The Megyn Kelly Show - Oz Takes the Lead, and "Family Friendly Drag Show," with Jeremy Boreing, Robert Cahaly, and Carrie Prejean | Ep. 422

Episode Date: October 28, 2022

Megyn Kelly is joined by Jeremy Boreing, co-founder and CEO of The Daily Wire, to talk about the inside story of the controversy over Kanye "Ye" West, Candace Owens, and The Daily Wire, whether Ye was really banned from the company, anti-Semitism in the media, automatic backlash to Owens, Ye's continued media tour, and more. Then Robert Cahaly, founder of Trafalgar Group, joins to discuss the new post-debate poll showing Dr. Oz surging over John Fetterman, Dr. Oz's success with Black women, Shapiro's impact in his race with Mastriano, Herschel Walker's likely victory in Georgia, pollsters failing in 2022 again, and more. Then Carrie Prejean Boller and Britt Mayer, moms and former pageant participants, join to talk about their decision to speak out publicly about a supposed "family friendly drag show" for elementary school kids, being labeled "home-o-phobes" mocking stay-at-home moms, kids "coming out" as "furries" and other animals, the loss of womanhood in our culture and what it really means to be a woman, Prejean's pageant moment on same-sex marriage, potential cheating in the Miss USA pageant, and more.Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday. Our tech issues from yesterday have been worked out and we are ready for a packed show for you. The first post-debate poll in the Pennsylvania Senate race between John Fetterman and Dr. Oz has just been released. It shows Oz breaking away with a nearly three-point lead. I don't think there's been another poll showing Oz leading. And this is post-debate, as I mentioned. The race is now tighter than it has ever been, 10 days to go until election day. Robert Cahaly from Trafalgar is here with analysis on that race and his overall election night predictions. He comes

on in just a bit, but first Kanye, yay. West is it, is it ye or yay? I don't know. I can't remember. Yay. Yay. It's like Kanye. Yay. Yay. Yay. Yay yay west remains in the headlines uh as multiple companies cut ties with him yesterday he claimed that he lost two billion dollars in one day due to these lost deals the controversy over west the statements he has made and his friendship with candace owens causing some some trouble for our pals over at The Daily Wire who have come under fire as well on multiple fronts. Jeremy Boring co-founded The Daily Wire with Ben Shapiro. He serves as its co-CEO.

And Jeremy joins me now for an exclusive interview. Mr. Boring, welcome back to the show. Megan, happy to be here. Thanks for having me on. Great to have you. You know, I got to be honest, I was kind of surprised it's still going on. I'm like, what? There's still everybody's still yelling at each other over this. I mean, I get that Ye is out there, you know, interview after interview, doubling down, tripling down, saying all the same stuff, and it's costing him financially okay that's america but it swung back on you guys because candace is his friend and has defended him and has tried to say she does she didn't really think he was being anti-semitic in these comments and kind of tried to find an angle for him that would

help others make sense of this in a way that wouldn't lead you thinking this is a wild anti-Semite. So then, as I understand it, everybody turned to you guys. You and Ben are like, fire her ass. Turned into went from like, yay, needs to lose his Adidas deal to Candace needs to be fired from the Daily Wire. Ben's been outspoken about anti-Semitism. And this is like massively hypocritical for him to only say, I disagree with Candace. They want they want her to be punished. They want disassociation, cancellation. So have it. Do you think I've like have I adequately summed up where we are right now? Yeah, I think you have. And I appreciate it. You know, I think that if Candace were here, she would say that she has not defended Ye's actual remarks in almost every statement she's made, but in particular, her earliest statement. She said, listen, I think that

Kanye West is my friend, and I think that there are accusations being made against him that are beyond, they're disproportionate to the things that he's actually said. But this is not me trying to defend the actual remarks that he made. I think I said she defended him. And I think that's fair. I think that's right. I think she defended her friend Kanye. Listen, Candace actually called me. People don't realize this. When I first heard about this controversy, I was in Jerusalem observing Sukkot with Ben. And I got a call that perhaps we were anti-Semites, which I thought, well, that's probably absurd on its face, but okay, what's going on? Candace called me and she said, you know, I have my premiere for my movie tomorrow,

George Floyd and the Rise of BLM, The Greatest Lie Ever Sold. She said, and, you know, I've invited Ye to the premiere. Should I uninvite him? And at that point, it was immediately after all this had first broken, I looked at the comments that he had made on Twitter. And I said at the time, well, they're definitely anti-Semitic statements. I don't know if there's enough evidence at this point to conclude that he's an anti-Semite, but certainly these are disgusting statements. I said, and I appreciate you offering not to bring him to the premier. I said, I think though, I'm not going to ask you to pile on. I said, and I appreciate you offering not to bring him to the premiere. I said, I think though, I'm not going to ask you to pile on.

I'm not going to ask you to disassociate. You know, the actual person, Candace, is actually friends with the actual person, Kanye West. I said, I don't want you to feel that you have to disassociate from him. I don't want him to speak. I don't want him to be an official part of the event. But from my point of view, you can invite him.

And listen, I make probably 20 decisions a day that have some existential impact on the company. And they're not all the correct decision. If I had known the things that Ye was going to go on and say over the next 14 days, I probably would have made a different decision. But I think it's an interesting piece of color that from the very beginning, Candace wanted to shield the Daily Wire from the potential fallout from his remarks and understood that the things that he said were offensive, understood that they were consequential. At the same time, as I say, he's her actual friend. And Candace has a superpower. And one of the consequences of

her superpower is that she sees everyone sometimes as a nail. And she raced in to defend her friend, not his remarks, but her friend, and the way that she races in to fight all of her battles. And that's caused a little bit of discomfort from us over at The Daily Wire, but I think it's perfectly understandable from her point of view. I've listened to her and I'm her fan, as my audience knows, she's been on the program. She seems to be getting it, and you guys seem to be getting it in part because ben's been appropriately outspoken about anti-semitism and i think his fans want to hear him be outspoken about this and he has he's condemned the yay remarks in no uncertain terms

and he's also said i strongly disagree with candace's interpretation of all of these. They feel like now, trying to put a sort of characterization on the objectors, they feel like it's not enough, like it's not okay for Ben to chalk this up to agree to disagree, as opposed to like, you're now standing up for this guy who's obviously, in their view, an anti-Semite, and that takes away all of your credibility to call others out on anti-Semitic remarks. Well, I don't think it compromises our credibility vis-a-vis anti-Semitism at all. To suggest that The Daily Wire or Ben Shapiro

are somehow not anti-anti-Semitism enough, I think is absurd on its face. But I think there are kind of two camps of criticism. There's some legitimate criticism. Perhaps we should have handled it differently. As I say, if I knew everything two weeks ago that I know today, I would have taken Candace up on her offer not to have Gay at the premiere of her documentary. I didn't know all of that at the time. I think that there's also people who, you know, are disappointed in what they perceive to be our response, who after they speak to us,

they reach out in good faith, have a conversation. They may still not agree with all of our decisions along the way, but for the most part, they understand our decision-making once they talk to us. I also think there's kind of a focused opposition that's being largely driven by disgruntled former employees of the Daily Wire. And Daily Wire is a hard place to work. Not everybody makes the cut. And a few of the people who who didn't make it, I think, have have been looking for an opportunity to play out their resentments. And some of the really focused attacks are coming from that group. Oh, can I ask, is that Eli Steinberg? Because he wrote for you guys, in addition to Newsweek and The Federalist, and he ripped you guys a new one, as you probably saw. Yeah, I read his piece. I didn't know Eli Steinberg had ever written for us. I will say that I thought it was one of the most deceitful, disingenuous pieces I've ever read. He characterizes Ben's tweets completely falsely, and deliberately so. And then later, when it suits his purpose, he actually embeds several tweets.

But he doesn't embed the ones that he misrepresents, which I found really interesting. He's essentially trying to make the case that Ben, for financial reasons, is not living up to his responsibility as an outspoken opponent of anti-Semitism and firing Candace Owens. But look, here's the thing. First of all, Ben is not an executive in this company. Ben's not the majority owner of this company. Ben's not in a position to hire or fire anyone in the company. He is an owner. He's a founder. He has obviously an enormous influence on what happens in the company, but he's in no position to fire Candace Owens. And the suggestion that he should

just fire her, I think, just misunderstands the reality of the business altogether. Secondly, if Ben were in that position, he still wouldn't fire Candace because Candace Owens is not an anti-Semite. Because Candace Owens isn't the one who said all the vile, disgusting, ignorant things. That's Ye West. If Ye West works here, we would have fired him. He doesn't, Candace does. And do I agree with everything Candace has said? Again, no. Does Ben agree? No. I've had some real rows with Candace over the last 14 days, probably the biggest disagreements that we've ever had. But agreeing with Ben Shapiro and agreeing with Jeremy Boring all the way down to every jot and tittle is not the job description of a host at the Daily Wire.

