The Megyn Kelly Show - Megyn Kelly at Turning Point AmFest 2025: What's Really Behind the Rift on the Right, and the Truth About the Candace-Erika Summit

Episode Date: December 20, 2025

Megyn Kelly sits down with Jack Posobiec at Turning Point's AmFest 2025 conference to discuss what's really behind the right on the right, the truth about the Candace-Erika summit, what's next for the conservative movement and Turning Point, and honoring Charlie Kirk's legacy.  Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Ladies and gentlemen, we're here with Megan Kelly at Amfest 2025. Just when you think Turning Point can't go next level on the walkout, they can. They can shift to 11. Megan, I've got to ask, how does it feel to be on this stage without Charlie? Oh, like you, Jack, I miss him so much. And this is how we would always do it, right? Because just for me, I prefer a Q&A. I just think it's more interesting than a speech.

And we would sit at all of these things. And he was always so great, not to make you feel nervous, but he always knew exactly what question to ask. How to get you up and down on a story? He had a very good judgment for what was interesting to the audience, too, and was always so generous with his time and his, you know, his approach. So that, of course, I'm going to miss, but I can't believe it's been three months. In some ways, it feels like yesterday and in some ways it feels like another lifetime that we've seen him, right? Somebody brought up a, you know, an event.

I was at just a few days before Charlie's murder, and I remember thinking to myself, we were sitting, we were having lunch, and everything was totally normal, everything was just normal life, and then suddenly God snaps his fingers and shows you that you are not in control, that he is in control, that you are a spectator, you are a reactor, you are someone who is living out God's will, and I think that's one of the biggest things for me that I've been, and look, you know, it's not easy doing all this, but one of the things that I've been working hard to remember that God's will is absolutely paramount in all of this. I know. We don't have it all figured out.

I mean, I'll tell you, I was backstage a little while ago, and I went to see Erica in her green room. And, you know, she's so strong, and she's the picture of class, but she was alone. You know, and I saw her, I met her for the first time, backstage at one of these events and she was with just their daughter who is just a baby at the time they didn't have their little boy yet and she was seated she looked so beautiful she had her baby with her Charlie was in and out of everything it was crazy it was we were in

Florida he was like sweaty and she was just like an angel sitting there in the middle of the chaos like completely managing it and nonplussed and I just couldn't help with seeing her backstage alone thinking this it doesn't feel right you know she she she's shouldn't be alone. She should be with the love of her life. And that's why we have to make sure we get justice for the man who took him. Absolutely. And Megan, you were talking about this on your show recently, and you and I had a little conversation about it as well. And you said, you know, can a Christian want that kind of justice? And can a Christian believe in that kind of justice. And it's a great question. It's something a lot of people wrestle with. And the Bible

tells us that the sovereign is given the sword to wield justly. And so when you talk about things like the death penalty, when you talk about things like capital punishment, we understand that it is not done out of vengeance. It is not done out of anger. It is done, as Charlie said himself, out of valuing the life of the victim and showing that that life had worth, showing that that life had value. And by the way, it is a way to start to repay, I believe, as a way to start to repay the debt that's incurred by every single moment that was stolen from Erica, from his daughter, for his son, for every single Christmas,

for every single holiday, for every single birthday, for every single baseball that will never be thrown and caught, for not being able to walk as little girl down the aisle, that's a debt that needs to be paid. That's right, Jack. And that's to say nothing of the debt that is owed to all of us, to everyone who is sitting here, who knew and loved Charlie in whatever way it worked for you.

I mean, if Charlie could see this, he would be so proud, he would be so happy, be so lifted up by all of you. But we've all been robbed. We've all been cheated. And so, yes, we will both be watching that trial minute by minute, and I believe justice will be done. I think it will. And, you know, I do believe that Charlie is watching us right now.

And I'm sure up in heaven, I'm not sure quite what the radio schedule is, but I think Charlie's probably on from 9 to noon, and then from noon to 3 is Rush. That's amazing. And of course they do a handoff, because why not? Megan, one of the things that's come up in the wake of all of this, and, you know, people have said there's so much division in the movement, and, you know, is there divisiveness, are there two sides, are there fractures coming up? There is division, and Charlie was that uniter. So I'll just ask you the question as interviewing here today. Do you think that there has been

an inseparable rift in the conservative movement that we've seen since the death of Charlie? I mean, there's a rift, but it was starting even before we lost Charlie, and it revolves around Israel. There just is. It's gotten worse without him. He was helping us navigate it. And this is another area in which I miss him so much, because I feel like Charlie and I were completely in lockstep on this. And you guys may have seen the episode that we put out, what we re-released of Charlie and yours truly, talking about Israel. weeks before he died, where we had a really powerful heart to heart on where we both were,

