The Megyn Kelly Show - New Details on Bill Belichick’s Controversial Relationship, Mike Waltz Out at NSC, Meghan Markle’s Strange Podcast Interview, with Dave Portnoy | Ep. 1062

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

Megyn Kelly is joined by Dave Portnoy, president and founder of Barstool Sports, to discuss the breaking news of the departure of National Security Advisor Mike Waltz, Kamala Harris' latest bizarre speech where she keeps laughing, how the Democrats lack of authenticity keeps backfiring with voters, the political fallout over illegal immigration, the legal loopholes that let violent illegal gang members like Kilmar Abrego Garcia avoid accountability, the uphill battle victims face to seek justice, the growing controversy surrounding Bill Belichick’s relationship with 24-year-old Jordon Hudson, the awkward CBS interview, how she is seemingly steering his professional life, Meghan Markle’s latest podcast interview with Jamie Kern Lima, the hypocrisy of renouncing her royal titles while still cashing in on them, long-standing reports of her bullying behavior both inside and outside the palace, and more. https://www.barstoolsports.com/Home Title Lock: Go to https://hometitlelock.com/megynkelly and use promo code MEGYN to get a FREE title history report so you can find out if you’re already a victim AND 14 days of protection for FREE! And make sure to check out the Million Dollar TripleLock protection details when you get there! Exclusions apply. For details visit https://hometitlelock.com/warrantyGrand Canyon University: https://GCU.eduSimpliSafe: Visit https://simplisafe.com/MEGYN to claim 50% off & your first month free!Birch Gold: Text MK to 989898 and get your free info kit on goldFollow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Just back now from Washington, D.C. literally just an hour ago, got back, where I interviewed Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard late yesterday. You can find that interview on YouTube.com slash Megyn Kelly and our podcast feeds right now. They posted this morning. And there's a lot to unpack from that interview. She made a ton of news. Plus, there are reports today broken initially by our pal and now part of the MK Podcast Media Network, Mark Halperin, that National Security advisor, Mike Walz, is out, that he's

being forced out of the Trump administration. We will break it down for you. But today, I am here live in New York City at the Sirius XM HQ, the Worldwide HQ, where we have an incredible show for you with Barstool Sports founder, Dave Portnoy. Cannot wait to spend two hours with Dave. If you're a homeowner, listen up. When's the last time you checked on your home title? That's the legal proof that you own your house. And the answer is probably never. The problem is in today's AI and cyber world, scammers are stealing home titles and your equity is the target. Criminals forge your signature on one document, use a fake notary stamp, pay a small fee with your county, and boom, your home title has been transferred

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Yeah, very far, clearly. Very far. To the moon and back, some might say. Where was that? In like obviously a zero gravity chamber of some sort? You'll have to tune in tomorrow. I can't talk to you unless you've been. Have you been? To where? The moon? Just to the special places I've been in space. You'll have to tune in tomorrow. I can't talk to you unless you've been. Have you been? To where?

The moon? Just to the special places I've been in space. No, I haven't been there. I haven't been to any of those spots. Then we can't discuss it. I'm going to have to go back to Gail. Fine. She's the only one who understands me.

Okay, fair. Okay, there's so much happening right now. Let's talk about Mike Walsh, because while the average audience member might not think Dave Portnoy is the perfect person to discuss this news with, they are wrong because you actually called for his ouster. I said somebody had to go. Yes.

Yeah. After the Signalgate controversy broke. Well, Signalgate was crazy to me. Still crazy to me. Then there was follow-up. There was more to Signalgate with Hesketh, right? Hesketh. Hesketh, right?

With telling his wife and somebody, someone else. His personal lawyer and reportedly many others on that second chain. Yeah, so I mean, to me that's nuts.

The Signal stuff is nuts. I don't know if that's why he's getting pushed out. It seems pretty late like in the game. Like Signalgate to me sort of passed. But is that the point?

That didn't draw as much attention? No, I don't think that's how well i never know how trump thinks because here's the thing he doesn't like giving the media a scalp right like a credit for anything yeah but it also depends on how you look at his mind frame which i don't know anybody else will it also if he did it almost instantly it could be viewed as aha we have we have accountability here and there's a mistake made and I rectified it instantly. So do you think, I don't know, do you think it is directly-

That doesn't sound like Trump. Do you think it's directly then single gay? I don't. No. I think it's probably, and this is complete speculation. I do not have any inside information on this, but I think it's probably he's too neoconny and the strong strain within MAGA right now is the more, they call them the restrainers. Yeah. The ones who are not hawks. They don't want us rushing into war with Iran.

We had a long talk with Tucker Carlson about this the other day, not involving Mike Walsh, but Mike Walsh has got a long history in the Congress, which made him some people's darling and some people's foil on this front. He was always more neoconny. And he's got a very important post. And there was a report in the New York Times about a month ago saying Tulsi, J.D., Pete Hegseth and Susie Wiles, chief of staff for Trump, stopped him from getting on board that train as it was pummeling toward war with Iran on behalf of or in connection with Israel. So who was on the other side? Who were the

administration officials saying, let's do this, what Netanyahu wants, like back them in bombing Iran or give them the bombs or we'll do the bombs? The realistic truth was we were going to have to participate very meaningfully in that bombing campaign. We would have been at war with Iran. So it would have been an enormous thing to do. And I do wonder whether that played some role. Yeah. So like 99% of that, to be frank, went right over my head. Like, oh, I may have like been glazed over. The thing I know about.

Back to Signalgate. Yeah. Like I didn't even know. Like I knew he was. But the Signalgate is the one that caught my attention. Again, I think it's a delayed response. So your scenario of what you just laid out could make more sense. I'm probably the wrong guy to be like, yeah, all right, that's it.

It's possible. The Signalgate to me was just you can't have people using Signal and basically sending war plans to reporters or their wife or any of that. So to me, that was a fireable offense. So the Signalgate, it may have played a role. We don't know. I mean, here's what Mark Halperin said. When did this happen, by the way? Just now.

It's happening right now. Like as I came in here. Yeah, you didn't miss it. So Mark Halperin is part of our new MK Media Network, which I'd love to ask you about because you run a very successful media network. And he had his first show on Tuesday and his second show is today. He also does a show on YouTube called Two Way, and he broke this news earlier today. Here's some of it with some more context, I believe, SOT7. Three different people have confirmed that the plan now by the White House is to remove the

National Security Advisor, Mike Waltz, who was on Fox News this morning just about that long ago, and his deputy, Alex Wong, and much of the member current staff team at the National Security Council because of unhappiness throughout the national security establishment of how they're doing. This was around before Signalgate. It was widely reported that Signalgate, ironically, may have saved Waltz's job,

as I understand it from my sources, a general belief that it's not being run efficiently in an organized way. It may happen as early as today. It may not happen ever because it's Donald Trump. But the plan is for it to happen soon, maybe this weekend. So very interesting. He's saying they wanted to dump him before Signalgate,

but Trump didn't dump him after that because he didn't want to look like he was being reactive to the nasty news. Well, he'd be reactive. I feel like if he's not, who knows? I mean, I can see this still not happening. I feel like i see reports of things happening that never does and then they'll jump on and be like shame on you media for reporting this yes so who knows i looked i just looked at x it's the number one thing um yeah shocking i guess but i'll believe it when i see tim waltz number one thing on tim well we're definitely getting mike waltz has left the chat is is he your is he your

man speaker who tim waltz do i know chat is is he your is he your man speaker tim waltz do i no he is not he's what do you mean what do you mean my man speak you know how he said he came out yesterday and said he was the man that kamala selected to speak to guys like you white men well that's crazy i didn't see that but no he he failed miserably in that in that realm you didn't connect with him in that way? Nobody connected with him. Nobody did. Here's what he said. Let's watch it. We'll go from Mike Walsh

I can't believe he's still talking. to Tim Walsh. Here, let's watch. I was on the ticket, I would argue, because we did a lot of amazing progressive things in Minnesota that improved people's lives,

but I also was on the ticket, quite honestly, you know, because I could code talk to white guys watching football fixing their truck, doing that, because I could code talk to white guys watching football, fixing their truck, doing that, that I could put them at ease. I was the permission structure to say, look, you can do this and vote for this. And you look across those swing states, with the exception of Minnesota, we didn't get enough of those votes. But you could be giving them

permission on TV every day. You could have been messaging that way. And that isn't necessarily how it struck out. Yes. But I also said, I understand myself. I said, I think I'd give you pretty good stuff, but I'll also give you a 10% problematic.

And so somebody has got to make the decision here to handle some of this stuff and to make it. And those are just decisions that were made. That's delusional. I mean, that's wildly delusional. I even thought that, I mean,

I knew he had the football thing, but he doesn't speak to a normal guy. He doesn't act like a normal guy. His mannerisms weren't like everyday guy. There was no part of him that connected to what a normal guy is talking about or interested in. And by the way, normal guys can see through that pretty quickly. When you're trying to play the normal guy. Yeah. I mean, I remember hearing that he was like a football coach but even that was a strange coach the the story behind it

so it didn't really work out and and that that anybody by the way with a brain could have screened him for five seconds been like this is the guy that i don't know who they have in the party by the way that would have done that but you could have screened him and anybody could have said that right away. But that is one of the problem with the Democrats. They're going to like the Pete Buttigieg's of the world to say, is this a man that regular American men can relate to? And he's like, yes, that's our guy. Trying to think who on the Democratic side I would be like, yeah, that that that's the guy that resonates.

I mean, you could be you could run it by a man like James Carville. He's got the ability to say, that's not going to resonate with middle America. The old Massachusetts governor, Baker. He was a pretty normal guy. Not only went to the NCAA, but I would say he was a normal speak-to guy. So you don't think the jazz hands is like...