Would that it were. I disagree with all the guys quite often. It'd be terrific. Even Knowles that I think. No, well, not Knowles. That guy is right about everything. Never Knowles. No. What about I'm interested in what you said that if you knew then what you know now about Kanye's thoughts, you would not have wanted him at her movie premiere, which was a Daily Wire produced film. A Daily Wire event. Yeah. So why? I mean, he's because he has been quadrupling and quintupling down. What is it about what he said after all the controversial tweets and Insta posts that changed your view on him? I suppose only this, you know, that someone like Morgan Wallen can make a comment,

use a Rachel epitaph in what he thought was a private setting. And we can say, well, that's inappropriate. It's not fair. It's not right. It's not seemly. It's maybe ignorant. But I don't know that it's evidence necessarily that the guy is a racist. I think you'd need to know a little bit more than just what he popped off when he was drunk to conclude that he's a racist. And that's kind of how I viewed the situation with Kanye. He had definitely said some things that were anti-Semitic. The comments themselves were anti-Semitic. I didn't think that that necessarily evidenced that he was an anti-Semite. But then he's clarified what he thought since then. As to your point, he's doubled down, he's tripled down. He's continually, every day, every interview,

continued to say these really vile, ignorant things. And at a certain point, you actually just have to say, well, this isn't an accident. This isn't a lapse of judgment. He's expressing what he thinks. Yeah, I accept you for who you're telling me you are. Exactly. So had that happened, listen, I still, to this day, don't ask Candace to publicly repudiate her friend. I think that it's unfair to expect someone to publicly repudiate their friend. That's a private issue when you have an actual friendship with someone. But I wouldn't have wanted Kanye to be at the event if I had known that he actually

thought the things that he's made clear now that he thinks. It's weird. I mean, it would be weird to be standing next to him. I can't imagine now, in knowing how he feels about Jewish people, you know, Ben standing next to him. I mean, anybody. You don't have to be Jewish to feel the scorn of that. But in particular, the targeted group, as Ben's been saying repeatedly,

like, it's all the old tropes about Jews controlling the media and having some sort of cabal. Ben was joking on a show. If we had that, we would have already sent down our special laser to get Kanye. They would have special lasered Kanye two weeks ago. Ben must have missed that trip to synagogue where that plan was

discussed. To this point, he goes on... Kanye has also said that we wouldn't invite him to be on The Daily Wire. Yeah, I'm getting Lex Friedman. Wait, stand by. I'm just that's where I'm going next. It's your show. I'm ready for you. Boring. He goes on with Lex Friedman. Yes. And we can talk about whether these people should keep interviewing. Yay. I've got thoughts about it. But anyway, he goes on with him and he takes it one next level. And what I would like the audience to listen for here is, yes, he accuses you guys of blacklisting him. But listen to speaking of the Jewish tropes, my God, mind you, I didn't get to the tweet by not having a conversation.

I had the conversations beforehand before I got to the tweet. Now we're going to take it to the stage. Now we're on the world stage. Right. And you saw Ari Emanuel do exactly the kind of thing that I was saying had been done behind closed doors. Now he's doing it and open doors. They told Candace Owens, I couldn't be on the Daily Wire. Like, you can't even explain yourself.

And we don't care how you got to that point either. And that's fucked up. They told Candace you can't be on Daily Wire? Is that even about... Yes, she did. That's what they said. And you know what? And you can have my voice raised or lower. I'm going to

do it lower, right? Because what's happening to me by, I'll put it in your words, the media is saying, not only can you not explain yourself, we don't care how you got to that point. You need to apologize and you can't

explain and that's the end of the story to just apologize so we can have Mel Gibson do some more films. It's exactly what Ari Emanuel was saying. No one is looking to change the problem that led so many people to that same level of frustration. And I just so happen to be the one that's not going to back up on it. Oh boy. I mean, that last line, what no one's actually talking about how bad the Jews are, is what I think he's trying to say there. Yeah. You know, I don't actually care how the guy came to his horrible opinions. I think that the Lex Friedman interview on the whole was a good thing. I don't think every interview has been,

but I think Lex in particular was pressing on Kanye, but also giving Kanye an opportunity. I think that post that interview, Kanye can't say no one's given him a fair shot to explain himself. The problem, we don't like the explanation. He tries to conflate his concept of Jewish media with the Daily Wire, I guess because Ben Shapiro is a minority owner of the Daily Wire. I'm not Jewish, I'm Christian. a minority owner of the Daily Wire. I'm not Jewish. I'm Christian. The other owner of the Daily Wire is Christian. We're not offended as Jews. We're offended as human beings at his doubling and tripling down on this generalization. If you say my agent who is Jewish took advantage of me, that's not anti-Semitism.

If you say the Jews took advantage of me, I shouldn't anti-Semitism. If you say the Jews took advantage of me, I shouldn't have to explain this, right? It's a very simple concept. Speaking in generalizations is wrong. Labeling entire ethnic or religious groups because of your disagreements with individuals is wrong. But so too is this suggestion that I said he couldn't be on the Daily Wire. We didn't say that. That's not what I said. Candace said that Kanye would like for Candace to interview him. And I said, no, that would be akin to Chris Cuomo interviewing Andrew Cuomo in the middle of the scandal. You're his friend. Your husband is in a business relationship with him. I don't think that it's appropriate for you to be the person in this

moment who has that conversation with him. Very good point. And she agreed. She agreed and we moved on. In that same conversation, I said, if the guy wants to talk to Jordan Peterson, if he wants to talk to Ben Shapiro, I'd be glad to set those interviews up because that's people who would give him a fair opportunity, but also press on him. Not to say that Candace wouldn't, only to say that the optics of Candace being in that position. No, absolutely. Given the business relationship her husband has with him alone, she's not the right person for that. He's the CEO of Parler, which Ye has just announced he's buying. So you can't.

I mean, there are certain things you can't do in our business. So I agree with that. So he is welcome on The Daily Wire potentially, but not in an interview with Candace. Sure. I would not be averse to him being interviewed by someone at The Daily Wire who I thought was in a position both optically and practically to conduct a fair interview with him. I don't think that he would take us up on any offer to come on The Daily Wire at this point, right? And I'm even not sure today that it makes much sense to continue, to your point, to continue interviewing him about this issue. But I would not say no out of hand. And certainly a week ago, you know, said to Candace

that we would be open to that. I'm not one who believes in cancellation, right? I don't think, if I own Twitter, Kanye West would still have access to his Twitter account. If I own Instagram, he would still have access to his Instagram account because I believe that those platforms serve a function, sort of a town square function. And I believe in free speech in the town square. The Daily Wire is not a free speech platform. We're advocates for free speech, but we're a publication. We curate ideas. And the voices that we publish are voices that we are very open about our biases.

They're voices that broadly align with the vision of the founders. That doesn't mean that we agree with every opinion expressed by every person that we publish, but there is sort of a broad rubric of thought, and we curate ideas within that rubric of thought. Kanye certainly has violated whatever the limits of that are. I would not publish someone who has Kanye stated opinions, but it doesn't mean that I wouldn't publish an interview with someone who has Kanye stated opinions to try to get to the bottom of what they're actually thinking. Well, I mean, we've I've said this

before on the show. Sixty Minutes profiled the leader of the KKK. Mike Wallace interviewed him while the guy was wearing his hat in his robe so there's been a long tradition in journalism of speaking with people who you might find abhorrent but you're interested in what their views are journalists yeah so yeah okay so let me ask you this so the whole thing got started after yay posted his insta thing and his thing on twitter talking about going death, meaning death, con three on Jewish people, Jewish people, it was all all caps, Jewish people. And people were like, Whoa, and he definitely made some anti semitic remarks. And then they got even worse. And Candace came out. And this is what she said that's at first, which got her dragged into this. I'd love to ask you about it. This is her commenting on it in Sat

2. People subsequently demanded that the tweet be taken down for anti-Semitism. Now, if you are an honest person, you did not think this tweet was anti-Semitic. You did not think that he wrote this tweet because he hates or wants to genocide Jewish people. This does not represent the beginning of a Holocaust. That's if you're an honest person, you'll meet that. You will admit that, right? If you're an honest person, when you read this tweet, you had no idea what the hell he was talking about. I had no idea when I read this tweet what the hell he was talking about. This tweet inspired questions, not answers. First and foremost, what is DEFCON 3? Did he mean DEFCON 3, which would be a military defense position, not an offense for those of you that are offended,

a military defense position? Now, once again, I want to make this very clear. This is not a defensive tweet. This is an open question, which never seems to happen anymore. It's like you cannot even say the word Jewish without people here is laughable. Just because you don't want to actually start a Holocaust, and of course there's no indication anyone here is actively engaged in planning genocide of any kind, that doesn't mean the thing Kanye just said was not anti-Semitic. I know you're not a huge fan of Ben's because I saw you guys sparring on Twitter or online, but what do you make of his retort to what she said? No, I think Ben has a long history of disagreement with Candace.

At times it's been very personal, so it doesn't surprise me that he takes the opening to take a shot at Candace. Of course, one does not have to wish death on all Jews in order to engage in antisemitism or antisemitic remarks. I think Candace is wrong to say that those early remarks were not anti-Semitic. I don't think she actually says they weren't anti-Semitic. I think she says that they. She said, if you are an honest person, you did not think this tweet was anti-Semitic. If you if you are an honest person, you did not

think this tweet was anti-Semitic. Yeah, you Yeah. And then she goes on, you did not think that he wrote this tweet because he hates or wants to genocide Jewish people. I think this does not represent the beginning of the Holocaust. I think, first of all, Candace was responding to people who were saying that because he used the term death con, that he was, in fact, inviting violence on the Jews. And she thought that was an overreaction. I think that she, to the extent that she says you couldn't think it was anti-Semitic, she's wrong. Of course it was anti-Semitic. To the extent that she says it raised more questions than answers, I think so too.

Yeah, it did raise questions. There's two more weeks of history since then and he's given those answers and the answers are in some ways as bad as people thought that they were. And I guess the last thing I would say is that I think that part of the role that Candace has played in public life is as someone who challenges PC orthodoxy. And because she is a

black woman who has challenged PC orthodoxy, in particular around issues of race, she's been called, she's been subjected to the worst attacks possible, called a race traitor by certain political voices or media voices. I think it's probably not surprising that she is not as sensitive as she might otherwise be to those same kinds of sensitivities as they apply to other groups of people. I'm not defending that lack of sensitivity. I'm trying to understand it. Yeah, right. No, I get it.

