The Megyn Kelly Show - Rep. Dan Crenshaw on Election Challenges, Twitter Fights and Victimhood | Ep. 35

Episode Date: December 9, 2020

Megyn Kelly is joined by Rep Dan Crenshaw to discuss all the latest Trump campaign election challenges and "grifters" on the left and right, the problems with mail-in voting, the future of the GOP and the Democratic party, Twitter fights with AOC and Michelle Malkin, victimhood, what he learned from his time in the Navy SEALs, what he learned from his Mom and more.Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:Twitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShowFind out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today on the program, we've got Dan Crenshaw, congressman from Houston, Texas, who is a rising star in the Republican Party. How long does somebody have to be a rising star before you can just call them a star? I think he's there. He's a star in the Republican Party. Some have referred to him as the future of the GOP. He is a Navy SEAL who served our country honorably with five tours of duty, including Purple Hearts and all sorts of awards to recognize the service

and sacrifice he made over there. He is a sixth generation Texan, a sixth, I say. And that's why he makes sense, as most people from Texas do. Not all, but most. That's been my experience. Midwesterners, Texans, people like me from upstate New York tend to make sense. That's been my impression, Democrat or Republican for that matter. So we will get to Dan Crenshaw in a moment. And I will ask him about some of his wars with, among others, AOC. She likes to sort of try to pick at him. And then he's kind of always smacking her down and not letting her play the victim. And it's kind of fun to watch. So we'll talk about that, how Trump's doing, his latest electoral challenge that Trump just filed, what does Dan think about it, and all the rest of it. We'll get to that in one second. But first,

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Hey, thanks for having me, Megan. All right, let's start with who's going to be the next president, because Trump is still saying it's him. And I've been skeptical of his legal filings thus far and, you know, open minded, but skeptical of having read most of them, but not all the exhibits and so on. But I will tell you, he has just filed something in Georgia that I actually think is pretty decent, but also pretty late in the game. So I just want to get the listeners up to speed. This is alleging not the massive Sidney Powell, Lin Wood voter fraud

with these Dominion voter machines. It's talking about smaller ball issues that they say resulted in all sorts of tens of thousands of ballots being messed with and ineligible for the count. And the one I want to zero in on with you is they're angry in Georgia about the signatures not being compared. The signature that you fill out when you register to vote is supposed to be compared to the signature on your absentee ballot application and your absentee ballot envelope. The vote itself doesn't have your signature, your name, because it's anonymous. It's secret. But anyway, the Trump camp says there needed to be a very careful comparison of the signatures on the registration files versus those in the ballot applications, the ballot envelopes. You didn't do it. And we should have

had an audit, but they didn't order it. And that was wrong. And now we need to have the vote essentially thrown out. They want to redo. And let me just tell you exactly what they're alleging. Now, if its figures are correct, and I don't know if the complaints figures are correct, but if the figures cited therein are correct, this is what they're saying. And by the way, kudos000 ballots because the signatures didn't match up, which is 2.9% of all ballots. In 2018, they disallowed, call it 7,900 ballots, which is 3.46% of all ballots. You know, they found some funny business in the signatures. In 2020, Georgia disallowed 4,471 ballots, which is 0.34% of all ballots received. In other words, the number of mail-in ballots, which 1.3 million, was five times in 2020 what it was in 2016 and four times what it was in 2018. And yet the number of ballots disallowed fell. It was below what they disallowed in 16 and 18. And what the Trump campaign is alleging is they phoned it in. They didn't do what they

needed to do to make sure that the ballots lined up and that somebody wasn't sending in a vote that shouldn't have been cast. And that if you just, if you just were to apply the same rejection rates that were in 16 or 18, it would disqualify between 38,000 and 45,000 ballots. And even Andy points out, even if you assume a rejection rate of just 2%, right, not 0.034, like we've had this year, that would amount to just, that would amount to 26,000 ballots that would have been rejected. Now Biden won absentee ballots by a two to one rate. So now we're down to now we're talking brass tacks because he only won the state by less just just under 12,000. So this on the basis of all this,

Trump is asking the court to prevent certification of the vote, even though it's been done. They want the court to enjoin the state from appointing electors to the electoral college. And they're basically saying order a new presidential election, which they know cannot be done. That can't be done prior to a week from today, which really means disenfranchisement is the only option. And this is essentially a plea to have electors chosen in a different way. They want the state legislature essentially to decide something other than what the voters of Georgia, you know, believe they decided. So that's a that's the latest coming out of Georgia. I think it's the best challenge they filed yet, if they can prove it. But they're kind of out of time.

So you've been taking a look at some of this stuff down in Georgia, some of these claims. What's your reaction to that? Yeah. You know, when I was down there, this was what everybody was talking about. Audit the signatures, audit the signatures. And, um, but the other frustration that everyone had down there was why didn't they do this earlier? This could, because it is a task that, that could, that could be done. Um, but it's obviously much more difficult to do it the later, the later and later you wait. Um, it, it, it starts to appear almost frivolous, even though it's, it's serious. Um, and then they're asking for the fix to be to just throw out the votes. I think that'll be a hard sale, a hard sell, um, that the fix should be an actual audit. Um, and, uh, you know, again, I don't see why not. I've, I've i've always said that when so many people don't believe the outcome of an election um it doesn't matter whether their their their reasoning is

grounded in reality or not they just don't believe it and that's really harmful to a democracy and i don't think we should we should we should treat them poorly when they just want to be proven they want their election proven to them why not not help them with that? Why not actually do that? Why not audit it? But also, why not have brought that up weeks ago? We wasted so much time in so many of these court cases. And why that is, I don't really know. Yeah, they're arguing about that now because the head of the Georgia GOP, this guy David Schaefer, he's the one who filed the lawsuit along with Trump. He says that the secretary of state, Raffensperger, broke his promise to issue a bulletin allowing the Georgia Republicans to observe absentee ballot signature verification. And Raffensperger responded,

the signature verification process was public and you could have observed it any time. You didn't have your act together and you missed it. It's not my fault. There's been a lot of back and forth like that, where the Secretary of State has said, look, we've made mass improvements on how to verify these signatures. That's why we don't want to do an audit. I remove myself from the details of that. I'm not following it closely enough to really know what the truth is. But the truth needs to get out. I would say something about the rejection rates that keep getting mentioned.