Jazz hands is not the thing. I mean, he had a lot of things going. He was one of the worst candidates. The whole was bad yeah um that's why they lost but yeah that that is and that's not even a political thing that's just if you if you asked if you just pulled a group of guys out of a bar and we're like is this are you going to be friends with that guy most would probably be like no we're not so and that is again has nothing to do with politics it's just the vibe he gave off yeah well on top of all that what does it say about the democratic party that they thought the guy who would speak to white guys in america is the guy who mandated tampons in boys rooms throughout minnesota they're off the democratic party is

is lost so um i don't it's interesting because I never I didn't even know that they were trying to speak to people like, I guess, me or our crowd. If you want to say that's like who Trump spoke with. I didn't even know they were attempting to do that during the election. That didn't seem like something they were interested in. So I didn't know that was why he was brought on to do that. Well, remember he put on the camo hat and he did some video where he was gaming and apparently he stunk at it. But he went out with a gun and was going to go hunting. And it was very obvious to all Second Amendment people he was not familiar with a gun. He couldn't load it. Yeah, I remember the one when I thought it was Kamala that asked her what kind of gun she had. And she didn't answer correctly.

But that's very politics 101. That's, I mean, all the way back, the mayor of Boston was called like Sammy Sousa and all the wrong names. Even I know that one. Yeah, they pretend to play a character that they're not, which I don't know who gives them that intel. I think people would much more respect if you don't pretend to be something you are not. All right, but that's politics so let's say they come to dave portnoy next time around and they're like how do we reach regular guys and convince them to vote them i mean you you can't demonize them i would say like they're and it's they've been doing it for a long time. But if you're saying men and when people are asking me that, I think they generally are talking like white, middle class people working in financial districts. There's a shame that that comes across of saying you are in a frat.

And by the way, not all frats are good, but wanting to make money, want to money want to have a good job want to spend money be rich all that stuff is not necessarily bad i think that has been a message that comes america's like yeah we should be kind of ashamed of being a white guy that doesn't that i don't think what they fail to understand that doesn't discount that a white guy like me or any can care about a lot of the issues that Democrats care about. But I'm also not really going to apologize for being like a white guy in this country who wants to have a good job, make money, go to college, do all those things.

And that is a message that seemingly like you can't be both. They've never like, I mean, Biden all the way through, it felt like a lot of the issues they could blame and problems in America is always like our fault. Yeah. And we don't want. Remember, even when the black vote wasn't going as strongly for Kamala as the Dems wanted and Barack Obama showed up at that polling, that campaign office and was like, you're a bunch of sexists. Yeah,

right. Well, and they've said it, the deplorables and like, you know, if you vote for Trump, you're a Nazi and things like that. I don't know if that's exact, but things... No, that's literally what's been said on CNN by people like Don Lemon and his friends. And then it's like, well, you know, you're talking about more than half the country.

It's clearly then you should move if you truly believe that. And that's the messaging that we've gotten from them and in somebody like me who it's i'm always in a weird box because i don't consider myself political but i'm talking about more and more like i could easily take out the candidates i grew up in a democratic household my father i've said a million times hates trump um i am somebody who you would think would vote democrat. But as I got older, especially like running business and doing stuff, they just kept pushing me, pushing me, pushing me to the

point this election. It wasn't like I wasn't wavering who I was going to vote for. I was voting for Trump. And even I would still re-vote for Trump. No questions asked. That's how much I hated the other ticket. You may not want to see this, but Kamala Harris is also back in the news. And you tell me whether we dodged a bullet with this woman where she took to the stage last night at this group that's pushing to get more females involved in Democrat politics running for office. And here's how she sounded. I heard about this. Watch it. You'll enjoy.

In fact, please allow me, friends, to digress for a moment okay it's kind of dark in here but i'm asking a show of hands who saw that video from a couple weeks ago the one of the elephants at the san diego zoo during the earthquake what is she laughing at google it well yeah this is so that scene has been on my mind. Everybody's asking me, what you been thinking about these days? Well... Yeah, the... Hold on, she's almost there.

Here those elephants were. And as soon as they felt the earth shaking beneath their feet, they got in a circle and stood next to each other to protect the most vulnerable. Think about it. What a powerful metaphor. The lesson is don't don't scatter the instinct has to be to immediately find and connect with each other and to know that the circle will be strong oh my god well yeah that was a lot more of our campaign speak in which you sent a whole lot of a lot of something but really not saying anything and also the moral superiority which even in that comes through is another like the way they lecture in there i don't like politicians in general like i think probably

if you had a hundred politicians room maybe like two are like truly in it for the right reasons um but the moral superiority when when like what they did in the election which the way they all lied about biden his mental health for for years and then they waited so there's no like she would never win and well she'd never won election but she would never win a fair primary with the that to me was their biggest mistake because who knows who could have come out of that um but it's lecturing people like they're they're angels like they're perfect they know they know better than anybody like what's best for you and and that we're stupid because we see what the democratic party does

and that's it's just such a turnoff and say whatever you want about trump and people may say other i i feel like he's him and like even with these tariffs and stuff like he campaigned on tariffs yeah he was so then to be like what are you doing these tariffs and i'm like that because i'm in the stock markets like i want my stocks to go up but it's like he said he was gonna do it at least so they're just if you did authentic and took the democrats and the republicans to me it's not even close. And that's part of how I end up voting Republican. She's so annoying in her mannerisms with her little hands in tight and she starts giggling

at her own thought. What she's saying is not even purportedly funny. There's nothing at all funny. There's no joke coming. She's just giggling at her own little aside. She's not a great public speaker. No, the only time it gets funny is when she lands her point and you realize there's nothing there. Yeah.

And she's built it up like this huge profundity only to let us down once again. I don't even know what she's doing. Is she running for what? The governor of California? We don't know. She's weighing either that or another presidential run. That's crazy. They'd never do that.

I don't know. Well, I'd never say never. I've been a very good person this year. It's possible the Lord will give this to me. Maybe. Maybe. Well, there's AOC. Aren't they saying her?

Yes. I just think that the party still loves her. They have no chance to win if she wins. I completely agree. No chance. But there are some people out there. Oh, gosh. I don't know if I'm going to be able to find it.

But there are people out there talking about her right now, like behind the scenes and off record. They don't want to put their name to it about how, you know, she's really formidable. Like the party really needs to hear. They have a hankering to hear from her. Hold on a second. Is that the word they use? Hankering? No, they say.

Here it is. Clamoring. There is a clamoring for her voice right now, said a former Harris senior advisor. Meanwhile, I'm like, is he named Pug Klemhoff? Like, don't, this is clearly like her husband or somebody very close to her. And they say, because they were granted anonymity to speak candidly, meaning really falsely.

Quote, no one can better prosecute the case while inspiring a call to action than the former vice president. I mean, we already went down that road. Are they just saying she didn't have enough time or something? And you can't get over the fact she knew that Biden wasn't fit to be president. Just lied about it. I mean, you can't get, I don't know.

It would be crazy, but they're already nuts to me on who they put forward. We're already in crazy town. Yeah, to do it again would be insane. I mean, that's the exact opposite of what we were just discussing. Like, how do they get, you know, the typical male vote? I mean, that's the opposite. That's not going to do it. So I mentioned at the top that I sat down with Tulsi Gabbard last night,

and we had a bunch of discussions that were really interesting, I thought. It's quite the move going from her to me. And then blonde origin. I mean, it's been that kind of a week, Dave. But here's one thing I want to pick up on that we started the show off with, like this push to get us into another war with Iran by these forces behind the scenes. And I'm not blaming that on Mike Wallace. That was just speculation on my point that maybe some perceive him as on that side. But she did speak to, because she's anti all that. That's one of the reasons Trump chose her. And I did speak to, because she's anti all that. That's one of the reasons Trump chose her.

And I was asking her, like, do you feel it? Do you feel like people pushing you towards, you know, all things military, all things war? And here's what she said and sought to. article within the past month saying you, he, J.D. Vance, and his chief of staff, Susie Wiles, were all together in urging him to not go too far on our actions against Iran. And President Trump did not do it. He did not give Netanyahu the answer he wanted. I know you're not going to get into the specifics of what you advise the president, but can you can you explain private conversation between the president and his advisors. I won't get into the details, but it was a very robust discussion that really speaks to President Trump's care and thoughtfulness as he makes his decisions. Do you feel the push, Tulsi, the push of this, like, strong neocon strain

that's still within the Republican Party and probably in these agencies, that's much more hawkish on an issue, including war in the Middle East, which we've just done for 20 years? Yeah, of course. The pressure's there. The leaks have to end. If the president

can't have the confidence that he can sit in a room with his closest advisors without it leaking to the public, then that is something that really undermines his being best served. So she's talking about, Dave, how they sat there, she basically confirming, in a private meeting with just the president, with those officials I named, with the vice president, with the director of national intelligence, with the secretary of defense and his chief of staff. And what she's saying without being explicit about it is then she believes none of them leaked. But then they have to talk to their staffs about what happened and what needs to happen. And at that top, top level, someone's leaking to the New York Times and saying, how are they supposed to function like this? You got to start planting fake stories.

Yeah, right. You got to do that and weed it out. I mean, that would drive me insane. That would drive anybody, regardless of whether it's the president of the United States. Obviously, different table stakes. But any CEO, any leader, you can't have that. Yeah, I like that idea. Yeah, you got to do that.

They do that in some – like what movie did they do that in where they plant like a fake piece of gossip and see who bites? You narrow it down. Right? You would narrow it down. Something juicy that they throw in. Just do it with each of those departments if that's where they think it came from. Yeah, I hope they're watching. I'm going to make sure they see this.

Got to do it. It's a very good idea. Yeah. Because it's happening to Tulsi. It's happening to Trump. It's obviously happening to Hegseth where like bit by bit they're undermining the whole administration with these leaks and like. Or maybe he's just sending it on his signal chat.

Yeah, right, right. That also opens it. You know, she said. They'll just point back and be like, well, you guys are idiots and you're you're texting reporters by accident. She also told me that the Biden administration used Signal and she said without naming them, she said some of the very exact officials who are dumping on us for being on a Signal chat. She was one of the ones use Signal and she has proof of it. Well, that's the most unsurprising like comment ever. I mean, they could have sent it to that same reporter in the Atlantic and he wouldn't have said anything.