And that's one of my questions for you, Jeremy, is like like we've all been so swept up in fighting back against cancel culture. And we've all been, you know, just called names at every turn over bullshit behavior. Right. It's like they unfairly use these the terms racist and bigot and sexist against everybody. And, you know, in a way, I mean, truly, this is a creation. This whole problem is sort of a creation of these wokesters on the left who have desensitized everyone from all of those words and when they really ought to be used, you know, and so when they are used, when somebody says something that actually really is problematic or bigoted, the knee jerk reaction from those of us who have been fighting these wars is all bullshit. Take a seat.

You're constantly playing that card. And honestly, like that's a real problem in the way the woke left left left has got us talking about these issues. Yeah. In many ways, I think that, you know, Candace responded from that sort of point of view that you just articulated. And then over the subsequent 14 days, Ye just slammed her finger in over the last two years? Did she give him more benefit of the doubt than she may have given someone from the left? Sure, of course she did. Was she wrong? Yes, in my opinion, she was absolutely wrong. I think the remarks were patently anti-Semitic on their face, and I said so at the time. I have sympathy for Candace's position, and I am endeavoring to have some understanding for Candace's position.

It doesn't mean that I agree with Candace's position. She still hasn't done anything for what she should be fired from the Daily Wire. That's the thing is it's like, why do they want her job? They think she's a sympathizer. I mean, as this guy, the guy I just mentioned, he put it as follows. Hold on, I want to make sure I have it. It's Eli Steinberg called it the yay generated and Owens exacerbated controversy that she exacerbated it by defending him, which he suggests shows an ambivalence on Jew hatred from the Daily Wire.

And, you know, she does work for the Daily Wire now. And so what do you make of the fact now, Jeremy, that he's done all these things and he's continued saying all these things and she's still standing by him? Does that change the evaluation? Well, my hope is that that Candace sees things differently than maybe she saw them two weeks ago. I know I see things differently than I did two weeks ago. That's another interesting wrinkle in this whole thing, is that Eli Steinberg's incredibly deceitful and malicious article, which was mostly an attack on Ben Shapiro, not on Candace

Owens, who has not said anything anti-Semitic, or on Kanye West, who absolutely has said a whole lot of terrible things that were anti-Semitic. It was mostly a cheap shot against Ben Shapiro that I think mischaracterizes his position completely. Nevertheless, if that piece had come out even 10 days ago and engaged in a little bit less manipulation, then I might have even said that it was a legitimate criticism. But time has gone by, right? Candace's position where Kanye is concerned has been moderated.

You don't see her out there talking about these things the same way that she was talking about them in the earliest days, because we've all heard more and more and more from Ye. But I still don't expect Candace to publicly repudiate her actual friend. I think that's too much to ask. And I don't think that the criteria for whether or not she continues to be an important cultural voice or an employee of the Daily Wire are compromised by the fact that she hasn't said,

my friend is an anti-Semite. That is not a standard that I'm willing to enforce on her or on anyone. Do you is it true that you you guys, your biggest stars boycotted the premiere of her movie on George Floyd because Kanye was going to be there and because this controversy had already broken? I know I've seen some pushback saying, no, we all just had various engagements elsewhere. But I can see how people would have been asking. Boring's not there. Shapiro's not there. Matt Walsh is not there.

Michael Knoll's not there. Well, again, nobody. Nobody. No, I'm just kidding. I don't mean to rip on you. You're the king of that. Klavan, you know, down the list. I can see why people were like, hmm.

Sure. I think Jason Whitlock started that with a tweet that he put out. And he apologized for the tweet rightly. He was at the premiere. I was not. I was, as I say, in Jerusalem. Ben was in Jerusalem. My co-CEO, who is not Ben, by the way,

it's Caleb Robinson, was in Jerusalem. Jordan Peterson was in Jerusalem. We were working on some amazing new Peterson Shapiro content and observing Sukkot from Jerusalem. Matt were working on some amazing new Peterson Shapiro content and observing Sukkot from Jerusalem. Matt Walsh was giving a speech. Michael Knowles, I think, was at a funeral. It was a funeral.

Death of a family member. We have... Another funny thing, none of them knew that Ye was going to be there. I knew that Ye was going to be there and Caleb knew that Ye was going to be there. But the other guys weren't aware of that. You never know if a celebrity is actually going to show up at any place they say they're going to be there and Caleb knew that Gay was going to be there. But the other guys weren't aware of that. I didn't. You never know if a celebrity is actually going to show up at any

place they say they're going to show up at. So that was kind of amusing because I was like, what about the Daily Wire people makes you think they don't they run from controversy? No, what exactly is it about this group that makes you think they'd say, oh, I don't want people to write bad things about me. No. By the way, Ben and Caleb and I were all attending to some business in Florida during Matt Walsh's huge event last week at the Capitol here in Nashville, where he led a rally of 3000 people in opposition to child mutilation at Vanderbilt and other medical facilities around the country. They call it gender-affirming care, but that's quite a misnomer. We weren't at that, which is one of the biggest events that any Daily Wire host has ever put on. Were we afraid to be seen standing up for the biological integrity of prepubescent children? Of course not. We're a big company. Our hosts are quite successful at this point. It's very rare that we're all able to be in the same place at the same time. And I 100 percent would have been at Candace's premiere

knowing that Ye was going to be there if I had been in the country. Again, if I had known all the things that I knew seven, 10 days later, I still would have been there, but maybe Ye wouldn't have been. All right. So let's just go through it quickly before we wrap up. Candace is not getting fired. No, Candace is not getting fired because Candace is not an anti-Semite. Candace is not out there engaging in wanton anti-Semitism. And Ben is comfortable with what he has said publicly on this and doesn't need a redo on anything? Oh, of course not. Ben says what he thinks. And he has said he disagrees vehemently with Candace. He said that agreement with Ben Shapiro isn't the prerequisite for work here. And anyone who says,

so you're saying that we can all just agree to disagree about anti-Semitism? No, of course not. If Candace had said the things that Kanye West has said, we would have fired her. She hasn't, because whereas Kanye West is an anti-Semite, Candace Owens is not. The other thing Ben said early on was, you can't treat Kanye the same as you treat Ilhan Omar, somebody who's an elected representative, who says these things publicly, who's working in the U.S. Congress. Kanye, we don't know. I mean, it's becoming more and more clear now, but we don't really know what his mental state is right now. We know he suffers from bipolar disorder.

That can bring up paranoid delusions. I don't know what his mental state is at the moment, but Ben has been trying to make the point, like, I actually don't know, so I'm not going to treat him the exact same way I would treat Ilhan Omar. I mean, do you think he still feels that way? Yeah, well, I think we all know more about what Kanye actually thinks now than we did at the

beginning, including Ben. But I also think there's only one person on earth who doesn't know that Ye West is struggling from some sort of mental challenge right now. And that's Yay West. Yeah. This is why I have a real problem with people continuing to put him on. I mean, my team asked me if I wanted them to reach out to him for an interview. And I said, I don't. I feel uncomfortable about it. If he's in the midst of some sort of mental health episode, it's not responsible to put him on. It's taking advantage of him. And if he's not, why do I want to platform all of those views? And just so I can look like a tough guy by challenging them? That's about me. That's about ego and just stoking ratings, you know, just to sort of get these anti-Semitic views out there more. Either way, I'm against it.

So I really hope people stop interviewing him. He's said all he has to say. He's made his positions clear. And he can find another way to make his views known. He's been given the opportunity to clarify, and he's clarified. He has. Well, I appreciate you coming on. I'm sorry that this has turned into any sort of a controversy for you guys,

because you're extremely important as a media source in our culture wars and in our just news and information, just setting records straight and so on. So I hope people will move past this like I already had. And let's get back to business. Thank you very much. Great to see you, Jeremy. All right, coming up, Robert Cahaley is here. He's going to talk about the latest poll that just came out on Oz Fetterman for the first time, showing a Dr. Oz lead. What does he think and what are his predictions? That's next. Our next guest is Robert Cahaley, chief pollster for the Trafalgar Group. He was one of the few who correctly predicted a Trump victory during the 2016 election. And every other pollster said he's a lunatic.

Don't listen to that loser. He's the only one who got it right. How do you like that? He joins us now to discuss the key Pennsylvania Senate race, upcoming midterms overall, and what pollsters may be getting wrong yet again. Welcome back to the show, Robert. Great to have you. It's awesome to be here. Thank you. It's so funny to go down memory lane with you and talk about all the things you got right when people are looking at you like, who is this guy? Never heard of him. Don't listen to Truffaut. Exactly.

