The Megyn Kelly Show - Prince Harry's Hypocrisy in New BBC Interview, and Meghan's Fawning Podcast Appearance, with Dan Wootton | Ep. 1066

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

Megyn Kelly is joined by Dan Wootton, host of "Dan Wootton Outspoken," to talk about Prince Harry's hypocritical new BBC interview, his shocking claims not backed up by the facts, the truth about the way King Charles and Prince William feel about him now, Meghan Markle's latest fawning podcast appearance, the sycophants she surrounds herself with, whether she's actually shopping a hypothetical post-divorce memoir, and more. More from Dan: www.danwoottonoutspoken.com Done with Debt: https://www.DoneWithDebt.com & tell them Megyn sent you!Riverbend Ranch: Visit https://riverbendranch.com/ | Use promo code MEGYN for $20 off your first order.Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. This is an extra for you. After a years-long battle, Prince Harry lost his fight for government-funded security when he is in the UK. Following the legal ruling, Prince Harry ran to the media, shock, and participated in a sit-down interview with the BBC claiming he does not see a world where he could bring Meghan and the kids back to the UK, alleging, We know where the responsibility lies if something were to happen to his father's

grandchildren, while admitting he doesn't know how long his father, the King of England, has left. He's been battling an undisclosed form of cancer. Harry and Meghan continually reach new lows. Here to walk us through the latest is Dan Wooden, host of Dan Wooden Outspoken. Forget government debt. Another real crisis is personal debt. After four years of inflation, you might be working harder than ever and still be buried in credit card debt and overdue bills. Consider done with debt. They're tough negotiators know how to reduce bills, eliminate interest and erase penalties to end your debt permanently without bankruptcy and without loans. But some of their solutions are time sensitive,

so you do need to move quickly. Go to donewithdebt.com for a free consultation. That's donewithdebt.com. Dan, great to see you again. Welcome back. And of course, it's on a note like this, sour, embittered, and woe is me. Put it in perspective for us. What's he doing here? Always, always. I mean, this is a shocking new low, Megan, because amidst all of that, he also went as far to suggest that the royal family actually wanted him dead. So let's just step back and think about that for one moment, because on the one hand, he's saying, I want reconciliation. I want to have a relationship with my brother again,

even though he never wants to speak to me again. I want to speak to my dad again. Yeah, he's probably dying, so I feel a little bit bad about that. Then in the same breath, he's saying, these guys want me to be unsafe. They want me to show that I have that little bit from the BBC interview. We have a bunch of stats, but let me show that, that last one that he believes they want him dead. I want history to be itself. I think there's a lot of other people out there

and the majority, they also don't want history to create itself Through this disclosure process. I've discovered that some people want history to repeat itself, which is pretty dark That's quite a statement who do you think that is I'm not I'm not going to share at this point You know, I know all the names of the people that were involved in this process And again, you know, you have to question why wasn't I put through the same risk management people that were involved in this process. And again, you have to question, why wasn't I put through the same risk management board that everybody else was put through? So the reason they won't pay for his ongoing security

when he visits the UK is because they want him dead, Dan. I know. This is now paranoia and delusion on an actual terrifying scale. Because, Megan, what he is suggesting is that the royal family is conspiring with the British government to make him unsafe, to see him die in an accident like his mother, Princess Diana, all because actually, this is where his argument gets really weird they secretly wanted to force him into returning to the uk trust me megan trust me you know i've covered this story up close for many years no member of the royal family not one not one member

of the british royal family wants him back in the United Kingdom. And as for reconciliation, my sources very close to Prince William say that his words were over my dead body. It's done. It's over. There were red lines, Harry crossed them. And the fact that he is now trying to suggest that the royal family actually want him to die like Diana, well, it's just another step too far. Like, why on earth would they reconcile at the same time as he's putting out actually arguably the most crazy and explosive accusation yet? Yes, yes. And why would he want to reconcile with people who literally want him dead?

I mean, it doesn't make any sense. And so it isn't true. That's basically the rule. He, um, unfortunately it looks like we're going to be stuck with him because he said the following in stop 42. I can't see a world in which I would be bringing my wife and children back to the UK at this point. Um, and the things that they, the things that they're going to miss is, well, everything. You know, I love my country. I always have done, despite what some people in that country have done. So, you know, I miss the UK.

I miss parts of the UK. Of course I do. And I think that it's really quite sad that I won't be able to show, you know, my children, my homeland. Stomach turning, Dan. And I love my country, you know, despite what some people there have done, he's got so much anger. What did we do? I mean, all I can think is that we reported the truth, right? We reported the truth about the behavior of his wife, his narcissistic wife, Meghan Markle.

Now, Meghan, remember at the time, the idea was that people like me were actually somehow racist because we reported the fact that she was a bully, for example, reported the fact that the late Queen Elizabeth II had called her out for her disgusting behavior, that Catherine had actually confronted her at Kensington Palace about the way that she spoke to staff. That was all racism.

There was something about us Brits. We just didn't understand the American way. Well, how on earth does Prince Harry now explain the fact that actually the bullying accusations are piling up from Americans, from the woke Californians working at Archwell, that they're reported in establishment pro-royal magazines like Vanity Fair or The Hollywood Reporter? None of this makes sense. And the problem harry is now so isolated he has ignored so many people for so long there's only one person who advises him his wife and she only cares about trying to

protect her own reputation so all of this is crazy but the idea that he thinks there is a way back by giving another interview is what's nuts. Because I will say, Meghan, King Charles doesn't feel the same as Prince William. There is a split between father and son on this. So William, when he is on the throne, and very sadly, that will probably be sooner rather than later, given Charles is suffering from cancer, which I believe to be incurable, although Buckingham Palace are saying that he's fighting on and things are pretty good. And obviously, we know with medical advances, you can stay alive with incurable cancer for some time. But the long-term or even the medium-term prognosis is not good.