That's right. But you very much don't want to send it to somebody, you know, openly hates your guts. Yeah. So, yeah. Then you're going to have to live with it. You're telling me it's they're being hypocrites. That's not surprising to me at all. Not surprising at all.

Here she is a little bit more on these leaks coming out of the administration. Me too. Here's SOT3. You've referred three people now to DOJ for criminal prosecution. Do you think they will be prosecuted? That's the goal. That's the goal. The only way we bring about accountability is by doing the work of conducting these investigations. The Department of Justice and the FBI obviously have different tools that they can use in order to find the truth and to seek out that evidence

so that we can actually prosecute these crimes. Do the people know they've been referred? Like, do they still work here? In some cases, they know. In other cases, they are likely not aware. I mean, that's kind of badass, frankly, because what she's doing is she's not telling everybody that she like I know it was you, Fredo. She's letting Fredo just continue to scare him. And then the next call they get is going to say we're not the leakers. Right. None has been arrested. We don't know whether they will be arrested.

They all deny they did it. I have to say, as between the two, this is probably the better course because it's like they're not twisting in the wind as leakers who can speak out about it they're in cuffs by the time we learn their names yeah i mean it can't be obviously it's a major crime at that level to be leaking information it's also like the last thing they should be worrying like they're running the government that's the thing to be worrying about internal leaks seems like there should be a better use of time but you can't ignore it that's the thing that it's so undermining. All right. One other point on Tulsi, um, where were you on like the COVID lockdowns and the overreach by Fauci and all that stuff?

So I was very much on the side of, you got to let small businesses decide whether they want to stay open or not. Like we're all kind of adults here. And if you want to be open, so I hated the lockdowns. We started a gigantic like fund for companies that were shut down. We raised like $50 million. That's right. We covered that actually.

So we were very much trying to help small businesses who were basically going out of business through no fault of their own. What do you think of Fauci? I mean, I see all the stuff that says he's a criminal. He should go to jail. He hit it. I haven't delved enough. I mean, my knee-jerk reaction on the guy when I see him is I actually find him to be believable.

Like, he's speaking on camera. But you see all this stuff. So I wouldn't convict him without any hard evidence. You may be like, well, I have hard evidence. But I think the whole lockdown thing was handled horribly. Well, I asked her about it. This is one of the first things we covered. And I think it was probably the biggest piece of news to come out of the interview. Well, let's watch the exchange and then I'll fill in the blanks.

Here it is. We already know that EcoHealth Alliance was partnering with this Wuhan lab to create, to do gain of function research. That's right. We just have never been able to have somebody say, and it was that exact experiment that led to this COVID bug. But have we gotten there? What's the new thing that you're digging in on?

We are working on that with Jay Bhattacharya. I mean, that would be extraordinary because just so the audience knows, if that's true, if it was Peter Daszak's research with the Wuhan so-called bat lady that caused this pandemic, then we did fund it. Then Anthony Fauci helped fund the pandemic. The thing that he denied over and over and over to Senator Rand Paul's questioning. That's right. Under oath. An under oath. Exactly. So it is. Is it any wonder

that he sought a preemptive pardon for anything during a certain period of time by President Biden before he left office? That's the director of national intelligence clearly intimating that they're about to tie Anthony Fauci and this group, EcoHealth Alliance, that he funded to the actual COVID virus. Yeah, which is insane. So then what is this, a giant cover-up? Yes. Yeah.

So that's crazy. That's huge. That's a link we've never been able to close. We've been able to close. We funded EcoHealth Alliance. They partnered with the Wuhan lab. They did gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses but we've never been able to make the leap to and it resulted in this coronavirus and that's what

she says she's intimating is about to come yeah it's crazy if that's it if that's true he lied under oath repeatedly yeah and he needed that pardon mean, everybody got pardoned pretty much by Biden, right? Like, for the most part. But I mean, the fact that the guy running this huge piece of NIH was perjuring himself, allegedly, we'll find out, to the point where it wasn't just a courtesy pardon to prevent harassment. Like, he actually may have committed felonies here. It is insane. Like, my, yeah yeah it's crazy again i was very anti-lockdowns i didn't like fauci i criticized fauci i maybe my gut reaction whenever i see the guy isn't he doesn't scream arch criminal to me but maybe i'll be wrong like does he give you those vibes?

100%. He does. Yes. So he's a supervillain to you? Yes. He's the supervillain that you don't know is the supervillain until the end of the movie? In the middle of the movie, it became obvious. But yes, I hate him with the passion of 10,000 sons. I think he's completely dishonest. He didn't intend...

You're not saying he intentionally launched COVID. You're saying I don't think he wanted. No, no one's suggesting that the Intel community. No one's saying that it happens. And then he's like, oh, crap, I got to do this giant. And he's happens to be the like the guy who's publicly speaking about it. So it's basically two different things.

He launched it, created it. I shouldn't say launch created inadvertently. But he's also the guy who's going to be in charge of controlling it. And then you got this. He's basically running interference to keep himself from being the guy the entire time. know from his internal emails that the house republicans got at the time well a couple years after the the covid mania that he was actively working to smear doctors who were coming out saying this thing looks like it came from a lab yeah we've never seen this particular virus before in nature this looks lab made and he was all over the place like tamp that down get that out there that's fringe that's he made sure that narrative couldn't live. It's an insane fool and maybe I'm just naive and thinking like. You still trust the officials? I don't trust a lot of officials.

He just comes across as like a grandpa to me. You've got to spend some time with my husband, Doug, because I am terrible at judging character. I'm always like, he's fine. See, I feel feel like i'm pretty good and my husband's really good and he's always on to people before i am but even i saw it with fauci was he onto yeah he yes he knew he was bad um i don't know i think some people just have a knack for this i i'm usually like they're good what do you mean i mean trump didn't know yeah no he was under trump yeah for the for the for the beginning, for the actual peak of COVID. Like he's he's doing a great job. Yep.

I know that was one of Trump's failures. I mean, a lot of Republicans blame him for a vaccine that wound up hurting a lot of people, too. Trump stands by the vaccine, but it's got some problems. There's no question. Yeah, I didn't know that people blamed him for that. I mean, that the vaccine was a way to theoretically open up the country. They wouldn't open it up without that. Well, that's what people who don't live in places like New York don't get is like, I lived in New York and this is going down. And it's like, you couldn't go anywhere.

No, nowhere. That's when I moved to Miami. Like I, during the COVID, I was in New York, moved to Miami. I basically stayed there. You were like a hostage in your own apartment if you didn't get the damn vaccine. I regret it though. I wish I had gotten one of the fake cards. That was such the obvious solution. I'm like a goody two shoes. I don't know why I didn't do it. I was fake card city. Shit. Well, you just did it yourself or like, well, I, I, luckily I work in a media company. I still don't know. That's how afraid I am the one I'm like, ah, I never had it. But, uh, yeah, I just said we have graphics team. So we just got a copy of the actual card and made fakes. You know, my doctor said to me at the time, I'm like, should I be worried about these mRNA vaccines?

And he goes, would you take the mRNA vaccine if it could prevent pancreatic cancer? Because that's the future, which was a don't be worried. Yeah. And so I was like, okay, I trust my doctor. You know, so I did it. And I regret doing it. I wasn't so much worried. It's just like, I don't want to do it.

I'll get the card. I was worried. There was rumors at one point that they were going to start scanning the barcodes, in which case you would have been caught. Fake would have no longer worked, but yeah, I was traveling and working in a lot of places.

You, you could, but no one looked at it closely. It's like, boop, boop, boop, boop.

Yeah. So very easy. Okay. On the subject of the Kamala Harris soundbite, where she said, you, we've got to be like the elephants to protect the most vulnerable. Right. The most vulnerable. The larger context of her remarks are about illegal immigration and what's being done right now to deport these alleged gang members.

What's so insane is they are not the most vulnerable. We are the most vulnerable, in particular women and children who tend to be the victims of these gang members. What's so insane is they are not the most vulnerable. We are the most vulnerable, in particular, women and children who tend to be the victims of these gang members. People like Lake and Riley down in Georgia, like Jocelyn Ngaro, 12-year-old down in Texas. We've seen the names in the media. Those are the most vulnerable. That's what Trump is trying to do to protect the innocent Americans that are the prey of these people who are being deported. And I did ask Tulsi about the screening that's being done because the Democrats would have you believe it's willy-nilly. It's like you've got brown skin and the wrong tattoo, you're out. And she explained that they are identifying these Trenda, Aragua, and MS-13, and even

Sinaloa cartel members, largely with the help of the DEA, which is up to its neck in gang information 501. They know who these guys are. They track them. They monitor them. All it needed was for somebody to call them up and say, who are they and where are they and figure out which ones are foreign. They're not all foreign. And which ones are American? And on top of that, they have lengthy FBI investigations of these people. So I thought that was interesting too, that it is not just like, gee, you're brown, you're out. But there was news about their most famous poster boy, Abrego Garcia, Kilmar Abrego Garcia yesterday, the one who Chris Van Hollen had margaritas with. It turns out this guy, we knew that he had been accused of beating his wife by his wife. Well, a second report came out of the same, more beatings, in which she sought a protective order, not just as previously reported in 2021, but earlier in August of 2020, she moved for a protective order back then.

