The Megyn Kelly Show - Reckoning with Horror of Charlotte Stabbing, and Kamala's Complaints, with Megan Basham, Heather Mac Donald, Allie Beth Stuckey, and Mike Solana | Ep 1145

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

Megyn Kelly opens her show by playing and reacting to the full Charlotte stabbing video that was put out, explains why we must all watch the horror, breaks down why this is a “tipping point,” and more. Then The Daily Wire reporter Megan Basham, "When Race Trumps Merit" author Heather Mac Donald, and "Toxic Empathy" author Allie Beth Stuckey join to discuss why the Charlotte stabbing of Iryna Zarutska should serve as a “tipping point,” the realities of interracial crime, terrible reactions from the media and city leaders, why elites avoid discussing the Charlotte stabbing racial elements, systemic and legal issues that allow repeat offenders to remain on the streets, why mentally ill criminals should not be allowed to roam the streets, and more. Then Mike Solana, editor-in-chief of Pirate Wires, joins to talk about the first excerpt from Kamala Harris’ new book, her non-stop complaints about everything, her criticisms of Joe Biden and his administration, Kamala's claim she actually helped fix the immigration crisis, her refusal to actually answer the question of who was running the country for four years, the reaction to the book so far from the left, Morning Joe's history of Biden lies, and more. Birch Gold: Text MK to 989898 and get your free info kit on goldFirecracker Farm: Visit https://firecracker.FARM & enter code MK at checkout for a special discount!Byrna: Go to https://Byrna.com or your local Sportsman's Warehouse today.PrizePicks: Download the PrizePicks app today and use code MEGYN to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/MEGYN  Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show. It is a video that normally you wouldn't see on camera on a show like this or any other because it is disturbing and it is of an innocent woman being murdered. Our typical approach in media is you don't show the actual moment of. someone's death, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, an unwritten guideline that we all follow. But we're not going to follow it today. And for really good reason, I'm sick of this shit. Everyone has to look at this. You have to, I'm sorry, you have to look at it. You have to. I have to. We all have, no one wants to see this, but we must see this because it's intentionally been kept hidden from us. Not just in this case, but what's happening in this country has been hidden from us from people in authority positions when it comes to law enforcement, most specifically DAs, weak judges and those around them, politicians, and media that would love to show us George Floyd under the knee of Derek Chauvin all day long on loop, but wanted to totally ignore the story of 23-year-old Erena Zarutzka.

here from Ukraine for a better life. They don't want to show you how inhumane her murder was because she's white and her killer was black. That's it. He has to be protected, you see, because he's a black man. This is ridiculous. No sane black American would think it's racist to show this video

simply because the perpetrator was black. Only racist lunatics on the left in our media walk away with that conclusion. That's a leftist narrative. That's untrue. And they're all bowing to it right now and trying to avoid discussing this case altogether. They're desperate to avoid discussing it.

The full video of one angle of the attack was released by Headline USA. That's a news outlet out of Charlotte, North Carolina. The outlet said it filed a freedom of information request and received the full raw video. That outlet did blur the actual stabbing out of respect for the family. I get that. That's, there's nothing wrong with that. It's an individual decision.

The raw video was released to local news outlets on Friday, but none of those stations made it available to the public. I don't know about you. And I saw this on X yesterday. I was, it's, I'm still so jarred by it. I'm so jarred by it and I want to tell you something. I said this on morning update, AM update this morning. It's not exactly because of the gore or the inhumanity of the stabbing.

Those are there and present and effective, affecting on the viewer. But it's because of her. That's what's so awful. It's because this young girl came here for a better life. she was 23. She had everything in front of her. She didn't mooch off the system. She didn't sit like a barnacle collecting other people's tax money. She got a job at a pizzeria. She volunteered to help animals. And she was coming home from her pizzeria shift. She didn't have a glamorous life. She was in her little uniform, no makeup, just trying to get from A to B. And after she was attacked and killed. She had maybe 60 seconds of life left in her. And you see it. You see her struggling to understand what just happened to her and obviously scared, terrorized. And in a way, the most disturbing part is her confusion. She's confused. It's clear she doesn't know what just

happened to her. But you do. We do. I don't know. I don't remember feeling this way watching another video, which is why we have to watch it. We have to show it and we have to discuss it. I'm telling you this is a tipping point. This is a tipping point. This is the official end to the BLM madness that infected our criminal justice system, that took hold of it and still has hold of it in terms of the way we approach, yes, policing, but more importantly, arguably, who we put on the bench, the policies that we ask them to pursue the infection of DEI at every level of the criminal justice system, these weak-kneed judges, politicians, magistrate judges like the one here, who know they have a mentally deranged, dangerous lunatic standing before them, and don't even have the balls to withhold them, to make them remain custodial in jail pending the trial on the charges before them, never mind to work to institutionalize them, to do some hard-handed referral to an institution

where they could actually be committed, which is next to impossible in the United States of America anyway. We're going to air the video now. As we know from the videos released on Friday, there was zero interaction between 34-year-old suspect. We have to call him a suspect because legally that's what he is right now, De Carlos Brown Jr. and Irena Zerutska before he began stabbing her. As you can see here, Brown stands up. He immediately begins plunging the knife into her neck.

It's quick. It's over already. It was three seconds long into her neck and upper body. He struck her three times at least once in the neck. She looks up at him in utter shock, fear, terror. After the attack, she sits cowering with her knees pulled in in a defensive position. Here she falls over. Oh, it's so awful. But there is a moment where she covers her mouth. She covers her eyes. She looks at the other passenger. She looks down at her own body,

seeming to check whether and where she was injured. She doesn't realize yet that the injuries are so catastrophic. She is about to die from them. Brown walks over to the door but then for a split second walks back over near her she sits there for several seconds with her hand over her mouth you don't hear her scream

maybe because she couldn't she begins to lose consciousness she slumps over to her left side in the adjacent empty seat and then her body appears to crumble onto the floor this is an image of Zeritska from that video she had just been stabbed

She had just been stabbed to death, but had not yet died. She's looking up at her killer. It is a look of fright, confusion, terror, almost one of betrayal. There's something about her eyes that suggests a betrayal, that she didn't know. She didn't know that the social compact here in the United States has been broken. She didn't know that we allow dangerous lunatics to roam our streets and our subways and our light trains, light rail cars in a city like Charlotte, North Carolina, endangering her life when she goes home from the pizzeria. She didn't know she trusted us. You know, she shouldn't have trusted us.

We should not be trusting us. The social compact has been willingly destroyed by the BLM crew. That ends now. That's why we're showing you this. From the time Irena slumps over to the time the first bystander begins to help her, it's about a minute and 20 seconds. A minute and 20 seconds. One man who was sitting in the seats behind Brown gets up and walks over, but does not bend down to help her, despite the blood beginning to pour out of her. You see a woman who was seated in the aisle right beside Zariska. she's basically next to her, but across the aisle, she gets up but does not bend down to help Zeritska

at all. Another man walks up. He points at Zeritska, but does not offer help. I mean, a minute and 20 seconds, it's a painfully long time when you watch the video. You do not understand why they are not helping her. The only thing I can hope for is that they were confused and they didn't realize what it happened. But soon the blood begins pouring out of this poor girl, and it's really hard to understand how there's not a mass reaction on board that train. I'm going to show you that piece of the video right here, so you'll understand how long she was lying on the floor, alone. You can hear there's no panic here because look at this. She's reaching up to grab her phone.

She's down. She's down on the floor here. You can see her hand moving. She's alive. She's reaching, we believe, for her phone. Someone's dying next to you. No one's helping her. They're milling about.

There goes a lady in the red shirt who is her seat neighbor. Bye. You've been utterly useless. You've done absolutely fucking nothing. fucking nothing. You made eye contact with her. You looked at her and then you looked out the window. We saw you. They're milling about like she's not even down. We're still in the minute 20. Here comes the man in the green shirt. And I want to tell the audience in that video we just showed, I didn't notice it the first time I watched the video because I was looking at

the bystanders wondering why they weren't doing anything. And then I watched it a second time and the most disturbing part of the video is she's gone down. You know she's down. And there's the half wall that's dividing the front of her seat from the area where people disembark from the train, like the small little half wall. She had her feet up on it after she was attacked. And she's down, her head is down on the floor now, and you see blood, very bright red blood start to come out underneath that half wall. And by the end, it is absolutely spurting. It's projectile. That's the damage that man inflicted in those three seconds. It is very clear that she needed assistance. It was not,

until that last man we saw at the end of the video and unidentified man still in a green shirt rushes over and bends down to begin helping her for what it's worth because this does have racial elements. This is a person of color. I have no idea what his heritage is, whether he's black, Hispanic, Indian. I don't know. But he helps her. He works on her alone for several minutes while also calling 911. It is unclear whether or others had already called for help. At one point, a young woman does rush in then to help. The man in the green shirt takes off his shirt,

apparently to try to use it to stop the bleeding. At times, they're seen caressing her face. A short time later, another man rushes in to help. None of these people was sitting near Zurichka when the attack happened. Those people appear to have just bailed. These are folks who rushed in to help when they did realize something was wrong. At one point, it appears the man in the greenerzka. shirt, gets Zorozka's ID, and shows it to the other two. We don't know for sure, but as parents,

we can only hope someone was calling her by her name. Maybe someone said, Eriena, you'll be okay. We're here. And maybe that comforted her in her final moments here on Earth. When she looked for help in the end, people did care enough to know her name. But those weren't the people who could have prevented this death. Those people are politicians. Those people are people like the governor of North Carolina. The one right before this one and Governor Josh Stein. The local DA, the mayor, the magistrate judge, the district court judge,

who allowed this guy back on the street when they knew he was mentally unwell and dangerous. They knew both of those things. The media won't talk to you about that. You watch CNN, you're just going to hear that he was mentally ill. Poor guy, mentally ill. Van Jones literally said hurt people, hurt people. What in the actual F? He was mentally ill. He had schizophrenia and he was dangerous. Not everyone who's mentally ill is dangerous. No one's talking about mandatory lockups for everyone who is mentally ill. There is a significant faction of the mentally ill who are also dangerous. And this guy was at the

top of the list. And they just kept revolving dooring him right back out to an unsuspecting public. This was not only not surprising, it was bound to happen. And it's bound to happen in your city, too. And it is happening. It is happening in your city. You don't hear about it because the media won't discuss it for all sorts of reasons. Do you have any doubt that this story would be getting shoved down your throat. Just imagine, just imagine, if that perpetrator had been a white 22-year-old male killing a cowering black young woman on her way home from her pizzeria job. This story would be leading the news everywhere.