And by the time William is on the throne, there is no way back. Meghan, he doesn't even want Harry at his own coronation. So it's finished. But Charles is a different type of guy. He feels a lot of guilt for Harry's upbringing. He knows that the War of the Whales, which was obviously Diana versus Charles and all of those TV interviews and Tampongate and then the death of Princess Diana, he knows that did screw Harry up in a lot of ways. So Charles still feels this inherent guilt as a dad and was open to some sort of rapprochement. But then Harry went and gave the interview to the BBC and it is back to square one. Right. So he's, the thing he's whining about now is that when he left the royal family and

his official role, they said, we're not going to be paying for your security when you come over here. You know, you've left the, you're not no longer a working Royal. So you're not going to get the police force around you when you pay visits here. And Harry's argument to the BBC and in court was, I can never leave the Royal family. I could leave as a working royal, but I am part of the royal family and therefore I'm in danger. And that they never did a review of my security status. They just yanked it to try to force me. And you were saying this couldn't possibly be, but try to force me to stay as a working royal because he said my threat level was the highest of anybody back in like 2020. And then they revoked all my protection without even doing an additional security assessment, proving in his mind they

knew I was at risk. And while I left as a working royal, I never can leave being a royal because, as he said to the BBC, you know, I am who I am. 100 percent. And he wants to be treated like a former prime minister who will receive lifetime security rights. So even Liz Truss, who was prime minister for six weeks, she receives security for the rest of her life. He believes that that's what he deserves. Now, Megan, in the negotiations after Meg said, at this thing called the Sandrinum Summit,

where all of the senior royals, the late Queen Elizabeth II, King Charles William, and their senior staff gathered, Harry was told point blank, you will lose your security if you leave in this way. Yes, that is why the royals tried to come to some type of arrangement with Harry. There were loads of ideas thrown around. At one point, it was like, could we maybe move you to South Africa, a Commonwealth country, for six months of the year? What about making you the governor general of Australia?

Is there some type of role for you in Canada? But as soon as Meghan Markle made it absolutely clear that it was all about the moolah, it was all about the big bucks, it was all about trading off the royal name. And you've got to remember, she was lining up these deals, Megan, when she was still the Duchess of Sussex. She was in talks with Disney. She was in talks with the publishing companies, in talks with Netflix. So at that point, the late Queen Elizabeth II, quite rightly, in my opinion, said, no, there is no half in, half out. So you can go, you go without blessing, but you lose everything and you do lose your security. And you can imagine the difficulty for the British government, because if they were to fund

Prince Harry's security, that would also mean that there would be pressure for them to provide security to other high net worth, famous individuals who come to the United Kingdom. Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and that doesn't happen in this country. Now, Harry has been very intellectually dishonest, though, to suggest that there is no security for him. Every time he has come, King Charles has offered him a lodging at, wait for it, Buckingham Palace. And guess what, Megan? Buckingham Palace is empty at the moment, right? Charles is at Clarence House. William is in Windsor. So he could have the run of Buckingham Palace. And if he was at Buckingham Palace, he would receive full security. Guess what? Harry said no. He went to say with a posh, rich friend and an

eight million pound flat, it has been revealed, Meghan, that he ordered Deliveroo. You know, Deliveroo, it's like a food ordering service here, like Uber Eats or whatever. Now, that goes against every form of security if you're a member of the royal family so he doesn't really care this is just something for harry to do he needs to have a battle he needs to have a mission it's actually deeply sad but i have zero sympathy for him because the fact that he is putting his father through this in the final years of his life has has a very, very sinister mirroring of exactly what he did with Prince Philip. Do you remember that?

The Oprah interview and all of that when Prince Philip was on his deathbed. And then the late Queen Elizabeth II, because all of the drama around Spare and the Netflix documentary and all of their other terrible slights happened when the late queen elizabeth ii was dying of blood cancer it's like you're never gonna learn and there's no turning

back and megan there are members of the royal family who believe that harry's behavior hastened the death of the late queen elizabeth ii that is not something that they will easily forgive and forget. I believe that too. That's what I say. I say those two killed the Queen. That's my opinion. They killed the Queen. Yeah, she would have lived longer

had they not ruined her last two years on earth with their selfishness. So much stress. He lost at the trial court level on this push to make the British royal family pay for his security when he goes to the UK and then he appealed it and he's just lost the appeal. And now he, he runs to the BBC, he's totally forlorn. He, you know, he's like, can't believe I lost this. And,

and now he's got this warning for his cancer stricken father in SOP 43. Once they realized that, you know, myself, my wife, and our kids are happier outside of the institution, then please just look at the facts. Look at the risks. Look at the threat. Look at the impact that if anything was to happen to me, my wife, or my father's grandchildren, if anything was to happen to them, look where the responsibility lies, you know? I mean, what a manipulation my father's grandchildren they're gonna die and it will be his fault that's what he was saying there

it's gaslighting on a grand scale but megan you know how when the palaces usually brief about these types of stories right they're quite buttoned up and uh you know they try and keep the language that the tone quite controlled that's all out the window after this interview they are raging they have had enough so the accusations now against harry are you're gaslighting i've literally used that term. And I've also described their behavior, and especially the behavior of Meghan Markle, by the way, who after that interview posted a picture of Harry on his own,

sort of looking forlorn with the two children, although of course you don't see the faces of the children and it looks like their bodies have been manipulated. So that's all really weird. In their garden in Montecito. Yeah, in the garden. manchester that's it that's walking away do you know what the palace briefed that is megan michael giving us a giant f you now that is not the sort of language usually used by the royal family but i thought it was usually bugger off yes that's true i definitely want them to bugger off it Yes, that's true. They definitely want them to bugger off.

It's just like, leave us alone. Go and do your own thing. Enjoy your millions. What is this all about? And you can understand from Charles's point of view, it's like, we've offered you Buckingham Palace. You'd get royal security if there was a risk or if you were here for any type of formal event.