You nailed it. All right. So let's kick it off with the poll that just dropped in Pennsylvania. Insider Advantage is the polling operation. It's polled 750 likely voters. That's good. It has to be likely at this point. And it's showing Oz plus three. Oz plus three. You tell me. I've never seen Oz lead in a single poll prior to this one. Well, first of all, inside advantage is Matt Towery. He's the one that, for those of you who follow it, is usually on the Hannity Show with me. He's one of the few pollsters that if I don't do it and Matt does it, I feel good about it. Matt does exceptional work. He has a very, very, very low error rate. And, you know, we had had virtually even the last time we called it so and that was before the debate so it doesn't shock me uh oz kind of you know had the fundamentals of a candidate who could exceed uh you know coming first there were some things that

going for him that were really strong. One of them, of course, was his percentage of the black vote was just tremendous. Highest percentage of black women of any Republican we found in the country. And so that doesn't surprise me that he had to win over some skeptics. His problem was more about likability than anything. And I think the way he handled the debate and the fact that he wasn't mean and aggressive and just trying to keep it about the issues served him well on the personality scale, which is the place he had to win over people. I like Oz. I like him as a person. I know him a little bit. But I can see how you could find him slick in watching him,

you know, from your couch at home in Pennsylvania. He's a little slick and politicians who are slick can be a little, even if they wind up being the more articulate, the more substantive and so on. I think that's worked to Fetterman's advantage prior now. What we saw on the stage the other night, maybe a little slick still, but the other guy was, you know, non-compassmentous. He was not, we have no idea what the extent of the stroke damage is. All we can see is it's bad. It's bad. And as I was saying the other day, they've misled us. They've tried to perpetrate a fraud on us by telling us there's almost no damage on Fetterman. And then the big reveal came, you know, 10 days plus before the election where we can see, oh, no, there's serious damage. Well, and what was fascinating about that is, you know, just you kind of think about, you know, whether it's historical portrayals or just the kind of things you run into every day,

people that are a little slow tend to be good when they're telling the truth, but tend not to be very good when they're having to elaborate or lie. And on the questions when he would really have to be clever and come up with a lie, like, did you ever oppose fracking? That's when you saw his inability. On the stuff where he could tell the truth, he was fine. But on the stuff where he had to hide his position and cleverly word it, he was fine. But on the stuff where he had to hide his position and cleverly word it, he was falling. So he literally could not be as evasive as he needed to be on the stuff

where he's vulnerable. And here's what the poll shows. They asked who won the debate and 53.6% said Oz won it. Just 20.5% said Fetterman won it. 25.9% were undecided. I assume those are Democrats who just don't want to admit reality. And they're showing now that just a couple of interesting things. Oz holds a 2.7 point lead over Fetterman. In total, he holds a two-point lead with white voters. He holds a lead amongst the 18 to 39-year-olds. He has a 14- me whether that's going to wind up sinking him because the Democrat is heavily favored. Yeah, the governor's right there. And that's what I've been saying for weeks is. If. Mastriano had received.

Half the support that any Republican nominee gets, Mastriano would be within four or five of winning and odds would be winning. But to receive so little support is actually hurting odds. But, you know, ticket splitting is one thing. It really just kind of depends on how they structure their ballot. I'm not sure what the answer is in Pennsylvania. A lot of kind of depends on how they structure their ballot. I'm not sure what the answer is in Pennsylvania. A lot of states make their federal races first. So it might be that the governor's race is after when they vote on the Senate race. Not top of the ticket.

Yeah. It just depends on how they structure their ballots. But I think it is damaging. But what we are going to see is in most of these polls, Shapiro is at 50, 48. He's not. It's like 52 or 53. And if there is somebody out there right now with a kind of a hidden shy vote, it's Mastriano. Wow. The grassroots around him are very, very engaged. So, again, I don't see Mastriano at this point winning, but I think he's going to close a lot of shock people. And if he happens. It's like every single piece of press about Mastriano has been bad. He's been way behind in all the polls. As

you say, very little support. That will mean very good things for Republicans on a national level if that happens. Oh, absolutely. That is a great bellwether. Yeah. If that guy goes into this thing leading big. But I mean, there is no denying the size of crowds that show up for Ostriano events. People that have been to Pennsylvania, I hear it all the time. They're just saying it's bigger than anything they've seen outside of a Trump campaign. Okay, let's talk about Georgia for a minute because that's the other one a lot of people are watching. Kemp seems well positioned to win over Stacey Abrams, who hasn't been able to get anything going. And in the Georgia Senate race, still, even under your polls, Raphael Warnock, the Democrat, is leading by 1.5, hit the Real Clear Politics average, has him leading by 0.5. Yeah, our newest poll has him up by two and a half, actually. Oh, it does. Okay, I'm sorry.

I don't have that. Oh, well, okay. So you're showing... But that's part of the Real Clear Politics Average. You're showing Warnock up. Yeah, Warnock up 0.00. Our most recent poll showed Walker up 2.4 and Real Clear rounded that to 2. After the debate, Land debate landmark showed at even.

And I believe there was a Rasmussen yesterday that shows it five up for Walker. So the average has moved down to just one by point five because the last three polls since the debate have been so good. Now, there's some pre-debate polls That were bad But everything since the debate Has been very good for Walker That's amazing So the debate in that case actually did make a difference And I think what we can glean

Is all the things that they're throwing At Herschel Walker You know the women, the abortion, all that stuff Either hasn't hurt him Or maybe helped him Well It hurt him or maybe helped him. Well, it hurt him initially with some of the early accusations, but the public is wise. And they got to the point that when they see stuff coming in October

and November and late October that you had the whole last year to talk about, they're a little skeptical. And, you know, to see Gloria Allred and all that stuff out there, just you start thinking, I remember this. Oh, yeah, this happened to Rick Cavanaugh. Yeah, I've seen this show before. In a way, as soon as he got in, because it wasn't real. And so the skepticism really is high.

And there comes a point, I mean, for whatever it's worth, Trump has set a new standard for what you can be accused of and when. And we're not going backwards. It's just that's the way politics is. We're not going backwards. We're a long way from people

wanting to disqualify Clinton for inhaling or not inhaling. Or Gary Hart for having an affair outside of his marriage and so on. I remember those days. Let's talk about the numbers because right now the polls are trending Republican and we're closing now.

We're in the last little stretch. What I read is that historically, those last two weeks before the actual vote tend to build momentum for the party out of power. Do you think that's true in this race, even though we've had about four steady weeks of Republican momentum? I mean, basically since mid September.

Well, I would argue that, and if you can see our numbers have been much more consistent, the Republicans have been tight in these races since their, since the nominations were over. I think, I mean, I'm very skeptical of the mainstream media and some of the polling that goes on there and some of the agendas, because you have to ask the question, what's the purpose of a poll?

Is it to reflect the electorate or is it to affect the electorate? Because if it's to affect the electorate, then it to affect the electorate? Because if it's to affect the electorate, then it makes sense that all these guys who keep getting it wrong still have jobs. But if it was to reflect the electorate, why haven't all these groups that have an error rate of over five in 2020 been fired? It doesn't make any sense. So you got to wonder, are they doing the job they're supposed to, which is an agenda, or are they doing the job they're supposed to which is an agenda or are they doing the job they're supposed to of accuracy and we know they're not failing on accuracy so i think what's happening is the reason and you said you were very smart and says everything that these

are likely voters we spent the entire uh september and august with nonsense polls that were based on registered voters that you know yourself, that is a way to skew it toward the other side. Yeah, that's right. And I don't think that was accidental. I think that it was about helping the other side raise money and helping them look strong. But the fact is, it's kind of like a party that you throw in when your parents out of town, mom and dad are coming home, house has got to be cleaned up. And these guys know election day and the reckoning is coming. And they don't want to look like they did last time. So they're starting to get a little more real every day. And as they get more real, guess what happens?

They get closer to where we've been all along. But you still say these polls are probably underestimating the Republican support. Absolutely. I believe this. Even more so than 16 and 20. Why? Yes. Well, one, in 16, you were just deplorable. In 20, you could be canceled and you were racist if you disagree with anything. In 22, you're a threat to democracy. I mean, after that speech, where he basically said, if you are a MAGA supporter, that you're, you know, what's wrong with the country, a lot of folks just got really nervous.

And they're seeing stories like the FBI involved with Facebook and monitoring stuff. And, you know, they're hearing things in the news about banks being told about the government to keep track of gun purchases. And I mean, and so what they say to me is don't you think that the governor government's monitoring who says that they're for Maggie candidates making a list. And they tell me, it's like, you don't even know they're doing it.

Like I'm naive and don't know this is happening and that they're all keeping track. And so, and you know, here's the point. It doesn't matter whether conspiracy is right or wrong, because if it's in the people's minds and affects how they vote, you have to think about it.

And I think there are a lot of people who believe to answer a poll puts you on a list as being formatted. And so people who in the past would put a sign on the yard, a bumper sticker on their car, post it on social media, are taking posts. I mean, that's why I call them submerged. They aren't hidden. They aren't shy.

They're submerged. They are underwater. They're below periscope depth. They're not coming up. You could live right next door to a maggot boat, or you'd never know it. But they're coming out because they're not going to do anything else. They're not getting away. They're flying, whatever. So they're coming out. That's the only way to scratch else. They're not getting the waves or flags or whatever. So they're coming out.

That's the only way to scratch this itch. And they've got a big itch. So what's your prediction? And I think everybody will underestimate the Republicans who are not including us. Wow. Even you couldn't get at them. And you've got the best polling methods in the business, keeping the questionnaire short, trying to ask questions that you don't have to say, what do you think, Ms. Kelly? You say, how's your neighbor

likely to vote? And I project all my views onto the neighbor because I feel comfortable telling you what they think, but it's really what I think. And all of our collection methods, I mean, whether it's, I mean, we let people, you know, text polls and our text polls are different than most of them. People click links on others, Ours go back and forth. They're much easier to take and you don't have to worry about some random link. I have one minute left and I got to get to your predictions. What are you predicting now in the House and the Senate? I hate to predict it 10 days out because Lord knows what's going to happen on the national stage. But I would say if the election were next Tuesday, I would expect the Republicans to win north of 25, maybe 30, House seat pickup, and the Republicans to win the Senate. At least win the Senate with 51 and a Georgia runoff that could get them 52 or better.

