The Megyn Kelly Show - Performance of Outrage, and Gwyneth Paltrow Ski Crash Trial, with Jason Whitlock, Mark Geragos, Jonna Spilbor, and Angenette Levy | Ep. 518

Episode Date: March 29, 2023

Megyn Kelly is joined by Jason Whitlock, host of Fearless on BlazeTV, to talk about the fallout from Nashville shooting, the left and media blaming conservatives, a culture of victimhood, parenting today and the destruction of society, the harms of social media, a TV anchor fired over quoting Snoop Dogg, the performance of harm and outrage in today's culture, Sunny Hostin's ridiculous comments about China on The View, Hostin's commentary compared to her own life, and more. Then Angenette Levy of Law&Crime Network and lawyers Mark Geragos and Jonna Spilbor join the show to discuss the Gwyneth Paltrow ski crash trial, how Paltrow is performing in the court through her outfits and demeanor, the bizarre testimony of the plaintiff suing Paltrow, comparisons to the Johnny Depp - Amber Heard trial, the poor performance of the lawyers on each side, the plaintiff blaming Paltrow for his multiple personalities, Paltrow being unrelatable, who is likely to win, and more.Whitlock: https://fearlessarmyrollcall.comGeragos: https://geragos.com Spilbor: https://jonnaspilbor.comLevy: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/law-crime-sidebar/id1620223164 Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Very busy news day as we learn new details about the shooter in Nashville and the heroism of the adults involved. We will also get to the absolutely disgusting displays of anger being lobbed at conservatives and Christians in the wake of this attack, the victims of the attack. On a lighter note, in our second hour, I have been waiting to take a deep dive into this Gwyneth Paltrow trial, but we're going to do that. I'm sorry. I've been watching it every day after the show. I can't get enough of it. There's no one to root for. No one. I'll tell you why. I'll play you all the fun soundbites and we'll have a great legal panel. We need to laugh a little. And this is just the key to doing that. We'll go there in just a bit.

But first, we're going to talk about the state of our nation. It really does appear, it does feel like we're at some sort of crossroads right now. And one of our favorite guests is back to discuss it all. He lives just minutes away from the scene of the Nashville shooting. And wow, does he have some thoughts on this and a number of other topics in the news. Joining me now, Jason Whitlock, host of The Blaze TV's Fearless. With Jason Whitlock, he's also a columnist with The Blaze. Jason, welcome back to the show. Great to have you. Thank you for having me, Megan. It's always good to be here. I'm sorry to hear that you live nearby the shooting. I mean, that just brings a next level of trauma for anybody nearby it. And I saw your tweet the other day saying, you know, say a prayer for our friends of the Daily Wire who are under attack right now

by NBC News, a contributor there, blaming them in the wake of this shooting because it was a trans, the way you're supposed to say it is a biological female who went trans man, um, who committed the shooting and they're just jumping. And it wasn't just this NBC guy. Many in the media just jumped right to, Oh, then this person's anger that caused her to shoot children must be attributable to guys like Matt Walsh of the daily wire. Therefore, it's their fault. So I agreed. I appreciated your tweet and agreed with it fully. Well, I think the work that Matt Walsh has been doing, starting with what is a woman, has been very important work defending the fundamental truth and defending women just

in general. And so I think what Matt has been doing, he's been very courageous and I've always felt that he did this knowing that he was going to face some severe blowback, pushback and threats and potentially violence. And so, you know, after thinking about the families involved here that did suffer these consequences, I started thinking about Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro and Michael dysphoria, gender identity, the LGBTQ issues. And I think because of the work that I do, it's ground zero for the discussion about race and how race is being used to silence people and silence the truth and promote a lot of this gender ideology stuff that's becoming pervasive. And so I've always known that Matt was taking a real risk.

And then when you see this type of violence directed at Christians, directed at believers, and perpetrated by someone who clearly had some gender dysphoria and some mental health issues that America has, American culture has seemingly chosen, we're going to treat with surgeries and not with therapy and spirituality. And we're just going to chemically castrate people and remove parts. And Matt, the Daily Wire crew, those of us that are Christian believers, we stand against that and there's going to be real blowback for that. It's absolutely absurd. They're acting like a trans person got killed by a transphobic person. That's what they're acting like. That's not what happened. A trans person got killed by a transphobic person. That's what they're acting like. That's not what happened. A trans person unleashed hell on a bunch of nine-year-olds, took the lives of

three nine-year-olds and three adults who devoted their lives to teaching and helping children. That's what happened. The reaction in the media suggests it's the opposite way. I think what the trans people would argue, I would disagree with them, but what theyproduct of American culture not being accepting of trans people. And their argument is she wouldn't be angry and she wouldn't have done this kind of violence if Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Michael Knowles, Jason Whitlock were more accepting of trans people and normalized this. And, and listen, I think that her anger and the anger of a lot of people in that crowd is, is, is because they don't have a correct understanding of who they actually are. And, and that would be frustrating for anybody, you and and so i i get their frustration i think they need therapy mental help i think they need a better understanding from my view as a christian they need a better understanding of god and that their image bears of god and that they're made in

god's image christian parents and embrace that embrace that identity rather than defining themselves by sexuality and other yes no i get all that i get all that but like i mean i will say it sounds like her parents are faithful and that she was put through the same christian school that she went and shot up so i don't know that she took to it but the introduction of faith in her life had been had been there but she was obviously mentally disturbed and i get the the argument right that people who are not accepting of gender dysphoria as a thing or of the trans lifestyle however you want to phrase it um that this is what the left wants to blame people like matt uh or ben who michael um but you could if you want to play that game you know you could just

as easily play it with the far left activists, trans and otherwise are ratcheting up the rhetoric for people like this shooter, um, telling them over and over again, everyone wants to kill you. They want to erase you. They're trying to kill you. There's this crazy video posted on libs of Tik TOK today where there's this trans woman. I don't know. It's a trans. It's a biological man, I think, talking about how when the police come to arrest you for being trans, you attack them, you shoot them. This is a lunatic. This is a lunatic who shouldn't be in front of a camera and doesn't need any more amplification. But that rhetoric's out there trying to spin up

the shooters of this world, like this person whose name we're not saying, right? I mean, if you want to blame rhetoric, you could go that way too. Megan, the rhetoric that's being used to trigger everyone emotional and violent is across the board. We're in a culture where everybody's a victim. Every day, I could turn on the TV or hop on social media and find rhetoric that says, Jason, you're Black, you're a victim, this country's exploited you, this country owes you something, you should be mad as hell. And if a white person doesn't pronounce your name properly or cut you off in traffic or is rude to you at a grocery line, that's a sign of American's white supremacy. And you need to

get in that person's face. Or if the courts make a ruling that you don't like, you need to take to the streets and burn down buildings and terrorize people. That messaging is across the board. And so this woman was radicalized the same way I'm seeing a lot of young black kids radicalized by this victim ideology that's being preached and stuffed down everyone's throat. People have have issues and that's why we have therapists. That's why we have ministers. And that's why we have parents. We have people to help people work through their issues rather than just blaming everyone else and then turning violent because, you know, we might, people might disagree. I don't see myself as a victim. I don't see America as inherently racist or irredeemably racist. I don't see America as irredeemably sexist or very, I see America as sympathetic towards trans people, empathetic towards trans people, but there are many of us that don't believe that surgery is the right solution for their issues.

You know, counseling and mental health are the right solutions, but, you know, everybody, women are being told they're victims and that men have mistreated them for hundreds of years and taken advantage of them. And so everybody is supposed to turn violent in reaction to their mistreatment. And we just see it with so many young people. And that's why, you know, we're at each other's throats right now in this country. It's a sad time. It's so not reflective of the childhood and my first 40 years on this planet. It's only been in the last 10 years where everybody is a victim and everybody is supposed to be angry and social media is drumming up a lot of this i mean i have to say it it's very rare to have a woman commit a crime like this very rare you know and this was a trans person

so it's a woman who doesn't identify as a woman um but women women actual women are the victims of trans activists who want to take over our sports and our locker rooms and our bathrooms and our private spaces. And now our gynecologist offices. We are the victims of those crazy ass activists. And so I do feel like I'm but we don't shoot up people. That is not how women tend to handle their upset. And so it's no accident to me that, you know, you find out this woman, this particular woman who resorted to violence was deeply disturbed. The reports out today, the parents phrase it apparently as an nice people who were trying to raise a good child but they she was hiding a cache of weapons uh in in her house where she lived with her parents they did not want her to own guns because of her emotional disorder well they failed they failed i'm sorry

but they did it's i i you know i didn't have a lot of sympathy for the grandfather out in uvalde who shrugged his shoulders when he knew he had a potentially violent kid living in his house. Oh, you can't force him to go to school. Oh, well, no. You have the charge of a minor or somebody who's even 18 in your house. And in this case, not a minor, but somebody who's emotionally disturbed in your kid. For the rest of society, you must make sure you must make sure this person does that does not have access to the guns. And the reporting is that she had as many as seven legally purchased from various local stores, including three that she used yesterday, the day before yesterday, as she gunned down the six victims at the Covenant