A far smaller rejection rate now than before. Yeah, I'd like to see an explanation for that. Maybe there is. Maybe the actual process got tightened up over the last couple of years. I don't know. I want to hear an explanation for that. Perhaps there is one. But I want to make a broader point. And it is this, the fact that there even is a rejection rate should terrify us. This is why when we take a 30,000 foot view on what to do about our elections and the integrity of our elections, we have to severely limit mail-in

ballots. We just have to. They should be designated for people who cannot be there to vote in person, military members being an obvious example, or you're too old to make it to the polls or too disabled to make it to the polls. There has to be some exceptions, I think. But for the most part, as Bill Barr said months ago, we were playing with fire by massively expanding our mail-in ballot system. The fact that there is any rejection rate should give us pause. There's only one of two reasons that there can be a rejection rate. The election official sees that signatures don't match, but it really is a valid ballot, a valid person, a legal person, and they still reject the ballot because that person screwed up their own signature or filled it out wrong. So you just rejected a real person trying to vote who was a citizen and then lives in that state. And the second reason,

the election official did the right thing because those signatures don't match, let's say. And that person was trying to commit fraud. So you have two possible reasons why a ballot is rejected. Why would we even want to risk this? Why do we even accept a system where any percentage of ballots are so often rejected? This is a problem, especially in such tight races when, you know, in many of these swing states, we're deciding elections by such few votes. I just can't believe that we even want this system. So we do have to take a step back and think to ourselves, how do we want to have our elections go moving forward? And how do we want to make sure that we don't even have these discussions about what could have happened? The thing is, when a process is so loose and so unverifiable,

like a lot of these processes are, it becomes pretty easy to make allegations that could be true and create chaos effectively. And that's not the people's fault for questioning it. That's not their fault. See, that's where the left gets this one wrong. They say, oh, just sit down and shut up. There's nothing to see here. Well, I'm sorry, but if the process is so loose, that's the actual problem. That's the problem. And you got to have an airtight process. Well, and people don't trust them because they've made clear not only did they want Trump to lose, they hate him, hate. And they spent four years trying to take him out in other ways. So I think there's a healthy dose of distrust on the Republican

side when it comes to these claims that we would never. And I realize that Georgia is run by Republicans. You know, this is a Republican secretary of state and a Republican governor. But that doesn't mean that every but everyone touching ballots was a Republican. They weren't. And that's why, you know, even the governor said we should have an audit of the signature matches. And the secretary of state is saying no.

So it's kind of getting a little civil worry inside the Republican Party. And I want to ask you about that piece of it, because I saw you swept up in that just a little. Because Lin Wood and Sidney Powell have been down there. They're handling the other lean of challenges, saying Dominion voting machines are corrupt and were manipulated on election night, somehow controlled by Joe Biden to flip votes from Trump to him. We have yet to see the proof of that. No one has seen a proof of that. And they had a rally the other night where Lin Wood got up and said, don't vote. Don't vote in the Senate runoffs. Why would you? You know, you shouldn't.

You can't trust these machines and and basically ripping on the party. And you called him a grifter saying he just wants your donations for his legal fees. Then Michelle Malkin attacked you as a globalist John McCain with an eye patch, which I'm not sure what you think of that. But why do you think Linwood is a grifter? He says he's just ticked off at a crappy vote. Yeah, well, I mean, I think he is trying to make money off of this whole thing. I think that's clear. I think that those two have done an immense amount of damage to the president's case because they distract from the real issues. Right. We just talked about an issue that's actually worth looking into, say, auditing the signatures.

Let's just make sure let's audit at least just a sample of them. Let's see how many turned out not to be not to not to be correct. I mean, that makes a lot of sense, right? But then they start talking about servers in Germany and Venezuelan conspiracy theories. And it gives the rest of the public and on the left and the left-wing media all the reasoning they need in the world to just dismiss everything all at once. They've done an immense amount of damage to the president's case. I would also note that Lynn Wood has a long history of being a Democrat and a lawyer. In Democrat policies, when Democrats are in power, it's very good for lawyers. So I don't know. I start to put all of these things together and I start to wonder, do you really have the interest of Trump supporters at hand here? I don't think you do.

And I continue to believe that. Putting all that aside, so I'm imputing his motivations a little bit, sure. But putting that aside, let's say his motivations are pure. It's still a really bad idea not to vote. The best way to reward the socialists and the left-wing media that tells you to sit down and shut up is to not vote. If you think that quitting is equal to winning, I don't know. I don't know where you come down on that. It's not. Quitting is losing. And I don't think we want to lose. And everything is on the line here. It's pretty rare that we have an election like we do in Georgia, where so much is at stake in a single election in a single state. It's pretty historic. That's why I was down there. That's why I'll continue to go down there and advocate for this. Your rights are under threat. We know exactly what the Democrats want to do.

I've seen it get passed out of the House here for the last two years. So-called moderate Democrats and far-left radicals, they all vote on the same things. And I know exactly what's coming down the pipe. They gain control of the entire Congress. So people know they need to vote. And that is the vibe, by the way, that I got when I was on the ground in Georgia.

I am optimistic. I'm becoming a little more optimistic that this whole conspiracy theory about don't go vote, that movement is basically a Twitter movement and perpetuated by opportunist and another grifter, Michelle Malkin. You have to understand something about somebody like Michelle. She was formerly a fairly normal conservative. I don't know what happened to her over the years. She did get situated with some other groups. They call themselves the Groypers. They're deeply racist, anti-Semitic groups. They sort of cloak themselves in MAGA terminology. They wear Make America Great Again hats. They say they're they're America first pro Trump.

But then they they only they're obsessive about things like America's support for Israel. And they're very anti Israel. So this is what Michelle Malkin has sort of become over time. You have to realize that she's she's not what you think she is. You have to also realize something else about people like her. She wants to lose. And why would she want to lose? Why would she want the conservative side to lose? Because when you lose, you're angry, right? When you lose, you're under attack. And then you look and you're in,

when you're mad. And so you look for the angriest voices on social media, and she's one of those. So this really is a money-making scheme for her. Um, they, They do not have any interest in winning because her power is derived from extra clicks and extra content and making you think that she's the purest of the pure. Like she's the one who really understands you. And they'll tell you that, right? And you hear this kind of language oftentimes. I'm the only one you can trust.