But if you're at Buckingham Palace, you're protected anyway because of all of the natural security that is provided at Buckingham Palace. What's your problem? The problem is he wants to be able to swan into the country whenever he wants, not tell anyone and receive state-funded security. It just isn't going to happen. But the problem is he's surrounded by yes men. He's surrounded by people who have created this delusion in his head.

And actually, he is now a pathetic man, really, on so many levels. Because you also remember, Megan, and I was more personally involved in this one because I was actually going to give evidence against Harry. And he said it was the fight of his life. He was going to take Rupert Murdoch and the tabloid newspapers to court and he was going to be the first man to do it. He was never going to settle and this was the battle of his life

versus the sun and news of the world and he was going to be the guy to bring down Rupert Murdoch. Well, guess what? The day the trial was meant to start, he folded and he folded for a big sum. He settled. So then he says,

this security case is the fight of my life. This is the battle of my life, but he's lost. So what now? What now? The problem is there is nothing. He has no focus. He has no job. He's trapped in a very unhappy marriage with a narcissistic woman who is now wearing the trousers in the relationship because she's the moneymaker. Harry isn't making any money. She's the one that is now going to commercialize the children, pimp them out on social media, even though Prince Harry has said that social media is a killing ground for children. And so he's just got nothing. It's really sad that someone who on the surface has everything. You know, I mean, look at his life.

He's a bored housewife who's looking for drama because he's not busy enough. And he's not obviously spending enough time with his children or he might find that fulfilling. But yeah, he's looking to create drama. You can see it in like the fights that he's picking. He went on to say that he could forgive the race allegations that he made. He and his wife, Megan, made both to Oprah and in their Netflix documentary. I use that term very loosely, documentary. He can forgive what happened on the racial front, but this thing about taking his security away and like trying in his view to have him killed, that's a bridge too far. Here he is in stop 44. There are decisions that have been made. There are things that have happened

since 2016, especially throughout my whole life, but let's just stick since 2016. There are things that have happened that I can now forgive. I have moved past that. I can forgive my family's involvement and my father's, my brother and my stepmother. I can now forgive. I have moved past that. I can forgive my family's involvement, my father, my brother, and my stepmother. I can forgive the press to a large extent as well for so many things that have happened. What I'm struggling to forgive and what I will probably always struggle to forgive is that a decision that was made in 2020 that affects my every single day and that is knowingly putting me and my family in harm's way. Okay, Dan, how does it affect his every single day? We've seen his home. We've seen his garden. We've seen their extravagant lifestyle. They want us to

believe they're living their best lives out there. How does him not having exactly the security he wants in the UK when he goes to the UK affect his every single day to where this is unforgivable, but his family allegedly being a bunch of racists against his babies, that's fine. Totally. It's completely insane. And the fact that he is asking for forgiveness is the most hilarious thing, because actually the people who he needs to apologize to, Megan, are the British people who he claimed were all racist. Remember, post Brexit in the Netflix documentary and specifically King Charles and Catherine the Princess of Wales who he claimed were the royal racist you remember that

after the Oprah Winfrey interview this witch hunt began then they leaked the names to that very odd little guy Omer Scobie who sort of looks a bit like Michael Jackson. And he put out there that they were the royal racists. And then Prince Harry goes and does an interview with his best mate, Tom Bradby, on Wokai TV, as I call it. And Tom Bradby says, well, what about these racism allegations? And Harry says, well, what racism allegations? That was just made up by the media. So it's like the guy is living in actually quite a concerning dream world. There is no sense that he is anchored to any type of reality. And the fact that he's sort of saying, I can forgive you. I can forgive the British media for what?

You are the one that needs to apologize. And actually, that interview could have been very different. As I say, not with William. William's done. William and Catherine are done with Harry. There's no going back there. But the interview could have been very different if Harry had offered some type of apology in that interview to Charles and the stress that he put him through and said, look, I'm just going to take this out of the media and I want to reconcile privately. But you know, Meghan, the distrust now between the royal family and Prince Harry and Meghan is off the scale. There are serious suspicions that they were actually trying to record conversations even when they returned

to the United Kingdom for the late Queen's funeral. And I know for a fact that King Charles and Prince William spoke about this and decided that they would not ever be in any type of confined space on their own with Prince Harry without the other royal in attendance, because William and Charles were so nervous that Harry would create some type of lie that would become a case of their word versus his. And so what they thought is at least if we're both there, we're both there, we can back the other one up. But come on, that's a relationship that is just completely broken down. Completely broken. No, you do have to worry that he's just taping them or if he's not taping them, just going to use it as fodder for his next book, Spare 2, or his next Netflix special or his next Spotify deal once the current spigot runs out. So, yeah, understandably, they don't have any desire to talk to him one on one.

He's made it so that it's not possible, which is why this next sound bite is just so cynical. He knows exactly the position he's put them in. Here it is, SOT45. There have been so many disagreements, differences between me and some of my family. This current situation that has been ongoing for five years with regard to human life and safety is the sticking point. It is the only thing that's left. Of course, some members of my family will never forgive me for writing a book. Of course, they will never forgive me for writing a book. Of course, they will never forgive me for

lots of things. But, you know, there is... I would love reconciliation with my family. I've always... there's no point in continuing to fight anymore. As I said, life is precious. I don't know how much longer my father has. He won't speak to me because of this security stuff. But it would be nice to reconcile. Oh, how about that, Dan? It's delusional. It It's delusional. It's totally delusional. Because what you have to think, Megan,

is that there were loads of points along the way where there could have been a full reconciliation, but there was particular red lines that Harry was warned about very directly. So from King Charles's perspective, it was don't come for Camilla. Just leave Camilla alone. And from William's perspective, it was don't come for my wife. Do not come for Catherine. You'll be making a big mistake. And what did he do? He went for Camilla and Catherine in spare. And actually, he even released private WhatsApp messages

between Meghan Markle and Catherine in the book to try and prove that Catherine is some type of bully, which is a ludicrous claim. I mean, if you know anything about Catherine, it's like she's a very sweet, softly, sobering person. She doesn't like getting into rows with anyone.