School. So, OK, that's the latest reporting that she was disturbed. The parents knew it. They didn't want her to have the guns, but she had the guns. And on top of that, Jason, the reporting today is that they told police, this is from the Daily Mail, I believe, the parents told police she had a red bag when she was leaving the house ahead of the shooting. They asked her what was in the bag, but ultimately dismissed it, thinking she did not own any weapons. Now, that in and of itself is suspicious, too. What? Who stops the person on the way out of the house and says, what's in your bag? I believe they must have had reason to believe any weapons. Now, that in and of itself is suspicious, too. Who stops the person on the way out of the house and says, what's in your bag? I believe they must have had reason to believe

there was something unsafe in there. I'm not blaming this on the parents, but let's face it, parents who look the other way when they have an emotionally disturbed child are part of the problem on these mass shootings. Listen, parents and the destruction of family are certainly at the root of a lot of the chaos we have going on in America. I am sympathetic towards these parents though, because I don't believe America, I don't think corporate media is allowing us

to deal with the fact that Black Lives Matter, a lot of these LGBTQ, transgender movements, these are terrorist groups that are radicalizing young people. I saw a comment, I think, that Candace Owens captured where the mother, I think, had said, you know, my child was pretty normal until she went off to college. And again, these college campuses are radicalizing our kids and teaching them hate and teaching them to adopt a victim mentality that says the world owes them something and that the world is completely unfair to them. And so just like we say Al Qaeda or the Taliban radicalizes people, Black Lives Matter does the same thing. Much of this trans movement does the exact same thing. They radicalize and program these young people to turn violent and to turn very hateful towards this country, towards Christians, towards traditional thought, towards conservatives.

We're all, young people in particular, are vulnerable to this. And a lot of it is over social media. And so I do, Megan, I'm going to disagree. I feel sympathy. And I'm sure these parents aren't blameless. No one is. But I feel sympathetic for them. I say it all the time. I don't have kids. I feel sympathy for you as a parent. Like, it's so much harder than when we were growing up. I've been talking about this for years, how much harder it is for a parent's voice to be heard and to have a voice of authority inside a home. When I grew up, Megan, there was one record player in the house, maybe one TV, and my mom could be in her bedroom and know exactly what I was doing in the living room just by sound. And she would shout out, Jason, get out of that refrigerator.

Get out the kitchen. Quit doing that. Leave your brother alone. And now kids got headphones on. They're off in their own little worlds, on their cell phones, on their iPads, in their rooms, listening to God knows what. It's so much harder for you guys as parents. And so many other people have access to your kids nonstop. Godspeed to all of you.

I don't know how you guys pull it off. I say that in all seriousness. Of course, we always have this where you're more forgiving and I'm less forgiving, I think. But I am less forgiving because I'll give you an example. So there's this great kid. I think of him as a kid. He's a grown-up now. His name is Max Stossel. And he's the child of John Stossel, my old pal from Fox News. And he'd been on ABC

News for tons of years and a great, great guy. He's been on the show and we're friends with the family. Max has gone on to become one of these, almost like a Tristan Harris who worked inside Facebook and then became a whistleblower about how Facebook manipulates us and our children in particular. He's kind of in that role now and he's going around to various schools and he's talking about social media and he's great because he's young and he's hip and he's cool. And he talks directly to the kids. It's one thing for me to be like, no social media, it's bad for you. It's quite another to have this young, cool guy stand in front of the kids and say, it's going to mess up your life and here's how. So he's doing that.

And I love it. And he went to recently some schools in our area and the kids were asked, raise your hand if you're not, these are middle schoolers, raise your hand if you are not on social media. And my kids both raised their hands. My son's 13. My daughter's about to turn 12. And I said, how many people around you also had their hands up? And my son said, I think there were literally like four of us, you know, out of hundreds of kids, like four. And, you know, Doug and I have been telling them all along, you're not sorry, you're not getting on social media. You know, I've said before, we kind of use the fact that I'm out in the public eye as an excuse, you know, like just, you can't be doing that. But

also we tell them the truth is bad for you. It's there's all the studies show it's terrible for you. And there are other ways for you to communicate and maintain friendships. And it was so great to have the backup from this, you know, Max Stossel saying exactly the same stuff to them. And I was really happy that my kids felt like, cool, you know, I've managed to dodge a bullet here. I'm a little safer than I knew. And I'm glad. And even my daughter, there's some dust up with the friends. Somebody said something on some social media. She doesn't, she's not touching it. She has nothing to do with it. She's not going to get called in by the principal or anybody else. She's not even on social. So the parents need to be the bumper alleys. We need to make sure the ball stays on the lane. That's what we're there for.

And yes, it's hard, but it's our job. It is your job, but I just, technology is turning out to be the ruination of this country. I just, I just believe that. And it's because it's so vindictive and so mean spirited. And so, I mean, look, I hate to drive us a different direction, but it's just on my mind. Look at the woman in Mississippi, the news anchor for 20 years. She repeats something that's very popular in the culture, in American culture.

Fasizzle my nizzle. Snoop Dogg says it all the time and because of social media in my opinion they fired this woman because her boss is afraid of the social media backlash and he understands or she understands social media culture that if she doesn't fire this woman for a harmless joke jason can i can i interrupt you just to i know, we have it. So let me play it for the audience. So they know what we're talking about. This is WLBT, the NBC affiliate in Jackson, Mississippi. They were having an on-air discussion about Snoop Dogg wines and a colleague joked about the news anchor and meteorologist, Barbie Bassett getting a tattoo of the rapper like Martha Stewart did in a

recent commercial. And then she responded, as you just said, here is that exchange. He ought to have a collaboration with Julie. No telling what Snoop Dogg and Julie Levinway could come up with. I think that'd be pretty cool. Before we know it, she'd have a Snoop Dogg tattoo on her shoulder. A shizzle, my nizzle. I'm telling you.

Julie, what do you think about that? Huh. Huh, she says. So that's the exchange that now has this anchor off the air off the website they haven't officially said she's fired but she appears to be fired when they take you off the website you're a goner so go ahead well so the julie who's off camera is more social media savvy than the anchor and that's why julie huh, the black guy sitting on, standing on the other side, he's more socially aware. That's why he put his head down and said, oh no, social media is going to come for this woman and she's going to possibly lose her job

or be embarrassed. And so this is how social media has normalized in a normal society before social media had taken over. People would have laughed at this woman, given her a hard time. Oh, you shouldn't have said that. And that would have been it. But social media has trained us to believe, oh, my God, she's done something that's going to cost her a job. I better not participate. And so their reaction makes it even worse. This is the damage that social media has done to our engagement and

communication with each other. It's weaponized everything and turned us all against each other. I know I'm beating a horse that we've somewhat covered, And it's my pet project trying to get people to understand what social media has done to us. And we've all turned guns on each other at any time. We're all just content. And how can we exploit each other's content for our own purposes. And to sit here and see this, you know, 55-year-old woman that meant no harm, that's put together a great TV career,

she's ruined over a harmless joke and over a word that I'm sure she didn't really even know what it meant. But even if she did, pop culture has normalized. It's in every rap song. Snoop Dogg is in virtually every commercial. He did Super Bowl halftime.

I think a lot of us did not realize that you can't say even that N-word. I guess I won't repeat it. Even I did not understand that this N-I-Z-Z-L-E is another form of the N-word. And it's a Snoop Dogg thing. And even shizzle is supposed to be like another word for S-H-I-T. See, I'm reigning in the swearing mom. So I guarantee you this woman had no idea she was saying a substitute word for the N-word. But you know, even if she didn't know as you probably saw there's a push right now to not even let a phrase coined by a black person ever come out of a white person's mouth you can't the cnn article right you can't use a black person in a meme if you're right

digital blackface and this is sort of a form. So I mean, I don't know why that she's off the way. It could be because of the digital blackface thing. It could be because of the end thing, which I'm sure she didn't know. But I mean, whatever it is, the standards are so all over the place. And now you have a lot of people in the black community, even on the left, like Whoopi Goldberg, attacking this decision by this news organization saying, this is ridiculous. Listen, Megan, I know you were born in the 1990s, but I was born in 1967. And I've lived long enough. I've lived long enough, Megan, to remember a time when people could say inappropriate things, slightly and unintentionally. And everybody would just

let it go and just move on and acknowledge no one was harmed. It was awesome. And America does not promise you that your feelings will never get hurt, that no one will ever say anything that makes you uncomfortable or slightly offended. Social media has recalibrated everything that people are running around pretending like, well, America hasn't lived up to its promise. If I hear anything that I disagree with or slightly makes me uncomfortable, that's what America owes me. That's a joke. I don't want to live in that