We would be having riots in the street. Nothing. Even today. I mean, think of how many times, how many days the George Floyd story, dominated the news. And he was a derelict career criminal, too. They cared more about him. How everybody in the country knows the name of this Kilmar-Aubrago Garcia, this, you know, Maryland man, who's been a wife abuser, a trafficker of illegals. The list of accusations against him is long, very long, including from his own wife. Everyone knows his name.

On the New York Times homepage now, it's not even there. Washington Post, not even there. They don't care about this story. They're not really interested in when white people get killed by black people. It doesn't fit any narrative and therefore, it's just crimes, free country happens. It's just, look, this is the official end, end of the Black Lives Matter mania. And it has to end, it has to be reversed policy-wise and legally. And that's going to require accountability. That's going to require the people who got us into this must to say they're sorry and undo it.

an actual finger pointing by those of us who have been keeping the receipts when it comes to those who got us into this mess because not everybody went along. There were many of us who stood up at the time and said, this is insanity, and these are lies we're being told. Lies. And I've got three very important such people with me today. Megan Basham is a reporter for the Daily Wire. Heather McDonald is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor for

City Journal, an author of When Race Trump's Merit, and Allie Beth Stuckey is host of the relatable podcast, an author of toxic empathy. What a phrase given this news story. Ladies, thank you all so much for being here today. It's wonderful to have you. When inflation jumps, when you hear the national debt is over $37 trillion. Do you ever think maybe now would be a good time to buy some gold? Well, you'd be right. Whether as a hedge against inflation, peace of mind during global instability or just for sensible diversification, Birch Gold Group believes every American should own a physical gold. And so they created something special until September 30th.

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Text MK to the number 9-8-9-8-9-8 to claim your eligibility and get your free info kit. Heather, let me start with you as, you know, in a way, the mother of us all on this. I mean, I'm sure everybody looking at you has been influenced by you and your writings and your expertise on this subject. And you are somebody who has told the truth from the beginning, been called every name in the book, only to be proven right time and time again. And so when you hear Van Jones and others like him, look at this situation with that absurd recitation about hurt people. What's your thought? I agree with you totally, Megan.

I think this has got to be the end. The elites have been perpetrating a complete lie. which is that white people are the biggest threat facing black people today, that the criminal justice system is racist, that we live in a white supremacist society. That lie has given them enormous power, and the lie is what gave us the unbelievably heart-wrenching death of Ms. Zerutska, because based on the lie of criminal justice system racism,

we have been decriminalizing, we have been deprasecuting long before George Floyd, but after the George Floyd race riots, it became an absolute mania. And we are refusing to inflict just punishment because doing so will have a disparate impact on black criminals. And the Roy Cooper's of the world, who you mentioned, that introduced racial, equity considerations into North Carolina and Charlotte. We're incarcerating too many black and Hispanic criminals. They are the embodiment of that lie. And let's just look again at the statistics, Megan. It cannot be further from the truth. President Biden, President Obama used to go around saying that black parents were right to fear that their children would be killed

every time they stepped outside implicitly by either a police officer or white person. No, the reality of interracial crime is exactly the opposite. It is what we have seen in this video. This video is a synecdoche for the reality of America. In 2023, the National Academy of Sciences, a liberal left elite institution published a report authored by, among others, Bruce Western, who is a leftist at Columbia, University that said that the amount of white-on-black homicides in the United States was so negligible to not really even be measurable statistically, whereas blacks are 35 times more likely to commit an

act of violence against whites than whites against blacks. Nevertheless, we have been told by the New York Times, by CNN, that it is blacks who are victimized by our system. That has given the elites power to overturn every Western standard of excellence, of merit, of behavior, of criminal justice. And I hope you're right. And I think you have to be. It's over now. Mm-hmm. This must be the end of the fever dream. The Van Jones soundbite would have played in 2020. I'll play it now, Allie, Beth, and then get your take on it. It would have played in 2020. It's too late for these kinds of lies. Here it is.

We don't know why that man did what he did. And for Charlie Kirk to say, we know he did it because she's white, when there's no evidence of that, it's just pure race mongering, hate mongering, it's wrong. Then he says that if something like that had happened the other way, there would be sweeping changes imposed on society. Where is the George Floyd Policing Act? It didn't pass. You mentioned the thing about cashless bail. I think this is a big challenge that we have. Would you have felt better if there had been cash bail and the mom had come and put down $1,000 to let him out?

It's not about cashless bail or no cashless bail. It's about the fact that we don't know how to deal with people who are hurting in the way this man was hurting. Hurt people, hurt people. Your thoughts, Ellie Beth. This is a prime example of that toxic empathy. Empathy turns toxic when it encourages you to do at least two things. And that is validate lies and support destructive policies. And it encourages you to ignore the true victim in every situation and instead victimize the criminal or the perpetrator of wrong.

And this false narrative that we've heard for many decades, but of course accelerated over the past five years, that we have this basic binary dichotomy of the United States of black oppressed and white oppressor. And that everything, every situation, every news story has to be examined through that lens has supported policy. that have led to deaths like this one. Even in the Christian world, in the evangelical world, we certainly saw in 2020 and still see today one message toward the white congregants, which is one of collective guilt, a collective need for repentance of the sins of America and the sins of our white ancestors, and a complete abdication of responsibility toward their more melanated congregants, a sermon of apology toward them. a message of guilt toward white privilege or guilt about systemic racism toward their white

congregants. And that message, especially over the past half decade, has breathed life into the kinds of policies that have led to unjust murders like this one. And so, yes, of course, it is a huge political issue. It is a huge systemic issue. But we've got spiritual and theological problems in the United States. that is leading to this kind of bloodshed, it's got to change on every single level. Yes, Megan, I know you've been talking about this, too, over at Daily Wire.

And I have to tell you, you know, I talked about this openly. I'm Catholic. And going through the process of getting an annulment on my first marriage, and my ex-husband and I are friends, and he's on board. But in the process, I had a bit of a crisis of faith because it just sort of dawned on me, as my evangelical friends would already argue, why do I? I have to go through the middleman. Like what what is the point of like getting this middleman to like bless the dissolution of this? And I had a moment of like searching for other churches

within the Christian faith. Like I might consider this one. I might consider that one. And I'm telling you like literally every church I went to just to try them out had a pride flag on the outside of it and a BLM flag. A pride flag and BLM. It was unbelievable how the Christian community has bent the knee to this lie, to these lies about policing in America and what our obligations are as people of faith on this whole narrative. Yeah, and I'm really glad that you bring that up, that Allie brings that up, because it's an important point to know that I don't believe that these policies, which have been floated by the left for many, many years, they've been promoted, they've been pushed, but they were

allowed to take hold in the wake of George Floyd because you had people who were known as Christian conservatives, for example, using their platforms to push what was a false narrative, which was that George Floyd died because of racism in the policing system. We now know that there was not a shred of evidence that race played any role in his death. And so these were the people who were able to give that movement a moral imperative it didn't have when it was just Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton talking about it. And, you know, one of the things I want to emphasize for people as a Charlotte native is that this was a safe area. of town. It's a very trendy, trendy restaurants, trendy shops and boutiques. We go there frequently

on the weekend. So you can't escape the impact of these policies, if that's what you're thinking. This was not a dangerous part of town. And the other thing I want to emphasize is that Governor Roy Cooper and our then Attorney General, now Governor Josh Stein, responded to the death of George Floyd in another state more quickly than they responded to the death of Arena Zarutka who was a resident of their own state, who they are responsible for. So within two weeks, Governor Roy Cooper had called for a racial equity task force to overhaul our criminal justice system here in North Carolina. And the things that it put in place were things like pre-trial release, cashless bail, decriminalizing homelessness and, quote-unquote, public behavior,

so being a public menace on the streets, the very kinds of things that DeCarlos Brown was arrested for. So when that was going on, and you have, let's be clear, this is the Bible Belt. North Carolina is the Bible Belt. This is Southern Baptist land. So when you have that going on, and then you have the president of the Southern Baptist Convention, which is the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S. represents some 14 million Americans, get up into the pulpit, get up onto platforms represented by the Southern Baptist Convention, and release public letters saying, you are a bad Christian. You are not a loving Christian if you don't support this overhaul of our criminal justice system in the name of racial equity. Well, you have a lot of people in the pews

who are looking at them going, well, these are conservative Christians like me. And they say, I'm not loving my neighbor if I don't embrace these policies. So that's what I believe was really the difference with George Floyd, why these policies that were being pushed for a long time were suddenly allowed to take effect even by people who would consider themselves conservatives because who wants to be called a bad Christian? Who wants to say they don't love their black neighbor? So that was really a tipping point, I think. And the appalling thing to me is that you had so many of those faith leaders participating in that lie and that it cost people in their own backyard and they've largely been silent about it now. Yeah, all I can think about is Barry Weiss came on

this show very early in its life. And we talked a bit, this is well before 10-7. And we talked a little bit about anti-Semitism and how people get away with it. Like, it's not really, no one seems to really mind it much in many corners. And she said to me, it's because Jews don't count. Like, we don't count. No one's really that exercised when a Jewish person is targeted with anti-Semitism. It's a very different reaction than when a black person is the subject of actual racism, right? Like, there's just not the same level of outrage.

And we've gotten to the point somehow. where young white women don't count. And obviously, men too, but women tend to be the victim of crimes. I mean, in so many instances where it's a male perpetrated act. But young white people, white people don't count. They don't count. They don't count if you're Austin Metcalf down in Texas and you've got Carmelo Anthony stabbing you in the heart for no reason.

Another story the media wanted to ignore, they don't count here. I mean, we could spend all day outlining the stories that just really aren't of interest because we're the wrong color and our hair is the wrong color and a privilege is assumed and therefore we're not oppressed. So too fucking bad if you get murdered. I mean, truly, that's how callous our ruling class has become, Heather. Well, and this goes beyond, I mean, there's nothing worse than justifying in a sense or diminishing violent crime. but the hatred of whites goes far beyond that, Megan,

and the consequences for our society go far beyond this. Whites are the last to be admitted to medical school with superb qualifications. They're the last to be admitted to law schools. They're the last to be considered for medical deanship at this point. We are tearing down every standard of excellence because it has a disparate impact on blacks, not because those standards are racist, they are not.