The details reveal a fight they had with this woman, his wife, alleging that he took her phone, demanded her car keys before flying into a rage. She went upstairs to cook breakfast for the kids, but he shut off the stove, locked the children in their bedroom. They were crying. She got her phone from the car, called 911. He locked her out of the house. He smashed her phone. She checked the boxes for acts of abuse, including kicking, slapping, shoving, mental injury of a child, detaining against one's will. She could hear the babies crying as he locked them in and he was after her. Me and my kids are afraid now. He kicked me. He pushed me. He slapped me in the face. He threatened me. I have photos of all the bruises left in my body. Police came. He acted violent with them, broke my phone in front of them. I have a recording. He told my ex-mother-in-law that even if he kills me, no one can do anything to him. In March of 2020, we now find out. She said he pushed me against the wall. He broke a phone, a TV, and damaged the walls. November of 19, he grabbed me by the hair in the car. December of 19, he grabbed me by the hair in the car. He dragged me out of the car, leaving me in the street. And then she rescinded the motion for the protective order, as virtually all domestic violence abuse victims do. wife now, but in 2018, his girlfriend. She had an ex-husband. His name is Edwin Trejo Ramos. He's currently incarcerated in Maryland. This is all a very nice crowd. But he at the time

sought an emergency court hearing to get custody of his children with this woman saying she tried to kill herself. She left the kids with an 11-year-old to take care of them. And I'm afraid of my kids' lives being in danger because quote, she is dating a gang member who was at that time. We understand a break. Oh, Garcia. So this is the poster boy, the most vulnerable Kamala Harris might say. Yeah. So in this case in particular, to me in a weird way, crystallizes some of like what i go through with like the politics because i actually get to a degree the democrat now not him and this is where i go on this like for the democrats and the guy from maryland to fly down and meet with him and then make this guy the poster child which i think most intelligent people can be like this is a bad guy he's not a citizen

i have no problem I want him out. That is what we want out of this country. It doesn't matter the color of your skin. If you're not an American citizen and you have this rap and this track record. And you've been deported. He had an order of removal. They just said just not to El Salvador. Now, so I agree with all that. So to me, when I saw the Maryland guy going, I'm like, why is this guy the guy you're going to take a stand for and fight for?

Because we don't – like he's a bad guy. But at the same time, I can – all that research, I can understand it even with something like this. If you hit – you're going to hit – you're going to bat a thousand. If you're going to pick somebody and deport them. And if you just pick the wrong guy once with no due process, nothing, that's a major issue. Like you append somebody, I don't even care. You say they're an illegal, but they're like a great person and they're actually contributing to me, just picking them up, getting rid of them. That I'd have a problem with that. So, so but you you want them to have a hearing something due process so where is that the fact like they're i'm not sympathizing with democrats or the guy from

maryland because you're using the poster child of what trump ran on and we want him out and he got a hearing yes he got a hearing when we deported him the first time but when you're doing it mass after you just can't ever make a mistake so i understand that logic a little bit just not with this guy no you're reflecting the view of most americans according to the latest polls where they are in favor of trump's plan but they do want to see some due process and it's hard and how do you do that with so many people and without – so one of the things about politics, it's not always the easiest thing to come up with like an answer because you've got to run a country and it's backed up. So what would happen? But I do – the Democrats constantly like, OK, this is an issue. I sort of – the logic behind it, but you're not being sincere when this is your poster child.

Because take out politics. There's nobody. You see this story a lot. All right, you can do this. You can go meet with him. Do you want him to be your next door neighbor? Right. Do you want him to be your next door neighbor or do you want him out of the country?

If that was it, you're either living next door or he's deported. Everybody. Do you want him on the trail when your 18 year old daughter goes for a run by herself exactly and that is not that's based on his rap sheet nothing more in the gang stuff so that's where they lose me because it's the the find me a way to make sure we can get 100 but that guy is 100 based on the on on the the rap sheet and why this is where they put their flag in the mud. When the only dispute about this guy is the fact that he technically wasn't supposed to be deported to El Salvador, but he was ruled deportable.

Yeah. The only reason he wasn't deported is because we were lame, we didn't have the resources, and we didn't do it, which is the truth for 20 million illegals. The only controversial piece about this guy is that his order of removal said just not to El Salvador because he's claiming he'll get killed by gangs there. That's it. That's what they've thrown their lot behind. I do want to get to the larger issue, though. You're right over the target, how Americans are struggling with, well, what is required? Because we know there was no due process when they came into the country for us when it comes to our rights to be safe and not have to put them on

the public dole and pay for their lives and their health care and all this. However, here's the thing. They don't get the same due process as an American citizen would before we took away their liberty in any way, whether it's for trying to deport them for some reason or putting them through the criminal justice system. And what appears to be true in the immigration context, what is true is it's a much lower level of, quote, due process that they're entitled to. And what most people don't know, including Terry Moran, who was one of the lead anchors over at ABC, and I'm going to show you the soundbite of him and Trump, is that in many cases, no due process is okay. None. It's under this thing called expedited

removal, which all presidents have used. Trump expanded expedited removal and you don't get any hearing under it. It was used even under Biden to say at the border, okay, if you show up, we can just turn you around. We don't have to give you a hearing. And the only way you get a hearing is if you say, no, no, no, I'm an asylum seeker. And that's true under Trump too. But let me just show you Terry Moran, because who clearly has waded in to legal matters that he is not qualified to speak on because he tried understanding what I just explained to be the law. Watch him try to pin down Trump. And Trump, I'm telling you, Trump is a clever mofo. Just when you think he's like focused on like the UFC and like his polls, he knows the nuances even of laws like this.

Watch where he dodges on this attempt to pin him down. He knows about expedited removal. He knows about the lower standard on due process. And he doesn't allow Terry Moran one inch. It's not nine. Do you acknowledge that under our law, every single person who gets deported gets a hearing first to make their case? Well, are we talking about people that are citizens of our country or not? No, you're not deporting citizens at this point. Well, let me ask you, did they get hearings when Biden allowed 21 million, because I think the number is 20 million people to flow into our country. Did we give them a hearing when they came in? Well, the law requires that every

single person who is going to be deported gets a hearing first. Do you acknowledge that? I'll have to ask the lawyers about that. All I can say is this. If you're going to have 21 million people and we have to get a lot of them out- The law is the law, sir. The law is the law. The law is the law. The law doesn't say anything about trials. No, not trials.

Hearings. I said hearings. If these people came in, they're not citizens. They came in illegally. They came into our country illegally. We have to get them out. There's a legal process for that. I can't be sure.

And we follow the legal process. I can't have a trial, a major to get them out. There's a legal process for that. I can't, sure, and we follow the legal process. I can't have a trial, a major trial, for every person that came in illegally. We have thousands of murderers that came in. We have to get them out. We have to get them out fast. Really bad guys. But in our country, even bad guys get due process, right?

If people come into our country illegally, there's a different standard. These are illegal. They came in illegally. But they get due process. Well, they get a process where we have to get them out. Trump was right with every word. Yeah. Terry Moran was in the wrong. I don't know whether he's a lawyer or not. I am. I practiced law for 10 years and covered the Supreme Court for three. It is not true that everybody gets a hearing. It is not the law. Just Google. Go ahead and don't take my word. Google expedited removal. To me, it's not even necessarily a legal issue. It becomes a little bit, for me, a human issue in the sense of, I get it. They came in the country

illegally. But that's our fault. That's our fault to a degree for not having the right setup. And if I'm having a horrible life somewhere else and I know I can get into this country and it's like, well, the guys before me, they were wrong. They set this up and you didn't get in fairly and you've been living a very productive life here and you've made the most of it to append it and send it i'm not saying that's what we're going through that just goes back to my you better be right like and i i'm not saying i'm that's the legal like we they trump may have every legal argument to be like sorry you're gone but reversing time to be like well you

shouldn't have gotten in here. And even though you came for the right reasons, the American dream and all this stuff, now you're gone because the last guy shouldn't, that's where I get. So you just got to be right. Get like, and I don't know how to do it because he's right.

The trials, the time, all of it. And it's just a moral issue that I wrestle with a little bit. I hear you. I'm definitely further to the right than you are on it, but I totally get your point. I'll also say that that's, this is another reason why Trump is using the Alien Enemies Act, because under the Alien Enemies Act, the amount of due process one would

get before being ejected is down to its most minuscule level. And even the Supreme Court intimated that the first time it looked at this, saying some level of due process. They clearly understand it's not going to be as robust as the ACLU wants it to be. And even full circle to the original, the guy, the gang guy who got El Salvador, hearing how I feel, you just heard and you're like, well, I'm more right than you are. The way they've treated that guy has once again pushed me right. It's like, that's who I want out of the country. And if you're going to fight that, well, like you're losing somebody who theoretically get is more maybe center, almost leftish.

But I want those people out of the country. So for the Democrats to again make a circus and just political this. What are you doing going to meet with this guy? Like, yeah, that's what drives me. And yet you didn't go and meet with the family of Rachel Morin, who was killed in your state. And they're not standing by a different illegal. Yeah, you didn't. Here is Stephen Miller took to the White House podium yesterday and spoke about the Jocelyn Nungari case, which I met the 12 year old girl in Texas and just ripped it.

Watch. Most of your papers never covered her story when it happened. To the extent that you covered it at all, it was because President Trump forced you to cover it by highlighting it repeatedly over and over again. He had to shame you into covering it. And each and every one of you that sides over and over again with these MS-13 terrorists, to the extent that you have the financial means to do so, you all choose to live in condos or homes or houses as far away from these kinds of gang bangers as you possibly can. If I offered any one of you a rent-free home with no taxes to pay in any of these gang neighborhoods, and I said, your neighbors are MS-13 terrorists or Mexican

mafia or Sinaloa cartel or Tren de ragua. I couldn't pay you to live there. But yet you with your coverage are trying to force innocent Americans to have these people as their neighbors and that one day their daughter may be abducted from their home and raped and murdered. So you're not going to get an ounce of sympathy from this administration or President Trump for the terrorists who've invaded our homes in our country. He's so good. Yeah, I mean, it's a fair point. That's softened you at all? I'm so with him on that. No, that goes back to what I said.

If you said they're your neighbor, there's a lot of hypocritical. It's easy when you're sitting in your white ivory tower to say, you know, your idealistic world of the way you want the world to exist. But when the rubber meets the road, they would probably privately say a lot of different things or do different things. Rachel Moran's mom was talking about how she went for a jog on a trail that they always walk together. It wasn't like some risky trail. It wasn't the dark of night. It was during the day. They'd done it a thousand times together as a family. It's like our way of life is actively being changed, corrupted, ruined.