And Meghan, just look at the track record, right? We've seen Catherine in public life now for two decades. Have you ever heard about her fall out with anyone? Like anyone? She's the picture of class. Yeah, Megan, there's like this long list of people who she falls out with, from her own family to her personal assistants. So Harry had all of these warnings.

There were ways for him to still come back. But unfortunately, he's right when he says that William, well, he's talking about William, that William will never forgive him for writing the book. And that's not a surprise because remember, it wasn't just Catherine that he came for. He also made William out to be some type of violent bully. So it is unfit for people. And unfortunately, Harry now has to deal with the consequences of his action. You made a lot of money. That money was meant to give you the freedom. So go and live your life. Go and live your life in your 16 bathroom Montecito mansion. But you just know that actually he's yearning to find a reason

to be back in the United Kingdom, Meghan. And one of the issues is that he is now so ostracized from every single friendship group that had nothing to do with Meghan Markle. And she is a manipulative person. So while I don't, you know, I'm not one of these people who says oh woe is me poor harry because actually he allowed himself to be manipulated but what she has done is taken away any of the people who he could have trusted to confide in at a time like this really true school friends his army mates it's the old courtiers it's like um what they say know, like coercive control. When, if this were a man doing it to a woman, we'd see it very clearly where, uh, if you have an abusive husband, suddenly the wife is detached from all of her family and is sending emails

saying, I don't want to see you anymore. Don't bother me. And then also detached from all of her friends. And he isolates her to the point where he can control her. I mean, really just look at the reverse. Like that's what she effectively got him to do to alienate his entire family, all of his friends. Yeah. And then just to add one other point to it, you watch her and you watch him. I mean, I didn't really know this

until this whole past few years. He's not smart. This is not a smart young man. And she is smart. She is very smart and she's cunning. And the more I've seen of her, the more I've seen of him, I feel like it was shooting fish in a barrel for her. Oh my God. He stood no chance when this woman put her designs on him. She had him from the word hello. Well, Megan, you obviously revealed that to the world, didn't you? With the fact that she had the mood board, the mood board with Prince Harry on. And we know that she was so desperate to snare Harry.

And yes, remember it was Princess Diana who described Harry as not being a particularly smart guy. And so this is the problem. He likes to think he is, but actually he doesn't really have the intellectual capability to deal with all of this. And he was very well protected in the royal family for a long time. He had a load of good people around him who made sure that he got through these scrapes. And all of a sudden, he doesn't. He's totally ostracized, totally isolated, totally on his own. His only friends now, Meghan, are the joint friends, the showbiz friends who Meghan Markle controls. So I'm not disagreeing with the fact, I absolutely believe there is a degree of

coercive control. There is a degree of emotional abuse. And what is particularly shocking at the moment, and if you just juxtapose how she looks in these interviews, like the cat who's got the cream. You know, my confession, my confession is that I'm the happiest I've ever been. I'm the happiest I've ever been. Life is so good. Cut to Harry on the BBC, totally devastated. And there was actually an amazing moment, you know, when he turned up at the Time 100. It wasn't the party that you were at, Megan.

The summit. The summit during the day. And he was her bag carrier, right? He was her bag carrier. She had forced him to attend with her as her bag carrier. Yet she didn't go with him to the Legends of Aviation event that he was at the next night because it's one-way traffic in their relationship but there's a key moment when he leaves the car and she walks in front of him almost pushes him out the way goes to shake the hand of the person who was coming to greet them now if you were following royal protocol which is obviously the protocol that harry followed for his

entire life as the blood royal he would be the person who got to shake the hand first. Now, I understand as Americans, you can say that's all stupid and everything. And in lots of ways it is, but that was the life that Harry was brought up in. And you just see his face, the color drained from his face. And it's like this moment of realization. I'm now the spare to Meghan Markle. Oh my God, you're right. I was worried about being the spare to Prince Harry, to Prince William, but now I'm the spare to my own wife. I had never considered that, but you are a hundred percent right. That's exactly what he's done. It's like he needed to repeat the same pathology somehow.

And she is, meanwhile, trying to have her cake and eat it too because she's putting out this perfectly curated life on her stupid Netflix special, you know, with her, oh, you know, I just had like just the perfect bath salts and just the perfect tea and just the perfect pretzel and, you know, the fruit spread that takes eight hours to prepare. That's just what I do before school. It's the kind of mom I am. Then she meanders over to this podcast of this woman who created It Cosmetics, Jamie Kern Lima.

And I knew there was something weird about this woman. I interviewed her, Dan, when I was at NBC about creating IT cosmetics. And she did have the high, I can't even do it. My voice is too low, but she had the high squeaky voice a little, but she's really leaning in now in her little podcast with Megan. She's gone next octave up and the two of them have the weirdest dynamic. And so in this podcast, Megan does her perfectly curated life thing, but she's allegedly wearing no makeup. Meanwhile, she's got like the perfect blowout, you know, like she's completely camera ready, except she didn't put eye makeup on.

And she also is pretending that she she's crying. And we did a zero in, like we zoomed in just to see, there isn't a tear in sight, Dan. Look, look at this. I invite the viewers to take a close-up look at this. Where's the tear? There's nothing there. Look, it's an actor's trick. She just keeps wiping and wiping and wiping. So we think she has a heart. Oh my God, Megan. She has this really famous thing where she says one tap left eye and she can make herself cry on demand. And it's a really good thing to have as an actress, but you're completely right. There were no tears there. And this podcast with Jamie Kern Lima was absolutely car crash. I mean, Jamie Kern Lima is actually a very successful woman, self-made billionaire.

