was arguing that we must support immigration to Europe, mass migration to Europe. It's useful idiots, I'm afraid, and Hollywood lovies like Richard Gere that are actually helping people smugglers and causing problems in Britain and in France and the rest of Europe. We here in Britain, for example, like in America, that southern border migration is, well, one, it's illegal,

but ultimately I don't ever think we should be accepting people. And I think France, many people in France feel the same way. It's why you're seeing a rise in support for the likes of Marine Le Pen. Because if you accept someone arriving illegally and say, look, we'll give you everything you ask for, we'll give you your bedboard and benefits. It shows wanton disregard for the laws of our land, and frankly, the ability to disregard law and order. So I say no thanks, and I make no apologies for that, Megan. The British media, the politicians across the left, and most politicians in Britain, if you say things

like this, you are dismissed as being some kind of far-right, swivel-eyed bigot. But actually, Britain has a severe housing crisis. Our healthcare system is allowing many unnecessary deaths because we have a nutty socialist system in Britain, and it cannot cope with the sheer number and volume post-lockdown. And we don't have enough teachers or school places. Britain and France cannot be the end destinations for every single economic migrant. And that's what they are, Megan, that want to come here. And nor do I think actually does the West have or Europe have a responsibility to the millions upon millions of people that would quite like to come to these economies over their host nations, their home nations. So we're seeing these tensions

build up. And I actually predict, and this is an unhappy prediction actually, but I predict that similar things are going to happen here in the United Kingdom as well, because we already see disputes on the streets of London over issues like the Iranian regime. We see in places like Leicester, we see disputes between Muslims and the Leicester Sikh community, for example, who are basically importing disputes from India, disputes from Iran, and bringing them into British life. And we're saying, hang on a minute. If you come here, you accept that you're a British citizen. We don't want that kind of drama being imported into this country. We've got enough problems. There's a reason your culture has evolved to where it has, thanks to generations of Brits who have chosen to live a certain way. Why would you just say, okay, we'll do it your way from your country where we never chose to live. None of our ancestors chose to live.

We've been living under totally different standards and with totally different cultural values. You assimilate to us or go back home. Exactly. Beautifully put. I mean, were I to turn up in the United States of America tomorrow, Megan, and say, look, I'm applying for American citizenship. It's a beacon of hope and liberty to the world. But actually, folks, I'm going to demand on July 4th that you guys accept the supreme governorship of His Majesty King Charles III. I imagine you'd give me very short shrift, Megan, and tell me I can sling my hook. And that's what we ought to be doing when it comes to these kinds of issues. We already have a guy over here who's trying to do that. His name is Prince Harry.

Oh my word. He attacks our First Amendment every week. And says that you need a king? Yeah. Well, he hasn't gone that far, but he says he doesn't understand. He thinks the First Amendment is bonkers. He's suing all the press. He's demanding our paparazzi return over their property, their photos of him to him. He doesn't get it. So yeah, we and don't have any regard for the British way of life or the French way of life, and actually just want to stir up trouble and resentment and demand more and more. actually, we'd like to keep it pretty good. And we're seeing those tensions start to tear away at the social fabric and actually the constitutional fabric in certain regards, for certain respects. And basically, Megan, look, if I was in charge, I would say, you can't speak the language, you come here illegally, you have no regard for the law and order for our way of life, then sod off, if I can use a British expression, because we have absolutely no time and no place for you. And we're full, frankly. We have no places for your children. We have no places for the translators required for you to

come here and be able to apply for certain things because you don't speak the language. It's just a farce, Megan. And it's the really powerful lobby that say, the UN do a lot of work in this issue, try and berate people into being told that they're bigoted, they're racist, they're resentful. I dare say that famous Hillary Clinton line, actually, of being a basket of deplorables. That's what you are if you actually argue that it's a really important key tenant of protecting nationhood and the nation state, that people coming here to your nation damn well respect the laws and customs of said nation. And I just think that's not happening right now. And Douglas Murray wrote about this in 2017. He was writing about the strange death of Europe.