Her mom's life is changed forever, right, by these people. And so it's like I have to tell you, I have like zero empathy. And I'm sorry that the ones who came, even though it was illegal and didn't hurt anybody, but like actually tried to like blend in and get jobs have got to go to, but they do. I think they all have got to go. And then if they go, Trump said, if you go now, you can come back in. But if you just, if you stay and then we find out that you overstayed, you're never coming back into the country. And then, and then you're in serious trouble. Okay. I got to take a quick break. Be right back. Dave's with us for the whole show. Grand Canyon University, a private Christian university in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona,

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Tomorrow! Don't forget, tomorrow's the big day where we will show you the world premiere of our film, now that we've been, with special guest stars who you will know very well and will thoroughly enjoy. Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show, everyone. Here with me today, Dave Portnoy, president and founder of Barstool Sports, otherwise known as El Presidente. Katy Perry, among others, receiving major backlash, not for taking the flight, but for how they behaved afterward, like they actually were Alan Shepard and Neil Armstrong.

And so she's come out to say she's feeling battered and bruised by the backlash via Variety, that the internet is a dumping ground for unhinged and unhealed people. But she has resolved, Dave, to keep looking to the light because she doesn't want to be further damaged by these unhealed people. She's right. The internet is filled with unhinged lunatics. But when you do this little outer space mission, that can happen.

And I'm not going to lose much sleep worrying about Katy Perry's feelings. But she is right. It's filled with unhinged lunatics. It is. But those are not the ones who are attacking her. No, I'm sure she's getting it all sides. And I'm not again, like, what are you going to do? To me, it's just so it's just right on brand to go up there and act like you're Alan Shepard.

And then when people are like, would you calm down? You took a vanity flight to outer space. Thanks to Jeff Bezos. That costs a million dollars a seat. And stop saying, Gayle like, would you calm down? You took a vanity flight to outer space thanks to Jeff Bezos. That costs a million dollars a seat. And stop saying, Gayle King, have you been? Literally no one's been. It costs a million dollars. Shut up.

And then when people have that reaction to you to act like, I will not be bruised by you broken people. I will go toward the – just stop talking. Just stop. But somebody like that is so out of touch with like reality because they've been a star and big. I feel like if you get a celebrity like that, what? One or two is going to have any ground in any reality. They're living in a fantasy world. So nothing is real.

I'm actually surprised the internet can actually get to them. I didn't know what are they on X checking comments. That surprised me a little bit. Almost certainly. Yeah. So that is a little surprising but yeah uh they're they're you get to a level of coddled superstar status where you just lose track of reality we go to outer space we have some news on megan markel which we'll get to in just a bit okay do some exciting you too but before we leave

hard news because yeah katie perry's hard news um but i i forgot to mention this thing about pete hegseth so there's been a lot of speculation that he's going to go. Mike Walsh, for those just joining us, is reportedly out as national security advisor, along with his top deputy, Alex Wong, a man who's been underneath him there since he was sworn in. And some others, too. You heard Mark Halperin reporting that it's going to be a lot of the staff, that there's reportedly disarray over there. We don't know what the full story is, but we will. So there's speculation about whether Pete Hegseth is going to be forced out as Secretary of Defense. And I wanted to say this. So I love Mark Halpern, and he's been doing great in his new podcast. But he reported yesterday on Hegseth, and there was a bit of information in there involving yours truly, and I want to speak to it. So watch this. Pete Hegseth, okay? The story's about him. There's still some ambiguity about the facts, but people in MAGA pretend there's not a problem, and he's done a very good job

of playing by the rules that the president expects of being aggressive. What I can report here today is that his standing in the administration is not as solid as some people believe, and as the president and the White House press secretary have tried to signal. There are people at the senior most levels of this administration, not counting the president necessarily, but the senior most levels under him who believe that the next time Pete Hegseth makes a mistake or is exposed to have made a mistake, he needs to go. And there are already plans underway to figure that out. Now, what are the public clues to that? Because MAGA has been pretty supportive of Pete Hegseth. Two people

who are part of the very strong outside support group of the president, Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly here at the Megyn Kelly Network. They've both now done interviews with the advisors who were forced out of their Pentagon jobs and who both have said things about Pete Higgs that that are not fully supportive. They like him. They're close to him. But they both have made it clear that they see real problems in his governance and his stewardship at the Pentagon. That's a clue. And I keep being pointed to that clue by folks to say, if two allies of the president and two people very close to Pete Hegseth, Megan and Tucker, are doing these interviews, something is afoot. OK, fair enough. I understand why people are making that calculation. Are you in that category? You're the very public strong. Are you like?

Yeah, I'm a friend of Pete's and I supported his nomination and thought what they were trying to do to him. And Trump. Yeah, Trump, too. Totally. and I'm trying to push him over the edge. It's totally not the case at all. I'm just a news person. And they actually came to me and asked me if they could come on. Originally, it was all three of them. And then two of them got tapped on the shoulder by their lawyers, which I understand. But Colin was like, I'm doing it. So I'm like, fine, great. I mean, I'll interview Pete. I'll interview the guy Pete fired.

I'll interview pretty much anybody you want to put in front of me unless I have a personal loathing for them. So just to make it clear that no one should be reading anything into what I know or what I want based on the fact that I interviewed Colin. That would be a pretty big one eight just publicly like last week weren't they like it's all there's no all the rumors are false and he's in great standing yeah well and even Trump in that Terry Moran interview he spoke to it well you tell me what you think of how he answered the question on Pete um you've got it Deb we'll watch it. Eleven. You said the other day that you had a talk with the secretary. Did you take him to the woodshed? I had a talk with him. And whatever I said, I probably wouldn't be inclined to tell you. But we had a good talk. He's a talented guy. He's young, smart, highly educated.

And I think he's going to be a very good defense, hopefully a great defense secretary, but he'll be a very good defense secretary. You have 100% confidence in- I don't have 100% confidence in anything, okay? Anything, do I have 100%? It's a stupid question. Look- It's a pretty important position. No, no, no, you don't have a hundred percent only a liar would say i

have a hundred percent confidence i don't have a hundred percent confidence that we're going to finish this interview that that that to me was by the way that's why i like people like trump the way he answered that but he definitely took him to the woodshed he definitely took him to the woodshed and probably said if you embarrass me or the administration on a major level one more time you're gone i don't want to i think he likes him and does not want to get rid of him but he's clear like you're out of your strike two has happened i think that would be the vibe of the conversation i think that's fair yeah that's fair and that's a fair way by the way to to talk to somebody like if you i've had to fire people at barstool who i like it but if you're just dumb and you keep screwing up i'm not gonna lose sleep over your

incompetence as much as i want to keep you i'm not saying that's pete but i'm saying as a leader at some point it doesn't matter your personal feelings if you keep screwing up you gotta go what will get you fired at barstool you really have to, you really have to be super, super dumb. Very few things. Like we recently teetered. There was a big news story. Like there was a vicious rumor of a old miss, like co-ed slept with her boyfriend's dad. Went crazy viral.

Yes. Crazy viral. We had an idiot who talked about it as though it was fact. I knew it wasn't fact right away. I actually thought we were keeping it off, but we posted it for seven minutes. Gets us in all sorts of trouble. This kid's a moron. Shout out, Nicky Smokes.

No redeemable value, really, to us. But I do like him. And he tries hard. He's just dumb. That almost got him fired. And he tries hard. He's just dumb. That almost got him fired. Oh, my God. He's working for you and you're talking about him like this. Well, that's the truth.

This is somebody who you stayed, who you kept. Yeah, he works for us. It's good to be benevolent on a big mistake, though, because if you can be, he'll never do something like that again. Well, unless you're so stupid that you can't prevent it despite your best. We're not hiring the Secretary of Defense. These are – we're Barstool Sports. We're blogging and talking sports. So sometimes intelligence isn't necessarily a top requirement for us.

Okay. It's being entertaining. I got it. Fair enough. Well, it's a world that's very foreign to me, very foreign to me. So you're going to have to walk me through our next two segments here. Okay. We got to talk about Bill Bel through our next two segments here. Okay. We got to talk about Bill Belichick.

You ripped him. Okay. I mean, I thought it was elder abuse. I like, honestly, what I saw there was Dr. Jill had Dr.

Jill vibes, this overly aggressive, younger partner. Who's in this, like, apparently he looked infirm to me the way he was answering those questions. Like man, who's being a take advantage of,

and all I could think was his family needs to do an intervention and get this woman off of his back but can you set the stage for us on like what what's happening with this guy i'll start by saying i am a diehard new england patriots fan yeah you're from boston diehard i love bill belichick he's like my guy has brought so many championships i know him personally he lives on nantucket i live on nantucket i've met jordan so it's a very awkward thing to see i also watch that show cbs sunday morning with the interview it's like my feel-good show i just like it i like nature there's some politics whatever but for the most part that is a drink your coffee eat your bagel feel good show so i was not expecting this interview i was squirming i don't know what to expect i don't know what to think about it uh it certainly was awkward i've heard

people say you know is she taking advantage of him well he's taking advantage of her he's sleeping with a a very attractive young girl 50 years younger i don't know why she's so involved like i really don't um i've met her she's nice enough it she's running the whole show i've known that a couple months ago how so like she every every piece of bill belichick business goes through her like she is basically let she would act like if that was maybe not in a romantic relationship and that's his pr manager or like an agent yeah nobody's blinking at that like that happens i'm sure a lot with celebs who are not going to talk about it now you combine it with bill belichick who's gruff with the media and generally always handles himself it's just a very awkward situation the age gap is huge clearly

but she runs the show there's rumors hard knockss for HBO was supposed to do North Carolina. She shut that down. That's where he's the coach now. Yeah, he's the coach there. So it's just such a juxtaposition of a guy who seemingly had no media savvy but was always just straight forward, no time for the media. Now having his life run by a 25 year old,

it certainly is eyeopening for a guy like me. I also know I'm going to run into probably them in Nantucket. And I'm going to be carrying my watermelon out of stop and shop. And I don't want it to be an awkward conversation. Just blame it all on me. Blame it all on me. But it went super viral. I mean, it's all anybody's talking about.