It's because the academic skills gap is so huge. So it's a completely codependent relationship. We demean whites because we're so terrified at this point about black dysfunction. We want to turn our eyes away from it. And of course, I'm not talking about all blacks. There are thousands, millions of law-abiding, hardworking blacks who want public safety, who want the police. but there is a real problem, there is a catastrophic dysfunction in the black underclass community

that nobody wants to talk about. We turn our eyes away from it because we're so terrified. We don't have any solutions for it. We've been trying decades to close the crime gap, to close the achievement gap. None of that effort has worked. And so we are elevating blacks as the saints and whites as the devils. And, you know, the lies are so great. They're so great with regards to discrimination in the private sector. They're so great with regards to discrimination in the criminal justice system. And as both Megan and Allie said and you, these lies have consequences. The reason that Brown was still on the streets was because of the Black Lives Matter narrative. Because we have decided we're simply not going to enforce the criminal.

law because doing so will have a disparate impact on black criminals. That's the only reason. If there was no disparity in criminal offending, if blacks were incarcerated, if they were arrested, if they were stopped at the same rate of whites, and the reason they're stopped at higher rates, again, is not police racism. It is not prosecutor racism. It is not jury racism. It's because their crime rates are 25 times that, 50 times that of whites. That lie has meant that we are not incarcerating anybody. We are not putting anybody away for mental illness. You mentioned, yes, not every mentally ill person is violent, but there is a fatal brew of mental illness and chemical abuse. This is the mica population.

Mental ill people who abuse substance have very, very high rates of crime. And my guess is that Brown is probably also not just schizophrenic, but a chemical abuser. He was a walking time bomb. There are walking time bombs all across our cities. In New York, people are constantly being pushed into subways, assaulted by these mentally ill vagrants. We're not doing anything about it. Why, again, it's all about race. Americans have to stop being scared of being called a racist, and fortunately, our commander-in-chief

now doesn't give a damn. Like you, Megan, he doesn't give a damn. And my hope is that in four years, this madness will end, and most people will say, I too don't give a damn. You can't scare me by calling me a racist. You can't tear down America by calling it systemically racist at this point, in time, I'm not going to put up for it with it. It's amazing. We went through a period, Alibeth, where we all knew that the black on white crime was worse than the white on black crime, which is really amazing when you consider the population rate, right? That black people are 13% of the population. Black men are, call it half, six and a half percent of the population. And even smaller,

if you look at the age, you know, like let's say teenagers through 55, you know, probably the average age of those who would commit crimes, it's going to be more like two to three percent. So that's the population committing the vast majority of crime, violent crime, period. And those people committing crime against whites is a much, much higher number than whites committing any crime against blacks. So we went through years where we just didn't talk about that. Polite society wouldn't raise that fact. It was an inconvenient, uncomfortable fact. You were a racist if you wanted to mention that.

So we didn't. We didn't talk about the media. We didn't talk about a polite society. And then after George Floyd, the whole narrative gets switched to not only, like, okay, we're past the days of not talking about. Now we're going to say it's the whites. The whites who are, Matt Walsh did an amazing monologue on this. I posted it on my Twitter today.

But now the whole narrative switched to whites are dangerous. Whites are hurting and oppressing and killing blacks at every turn. You know, LeBron James, they're getting hunted in the streets by these racist white cops. And bit by bit you see these murders. And they get attention. If they get caught on camera, that's the nature of American society. And still, we have the media. unwilling to go there. It doesn't flow with the narrative. They're still, they're capitalizing

black when they write about the races in this particular instance, as is the new AP stylebook recommendation, but not white. That's lowercase for a reason. Yep, you're absolutely right. A white person is seven to eight times more likely to be killed by a black person than the reverse. Yet, if you are just a normal person who doesn't dig into statistics as normal people don't, you just listen to the mainstream media. Maybe you listen to your pastor. You would certainly think it was the opposite. Actually, you would think that the numbers are even more exaggerated when it comes to white people killing black people. And of course, it's just not true. It's a sad fact, but it is a fact. And the truth does matter because what people think, people's perception

of reality isn't just something that stays in their own mind. It changes policy. It changes programs. That's what we've seen over the past five years. I had a very well-meaning pastor reach out to me just this morning who genuinely wanted to know this is a normal person not plugged into day-to-day politics like we are who said, Allie, I value your insight and I'm trying to understand why people are making this political. And I just responded because politics has something to do with it. Because the politics of this city, of this state affected the policies that then enabled this person to be out on the street and murder this young woman. And something about mental health, since we were just talking about that, first of all, like I don't care.

about your mental health diagnosis. If you are violent, whether you're schizophrenic, depressed, I want you to be put away so that you don't have to affect the rest of society. Your mental health diagnosis, while unfortunate, is not a justification for your symptoms to be unleashed on everyone else. Number two, this person was mentally well enough to target the most vulnerable person on that train. If he was so out of it, he might have targeted someone bigger than him, someone stronger than him because he wasn't capable of understanding whether or not that person could defend themselves. Instead, he targeted this frail, small, vulnerable girl, cheap shot from behind. She couldn't even see herself to move out of the way and then was with it enough afterward to walk out

and say, it seems, I got that white girl, I got that white girl. So he apparently was mentally capable enough, cognizant enough to commit this crime. And another thing I want to say, mental health. Sometimes it's not mental health. We always talk about it's mental health. We need more mental health programs. This is trauma, hurt people, hurt people. Look, evil exists. I know that's unpopular to say, it's not sophisticated or academic to say, but actual evil exists. Objective morality exists. Darkness exists. Some people do things not because they are not okay mentally, but because they are evil. And we as a society have to have the moral courage, have to have the political will to restrain evil at almost whatever the cost. Because evil is either going to be

inflicted on us or we are going to inflict punishment on the evildoers to protect everyone else. That is the very simple black and white choice that we have. And now maybe we will have the courage to make it. Yes, you're so right. I mean, like, I'm sorry that you're having schizophrenia. It really shouldn't be my problem. That's, that's really where I am. I pay tax dollars to try to get people like this into facilities where they can't hurt me or my children. Why aren't my tax dollars being used this way? Instead, Megan, what we've seen with these judges down there, yet you mentioned the governor and his predecessor, both of whom were woke Democrats who implemented soft on crime policing policies. The mayor, she's a nightmare, vile, that's what I call

her. Her name is Vi Liles, a Democrat. Her reaction, I read this the other day, but just as a reminder, she comes out to say, I don't know the specifics of this man's medical record, but he's long struggled with his mental health, appears to have suffered a crisis. This is the unfortunate and tragic outcome. Tragic incidents like these should force us to look at what we are doing across our community to address root causes. We will never arrest our way out of issues such as homelessness and mental health. And then goes on to say, I want to be clear, I'm not villainizing those who struggle

with their mental health. Then there's the magistrate judge who's got another job as the director of operations at second chance services, a mental health and addiction clinic in Charlotte, North Carolina. Gee, I wonder what her political bent would be when someone like this guy, Brown, comes before her. She graduated from the worst law school in the country, Cooley Law School. So she has a JD. It also has the lowest bar passage rate of any credited law school in the country. We don't believe she has her actual bar card. So she's a magistrate judge who can't practice law from the look of it. And by the way, that's also legal in North Carolina. She's making decisions

on your safety as a Charlotte resident. And then it goes up to Roy Wiggins, who made the decision this district judge in July on whether this guy should remain in custody pending his mental health evaluation and said, no, he doesn't need to. Go ahead. Go back out on the streets. All of you, all of you in Charlotte,

were failed by all of these people. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, when you look at that Vi-Lyle statement, the thing that was most appalling about it is in her initial statement, She did not acknowledge Irina Zerutska at all, did not name the victim, didn't even refer to the victim. She only referred to the perpetrator as a victim. And so that, I think, was what was just so eye-opening to so many of us to hear that.

And then you look at the kind of money coming in to change these policies, you know, something I posted on X that ended up going kind of viral, was the fact that the MacArthur Foundation, a $7 billion mega foundation, has funneled over $3 million into Mecklenburg County, which houses Charlotte. in order to promote this racial equity overhaul of our criminal justice system. So, you know, the same kind of policies that you saw coming out of the racial equity task force were also being promoted by the MacArthur Foundation. So they're getting paid a lot of money to supposedly give these second chances.

But let's be clear, it wasn't a second chance. This man had been arrested at least 14 times before, including for armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, assaulting his own sister. This is not somebody who should have been on the streets, as even his own mother acknowledged. She tried to get him committed. She tried to get him involuntarily held.

They only held him for a short period of time. And these were the deliberate policies, as Ali said, that have been enacted this pretrial, this cashless bail, this reducing the prison population and decriminalizing homelessness. So these were deliberate actions. This wasn't somebody who fell through the cracks. This was the design. And I think that is what is waking so many people up, is that it wasn't an accident that this happened.

They have deliberately enacted these policies to ensure that someone like that is on the streets. And to be clear, just to be clear on what happened, because we used to institutionalize people in this country. We did use to do it to keep the rest of us safe. And then we decided we weren't going to do that anymore some 50 years ago. We were going to start opening up the doors

to the institutions and letting people out because of civil liberties. We had a couple of bad Supreme Court decisions saying, yeah, you know, have to be really super protective of these people's civil liberties. and what did we start to do? They were out on the streets, they became homeless, it became a real problem.

So normal states and cities started locking them up in the prisons. Because nine times out of ten, the truly deranged would wind up committing crimes. So they wound up going into the prisons. And the prisons wound up housing some 30% of their populations who were nut cases too. But at least they were behind bars and they would be getting some sort of mental health services in prison. All right, not ideal. I'd rather see them in a locked up mental instance. institution, but I don't really care as long as you're not near me. And then came George Floyd

at Palooza, and even the 10 years leading up to it, where we started opening up the prisons. Incarceration was bad. It was dangerous. It was racist. And then George Floyd, and we started not only opening up the prisons, but not even prosecuting these people to begin with. That's why, Heather, this is a direct result of policy choices that have been made by politicians. Well, politicians have now decided that their primary commitment is to the antisocial and the dysfunctional. The hatred against whites that you mentioned, Megan, that results in whiteness studies in the Smithsonian talking about the awful white traits of punctuality and rationality and family, that hatred is even broader. It's the hatred of the bourgeois, of the

normal, of the law-abiding. And instead, government, I call this the Great Inversion, has decided that its obligation is to protect the criminal, the vagrant against the alleged threat from the bourgeois, and that treats taxpayers as ATMs merely for their feckless social uplift projects. And so we have the rights of the mentally ill vagrants who've decided, and drug abusers, who decided they want a street lifestyle because it's the easiest way to keep getting their drug habit fed. We cater to them with these outreach teams that bring them pizza and blankets and tents. And we ask taxpayers to simply put up with it. These are situations in our cities that would have been unthinkable 60, 70 years ago, 100 years ago, when government understood that its

primary obligation was not to the antisocial to protect the antisocial or black people against dangerous whites and dangerous bodega owners and dangerous entrepreneurs that are just trying to create a functioning business to help Americans have more choice in how they live their lives. Now, it used to be that's our obligation is to the functional. Now the only obligation is to people like Brown, to people like Michael Brown, We learned today, amazingly, that the main liar, Dorian Johnson, who perpetrated one of the most incendiary lies of the Black Lives Matter movement, the hands-up don't shoot lie, that even the Obama Justice Department couldn't give credence to and finally said this whole thing is bogus. He was shot fatally, very close to where the Michael Brown incident in Ferguson, Missouri, happened in 2014. Those are the people that we are venerating.