And I think those chickens really are coming home to roost. And it's very depressing, Megan. I feel utterly despondent about it. There's danger in you even speaking out about it because we have newspaper articles today telling us that somebody else who's been outspoken about these issues, Nigel Farage, is getting frozen out of his bank accounts. We've seen reports here and there of this kind of thing happening in the States, though it's the exception, not the rule.

PayPal tried to crack down on certain groups that had the wrong opinions, and they said it was a big mistake, never mind. But this is a mystery, what's happening to Najla Faraj, the leader behind Brexit. Brexit happened a few years ago, but he seems to be suffering some sort of retribution for it. That's what he claims. The bank that's kicked him out in terms of all of his commercial accounts, which he says are the

only ones that matter to him, his personal account is irrelevant to him, hasn't provided an explanation for why they suddenly cut ties, not just with him, but with his entire family. Darren, what's happening? It is extraordinary because actually the parallels between Brexit and the Trump revolutions are, I think, pretty stark because ultimately there are a certain very large, very powerful part of the United States press and media that will never ever forgive Donald Trump for securing victory. They will never ever forgive the parts of the country that voted for him. I'm from a working class area in the United Kingdom. I dare say, were there a President Trump, we would have voted for him in the same way we voted for Brexit. And there are certain

pockets here, exactly the same as there are in America, that will never, ever forgive us for that. Because it was the one time, Megan, that we said to them, look, we're not going to bend to the liberal left establishment demands to actually vote to stay in this sclerotic European bureaucracy. And as you say, Nigel Farage was at the forefront for many years, as long as I've been on this planet, actually, at the forefront of that debate. Now, the banking groups that he's been with since the 80s, you know, that cold-hearted bombshell there, informing them that they're closing his accounts. As you rightly say, even his family members have fallen victim to this banking purge.

Now, it's not rocket science, right? Both here and in the States. Without a bank account, functioning in the modern world becomes as improbable as finding a straight heterosexual male on a television advert, Megan. You know, it's not just Nigel and his family that are feeling the sting. We've had political parties and guess what they all have in common, Megan? They back Brexit. All struggle to actually secure bank accounts. The podcast Trigonometry, Megan, I don't know if you've ever been on Trigonometry actually. Yes, I have. It was a while ago. And as you know, trigonometry,

massively pro-free speech, a big platform that platforms people on the left and the right. Some people who may say things that go against the establishment class and speak things that they don't want to hear. They had their bank account yanked from right under their feet as well. And there's a union called the Free Speech Union in this country. I know America has a similar outfit fighting for amendment rights and free speech protections. We didn't have anything like that until the Free Speech Union quite recently came across. They've helped me out before, actually, for daring to air an interview against Black Lives Matter that I was investigated for under the law for daring to air.

Now, they had their PayPal account held hostage, essentially, until the public actually said, hang on, I'm going to cancel my services with you if you don't allow us to be able to fund this outfit that's protecting our free speech rights. We've seen bank accounts removed, Megan, for saying simple facts like women don't have penises. So it's not just Brexit, it cuts across all of the, I guess what you would call culture war divides, where if you're on the right, if you believe in the nation state, if you believe in the immutable fact of biological sex and reality and all of these things, then hold on tight because you're in for one hell of a ride. I mean, there was a reverend in this country called Richard Fothergill, and he had his just

this week. He came forward in the Daily Mail and gave an account on how he offered his bank account, his banking branch, some polite feedback on the perils of modern day transgender ideology. buying in these banks. You can barely get moved. It's enough to give an epileptic a seizure, this bizarre clown flag everywhere in a banking society. I mean, you sort of think, Megan. It's a lot. I remember the days. It is a lot. I remember the days when banking societies used to care about giving us good mortgages, good interest rates, competing with each other on attracting our custom. These days, it's nothing more than woke virtue signaling. Now, this reverend pointed out the actual really quite dark and sinister side of much of the trans element of this movement. And for saying so, he was told in no uncertain terms, we're closing your account.