However, she is a fame whore because, you know, she first found fame by appearing on the first series of Big Brother in the United States. But she's had that totally scrubbed from the internet because now she believes that she's the new oprah winfrey and the problem is you realize these are the types of people megan markle is surrounding herself with and none of them are prepared to ever give her a dose of reality like i thought my sins listen to the new episode today of confessions of a female founder you know she

calls everyone female founders and i know you find that very ridiculous that's why and it's with this british woman called hannah mendoza who actually created a brand called clever blends and megan invested in her company but the podcast is meant to be hannah mendoza's story right but megan spends the entire time talking about what it was like for her to invest in this with hannah Mendoza's story, right? But Megan spends the entire time talking about what it was like for her to invest in this with Hannah Mendoza. That's all she does. She only has on people who she gave money to so they can say how amazing she is. It's like she's her boss. So, so, so like Megan is Hannah Mendoza's boss effectively. So clearly she's keeping to the script, but there's this really awful moment where Megan turns into

the mean girl that we know she all is and she mocks Hannah Mendoza who's a bit of an earth mother type for turning up to this interview this first interview when she gave her money in Birkenstocks and a satin jumpsuit and it's like Megangan's laughing at her about it it's very very bizarre and unfortunately megan is now well maybe it's fortunate for us because megan is now the executive producer of all of all of all of these works so we see the real her it's like and oh my god you made me laugh so much with with maureen and in your version of this thing which is absolutely fantastic you know the moment with Mindy Carling when Mindy Carling is clearly terrified

of Meghan Markle. It's clearly. It's simmering. And so this is the thing. Meghan Markle is only now surrounded by people who will tell her what she wants to hear. And so again,

the level of delusion is off the scale. But just remember, Jamie Kern-Lima sits down with Meghan Markle for 90 minutes, 90 minutes, talks about what a wonderful businesswoman she is, what a wonderful friend she is. Not one question, Meghan, about what about these bullying allegations, right? Surely there now must be something in it. The fact that your staff in Hollywood are also questioning this. At the very least, I mean, I know she's her friend and I know it's a different type of format, but at the very least, she could have said, look, were they just lies? Were they people who were coming for you unfairly? But remember, we now live in this sort of dual world, don't we, where there is

the truth and there is what celebrities can put out to be the truth via their chosen platforms. And obviously there are great things about that in the independent space because we can also immediately analyze and that's what we do and point out this is not true, this is not true, this is not true. But I do just want to to remind people megan for all of the times that megan markle says that she's happy in her relationship with prince harry and there's this moment where jamie kern lima says will you stay with prince harry forever will you be married to him forever and her voice goes up two octaves and she says yes because she's lying because megan and this is something I've reported for years. I think we spoke about it.

But she is shopping the post-divorce book to publishers already. And if people thought that was some type of conspiracy theory, although I always believe conspiracy theories come true these days, Vanity Fair confirmed that in their big post-pub. Wait, that she's shopping her post-divorce memoir? What? Yes, 100%. 100%.

And in the Jamie Kern-Lima interview, she asks, will you write another book? She doesn't say, will you write a memoir? She says, will you write another book? And Megan says, a lot of people ask if I want to write my memoir, but I haven't lived enough life yet. And what is going on there is that Megan doesn't want to have to write my memoir, but I haven't lived enough life yet. And what is going on there is that Meghan doesn't want to have to write a book now, which would obviously include loads and loads of positive stuff about Prince Harry, because she is preparing for the big payday,

which she knows will be a massive payout to keep her going for years and years. I mean, Harry, remember, got well over $20 million for his three-book deal. And that is what she is proposing to do. And as I say, this is something I had reported for years and years and years, but Vanity Fair included it in their recent profile of Meghan Markle. Katie Nichol, who is the royal correspondent for Vanity Fair, is very clear that they weren't coming into the profile. The editor of Vanity Fair didn't have some type of agenda. Remember, they'd previously put Meghan Markle on that famous cover wild about Harry. There was no agenda going into this profile. What they discovered was pretty horrifying. So Harry has been warned. It's like, mate, get out.

Seriously, Vanity Fair is reporting that your wife is shopping to publishers a post-divorce book where she's going to throw you under the bus. Get out. Why would she be doing that? Because that would really show, you know, the crack in the facade.

I like I have trouble believing that because she right now wants to maintain the facade and wants us all to believe that it's perfect in Montecito. You know, well, Montecito time where we have champagne with fruit dollops inside of it at all hours of the day. But anyway, why? So why would she risk that news coming out by actively shopping? You know, it doesn't make sense to me. Well, she's a deeply manipulative woman, number one. And what she always has is a number of business contacts who are working on her behalf and just sizing up the potential future scene. And certainly there have been real bumps in the road when it comes to the marriage over the past couple of years.

And remember, there was also a time when it didn't necessarily look as if Netflix was going to stand by her. They already lost the Spotify deal where she was described as effing grifters. And yet, totally, I mean, this is the problem, Megan. Sometimes these things that I end up reporting about Meghan Markle, they do sound too crazy to be true.

And so there was that moment when it appeared within the Vanity Fair profile. I was absolutely delighted because I was like, okay, this is good. It's not that I'm not the only one in the mainstream media necessarily, but I'm like, no, this is good because they did not come into this with an agenda. I think it's absolutely fair to say now that I do have an agenda where I'm not pro Harry and Meghan. You know, they totally tried to ruin my life and destroy me because I revealed the truth about their exit from the royal family. And that's something we've gone into previously. We don't have to do it again today.