It's a tragic situation. You know, all of our civil rights heroes today are dysfunctional black criminals. That's how you become a civil rights hero. You get yourself shot by the police because you've been resisting arrest or running or trying to grab the officer's gun, as Michael Brown was. And we're so desperate to villainize whites and to sanctify blacks because we're so terrified about that. that inner city dysfunction, that those are the people who now we have shrines to. Minneapolis has shrines of plenty to George Floyd because government is unwilling to say, no, we are going to fulfill our obligations, which is to provide, protect rights, property,

life and liberty of people who obey the law. Yeah, the social compact. We are definitely getting back to the story of Dorian Johnson. and Michael Brown, the fact that he's died, and what the media is now saying about him. In particular, CNN and NBC, we are rounding back to that in just a minute, but let me put a pin in it for now.

Megan, you mentioned these groups that have been getting in there changing our prosecution departments and offices across the country. There was an article in Heather's publication, City Journal today. It hit yesterday. The title of it is outsourcing justice,

how donors and consultants steer America's prosecutors. And it kicks off with a story about the W-R-E-N collective LLC, a private consulting firm that is, quote, already embedded in several prosecutors' office across the country and looking to expand. In particular, it's founded by this former public defender activist, Jessica Brand. And they get in there and say, for free, we'll teach you how to do all of the woke BLS stuff. And they're well funded by activists with an agenda. So this is, like, we're, we actually have identified political enemies that we have to defeat. Like, we're not in there. Our groups aren't in there.

What are we doing? Right. And look, that's part of the problem is that you have millions and millions of dollars pouring in from Soros's Open Society Foundation, from the MacArthur Foundation. And they're promoting all of these policies. And you have municipalities that are happy to take those millions of dollars to implement these programs. And look, I spent the last couple of days sitting and watching some of this anti-Rourable. racism training that they put our, I mean, literally our entire court system and policing system through this rolled out across the state. It became a mandatory thing that you had to go through

this anti-racism training as a part of that racial equity task force that was unveiled right after the death of George Floyd. And it is teaching them that if your impulse is to jail someone who is a minority because of a crime they've committed, well, then you may have an implicit bias. And that is what you as a law enforcement officer or as a member of the court, that's what's pushing you to do that. And really quick, I just want to cite a statistic, which is the fact that if you put white people on a jury, they are much less likely to convict a black defendant than they are another white defendant. It is the opposite for black juries. They are much more likely to let a fellow black defendant go free, and they are much more likely to convict a white defendant. So this

idea that white people have this implicit animus towards black people is simply not borne out by the statistics. All right. We're not done. When we come back, I take a quick break. I'm going to play you the soundbite from CNN from just last night as they had on a woman Caroline Downey from NR National Review who tried to raise the issue of this guy was not safe to be on the streets and we'll show you the meltdown that ensued. And we will round back to the Michael Brown narrative still being lied about. Still by the same. media that has caused these problems we've spent the last hour discussing standby. Okay. Want to know about something positive and upbeat? Well, I've been telling you about

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In Charlotte, North Carolina, we saw the results of these policies when a 23-year-old woman who came here from Ukraine met her bloody end on a public train, and here's a picture of it. This is the picture of it. And this is a picture of the woman, a beautiful young girl that never had problems in life. for the magnificent future in this country. And now she's dead. We cannot allow a depraved criminal element of violent repeat offenders

to continue spreading destruction and death throughout our country. We have to respond with force and strength. We have to be vicious just like they are. It's amazing to listen to him. What a different message we would have had if Kamala Harris had been in there. God, I mean, it's a miracle. It's a miracle. It's a miracle. It's a miracle he's in there for this and that there's a chance to undo some of the madness. I do want to show you some of the things that have come in on this guy's mental state. His sister is talking to the news. And in particular, she's speaking to the Daily Mail. First, she told CNN, her name is Tracy. First, she told CNN that the perpetrator here, De Carlos Brown, Jr. had been diagnosed with schizophrenia. He suffered from hallucinations and paranoia.

he attacked her in 2022. She, the sister, ultimately dropped the charges out of concern for his mental health. She said she spoke with her brother, the defendant here, after his arrest, asked him why he did it. And she said, he responded, because she was reading my mind. Her brother told her multiple times the government had implanted a chip in him, she said, and said, look, somebody like this is going to break. and that night he broke. He just snapped.

Well, now she's spoken to the Daily Mail with a recording she made of her conversation with DeC Carlos Brown Jr. And here we play it. Watch. So you said something in your body did what?

No, the material, I feel like the material using my body established. and so she just got stabs you know that's not me I'm talking about just for no reason but since they did that now they got to investigate the material my body is supposed to

since they want to do all that now they got to investigate she's from she's from the Ukraine she's from Russia and you know they got a war they had a war going on against the United States. So I'm just trying to understand, out of all people, why her? That's, hey, it ain't, I don't have nothing. They just lashed out on her. That's, that, that, that's what happened. They lashed out on her. Who was working out? Who was, who was, whoever was

working the material they lashed out on her. Whoever was working the material, they lashed out on her. Since they did that, meaning the Ukrainian situation, now they have to, investigate the material in my body to. Obviously, this is an unwell person, but here's what jumps out at me, Alliebeth. This is exactly what he said to the 911 operator last January, January of 2025, that got him arrested. He was saying the same, he's been espousing this, and the criminal justice system knew it and sent him back out there. Here is what they charged him with. During the 911 incident, officer said he bizarrely claimed a man-made material. was inside his body and was controlling him as he ate, walked, and talked, according to an

affidavit cited by the outlet. The affidavit read as follows, quote, Brown wanted officers to investigate this man-made material that was inside of his body. Obviously, the guy is a nutcase, but he's not just any random nutcase. He had this very long, I mean, I've, we've confirmed 14 arrests, but there are reports that it was more than that, that it was up to 20. 29 times he'd been arrested in and out of the system. And we know for that particular instance, he was arrested. He was in front of the justice system in January in front of that ridiculous magistrate judge. And then again, in July, a month before this happened, in front of Judge Roy Wiggins, both of whom sent him back out on his way. So last night, the subject

of his schizophrenia came up on CNN, and Caroline Downey, who's with National Review, tried to make a point about it. Here's how that went. he served time for his violent offenses and not for his schizophrenia why that's not a surprise no i know but i'm saying that that was compounding this entire issue the fact that he lashed out violently on that i know i'm just saying he did actually serve time for the violent offenses that he committed but he was a career criminal a repeat offender who was let back onto our streets despite a really bad criminal record that suggests he should have been locked away for life because he was threatening the public.

He was a menace to society. I'm sorry, he should have been locked away for life for what now? He should have, schizophrenia. You actually said that. I can't believe you actually said that. You want to be locked away in jail forever for schizophrenia. Is he said he said he should be locked away for life for schizophrenia. He should be institutionalized, yes.

And if you're saying he should not, you're saying that young women like you and me are basically just we are lambs into the. slaughter. You go on public transportation in the city. That could happen to any single one of us. I use public transit constantly. That is completely unhinged, frankly. People shouldn't be locked away for mental illness. They should be treated for it. We don't have the art. Yes. Yes, Ali. What he needed, he needed talk therapy. That's really, that's what DeCarlos Brown Jr. needed. If people like this who are surrounding Caroline are anywhere close to power, we will continue to have situations like this on a consistent basis. Look, this is not a one-off. Sure, he does seem like

a nutcase, but also at the same time, I just want to say evil people say evil things. People who are violent and are also liars. Yeah, he's probably crazy, but he could just also be making excuses for the fact that he's a bad person who does bad things, and he doesn't want to take responsibility for that. That is like the pattern of a lot of criminals. But also, I want to say something about our mental health system. What we have realized, especially since COVID, a lot is over the past five years and revelations about many different things is that our mental health system in general is actually exacerbating the problem of instability and violence, not reducing the violence that is caused by people who may have these mental health diagnoses, because

so many of the pharmaceuticals actually have on their label as potential side effects, psychosis, violence against others, violence against yourself, deepening these episodes of depression and anxiety and paranoia. I don't know what pharmaceuticals, this guy was on, if he was on any, but for anyone to say, well, he just needs treatment, he just needs more psychology, he just needs more psychiatry, obviously not, obviously not. He had probably been getting that for some time. Caroline is absolutely right.

For this kind of manifestation of this kind of mental illness, yes, locked away for life because they are all saying exactly what Caroline said they are saying, which is that you, young woman, you white woman, you are worth the sacrifice. We are going to put you on the altar of social justice, of racial equity, and you are going to like it. People like that on that round table, yes, exactly, should never be close to power. Yeah, no, exactly right. I have absolutely no qualms about this guy going away for life before this crime. It's his life or our lives.

Why should we, the perfectly law-abiding sane ones, have. to put our lives on the line just to get on the light rail. It's absurd. He's the one. I'm sorry, he's got to go. And we've had too many instances that prove that to us. Nonetheless, it's not just the CNN panel. Got one for you too, Megan. Here's Whoopi Goldberg this morning over on the view. Oh, young woman is dead. Let's take that into consideration. And yes, a man who should have been behind bars was loose and out. Well, he should, listen, he was a schizophrenic man. His mother begged them to take him and put him away.