who we were both ardent Israel supporters and had both been extremely defensive of American Jewish people on college campuses getting harassed and those hostage pictures getting torn down and very outspoken about it and horrified by it. And then we had a discussion at the Student Action Summit in July where there was a passing comment about if Epps was an Intel asset whose would he have been, which Charlie asked me. And I said it would make sense that it was the Israelis, since he was very close with the former prime minister and the former president. And then we both got called anti-Semites, like by some legitimate Jewish organizations for that conversation. By the way, Benjamin Netanyahu would

go on to say, I was right. And we were both on our heels. But Charlie was with young people every day for a living. In particular, young Republicans, and he was seeing what I was seeing in my neck of the conservative woods, which was, this party's changing on the issue of Israel. When I was at Fox, you supported Israel, period. No one was really interested in your actual opinion. You just supported Israel, which was fine for me because I did. But the party started to turn after 10-7. Uniform support and sympathy for Israel in 10-7, but as the war went on, years later, people were starting to turn on them. It felt like too much. And then we were under pressure getting involved. We had the Iran bombing and so on. And the pressure started to mount on those

of us who were pro-Israel to not allow the doubters, their say, to try to censor them or disagree with them publicly or call them out. And neither Charlie nor I felt like that was what we wanted to do at all, nor was it our job. We're not the policemen of the conservative movement. I'm not. He wasn't. Ben Shapiro isn't either. Well, Megan, you mentioned him and your name came up on this stage last night in regards to pretty much all of this. Would you like the opportunity to respond? Well, I found it kind of funny that Ben thinks he has the power to decide who gets excommunicated from the conservative movement, which shows a will. about his position in it. It reminded me a little of when the girl who was the head

of our middle school chorus told me she was going to take all my friends away from me. Chorus? The head cheerleader, maybe. So I resent the whole thing. I object to the whole thing. Ben and I, he had the nerve to call me a friend right before he called me a despicable coward for not calling out the people he wants called out. So he both wants to parent me and and be my child. He wants to tell me what I have to do and who I have to say what to. And then when I don't, he and some of his friends want to act like utter victims because I won't do what they say.

They need me. I have to be their daddy and step in to protect them. And I am not their daddy. And I resent that he thinks he's in a position to decide who must say what to whom and when. Thank you. So I don't think we are friends. anymore. I've been a very good friend to Ben. Nobody knew who the heck Ben

Shapiro was when I started putting him on my shows on the Fox News channel and I helped make him a star and I've been very very good to Ben over the years and he's been good to me too. He just recently came on my tour as did you and I gave him the most kind introduction I could possibly give him because I know that he's losing subscribers a lot and so I tried to do something nice for him by giving him a long ten minute intro and personally vouching for him And we mixed it up on Israel out on stage. It wasn't Israel because we're on the same place on Israel.

We mixed it up over whether Tucker Carlson should be excommunicated from the conservative movement, which I do not believe. And what, thank you. And when it was over, we hugged, said goodbye, and then we had a nice text exchange a couple days later saying our friendship was important to us. And the next thing I saw was him attacking me on stage last night as a coward. last night is a coward. So that's not friendship, and I think that's fine with me, with friends like that.

There was also some response where it seemed like that call was being co-signed by the new head of CBS News, Barry Weiss, and I wanted to know if you wanted to respond to that as well. So it's a similar situation with Barry. None of this is about them calling me out for anything I've said or haven't said, or it's certainly not about Erica Kirk, as Ben tried to make it sound last night. It's about Israel. Those two are very pro-Ardened Israel activists, which is fine, but they don't get to dictate how the rest of us feel about Israel or what we do with respect to our friends and our friends' opinions on Israel. And I'll tell you, you know, Barry Weiss wants to couch herself as Erica's protector, Erica's defender.

retweeting the Ben speech, saying anybody who doesn't call out conspiracy theorists is a coward. Erica Kirk barely knows Barry Weiss. Barry doesn't know anything about Erica. Barry Weiss has never been to a turning point event. Do you guys remember her here? Standing up for what we believe in when Charlie was alive? I don't remember her standing up for our principles. I don't remember her defending Charlie the many times he was called a racist or an anti-Semite.