But I think it's absolutely fair to say, you know, I'm not a fan of these two, right? But Vanity Fair, they went in with a completely clean slate just to find out what the state of their relationship was like. Now, in fairness, Vanity Fair also reported that for the moment, the marriage is on track and they're still very physically attracted

to each other. I think that is something that doesn't quite tell the full story, which is that Harry knows that this marriage is all he has. And he also knows that if the marriage were to end while the children were still young, because of the way the law works in California, is he would not be able to take those children back to California. So of course he is going to try and make the marriage work. But the idea that this is some sort of happy union is for the birds. He's a very troubled guy. He's a very troubled soul. People are very worried about him. But the problem is the idea that his brother is going to run in and save

him this time is just unfortunately not going to happen. Not true. Okay. Two things here. Indeed, is the piece from the Vanity Fair cover story from February, 2025 inside Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's big business ambitions five years after their Royal exit quote, a few years ago, a rumor began circulating around the book world about another prospective project for Megan. This story, which a person with knowledge confirms the broad details of was that Megan's team had a conversation with a publishing house to gauge interest in the idea for a potential book. The concept for which there was no written or formal proposal was post divorce, not a general book on life after marital dissolution or one about Megan's past experience. This book, this notion of a book really,

might center on a post-Harry divorce. Not that there was actually one in the works, just if this a priori divorce ever came to be, would this publisher theoretically be interested in a book that took place in its aftermath? Unbelievable. I totally missed this. Another source with knowledge says if that's true to any degree, she would have been approached and not vice versa. No offer was ever made and no manuscript was produced. After all, there was no divorce, but that doesn't mean they didn't shop the interest on what, you know, there would be in a book. It's absolutely true. And actually, Vanity Fair sums up pretty well how it works.

You know, it's like, would you be interested in this? Maybe. But, you know, Meghan screwed it all up now anyway because she had Ari Emanuel at WME trying to save her career. And he got so frustrated because she was not listening to his advice. So this is the problem. It's a long, long line of disappointed Meghan Markle helpers, fans, friends, staff, et cetera. Here, so contrast all of that

with the way she talks about H and their relationship. Here is it. Is it 46 or 47, Lauren? You choose. Go for it. 47. Are you in love now more than ever, more than you've ever been? Yeah. I mean, you have to imagine at the beginning, everyone is like butterflies. And then we immediately went into the trenches together. Yeah. Right out of the gate, like six months into dating. So now seven years later, when you have a little bit of breathing space, you can just enjoy each other in a new way. And that's why I feel like it's more of a honeymoon

period for us now. Yeah. Do you think you'll be married forever? Yes. I have a letter. He's also a fox, if you haven't noticed. My husband's very, very handsome. But his heart is even more beautiful. I love that your eyes are sparkling right now. Oh. Oh, my God.

Dan, I threw up in my mouth. Yes. Yes. Dan, when you do interviews on your show, do you do the Jamie Kern Lima reactions? Hmm. Ah. Yes.

Oh, my God. There's something wrong with her. What? Who communicates like that? She's the only thing saving Meghan Markle because between the two, she's even weirder. But Meghan Markle, this is a tell. Okay, this is a tell. It's the same way

on Valentine's Day. You see people post like, my rock, my life, my life partner, the person who saved me. Guarantee that guy is cheating on her and she knows it. Nobody does those over the top, like crazy, right? It's like maybe here or there, but like, this is how she always tries to sound in talking. Like, and he's a fox. Like there's something wrong. That seems obvious. Oh, totally. I mean, there was nothing at all genuine about her response to Prince Harry then she's someone who very much reacts to what's in the media. I mean, that was another big lie from the interview. She claimed she didn't look at the media or social media, but everything she does, everything she posts is in direct reaction.

So for example, even the new birthday post with Archie in his pajamas, which is all a bit odd, makes the point that we held the birthday party a week ago. And that's because people like me are saying, what the hell? Prince Harry is going to Vegas on the day of his son's birthday? What's that about? But I did just want to pick up on one thing

that she said in that interview, in that clip that we just saw, because I think it is the thing that has really shocked royal sources. Did you hear her say that when she was first with Harry, and she's talking about her time in the royal family, we were in the trenches. Now remember, we just celebrated the 80th anniversary of VE Day in the United Kingdom. Now in the trenches, that's obviously not referring

to World War II, it's referring to World War I. And when you think about what those soldiers went through, my great-grandfather was in the trenches in World War I. He did survive, but his life was ruined, Megan, because they were gassed. They lived in the most unimaginable conditions. And the fact that this woman is so narcissistic that she can genuinely compare living in kensington palace right then moving to windsor castle after a multi-million dollar renovation to being in the trenches i'm sorry you're a sick

human being like there's there's there's no way you can be helped because it's the opposite of what someone who cares about public service or what someone who wants to be royal should do. And I just compare and contrast with the members of the royal family who we've seen over the past couple of days, be with these veterans of World War II because knowing full well, they're not going to be there, Megan, for the next big celebration of V-Day in 10 years, because all of these veterans are now in their late 90s or early 100s. And we saw Prince George and King Charles. I saw that. Prince William brought Prince George and Prince George was asking situationally appropriate questions of the veterans. Like they were thoughtful and sensitive.

They were wise not to bring Prince Louis, but the next in line after Prince William was so appropriate and thoughtful and caring. They look great as they always do. They seem like genuinely good people. And she looks like the narcissist that she obviously is. Yeah. And it's, don't you think it's odd? I megan i know you are very careful with with your children but don't you think it's odd that that megan markle talks this big game and prince harry talks this big game about the evils of social media and then they've decided to post prince archie in his pajamas i mean to me that's really weird it's it's a really odd decision she's she really needs to make a decision it's like she wants,

she loves being the mother of a prince and a princess. Like she loves that so much. And she knows that people in the UK, especially, would love to see them. You know, they have a connection to the royal family. They don't like her, but I don't think anybody would hold it against her children. They'd like to see the lineage.

And they're technically, I guess, in the line of succession, if many, many bad things would happen. Um, but so she just teases them, you know, it's like, here's just the back of his head, even though she's making public figures out of them because she talks about them all the time. And Harry uses them, my, my father's grandchildren as a cudgel. So they're happy to use these children at every turn, whether it's to make money or to make threats, but just to tease, you know, because what, I guess we can't see their face unless it's on Netflix, in which case it's fine because they do put out pictures of them every once in a while. I mean, it's really bizarre. They've shown their faces before.