It's very manipulative. And I think it's worth exposing people like her. They have no interest in you winning. They have no interest in you getting what you actually want. a lawyer. I mean, he not only did he represent the Covington kid, Nick Sandman successfully from what we read, but, you know, going back to Richard Jewell, Duke Lacrosse and so on, he's this guy's had a pretty successful history as a lawyer, which is why it is odd to see him standing up there making some of these arguments. And he does say, even though Breitbart and the Trump campaign actually tweeted out that he has this voting history going for Dems, he was like, yeah, but I voted for Donald Trump and I'm a Trump supporter. And, you know, I mean what I say. Malkin, you know, she throws punches and she can receive them too. Well, but he voted only in the Democrat primaries in the presidential

election. We don't know who he voted for in the general election. I would just I would just I would just say that. And not to take away, he obviously does have some pretty great legal wins. So I'll give him that. But anyway, go ahead. Yeah, well, it doesn't look like this is going to be one of them. I mean, the Dominion voting argument is not going anywhere. That one's dying on the vine and quickly in every single court in which has been filed. Malkin, you know, she's I feel like she's been attacked so much. She found a posse of folks around her that are really controversial. And I could see her loathe to denounce them because, you know, I think as a Republican, you're constantly getting asked to denounce this one or denounce that one.

And sometimes you really do need to denounce, you know, like sometimes it's not all a media creation, but I could sort of see her getting backed into this corner where she just refused to do it. And then a lot of the Republicans disassociated with her. And now she's out there with her swords, just fighting, fighting battle after battle. She's got a show on Newsmax and, um, you know, she gets, she gets her say. So I wanted to give you the chance to respond because it's, it's not nice to call you that, that, that phrase. I know you've heard, you've been called worse. Uh, let me shift gears. Nobody came after Michelle. I never came after Michelle. You know, she, she starts her own

fights. You know, there's, there's no excusing her behavior and the, and the cliff that she's fallen off of. Um, it's, it's, it's concerning. Um, like there's, there's something, there's something deeply wrong there, I think. Um, and so I, I don't know, I don't know if that's a defense or not, but yeah, we can move on. So what do you think, what, what's going to happen, uh, in Georgia? I mean, do you think this certification will stand and what do you think is going to happen with the, with the presidential race overall? Cause now we're, we're one week away, we're in the safe harbor period now, which means the states are not supposed to change their

their certifications after the close of business on Tuesday. They can, it's not like a federal law that they can't, but what do you think is going to happen? It's an uphill battle for the president's campaign. It does seem like we're on we're on to, it's on track to be certified as is. statements of people saying they see things that indicate bad behavior, poor processes, like I talked about before. You know, is that enough to overturn the election? It doesn't seem like that case is strong right now, but we will see when it's certified and when the Electoral College meets. More with Dan Crenshaw in just one minute. But we will see when it's certified and when the Electoral College meets. More with Dan Crenshaw in just one minute. But first, let's talk about blinds galore.

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at blindsgalore.com. That's blindsgalore.com. So what happens with the angry Trump voters when we presume that goes forward, right? When it gets certified, Joe Biden is officially declared the winner. What happens with these really angry Trump voters? Well, I'm not sure what happens necessarily. We can't ignore people's frustrations, which is why I say we have to shift the conversation towards we need to fix our systems. This is why I'm so concerned with this in particular. Four out of five Americans believe we should have voter ID laws. Four out of five. We should also have the ability for our registration systems to talk to each other, ascertain whether somebody is double registered somewhere or is not a citizen of this country. We should be severely limiting

unreliable mail-in ballots for the reasons I stated earlier. I would give out another number, 550,000 ballots were rejected in just the 2020 presidential primaries. That's enormous amounts of ballots. Why are we using this system? And again, there's only two reasons that could be. The election official did the right thing. The election official did the wrong thing. Either way, it's a bad system.

550,000 mail-in ballots. And to say that there's... The left likes to breeze over this issue and say, well, there's no widespread systemic election fraud. Okay, well now define widespread, because we can go example after example of actual election fraud. Social worker was charged with 134 counts of election fraud on November 6th in Texas. There's a Michigan man facing felony charges for voter fraud. That's here. That's just this last month in November. In Georgia, they're investigating groups that are encouraging voter fraud, trying to get out of state individuals to vote. even once or twice, even if it doesn't change the outcome of an election, it creates distrust in the system, which is a threat to democracy in and of itself. So these voters' concerns have to be addressed. And the Republican Party has to, I think, be leaders on this, right? And we have to walk that line, I think, of addressing their concerns without giving in

to some of the more extreme statements. Well, you know, what we're seeing, too, I've been noticing in this past month where Trump's been filing these legal challenges is we don't know how widespread the voter fraud is. He's been kicking the tires and some mud has been falling off. And if he had the chance, you know, the way these things work out, there's a very short amount of time from the vote to the inauguration. Whereas in a normal litigation, this kind of thing would go on for a year or more where you'd have the chance to ferret out your claim to do discovery. There's no such opportunity and probably for good reason

because we don't want to live in limbo like that forever. But, you know, he is finding some some numbers that are disturbing. And so I am more skeptical than ever of, you know, these Democrats in the media, MSNBC anchors are constantly like, oh, these crazy Republicans who are constantly mentioning voter fraud. There's never been any proof of widespread voter fraud. It's like, well, you know what? It's almost impossible to get it done in the time that's allotted by law. But Trump's all on assault here has given me concern. I mean, has it given you concern? Yeah, well, but I've had this concern for a long time. This is, you know, for those of us who spend time looking at this, this is nothing new. I've long, I've long said that our that our process is not good. In some states, it's not good. If we all copied the

process of Florida, Texas, where we know the outcome of the election and people seem to be pretty happy with it, on election night, we would be in a much better place. So it's not like we don't have models to look to and to learn from and just make this right. So it doesn't surprise me that when you start to peel back the onion a little bit, you're going to find things. And the left is so disingenuous about this because it's like, well, you could argue that there's no illicit goods trafficked into the United States if you just never check the cargo, right? You can be like, well, there's nothing. There's no evidence of it. It's like, well, you didn't check. You actually have to open up the trunk or check the cargo container. If you don't actually look at anything and there's no process to do that and no process