America. Who wants to be that careful? Who wants to... Maybe I'll say this and I'll probably get in trouble for it. If I were a white person, I would be afraid to engage with black people. I would be. Because you just never know what

will come out of your mouth that will trigger them or trigger us. And you don't know it. Am I talking to black people? Am I talking to someone who's waiting to take me down to build up their own career? But don't you think it's not black people? It's woke people. I don't like to talk to woke people. So I would have no fear. I mean, a black person. Yes. A white person. Yes. You'd have to be very careful if you didn't want to offend. I mean, I think you're past that point and so am I, but yeah, that's like, it's these wokesters who are telling black people, you know, they're the ones with the messaging that were victims. But I don't, I feel like their messaging is failing. It hasn't failed, but it's not as strong as it was even two years ago. I feel like we're starting to see some promise in the fight against the woke. Uh, I think that's true. As long ase biden is in office and and once he's out of office they'll just drum up all the same little they'll find a new george floyd and everybody will be back

on television pretending like george floyd didn't resist arrest or whoever this is isn't resisting arrest and that the cops should just you know run around and beg people hey would you put these handcuffs on yourself please uh that that should be the standard and we should be once you know now that Trump's not in office they're in their plane a little bit nicer but it's it's going to regardless once they're out of office once they're out of power once if they ever do get out of power the way they can control elections but it's going to go back to the way that it is i i i don't i'm not in the look maybe i'm being too cynical um and too negative but i i don't i don't see it going the other direction. We had a nice little moment with Elon Musk taking over Twitter. That has helped. It is legal to have some

opinions that are conservative now, but didn't I just see, I don't have the details, but I think Michael Knowles just got suspended from Twitter for quoting a Bible verse. And so I don't have the details, but I think Michael Knowles just got suspended from Twitter for quoting a Bible verse. The Bible verse was about vengeance. He wasn't calling for it. As I recall, the Bible verse was basically like, don't seek vengeance. That's up to God. But it's from the Bible. So they took down the, I don't know if this was an attempt, like a failed attempt to be

fair and balanced. They took down the trans activist day of violence promo. And this was not the conservative equivalent of that. I think somebody got confused, but you're right. Elon Musk is making a difference. Just yesterday, we talked about the story on how, you know, NPR last week had tweeted out, uh, in, in response to this world organization saying, we're not going to let trans women compete against actual women, biological women in track and field. They tweeted out the article tisking the decision, saying despite the fact that there is very little evidence showing that males have a have a physical advantage over females when it comes to sports.

And and Elon Musk's new Twitter attached one of their fact checks, you know, the rest of us have been dealing with from the COVID lunatics and all these other lunatics on Twitter for so long. Now it's going the other way and they attached a fact check

with all the studies saying you're a dumbass, NPR. Yes, there are many studies to prove what we already know. All already know. This is so simple. It's not just about men being on average taller and stronger. But let's deal with this fact.

A woman competing in sports has to train while on her menstrual cycle. Has to sometimes compete while on her menstrual cycle. Leah Bill Thomas, the Ivy League swimmer, has he ever trained while on his menstrual cycle? Has he ever competed while on his menstrual cycle? I've never had a menstrual cycle, but I would imagine it's harder to train and compete while on a menstrual cycle than when you're not on a menstrual cycle. How can you tell me there's no advantage? Especially in the pool. Anywhere. Playing football or running track or whatever, if you're on the cross-country team and you have to deal with a menstrual cycle

and the other person never does, that's an advantage. Yeah. No, you're right. There's all sorts of issues. I mean, from bloating to breast pain to just feeling uncomfortable. And some women have endometriosis. There's all sorts of things that can cause a lot of pain down South in Rio and all over our bodies. It's part of the joy of womanhood overall, still take it rather than leave it but um yeah there's issues no question and you're right that's on top of the fact that our femurs aren't as long and our bones aren't as strong and our muscles aren't as strong and not to even touch on the testosterone which you know doesn't reduce what happens to a woman with her hormones when she takes birth control

pills and and leah bill thomas never takes birth control pills how about the old thing about like you know the baby how about the fact that some athletes get pregnant and have to deal with that too leah bill is never gonna have to worry about that yes leah bell i'm sorry but i'm actually growing to kind of loathe leah thomas i like all the stuff i've heard about this person suggests this is an arrogant, self-centered, nasty person who couldn't win as a man, decided to change over to women's sports. From the look of what I read online, it's because Leah gets off sexually on dressing as a woman. I don't know that that's gender dysphoria. A lot of our top trans activists who are reasonable have been saying, that's not trans. That's a sexual fetish. And then they stuck him in the pool with all the actual women where he won, of course, their medals. So I don't have a lot of tolerance for Leah.

Something about Leah reminds me of the typical man or the kind of, when I was young, kind of stupid, perverted thoughts you'd have as a young man. Hey, I get to go into a locker room and get naked around a bunch of really in shape, attractive women while I'm competing. That'd be fun. I would have enjoyed that at 21, 22. It's not. I think it's what gets him off, according to the tweets that someone named Leah Thomas and the Daily Wire took a deep dive on this, is liking all over online posts. It's about he gets off on dressing as a woman. It's himself in the women's clothing that gets him off.

So they put this, I guess, sexually aroused person in with female athletes who are just there to win, to compete and win, suffering from none of those other challenges that we just went through. And then they're like, oh, it's amazing. He won an ESPN. ESPN wants to celebrate Leah Bell during Women's History Month. Just the final salt in the wounds for people like Riley Gaines. Megan, I'm not you've got kids. I don't know if you have a daughter, but again, if you're a parent, is this the world you want to leave your kids? That they got to compete potentially against men? That they have to shower as young women

with guys that they don't know and don't have an interest in and guys that claim they want to be a woman but want to keep their bat and balls uh get to run wild and get trophies and get celebrated this guy's a frog and you're not wrong for disliking him he's a narcissist he's fraud he's a coward he's like who he's he doesn't want to compete he tried competing against men and wasn't good enough. And then said, I'm going to go get my rocks off and go shower with women and compete and get attention and become a celebrity on this gimmick. And I'm jumping around, but our values have changed so much. I know Tucker was talking about this last night and we talked about it last week, I think on our show that they've got, the Pew research has done something about how much our values have changed and how much

more we value money than we used to and how much less we value religion than we used to, how much less we value family than we used to. Our values have changed. We value attention. It's the greatest thing on the world. This is the selfie, narcissistic generation. We're all caught up in it. All of us, this dopamine that comes from social media and comes from just getting attention by any means necessary. China's laughing at us. While we're doing all these TikTok dances and trying to get people to, hey, look at me, we're not building better human beings. We're not building a better society.

And we've adopted values that just don't lead to long-term success. China doesn't even allow its Chinese children to go on the Chinese equivalent of TikTok during the day. You're limited, I think, to like 40 minutes or something. So I heard one social media expert say they got our kids all hooked on candy. They give their kids broccoli. And we just eat it up and say we don't pay any attention

to that, you know, too much candy can cause disease. Too much candy can cause obesity. Too much candy can cause you to get a little, you know, fuzzy in the head, not do as well on your exams. It's not really good for you in any way. Broccoli, on the other hand, is cruciferous vegetable. It can prevent cancer. It's really good for you. Makes your hair nicer, your skin.

Right. And we just keep shoving in the almond joys like, oh, what could possibly go wrong? I've got to talk to you about Sonny Hostin and The View. I'm going to save that for right after the break. It's the best clip of the day. I don't know if you've seen it, but we have got to spend some time with our friend, Sonny Hostin. Jason Whitlock stays with us. Don't go away. That poll you were mentioning, we talked about it few days ago too it's it was by the wall street journal showing the decrease in our old traditional values like family like love of country like love of god and the increase of love of money and um you're right too love of

self right and not in the good way not you know the love of attention that's a better way of saying it um so they had a discussion on the view about world superpowers from the sound of it that's how they got into it and um sunny hostin made some comments about patriotism and america and black america it's all in there jason i mean it's all in there, Jason. I mean, it's all in there. I'm going to tee it up. It starts with Alyssa Farah, who's supposed to be the Republican commentator. And then you'll hear Sonny jump it. Listen. If America is not the number one global power, it's not going to be Denmark. It's going to be communist China, a country that right now, the government is imprisoning Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps. It is a deeply racist government, it's a human rights violating government.

It is a government that if they are the leader of the free world, we are not a free world the way that we are right now. The notion of patriotism and the notion of America and the American flag has been co-opted by the right as if they are true patriots. But when I listened to Christopher Wray, the head of the FBI, he said white supremacy is the biggest domestic threat to this country. And so as a woman of color with a six foot two black kid in college and a five foot seven, five foot eight black kid in high school, I don't see that part of American exceptionalism. I'm sorry.