He met the disapproval. That was a crazy story. They decided to go to make political statements about cultural issues that they really shouldn't be opining on as a bank. And he, as a customer, wrote them what he describes as a polite letter saying, could you get out of this lane and just cash the checks and cut them? And they said as follows. This is amazing. They wrote that they have a zero tolerance approach to discrimination and that their relationship with the customer had irrevocably broken down. They're not married. This is a bank. What do you mean it's irrevocably broken down? Absolutely. You know, at this point, I'm just saying we're laughing about this, Megan,

but it's actually incredibly serious. You know, wake up point, I'm just saying we're laughing about this, Megan, but it's actually incredibly serious. You know, wake up, Britain, because we are marching into a really dire situation. We're careening, really, towards a Chinese social credit system. If you say something that irks the gods of ESG diversity and inclusion. We saw that video in 2017 of the BlackRock CEO saying that actually we need to force behaviours. Financial institutions, banking behemoths are saying that actually you'll lose your access to bare essentials required for survival if you offend our ESG diversity and inclusion requirements and thresholds. Because they like diversity, Megan, but I tell you what, they don't like the diversity of thought. If you dare breach that and allow your free speech to run rampant, well, you're in for a

world of pain. You cannot function in day-to-day life. For debunking, you will be debanked. And I say we've got to protect our speech. I wish, you know, my heart aches for the kind of free speech protections that the United States of America has. Because, dare I say, Megan, that's the only reason that nutty, doddery old Biden isn't doing the same things that we're seeing in this country today. And that's under a so-called Conservative Party. We're at the tyranny of these banking behemoths. And free speech is in peril not just for Nigel Farage, but anyone that dares go against the establishment consensus and offer opposing dissenting views and speech. Is there an argument to be made that this is a necessary reset, that these banks doing this are really just showing their hand and that capitalism will necessarily lead to the rise of competing banks who are more than happy to take the money of conservatives who exist in your country in very large measure,

the same as they do in mine. You know, there's something about it that is mildly appealing to me. Like, great, thank you so much for telling me that. I no longer want to do business with you if my sincerely held beliefs, which are mainstream, they are maybe not everybody's expressing them. But the majority of Americans agree and Brits agree with what you and I are saying about gender. That if you don't want my business, I don't want to give it to you.

And then necessarily we'll get a conservative PayPal. We'll get a conservative key bank or whatever the bank is. That's at issue. There's something appealing and sort of just more honest about that to me. I understand it could be problematic in the short haul. say, well, do you meet the ESG requirements? Do you meet the thresholds to actually operate in the United Kingdom or the United States even? Maybe perhaps they'll say, you can't actually open something that discriminates against non-conservatives, which is perverse, right? Because they're discriminating against conservatives, but that's okay because we are the basket of deplorables. We are awful people. We have horrible views, like liking the nation state. How terrible. But that's what's crazy. I mean, that's the truth about conservatives is the conservative bank would

happily take the business of LGBTQ. They will take your thought process out of it. They'll go old school. Like all are welcome to bank here. No, we're not going to support, quote, gender affirming care for minors. But that's your business. We're a freaking bank. Absolutely. And, you know, I hope with every fiber of my being that we actually get back to that. But I think in a large way, this is actually going to happen more, perhaps more organically than that? Because I think we're already starting to see a pushback against the trans insanity that's sweeping across both of our nations.

And actually, I think consumers are going to start to say, well, actually, if my bank is pushing these things, then I don't want a bank there. If my bank isn't going to say to Nigel Farage, I'm not allowing you here, and he names and shames them, I dare say there would be a hell of a lot of pushback against those things. But I think the left is starting to eat itself, Megan. So we had Pride in London on Saturday, just gone. And the Just Spoilt Brats or the Just Stop Oil Brigade, they were out and they were protesting against a pride parade because it's sponsored by woke capitalism, essentially, who are all on board with this ESG stuff and aren't actually on board