So stop politicizing this. This is not political. This has to do with how we take care of our sick Americans when they are in need. Not political at all. Okay. So a point of order first, going back to that CNN panel, is that he was not put away for all of those crimes. For most of those crimes, he did go away for the armed robbery. But for multiple other crimes, he was credited with time served, giving community service and probation. So he was not serving time for the crimes he committed. Second point of order, he didn't just have the encounters with the police that we know about where he was arrested. There were additional points. We know at least three times in 2020. So just last year, he had encounters with the police where they didn't arrest him. They referred him to, quote, unquote, resources. So we know that they were supposedly trying to refer him to the kinds of mental health help

that all of these people are saying, well, that's what he should have been given. Well, the community policing forces that he encountered did try to do that, and he wasn't forced to accept it. And so he didn't. So he continued to be a menace on our public streets. And that is the point of why that absolutely, yes, this is political because those were the policies that allowed him to be on that train so that he could stab Ariana Zarutka in the neck. So to try to separate this from politics, in fact, to try to separate it from identity politics

is impossible because it was the identity politics that played a role in why he was out there being a menace to society. So, you know, when I look at this, I go, one, they're not being dishonest about this man, or they're not being honest about this man's background, but they're also then not being honest about the role that identity politics and the social justice movement in the wake of George Floyd played in his being out there and being available to commit this crime.

Just a follow-up, too, on the problems with the North Carolina judges involved in all of this. This, I mentioned the one judge, Teresa Stokes, and what she did, and then the other judge, Roy Wiggins, and what he did. But Jesse Waters actually did a good piece on Fox last night on who appointed Teresa Stokes as magistrate judge from the lowest rated law school in the country, who's not even a practicing lawyer who doesn't appear to have her bar card. It was someone named Alyssa Chin Gary, who's the clerk of the superior court. Stokes was nominated by the clerk, and then Stokes was

appointed by Judge Carla Archie. Chin Gary, the one who nominated her, her bio, on the Mecklenburg Bar Association, says she's the family court administrator and a leader in building and strengthening race matters for juvenile justice. Under Chin Gary's leadership, race matters for juvenile justice partnered with all these other groups to train more than 200 leaders in a series of workshops entitled dismantling racism. Those are the qualifications she wanted us to know she had in order to select future magistrate court judges who would be making assessments on bail and whether somebody like Brown would. have to stay in the system. Her LinkedIn says that she's a judge of superior court and probate, racial equity organizer, diversity and inclusion consultant. She then wrote, in 2014, I was named the Julius L. Chambers Diversity Champion, conferred by the Mecklenburg County Bar to celebrate persons in our community who advance the cause of diversity and equal

opportunity. This is giving me total L.A. Fire Chief vibes, right? Black and a lesbian. I'm black and I'm a lesbian. Can you fight fire? Who cares? See points one and two? Who gives crap about all these like diversity equity initiatives she's involved in? Do you have any qualifications to pick magistrate judges? And in North Carolina they said, yes, those are the qualifications. She's right on. She's assessed our interests perfectly. The mayor, who you mentioned before, who I call vial, this is a picture of the mayor at the George Floyd funeral. Here she is. On her knees, George Floyd. She's deeply upset about George Floyd and his passing. We'll show you the picture. But that's who she's working for effectively. Distraught. This is Mayor Vye after George Floyd. Okay, going on. Judge Carla Archie, the one who actually made the appointment of the magistrate judge Teresa Stokes. 2019 Diversity Champion Award winner. She posted this photo in 2020 on her LinkedIn wearing her mask. It reads Vaxed with a good dose.

Joseph Holiday Cheer, and on it goes from there. So the whole system, Megan, was set up. It was set up to see a guy like DeCarlos Brown and send him right out the revolving door so that Whoopi Goldberg could then say, well, this isn't political. It's just about how we treat the unwell, knowing full well that we don't lock them up in this country anymore. We haven't for decades. So unless they are incarcerated in an actual prison or we revamp our mental health asylum situation, he's going to be free on the streets to kill more.

Yeah. And again, when I look at that picture of Vyliles, I just go to the fact that they all had, her, Josh Stein, Roy Cooper all had something to say much more quickly about George Floyd in another state than they did about someone who is a resident of their own state in North Carolina who they were responsible for. it's just appalling. And I'm going to be honest, at this point, when I hear those resumes, when I hear I, you know, I'm an expert in anti-racism training or this was the, you know, diversity, equity, inclusion, bona fides that I have. At that point, that's actually a disqualification for me. If I see that on your resume, I don't want you hired for the job. Mm-hmm. Here, Alibeth, here is U.S. Attorney Russ Ferguson on whether the federal charges are political grandstanding, because the feds have now stepped in. I don't see how you would see this case as political grandstanding.

And if you do, I think you should have the conversation that we just had with Arenas family because there's nothing political about that. This is a heinous crime and we are going to remedy it. I don't know what the politics is here. If this was a political grandstand, there would be an opposite side to this. Is the opposite side let's allow murders on our light rail? As the opposite side, let's let people out of state prison so they can commit other crimes. There's no other side to this.

There's no politics of this. This is a pure and simple federal case. I'm relieved knowing they're involved, you? Yes. Now, I will say there are politics involved with this because that is the other side. I mean, that is what the other side thinks, that, yes, we should allow murders because if people are mentally unwell, well, there's nothing that we can do. We just heard that on CNN.

And that is what the policies actually produce. Now, of course, I know what he's saying. He's saying that he's not politically motivated by going after this guy. And of course, that's good. That's true. This is about justice. And he's right. People who are saying this is political grandstanding. I mean, what are they trying to imply there? The unfortunate reality, though, is even while he's speaking in hyperbole, that is an accurate description of what progressives effectively believe when it comes to crime, that it's okay that she died as long as we are still accomplishing some superficial definition of racial equity. That is the sad fact of the matter. Yeah, absolutely. And the failure, right, that we've shown commentary from just last night on CNN, we've shown commentary from ABC and The View just this morning. Like they're doing their same old tricks over and over again. This hasn't moved them at all. They must be moved by us. Heather, it didn't start around Michael Brown, but it went into full flower back when he died in the 2014

race riots that destroyed Ferguson, Missouri. And this is like, this is a pivotal moment. For me in my own career, I remember it so well because I had just taken over a year earlier at the Kelly File in the primetime. I was about to. I'm trying to get my exact facts. Right. No, I had just taken over. Yeah. And it was a massive story. And it dominated our news for days and days and days. And we couldn't believe what CNN was doing. Like we were watching the actual evidence unfold and CNN was lying every day on their air based on the word of this guy who just died, who you made a reference to, Dorian Johnson. And Dorian Johnson, just as a background for the people who are getting up to speed, he was friends with Michael Brown. They were in Ferguson, Missouri. They were two black men in, like, their early teens. Dorian Johnson was a little bit older, but Michael Brown was, I think, 18 or 19. And they'd been committing some petty crime that morning. And the officer Scott Wilson was there. And he got into an altercation with Brown, of which, sorry, Derek Wilson. And he, Michael Brown charged Derek Wilson. He charged him in his police.

car. Darren, his fingerprints were on the car. His DNA was on the officer. The officer had a bruise on his face from where he was attacked. The media will tell you none of that. They didn't wait for the story to came out. They went with the word of Michael Brown's friend, Johnson, Dorian Johnson, who said that Michael Brown was surrendering with his hands up saying, hands up, saying basically don't shoot. Here it is. We actually have Dorian Johnson's lie. to the news media here, SOT 5. And once my friend felt that shot, he turned around and he put his hands in the earth, and he started to get down, but the officer still approached with his weapon drawn,

and he fired several more shots. Now, they ran with that like there was no stopping because they love that narrative. The media said, of course, the white cop shot down the teenager, helpless with his hands up, begging for mercy, because whites are racist. We all know that, especially white cops. cops. And that led to the following on CNN, which is a stain against them and others. This is not just CNN, but here's the moments. SOT six. Hands up. Hands up. Don't shoot. Don't shoot. Hands up. Don't shoot. We want you to know that our hearts

are out there marching with them. Sunny. Hoston, Margaret Hoover. Don't shoot. Hands up. Don't shoot. Hands up. This is on the house floor. Democrat after Democrat. As the Rams came out of the tunnel, Taybon Austin and Kenny Britt acknowledged the events in Ferguson. Unbelievable. It's perfect.

And now, Heather, here's where I would love to give it to you. NBC does a write-up of it, talking about as follows. It as follows. Johnson witnessed the shooting and told media outlets what he saw. told them what he saw. And then you've got NBC that also writes up the story of Dorian Johnson dying. His account of Brown's killing helped inspire the iconic hands-up, don't shoot,

protest chant. That assertion, this is CNN. This is the first one was NBC. This is CNN. It's iconic and saying that assertion, though, has been hotly contested. It's been utterly disproven, and these media outlets cannot let go of the narrative, Heather. Well, we've had a series of individual lies like the hands-up, don't shoot, lie, that are all part of the major lie with which Americans have been living for the last 20 years, and they have to wake up from it. It's quite extraordinary. There's a race hustle. There's a race grift. All of those diversity consultants and trainers that Megan referred to, it's all a hustle.

There is no expertise there because they're, and they're fighting no problem. We do not have a problem of white racism. But the race grift has been extraordinarily lucrative. It's given virtue points to the white establishment. that perpetuates this complete fabrication that we live in a white supremacist society that blacks are under threat from whites, not vice versa. Sorry, the statistics show it's vice versa. Again, 35 times more likely blacks are to commit a violent crime against whites than the opposite. Blacks commit about 80% of all interracial violent crime in this country between whites and blacks and

whites and blacks and whites. The lie ends now. And you spoke, Megan, about the unbelievable providential nature of having Trump in office now. The left is terrified because they've been fighting back hysterically against Trump's long overdue call to pay attention to violent crime in America's cities. Trump has the right standard. one crime is too many. One crime is we should not put up with that.

And so we keep hearing, and I'm so sick of this, well, but crime is dropping. And therefore they follow with the non-sequitur. Everything's fine. Yes, crime has been dropping from its massive explosion after the George Floyd race riots. When we got rid of police officers, when we demonized the cops, when they were afraid to make stops. I love hearing Cooper and Stein now say, we need more cops on the beat. Well, guess why they're not there?

Because the cops have been so demonized that they're fleeing the profession. And so we now have to get back. Trump is right. The fact that crime is dropping is irrelevant. And this is what's just needed to say this is what we're talking about, folks. Trump is not hallucinating. He is not exploiting. He is not demagogic.