I think this country has a lot of problems that could be solved. Yes, maybe they're putting Muslims in jail in Afghanistan, I think you mentioned, and China. They're putting a lot of more black people in jail here. Oh my God. I mean, wrong. First of all, those Muslims being put in jail in Afghanistan. No, you dumb ass. No, it's a genocide happening right now in China with the Uyghur Muslims. It's been very well covered by your own network, madam. If you would just pay attention to the news that doesn't feature your face, you might actually learn something um so she's actually comparing the concentration camp encampment imprisonment of one million Uyghur Muslims in China to which she thinks is Afghanistan

to black Americans serving time in prison which the latest stats tell me just for by the by the by the numbers are 760,000 so So she's even wrong on the math, not to mention all those other things. Can you believe? Yeah, no, I can believe it. I'm just going to circle back to I've got a theme just as it relates to public figures and people on corporate media. Everything they say is tuned towards how's this going to land on Twitter? How's this going to land on social media? They don't care about espousing any truth. And it's just like, is Twitter going to like this?

And Twitter rewards still, even with Elon Musk in control, it rewards comments like this. And it's celebrated. And the whole, again, we're a victim and we can't acknowledge any progress in this country. This woman can't even acknowledge that she gets paid a ton of money and her kids live a very privileged lifestyle because of the ton of money she makes for sitting on TV talking about a lot of shit she doesn't know anything about. And I apologize for cursing. I'm trying to do less of it and I do less of it, but the woman has triggered me because she's an idiot. She's preaching to kids a victim mentality that produces negative consequences. If you see yourself as someone who can't make it here in America, you're not going to make it here in America.

She's ignorant of world history, of global world history. She's ignorant of virtually everything. She's just saying something that sounds good. She's supposed to say the woke people will applaud it. She can go out to dinner tonight in Hollywood with her elite friends and they can sit around. Yeah, you really stuck up for the underdog and the little people and you kept her. And it's all BS. It's just her trying to say something that she thinks will be popular, will trend over Twitter, get her back in the news cycle. She doesn't even believe it.

Let me tell you something. of whoopie called her out on that bullshit she would then be able to claim that they're racist and and people would go for it and that person would be in trouble and and and i i gotta be careful because sometimes i can veer into uh sexism but again if there's a man a real man sitting on that desk with them a real one he would call her out for that stupidity. That's one of the dumbest effing statements I ever heard. Do you understand anything about American history? And then walk her dumb ass through American history so that she gets it. But she's sitting there with a bunch of women.

They don't want to offend each other. They want to make sure they're all friends. On behalf of women, let me tell you that it wouldn't take a man. I could sit out there and a bunch of women. They don't want to offend each other. They want to make sure they're all friends. On behalf of women, let me tell you that it wouldn't take a man. I could sit out there and handle this just fine. It depends on the woman and the motivations on set. Those women just want to be stars. They want to remain under the clique lights

and beloved by the left-leaning view audience. So there's only so far they'll go. And Meghan McCain did a good job of calling out Sonny on her BS too when she was there. One of the reasons she left is it was intolerable to sit in that chair. But let me tell you this. This is what jumped out at me, and you touched on it. Thank you for doing that. She wants to focus, when they're talking about whether America's a great country, right, whether it should remain the world's greatest superpower, she wants to take us down by saying, no, white supremacy is

dominant in America. Just ask Chris Wray. It's our biggest domestic threat. I don't see that part of American exceptionalism. I have a black son. I have a black daughter. I don't see this part of American exceptionalism. This country has a lot of problems. Sonny Hostin went, she, I think she went to Binghamton undergrad and she went to Notre Dame law school, which is a great law school. Her son right now is at Harvard. That son she wants us to think is sitting there oppressed, who she's got to fight on behalf of because America is so awful to him. They're educating him right now at Harvard University. And Jason, would you take a look at this? Because I want to guess I haven't been to your house down in Tennessee, but I'm going to guess it doesn't look like this. This is Sonny Hostin's home in this shitty country that she can't stand,

that doesn't treat Black people like Sonny well. She let People magazine feature her home. Look at this dump. This country sucks. She went to Notre Dame Law School. She makes millions on The View. Her son's at Harvard. I'm sure her daughter's at private school on her way to some Ivy League.

This is where Sonny lives. And F off, America. I can't stand how you've kept us all in chains. That's her messaging. I'm going to be very politically incorrect. You know, again, these African-Americans are always out to prove how black they are. This woman's half Puerto Rican, half black. Her grandfather, maternal grandfather is Jewish. always out to prove how black they are. This woman's half Puerto Rican, half black. Her

grandfather, maternal grandfather's Jewish. She has identity issues. And so she's always in desperate pursuit of trying to prove just how black she is. They always do too much. That's why Colin Kaepernick, raised by the grace of God, by these two awesome parents, two awesome white parents that stood in the gap for his white mama and black daddy that didn't want him and didn't have anything to do with him. And then he turns around and takes a dump on these people that saved him from the abyss and comes out and says, they raised me in some problematic racist ways. It's the african-american that is constantly trying to prove how black they are and they're idiots and need to be told to sit down and go somewhere and and mind their own business

either they're they're not representing the actual thoughts, conditions, concerns of black people. They're out trying to work out their identity issues and have their black moment. It's a joke. It infuriates me. And anybody that knows me, anybody that knows anything about my dating history knows I have no problem with interracial dating. None. Zero. I don't have that kind of bigotry problem. I do have a problem, though, with people that aren't qualified and are trying to work out their personal problems by expressing opinions about this country and about people that are totally inaccurate, they're divisive, they're intended to tear us apart. to sit there and quote this Ray guy and the FBI. Oh, white supremacy. That's the biggest threat in the world.

When anybody with a brain has watched these Black Lives Matters clown burn down America, tear down America. We see the videos of the violence and where it's coming from. Someone showed me a video of the Proud Boys doing any damn thing other than standing around someplace and getting blamed for it. And again, that's not a defense of the Proud Boys, but I got constant videotapes of Antifa and Black Lives Matter doing real violence. And Christopher Wray and Joe Biden and none of these lying idiots have the balls to stand up and call out the left wing violence and the left wing racism that is destroying this country. And so great. Sonny Halston can repeat some Democratic talking point that's been fed to her by the FBI and Joe Biden, but she don't know what she's talking about.

I know. I was thinking about it yesterday when we saw those cops go into that school. Speaking of fearless, they went in there and did their duty, and they knew at any moment they could be shot, they could be killed, they could never go home to their families, but they did it. The same cops that we're told are racist bastards who are struggling now to refill the ranks that who retired after the beatings they all took in the wake of George Floyd. Those same cops, those are the ones who saved who knows how many lives yesterday, who, you know, Sonny Hostin. She was one of the ones who held up the hands up. Don't shoot fake news sign on CNN. Never apologized for it. Where's her mea culpa? She just wants to say she's

America's smartest commentator. Guess what? The facts show us otherwise. It's Jason Whitlock. All right. Speaking of Jason and what he's got going on, I want to tell you before we end, he is hosting the fearless army roll call conference on April 15th in Nashville, encouraging men to put on the full armor of God and to reaffirm America's core values. Give me one line on that, Jason. Who are you looking for? What are you looking to do? Well, I'm looking to inspire men to bear witness to the power, grace, and mercy of Jesus Christ. Bearing witness requires courage, not perfection. I'm a very flawed person, as you just heard me talk. And if you've heard me talk about

my past and the struggles I've had, you know, I'm a flawed person, but I'm not going to allow my sin to silence me from a truth that America needs to hear and needs to adhere to and obey. And we need to legalize the truth again so we can move this country forward. And for me, all foundational truth begins in the Bible. I love that you said, I'm not gonna allow my sin to silence me. Good something to meditate on. Thank you, my friend. Great to see you. Thank you. The trial of actress and entrepreneur Gwyneth Paltrow continues this week over a 2016 ski crash at Deer Valley Resort in Utah.

It was just there three weeks ago. A retired optometrist is suing Paltrow over the crash, claiming that she crashed into him and that he was the downhill skier when she did it, alleging that he sustained a brain injury, four broken ribs and emotional distress. He was seeking three million dollars originally. The court threw out part of his claim and now it's down to three hundred thousand in damages. Paltrow claims she was the downhill skier and she was the one who was hit from behind by Sanderson and sustained a full body blow. That was his fault. She is countersuing for $1 in damages and the repayment of her legal fees. The celebrity trial has brought no shortage of

interesting moments from the cast of characters involved. It's amazing. It's so good in so many weird ways, including, of course, Gwyneth Paltrow herself. Here to discuss it is correspondent and law and crime host Anjanette Levy who's been covering the trial for our pals over at Law and Crime. Anjanette, great to have you on. Well thanks for having me Megan, I appreciate it. All right so are you as glued to this at night as I am? I don't remember like since Johnny Depp I don't remember like just typing in Gwyneth Paltrow trial and I don't't care who the witness is. I'll watch it. It doesn't have to be her. I mean, whatever. She's interesting, too. But I will. Are you into this or what? I think that she I want the camera to be on her more so I can see more of the facial expressions,

the you know, the pout, the like when she doesn't get something, but she doesn't feel like she's getting her way or, you know, just the attorneys, the lead attorney, Kristen, for the defense last weekend or last Friday when Gwyneth was on the stand. I was amazed and amused at the discussion about high heels and liking the high heels and, oh, my gosh, you're 5'10". I'm 5'5", but I have to wear four inch heels. It's a little bit absurd, but amusing at the same time. And there's a certain bit of stagecraft.