with net zero, let's be honest. So You've got a gay, a pride parade happening that has a corporate sponsor. I think it was Coca-Cola and the Just Stop Oil activists targeted the pride parade because, not because they were doing anything to the environment, but because they had Coca-Cola as a sponsor. Yes, that is the left eating its own. And they were sponsored by, one of the pride sponsors was an airline. So that was the argument, that if you can take cash from these corporates. But I think that's where it's going to start to be torn down because a lot of the left, I imagine the somersaults going through their minds, the mental arithmetic of which diversity box, which identity box should I care about right now? Should it be the climate Greta death cult? Or should it be the

pride? You know, I'm obsessed with getting into schools and indoctrinating children cult. Hmm, let me think about that. And it must have been incredibly difficult for these left wing deers, Megan. So let me ask you about Pride, because we've just finished. Did you guys have Pride Month in the UK? Oh, absolutely. It feels like it's been Pride, yeah. But yes, absolutely. Because I mean, obviously that was a Pride event, but I didn't know if it was the full

month. So yeah, we're just now over Pride Month, but there's a push up north by Justin Trudeau in Canada to make it Pride Summer. Admiral Rachel Levine, who is a man masquerading as a woman, says it needs to be Pride season. So it's going to go on and on. And I've been asking all along, like, where I if you're a conservative gay or lesbian person, you're not in favor of this nonsense that's going out with the leather and the bondage and the children and getting naked. Like, you know, you're not. But like, where is the gay community to stand up and say, would you stop? Because you don't represent me at all, even if you're a lefty, you know, even if you're a liberal gay person or a lesbian person.

Right. And now we saw we saw a bit of it. There was an LGBTQ influencer named by a name of AJ Sanchez, who came out and had this a little explicit, but you know, I've got a potty mouth, so I'm in no position to judge who had this message for the gay community and these pride events. And someone explained to me why I'm seeing all these pride videos, people in the streets acting like they ain't got no fucking home training, but see, boo, cheat, cheat, she's all out on display for everybody to see. Middle New York, broad daylight,

minors present. Like, since when is that okay, sis? Because it's not. Yeah, I'm not giving royal family by any means, but bitch, time and place. And that was not it. They already don't fuck with us like that,

and this is how you want them to perceive us? Pride is an event based around acceptance and equality, not an excuse for y'all to act a fucking fool. Yes, go AJ! Well said. I couldn't agree more absolutely very well

said i perhaps wouldn't have put it so eloquently as he did and using that colorful language shall we say but yeah i couldn't agree more i think it we're seeing the the chickens come home to roost here as well actually what the left are doing, and it's described often as being a little bit like St. George in retirement. So, you know, the fable of St. George, a great mythology and one that we hark back to often on St. George's Day in this country, where St. George slayed the dragon. But in retirement, Megan, perhaps he longed for the quest of another dragon, but all he could find was sheep and had to kill the sheep instead. Now, that's what these continuity LGBTQ plus two spirit penguins, whatever they are these days, alphabet soup, clown car. I wish the clown car would go off into the sunset and never return again.

But that's what these movements are doing. They want to keep the victim narratives going because that's what keeps them relevant. That's what keeps them receiving dollars, receiving pound sterling, receiving checks and support from corporates and all the rest of it. And it's driving society apart. If you consider the rapid progression of gay equality in both the United States of America and in the United Kingdom, but in both countries, you're starting to see signs where people are saying a red flag, a line has been crossed. You have brought children into this debate. treatments, puberty blockers, which we have absolutely no long-term data to tell us what the long-term consequences will be for perhaps bone deficiencies, brain development, your long-term prospects. We have no idea. We also have no idea how many of these detransitioning episodes,

which we're already starting to see, will become clear over the next few years to come. And parents, not just parents, but many in these societies, in our societies, are saying, look, I was quite all right with Darren Grimes wanting to be free to, I don't know, have a boyfriend or even get married as long as it wasn't in the church. But I draw the line at this idea that we should be teaching gender ideology, this new ideology in schools where sex and gender are being taught to children as being able to switch on and off like a light switch, where young girls, and this is what breaks my heart, Megan, actually, and I dare say, I don't want to put words into your mouth, but I dare say you agree with me on this. Young girls who, and there is evidence to suggest this, may well have autism.