And I expect if another week after next week, it could be better. How high could it go? Just, you know, could be better. How high could it go? Just for kicks, how high could it go? Again, this is not my prediction, but if the wave were as big as I think it could be, you'd be talking 55 seats. Wow. What a difference a couple of months make. This was not the prediction over the summer by virtually anybody, though it's always been a more favorable environment for the GOP. Such a pleasure, Robert. Thank you so much for all the great work you do.

Always a pleasure to talk to you. Always been a big fan. It's an honor to be here. Thank you. Let's do it again soon. And remember, folks, you can find The Megyn Kelly Show live on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111 every weekday at noon east in the full video show and clips by subscribing to our YouTube channel. That's youtube.com slash Megyn Kelly. Once in the spotlight as contestants in the Miss USA pageant, two friends are now taking the stage and demanding to be heard on parents' rights. Carrie Prejean Bowler and Britt Mayer have gained national attention in the last couple of weeks for speaking out about a Halloween event

featuring a, quote, family-friendly drag show. All right, I'm going to bring the ladies in in one second to discuss the latest on that. Stand by, though, because I do want to get to you some breaking news before I bring in our guests. The breaking news has to do with an attack on the husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. His name is Paul Pelosi. He's 82.

You recall he had an incident with a drunk driving incident a couple months ago. Well, early Friday, we're now learning at their home in San Francisco, according to a Pelosi family statement, Paul Pelosi was, quote, violently assaulted. They say he is expected to make a full recovery. But two sources familiar with the matter tell ABC News that his injuries are, quote, significant. The suspect is in custody. We know nothing about him or her. ABC News reports that this person was armed with a hammer and allegedly entered the house through a sliding glass door.

They report that the break-in is suspected to be targeted. Again, this is just citing sources. I have no idea who or, you know, exactly who ABC News talked to, but they say that the individual was apparently looking for the house speaker herself cnn separately reporting that the assailant shouted where is nancy before the attack according to quote a source briefed on the attack to cnn all right be careful because this is one source i'm anonymous to cnn these things you know we don't get ahead of ourselves uh nancy pelosi was in washington dc unclear whether there was a law enforcement presence at the couple's San Francisco home at the time. Motive is under investigation.

Senator Chuck Schumer said in a statement, what happened to Paul Pelosi is a dastardly act. Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican, the minority leader, tweeting, he's horrified and disgusted by this attack, adding, grateful to hear that Paul is on track to make a full recovery, as is, I'm sure, everyone hearing about this. This is horrible. Can you imagine the terror in having someone break into your home and attack you with a hammer, allegedly? So we'll learn more

about this in the days to come and what the potential motivation was. I cannot help but wonder whether the reaction to this will be different from the reaction when a man showed up near Brett Kavanaugh's house intending on assassinating him. I really I would like to see. Are we going to change security provisions now for these folks in office, whether it's the Supreme Court or the House speaker? Are they going to be more concerned now that it's Paul Pelosi? I really worry about this because he shouldn't be in danger and Brett Kavanaugh shouldn't be in danger either. And we need to take security and safety seriously for all these folks, whether they're Democrats or Republicans. We'll see where this goes. But best wishes to him for

a full recovery. the meantime i want to get to my guests and we're going to talk about the latest on the family-friendly drag show that they stood up to and said oh no not to mention their experiences in the pageant world which for kerry wound up becoming national news for weeks on end kerry and brit welcome to the show thank you so much it's great thank you so much for having us megan oh it's my welcome to the show. Thank you so much. It's great to have you here. Thank you so much for having us, Megan. Oh, it's my pleasure. I've got to tell you. So we saw this viral video, Britt, of you standing up at this event. And I'm like, who is this wonderful woman? I need to know her. I loved everything you said. I was like,

you go, girl. I was cheering you on from just looking at my phone in my house. And then my team, I'm like, we got to try to book her. So my team looks into it and they're like, oh my God, Carrie Prejean is there too. And of course I remembered your name. I covered the whole thing with, you know, the Miss USA and all that. I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. So then they just show me your clip. I'm like, is everyone in this area of California, incredibly articulate, gorgeous, fierce, fiery. We've got to have these ladies on. I need to know them more. We run in good company. I can see that. Now that I find out you met in the pageant world, some of it is starting to come together. Makes sense for me. But I love, love, love that you

are now just mom advocates out there fighting the good fight for your children and other people's children and insisting that other people pay attention and try to join the fight too. So let me start with you on this Brit. When we saw this video and I'll play a little bit of it so people can see, I want to ask you, um, like what, what got you so fired? Like what was the issue before I, before I played the clip, what was the issue that got you so fired up? Well, we found out that this school district had approved invitations for a boo bash. They were they were advertising it as the queerest boo bash family friendly event in San Diego. And Carrie texted me. She's like, hey, have you seen this?

And I start getting texts from other girlfriends to Carrie is a pit bull. So she's like, we got to do something about this. This is crazy. And so we start digging into it. And lo and behold, what really fired us up is that this was not only approved by a school district to be all Encinitas was invited to it as this family friendly event. But when you actually started to drill down into the boobash and the drag show, the partnerships came to light and it was incredibly concerning. So that's what fired us up is we saw that, um, this, this boobash was partnered and sponsored by a gender reassignment clinic, which is there any such thing as gender reassigning? I mean, let's talk science. There's it's, I hate using that term because you can't reassign gender,

but it's sponsored by a mutilation clinic up in San Francisco. And their website is full of videos that are, you know, it's all for profit, but the videos are just advertising that they'll cut off penises and healthy breasts. And even in their top surgery video, they talk about how this is a great way. If you're going through puberty and you're not comfortable in your body, then we can just take care of that by cutting off your breasts. And so that was the first one that was shocking. And then the next partnership we saw was a, I don't even want to, I don't even want to promote the club, but it's a gay 21 plus nightclub down in San Diego. And if you go through their social media, I'm shocked that they haven't been taken down because it's just completely pornographic, very evil. So Carrie and I start talking how in the world is a 21 plus gay nightclub in San Diego, hooking up with a gender reassignment clinic up in

San Francisco and throwing an event that's marketed to children advertised through a school district. The whole thing just, it reeks. And so Gary and I said, we're going to do something about it. And what age group are we talking about? When we talk about school children, what age group? Elementary, tiny, tiny little kids.

All right, stand by because I want to get carried away in too. But let me show the audience a little bit of both of you at this Encinitas board meeting on October 11th. I just want to know what it is that makes a drag show family friendly, because if you follow it to its logical conclusion, you can slap family friendly titles on anything. You can have family

friendly gentlemen's clubs, family friendly strip shows, family friendly Fifty Shades of Grey reallowed. Will you approve my flyer if I want to host in all the sex secrets of the Kama Sutra for kids and families if it's family-friendly? That's my question. What is it about a grown man, and I honestly, sincerely as a woman, mean this.

What is it about a grown man costumed in a sparkly bra with augmented boobs busting out a leather miniskirt barely covering his twerking ass with tuck tape on his front while spreading his fishnetted legs as he rides on the ground, grinding his groin next to a minor. Family friendly. You owe us an answer. In fact, I promised you guys that I would campaign against you, I'd fundraise against you, and make sure that none of you ever served in this public space ever again. And that's why we're here tonight. You have failed our children.

You, in a normal world, would be criminalized for your behavior. And for you to send out this boob bash is disgusting that you're promoting this. Mm, fierce and dead on. So Carrie, the way it was working was it wasn't like the school was creating the boo bash, but they were promoting your children's attendance at it, notwithstanding who was sponsoring it and what was expected to happen

there. Correct. Correct. It's so good to see you, Megan. Thanks so much for having me on. And thank you, Brittany. She is just a fierce patriot and I'm so thankful for her and our friendship, our 20 year friendship together. Yeah, it was very unfortunate, Megan, that I got word of this boobash and I thought there has to be a mistake. There's no way that a school district here in San Diego, California would actually be promoting such a inappropriate event for five-year-olds through 11-year-olds. And so I had to do something about it. And so I sent it out to most of my friends here in the area. And then I said, we need to show up at this board meeting. We need to show up and make our voices loud and clear. So we did a little investigating before

we did this board meeting. And we realized that it was from a third party organization called Peach Jar. And that's how the district gets a word of any community events. And so Peach Jar is very specific on, and the school district is very specific on the things that they can approve in order to be sent out to the parents, thousands of parents in the district. And so we found out that they actually violated their own policy. They're very strict. It cannot be lewd, obscene. It cannot be controversial, political. It cannot take one side without showing the other side. It definitely cannot have alcohol involved. So it's violating its own policies on many different fronts. And so I said, we have to do something

about this. And so I wanted to confront the school board and get answers from them. And they were not willing to speak to us. In fact, they didn't even want to apologize for it, unfortunately. So they didn't respond when you got you guys got up there and you did your thing. They didn't try to defend themselves. I said, we want to give you this opportunity. Please respond right now. And none of them would respond. They wanted to shrink back in their seats like cowards, like they are and not respond to the parents who they represent. Who were the parents? You can hear some of the parents like, oh, tisking the information that you were delivering in your remarks, were the parents

with you? I mean, were some people learning about this for the first time? There was, you couldn't even walk into that room. You couldn't even walk into the board meeting. I mean, Britt was there. We saw parents come from all over this county. We even had someone come from out of state to protest this. They are outraged. There is a huge movement of mama bears that are protecting our cubs and saying, listen, this is not anti-LGBT. This is anti-sexualization of our kids. We don't want it. We don't want strip clubs with straight white women. This is not a race thing. We don't want drag shows. We don't want strip shows. We don't want drag shows. They're trying to paint us as racist, homophobic, you know,

the same old typical. Yeah. What's really, what's really interesting is that you asked about the people that were there and by and large, the, it was a standing room only overflowing into the parking lot. And the people that came out were so angry about what is happening in our schools and that the target has been drawn so heavily on our kids. And there were a few who showed up to defend the board and the school district. But what's really interesting is that not a single adult who stood up in defense of this foobash and the decision with the district to support this and to invite everyone, not a single adult who stood up in defense mentioned the drag show. They couldn't even defend the drag show. Isn't that interesting? All they could do is go

to love inclusivity, that this is how we create a really caring community. How dare you attack a school board? This is all about being inclusive to diverse students and diverse communities, not a single one addressed. The whole reason we were there was that you are hyper-sexualizing our children and you're acting as activist pimps and not a single adult who stood up in defense could even touch that topic. Of course. Now, and what you were saying was so persuasive when you were making the point about you can slap the family friendly that the labeling doesn't take away any of the sting when your six-year-old shows up and somebody's gyrating his genitals in front of his face while wearing a skirt most of us choose not to put our kids in that circumstance you certainly don't want the school endorsing it right and now the school district is doubling down the show will go on and they have not done anything to stand up against this, the sexualization of our kids.