I think everybody involved in this trial gets the stagecraft aspect of this. So it's hard to turn away from. That lawyer you just mentioned is the star of the whole show. I personally think she's absolutely terrible, but that's what I love about her. I can't get enough of her. I would never hire this person. What is she going to say next? What kind of amazing, crazy thing is going to come out of her mouth next? I know. I would never hire her, but I would never hire Gwyneth's lawyer either,

who I've got to tell you 100%, I'll play the clip in a minute, reminds me of the stuttering lawyer in My Cousin Vinny. Remember that guy? I cannot look at him. That's a good comparison. Yeah. On the first day, I thought to myself, could this guy be any more rude? I mean, you're supposed to kind of want the jury to maybe relate to you, but you're the meanest guy I think I've ever met. Yes, honestly. And the way he keeps, he's got some hideous cold and like he is snotting all over the microphone, all over the lectern, all over his papers and every, and sometimes he does have his tissue. Sometimes he doesn't, if he doesn't have his tissue, he just uses his finger to get the snot coming out of his nose, which is also

something that stuttering guy and my cousin Vinny did. I got a lot of thoughts on this whole thing but before we get to the fun, let's talk about the substance of the trial. So I outlined the dueling claims in the intro. It really is a he said, she said. And let me just ask you this as a procedural matter before we get started. Do you know why Gwyneth Paltrow was one of the first people to testify? And she appeared to me to be testifying as part of the plaintiff's case, as opposed to waiting until it was her chance to present her defense, which would be the normal time you'd call her.

I am unsure of that. And I found that to be very odd that the plaintiff called her during his case. And I apparently, obviously, that is allowed in this type of trial in Utah. But I found it to be very odd because maybe they're trying to show, oh, look, here she is. She's a celebrity. She wants to get out of this. And then they have Sanderson, Terry Sanderson, the plaintiff, maybe come up later in the game to show, oh, look, she's not going to accept any responsibility for this at all. And then they put him up as the older elderly gentleman, 76 years old, who suffered all of these grave injuries and a TBI and things of that nature.

And it's really impacted his life. So I'm wondering if there was a strategy, a strategic decision here. You've got all of the daughters coming up, the ex-girlfriend first before them. And now, you know, you get to Gwyneth, you leave with her on a Friday with letting the jury kind of ruminate and think about what she said over the weekend. And then you get to Sanderson to begin the week. So I'm wondering if there was a strategic decision there with that. You know, when I was back practicing law, I tried a case in my hometown, Albany, New York, and I was young and I was wearing my nice suits, you know, that I had just gotten with my new

lawyer money. And we had we had a, what we thought was a winning case, but we did not have a good star witness. And I remember before we went to trial, you know, the judge always tried to push the sides. Could you settle it before you try the case? And I remember the judge asking us, cause we were like, look, look at all the evidence we have. And he was like, how's your star witness? And he knew our star witness was not that good he just wasn't good he wasn't going to be liked by the jury and i'm seeing both of these issues in this case gwyneth i don't think she's that likable i i she may be telling the truth i don't think she's that likable and i think that's a handicap for her side and terry sanderson the star witness for

the plaintiff he's the plaint, is also very tough to believe. So both of these sides have an Achilles heel in their lead witnesses. And she's also got the extra Achilles heel, which I did not see in my own sparkly outfits. They did not cost anything near what Gwyneth's outfits are costing. They're talking about like a $65,000 bill for her necklaces alone. The Internet looks this stuff up. But that's not smart. I learned, too, in front of that jury.

By the way, we lost that case in front of the jury, and then we got it reversed on appeal. But, you know, these are factors you have to worry about. How are you coming across? I think, and I think she started out very poorly the first couple of days. The first day, and people, I got a lot of grief for this on Twitter that I commented on her clothes, but it's part of the presentation in a high profile case, especially when you're dealing with celebrities who are paying somebody to style them. You know, presentation is everything. And you have to show a little bit of respect for the court.

When she showed up the first day in that sweater, I thought it was it was a pretty sweater, but it was a little casual. Things got better as the week went on. But I think that it matters and how you convey yourself to the jury matters. And when she was sitting there looking like, oh, this is so, I'm so inconvenienced by this, you know, the pouting, the, the faces, I don't think that that plays well. Now maybe the jury there in Park City, Deer Valley will be okay with this, but I don't think it was a good look for her. I thought she was a little bit amusing on the stand at times. She kind of politely threw it back at Kristen, the lawyer. But at the same time, I think she started off on the wrong foot during this trial. And anytime

you're sitting there chuckling at things, I think that's a risky game to play. And I mean, she's a stunning, beautiful woman. She's a movie star. A lot of these people may know who she is, the jury, but you have to conduct yourself in a way that's a little more gracious, I think, inside the courtroom. Maureen Callahan, writing for Daily Mail, did what only Maureen can do. My God, I love reading her. she's like the best read um and she says uh she goes oh the pouting the puckering the 1600 saline bag and the 425 wide leg pants but whisper it in the case of ice cold actress versus the little people here's why haughty gwinnie might just win and we'll get to that but she also goes on to talk about how nothing says relatable like

your $65,000 jewelry. She said, nothing says relatable like wearing the equivalent of a down payment on a house. Yeah, I think I would have advised her to tone it down just a little bit. Be yourself, but we don't need to go over the top with the clothes. We get it. You're rich and you're successful. And there may be designers handing their clothes to her and saying, wear this to court. You never know what's going on behind the scenes. But I think you do have to, you have to be cognizant of these things. I mean, I remember, you know, somebody mentioned this during the Depp herd trial. I thought some of Johnny Depp's suits were just meh. I kind of

said that on Twitter. And some of his suits were, they looked great. He dressed for court every day, showed respect for the court. And I thought Amber's outfits, I think she could have used a little bit of help. Like the Colonel Sanders outfit was not flattering. So I think, but I think when you're saying to your audience,, to your jury and they are your audience that I am not at fault here. I didn't do anything wrong. I'm being magma magma animus and trying to make a point by just asking for a dollar plus my legal fees. I'm not countersuing this gentleman for an outrageous amount of money other than my legal fees. You have to keep in mind that how you act and how you dress matters. And but maybe the jurors expect this. Oh, she's a celebrity. She's going to be dressed

to the nines and wearing very expensive jewelry and clothing. I don't know. You're right, though, because the part of what was distracting to me when she was on the stand was the I'll see if my Botox Botox allows me to do it. But the with the like. The eyebrows up like, oh, yeah, I'll see if my Botox allows me to do it, but with the eyebrows up like, oh. Yeah, I might be able to do it. I'm overdue for Botox. Actually, I'm getting some pretty good movement. Raising the eyebrows, yes. So she's definitely,

her facial expressions are so affected. It's a turnoff, but then we got to meet the plaintiff. This is a whole host of crazy coming from his side of the aisle, which we'll talk about. So let's just set it up still on the substance. He's saying she hit him and his injuries from this crash on the beginning of a beginner ski run were catastrophic. And there has been expert testimony about just how bad he says he broke four ribs, two entirely severed, a traumatic brain injury from being, quote, knocked out by her after she slammed into him and all this testimony and how he's just like a different man, teary,

crying, the daughter. That to me, how do you think that's playing? Because it seems to me like an overreach. I think a little bit of it is over the top. I mean, maybe he did suffer some broken ribs, but there had also been some discussion about him suffering head injuries prior to this. Maybe this exacerbated that. But it didn't sound like he was all that great of a guy before this happened. It didn't sound like he, you know, his daughter, he and his daughters had this fabulous relationship. I mean, maybe he's just kind of a grumbly, disgruntled guy, generally speaking. So I don't know. It might be a little bit over the top on his on his part. Yes. 76 years old, retired optometrist. The, in the accident happened in 16. He filed the lawsuit in 19. They have one eyewitness and one eyewitness who is his friend, right? Who says it happened the way Terry Sanderson said that Gwyneth hit him. She's got a witness who she was paying her son's ski instructor who works for Deer Valley Mountain,

who it seems to me he's not claiming to have seen it, but he is somehow saying it was Terry Sanderson's fault and not Gwyneth's. And that's what it made. He made it kind of sound like it was indeed Terry Sanderson's fault, even though he didn't directly see it. He came upon this after the fact. It was interesting, though, because his friend, Mr. Ramon, there were apparently some messages from before the lawsuit was filed in which he was talking about this crash with other people. Let me just pause you there because this is a great piece of the story. So just first set up what Ramon, Terry's friend, said that was helpful to Terry and then tell us a little bit about how the cross of this eyewitness, the only guy to see the crash, went. Well, there were these messages discovered in which he discussed this and said that, oh, Gwyneth Paltrow hit Terry and he was going back and forth with other people about what he said happened. And it was interesting, though, because the cross-examination of this witness, it seemed a little bit combative. He was a little bit

standoffish at times, not wanting to acknowledge things that he had said in his deposition, whether or not Gwyneth was wearing goggles or a helmet. She's wearing goggles and a helmet, and you're so many feet away,, you know, everybody's dressed similarly. How are you going to know who hit who unless you really had your eyes on somebody? And these people could have collided and, you know, tumbling around and everybody's entangled with one another. So they went through his deposition, you know, point by point and kind of poked some holes in what he said. But these messages that came to light, I thought were pretty interesting because they were prior to the lawsuit being filed.