I really don't remember that at all. What I do remember is she had Erica Kirk come on one town hall in which Barry Weiss tried to play both super important VIP executive and super fabulous star anchor at her new network CBS, Pro Tip Barry. That's no way to win friends at your new organization to try to steal all the hosting abilities of the on-air talent. So good luck with that. And what she did when she had Erica there was to have the nerve to bring on the man, who asked the final question of Charlie right before he got shot. Hunter, Hunter Kozak. To put Erica in the position of having to defend whether Trump uses hateful rhetoric,

the nerve. I'll just say I didn't appreciate when I saw that that happened. And I don't think that that ever should have happened. I don't think that question should have been asked. And I noticed that when Hunter Kozak did that, he immediately went to try to get Erica to denounce Trump, denounce his rhetoric. This is a man who was standing in front of Charlie, in front of her husband, when he died,

and he never once even said to her the basic human decency of saying, I'm sorry for your loss. He was sick, and that was a Barrywise move because, trust me, I've done town halls. You know who the questioners are and you know what the questions are in advance in that setting. So she knew it was coming,

and she thought it was appropriate to have Charlie's widow answer for Trump's violent rhetoric. I'm sorry, that's disrespectful, and I will not be taking any lessons from Barry Weiss in how to treat Erica or anyone else. All right. So, since we're spilling all the tea tonight...

Tea, I did not want spilled, for the record. I kept my powder dry until I was a jacked public. So I'm asking all the questions here. We're turning the tables on Megan Kelly for once. So, Megan, you mentioned something on your show recently that I know a lot of people have been chatting about, there's been a lot of chatter about this, the sit down, the peace summit heard around the world between Candace Owens and Erica Kirk. And you mentioned that you played a role in brokering this.

Tell us the story, if you would. Well, I, Erica has asked me to tell the story and is fine with me telling the story, so I will. otherwise I would not have gotten into the details but so from the beginning of Candace's programming on this I've been in touch with Turning Point

and I know you have two we've all talked about it behind the scenes but I've had long long conversations with everybody at the highest levels on how to handle this and I think everybody was confused about what the next right move was because it was so extraordinary

And I'm not going to get into the substance of those discussions, but suffice to say that I think everyone felt the best course initially was to try to just rise above it and not respond in a tit-for-tat manner. And as it went on, it started to get more and more problematic for Turning Point for Erica and so on. And Erica called me and said, I want to do a sit-down with Candice and I want you to moderate it. And I said, what? Say what? And I said, you know, she said a word from you would silence her on this forever. Like she, it doesn't have to be an oral word. It could be like a text or an email. Maybe that's the best way to see if we can put this to bed. But Erica really felt that they should sit down together face to face. And I've gotten to know Candace a little better over the past months. And I actually thought she might do it. Like I wasn't sure, but I don't know, an invitation from Erica would be hard to resist.

And she said, you know, would you please come and facilitate it, really, just like they were going to have the discussion, but I was, but Erica's thought, and Candace originally wanted to do this too, was for them to live stream this out that same Monday that the turning point guys were going to live stream their event. And of course, I'm like, oh my mother of God, what am I getting myself into? But I actually felt, I felt like it was divine right order, and I have to tell you, Jack, I've prayed so many times, so many times to Charlie and to God to give me the right guidance on how to handle this whole thing, the fracture within the conservative movement, my friends turning on me because I won't call out my other friends, like Tucker,

this dust up between Candace and Erica and Turning Point and Erica, which, you know, turning point in Candace, which is fraught, and yet I understand, I know people are very angry at Candace right now, and I understand it, but I have to say, and Ben, yet or not anything he mocked me for was saying she was a young mother. But Candace had like literally just had a baby. And I'm sorry, maybe Ben doesn't understand, but that is a vulnerable position for a woman. And then her friend got shot in the neck. And so I did think she deserved a wide birth right after Charlie's death to explore what she wanted to explore. I had real empathy for her. And of course I don't agree with what she's said about Turning Point, Erica. And she knows that. But my point was simply that

I thought maybe Charlie helped me understand to keep my powder dry in the whole thing so that maybe I could have been in a position to help it happen. It's what Erica wants. Maybe Candice does want an off-ramp and I'm willing to try. So Candice and I were in touch

and she was very nice. She said, I'm thrilled it to you. I'll do it. So they were going to do it out here in Arizona and then there was a security issue Candice said that she said she couldn't come. And then Erica said, I'll go to you.

I'll go to Nashville. She's just extraordinary. I mean, Erica's been all over the country trying to honor Charlie's commitments on his book tour. She was exhausted. She had this coming up this week. I mean, she's going through.

She has two babies at home who are, she's now a single mother to. But she really wanted to put this to bed, and so she said, I'll go to you. And then it morphed into, let's not do the live stream. Let's just do it, the two of us. I thought that was great.