And they're not even apologizing to us parents. In fact, they're colluding. We found through public records that they are colluding with principals and teachers in the district that are calling us parents homophobes, spelled H-O-M-E, mocking stay at home moms. I mean, it's just disgusting. Their job is protect our kids. And instead they're harming our kids and endorsing this. Why isn't one parent or one teacher or one admin in the school district said, Hey, we hear you. We understand. And we're, we don't want this either. Not one of them has done that. So they, as I understand it now, they've got to go fund me for this trans organization. They're saying, Oh, we expect a tax. We expect a tax now at this event. And therefore we need to raise a bunch dollars to increase its security presence at this daytime family gathering. They claim it's cost almost ten thousand dollars so far.

I mean, you would think given the school like the school, it might dawn on them. We're at the point now where they're worried about hiring security guards. People are this upset over this might not be something we should encourage our parent body to take their young children to. Right. But they worry because in the the name of trans vote, trans rights. Go ahead. Well, every single politician in the area and that goes, I don't care how low on the school board you are up to being a county representative should have come out swinging against this. And instead, you want to know what happened in San Diego? One of our representatives for the county board, they came out saying that we are bigots, that we're being non-inclusive. And they posted this publicly on Twitter and said that they will be at Boobash

taking their three-year-old child. So we're up against a diabolical wave of evil out here in California, but it's not staying here. This is going to spread. This is going to spread all over the nation. This isn't limited to San Diego, California, but no, you're right. It's, it's so disgusting that rather than say, Hey, we're going to call this off. You're right. You uncovered that this is being put on by a gender reassignment center and a 21 plus gay nightclub. The invitation should have never gone out to children. We are going to denounce it and say we recommend children not come. Every single sponsor should have pulled out their invitation to children and every politician

should have denounced it. Silence, complete crickets. Instead, they want to raise funds to secure themselves against attacks. Now, all of a sudden, Megan, they're the victims. Yeah, of course, which they're very happy with. That's the role they're most comfortable with. They want to protect themselves, but we're not allowed to protect our children. Right, of course. So this is, I'm going to guess, this is not the first time the school has done something

that has rattled your cages because I'm getting a general feel for both of you. And I wondered, because since I've also been fighting these fights here, you know, in New York city, what is, what are the politics in your, in your school district? And do you think the other, like, what are, what are some of the other things that you've gone through? And do you feel like the parent body is on your side? Yeah, I do. Um, I think that after seeing this outrage of parents on both sides of the aisle, this is not Democrat versus Republican. This is good versus evil. And I think people on both sides are seeing that the hyper-sexualization of our children is not okay. You can be as far right

or far left and come to the agreement on that, that we should not be sexualizing our kids. I said in the school board meeting, would you affirm a little girl who has an eating disorder by advocating for her to go get liposuction? I don't think so. This is a mental illness and we need to stop affirming it. We have kids now that are coming out as furries. They're coming out as animals. When are we going to draw the line? And when are we going to say enough is enough? If we really care about our children, we're going to stand up. And so, yeah, we have three candidates running for the board right now. Andre Johnson, Justin Reed, and Thomas Angel. And we pray to God that they get into office and flip this school board. This is big, this furry thing.

I mean, this is actually really deeply disturbing. It's happening more and more with children. It's happening with adults. I was in a pet store getting stuff from my dogs. And there was a young woman in there with she's like 16 with her dad. And they were having an argument because he said, I already got you the leash. I'm not going to get you the collar. It's going to be inappropriate. And she said, but dad, you know, I identify as a furry. I mean, this is like open now, like the dad's buying her, you know, he's drawing the line

at the collar or the leash, whichever it was like the more and more you're hearing about kids in particular identifying as furries. I've told the story before. I, I know somebody who has a good friend who runs a corporation. He hired a young woman and the young woman was normal. No problems in the interview. She was kind of a star. She shows up the first day and says, I identify as a tiger. He's like, what? She's got to wear the little ears and the little tiger tail. And everyone needs to be respectful of her identity as a tiger. Now, this is not gender identity. And I would say as a lawyer, you as an employer do not need to recognize this or do anything other than tell her put on your normal clothes or you're fired. You're so that this is not a protected class, but we're so crazy about bending over

backwards to support this nonsense. We're letting kids do that. Like it's becoming bigoted to say no to that. Oh yeah. Yeah. But at the same time we're taking, we're removing all the boundaries, but then we're also like, have you heard about what's going on in school libraries, the books that are being put in to these libraries? You have all these books that are targeting three to six year olds, which is right when kids are starting to figure it out. It's targeting three to six year olds and telling them you get to choose if you're a boy or a girl, or maybe you're fluid, or if you don't feel like a boy today and you want to put on a dress, you're a girl and that's okay. I mean, this ideology is coming in so hard and so fast at our kids. And at the same time, we're taking the train track apart. I mean,

we're headed for complete destruction and it's affecting our, our kids. And that's why we have, I have a friend too, Megan, who, um, she was just telling me the other day, cause I didn't know about all this furry stuff until recently. I'm like, Oh my gosh, what's going on now? We have furries. She tells me that, um, one of the kids at her son's schools and her son is in eighth grade at his school. This this child identifies as a raccoon and runs around making havoc where he knocks over trash cans and he'll claw things. And the school can't do anything about it because he identifies as a raccoon. And I just, I mean, I laugh, but it's like, if you don't laugh, you're going to cry. And then you better start to talk really loud. Didn't you go through a phase? I, I, one day announced to my parents,

my name was going to be Taffy and Taffy and the witch. And I wasn't going to respond to any other names. Didn't make me a witch, had a fun with it for a day. No one changed anything about me. Kids go through these imaginative periods. Nothing changes at school. It doesn't say anything about their identity. We're the crazy ones. Yeah, it's so sick and twisted. I was a super tomboy when I was growing up. And thank God I didn't have whack job parents that just said, OK, yeah, let's transition you. This is irreversible damage that is being done to our kids. And it's what, all in the name of equality? No, this is not about equality. If we really care about our children, we're going to protect them. Like I said earlier, if my daughter

had an eating disorder, I wouldn't affirm her. I would say, we need to get you help, honey. This is madness. This is insanity. And I saw this coming a long time ago when i stood up in that pageant i saw i saw you did where are you where are you gonna draw the line if love is love where do you draw the line what if i love my dog can i marry my dog what if i love both a man and a woman can i marry both can polygamy come back where do you draw the line and there are that's the thing is like there are no bound we're taking all the boundaries out when uh you look at that i don't even know how to say it anymore lgqbt i don't even know there's all the letters in alphabet i don't know uh but there's

a plus right at the end it's like what what hides underneath that plus that's just open-ended yeah what's hiding under there what yeah what is next that's why it's not. What's hiding under there? Yeah, what is next? That's why the gay community is like, we don't need to be lumped in with the pluses. We don't need, like, lesbians and gays are like, these are not our issues. We fought our battles. We've won them. Like, this is, they should get rid of LG.

It should just be, and I don't know about B, but it should be TQ, Two Spirits, whatever. Gays Against Groomers has totally come to our defense. In fact, they came to the school board meeting and spoke and said, this is hurting the gay community. They've hijacked our community and our movement. And this is not okay. It's making them look bad when in reality, it's not them that's pushing this. This is the whole trans movement that we are seeing being pushed on our children. Why do you want to have a drag show in front of the gays? We're never trying to sexualize our kids. The gays were like, we want equal rights and we want, you know, all that. But like they weren't trying to push all this weird sexualization

stuff. That's like the very woke left. And yes, this these trans activists who I don't think represent the trans community. But the other thing is you get called a bigot if you object to one of these trans women trying to say, I'm the first this or the first that Rachel Levine in HHS, the first female admiral to hold this role in age. No, you're not. You lived 56 years as a man. You transitioned 10 years ago. You went to med school as a man, took advantage of all the things that men got back in that day for almost six decades, then switch teams. And now you want credit for being the first woman to, well, no, you don't get it. And that's happening right now in your old industry. As I understand it, a trans woman just bought the Miss Universe pageant and they are

literally calling her, it's a man who's now dressing as a woman. They're calling this person the first woman ever to own Miss Universe. What do you make of it? It makes me so angry thinking about the future that's being carved out for our kids. And, you know, I, I kind of backed out of all the pageant stuff after I was Miss California, I was first runner up at Miss USA and, um, I saw the industry for what it was and I didn't like what I saw. So I really backed out of the spotlight. And then Carrie was a couple of years after me that she was Miss California and first runner up at Miss USA. And, um, but I still hold like a special place in my heart for what I accomplished in that. And that it was a road to, uh, college scholarships and learning

how to speak publicly and learning how to dress and how to act like a woman. And I valued that, you know, I came from a super, super poor family and I knew that if I was going to have any advantage going forward, I was going to need to have to figure out how I was going to get to college. And so that was my journey. It was through the Miss Universe pageant system. So I still hold that dear to me. And when this news broke yesterday, I mean, Carrie and I were on the phone, just so, so sad for what's happening to women after centuries of

progress of elevating women that now we're watching, uh, we're watching our womanhood be erased and that we can never be a good enough woman to be better than a man. Like a man's going to be a better woman than we can be even to a beauty pageant, like in a beauty pageant that now, you know, Miss Spain, she in 2019, he, it was a man who won Miss Spain. And now you have a transgender man who is buying the whole Miss Universe pageant, which has always been about elevating women and giving them a chance. And you have a transgender man by this pageant. And a biological man, a biological man who's a trans. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Exactly. And I will say at least in that particular competition,

men don't have an inherent advantage. It's not like, you know, we saw with Leah Thomas in the pool. I would say that the women are still generally much more naturally appealing and beautiful as women than a trans woman would be. But you never know. You never know. They're going to start taking titles away, as you just point out, has happened.