So, so yeah, exactly. Really bizarre. And this is actually going to end up becoming a political issue in the United Kingdom, Megan, because there is now overwhelming public support for Prince Harry and Meghan Mark remain in the line of succession? They are there. Now, remember, the late Queen Elizabeth II, she used to hate Prince William riding around with his family in helicopters because he'd do it. He'd go to one of the castles because, you know, he was a pilot and he loved it. So he'd go to one of the castles and he would pick up all three children and Catherine in a helicopter, or they would fly together on the same plane. The late Queen Elizabeth II was infuriated by it for good reason, Megan, because actually we are only one tragic accident away from the end of the monarchy, because the British public simply would not accept King Harry and Queen Megan.

But that is where we're at. That is, you know, when Prince William takes his, and look, I'm a big fan of Prince William, right? I, on the whole, think he's doing a really good job. He is highly irresponsible,

allowing his entire family to continue traveling on the same plane. Because King Harry, because remember, once William is on the throne and before george has children you know it is it's it's william george charlotte louis then prince harry so the whole idea and why the late queen elizabeth ii would never be on a plane with Charles is to protect the line of succession.

Now, there are loads of other reasons why Archie and Lilibet should not be in the line of succession. Obviously, we love our American cousins, but you've got to admit it's pretty weird there being a potential future Queen of England who has this hugely American accent, if you're to believe Megan's very odd Instagram videos, which I'm not sure I do. But if you do believe that is Lilibet's real voice, she has a broad American accent. She has a father who says that she's never going to be able to come to the country at all. And she hasn't met her grandfather, the king. Why on earth should that person be in the line of

succession? So this is potentially going to become a political hot potato. Politicians in the United Kingdom have avoided talking about this for some time. But for example, Nigel Farage, just yesterday at the VE Day celebrations, and you'll know, Megan, he is now the bookie's favourite to be the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. And he was highly critical of Prince Harry and that interview. So I think increasingly there is going to be more pressure put on the King to do something about this. The problem is there has to be an act of Parliament to actually remove the titles from Harry

and remove Harry and the children from the line of succession. It would have to go to parliament. Well, what about the use of HRH? Because we saw in her interview with this Jamie Kern Lima that they were celebrating what a thoughtful person Meghan was, that she had sent this Jamie a gift basket. And we saw in the picture of it, her stationery, it says, Her Royal Highness, the Duchess of Sussex. And it's got a little crown insignia on it. She loves being a royal.

She just doesn't want to do any of the work. I mean, this is disgusting, right? This is truly disgusting because the Sandringham Summit was an agreement with Queen Elizabeth II. of the work. I mean, this is disgusting, right? This is truly disgusting because the Sandringham summit was an agreement with Queen Elizabeth II. So you would think if nothing else, given all of their public posturing over how brilliant the late queen was, you would think Harry and Meghan would respect that agreement, right? And that agreement was very clear. What the late queen wanted to avoid was that situation. Do you remember before Diana

died after her divorce, she was stripped of her HRH title and she lost her security. And after Diana's death, there was a massive backlash. It was the closest that the late queen had come to ever losing the support of the public because it all just felt a bit cruel, right? Why did Diana have to lose her HRH title when she was still the mother of a future king? And so in this case, the late queen thought, well, maybe we can do this differently. We won't strip Harry and Meghan of HRH, but we will have a hard and fast agreement where they will just never use the titles. They will never use them. And it wasn't just that they would not use them for commercial purposes. The agreement,

and I've gone back, it's still on the Buckingham Palace website, was that they would never use the titles at all. Yeah, because that's what they're claiming. Oh, no, the agreement was that we wouldn't use them professionally, but this was a personal gift. That's a lot. The agreement is they would never use the titles at all. Also, though, Megan, don't you have to be a really messed up individual to send your mate... By the way, she literally just sent a few punnets of ice cream, right? I mean, nice thought.

I'd appreciate you sending me some punnets of ice cream. Very nice. But how weird to send a few punnets of ice cream and sign it off HRH i mean oh my god she's messed up human being you've got to i'm gonna send you ice cream and i'm gonna sign it the time 100s megan kelly dr megan kelly thanks to my dearest doctor that's just that's just how i sign my things i just want to make sure my titles are all, you know, properly accounted. It's self-aggrandizing. But at the same time, if, if anything they've said about the Royal family is true, anything, you wouldn't want

those titles. You wouldn't want the link. The people who didn't care that I was suicidal, wanted to kill myself and basically wanted me to do it. The people who tried to have my husband killed, who my husband is now saying would like history to repeat itself so that we could die. The people who were too racist to love my baby and really concerned about how dark his skin was going to be. And I used a huge platform with Oprah Winfrey to tell the world about how the people who live in the country that I think is racist because of Brexit. Those are the people to whom I am HRH, Duchess of Sussex. You'd want nothing to do with these titles. Totally. And this is the problem. And I think William has always been

very conscious of this because you know, William's a little bit woke, right? He's a little bit woke. He's into some of those woke thing. And he knows that you could only ever go so far down that path because if you really start turning into an activist when you're a member of the royal family what you are basically suggesting is that the whole organization has to go and that also means you lose your whole fortune and harry for example has opened up the conversation of slavery reparations okay then har, you give your fortune away because you are currently living off Princess Diana's money and the Queen Mother's money fundamentally, right? And lots of money that your dad's given you over the years. So just be very careful what you wish for. But the fact that

Meghan continues to use the crown and continues to use the HRH title is truly nuts. I mean, it does not add up apart from to say, this is a deeply troubled, narcissistic person who is manipulative and isn't particularly well. And she has no sense of what she could do to actually win the public over again. And I think we saw that throughout the show as well, because it's like, this is a great opportunity. Ted Sarandos, the co-chief executive of Netflix has decided to stand by Meghan. Now, that is a really odd decision. I have my own suspicions about this, Meghan, because Meghan

Markle has befriended Ted Sarandos' wife. They are in a mixed race relationship. So there is some type of suggestion that Megan was a little bit manipulative in terms of how she wormed her way into the personal life of Ted Sarandos because there's lots of other people at Netflix who look at Ted Sarandos and are like, what are you doing? Like these shows aren't even a success.