They're going through puberty. They're not happy with their bodies, as many young children who go through puberty. I mean, I didn't like my body when I was going through puberty. Young people are being sold a lie and a promise that actually the solution to fix these issues is to get a mastectomy, is to take these medications, is to do generally irreversible things. And then happiness is just one surgery away. And what happens then, Megan, when people do go through with these surgeries? I mean, I don't know if you saw, but the Bank of England, which is like, you know, our Fed, they actually came out today and said that any gender can get pregnant. This is our central bank in Britain saying that any gender can get pregnant and that they will help people with gender reassignment surgery. And you just sort of think this stuff is absolutely everywhere.

And once that starts to become offensive, I'm just I'm sick of it. I don't want to see one more picture of chest feeding ever. A man cannot chest feed or breastfeed. Whatever is being fed to that child is some bizarre, unfortunate mix of strong hormones. It's not breast milk. Grow up. Stop. Don't work out your mental illness on a baby. And to have that sort of state sanctioning of the notion that a man can carry a baby or get pregnant is offensive to women, actual women, where it's one of the most miraculous things on earth and only we can do it.

A beautiful thing. Absolutely. And the protections for women. I was raised exclusively by women, Megan. I know we might get onto the breakdown of marriage and what that does to society, but I was raised exclusively by women and it breaks my heart to see actually the destruction and denigration of what it means to be a woman, the femininity and the beauty, actually, of womanhood and femaleness. And that's being rendered irrelevant. It's a deeply misogynistic movement, but I also think it's a deeply homophobic movement, perversely, because actually it says sex doesn't exist. And if sex doesn't exist, then being homosexual does not exist. I mean, we had in this country. Absolutely. We had in this country. I've been erased. It's dehumanized and erased me. Well, they're doing the same thing to us.

And if you say that, you're a bigot. Absolutely. You say that you're a bigot. You know, you're not a feminist. You're a bigot. You're a discriminatory bigot. And I reject that. But we had a liberal broadcaster here in Britain, a liberal television network called ITV. And ITV aired a package on the cost of living crisis that's currently reaping havoc in this country. And they actually chose to represent a mother, a trans woman. Now, a trans woman cannot be a mother. Now, they chose to actually... Wait, what do you mean? What do you mean? What did they do? Well, so in a package, in a television package on how this is affecting mothers and those raising children, for example, the cost of living crisis... It was an economy story. infecting mothers and those raising children, for example, the cost of living crisis. It was an economy story.

An economy story, exactly. They chose to air a package with a trans person on motherhood, on what the cost of living, the economy, the rise in inflation, and all the rest of it is actually doing to mothers, they chose to choose a trans woman to actually get across this message. Yes, exactly. A biological man. Absolutely. No doubt about it. And guess what, Megan? This individual uploaded a picture of himself to his Twitter account in which he has a baby cradled in his arms, and he is attempting to breastfeed this child. That man does not have breasts. It is sick. It is sick. It's a sick delusion.

And ITV, this liberal broadcaster, has actually chosen to air, to give a platform to, someone that is trying to do this to a child. If you ask me, Megan, that is nothing short of child abuse. And I think someone should be seriously investigating that sort of thing. No, it is.

But that, and it's exactly why, Megan, that there's this pullback. It's bad enough that it happens at all because that's a man working out his own psychological issues on a baby who actually does need real breast milk or formula, real food from a loving parent. So that's bad enough. But for a television station to highlight it and highlight

him as a woman, a representative of motherhood is completely hashtag part of the problem. It's we're up against so much like they want to look at us and tell us we're bad. We're crazy. We're the ones who need help. They are. I mean, this is a sickness that we're fighting and I don't know where it ends. I really don't. I'm deeply concerned about all of it. Well, it ends in, you know, the Gallup poll, which shows that actually there's a 10-year collapse

in support for gay relationships, in acceptance of gay relationships. That's the United States of America- What do you mean a 10-year collapse? Going back 10 years and saying, you know, we're not going to support this stuff anymore if that's what it means. Are you saying, Darren, that the public support for gay marriage is going down? Is that what you're saying? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it definitely is. And that's, I think, a direct consequence