So they both went in there. Erica brought a trusted friend and employee here and Candice had someone very close to her and they, by all accounts from both women, had a very good meeting. Now, will it last? Where does it go from here? I was joking earlier like, what's more tenuous? The Gaza peace deal or this situation? What I really want is for Candice to move on

from Turning Point, Erica. I have no problem with her asking. questions but not about them but I also I also object for the record to the people who have tried to shut Candace down entirely on inquiring into what if any role did Israel have here and I want to make clear I don't think Israel had any role I think Tyler Robinson killed Charlie my only question is whether there was some trans Tifa element element that helped him however it's okay to ask questions about Israel. And it was Andrew Colvette,

the executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show, who sent those texts to the FBI of Charlie's, from that private message, it wasn't a text, it was private messages, like a group chat, in which he said, the Jewish donors to Turning Point were driving him up below the wall

and that he'd had it with them, and that they were making demands of him, that he was not prepared to meet, and he was at his wits' end. And he had told me personally that he found their behavior, and I quote, repulsive. So I was fine. Again, I don't think Israel had anything to do with it, but why did I have an obligation to stop Candace from asking those questions? I didn't, and I didn't call her out, because I favored her asking them.

So then, Megan, what is the way forward? What is the way forward for the right, for turning point? Charlie is on assignment with God. Erica is here now. The organization is here now. What is the way forward for the movement? Look, I think we're far more united than we are divided. And I think while...

I agree. Right? Right? Yeah, I think we're far more united. I mean, I would just put one final period on the pro-Israel activists, which are not to be confused with regular Jewish Americans who are lovely and don't run around trying to tell you what you can and cannot say.

But I think they need to stop being such ardent bullies because it's dividing our movement. Unnecessarily over a country that is not ours. Over Israel, not America. We need to care about America. America first is the principle that will get us through. And I think we need to remember that the people who are literally killing us, like literally killing us, are the ones who are the true enemy. These crazy radical leftists are the ones about whom we need to worry, not our

own side. You know, Megan, we only have a couple of minutes left. I just wanted to tell you, would you guys mind if I embarrass Megan a little bit, if that be okay a little bit? Just, hold on, hold on, I'll tell you a story, because it's actually embarrassing to me, that you don't know this, But about a decade ago, when I was still in the military, when I was in my Navy unit, we would be there in Navy intelligence. And, of course, in my office, we only watched Fox, right? And every single day, well, we were watching there in the military,

we'd be sitting, and we would have on the Kelly file. And believe it or not, folks, I just want to let you know that the people of the military, the people that I knew, people like me who were just guys who were serving, We loved everything that you and all the people were doing to support us, to support the things that we were doing, to support the patriotism that we thought that we had. And keep in mind, this was under Obama. So we were, in many cases, feeling very isolated,

feeling very looked aside and blamed for a lot of the things that were going wrong when we realized that these were political decisions that were happening. This is the era of Benghazi, this was the era of the drone strikes, et cetera, et cetera. So I just wanted to say that I hope you know that there are so many people in the United States military, in my state's law enforcement, that would be out there watching you day in and day out, and there still are today. And we wanted to thank you for having our back. Oh, Jack, that is so sweet. The fact that you would put it, the thanks goes the other way. It does not go from the military to the game.

And now the embarrassing part? Okay, I'm going to admit it. We used to kind of have like an office pool about. Megan and keep in mind this is a couple of guys in the military we always used to try to guess which color you would wear that day it being Fox it was a high likelihood of neon pink red or yellow I was always green I always went with Kelly Green yeah Kelly Greene Kelly the one thing that would have cost you the bed immediately was orange because Roger did not allow orange oh no ours ever black occasionally black they didn't love black but they would sometimes let you get away with it you know why because

because there was a wardrobe leader there who really felt like the orange, like the neon colors would pop. So somebody who was channel surfing would see like, oh, the bright pink and a blonde head, I'll stop. What does she have to say? And lo and behold, that formula worked

and Fox News became number one within a few short years after launch. There you go. You know, I've tried that myself, but I don't really have the same effect, Megan. No, it's different in podcasting, but you have a voice for podcasting, Jack. One of the many reasons why your show is up.

My dad says I have a voice for radio too. Megan, thank you so much for your leadership on this, for your guidance, for brokering peace in a situation like this, for stepping up and being a leader when you could have been divisive, when you could have taken sides, but I'll say it from my side and you as well. I'm not on America's side or excuse me, I'm on America's side, I'm on turning point side, and I'm on Charlie's side. Right on. Same. Same. Sign me up. Thank you all so much. Give it up for Megan Kelly.

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