How to put pretzels in a bag. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and, and you're, you're selling jam, which is not going to make you a lot of money, right? Even if you sell multiple, multiple, multiple jars of jam, that's not a big moneymaker for Netflix. So there's a suggestion that it's this personal relationship that Megan has managed to sort out with Ted Sarandos via his wife. They went to the Beyonce concert together at all. It's sort of how Megan plays things, that that's the reason Netflix is standing by her. But without Netflix now, there really is nothing. And that is obviously a huge issue. Authenticity is everything, as you well know, in this new world of independent media. And her podcast, Megan, has dropped out of the top 100 within weeks, despite being the most publicized podcast in the world.

It's completely irrelevant. And listen, she's irrelevant too. The only reason we talk about her is because they continue to create this drama around the royal family about which we do care. Some of us in America really love following the royals and think they're fun and exciting. And it's not that we want to be ruled by them, but I love following the royal family. They're just fun and the history is interesting and they're beautiful. And it's just sort of like an escape of sorts um so we're still so proud of our royal family and that's a big thing you know given the divisive nature of politics today and i think we can all degree agree sorry that politics has never been more divided don't you think it's pretty incredible that in the united kingdom

such an overwhelming majority of the country still supports the idea of this monarchy it means a lot to us and tradition and history there are all sorts of reasons because it's not political do you know what i mean that's why at some point it's not political and it's like you came in you stole the prince who actually was in our hearts because we saw him walk past, walk behind Diana's coffin as a young boy. And actually his popularity rating at one point was higher than the queen. Like we loved this boy. You came in, you turned them into a woke Muppet and then you tried to trash our Royal family. So there is, you know, she is going to go down in history,

but for all the wrong reasons, exactly the same reason that Wallace Simpson went down in history for destroying another senior member of the royal family. I know these American women, they don't have a great track record when they start to date the English princes and kings. I'm sorry. But you know what? We are paying more than our fair share of the penance having these two stuck over here. And I have to say, I think this is probably another thing that Harry doesn't like about living in California is sure. You know, I'm sure when people first meet him, they're like, oh, Harry, cool. But Americans are used to big celebrities, especially in California. And they're not going to treat him the way the average Brit would if one of the princes of England came in,

you know, it's just different here. We don't really love royalty. And I'm sure he misses the cachet that comes with being Prince Harry and part of the royal family as you walk around Great Britain. It's not the same in Montecito. And by the way, there are people who are far richer and more famous than those two all over, especially that state. And I'm sure he doesn't love that. Well, no, and look at Taylor Swift, who you would argue is probably the biggest celebrity

in the world today, despite her botched endorsement of Kamala Harris. She had a very clear choice and she chose William because Taylor Swift doesn't need to be friends with just another. Oh yeah. Can you explain that again? I vaguely recall this, but I don't remember the specifics. So there was a moment when Taylor Swift had to make a very clear choice between Harry and Megan and William and Catherine. So Meghan approached her. Do you remember when she was launching the Archetypes podcast? That was her first podcast. And this is when not everyone had really turned. And Meghan actually wrote her a handwritten note in her calligraphy,

really begging and pleading to be on the podcast, right? And this was at a time when she was getting some decent names on the podcast, but Taylor swift made a very clear decision that she'd built up this relationship with prince william and she stayed loyal to william and quite recently in the midst of william's cancer battle sorry with catherine's cancer battle william took george and charlotte to taylor Swift's concert. They posed with selfies backstage. Taylor wants nothing to do with Meghan Markle. And it's because people have had to make a choice. And even, this is the most interesting one to me, not a celebrity, but an awful woke politician. I actually think this woman is evil, by the way, don't get me started on her. Jacinda Ardern, the former prime minister of New Zealand, the country of my birth, who

locked me out of the country of my birth for three years over COVID. But Jacinda Ardern, who Harry and Meghan had desperately tried to covet and formed a close relationship with, she also chose William over Meghan and Harry. Because as you say, people are always going to, you know, people who are either celebrities or senior politicians are always going to go for real royalty rather than fake royalty that comes with all of these other risks, which are like Beyonce, for example, who at one point was very supportive of Megan, furious that Megan, I don't know if you remember, in the Netflix series, read out the text message. The really cringeworthy text message. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so Beyonce has turned down all of the offers to appear with Megan or be on any of her shows. So I think they are really, really struggling. I mean, some rapper called Megan Thee the stallion who i have to say i have apparently she's a big big deal uh even she turned up but she turned down being being on megan's podcast because i think celebrities now actually know that there's no cachet to being linked with megan markle in fact it's probably only going to drag you down. And whereas being connected to William, you know, the future King and pictured with Catherine and having them at your concert or going to an event with them, that actually means something. So all

of the A-listers, and there's a lot of them. I mean, Lady Gaga is another one. They have all chosen to keep their loyalty actually with the real royalty. And I think even Oprah Winfrey is regressing her decision now to align closely with Meghan. I hope they don't forgive her. I really hope William and Catherine remember what she did.

Again, when their grandfather was dying, she was terrible. And that was more terrible acting, almost as bad as Megan's fake tears where the Oprah Winfrey, what? What? What?

And it was all black. It was awful. Anyway, it's so fun to cover them because they're just ridiculous people and they're so easy to see through. So we have to do it. When they give us this fodder, we have to go with it.

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