of verification, then I suppose you could always claim that everything's just fine and just dandy. But of course, this is too important to just to just to just leave it be. Our processes have to be better. So the GOP is having a little bit of, you know, this internal, not war, I think that's too strong. But there's definitely some factions within the party, the more MAGA, devotee party piece of the party, and then the more sort of general Republicans. But the so is the Democratic Party. And you've got the AOC wing of the party and then the more sort of general Republicans. But so is the Democratic Party. And you've got the AOC wing of the party versus the more moderate. We're told that's more the Biden wing of the party. And I know you've had some dust ups with her, including on Twitter

just in the past couple of days where she likes to play the victim a lot, a lot. And you're actually kind of fun because you're always calling her out on it. And then what I notice is if she, if she makes a false claim of victimhood and you call her out on it, then she reacts as a victim in response to your latest tweet. Like your latest tweet has made her yet another victim. Like it's just a never ending cycle of how mean you are and how victimized she is. And you know, the, the Republicans writ large are awful because of something you said in response to her, you know, it's like, so what do you think of her and her approach to social media and messaging? She's a skilled rhetoricist. Is that a word? I think it is juvenile. And it is always below the belt. It's never honest.

It's always a misconstruing of words, which is honestly why I rarely interact with her. Do you know her? Well, I mean, I see her occasionally. We sort of know each we've met right in freshman orientation in the halls of Congress. Like, you know, if you're not working on a committee with people, you actually don't interact with them very much. And so, you know, I wouldn't say we we know each other and much, much more than occasional interactions. But yeah, it was strange to kind of see her come at me for that one. I think she'd just been taking a lot of heat for those silly comments that she'd been making all week about how Republicans are just a bunch of

old guys in leatherback chairs that would go crying if they ever had to deal with a hard order working as a waiter. It was just so out of touch and so silly. It's the buzzards that are going off here in the office. They want you to vote? No, not yet. Not yet, but soon. I still have not actually figured out the coding

of what these buzzards mean. It's quite confusing. Next term. Yeah. So she basically said Republicans like to make fun of the fact that I used to be a waitress, which it's like, who specifically? I know. What is she talking about?

She likes to use that as a shield. And that's what I mean, which misconstrues what people say deliberately to make her seem like a victim. It's like, no, we were not making fun of your dancing. We were not making fun of you being a waitress, right? That that's,

that's, that's nobody's made fun of that at all. Um, you know, I'm not exactly what people even, even say about it, but it's, it's usually,

it's usually something about like, well, you're not qualified because you didn't do this, this, or this, you know, maybe, maybe that would be it.

But, um, but nobody's ever making fun of that. But she's dying for you too. She's, she wants you to so badly. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I think so. And it was just, but, but that's, those specific comments were just so out of touch because it's like, you know, there's multiple members of Congress on the Republican side, missing body parts. So it's, you know, to say that we just don't know hardship and, you know, there's multiple business owners, multiple people who have like real life experiences. And for you to just dismiss that, it just shows how out of touch she is truly and how insulting she is all the time. And that playing

the victim thing, like she really embodies sort of the worst stereotypes of the millennial generation and make Kimberly give it a bad name. And I wish she'd stop. Yeah, because she she comes out with Republicans make fun of the fact that I used to be a waitress. But we all know if they ever had to do a double, they'd be the ones found crying in the walk in fridge halfway through their first shift because someone yelled at them for bringing seltzer when they wanted sparkling. And you you accurately responded with something to the effect of, these people are nuts. People like AOC who believe the biggest hardship in life was figuring out whether still or sparkling, and you don't know hardship till you cried in the back,

they don't understand. And, you know, they haven't suffered in the mountains of Afghanistan like you and your buddies. And then she responds, good to know how little you truly think of food workers at Dan Crenshaw. I mean, that's my point. It's like, she just finds a way. I am still the victim. You are still the oppressor. I will find a way. I mean, that's, that's the underlying ideology of the left, right? This sort of hierarchy of victims. So, you know, once you understand their sort of social justice way of framing every argument, their arguments can be pretty

predictable. She's just a little bit better at it and more aggressive about it than most members of the left. And I think that's why she's popular over there. But it really is about elevating that victimhood as a virtue. How do you see that playing out in the Democratic Party over the next four years, that her wing, which really is woke and annoying versus the more moderate liberals who are, you know, farther away from her left wing ideology than she would like? Yeah, I don't envy, you know, the older wing of the Democrats, the more moderate wing of the Democrats, whatever you might call them, they're in an impossible situation. And there's fewer and fewer of them. Let's just be honest. It's harder and harder to argue that the Democrat Party is the working class party.

The old Labor Party is maybe what we could have called the Democrat Party decades ago. That just doesn't seem to be the case anymore. You know, typical union workers are not voting Democrat because the Democrat culture has become so extreme and left them behind. It's, you know, just because you support union bosses, it doesn't mean you're necessarily supporting the union worker. And that's a pretty important distinction. So the other thing is, when you look at the divisions on the right, you know, let's say with the Freedom Caucus and everybody else procedural obstruction to fight the Democrats, everybody else a little bit less so. You know, a lot of Republicans are more inclined to take incremental wins and maybe some, you know, and maybe and maybe other Republicans are not right. They want to make big statements, big, grandiose statements, big wins. But fundamentally, I don't see a whole lot of difference in values and political philosophies and policy differences. The left is very different. The left is radically divided because

progressivism is, well, it's about progress, right? And the progress of ideas. So that means radical change just for the sake of change itself. You can't be progressing if you're not changing. And so it was always inevitable that well-intentioned liberalism would end up in this sort of totalitarian socialism. Because if well-intentioned liberalism is helping people, I just want to help people, I just want to have another program, tax people a little bit more because I want to help the poor. This is well intentioned liberalism, let's call it. I think it might be a little bit naive. I think it ignores trade-offs and policymaking, but fine, let's call it well intentioned liberalism. You can respectfully disagree with it and find balance. But if you always need to provide people more services,