And I guess you could say maybe he was in cahoots with his friend. Who knows? But he was, you know, saying things that were different on the stand than what he said in his deposition prior to the trial. So here he is. His name is Craig Ramone. This is Terry Sanderson, the plaintiff's friend and the only eyewitness to the crash in Sade team.

I looked over and then about, you know, maybe one or two seconds, and then I heard a scream. And then I see this skier just slam into the back of Terry. And she just slammed him. And so Terry, she hits him right directly in the back. And so then his skis are like this. His skis actually, the tips go out like this, and he falls face down.

So he's kind of spread eagle and he goes face down and Gwyneth's on the top of him and they go down like this and then Gwyneth hits him and then bounces off and slides to the right about five or ten feet so that's the friend and then on cross-examination he was asked about what he said at his deposition, which didn't totally line up with his on-the-stand testimony, as you point out, saying, first of all, Gwyneth's lawyer points out, when I took your deposition, you claimed that Terry had his helmet on, but the person he collided with was not wearing a helmet. Didn't you tell me that the person, that she was not wearing a helmet? And Ramon said, I don't remember what she was wearing. Because it is somewhat implausible to think that Gwyneth Paltrow was on this mountain.

It's me, Gwyneth Paltrow. Hey, everyone, here I am without her helmet. She said she tries to like blend in with everybody else. She won't be recognized. Of course. And honestly, she was skiing. That's when you have your helmet. I mean, like, it's absurd to think it would be like a daredevil going down a slope of any kind without a helmet on. And she was kind of a beginner skier, too. So, I mean, there's just doesn't make sense that she wouldn't have had the helmet on. So it does suggest he was lying at the depot when he said, oh, I knew she hit him because I could see her. I could see the blonde hair and I knew she was the one. So they got him a bit on that uncrossed, suggested he was a liar. They also got him to admit that Terry said that he was okay. Terry, right after the accident, the victim, alleged victim, said he was okay. And the lawyer got up and said, didn't you say that? You said that five years ago and I take your deposition. And he responded, well, if I did, I probably didn't understand your question. I think you're taking this stuff out of context because I never said he was OK. But then then this interesting twist happens that you talk about where there's some online app called the Meetup app where people chat.

And Craig Ramone, that witness, was in there. And one of the viewers went in there and found an exchange by Craig that really helps Terry Sanderson. And it was well before Terry filed the lawsuit, Anjanette. Right. Yes. Yes. And he was basically saying things, answering questions from people in this app about the accident prior to the suit being filed, as you said. And the things he said in there did make it sound like he was adamant in there that Gwyneth hit Terry and that he was hurt. So these did contradict, these did counter Gwyneth's claims that she was the one who was hit. So what is the truth? Is it the deposition? Is it the messages prior to the lawsuit being filed? Is it what he's saying on the stand? The truth shouldn't change. The truth should be the truth. So those answers should be consistent. So do you have any back of the envelope guess on how this is going now, having watched that the plaintiff took a stand,

Gwyneth took the stand. This week, they read testimony from depositions from her two children who didn't witness the accident, but heard her down in the lodge afterwards saying, some asshole hit me. So even to her kids, she was maintaining the story of, I was the one who got hit. The plaintiff and the defendant are both kind of odd slash unrelatable or unlikable. How do you handicap this one so far? I don't know. It's hard for me to tell because there have been times where I thought Gwyneth was winning. But then you've got these other times where there seem to be things playing in Terry's favor. But part of me thinks, is Terry embellishing? Is there something more going on here? I know that they were saying from the

get-go that gwyneth was saying she was hit is it possible that they both think the other hit the other i have no idea i i guess that's possible but it just seems to me either one person is up the hill one person's down these things should not be that it should there shouldn't be that much confusion over who was who was going down the hill who was farther down who had the right of way who was supposed to yield so i don't know it could end up being a wash i i don't know but by all accounts it seems like the jury is kind of enthralled by this and whether or not they are going to believe gwyneth over over terry we'll just have to wait and see. I don't think it was a good look for him to not be in the courtroom during a lot of the testimony. I guess

he wanted his daughters to be able to speak freely and not feel pressured, but they're your daughters. They should be able to sit there and tell the story or what they experienced from their vantage point without feeling pressured by dad. So it just seemed like a very strange dynamic. Yeah. Yeah. He claimed they were going to give testimony about what, how bad he is now, like what, how, how much brain function he's lost. And, uh, you know, the, the, the lawyers represented, oh, he, you know, Mr. Sanderson doesn't want the look, the daughters don't want the dad to hear that. So he's going to be outside of the courthouse courtroom for their testimony. We'll see. It gets, does the jury get the case tomorrow? I heard it's wrapping up Thursday. Yeah, it could be tomorrow. It sounds like it

could be tomorrow. It was supposed to last eight days. So, so we'll see. It sounds like things are winding down and wrapping up and we'll be keeping an eye on it, of course. How much more could there be? A law and crime network. Love it. Right. Right.

I mean, how many more witnesses could we get on there? Love your coverage, Anjanette, not just of this case, but of all of them. Well worth a follow on Twitter as well. Great to see you. You too. Thanks for having me. All right. We're not done.

We're going to be right back with Mark Garagos and Janice Bilbor, who have been watching this trial, and we're going to play you all the soundbites in this next segment and talk about why the internet is comparing Gwyneth Paltrow to Jeffrey Dahmer. Sometimes the internet is a force for good, notwithstanding that discussion in hour one. Here to continue our coverage of the Gwyneth Paltrow ski crash trial is Mark Garagos trial lawyer and managing partner at Garagos and Garagos and John Spilbor criminal defense attorney and founding attorney at John Spilbor law okay so back to Maureen Callahan who I just absolutely adore she goes into uh like her observations on this trial and she says says, there's Gwyneth, typical Gwyneth,

with her sipping green juice, hiding her face from the non-existing paparazzi, holding her face behind her $250 monogram Smithson notebook, which she loves so much because it has no lines.

Pouting, puckering, wan expressions of boredom, her barely concealed texting during testimony. It's quintessential Gwyneth who once said, I am who I am. I can't pretend to be somebody who makes $25,000 a year. I love Maureen. This is one of the reasons why most celebrities would not go to trial.

The closer look we get at them, the less we tend to like them. And let's face it, we don't tend to be rooting for them going into it, do we, Mark? No, we don't. You know, you and I discussed before, Depp and Heard, who wants to air that? I actually think in some ways, Johnny came out of that much better than I ever expected. But this has been this. I was telling your producer, Megan, I'm more fascinated by this case than Depp and Heard for a variety of reasons. The lawyering in this case, nothing gets me more excited than watching the lawyering in this case. It's amazing. We've got to kick it off, guys, with the lawyer,

Kristen Van Orman. I'm sorry. I have a love-hate relationship with her. I do not want to be like her. I do not want to be just like her, but I can't take my eyes off of her. Here is the highlight, or depending on your view, low-light reel of her. And I'm assuming you're under oath here that you're a good tipper. Yes. Hey, fantastic. I wouldn't expect anything less. I'm a mom, right? I've got a couple of kids, um, actually about your age and one of them, not your age, your daughter's age. Sorry. I'm not that old. May I ask how tall you are? I'm just under five, 10. Okay. I am so jealous. I think I'm shrinking though. You and me both. I have to wear four inch heels just to make it to 5'5". They're very nice. Thank you. We're about the same height, about 5'5", with heels?

Roughly. Oh, tell me I'm taller, please. I was yelling at him. Pretty loud. Pretty forceful. I was pretty upset. Right? You're small but mighty. Actually, you're not that small. You were wearing goggles and helmet. Yes.