of the pushing of this dangerous and divisive ideology. Mm hmm. Yeah, no, I wouldn't be surprised that this is the backlash, right? This is why the consequence of the pushing of this dangerous and divisive ideology. Yeah, no, I wouldn't be surprised that this is the backlash, right? This is why the LGBT needs to separate from the T, A-S-A-P. There's a bunch of letters for you, right? It's like it's damaging gay men in innumerable ways, lesbian women as well. The divorce has to take place, but it hasn't. Now, let me let me shift gears just slightly and ask you about something in our news here in the States, which is our Department of Defense has chosen to highlight a transgender

major. It's a man who's going as a woman by the name of Major Rachel Jones and the U.S. Army tweeting this story out that that that's entitled Living Authentically Saves Soldiers Life. They talk about how Major Rachel Jones, again, who was a man going as a woman, is, quote, living her truth and goes on about how this person used to be really wrestling with the fact that he had to hold the fact that he really wanted to be a woman, private. And now, thanks to this change in policy under President Biden, he can live his, quote, truth and let the freak flag fly. He's going to go around as a woman in an army uniform. And the actual men are going to have to walk past the desk with the she, her label and presumably fight alongside this person and do all the things that our soldiers do

without noticing or commenting on the fact that it's a man who is masquerading as a woman. Absolutely. And I dare say, you know, were anyone hoping to be to be highlighted by the Department for Defence. And they said things like what we've just been discussing. They said things that actually men simply cannot become women and vice versa. And actually a man will never be a mother. And all of these quote unquote controversial things to say, Megan, they would never, ever be given a platform because the movement that says it's tolerant and pro-diversity love diversity unless it's the diversity of thought. And it just makes a mockery. Tomorrow, you're celebrating your nation's freedom and independence. And actually, that freedom and independence, my grandfather served

with Americans in 1952 in the Korean War. Now, he was fighting for the values that the United States represent and the United Kingdom represent of freedom of democracy, freedom from communist tyranny, freedom from oppression, when actually now we're making a mockery of the sacrifice that brave, brave men and frankly boys have offered to protect not the United States of America, but to protect freedom elsewhere too. The flag used to represent a beacon of hope, aspiration, freedom, liberty, all of these really important things that aren't just slogans. They mean something. They're tangible. They must be protected, and they have been protected with lives, with sacrifice. And now we air people and say they're brave, Megan. Brave? Are they brave like those boys that froze to death in Korea who had icicles hanging off of their fingers?

Are they brave like the mothers who didn't get to see their children come home because boys were fighting in foreign lands for the values that the United States flag represents. How dare you say that these people are brave? How dare you give them a platform and use the word brave like that? It is not brave to say that you are Arthur one day and Martha the next. Don't be so ridiculous, condescending, patronizing. And think about the position this puts the others in. That's the thing. They're given no choice but to sit there like,

okay, yes, we support, we see, we believe. Meanwhile, they have other things they need to be worried about. This is such a distraction to any person who is part of the mainstream. I mean, the vast majority of Americans would be very uncomfortable next to this male one day, female the next, who now we have to call by a new name and ignore the lipstick on. And this is at a time when our military recruitment is at record lows. There was a great piece in The Spectator today by Lou Aguilar. I recommend it to everybody. I tweeted it if you want to get it, but you can go to spectator.org. And Lou writes, he says, OK, the following. Hold on. Yeah. America's he says, of course, America bashing education alone because he railed about that, about how you go to school today. All you hear is about how bad America is, has not dampened young men's pro-military fervor. The current sad, woke state

of the Biden administration's Pentagon leadership is equally, if not more, off-putting. Whereas boys once idolized Generals Washington, Jackson, Grant, Pershing, Roosevelt, and Patton, and Admirals Perry and Nimitz, all they now see are pathetic losers like General Mark White Rage Milley and Lloyd Where's My Mask Austin, now the Secretary of Defense, not to mention the best known admiral, who is Rachel Levine, formerly known as Richard, who's, you know, now they're supposed to look up to this and see this as a reason to join the military. It's not happening. And that's why we're at record lows now on military recruitment. The numbers are the Army missed its recruitment goals by 25% in 22. In 23, it's projected to be 15,000 soldiers short. Similarly, the Navy expected to miss its target by 10,000 this year. And how, I mean, how depressing was it to see the same department actually put out, the Navy changed its graphics during Pride Month until we all said how