then you always need more power to provide those services. And to get more power, you need more government control and you need more redistribution of wealth. And you end up in a place that looks a lot like socialism eventually. And then you put on top of that sort of the woke ideology, the cultural woke ideology that has bubbled up underneath it. And you've got a pretty toxic mix over there that's gone beyond Marxism. And it's like Marxism combined with crazy identity politics and other postmodern ideas where nothing is real, there is no truth, only yours and whatever the whims of the current progressive bandwagon is it's, it's a scary place to navigate. And I don't envy them. And it's only getting stronger, I would say. So, so in here in Congress, more of those kinds of members won and more of the moderate members lost. And that'll probably

be the case in, in the next election too. How big a factor do you think these COVID shutdowns are to our politics right now and going forward? Because even though, thank God, we have a vaccine coming, people are sick of it. And we could very much be looking at several months more of these draconian lockdowns in places like L.A. We're already seeing it. You know, meanwhile, coupled with the hypocrisy of what in every case has been a Democrat leader of one of these cities with the do as I say,

not as I do messaging. You know, the guy in Austin, you know, you're a Texan. The mayor of Austin saying don't leave your house from his vacation home in Cabo. The L.A. mayor, the San Jose mayor, the governor of California, Gavin Newsom.

They all break the rules while they're lecturing the rest of us. And separate and apart from the hypocrisy, just the draconian nature of the lockdown, I think, has really motivated a lot of workers who may typically have been Democrat supporters to rethink what is best for them. Should they be putting utter faith in government, knowing best whether it's Fauci or the orders of the lockdowns to, quote, keep us safe? You know, how much power do we want to give to these government officials and seed in our own lives? Yeah, it is. This is a subject I've been pretty consistent about. I never believed that lockdowns were the answer, not past the first two weeks. And the data and the history has proven me right on this.

Plenty of studies now show that they just don't make the difference that you think they make. Huge amounts of costs with very little benefit. And I think for the most part, people understand that at this point. So it's mind blowing to see a lot of these, and they're always Democrats. For whatever reason, the Democrat disposition is more inclined to believe that any cost is worth it,

right, to keep you safe. And we could do a long analysis of why that is, why they believe that. But to your question, yeah, I think it has flipped some people, maybe red-pilled them a little bit, enough to really change the nature of elections in these cities. Unfortunately not, because the cost of these lockdowns is unfortunately still borne by a few, almost entirely small business owners and the people who work there. And the other bad news I'll give you is when we kind of look at this in polling and surveys, people don't even necessarily like they're upset about the lockdowns, but they don't necessarily attach it to their politics. This might blow your mind and blows my mind. But but, you know, you have to understand that regular people are not soaking

up politics all the time. You know, they're just trying to make a buck. No, I know that's true. But I know, you know, here in New York, we started off, for example, with these people were so in love with Governor Cuomo, they were calling themselves Cuomo sexuals. And the way, welcome to New York. The way people have seen him behave since then has really changed a lot of opinions here, not the diehard Democrats, but people, I don't know that it's going to change their party affiliation, but I do think his partisanship has shined through in a way that, you know, extended exposure will do. But that is interesting that it doesn't tend to be a political motivator. Maybe if we were still in lockdowns and we didn't have vaccine would have played a bigger role. So what, you know, what do

you think we're going to do over the next few months? Because we are seeing increased lockdowns and we have a, there's a soundbite. It's a woman named Angela Marsden, and she was from the Pineapple Hill Saloon and Grill in Sherman Oaks, California. And she's disgusted. She, she's ticked off because she's got to close her restaurant. Meanwhile, the movie business with its trailers is right next door feeding people here. Here it is. I'm losing everything. Everything I own is being taken away from me. And they set up a movie company right next to my outdoor patio, which is right over here. And people wonder why I'm protesting and why I have had enough. They have not given us money and they have shut us down.

We cannot survive. My staff cannot survive. Tell me that this is dangerous. But right next to me as a slap in my face, this is dangerous. Mayor Garcetti and Gavin Newsom is responsible for every single person that doesn't have unemployment, that does not have a job and all the businesses that are going under. And we need your help. We need somebody to do something about this. What would you say to her? Well, you know, I keep fighting back.

You know, I shared her video as well. It really is heartbreaking. I've been pounding this issue for a very long time, encouraging businesses to band together, file lawsuits against your local government. I think that should be the next action. And because this is becoming about survival at this point. So this is serious. And it's really heartbreaking.

I'm just, I'm kind of at a loss to see, how does this not affect Mayor Garcetti more? How does he just not care at all? And he doesn't have to do anything except less. All he has to do is do less. That's all we're asking him to do. I mean, it's the easiest solution you can think of. Just do less. Just stop. You know what he would say? He would say it's about saving lives. He'd say, you know, it's just a temporary thing. We've all got to do our part. We've got to bend the curve. We've got to think about the older people.

And if that requires some sacrifice short term, so be it. Right. Yeah. Because these people, and so I said before, we could go into a long discussion about the wiring of somebody's brain and why they think that way. So you have to understand that liberals emphasize certain moral priorities much more than conservatives do. I'm going to reference Jonathan Haidt's work on this, where if you have five moral pillars, one would be, say, caring, kindness. Another would be fairness. Another would be authority, sense of order. Another would be purity, sense of sanctity. I think I'm missing one, but you kind of get the idea. Liberals really mostly only care about the caring and kindness to the point where there is no balance at all, which is why they can say with total sincerity, if it saves one life,

shows that I care the most, and none of these other trade-offs matter because I saved a life, right? So they believe, honestly, that they're being compassionate, but they're blinded and their own disposition completely blinds them to the consequences of their actions. And they can moralize over you and tell you that they're your moral better because of it, because they operate in this sort of psychological disposition that is so out of balance. We'll have more with Dan in just one minute, especially on victimhood and how we all need to adopt something closer to the mentality of a Navy SEAL. The country and we

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This is where we play you some notable sound from the news. And today we're going to check in with two of the voices the media loves most when it comes to COVID. Can you guess who I mean? Governor Andrew Cuomo, who we just mentioned not long ago, and Anthony Fauci. Fresh off of his International Emmy Award for Excellent TV Presentation, Governor Andrew Cuomo spent some time this week interviewing Dr. Fauci fresh off of his international Emmy award for excellent TV presentation. Governor Andrew Cuomo spent some time this week interviewing Dr. Fauci, right? He's like really leaning into the TV thing. I guess he sees his term as governor. You know, it's going to come to a close. Eventually he wants to do what his brother does now wants to be a TV star. So he's interviewing

Dr. Fauci. The two guys were talking about vaccines and how to promote the safety of the vaccines to the public when the discussion veered into very weird territory. Listen. We'll do an ad telling New Yorkers it's safe to take the vaccine to, you know, put us together. We're like the modern day De Niro and Pacino. You can be whichever you want. You can be either De Niro or Pacino. Fauci and Cuomo, I'll give you a front. Who do you want to be, De Niro or Pacino? Which one do you want to be? I love them both.