Okay, kind of looked like everybody else on the slope. That's always my intention. Okay. Probably had a better ski outfit, though, I bet. I still have the same one. Oh my God, Jonna, is it over? Did it stop? It's just, it's never going to be over. Never going to be over. You know, this whole fangirl thing that she had going on is literally cringe worthy. And if I were her client,

I'd be a little ticked off because the message that sends to the jury is, even I like her, you know, and I have to cross-examine her because she did my client wrong. Like it was just really, really horrible. And she was trying too hard. And I'm going to have nightmares about,

you know, that whole, when she made the comment about, you're not that small. I just wish I could have gotten inside Gwyneth Paltrow's head at that very moment. I see. I had a different interpretation of the motivation behind those moments. Mark, but let me, let me tell you, I don't see her as trying to ingratiate herself with Gwyneth Paltrow. I think that's her. I'm just like you members of the jury. I'm poor, not rich. I'm short, not tall. I don't have a fancy ski outfit. I recognize how unrelatable Gwyneth Paltrow is. And I'm just making a big joke out of it all that only we, the Utahns watching this, get. Well, so you took the thought right out of my head. I said,

what I was going to say is one of the reasons I don't do state court outside of California is because the peculiar culture is something you just can't tap into that quickly. And if this is effective in that Utah state court, then that proves my point because- Right, never go. It's cringeworthy. Utah doesn't sound right. My viewers in Utah need to tell me how to say that.

Utansian? I don't know how we refer to our friends in Utah. I know they're not all like this because I know a lot of folks who live there. So I think she is making a miscalculated attempt to ingratiate herself with the jury. I don't think it's going to play. But the lawyer representing Gwyneth Paltrow in his own way is equally annoying. So he's been kind of a jerk at various times. And he's also a little bit of a stutterer, like he doesn't have a stutterer. He just like he trips on his words a fair amount. And the thing that's driving me crazy is this massive head cold that he appears to have

where he is snotting all over every trial exhibit, his hands, his nose. He's got like the tissue. He's shoving the tissue up his nostrils with every other question. Take a Sudafed for the love of God. It's distracting. It's gross. He's really sticking it up the nostril. Here we go. Highlight reel. And I'm sorry. Megan, has the thought crossed your mind? Isn't this guy reminiscent of the public defender in My Cousin Vinny? Oh, my God.

I said that. Not only did I say that, I have it queued up for you, Mark Garagos. Here's the man. Here he is. Nobody told me, babe. January 4th of this year, my client did indeed visit the Sack of Suds

convenience store, but, but he didn't kill anyone. He, he, Mark. I cannot watch this without thinking of that scene,

without thinking of the opening statement. It just, I never, that's why I said this to me is infinitely more intriguing than Depth Beard. Megan, I have a phrase for him. He is purposely unpolished, is the phrase I have for her attorney. And if you keep showing my cousin Vinny clips, I'm going to do

my best Marissa Tomei impersonation. It's phenomenal. I usually save it for after I've had a cocktail, but I'll do it for you if you want me to. We can talk about it later. Hell yes. Who cares about the trial? Let's see it. All right. Well, I have to say I'm going to I can say any word I want, right? Yeah. Yeah. Miss Vito. Yes.. Vito. We want to hear from you. This is the line. It's called disclosure, you dickhead. Not bad. Not bad.

Very good. There's so many classic moments from that movie, right? When she's like, imagine you're a deer. The whole scene. In your fucking head. Sorry. Okay. That was an unnecessary swear. All right. So here's what Gwyneth Paltrow said happened to her. She claims she was the innocent victim minding her own

business. And what she thought was a perverted dude came from behind between her legs with his skis and whammo they're down in the snow. Watch. I was skiing and looking downhill as you do. And I was skied directly into by Mr. Sanderson. I didn't know if it was an intentional assault of a sexual nature. Right. Okay. Was he grinding and thrusting or something or just the noises? What made you think it was a sexual assault? So that was a quick thought that went through my head when I was trying to reconcile what was happening. I was skiing and two skis came between my skis, forcing my legs apart. And then there was a body pressing against me and there was a very strange

grunting noise. So my brain was trying to make sense of what was happening. I thought, is this a practical joke? Is someone doing something perverted? This is really, really strange. My mind was going very, very quickly and I was trying to ascertain what was happening. He was still on the ground, right? Yes. When you said, what are you doing? Yes. Okay. why did you do that? Yes. And he said, I think you skied into me. Yes. And that's when you were furious and said, you skied directly into my effing back at the top of your lungs. Yes, I did. Okay.

I apologize for my bad language. After you were screaming to him, isn't that when Mr. Sanderson said, I'm sorry, I'm sorry? That I thought it was very minor on the day. And you didn't stick around long enough to find that out? I stuck around long enough for him to say he was okay to stand up, that he told Mr. Christensen he was okay. All right. So before we play the plaintiffs, what did you make of her, Mark? I made that I'm going to make a bold prediction on your show that this is the subject. That clip will be the subject of a Saturday Night Live skit this week. I have no doubt because the amount of

comedic material that was just there. And by the way, this, can you imagine Megan go back to when you were trying cases? Most of the judges I know would have gone ballistic on me if I had even tried any of this stuff. I mean, there was the one moment where the woman cross-examining her, who we talked about the lawyer, try to get Gwyneth to come down off the stand and do a reenactment with the lawyer on whose legs went into who she was going to, I guess, come from behind and like do the grunting. I have no idea. Thank God there was an objection, which was sustained. No one needed to see that. All right. So that was fine. That was her. I mean, I will say I didn't like her little

John, you know, like I'm sorry, forgive me for swearing you know come on right she's so fake yeah that that was a little fake i also thought it was odd i mean she lost some points with me because i can think of a lot of situations where she might feel that somebody was sexually assaulting her but going i don't know 20 miles an hour down a ski slope really that just didn't add up for me. Like, it's more plausible that you're just going to bump into somebody and fall down. It's not plausible that somebody is going to come at you 20 miles an hour and try to cop a feel. So that didn't make any sense. That's such a good point. Why didn't I think of that before this moment? I mean,

one time I was in Italy, there was a guy jerking off on a bike as he went by me. That was actually very, I mean, that was, that was impressive. It was nimble. It was nimble. So, but like in a ski mountain, in your gear, that's an extreme. Fell flat. Fell flat on me when she said that. This is why you're a brilliant lawyer, because you think of, you get the really sensible takes on things. All right, so let's wait no longer. Here's Terry Sanderson, the plaintiff in this case, trying to reenact what he says happened in his eyes. This is SOT 14. There was nothing, nothing in front of me.

And so I came around that corner and it was, it takes my breath away to I this is hard because I don't like going through this scene I I just remember everything was great and then I heard something I've never heard it and then boom and it was like somebody was out of control and gonna hit a tree and was gonna die and that's what I had until I was hit you know I got hit in my back my back so hard. I'm right at my shoulder blades, and it felt like, and was perfectly centered, and the fists and the poles were right there at the bottom of my shoulder blades. Serious, serious smack. Never been hit that hard, and I'm flying. I'm absolutely flying. Now, you're not airborne. Well, all I saw was a whole lot of snow,

and I didn't see the sky, but I was flying in that sense. Did the person who struck you land on top of you? I wouldn't know that. I absolutely would not know that. I was just surprised. I had no upper body strength enough to be able to catch myself. I had no idea. Do you remember hitting your head on the ground? No, that part. No, that's all gone. Okay. Before we react to that, I'm just going to give you a flavor of how cross-examination went, because we cannot discuss Terry without discussing moments like this one, SOT16. Do you recall saying that you agreed that saying I'm famous was a crazy thing to say? Agree? Absolutely, it's not me.

Don't buy into that. But it was you, right? Just to be clear. When you say it wasn't me, it was, in fact, you. It's the other personality that's inhabiting my body right now. And you blame Gwyneth Paltrow for that?

Yes. No question. Who would like to start on that one i once had a preliminary here in megan where the the woman who was the accuser against my client admitted on cross-examination that she had multiple personalities and that one personality had been the victim of my client. And this apparently, that woman was actually diagnosed with a psychiatric illness. I don't understand what this guy is doing. I don't understand why his lawyer thought this was a good road to go down. They had coming attractions. They knew from the deposition that he was going to say these things and he's going to blame Gwyneth for his split personalities.

Yes, that's what happened, John. What we were seeing there on Cross for the audience is he had tweeted to his daughter, sorry, texted to his daughters after the accident, I'm famous because he was in the news for having collided with Gwyneth Paltrow. And there was testimony by one of his daughters that he'd been Googling himself and kind of getting off on seeing his name out there linked to Gwyneth as like, I'm a star. And he admitted at his deposition, you know, that he did do that. And now the lawyer's trying to rub it in his face. And he's saying it was his, his split personality caused by this brain injury that the normal Terry would never have celebrated his fame. Right. You know why? Because the normal Terry didn't just have multiple personalities. The

normal Terry must have had multiple bodies because he used to be able to multitask by driving down the road and reading at the same time. And part of his damages is he's no longer able to do that. Thank the Lord. So I thought it was kind of funny that his damages are actually, one of his daughters said, part of his damages are damage to his personality because his personality has changed. Not that that happens anyway, when you're, you know, maybe getting up in years and how do you prove damage to a personality? So this guy, uh, you know, this adds credence to the theory that he is only here because it is Gwyneth Paltrow. And if it were John Q public, we never would have heard of Terry Sanderson.