He is talking about the reality of America. The Washington Post today is concerned about there's National Guard in the subways of Washington, D.C. Who doesn't want that at this point? But the solution, frankly, you cannot have enough police officers stationed to prevent all of this. Yes, it would be good to have more police. Command presence works. What we need to do is incarcerate and institutionalize. No more six, seventh, eighth bites of the apple.

The point of government is to protect the law-abiding, against the criminal, not vice versa. It's not to protect the mentally ill against the sane. It's to protect the sane against the mentally ill. It's to protect people that care about the law, that care about raising their children safely against the maniacs. They don't deserve to be the primary focus of government. And that's what they are now, all thanks to the race hustle and the race grift. Yes. By the way, Raphael Mangwell of City Journal has been saying, and one of the first things we need to do is restore mandatory minimum sentences. So it's not discretionary.

So these third-party groups cannot get into these prosecutors and pressure them to do the revolving door thing. They have no choice. This is the crime. This is the mandatory minimum. Who is just going to add something? I was, Megan. I was just going to say, you know, these claims, too, about crime being down. I don't study every city.

I don't have them off the top of my head. But what I can tell you is in Charlotte, they're being incredibly disingenuous because our homicide race, was up 25% last year. It was the second highest year on record. The first highest year on record was 2020 during the year of the Black Lives Matter riots. So, you know, they're playing very fast and loose here when they claim that crime is down. Maybe in some city it is. It's not the case in Charlotte. Well, I was saying this the other day. Can I respond to Megan? I just think I wouldn't play that game. I think it's irrelevant. Crime, you know, crime in Washington, D.C., yes, it dropped last year. It's the homicide rate in Washington.

is 27 times that of London, it's 60 times that of Switzerland. Two things can be true. Crime is down from it, and it may not be down in Charlotte, but it is down in cities. I don't think conservatives should waste much time contesting that. It's still unacceptable because it's so high in the United States. Trump's effort to try and pay federal attention to crime is not undercut by the fact that crime has been dropping.

He's late to the story. The federal government should have been concerned about this 20 years ago before it reached this point. These crimes, whether they're down or not, it is unacceptable. It is not acceptable for a civilized society to know that every single day, people will be robbed and assaulted in New York City. Business owners will be expropriated. This is like living in the Middle Ages when you don't have security of property.

So I don't care of crime is dropping. it is unacceptable and it is about time that people say we are not going to accept this. Cities can be safe. We know how to do it. You enforce the law. You incarcerate people. And you don't continue giving endless bites of the apple to known criminal offenders. I was just saying the other day, if I weigh 120 pounds and I balloon up to 350 and then I lose 50 pounds, I'm still 300 pounds. I'm overweight. It's unsafe. It's unhealthy. It doesn't make me newly healthy. It doesn't make me newly healthy and there's no problem now that I'm just 300. I have a lot to go in order to get back to anything that resembles a safe existence. And that's really the argument that they're making.

Like, these are 300-pound cities that should be 120, and they're not. I want to end on this. The U.S. Attorney Russ Ferguson, who we played earlier, has been in touch with Irina's family, that poor family, thinking she's one of the lucky ones. She got out of Ukraine. She goes to the United States and the heartland, you know, not like some crazy, like scary city like New York or Chicago, but Charlotte, which is beautiful and they're thinking safe. And he had the following to say about their wishes for her. Sot two. After Arena's death, the embassy in Ukraine called and said, we'll help you bring her home. And her family said no. They said she loved America. We're going to bury her here.

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coverage of this. Let me just give you a flavor. New York Times, okay, they, as of yesterday evening, they did cover the story, but they buried it. They pushed it way down a list of their favorite stories, which included, she became an elite runner by leaving running behind. the restaurant list of 2025. Nepali troops moved to restore order as death toll rises to 22. Nick Fuentes, a white nationalist problem for the right. Apple introduces new slimmer iPhone. He risked everything to leave China. The U.S. sent him back. The Starbucks turnaround that has baristas and customers steamed. This murder did not rank above those stories. Washington Post, they didn't even bother. I was 6 p.m. last night did not have the story posted at all on their homepage.

but they did have an op-ed from Leanna Wenn, how states can protect vaccines from RFK Jr. Oliver Northweds is secretary, why climate change could ramp up our sugar intake, should you drink whole milk or low-fat,

suspected wedding crash is arrested in $60,000 heist. Paula Dean isn't here to convince you. She's not a racist. I'm sensing a pattern here, Mike. I'm sensing a pattern. Yeah, I mean, I was covering, I was following this story a little bit.

Well, I guess quite a lot of the last couple of days. And the main thing, I think the big shift in it was Axios reporting for the first time. And of course, the immediate reporting is like not about the heinous murder on the train, but about, you know, the fact that people are upset about it. And it was a Republicans pouncing kind of story. It was ridiculous. And the media, and it will continue going on this way. But I do think there's been an uprising.

You know, the media is not the media anymore. They're just not, they're not in control anymore. Just ask Kamala Harris, who did not get elected and probably would have if the media had the control they used to. We've got to talk about the Kamala Harris book excerpt that just hit in The Atlantic. You know, she's got this book coming out, 107 days. And that's the name of the book, 107 days, which is the amount of time she ran for president. And the Atlantic has an excerpt of it, which I've really been looking forward to sharing. with you. I'm of two minds because she sounds like such a whiny brat in this thing. Like, my God,

could she find another thing to complain about? It's, she really can't stand Joe Biden's team. That's clear. But on the other hand, they do sound like pricks, and I'm persuaded that they're bad people. I've read this excerpt so you don't have to. Because I do find it interesting just as a window into her and also a window into team Biden. All right, here's, here's, Here's a bit. She's talking first about Biden has stepped down. He's said, okay, Kamala should be the nominee. And you may recall he announced that he was going to be addressing the nation from the Oval Office later that evening. She writes about watching it at her hotel that night. She's already on the campaign trail. She's the presumptive nominee because he's passed her at the baton. She writes, it was a good speech drawing on the history of the presidency to locate his own place within it. But as my staff leader pointed out, it was almost nine minutes into the 11-minute address before. he mentioned me, me. I want to thank our great Vice President Kamala Harris. She's experienced. She's tough. She's capable. She's been an incredible partner to me and leader for our country. And then she comes back in with. And that was it. I am a loyal person. She said she's

pissed. She did not get mentioned earlier. I'm a loyal person. During all those months of growing panic. Should I have told Joe to consider not running? Perhaps. But the American people had chosen him before in the same matchup, meaning against Trump. Maybe he was right to believe that they would do so again. He was, by some measures, the most consistently underestimated man in Washington. He'd been right about his tactics for pushing his agenda through a resistant Congress. It was just possible he was right about this, too. And of all the people in the White House, I was in the worst position to make the case that he should drop out. I knew it would come off to him as incredibly self-serving if I'd advised him not to run, he would see it as naked ambition, perhaps his poisonous

disloyalty, even if my only message was, don't let the other guy win. It's Joe and Jill's decision. We all said that, like a mantra, as if we'd all been hypnotized. Was it grace or was it recklessness? In retrospect, I think it was recklessness. The stakes were simply too high. This wasn't a choice that should have been left to an individual's ego, an individual's ambition. It should have been more than a personal decision. Cackle. No, I just added that. That's not in there. Many people want to spin up a narrative of some big conspiracy at the White House to hide Joe Biden's infirmity. Here's the truth as I lived it, my lived experience, as I lived it. Joe Biden was a smart guy with long experience and deep conviction able to discharge the duties of president. On his

worst day, he was more deeply knowledgeable, more capable of exercising judgment, and far more compassionate than Donald Trump on his best. But at 81, Joe got tired. That's when his age showed in physical and verbal stumbles. I don't think it's any surprise that the debate debacle happened right after two back-to-back trips to Europe and a flight to the West Coast for a Hollywood fundraiser. I don't believe it was incapacity. If I believe that, I would have said so. As loyal as I am to President Biden, I'm more loyal to my country. By the way, 100% this is all written by a speech writer. I mean a ghost writer, zero chance. Kamala Harris has never been quite this articulate in her life. I was well aware of my delicate status.

Lore has it that every outgoing chief of staff, that every outgoing chief of staff always tells the incoming president's chief of staff. Rule number one, watch the VP. She, this is her like, I'm a threat. I'm tough. They had to watch me because I'd gone after him over busing in the 2019 primary debate. I came into the White House with what we lawyers call a rebuttable presumption. I had to prove my loyalty time and time again.

When Fox News attacked me on everything from my laugh to my tone of voice to whom I dated in my 20s or claimed I was a DEI hire, the White House rarely pushed back with my actual resume like they should have been running out there, Mike, saying, she's a lawyer, she's smart, she's really smart. Trust us, she's smart. Two terms elected DA, top cop in the second largest DOJ in the United States, meaning Attorney General of California, where it's just a political greasy poll if you're a Democrat, representing one in eight Americans, meaning again, senator from the same state, California. Lorraine Volz, my chief of staff, constantly had to advocate for my role at events. She's not going to stand there like a potted plan. Give her two minutes of remarks. Have her introduced the president. They had a huge comms team. They had Corrine Jean-Pierre briefing in the press room every day.

But getting anything positive said about my work or any defense against untrue attacks was almost impossible. They had better things to do, you nitwit. They had their hands full defending the infirm, mentally incompetent president. Go ahead, Mike. Well, and let's talk about the resume. I mean, she just glosses over it. She's like, why didn't they talk about your resume? You were the DA of San Francisco for, what, two terms?

I don't think there's much of a resume there. Certainly not something they want to mention out loud in the middle of this crime moment where people are worried about, you know, the endemic crime of San Francisco. And then she was a senator. And it reminds me a lot of what you were talking a lot. in the last segment about the judges and their background. These are like, these are DEI people. And this is the way a DEI person talks about their resume,

not in terms of their accomplishments, but the fact that they got these jobs, they had these titles. And if you could just, like, say these things out loud to people they'll like them or something. And that's not how this works. And can you imagine J.D. Vance being like, why doesn't Caroline Levitt defend me?

Why does you talk about my resume? Like, would you just be a grown-up and either takes the slings and arrows like a grown-up or go out there and give an interview and defend your damn self, you whiny little brat. All right, there's more. This is an example on how they never said anything about the untrue attacks against her.