I love them both. I don't want to insult one or the other. If I say one, I don't want to hurt the feelings of the other. Yeah. So either one. Who's the politician? All right, last question. I know you're down in Washington.

You're doing great duty, but I know you miss New York. We want to figure out what to send you for Christmas. What food do you miss the most that you can't get down there that you could get if you were back here in New York and Brooklyn? You know, Governor, whenever I need some comfort food and I dream back of my days in the Bensonhurst section of Brooklyn, the thing that comes to my mind are two things. A nice Nathan hot dog and a really steaming pastrami sandwich. That would be really great. All right, so no cannolis, no meatballs.

Nathan's out there. I don't want to overdo it. I don't want to overstay my welcome. I'll take them all. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. Can I just say on behalf of my friend, Janice Dean, OMG. I just find that gross. Actually, I'll give Fauci a pass.

He's the interview subject. So if the host takes it to a place of levity, you go there. But Governor Cuomo, we've set the record in New York for deaths, maybe he shouldn't be joking all the time with his brother, with a giant Q-tip, with Fauci, about pastrami. I've had it with this guy. Of course, the media won't care. They won't cover it. They won't say anything about it. It's up to my friend, the meteorologist, to keep shining a light on Governor Cuomo sending 6,000 positive patients, COVID positive patients into nursing homes here in New York, something he's never apologized for and never taken responsibility for. And we had between six, maybe as many as 20,000 elderly people die as a result.

No responsibility. Oh, but he's Robert De Niro. He's closer to Fredo. He's like his brother, little Fredos, double Fredo, twin Fredos. That's what I think of the Cuomo brothers. I'm a little tired of their shtick. And now back to Dan Crenshaw. It's interesting to hear you talk about the left because I think it's not necessarily a leftist thing, but I do think there's a fair, there's a greater amount of people on the left who enjoy drama, right? Who sort of enjoy crisis in a way that a lot of Republicans might not lean into. And I think, yeah. And I think you as a, as a Navy SEAL, I mean, you, you've got to be looking at this. I see it in some of your tweets, like, you know, calling out AOC for like, oh, please don't talk to me about hardship. You know, the SEALs,

what I know of the SEALs, and I've been to a lot of benefits for them over the years and love the SEALs, but they don't quit. They don't do weakness. And they believe that winning is a mindset. And the last thing they would lean into is drama or victimhood, even when they have been victims. You know, like you're a guy who had his eyes shot out by an IED. I've never once heard you play the victim to the contrary. So what I mean, talk about mindset and its importance in life. Yeah, it's it's a choice, really. I mean, there's you know, there's no secret to to, I think, thinking that way. And what you know, what you alluded to on the left is what I think really comes down to is emotional manipulation. They're skilled at this and

they know that to connect with somebody on a deeper level and gain their support, they need to engage in some kind of emotional manipulation and connect on an emotional level as opposed to a rational level. And it can work fairly well. And what I talk about oftentimes is, okay, how do you shield yourself from that, right? And how do you operate with a better sense of stillness? Where you, you know, let's just go back to an old lesson. Let your mother taught you. Count to, but you know, let's just, let's just go back to an old lesson count, let your mother taught you count to 10 before you react. Um, how do you not react to that headline? And it takes practice. Um, how do you, how do you first say to yourself, I wonder if there's

more to this story. I wonder if there's trade-offs to what they're telling me. I wonder if the, the, the hyper-emotional theatric performance from this politician is meant to cover for the fact that they don't have a lot of good ideas to tell you. You know, are people substituting passion for sophistication? And are we rewarding that? And we do it on the right too.

Like we absolutely do it on the right as well. I think it happens a lot. I think it's more mainstream on the left, but, um, but you know, we could think of plenty of examples that are trying to emotionally manipulate you, get you to be angry, get you to follow them as a result. We have to shield ourselves from that kind of emotional manipulation. Um, it's, it's, do not have your best interests in mind and it makes us unhappier, you know? So, and so it's do not have your best interests in mind. And it makes us unhappier. You know, so and so it's I don't know that there's a huge amount, a lot of secrets to being that way.

But I think the first step is to simply acknowledge that that that this is what people are trying to do to you, that this is the world we live in. You acknowledge that and you choose to be more still in the face of that chaos. Would you say you personally went into the SEALs with that attitude or the SEALs did it to you? Oh, it's definitely a mix. It's a mix. Like we often say, you know, you were a SEAL before you got here, but we had to make you prove it and then give you some skill sets that you didn't have before. If you, the only way you make it through the SEAL teams is with this sort of, this sort of mind, this winning mindset. You know, I call it a no plan B mindset. Like I never, I never had a choice to quit. And so if you go into training like Bud's with, with a, with an, with this notion that,

well, I, I'm going to do my best. And if I make it, I make it. And if, and if I, if I don't, I don't, but I'm going to do my best. You're going to, you're not, you're going to, you're going to lose. You're going to quit. Um, because you gave yourself a choice, right? It's like, um, because your, your body will break, you will fail. Um, and it will be, it will be much harder than you thought. But if you go into it, like, well, I'm just, I'm just, I'm going to die or I'm going to make it. It's one of the two, um, uh, then, then you'll make it now. Of course that that's not everybody. Sometimes you just, you're not good enough swimmer, right? You're just not good at certain skills and you get dropped that way, but it's not because you quit. Okay. You might not have

met a standard, but it's not because you quit. And we lose the most guys because they quit. We will try to help people through skill sets. If they have shown that they are tougher than nails and there is nothing on this earth that will make them quit, we will work with them to get their swim times up and get their running better, whatever it takes so that they can, they can meet those skill set thresholds. I just feel like we've gotten away from any semblance of that as a society. running better, whatever it takes so that they can they can meet those skill set thresholds. I just feel like we've gotten away from any semblance of that as a society.