It's just such an insult. It's just such an insult. It's such an insult to our intelligence, to what it is to be a woman. I mean, we can't even define what a woman is. It's so disgusting and disturbing. And only the women suffer. You don't see women, you know, trying out for the NFL and taking a man's spot. You don't see a woman beating a man's record. You see women every single day being erased, like Britt said, by men. I don't care what they want to call themselves. If they want to call themselves a dog, a cat, whatever, I am not going to affirm their psychological illness

that they have. This is not a woman. This is a man that wants to pretend he's a woman and now is going to take over the Miss. Is that going to be erased? Are we going to just have Mr. Miss universe? Like it's just such, it's insanity. It's going to be the Mixed Universe pageant soon. I want to get to-

Yeah, but nothing's sacred anymore. I think that's what we're seeing even with this microcosm on a Miss Universe pageant, which who cares? It's a pageant, but it does matter. It does matter. They're going after everything that makes women unique and special and gives us an advantage as being women. And that matters for my daughter. It matters for Carrie's daughter and for your daughter. Like what they're doing is death by a thousand cuts. And we got to recognize we got to recognize what's going on. You know, I was reading a provocative piece the other day and I was like, it is provocative, but it's not wrong. It was talking talking about men biological men who have the you know the

the surgery where they cut off their penises and they have somebody build them a vagina and the point that the author was making up forgive me because i can't remember who wrote this but they were saying it's not a vagina it's a hole that's what they get built a hole and so forgive me this is graphic but what they do is they reduce being a woman to, I guess, some perverted guy's vision of what it means to be a woman, just a hole for a penis so that sex can take place to the pleasure of the man. That's not what a vagina is. That's not what a female reproductive system is or looks like or is for. And so all of it is so reductive of women, of actual women at every turn. Yep.

Megan, where are the feminists? Where are the feminists? Oh, they're on the other side, right? They're calling us transphobic right now. Yeah. In real time, we're experiencing women every single day be erased, completely wiped out. And the feminists are completely silent. Yeah.

But what you just said, Megan, is so good. I got chills when you're saying that because that as graphic as it is, that's so important because that's exactly what they're doing. It's characterization. We're becoming cartoons like the drag queen. Yes. They don't look like women. It's I believe and I'm going to say something that, you know, is controversial, but I truly believe that all the drag queen, like this trans transgenderism making, like you just said, holes on men and calling it a woman is the same thing as what we saw with blackface.

Like, how is it any different? Oh, yeah. Like a woman creating women by cartooning them. Right. I don't see how this is any different. So, like Carrie just said, where are the feminists? Where are the people standing up and saying, this is so disgusting. And it's an, it's insult. It's mockery of women. You don't make a hole and call it a vagina. I'm

sorry. That's not what it is. You know, if I were to tell you guys that I identify as, you know, African-American, I love the African-American community. I see myself as African-American. And then I go now and I take a real African-American scholarship. What would happen if I say, oh, it's how I identify? It would never happen. But yet we're allowing this as women. We're allowing men to come in our space, in our lane and say, no, no, no. I'm going to take your spot.

I'm going to shatter your records. And I'm going to I'm going to tell you guys what it's like to be a woman. I'm going to tell you what to get what girlhood is 100 percent right. And I've got to get to Dylan Mulvaney. I've been mentioning this person on the show a lot because this Dylan Mulvaney just went and interviewed the president of the United States. But I'll show you a clip of Dylan doing the interview with our with our president. But then what I want to talk to you is about what to you about is what came out right after that.

Here's Dylan with Joe Biden. Mr. President, this is my two hundred and twenty first day of publicly transitioning. God, I love you. OK, so Dylan sits sits there interviews the president united states and then it comes out that dylan um not long ago dylan's only been trans for about two minutes um dylan had a post not long ago talking about how what we really need to do is i'm looking for it here embrace the bulge that dylan doesn't didn't feel comfortable this is a man who's dressing like a woman dylan didn't feel comfortable having to run around and taping Dylan's penis down all the time,

but loves to wear super tight clothing and really felt that we need a concerted effort to, quote, normalize the bulge on trans women like Dylan. In other words, it's it should be normal for you to see somebody who looks like that in a super tight swimsuit with a penis sticking out. And Dylan shouldn't have to feel uncomfortable as Dylan gets stared at by people who are like, what the fuck is going on here? No, hardcore. No. He is a absolute disgrace. And I think that every minute he gets airtime is just disgusting.

I think that his 15 minutes or two minutes of fame is completely done. It's an insult to all women and shame on Ulta for having two men discuss what girlhood is and womanhood is and motherhood is. They have no idea. It's an insult to women and every woman in america should be outraged about this and speaking out about it if you are not speaking

out you are complicit in this it's so can we just spend a minute on that that they they've used dylan at ultra beauty and some other trans guy i don't even know if he's trans he's he's a man with a beard and a long blonde wig they those two who have never been, I don't know, he says, how can he be cisgender? He looks like a woman. I don't know. Whatever. Okay. My team's talking to my man.

The point is no one there had a girlhood. No one on the panel had a girlhood. And these people who want to pretend that they did, that they understand what it's like to be a woman or what it's like to have been a girl because they dress like us for two minutes are delusional. I was talking to my friend about this. Think about your girlhood, right? Think about when your breasts developed and we first got your period or Leah Thomas cases. We first had to swim in the middle school pool when you had your new period and you didn't understand what the hell and like every girl who had that moment were like they didn't understand the pad tampon situation had an embarrassing

moment at the school. All that's just the the anatomy stuff never mind the emotional stuff that comes with it and like they've never had any of that talk to me once you've had to be bloated and your hormones have gone like none of it they don't know what it means to be a woman and that's reducing us to our cellulite and they're allowed to compete in this universe that is not fair good point no woman's ass looks like that. No woman. I know it's great. And you know what? It's, it's celebrating mental illness is honestly, like if we're going to be totally frank, that's what it is. And then we're being told that if we don't call a triangle a square, then we're the crazy ones. It's like, no, you don't, a triangle is not four-sided. You know, it's you, what we are witnessing is complete

mental illness being celebrated under the guise of inclusivity. And if we aren't celebrating along with them, then we're the crazy ones and we're the bigots. But I think that it's so far past time that we get beyond the name calling, you know, that's Carrie and I have been living in that for a long time where it's like, call me what you want to call me. I don't care because the world's falling apart and my daughter is going to be affected. And so that's where we're at. The name calling isn't scary anymore. It's not scary enough for us to stop talking.

You got to be strong because you live in super blue California. And I don't know, San Diego, I think is a little bit more right balance, but not so much. But we want to show women across this country. Like we're standing up in California. This crap is not going to take place here. So what message does that send to the mom, the single mom in Alabama? This we're standing up. What happens here happens everywhere else. And we're seeing that you saw Plano, Texas. I mean, this is, this is going to happen across the, across the nation. So Britt and I really want to give people hope. We are fighting this here and I want to give people that are listening encouragement to stand up. The time is now, now is not the time to retreat. I know you got a little bit of freedom back, but now is not the time to retreat. Now is the time to

double down, stand up, fight back, go to the front lines and really push back against this agenda because our kids are suffering. All right. I've got to ask you about another piece of the beauty pageant world and news breaking today that maybe there's a cheating scandal. I got it. I got to ask you that. And my producer said, please, please ask them for some beauty tips. So come up with one or two because America wants to know. And then we've got to take a quick walk down memory lane, Carrie, with everything that happened to you when you were Miss California and the Miss USA pageant. You were in the news all the time. We covered you every day for a while there. So there's much, much more to discuss. And it's fun. And it's coming up right after this. Thank you, girls, so much for being here. BRB.

I want to tell you there's an update now on the attack on Paul Pelosi. This is from the San Francisco police. They say the attack happened at 2.27 a.m. last night, that the suspect is named David DePape, that he is from Berkeley, that police arrived and David and Paul Pelosi were, quote, both holding a hammer. Sounds like maybe they were struggling over it. The suspect then took the hammer away from Paul Pelosi and attacked him with it. The motive is still being determined. This man's going to be charged with attempted homicide, assault with a deadly weapon, elder abuse, burglary, and several other felonies. Again, this is the San Francisco Chronicle citing the police there. And again, the suspect is from Berkeley. All sorts of reports about who this guy actually was and his history out there on Twitter.