It's all, because it's just such a departure from how a sports fan, Patriot fan, everybody thought of Bill Belichick. Can you, so explain that to me, because we watched the, I come into this like at a left field. I know who he is, of course, even I know who Bill Belichick is.

He's the greatest coach of all time. But I don't follow his, you know, I didn't know about the girlfriend and all that. To me, he looked out of it like he seemed confused. But I've never, ever seen him give an interview. Yeah, so I've seen a lot of people, like, he's wearing a holy sweatshirt. That's what he does. Like, that is his look.

Does he talk like that? Like, does he look confused generally? He generally, if he doesn't want to answer a question, he grumbles. He says, I'm not going to answer that. He's famous for not answering questions. He's never media savvy. Him going on a book tour, which is what he was doing, seems like the last thing he would ever do in a million years. If she wasn't there, I would anticipate him just being like, I'm not going to answer it. He's rarely conducting interviews that he has no interest in. He just doesn't care for the media or what they think.

The thing that he said that was the most accurate is probably like, I don't care what people think about me. And clearly he doesn't. But I've never seen him defer to anybody like that. That is shocking. You know, like if someone else is speaking for him that never happens he speaks for himself loudly through his actions clearly and is always like a general in in the commander of the room really so to see him basically give what appears to be control of his life to her is shocking any most the audience probably seen the clip by now,

but just in case they haven't, let's play it for them. Let's play the one where she interrupts. This is a bill Belichick on CBS this morning with anchor, Tony Docapool and his 24 year old girlfriend. Who's 49 years younger than he is interrupting the interview. Watch. The other change for Belichick is 24-year-old Jordan Hudson, his creative muse,

as he writes in his book. Jordan was a constant presence during our interview. You have Jordan right over there. Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship. They've got an opinion about your private life. It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it. How do you deal with that? Never been too worried about what everybody else thinks. Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right. How did you guys? Not talking about this. No, no. It's a topic neither one of them is comfortable commenting on. OK, so now she said he's how did you meet and she interjects not count commenting about this and there are reports that she actually

interjected multiple times cbs only chose to show the one just to give the audience a true sense of what how this thing and it's about the book and and to cbs's defense she that quote that he she is the muse is in the book. It's in the book. Yeah, exactly. So now this fight started unfolding online. This is via the Daily Mail involving Belichick's daughter-in-law. She's married to his son. And her name is Jennifer.

She's married to his son, Steve Belichick. Some people were defending Jordan, the girlfriend. For example, somebody posted, oh, former New England Patriots star Julian Edelman. Saw that. You know him. Yep. Stuck up for her saying she was merely acting how any PR person would. Comedian Nikki Glaser also defended Hudson saying 100% she's acting as his publicist. Publicists do this during interviews.

People are out for blood. And first of all, I'll tell you what Jennifer, the daughter-in-law said, but I have done countless interviews, countless. I've both given as the subject of them and done, conducted. Literally has this, never, I've never seen this happen. Never. The PR people will come to you before the interview and they will beg you not to cover this.

Or ask after for it to be cut. Yes, exactly. That's their job. As a journalist, and Tony Deokopoul is a journalist, you would say, thank you for your input. That's it. You would never make a promise, ever. It's literally considered unethical to say,

I won't ask about that. You know, at most I've ever heard somebody say is, we can't make you any promises, but, you know, we're not that interested in that subject, like a wink and a nod. But never, never has a PR person ever interviewed, interjected into an interview like that. In the middle of it. It's very unusual. We get people asking, if someone doesn't want to talk about it, because people generally want to talk about what you are asking not to talk about, so we won't do it.

It's strange. I don't agree with that. It was strange. It's different rules if don't agree with that. It was strange. It's different rules if it's like a host. You know what I mean? If you're sitting with somebody who doesn't consider themselves a journalist, very different. And by the way, this is how talk shows get away with it all the time.

I've been asked to go on a bunch of talk shows, including Tamron Hall's like five years ago, and her executive producer said, we'll give you all the questions in advance. I'm like, I'm not doing that. I felt like I don't want that. Yeah, right. So she got away with it because they consider that a talk show, but she's not, I guess,

calling herself a journalist anymore. At least wasn't for that show. Okay. So then Jennifer, Belichick's daughter-in-law weighs in and says, publicists act in a professional matter and do not storm on storm offset delaying an interview. Yeah i know them too this is all like uh and that probably tells you everything you need to know about how the family and that's natural there's a story that came out in the new york post i think yesterday that she accumulated like 10 million dollars of real estate very quickly so i'm sure the family based on that quote is a little like what is going on here and it's just this is a guy that is not a pushover. He has built his reputation on being like a gruff kind of guy who needs everything particular and detail-oriented.

It's just very strange to see. He's the guy Tim Walsh was trying to convince us he was. No jazz hands. Yeah. Football. I don't even know if he was the guy. Yeah, he was trying to, I think, be more like a gronk guy, but who knows? Well, there's more.

So he – you know about this because I saw you commented on it. So Bill Belichick posted a statement on the UNC, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill is where he coaches, right? Chapel Hill. Yep. And he wrote as follows. I agreed to speak with CBS Sunday morning to promote my new book, The Art of Winning. Prior to the interview, I clearly communicated with my publicist. So he's not even saying he told Tony Docapool or the CBS publicist.

I clearly communicated with my publicist at Simon & Schuster that any promotional interviews I participated in would agree to focus solely on the contents of the book. Unfortunately, that expectation was not honored during the interview. I was surprised when unrelated topics were introduced, and I repeatedly expressed to the reporter, Tony Dokepole, and the producers that I preferred to keep the conversation centered on the book. After this occurred several times, Jordan, with whom I share both a personal and professional relationship, stepped in to reiterate that point and help refocus the discussion. She was not deflecting any specific question or topic. I'm sorry, Bill, but she was, but was simply doing her job to ensure the interview stayed on track. Some of the clips

made it appear as though we were avoiding the question of how we met, but we've been open about the fact that Jordan and I met on a flight to Palm Beach in 2021. And it goes on for them saying these are just selectively edited clips, suggested a false narrative that Jordan was attempting to control the conversation, which is simply not true. Yeah, I'm like white knuckle in the table. In my years following Bill Belichick, I would say my knowledge of him, there's roughly 0% chance he wrote that. He just doesn't care generally what anyone thinks about him so to go write that that my guess would be jordan wrote that the fact it is on the north

carolina website is insane right it's just insane um it's shocking again it's i'm speaking to all patriot fans boston people this guy like if you could have predicted this, people would say you're living in a bizarro world. It's just so strange and this long email, crazy, the public statement, crazy. But I'm not even sure he knows that was written. You're right. Like he may not. He may not. I really don't know. So the Daily Mail had a comprehensive piece and they cited the New York Post as reporting even before this past weekend's interview.

Belichick's friends shaking their heads about his relationship with Jordan. Quote, they're talking to him about her, but very gently because they know how deep in it he is. She saw an opening and she took it. An insider added of how she has inserted herself into every aspect of his life and career. Consensus among people around Belichick. Another source said is that this relationship is alarming and Hudson is a runaway train. However, they include one person defending them saying, um, when it comes to the situation in, it is just a moment in time, he and Jordan are fine. Nobody should be concerned at this point. But then they also say multiple reports say UNC is growing uneasy

with her involvement in everything around her. Yeah, so, there's an adage in sports, winning cures everything. If North Carolina wins, people are going to forget this. Yeah.

And North Carolina will be happy and look the other way. If North Carolina has a bad season, it's going to get very rocky. It is not, I don don't think normal for a relatively new relationship with this age gap with the eight of someone coming in running his entire life and like CBS and hard knocks supposedly got canceled because of her it's it's just shocking it's just shocking there's all being fought and headlines and rumors and back and forth.

And by the way, to Jordan's credit, she's, if you want to say credit, she's not taking a step backwards. Like, every time a story comes out, she's pushing forwards. Like, she is not a tame flower. She is not running from this at all. She's running from how they met. That seems clear. And in my opinion, they did they did not quote meet on a plane i think they did because i think they laid eyes on each other in person for the first time on a

plane but she's so defensive about it there's something more to the story i don't know what it was was it only fans was it some setup by a matchmaker they're telling the truth i just think she's in control in her mind she's like we said we're not talking about that we're not talking about it because from the second i met them the story has been told the same to me she posted how they met a long time ago i know you think that's a front well then they met through so she's fauci to you she's a criminal she's like a criminal mastermind no i mean listen i view her the same way i viewed anna nicole. Like, everyone understands what the deal here is. He's an older guy with money and power, which some women find, if not attractive, worthy of being with. They can upgrade their lifestyle.

They're going to travel the world. And the old guy gets some young, beautiful woman on his arm and probably a lot of hot sex he otherwise wouldn't be having. Yeah. I mean, could he not? Could he not just get hookers if he didn't want? I don't know. I mean, Anna Nicole, I don't remember. That guy was like on his death's door.

He was like 200 years old. Yeah, he couldn't even get up. Like Belichick is still, outside of this, seems to be normally functioning. You have a new 24-year-old girl wants a 74-year-old man. I mean, that's not what you're attracted to. To me, it's an obvious attempt to be with power and money. It's mean, that's not what you're attracted to. To me, it's an obvious attempt to be with power and money. It's like, look, a lot of women do that.

Yeah. Maybe she's legitimately attracted to it. I don't know. The whole thing, the whole thing is- Makes you uncomfortable. It's just, it's stunning. It is stunning. Okay, wait. Before we leave the topic of the Patriots, I remember asking you about this the first time you came out. You were on one other time, a long time before. I think we only had audio at the time. Do you hate or love Tom Brady? Love.

Love. Okay. Yeah. I may have spoken with you when he went to the Bucs. Okay. I was mad at him. Maybe that's what happened. Yeah, but he's the greatest of all time.

Okay. There's no question in your mind. No question. He's number one. Yes. And how is he doing as a sports commentator? Bad. Awful.

Not good. Oh, why? He just stinks at it. What do you mean? I mean, not everybody. He's the greatest quarterback. Not everybody is born to be a great announcer. I just don't find him to be good at announcing football.