ridiculous and they changed them back. But they actually changed it to Progress Pride branding, as if America is going to start bombing the nation abroad to defend its interests. Oh, but it's got the pride flag on it, so that makes it OK. It's diverse. So it's diverse bombing. You know, you're taking a progressive plundering. So that's OK. How ridiculous. Of course, people are going to be turned away from this. And dare I say, at the most dangerous moment that we've known since the Cold War, to actually

turn around and put out these kinds of images. It says to China, it says to President Xi, it says to Russia, it says to President Putin, that the United States is a joke, that the United States, you know, you're going to be fighting people that don't know whether or not they're Arthur or Martha. They don't know, you know, whether or not you're calling them the right pronouns and that's what they care about and all the rest of it. And it's ridiculous. It makes the United States. They are bud lighting the American military. They're bud lighting the American military. Yes. They're changing the brand of the very organization. Exactly. You do. And once you do that, you actually make it more dangerous for the United States and its allies.

Because, of course, the United States is still a key ally when it comes to things like NATO. And actually, you know, Megan, from here, from abroad, I'm actually saying I wish Ron DeSantis, I know this might make me unpopular with some of your audience, but I wish Ron DeSantis would actually win because I want the West to look at the United States challenging this kind of wackery and walkery and standing up instead for flag and country and say, we need to copy and emulate the United States of America. I hope to almighty God, Megan, that we do not emulate the United States of America right now when it comes to the kind of things that the Navy,

the defense services are putting out. Right. Of course. And we don't know. We'll see whether Trump has evolved on the issue as we speculated

a short time ago. We know where DeSantis stands. Absolutely. I look forward to you interviewing him, Megan. Me too. Darren Grimes, what a pleasure. So nice to speak with you. Thank you so much for being here. Absolute pleasure. Good to be with you. I want to tell you that yesterday we were in church here at the beach and, you know,

there's always the final hymn and everybody stands up and sings it together. And we did that. And without missing a beat, we went right into, you know, the guy at the front who sings, he plays an amazing acoustic guitar. This guy went right into America the Beautiful and everybody started singing together. We were standing. It was such a beautiful moment. It gave me the chills. It just filled my heart with pride, with patriotism. I was and it was standing room only, by the way, at church standing. Literally, there were people who had to stand. It was almost so great. It got me in the mood. And that is one of the reasons

why I really like that piece I just mentioned to you and the spectator and by Lou Aguilar, it's headlined The Star Spangled Banner Still Waves. The subhead is as the Supreme Court

reminded us last week, we're still the land of the free. And he reminds us, Lou does, of the story behind our national anthem, The Star Spangled Banner. It goes reminds us, Lou does, of the story behind our national anthem, the Star-Spangled Banner. It goes back to September 13th, 1814. I'll give you just a bit in case you didn't learn it or forgot it. British warships fired a seemingly endless barrage of shells and rockets on Fort McHenry in Baltimore Harbor for 25 hours. How just weeks earlier,

the British had taken Washington, D.C. and burned the Capitol building in the White House. From the deck of an English ship eight miles away, arrested 35-year-old lawyer Francis Scott Key saw the U.S. flag flying over the fort through the bombardment, fully expecting the Union Jack to take its place in the morning.

In the tranquil yet smoke-filled dawn, he watched the stars and stripes still fluttering above the embankment, signaling an American victory. The choked-up key turned his thoughts and observations into a poem, which became a song, and in 1931, the national anthem. Of course, a different story, a different song than America the Beautiful, but so beautiful and just stirring, right, to listen to it. You know, anything that makes me feel good about the U.S., I embrace, and I'll be thinking about all of it tomorrow, as I know you guys will be. We'll have a full review on Wednesday.

In the meantime, please enjoy your 4th. And God bless America. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.