We're not going to report any of that yet. It's not confirmed. But if it's this guy, it's going to be an interesting deconstruction of what drove him there. Okay, let's get back to our panelists. Two moms and former pageant participants, Carrie Prejean Bowler and Britt Mayer are with me. All right, so you girls mentioned that you both had the same sort of route through the pageant. Both were Miss California. Both wound up first runner up in the Miss USA, you know, national title pageant. And Carrie, that you were all over the news because when you were in the pageant, you gave this answer to Perez Hilton. This is 2009. Barack Obama had the same view as you did at the time, but you became super controversial over it. Here it was. Vermont recently became the fourth state

to legalize same-sex marriage. Do you think every state should follow suit? Why or why not? Well, I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage. And you know what?

In my country and in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that's how I was raised. And that's how I think that it should be between a man and a woman. Thank you.

First of all, that took guts. You knew very well what the sort of more PC answer was. And you said, no offense to anybody. So you could tell you knew that. But you said what you actually believed and you knew that it could potentially cost you the crown. Yeah. Unfortunately, I knew that my dreams of being Miss USA were completely over at that point, unfortunately. Because there'd been controversy before. What do you mean? Just, I just felt just, it was such an inappropriate question to ask, you know, to ask these young women who have aspirations to go on and do such great things. It was so sad to me that a gotcha 30 second question on national television would be, you know, of course, out of

all people, I would get that. But I really believe that God chose me, you know, of course, out of all people, I would get that. But I really believe that God chose me, you know, for that moment, because he knew that I was going to say the right thing. And regardless of what you believe, we should all be entitled to have our own opinions. We should never be punished for voicing our own, our own beliefs. And that's why at that moment, that gave me the courage to, as a mother now, oh my gosh my gosh 12 years later imagine how more fierce i am now um to stand up for what's right and nobody will take my voice away that is a good point i i don't i don't remember talking about it in that way like why would he ask forgive me for a minute but like a beauty pageant contestant about gay marriage like Like you're not running to be president. It was a man. Yeah. It was a man under the,

under the disguise of, you know, anything LGBT family friendly, you know, with, with that equality label slapped on it. Oh, that's fair game. But let's, let's say it wasn't a man exploiting a woman for his, for his agenda. That's what it was. I feel like, look, the question in general, like of a politician and so on back then is very fair. It was a news item that was being discussed and debated and so on. But I never could we say, like, why would that be the question of a beauty contestant? You know, you're not running to be president. You're not running for Congress. Yeah, I don't know. You're right. What do you look for in a man? Why did I ask? Why did I get asked that? Oh, my God. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. You're right. What do you look for in a man? Why did I ask? Why did I get asked that? Oh, my God. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Lucky me. Lucky me. Oh, my. Well, so who cares? Right. It's like you wound up being a national news story because of that. And then it was like, I don't know, you get dethroned. I can't remember how it all went down. But it did occur to me when I saw you up in front of that school board, like she's kind of had a lifetime of this. You really kind of don't give an F if people don't

like what you have to say, you're true to your beliefs. So how did that happen? Like what, what are your parents like? How did they raise this strong young woman? Oh, that's so, it's such a great question. And I, I, I'm trying not to get emotional, but you know, growing up, it was not easy. My parents got divorced at a young age and the tabloids like to bring that up and throw their divorce records all over the internet, which was totally embarrassing. But they got divorced when I was really young and didn't have a normal upbringing, I would say, but I'm not a victim. At the end of the day, both of my parents loved me. Both of my parents

told me every single day how incredibly smart I was, how I was going places, how God had a plan for my life. I really believed it and I knew it and I felt it that I was going to do something so big in this world to make the world a better place. And my faith really is what I give all the credit to. I mean, God is so good. And he used that little tiny pageant to further my platform. And I really believe like he gives us things that we can say, if we're gonna say yes to it, he gives us a little more and he tests us

and he sees, okay, I'm gonna give you this task. Are you gonna do the right thing? And when you do it, he gives you a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more. And so I just feel like I'm going to give you this task. Are you going to do the right thing? And when you do it, he gives you a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more. And so I just feel like I'm just so thankful that God has just given me this incredible platform as now a mom to teach my kids. Nothing is more important than staying true to who you are and showing grace and love

and not being hateful. That's what bothers me is they want to label me as this hateful, I'm anti, you know, gay. That's totally not the case. I have gay friends. I have, you know, so many people in my life that, that don't agree with me, you know, but we love one another and we find what we have in common. And so at the end of the day, my parents did a really good job. I will say both of them. My dad just recently passed away. I miss him so much. He was so proud of the bathing suit competition, which is like, wasn't that the most absurd thing ever? I mean, you guys have a much better standing. Because they wanted the bulges. They wanted the bulges. I was like, no one is going to watch this. Why don't we just have them compete on,

I don't know, some sophisticated theory of Darwinism. How about they get up there and read some encyclopedic volume? I mean, nobody wants to watch the Miss America pageant to begin with, nevermind if you get rid of the bathing suit competition. And I was proven right. Yeah. Yes. Why don't they want to see women that work hard and, you know, work hard for their figure? It's, it's, it's inspirational. Yeah. It's inspirational. It's like, you're like, okay, Victoria's secret. Look at Victoria's secret. There's, it's, it's inspirational. Yeah. It's like, you're like, okay, look at Victoria's secret. There's obese women now on the cover of Victoria's secret. I mean, everything the left touches, they've ruined, like everything is ruined by the left. And it's just,

so what about like, what have I got? I only have a few minutes left. So I want to make sure I get to my things. Um, do we think that there was cheating at the Miss USA competition recently? For those who haven't been following it, here's a quick rundown. Miss Texas was crowned Miss USA in 2022. She walked forward to greet the crowd. This is from Washington Post and then walked back to the stage. And that is when the other contestants should have greeted her, but they didn't. Many began leaving the stage. This is the first Filipino-American to win Miss USA, and her fellow contestants were not for it. Not because she was Filipino, but because they believed that there was some sort of cheating going on, that the pageant

gave her preferential treatment, and that Miss USA's umbrella corporation, Miss Brands, run by Crystal Stewart, that they've now been suspended by the Miss Universe organization. That Miss Brands is now being investigated for claims that the pageant outcome was fixed. This is exciting and kind of really interesting. I don't know. Not surprised. I will say, if you want to look for drama and controversy, look at the pageant industry. There's always something there. It actually reminds me of when Trump was running. Carrie, do you remember? Like, I remember all the major media organizations reaching out to me

because they wanted so bad to find something that he had done when we were Miss California. Do you remember that? Yeah. It kind of reminds me of the same thing where it's like, um, so during the time that Trump was running, he had just, I think he was no longer the, he had transitioned out of owning the Miss universe organization and they were so hell bent to get something on him. They wanted to make up stories of him coming into the back of the changing dressing rooms and all these allegations. And it never happened, never happened. But we, uh, we had such a frenzy of just media, um, activists trying to pin something on Trump that Trump had to have done something in the changing room. So it reminds me of the same thing where it's like, there's all, if you want drama,

just look at the pageant industry. I is the place to go. I am not surprised. They try to exploit women every single day. Look what they did to me. You know, 30 second gotcha question. They actually admitted that it was for ratings. So I'm not surprised at all. All right. So one thing I want to mention with the pageant before we move on is Carrie and I noticed

that in this whole transition with the transgender, the man that now owns the Miss Universe organization, I was scrolling through the article, reading it, you know, shocked, but I noticed a name in there, Paula Shugart. And she was my direct contact when I was Miss California. And when I was second place at Miss USA, she's who I dealt with rather than going directly to Trump. So she was his right-hand guy. And I noticed that she's still in there. What does that say about the women that are still in that pageant that are okay with what's happening right now, the deconstruction of womanhood in real time? Yeah. All right. Let's get to the important stuff before you go. We need a couple of beauty tips. Our young female

producers are like, they can have anything. We need something. I'm thinking, you're not recommending those enormous earrings that you had on, that. Wouldn't it be nice if we could dedicate our life to being like these bloggers that are like, all right, ladies, let's talk about makeup and hair. They're so good. It's like the world is on fire and we're trying to save the world. Stay out of the sun. Okay. That's good. I agree with that one. A hundred percent. What else? Oh yes. Brit has, oh my gosh, Megan. She, if you see her in real life,

she has the most amazing skin that you could. And she does not do Botox at all. Oh, come on. This is true. You're still young. One wrinkle. True. You ladies are still young.

By the time you're 51, next time we come on with you, Megan, we'll have like a little power hour and we'll actually tell her real quick about your light thing. What light thing? What light thing. What light thing you put on? Oh, I have an LED mask, Megan. I have an LED mask that I put on. It's an LED mask and the red light therapy, it helps prevent wrinkles. Oh my God. Where can I find this? There you go. I know. I think I, and I can't remember the name of it. I just look up LED mask for your face.

Yes. All right. They're all selling out right now. I leave you with that. I like that a lot. I like a little highlighter, but not too much. Cause then you look a little strippery, like a little, like, you know, on your, on your. Yeah.

I like a little bit of highlighter right here on the cheekbone. Just a little bit. Can't go too far. I like a little less is more, but I also want women to, to feel beautiful. And I mean, what woman doesn't feel beautiful when they put on makeup and do their hair? So I know I had a guy in the program last week saying, just stay out of the sun and don't wear makeup because it's toxic and embrace your, the natural you. And that's when I think I told him to F off. But I love talking to you,

ladies. Carrie Britt, come back soon. Okay, and all the best. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.