As an example, in 2021, I was dispatched to the Elysee Palace to help reset our tattered relationship with France after we signed the Australia-UK-U.S. Security Pact. Australia had agreed to buy submarines from France, but scrapped that contract when we and the UK agreed to support. supply Australia with nuclear subs instead. This had caused tremendous friction. So she met with Macron. She warmed the chill by focusing on our many areas of cooperation, such as space exploration. Okay, sure. I mean, this is my thought. Did you? Sure, Jan.

Okay. She says she did. Then she says, blah, blah, blah. I was invited to visit the renowned Pasteur Institute, where my mother had worked as an MRNA researcher. I was speaking informally with a scientist about how I wish politicians would more closely follow the scientific method, testing a hypothesis, and adjusting according to results, rather than coming up with the plan, as if they had all the answers up front. Yes, you're a scientist now, Kamala. I said the plan with exaggerated emphasis and air quotes. Fox News, the New York Post, and Newsmax went wild, claiming I'd faked a French accent. That was total nonsense.

But the White House seemed glad to let reporting about my gaff overwhelmed the significant thought in foreign relations I had achieved. Well, let's play the tape. I haven't, I don't remember that story. Let's see if we think it's a fake accent. With us in government, we campaign with the plan. Uppercase T, uppercase P, the plan. And then the environment is such that we're expected to defend the plan. Even when the first time we roll it out, there may be some glitches and it's time to re-evaluate and then do it again.

I got to say the first one did seem to be a de plan as opposed to the plan. I see why they went with it. I feel, here's the thing. I think that she's a funny person sort of accidentally. But if she just surrounded herself with people who would tease her a bit more, I think she would learn this about herself and she would lean into it. Like she is Veepe. This is, this is who this person is. There she is. And she is this like buffoonish, clownish character who should not be there. She even said, I remember during the election it might have been. She talked about

this dream of hers that she had, not of being president, but of opening a restaurant in Napa Valley that would just serve like one dish a day. And I remember thinking, I would, I'll go. I'll go to that restaurant. I think that you should do this. Like, you should do other things. She seems like a fun person. I just, I wish that she would maybe see in herself what I see in her. It's so true. She could be like a fun restaurant owner. I would eat the dish. I just don't want her with the nuclear codes. It's all. It's fine. You know, I certainly don't want her making any decisions about policing. Okay. Worse, I often learned that the president's staff was adding fuel to negative narratives that sprang up around me. One narrative that took a stubborn hold was that I

had a chaotic office, an unusually high staff turnover during my first year. Now, I'm just going to say it is, it is shitty when you realize that people who are supposed to be on your team are leaking or pushing negative stories about you to the press. I didn't say anything whatsoever about NBC. I wouldn't do that. That's, that's not something I would ever do. But I just know from random past experiences I choose not to name that when your own colleagues go out there and do that to you, it does make them shit people and makes you feel bad. So I have some empathy for her here, and I have no trouble believing that the Joe Biden team was shitty. She writes, this isn't nice because the White House is a revolving door of people. It's not really for everybody. So no wonder

there was turnover. She says the first year in any White House sees staff churn, working for the first woman vice president, my staff had the additional challenge of confronting gendered stereotypes, a constant battle that could prove exhausting, Mike. See, no matter how that you think you had it or Joe Biden had it under the douchebags of the Obama presidency, she had it worse because, insert cue here, black woman. Yeah, but that she also wants to not be known as the DEI hire, right? She's like, don't you dare talk about my identity, but my identity is core to everything that I experience. I've had so many more challenges. Poor me. And When the stories were unfair or inaccurate, the president's inner circle seemed fine with it.

Indeed, it seemed as if they decided, I should be knocked down a little more. Well, maybe that's what you signed onto after agreeing to be the VP for someone you said publicly was a racist. Maybe there were some scores to settle, right? I mean, like, it seemed worth it to you at the time. Yeah, that is funny. You always do have to go back to that debate where he was like, it was like, like Kamala said this man is a racist and he said she's a cop and it's like probably neither of them were either of those things but how could they ever work together after that?

Yeah, no, exactly. Of course. And she didn't care. She couldn't care less that there was bad blood. She wanted to be the first female black VP, whatever she is. Okay. So here, this is her trying to make the point that it seemed sometimes like they decided I should be knocked down a little more next sentence.

The VP should take on. irregular migration. From March 2021, my assignment was to attack the root causes of the misery that was driving people from their homes. Then we get two pages on how she wasn't the borders are, and no one from the comms team helped her to effectively push back and explain what she'd really been tasked to do, nor to highlight any of the progress I had achieved. Then she goes on, I had numerous bilateral meetings, I had multiple calls, I met with activist groups. Good God, the border was a sieve in record numbers. They were flooding us. And she's wondering why she wasn't given more credit for her meetings and her phone calls, Mike. Yeah, she should have been thanking them.

Like, thank you so much for not mentioning this, like, historically bad job that I'm doing. She did. Now, I actually read this. I would only have read this for you. But I did read this before this discussion. And I was interested in her approach to the border, which is like, people wouldn't come here if things were better, you know, they were investing in these local communities or whatever. That's like conceptually interesting, though she takes credit for something that clearly didn't work. It just practically doesn't work at all because there are 650 million people south of the border and you can't fix all of South America in an attempt to keep them coming to America, to the United States. And I wish that we would have that discussion

publicly because like if that was the White House's strategy to keeping immigrants out, that's extremely bad and we should have a national conversation on that. That's exactly right. She talks all about how like she was really working to create opportunities in places like Guatemala to reduce their urge to leave Guatemala. But I mean, it's like, okay, you know, I took out my little butter knife and I chipped away at that edge of the Titanic iceberg and I whittled it down, you know, by a good inch I shaved off that thing.

Okay, madam, but the ship hit the berg. And thousands of people died. So, you know, you could forgive the White House press office for not touting her big achievements. So she's really a victim because she basically solved immigration and they wouldn't talk about it. I wanted to get the good news out. But White House staff stalled. Not yet. We need more data.

The story would remain untold. It's amazing. They're trying to gently tell her. You've done nothing. These are teaspoons in the ocean, madam. And she's like, I'm a winner. Tell the world. Well, because she's, it's so, I do think it's important, though, because that's the reaction

she's used to. I mean, you got to, why was she selected to run for the vice president? She's what? She was the senator from California? Was Joe really, like, in danger of losing California? He was clearly in danger of losing the presidency, but not California. Like, she was selected for two very obvious reasons. And it wasn't that she was going to be helping with the immigration crisis.

No, no. So she thinks she's scoring points. The White House staff is like, oh, my God, she wants us to talk about her successes in immigration. It's the no. And she's still delusional because she's writing in her book about how like, they didn't listen to me. I told that their story remained untold. I'm breaking it right here. She's basically saying. Instead, I shouldered the blame for the poorest border. Okay, that's a fair point. She didn't cause the poorest border. The guy at the top. was in charge. And yeah, he did shoulder ultimately the blame because he lost. Anyway, she writes, no one around the president advocated, give her something she can win with. Now, that's interesting. And I'll bet you that that's true. Like, they actually didn't look out for her in that way because they don't give a shit

about her. She's the VP. They work for the other guy. Just because she's the VP doesn't mean they're friends or like each other at all, at all. So then she writes, then the dog. his decision came down. Abortion. I love abortion. She's like, this is my issue. Abortion and race. These are my two favorites. Yes. So she writes, here was a huge issue on which the president was not seeking to lead. Joe struggled to talk about reproductive rights in a way that

met the gravity of the moment. He ceded that leadership to me. Okay? Here we go. Me! Yeah, he seeded it to me. I initiated a national tour. I rallied the outrage in red states and blue stakes alight. And she goes on about all the stuff she did. And she continues,

Joe was already polling badly on the age issue, with roughly 75% of voters saying he was too old to be an effective president. Then he started taking on water for his perceived blank check to Netanyahu in Gaza, when polls indicated that I was getting more popular, the people around him didn't like the contrast that was emerging. When did that happen? I have no recollection of her ever being popular. What is she talking about? She wasn't. I don't know. It's like her team fed her a bunch of bullshit. It's made it now into her book. She says, okay, in Selma, Alabama, at the commemoration of bloody Sunday when civil rights marchers were attacked and beaten once they crossed

the Edmund Pettus Bridge. I gave a strong speech on the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. And she goes on to give the examples of what she said. It was a speech that had been vetted and approved by the White House and the National Security Council. It went viral and the West Wing was displeased. I was castigated for apparently delivering it too well. This review, I should have had this cut from, oh, what's the name of the movie? Oh, my God, it'll come to me with Henry Winkler and Michael Keaton. They ban me. They banned me for being too good a player. That's why he said. I got to Vegas. They banned me because I was too good a player. That's her. I was castigated. What was it? Night shift. Yes, night shift. It was night shift. Thank you for my, my retro movie

lovers. Yeah, I was castigated for being too good, delivering it too well. Okay, I'd love to see the evidence of that. Okay, here's the last paragraph. Their thinking was zero-sum. If she's shining, he's dimmed. None of them grasped that if I did well, he did well, that given the concerns about his age, my visible success as his vice president was vital. It would serve as a testament to his judgment in choosing me and reassurance that if something happened, the country was in good hands. My success was important for him. His team didn't get it. The end of the excerpt. Mike, this is unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, neither of them succeeded, to be clear. Like, that is proven out. They both had an opportunity. They both failed. They failed together.

They failed apart. They never stopped failing even. I guess there was that brief, there was like that two-week period when we were doing Brat summer. And it's, like, maybe felt like Kamala was not failing, but, like, in hindsight, she was failing. Like, it truly never ended. And, um, I don't know. I guess, I think it's, it was interesting that the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic at the top of the excerpt that they ran, um, indicated that he was surprised by her being somehow less buffoonish or something in this. And, um, more candid. Yeah, I didn't, there's only, I'm not going to give her any credit for being candid. These are things that we kind of already know and we could tell while watching everything go down,

the only thing I want her to be candid about is to the question of who was running our country for the last four years. Like we still, I would love to know that for sure. And she was there. Where is it? Like, where is? If this is the tell all book, like, tell me who was the president? I would like to know that. And until she's willing to do that, then I, as much as I want to go to the restaurant, I can't give her too much credit. It's amazing how she's still, riddled in grievance, you know, it's very, I definitely getting some Megan Markle vibes here, you know, like, poor me. I will, yes, but also it's still not as bad as Hillary's book.

What was that, what happened? And I mean, I feel like the, the misery that followed that loss was, was so enormous that in the context of that, it's not, I don't think it's quite as bad yet. Yeah, yeah, but it's funny to me that, like, she's really taking aim at, Joe Biden and his staff, his staff in particular, whereas, like, where was that attitude when you needed it? Where was that on Colbert and on the view? When you were asked, what would you do differently?