Now, he's brand new. It's his first year. They gave him a gigantic contract. But he certainly didn't come out of the gates like a natural. Didn't he have all sorts of training? I'm sure he did for the amount they paid. But again, maybe anybody can eventually become a good announcer. I don't know.

It's not the easiest thing to do, but he just didn't come out of the gates. He's almost, to me, too elevated. He's so great, like the way he talks. But no, I didn't think he did not come out all guns firing. And again, it's his first year doing it. So maybe there should be some leeway, but they paid him a ton of money. Oh yeah. I mean a ton, almost $400 million. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. It's a big time deal. Um, okay. Shadur Sanders. Yes. So this is Deion Sanders son. Yep. Deion Sanders, such a big football star,

even I know that name. Yep. Who did Deion play for? And the pros, he played for the Falcons, Cowboys, and 49ers. Okay. And he is the one, I've quoted Deion Sanders before because he had some great quote, which was something to the effect of, if you look good, you play good. If you play good, they pay good. Yep. Which I love. That's very clever and cute. But his son, who was many expected to go like, well, you tell me where in the draft, what was the expectation? I think earlier in the season, a lot of people were saying early first round, top 10 pick. And then as they got close to the draft, it started sliding. And you heard maybe end of the first round, second round is probably what people thought going because he's a big college qb yes okay and then the draft comes and walk us through how that unfolded because he was like the story that night yes so the draft comes first round comes and goes he's not drafted

uh not totally shocking um mel kuiper who is the draft guy expert, he's ranting and raving he should go. And then round two comes nothing. Round three comes nothing. So he slid, I believe, into the fourth round. How many rounds are there? There's, I think, six, six or seven, six or seven. So now he's down to the bottom. Shocking, shocking.

And players who, quarterbacks going, who I think anybody would say, well, Shador is better than him, not drafted. And it became the story and it kind of took on a life of its own with people all over the internet chiming in. Why isn't he getting drafted for various reasons? That was a story.

So I love Dion. He used to work for a barstool. He's one of my favorite guys I've ever met. There were innuendos. It's race. It's this. It's that. To me, it was none of it.

It was Shador Sanders, and the Sanders are one of the great publicity machines of all time. Like, Dion's heavily involved. Dion's saying, hey, I play in the NFL. We're picking what team we're going to. He's going to be the starter. He's this, that. So there's a lot that comes, including, you could say a circus. When you draft your door, you're putting a tent on the thing for NFL teams.

There's nothing they hate more than distractions. They're like the most everyone's focus. We don't need the distractions. Having said that, if they think a guy can help them win, you could be a murderer and they draft you that's happened literally that's all they care about but in evaluating there's a fine line between is this guy the guy and can we win with Shador and he is he the franchise if teams thought that they would have picked him instantly none of the other stuff would have mattered but he was kind of in a weird area where a lot of seems like this isn't he's not going to be a 10-year star he's not tom brady and if he's not that do we want him fighting for a backup job do we want microphones in his face and because that's a

circus the last thing you want that's what i believe happens so if you didn't think he was the starter in a top five pick do you want him in your locker room, creating a circus environment? And he kind of got caught in the middle. And that's when he dropped all the way to Cleveland. Now, if you're Cleveland or any team dropping them fourth, fifth drafting and fourth,

fifth round, you're like, you know what? Enough. We're getting microphones. He's not who we think he is. You just cut him. It's not the end of the world because you didn't waste the top draft pick.

If you take him early and it doesn't work, you're stuck with him, really, because you can't waste the draft pick. So I think that's what happened. All the other innuendo around it is garbage to me. Why is President Trump involved? He tweeted somebody should take him, or what happened there? He must be friends with Dion.

I mean, yeah. During the draft, he tweeted. Yeah, when he was slipping, Trump, I mean, Trump loves talking football. He owned a football team. He likes jumping in in these discussions. I think sometimes Trump just can't handle, like, having X in front of him. He's like, how are they not? He's like a fan.

And he's president, though. But I don't think he thought anything. He's like, oh, I'm friends with Dion, and I'm going to say he should be drafted. Is it inappropriate? i like it like do people think he was putting inappropriate pressure on teams as the president no i i kind of like it it's it depends what he's doing but that's that's trump i mean i thought it's funny controversy out of everything trump does okay but back to this because so stephen a smith was on the show not long ago and he posted something that i i know you disagreed with but explain it to me. So he posted, someone just texted me this message, and they're absolutely correct. Quote, this is a bad look for the NFL. This feels like Kaepernick-level collusion. All the hard work the NFL League office puts into eradicate these kinds of perceptions only to turn around and watch as the owners look like they're colluding, messing up everything. What has been done to Shador will outshine everything else in this draft.

We'll never believe this is just about talent evaluation again. And that does seem to be a reference to race. Yeah, I mean, I don't know why you'd bring in Kaepernick and what they're trying to, to me, I don't know why he didn't put the word racism. That's what it sounded like, racism. That's why I responded.

That's an insane take to me. That just, the owners and the nfl are arguably the most competitive group of like billionaire successful people they don't like each other they want to win they would never collude they never collude if you if they thought chador could get them a super bowl, they would do whatever. So to me, that's just an absolutely insane take. It's just when you're drafting guys, not just strictly talent, you're looking at all the things that are surrounding them. Who was the first draft pick this year? It was Cam Ward as a black quarterback.

Okay. So it's like, I mean. And then I read that in the last three drafts, including this year, yeah, a black quarterback went number one overall. Yeah. So it's not, it has nothing to do with race at all. Who thinks the NFL is racist? What's that?

Who thinks the NFL is racist? I mean, when he says the Kaepernick stuff, he's going back to take in the, and there were some teams taking a knee, some not. I mean, Jerry Jones came out. So he's going back to that. And by the way, there is similarities to me in the Kaepernick situation in which teams just viewed Kaepernick and said, he's going back to that. And by the way, there is similarities to me in the Kaepernick situation in which teams just viewed Kaepernick and said,

he's not good enough to have a circus following him. Yeah, this is a distraction. So do you think Deion ultimately hurt his son by being such a big personality who they thought they were going to have to deal with more than they wanted to? Strictly in where he got drafted like would he have been drafted quicker if Dion if it was Dion Jones who was his dad absolutely if you ask Dion and you ask Shador are you glad Dion's there 100 he probably wouldn't be getting drafted at all media like I mean he's partying he's getting millions of dollars in endorsements and all this stuff. So it's a package deal.

But if you're just saying, would teams have drafted him without, I mean, Deion, before the draft, is like, don't draft my kid if I don't like you because I'm not going to let him sign with you. Oh, wow. Well, he's not the first one that did that. The Mannings did that.

Oh, really? Yeah, Eli Manning, they said to, I believe it was the Colts, like, if you draft him, he's not coming. And they didn't draft him. So they bullied their way. Did one of them go to the Colts? No one went to the Colts? So if you draft him, he's not coming. And they didn't draft him. So they bullied their way. Did one of them go to the Colts? No.

One went to Denver? Giants. Eli went to the Giants instead of the Colts. The Colts had the first pick. Did a Manning play for Denver? Yes, at the end of his career. When he had no arm, he couldn't throw five yards. You were right.

No. A Manning played for the Colts. Peyton played his entire career. Oh, there we go. Okay. You were right. So I was right. Was it the Colts?

I don't know. Whoever. I forget now that you say it because Peyton played for the Colts. Peyton played his entire career. Oh, there we go. Okay. You're right. So I was right. Was it the Colts? I don't know. Whoever, I forget now that you say it because Peyton played for the Colts. Wherever Eli, whoever had the first pick, maybe it was San Diego. Oh, wait. They're telling me Peyton played for the Colts. Peyton played for the Colts. Somebody had the first pick when Eli came out and Archie Manning, who played in the league, did what Dion essentially did without as much pomp and circumstance that if you draft him,

he's not going. And they didn't draft him. And John Elway has done it. So it's not Deion's just was much more loud in this era of endorsements and stuff. It's the circus. And if you don't think he's great, I probably won't want him on my team either

because I don't want that to be the focus of what everyone's talking about. Well, now we'll see, right? Yeah, now the rubber will meet the road. I think he's going to be great, so we'll see. Are the Browns any good? My friend is a diehard Browns fan. He's always complaining about how bad they are. Worst franchise, arguably, in sports.

Oh, gosh. So he's not going to be happy about this. Well, who knows? He could be the guy. Maybe he's the future. But they have the weirdest QB room. I'm getting deep. They have Deshaun Watson, the guy who had like 9,000 illegal massages. They paid him a ton of money. they drafted another quarterback before they have a wild qb room wild very cleveland i don't know that's fascinating

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and get three months free. Offer details apply. Now we've covered ground. That's more in my wheelhouse. And we've covered ground. That more in my wheelhouse and we've covered ground that's more in dave's wheelhouse and we finish on a note of solidarity that we both have strong feelings on and that is megan markle yeah so she has done the world premiere episode of actually being on someone else's podcast and the someone else is is, her name is Jamie Kern Lima. Now, I have actually interviewed this person, but I didn't realize I had interviewed this person because she founded IT Cosmetics, which I remember interviewing her at NBC.

I think it's the same lady. I could be wrong. She looks a little different. But anyway, she was a news anchor, and she realized that you have a need for like cosmetics that are a little bit thicker because of the cleeg lights and all that and her brand became a billion dollar brand and she sold it to l'oreal for 1.2 billion in 2016 news anchor right yeah makeup yeah yeah no one offered me makeup at all here it's good stuff we sold you down the river so she now has a podcast and is also apparently friends with Megan. And in the world premiere of podcast, Megan, Duchess of Sussex, she pulled out all the stops.

Here is the intro of the episode. Look at this. Megan, Duchess of Sussex in her first ever podcast interview. It's happening. It's not about the grandeur of a gesture. It's about I see you. I'm nurturing you and I see you so deeply and I love being able to see your growth. Of all things, it's making me emotional.