I know the thing, the feeling you get Mark, that he may be lying about his damages undermines his entire claim. I agree. He comes off as a grifter. And this does not help the cause at all. But by the way, it's kind of a battle of who do you want or detest more on this case? Because it really is when one side does something, the other side says, oh, yeah, well, I'm going to one up you. It's just the that's why it's so fascinating and intriguing. It's true. She found the perfect lawyer for her because, you know, she's off. She is off socially.

Like, I mean, just the stuff I was quoting from Maureen Callahan, you know, like, oh, I can't act like that. And she she got she was in the news, according to Maureen, for she was on some Vespa and almost like cut off a school bus full of children. Like she's just a little flighty and a little out there and not somebody you can really relate to very well if you're sitting in that jury box. And and yet he appears to be lying. But he's got the witness. He's got the friend. Give her lawyer credit. He kind of dismantled this guy

with that aw shucks cross-examination of his. I don't know how he recovers from that, especially because he's got the burden of proof. Unless, like I said, unless this plays well in Utah. I've tried cases in Utah. I just don't find that to be true. But he's got the burden of proof, unless, like I said, unless this plays well in Utah. I've tried cases in Utah. I just don't find that to be true. But he's got the friend who's the eyewitness. And not only does the friend, of course, it's his friend, get it, the friend wants to support Terry. But as we were talking about with Ann Jeanette, they found messages that the friend posted online, I'm trying to find the exact

ones, earlier before this case was ever, here they are, ever filed, in which he said things like the following. She took her plane at a millionaire airport. What makes me mad is Gwyneth took out Terry and then took off. Another one reads, Terry was not doing the man thing.

He had a bad hit to the head. You do not get taken down the hill by ski patrol if you were hit on the ass. He's saying like he didn't just stand up and say he's fine. He might have said in the moment that he I'm OK. But the way the witness testified about it, it was just like, oh, yeah, I'm OK. You know, like he didn't know what had happened to him yet. And then he writes on what you did not see was Terry was knocked out cold. I did see the hit. Terry did not know his name. I asked him and he did not know.

And he goes on to say, you're trying to make light of it. You guys didn't see what I did see. So that's pretty helpful. How do you get around that, Jonna, as Gwyneth's lawyer? I'll tell you how. First of all, Gwyneth Paltrow is the size of a straw. These two collided. She basically hurt her knee and had to go get a massage.

He's claiming traumatic brain injury. That doesn't add up, Megan. Now, you know, granted, I know sometimes you could have a car accident, right? That's a slow moving car accident. One person can get very hurt. The other person doesn't. But when you're person to person like that, it just doesn't make sense for him to be that injured.

And don't forget, her camp brought in some experts. And I think there was an expert on the stand earlier today talking about examining his brain scans. And he was his brain was the same as now as it was before the ski accident. So he's got the science isn't on his side. Let's put it that way. In addition to that, not only is the science not on his side, if you watch him on direct, which the jurors will, and then watch him on cross, he clearly is changing or he's got that kind of facile ability to change his memory, to change his recall and to change kind of the the appearance of how he's acting.

That's not somebody who's had TBI. And they're even talking about in the, his lawyers are talking about confabulation. I mean, it seems a little crazy. Under cross-examination of the University of Utah's director of stroke rehab, who got up there, Terry, the plaintiffs got to cross him. He was Gwyneth's lawyer. And this guy had said, this guy, he probably didn't have a loss of consciousness, I don't think he did. And if so, he can't be called a concussion. He had preexisting anxiety and depression. He has a history of drug seeking prior to this collision and goes on. team asked him this witness about the phenomenon of confabulation in which a person invents

experiences that never happened while earnestly believing that they did suggest him being any inconsistent testimony by Mr. Sanderson was the result of his brain injury. Well, that's convenient, Mark. Isn't it? I just I just actually you could take that and shove it right back at them because that he could have had confabulation prior to this. And that would, and it really would have been supported by some of this testimony. So I don't understand what they're doing. I don't even understand why this case is being tried. The insurance companies I would have thought would have said no to this nonsense. Well, a lot of people think that she is in the right and they believe her because she's a

celebrity, Jonna. And they think, why would a celebrity put herself through this? $300,000 is not that much for someone who's flying out to Deer Valley on a private jet and has a $65,000 necklace on. Not to mention the $2,000 shoes and so on. While she's out in this court and subjecting her children to taking depositions, her husband, like she's in it. She is in it to win it. You know, I thought the same thing. And similar to what you said, Mark, like, why didn't this settle? And the only thing I can think of is one of them had to be unreasonable, right? So either her camp said, we're not going to pay, we're not even going

to pay nuisance value to make this go away. Or the other side said, we're not going to settle for nuisance value. And I'm more inclined to think because of the celebrity factor, it would be, you know, the plaintiff side claiming, I might as well go all the way. I got nothing to lose. I get to spend, you know, five days sitting next to Gwyneth Paltrow in a courtroom while she looks like she'd rather be eating ground glass. And that's going to be my claim to fame. No, not ground glass. There was a judge here in LA who once said he was head of the mediation practice in LA spirit court. And he once said that a trial is basically to determine who the asshole is. So many choices. So Gwyneth, we've talked a little bit about her fashion.

She made news at the top of the trial, which was my favorite news of the week, I have to say, where she wore these glasses, which I love when the internet does this. Somebody remembers what this look reminds them of, and they're spot on. What it reminded them of was serial killer and cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer. It's spot spot on The two of them We gotta do this side by side Where you can see them together It was perfection I absolutely loved it I think that was a mistake

With those glasses and that look But Jonna, one of the reasons why people don't like Gwyneth And why it wasn't cut glass She was thinking about eating, making those faces It was her normal diet of bone broth Is because of of sound bites like this, which hit the internet just last week, her sharing her wellness routine on the Art of Being Well podcast. Listen to this. What's your wellness routine look like now? I eat dinner early in the evening. I do a nice intermittent fast. I usually eat something about 12. And in the morning I'll have some things

that won't spike my blood sugar, right? So I have coffee, but I really like soup for lunch. I have bone broth for lunch a lot of the days. Try to do one hour of movement. So I'll either take a walk or I'll do Pilates or I'll do my Tracy Anderson. And then I get in the sauna, I dry brush and I get in the sauna. So I do my infrared sauna for 30 minutes. And then for dinner, I try to eat, you know, according to paleo. So lots of vegetables. It's really important for me to support my detox. It's like looking in the mirror. No, that's your, isn't that your routine? Yeah. I, you know, yeah i you know i do that i do that every day when i'm not a nurse in a hangover she's just so she's just so think about

it she created a candle that she said was vagina scented okay so why should we really want to emulate her daily routine it's like oh you know i get up every morning i do a little yoga then i eat air then I do some more yoga. Then I dry brush and I get a massage. How nice of you. Some of us have to work. Did I smell my vagina? Mark, I'm going to sandwich me between you two and talk about. I'll send you the candle. How are you going to sandwich me between you two and talk about the Giants? How is that possible?

I'll send you the candle. Okay. So she did have a moment of being out of touch, or so it would seem, so it sounded to many, when she talked about why she's suing for $1. Why is she suing at all, really? Why does she have a counterclaim? And here she was talking about that. Is it true that you feel it's unfair that Mr. Sanderson has brought this case against you? I do. And he has deterred you from

enjoying the rest of what was a very expensive vacation? Well, I lost half a day of skiing. Uh-huh. Right. Okay. And I think that's what your counsel has argued as well, that you lost, you had a full day pass, but you can only ski a half a day. Yes, I went back down after lunch.

Right, and that's when you had lunch and you got a massage? Yes. Okay. Single tear. Yes. Okay. Oh, a single tear. Lost a half day skiing and had to get a massage. I mean, she's trying to justify her $1 claim. I get it. But this is her problem.

That kind of sums up her problem with this jury. All right. Before we go, quickly, predictions on how it's going to come out. Mark? I just think it's got to be a pox on both their houses, which would be maybe award each side one buck. He wins, but not much money. John, what do you think? I think it's going to be a wash. Yeah, I think they're not going to they're going to not believe either one of them. And it's going to be a wash. Hmm. I think he wins, but they give him almost nothing. I don't

know. I'm not sure he's going to win. He's been such a hot mess, but she's also not likable. So she could definitely walk away with a victory. It's not one of those cases where I feel like, oh, 100% is going to go this way or the other, but I just feel like there's zero chance he's getting $300,000. Anyway, love it. We'll update you on it. And thanks for all the laughs guys. See ya. Thanks to you, the audience, guys. See ya. Thank you. Thanks to you, the audience as well. We're going to be back tomorrow. Oh, with some dying to do this case, family annihilators, Murdoch, the Chris Watts case, and this other case that I've been obsessed with. I'm going to walk you through all of it. That's tomorrow. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.