And she's like, oh, nothing. And there's no distance between me and Joe Biden. Like, this can do nothing for you. Now you can sell a couple books, but you're actually not getting paid out on that. You're getting paid by your advanced anyway. Advanced. So what good does this do you now? It'll be interesting to see if she even says in the book what she would do differently, because

even on the campaign trail. she didn't remember she had no there were there were no policy positions on her website i tried to write about it i was genuinely curious like what does this woman think or care about or want to do and it was really hard to do that and so now she has a book presumably she'll say something um i am curious i haven't seen anything yet so it'll be nice to see if anything comes out of it my number one takeaway on this is i i miss her yeah yeah she added something special to the mix for sure and i think you just You can't. That coconut stuff, the coconut thing, I mean, you don't follow a coconut.

Did you follow out of that coconut tree? You can't say what she did was effective, but you can, I think what you can give her is that no one else was doing it. Okay. We got to get to Morning Joe discussing this excerpt. This was something to behold, their whole team sitting around their round desk talking about this excerpt. Keep in mind when you watch this clip and all the audience knows this, but just as a reminder, everybody on there, but especially Joe and Mika, totally complicit in the Biden mental frailty cover up. I mean, 100% complicit. And they're also team Biden. They're not team Kamala.

They resisted her and the switcheroo harder than anyone. Remember, Mika did her, you know, she gave the, like, the defense for Joe Biden's performance at that debate. Like, he traveled. She had the number of hours he traveled and, like, the number of stops. they made, and she'd clearly been in touch with the White House to come up with the perfect defense on why it wasn't what we thought it was, and then Scarborough was like, no, he's brilliant, blah, blah, okay, that's

what you're about to keep in your mind as you watch them trying to run cover in response to that excerpt, here it is. That is from Kamala Harris's new book. Yeah. I'm just to say, so will he or

whoever, who wants to take the jump ball here? Rev, I'll go to you. So you know politics. I mean, you've run for president. A couple of things here. I can understand everybody ringing their hands saying, why didn't we step in?

Why didn't we intervene? I can understand the vice president, Vice President Harris doing that. But people that know Joe Biden and Jill Biden, no, speaking of jump balls, nobody was going to take that ball from their hands. They were determined. Early on, she did herself no favors.

I mean, she had a terrible time with her staff the first year or two. It was the White House was having to do triage on her staffing problems, everybody leaving. I will say, when I saw him, he was slow. He was, you know, plotting. He was his neck was stiff. Everything was really stiff. And he were like, eh, walks around slowly. But when he sat down, may have spoken more quietly and more haltingly,

But, man, I never once saw him where he blinked out. Never saw him where he blinked out. Really? Now, I'm really struggling to remember how Joe Scarborough talked about Joe Biden at the time. A little birdie in my mind is reminding me, it didn't sound anything like that whatsoever. Yeah, I mean, the man has dementia. Kamala in the piece did a lot of what he did there, too.

She's like, you know, when we would speak, he would be slower, but yeah, he's old, but he wasn't, he wasn't, it wasn't the debate that we all watched. And I don't know, there's still a lot of dishonesty happening here. The, the level of discomfort, if you watch the full clip, is so palpable. You could hear him stuttering at the beginning of the clip, right? And like, no one wants to take it because they all are like, oh my God, what, what do I say? Right. It's like, there's a fight between mom and dad for these two. We don't know whose side to take because while dad is our favorite, he bailed. He left the home. He left us with just mom. And mom turned out to be a ridiculous person.

So I don't really want to hit her. But she's attacking dad. So I kind of feel like I have to. You can see the conflict of the so-called journalist on set. Yeah, they don't know who side to take because they don't know who's going to be in power in a few years. They don't know who's going to be running for president and which staffers are going to be where. And they have no sense of identity anymore. They don't stand for anything. And they haven't gotten those new marching orders. They don't know what they're supposed to do yet. And they were part of it. lost. You know, I mean, Joe Scarborough was the best Biden ever. Start your tape right now,

the best Biden ever. And now he's got to be out there like, oh, well, he was slow. He was halting. Well, Joe, that doesn't sound like best Biden ever. That doesn't sound like best Biden at all. Why did you say that? They've never, ever taken responsibility for their complicity in the lie that was told, nor has Kamala. You know, she calls it the chapter, what's the name of it, again, the constant battle. I mean, I would suggest the constant battle was for her to not tell the world that we didn't really have a president, that it was president, Autopen. And she was probably bitter, too, that she wasn't president. Because if he had told the truth or anyone in the cabinet had come forward, there would have been a movement to 25th Amendment him, and she would

have taken over. Yep. And then she would have had a better shot at winning the presidency, because that just seems to be how these things go, right? You have the incumbent advantage, at least if it happened early enough. And, but that was her move. And she didn't take it because she's not, she's not like an active player in her own life, it seems. She's just been placed in these, in these positions. Yeah, she's used to just being, just being elevated.

Here's the sot. He might misplace a word here and there. But you talk to him for hours at a time. Is he slower? Does he move slower? Yeah, he's moved slower. Is he stiffer? Yeah, he moves stiffer.

to have trouble walking sometimes. Yeah, so did FDR. I've said it for years now. He's cogent. But I undersold him when I said he was cogent. He's far beyond cogent. In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been. Start your tape right now because I'm about to tell you the truth.

And F you, if you can't handle the truth. This version of Biden, intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever. Not a close second. And I've known him for years. The Brasinski's have known him for 50 years. If it weren't the truth, I wouldn't say it. Okay.

That was three months before the debate debacle. And now he, well, you know, he was slow. He was halting. He was, where was that? Very different message coming from Scarborough. Three months before that debate. Comparing him to FDR is crazy, first of all. That's like a crazy thing to say.

say out loud ever in any context, let alone this, you know, election when clearly this guy has dementia. But the big takeaway there for me was the Brazinski's have known him for 50 years. So we know what's happening here. You know this person. You're very close to this person. And now you're lying for him. And you still are. Yeah. He's your grandpa and you're rooting for him. And you won't just make that clear. By the way, Kamala Harris sounded very different in her write-up in the constant battle excerpt from her book, 107 days than she did after that debate. And here she calls it a debacle. Let's take a listen to what she said, I think, to Anderson Cooper right after the debate. One said it was a disaster, another called it a train wreck. Those are Democrats.

Listen, people can debate on style points, but ultimately this election and who is the president of the United States has to be about substance. He was a very different person on the stage four years ago when you debated him. You must, I mean, that's certainly true. Is it not? Anderson, the point has to be performance in terms of what a president does. I got the point that you're making about a one-and-a-half-hour debate tonight. You can't honestly say, I mean, can you say that you are not concerned at all having watched the president's performance tonight? It was a slow start. That's obvious to everyone. I'm not going to debate that point. A slow start. That's all. It's a slow start. It's amazing to watch the politicians.

The lying liars lie, also known as our one-time vice president. Well, this was still like the Game of Thrones moment, though, where it was her, it was Pete Buttigieg, it was Gavin Newsom being asked relentless questions about like, are you going to step in here? Are you going to be running here? And so I think there she was maybe trying to play it nice, you know, not offend anybody.

She has to look like she's supporting this guy. But my read of her, I mean, it seemed like she was by body language, kind of all but admitting, oh, yeah, there's a problem here. You know, it's time for someone else to come in. I mean, that's my read of that. I think she's trying to have it both ways there. Okay, while we're on the subject of morning, Joe, I've got to show you this soundbite between Mika Brzeinski and Tom Homan,

our border czar, our actual border czar, who's actually deporting illegals as we speak. He actually, to his credit, went on MSNBC with that crew, MSN, no. And here's how that went. It's hot then. I'd love some transparency as to why a lot of these people have been disappeared. You say you have data, we would love to see it. Well, here's the rhetoric again, right?

You just met disappeared. That was a ridiculous thing to say. Why? Because ISIS is doing the same thing we've done for decades. But because of the last four years, ICE wasn't allowed to enforce a law. If you don't like ISIS doing, they go protest Congress. However, to say we disappeared people, no, we're arresting. people that are in the country legally and in our public safety threat. We know exactly who

we're going to arrest when we go to look for them. We have a case file in front of us. We have all those facts. This is not disappearing people. This is this is a plan. Thomas like you just made is one of the reasons why these men and women are under a threat every day. And you use the term disappearing people. Well, that's what's happened. That happened to the group that was It's ridiculous. People, I mean, I can't have to tell you that's what happened. U.S. citizens get arrested every day. U.S. citizens get arrested by police every day.

Are they being disappeared? No, their laws are being enforced. They're being arrested. They're being put in detention because they committed a criminal offense. Not like what you're doing. That's right. We're enforcing the law. Amazing, right.

Credit to him for going on. And really, the only example she had was the prison in, El Salvador, where we know exactly who those people are. All of them had orders to be removed, and they were. Yeah, it's always, you guys are breaking, you know, you're violating whatever rights, you're violating the law, and then it's very thin on the description of what those are and what these cases are. And I guess in the case of Abrago, the, I'm sorry, the Maryland father. Kilmar Abrago Garcia. Yeah. Yes. So with him, it seems like the law was a bid. And he came back, and now he's being deported again or whatever that is.

And I just don't know what these guys want other than open borders. And that's terrifying to me, to be honest. The fact that that has been so normalized over the course of these last couple of years, that makes me really nervous about whatever the next administration is going to be. Like, once Trump is out of here, I don't know, like, what the next thing is. It's not going to be anywhere near as transparent as these guys who make themselves available to everyone. I mean, it's amazing how much access you can have, not just to the cabinet, but

to Trump himself. Yeah, that Mika Brzynski was outmatched. Tom Homan can take on anyone, and there's no one who knows this stuff better than he does. So it was a delight to watch. I hope he goes on more often. I mean, you started with, oh, go ahead. Yeah, I was just going to say, Mike,

our segment wasn't as long as I would have liked it to be because we had this news out of Charlotte, which is just so big. But please come back soon, okay, so that we can do a properly long segment. I would love to. Thank you for having me. Love having you anytime. Mike Solana, he's editor-in-chief of Pirate Wires. Check it out. They did write about the Charlotte situation in poor Irina, unlike the vast majority of the mainstream. Thank you all for listening, and we're back tomorrow. We'll see you then.

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