I have full body chills right now. For them to be able to look back and go, oh my gosh, she has loved us so much. She's an American member of the British Royal family, an entrepreneur, author, actor, founder of the lifestyle brand As Ever that just sold out of stock completely in the first hour of its recent launch into the world.

She's also a mom to her two beautiful kids, Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet, and wife to husband, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex. Oh my God. Why don't you like her? I just threw up a little in my mouth. What? Let me count the ways. There's nothing I like about her. Do you know her? I just threw up a little in my mouth. What? Let me count the ways. There's nothing I

like about her. Do you know her? No, but she is a malignant narcissist who cannot get enough of herself while she simultaneously plays the victim. My castle is too small. The queen is mean to me. They won't let me call myself her royal highness anymore, but I'm going to put it all over my stationery and on the gifts that I give to my friends while she never stops whining. And at the same time, I'm getting all worked up. I'm a founder. I'm over it. She's not important. She married for money. It's very clear. She bagged the elephant. She was thrilled. She became a quote princess. Well, you can. It was planned from the beginning. She denied being interested in the royal family, which she totally was. I know someone who knows the ex-husband who said she had a vision board with Prince Harry on it.

Before they met? Yes. And she wants to pretend. That's impressive. You've got to admit that is impressive. She nailed it. Yeah. Because a lot of people probably did that.

It was like shooting fish in a barrel. With all that self-help talk, he was no match for her. So I, as we unpack like an onion some of the things i'm interested i actually like the royal family i think it's cool so that's another thing she killed the queen she did kill the queen my opinion i i don't i agree with you i can't have someone marry into the royal family and be like woe is me of all these attention or whatever you're getting from me. And it's no, no kidding.

It's the royal family. I can't believe I'm not getting paid. Yeah. All this stuff. And then they, didn't they renounce their royalty, but they still want the royalty. So it is hypocritical to get into that situation and want nothing to do with

it, but you do want anything to do with it. I don't have as strong of feelings as you do for her i don't care for her i wouldn't put her in a hate category of mine i don't like her i didn't see that interview but yeah i i'm a royals guy so i like the royal i think it's kind of cool the history the pageantry and just come in and kind of blow it up and then cry it's like whoa and she's a bully mean, the reports were uniformly from inside the castle that all the young women in particular who work for her quit in tears. She so wore them down. It was so nasty.

Then when she started her own company, similar reports coming out from Montecito about how knowing can work for her. She's a nightmare behind the scenes. And not toward the betterment of her staff, just because she's an insecure person who takes it out on other people what was up with the no makeup that had to be an intentional that's another thing maureen was saying this on her maureen callahan has a new podcast for part of our network and with the makeup lady yeah and exactly right and it's bullshit so first of all she had the hair blown out it was perfect i do not believe that she was makeup free there she didn't have eye makeup on which is a different thing. But that's her being relatable, Dave. She's relatable. The intentional relatable. Yeah. So here she is talking about the joy. Is she on like your top 10 hate list? Oh yeah. She's top

five. The joy of working hard. I'm sure she's really toiling away. Take a listen. But to the world, it's just, what has she been doing? Does she work? As opposed to, oh my gosh, I work so hard and I appreciate what hard work looks like. I like working hard. And I'm still working hard, right? The moment that everything sells out, it doesn't mean that we're done. It means we're working on replenishment and what are the next SKUs and what's the next tranche of products and what's the timing on that

and writing the newsletters and writing the social media captions and making sure that all that peels in line and what's the cadence of it and what's the photography that we want to do and what do I want to wear for those shoots while also editing all the time coding notes for season two with Love Megan

and then editing edits for the podcast and making and being a mom and a wife and a friend. Those are all jobs. I mean, I love being that busy, but I do think it's really interesting when people have no sense of what goes into

the thing. It's like between two ferns almost, the way she's hosting it. Huge. The thing's not done. The finish line was really the starting okay we get it yes go that that that would infuriate me like as someone who's trying to start a business struggling because like you can't fail like you're you're if you're selling i don't know what she're selling, I don't know what she's selling candles. I don't know what she's selling. Jam. Jam. Like you're, you're in the Royal family. So to, to this headstart that you have and then complain about working hard, it's like you're in the Royal family.

So to, to complain about, oh, the business, you don't have to, if you don't want to show up, if you don't want to do the schedule, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do. You're living in a fan, literally like a fantasy tale of but i the other the host what's happening with her you actually didn't if people didn't know who was who i think people be focusing on the host the expression yeah yeah it was between two ferns yeah so yeah i don't know i don't hate her as much as you but it's really it's like a love to hate situation i don't have actual hatred for her.

I have that for very few people. It's a small list, but she's not on it. But I just can't stand her. I just think she's such a phony. I love to make fun of her because she continues to give me so much material. She comes across as a phony in that. Both of them. I've got to show you one more on that.

Okay, look, this is a short one. SOT 29. Look at this ridiculousness. Your close friends and family, so many of them call you M and Harry H. Yes. How did that start? And tell me about that. Probably at the beginning of us dating when everything was in code.

Code, yeah. People didn't know we were dating before. She's the problem. What about memory lane? So long ago. I mean, it'll be our seven-year wedding anniversary soon. I couldn't tell anyone who I was dating and who I was keeping. So I think we were just on a letter basis. Yeah.

And then it stuck. It stuck. It stuck. It was their code. Their super stealthy code. M and H. Like when I call Doug, Bug. It's ridiculous.

That's like choosing your alias as a famous person and it's John Smith. Will that podcast have like crazy numbers because she's on it? Like, does she move the needle like that? I have no idea. But if it does, it's going to be at least two-thirds hate listeners like me.

Yeah. I mean, I actually, again, I think I'll be overshadowed by the interviewer who looks like on outer space. Yes. And so bizarre with the weird blush. And the makeup to no makeup. So speaking of podcast success,

do you have any advice for me? You've grown this huge- Yours is killing it, right? Well, I only have two in the MK podcast network so so far oh you're getting you're talking adding yeah adding like a network like you know you have a network at barstool yeah so do you well are you focused on news yes news culture you know everything related to news yeah i don't know it's not sports so we've always just looked for different things like that that try to find something talented people and find things that i haven't seen

necessarily before so like call her daddy which i'm surprised i don't see the big signs around here yeah you found that yeah she went on to become extremely and i hadn't seen anything like that like it wasn't my cup of tea but but it was like, oh, this is different. And we've been very successful for that. But it is trying to get out of, I guess, a network sense. It's like, and I'm sure it would be similar with you. If I see something and it catches me for more than a minute or two, it's like, I'm interested in this. That's a good start. We've certainly been wrong a lot. It's a band label for us, kind of like a band label, sign a bunch of little bands, hopefully one or two hit. And that kind of is the model. And how, how long do you wait until you, you know, cut bait or declare them as a success? We sign them for contracts. So it's generally like two to three years. So like a band label and not different from band label, once they become successful, they're very difficult to deal with. Like then they want the money, they see what's going on. And so the talent business stinks because once the talent becomes money, they see what's going on. And so the talent business

stinks because once the talent becomes big, they don't need you anymore. And they may be under contract, but you gotta, they generally, if they, if we can't resign them, they leave. And we built a lot of very rich superstars in this digital age from Alex Cooper, Pat McAfee, a lot of people make a lot of money and then we just got to refill the pipeline and find the next and it never ends. And that sucks. I feel like, you know, I have good people. I have faith in them. We have a good relationship, but famous last words. I take your point. So, I mean, your company now is huge, right? I mean, you, I read that in like 2002, you were filing for bankruptcy and now you're talking about the Trump tariffs costing you like

$20 million. That's just what was, what was what it cost you yeah so you're obviously hugely successful yeah we've done well that bankruptcy thing by the way this was a new york times hit piece i did but it was like my dad told me in college and i hate the new york times anyhow that wasn't a business thing so yeah that we sold uh barstool in 2016 15 of it for about $12 million was the valuation. Then we sold it again for $600 million was the valuation. And then I got it back for $1. So now I have the whole thing again. That was so crazy.

Yeah. So it's been a wild ride. So now that you have all this money, do you live differently? Are you different? I don't think I'm different. I certainly live differently. Things that I've always been interested in, like horse racing, Kentucky Derby's this weekend. I love horses, love. So I would go to the track growing up and now instead of being, you know,

in the bleacher section or with the riff raff betting two bucks, I can afford to own the horses. So things like that have changed, but it's still my core interest. I don't think I've changed. I guess, I mean, a positive thing about Barstool, a lot of the people who started with me are still there. So, you know, I. That's your ride or dies. Yeah, ride or dies. Or we just treat our employees like well. And I don't think anybody would ever say about me.

They may be like he's a jerk or he's blunt, but nobody would be like he's dishonest. I'm pretty straight in all my dealings with people. And that's helped get us mean we've been around now over 20 years so that's helped well i i find it entertaining i go over there not really for sports but when commentary comes into the news world political i love it i love how you go viral i mean i saw i try not to because whatever you get in politics people and both right and left if i like i criticized trump the other day because his line about the stock market is not his stock it is like you have affected the stock market because of tariffs end of story it's it you can't say it's not like you can't blame that on biden it's yours you're you're the tariffs. It's yours. And if I say that suddenly, all the

people like me on the right hate me. They're like, Oh yeah. But it's like, I have to call it. You're saying how you actually feel, which is that's, that's the name of this game. That's for sure. By the way, my team tells me that this YouTube show for this Jamie lady, this squeaky voiced makeup lady is they're at 251,000 views after three days, which is terrible. Yeah, for her. Terrible for having the Duchess of Sussex. For having the Duchess. I thought you were going to say like 250 million.

No. Or like at least 2.5 million. No one has any interest in actually hearing her talk about how hard her life is or how hard she's working or her secret code for H&M. Whomever could they mean? Who's going to crack this?

Like an SNL spoof. Dave Portnoy. Great to have you. Thanks for being here. Yeah. I hope we see you again. Okay. And don't forget you can't miss tomorrow's show.

We will debut our new film blonde origin. Don't call it a ride. See you then.