The SEALs I know believe the only limits you have are self-imposed. And just, you know, if you can get to that winning mindset like I the guys, you know, I go to this benefit for these guys and and they they're they're saying is say, I can't, you know, they're inspired by you doubting them. Like they can't wait to shove it down your throat. And these are guys who have had, you know, their faces blown up. Um, it, it only makes them more emboldened. And then I look at like these losers with their thumbs on their keyboard, trying to get people, you know, fired or their university admission pulled over one stupid comment. I think, oh, my God, it's are these even the same species of being like there's nothing in common. And my one of my big quandaries right now, Dan, is how

do we get more people into the seal like mentality and out of the other mentality because it really is having a negative effect on the country. Yeah. Um, I mean, so I wrote a whole book about this. Um, yeah, I love it. It's called fortitude. Yeah. Um, and you know, and I have a lot of lessons in there. Um, gain a sense of perspective, right? And a lot of this is conscious. You have to consciously embark upon these lessons, right? Gain a sense of perspective. Remind yourself every once in a while that no matter how hard you have it, somebody else has had it harder and they dealt with it better than you're dealing with it now. That's a pretty hard truth, but it's an objectively true statement. Understand that even somebody on, I saw this kind of on Twitter.

I think it was Michael Tracy. He was like making fun of people who were calling 2020 the worst year ever. And it's like, it's not the worst year ever. And if we're going to go through a pandemic, it's by far the best year to ever have been going through a pandemic, given that we created a vaccine in less than a year,

that we do have the best medical system, the best ability to deal with this than anybody else in the world. If you're working from home and watching too much Tiger King, I mean, it's not the worst year. It's a crappy year, but it's not the worst. We need to just understand that. We need to understand that people have had it worse and dealt with things better. So a matter of perspective is really important. I'll say other thing, it's a more practical way to get better. Do hard things, like challenge yourself.

I'm not saying go through buds, but challenge yourself. That's the SEAL training program. Yeah. But challenge yourself in a way that is harder than something you did yesterday. And, you know, this builds mental calluses, physical calluses, and this makes you better. But ultimately, what America needs, what America is founded on, what any free enterprise society is founded on, whatever free democracy democracy is founded upon is some sense of ordered liberty which means personal responsibility because you cannot be free if you're not personally responsible um you you cannot have a a liberty-minded society with a bunch of people that believe that somebody else is responsible for them you know the way that the Marxists and the socialists eventually get you to believe in their policies

is they first have to attack that cultural underpinning of personal responsibility. Because as soon as they've done that, as soon as they've made you feel like the victim, so why does AOC constantly pit the victimhood thing? Because that's a cultural necessity for her to sell her policy ideas, for her to sell her power to you. She has to make you feel like a victim because only she can save

you, right? Because she pulls the strings of government. And now she can make that other person be responsible for you because their wealth is ill-begotten and you need somebody to take it from them and give it to you. So you see how important this is and you see why they attack it so much. And we have to remember that the only people that are responsible for our own lives are ourselves. We have to remember a sense of, we have to reinculcate a sense of duty into our citizenry, a sense of duty to be on time, do the job, even if you hate it. That's a quote from my book. My staff always reminds me of it every time I complain about a meeting that I have,

which is very annoying. And so I've had to make a rule in my office where they're not allowed to repeat my own words back to me. Never quote me to me. Yeah, don't do that. You're fired. But you get the idea, right? Like inculcating a sense of citizenry, I think is, is, is a lost art and, uh, we, we need it now more than ever. You're, I mean, you're, you were literally the polar opposite of this woman. You

and she have, I probably think almost nothing in common. I, yeah, she's, she's, she's playing the victim because she thinks wrongly someone made fun of her being a waitress, which by the way, even if they did, who cares, get over it. It's life. People will mock you grow up. Um, but she, you know, so that's her. And then reading your book, you do talk very openly about when you were hit by the IED in Iraq. You did five tours of duty. And is it true that two of them were after your eye was blown up? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there weren't combat tours. But yeah, so I did two tours in Iraq.

And then my third in Afghanistan. I was hurt in 2012 and then went back to the Middle East in 2014. Worked throughout the Middle East, but mostly Bahrain. And then my last tour in South Korea. I thought the system was pretty hard. Yeah, well, I thought the system pretty hard. We're trying to stay in. So I never wanted to end up where I'm at now. Me and my you went from one form of combat to another, but, uh, you know, they may be trying to steal your soul, but they don't want your eye. You know, you talk about it. So matter of factly your time when the IED and, and when you got blown up, are you kind of over that? Do you feel like you're over the trauma of that event? Yeah. Yeah, I do. Um, yeah, I think I'm blessed, um, in, in that respect. Uh, I, I, well, my wife would probably have a different answer for that, but, but I don't feel like, um, I don't feel now like, like I have any kind of remnants of PTSD from it. I think I did for a

while. Um, but, uh, no, I, I, I don't, I don't dwell on it, uh, very much. I'm just, I'm extremely grateful, frankly, for, um, for what I can see. It's an absolute miracle that I can see it all out of my left eye. Um, you know, there's a lot of adaptation that occurs. People just see me as I am right now. So they wrongfully assume that there's not serious vision issues. And it always strikes me as odd how willing people are in politics to always make fun of the eye. It's like you don't make fun of anybody else's missing body parts. Like if somebody loses a leg or an arm, you notice that's like off limits. But for some reason, the eye thing, and this is, by the, or a, or an arm, you notice that's like off limits, but for some reason,

the eye thing, and this is by the way, more, again, this is, this happens more with conservatives, right? Again, that, that crazy right wing, that, that crazy wing that we talked about that pretends to be MAGA supporters, but they're not. Um, it just happens a lot more with them than it does the left. I would just, I would just point out, um, they're, they're, they're mocking. I mean, I remember the Pete Davidson thing on SNL, but that of course he was, he's no Republican, but what do you mean? People are mocking your, oh yeah, they're vicious and disgusting about it. Um, you know, so it's just kind of odd. I guess I'm, I'm noting it because what's interesting is that they, they'll never do it to somebody without a leg or an arm. There's something about eye, like something about like, oh, it's fine. It's not.

But anyway. Well, I don't know. Maybe the other thing is, I will say the eye patch is kind of cool. It could be a form of envy. You know, like there's something that it kind of takes you to the next level of badass when you have an eye patch. Well, well, I think I think I would say that a lot of these groipers are probably incels. So, yeah, they might be envious. Well, I think I would say that a lot of these groipers are probably incels.

So yeah, they might be envious. Well, to your original question, which was a serious one, I'm blessed to feel like I've gotten over it. But I'm still constantly getting fitted for different glasses so I can see this computer that I'm looking at right now properly because I have a cataract in my eye that can't be fixed. Um, I have a, I have an Iris that cannot open and close. So like, I can't be outside in the sun without sunglasses. Um, when I take out my contact, which only one company makes properly in the world, um, you know, I've got to wear the lenses that are a quarter inch thick to see anything at all. So, and then, you know, I've got like no, no field of view or depth perception. So it's, um, it just takes adaptation, but, but I've never, I've always felt, um, a real strong, um, community support. Uh,

the SEAL teams are very tightly knit and like that. And, um, you know, so it's, uh, I, I, I don't dwell on it. Well, I know you, you wrote in your book, you chose not to be bitter and it is a choice a hundred percent. I can, I can, I haven't been through anything like what you've been through, but I, I know grief and loss and pain. And I do think that there's a moment where you can feel it creeping up inside your throat, bitterness, and you, you do have to make a choice, whether you're going to surrender to that and, or whether you're going to reject it and, and not shove it back down, but just get it out of you. Just get, just reject it. You know, you, you can do that. It's, it's a conscious choice and you, you've had to do it

repeatedly. I mean, you, you had the IED attack and you write very openly and heart-wrenchingly about the loss of your mom when you were only 10. I can tell you as the mother of three children, that was rough just to read. I can't imagine. I just want the audience to know you write because you knew she was dying. It was a five year process. And you write going from kindergarten to fourth grade, knowing that your mother's dying, that the center of a small boy's world is collapsing is an experience I wouldn't wish on anyone. But from this grief came learning. I got to experience the nature of a true hero. And the example she set was the most powerful. I'm going to cry just reading this, a fortifying and selfless thing I have ever seen, including in combat.

That is so beautiful. And I wonder how your mom would feel if she could read that down. Yeah, well, I mean, I like to think that she does and she feels that, you know, that she's still with me as sort of a guardian angel. I've always believed that. And I meant every word, you know, I'm not restructuring history to, you know, for the sake of those words. That really was her. I never, and if there was ever was ever any self pity and I never noticed it, you know, I, and it was, she never exposed it to us. And, um, it was, she was really a model, um, to look, to look up to.

Um, and, uh, I do think that's, that's probably where I get that mindset, uh, from, and in a sense of perspective from the other thing I write about there is, okay, when things are, you know, because I was basically unable to move in a hospital bed and you're like, this is a pretty bad situation right now. I'm blind. Doctors don't think I'll see again. And I would continue to be blind for weeks until some miracle surgeries. But it's like, well, you know who also had some hardships? Like my own mom. And she got through it until the very end.

And so suck it up, right? And I think you have to tell yourself that. And it always feels better to be a victim. It always feels better to be better and to blame somebody else for it. And again, easy to blame somebody else for the decisions I made that day that I got blown up on or other people's decisions lot of blame to go around. Yeah. But then what, but this, and, and, and I would, it would be rational arguments by the way, but, but there's kind of no point to it. Like there's, it doesn't get you anywhere. And it's very disempowering. It's extremely disempowering.

Um, and there's way too much of that right now. Uh, we, it's, it's almost the default position for us in our politics these days. We just have to stop. We have to make a conscious decision to stop. It's really tearing our country apart. Do you think you'd be a Navy SEAL if your mom hadn't died? Probably, maybe. I mean, it's hard to know um if you mess with the uh

with the strands of time well the butterfly effect what often happens but um i think so you know the it's maybe i would have been a better seal honestly i don't know um but uh you know i yeah i kind of got the the idea came as I got into a book and I was like 10 or 11, 12. I don't remember exactly how old I was, but, um, and I just never let go of that dream. So having my mom around just might've, might've made it easier. I don't know. So what was harder hell week or becoming a member of Congress and trying to get anything

done? Oh, I think Congress is much harder. It's obviously in a totally different way. But, you know, it's there's a much bigger weight up here in Congress. I mean, it's, you know, it's in Hell Week, you're, you know, you're, you're focused on, on that task at hand. It's not, it's not easy. But there's, there's a lot at stake up here. It's important.

And there's a lot of anger and division in the country right now. And you've got to walk that balance the best you can. So it's, but it's worth it, right? Hard things are worth it. You know, there's not a lot of good, fulfilling things out there that are easy. That's sort of another lesson that I like to promote, which is, again, it's of it's a deeper lesson behind

when I say do something difficult and challenging and hard because no good thing comes easily. And it would be good to remind ourselves of that. So last question, you are very young, very young, but you have finally made it over the age at which one may become president in the United States. You're 36, right? Mm hmm. OK, so you made it past 35. Congratulations. And so that I'm sure a lot of people are wondering, is that is that an aspiration either in 2024 or beyond?

Because you are super popular amongst Republicans, and I think amongst reasonable liberals, they're open-minded to you. Yeah, maybe no time soon. I'll say that. You know, I've got, I mean, I am, as you noted, I'm pretty young, and I've got plenty of time. So I'm definitely not in a hurry to move on to something. It's I'm focused on this job. I mean, I'm focused on my second term, you know, and getting on the committees I want and and working for the district right now. So no plans anytime soon. You're a good representative in many ways for the city of Houston and the people who live there. They always speak sense.

Houstonians are sensible people. If I weren't born in the Northeast with all my connections here, I would move there in a heartbeat. Our thanks to Dan Crenshaw for that interview. I want to tell you that today's episode was brought to you in part by Blinds Galore. Get the custom blinds and shades you've always wanted. Visit BlindsGalore.com today and choose The Megyn Kelly Show at checkout to learn more. Don't forget to subscribe to the show while I have your attention. Download, rate, review, por favor. Would appreciate that. Love hearing from you. Because on Friday, you're not going to want to

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