The Megyn Kelly Show - Ridiculous Anti-ICE Celebs at Grammys, Savannah Guthrie's Mom Missing, and Lemon's "Journalism," with Jesse Kelly, Jonathan Turley, and Matt Murphy | Ep. 1243

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

Megyn Kelly is joined by Jesse Kelly, author of "Jesse Kelly's Little Red Book," to discuss celebrities hopping on the anti-ICE trend at the Grammys, Billie Eilish's ridiculous speech, out-of-touch celebrities on the red carpet, crazy outfits at the Grammys like Chappell Roan’s nipple ring dress, singer Bon Iver wearing a literal whistle to honor the anti-ICE agitators, Don Lemon’s and his friends trying to make his arrest about racism, why Lemon is thirsty for subscribers and views, and more. Then Jonathan Turley, author of "The Rage and the Republic," joins to discuss “judicial coups” Trump is facing over his deportation policies, lies the media told about the viral story of the 5-year-old boy, the Trump administration's challenges in sanctuary cities, what Ben Franklin and Thomas Paine would think about the America we live in now, whether either party will ever support limited government again, Don Lemon's claim that he's just doing "journalism" after his arrest, the legal questions about whether that affects his prosecution, and more. Plus Matt Murphy, MK True Crime host, joins to discuss the shocking story of Savannah Guthrie's mom missing and the police investigating it as a crime. Kelly- https://jessekelly.com/Turley- https://www.amazon.com/Rage-Republic-Unfinished-American-Revolution/dp/1668205025 DailyLook: https://dailylook.com to take your style quiz and use code MEGYN for 50% off your first order.Riverbend Ranch: Visit https://riverbendranch.com/ | Use promo code MEGYN for $20 off your first order.SaunaSpace: Discover why SaunaSpace’s infrared FireLight tech is redefining at‑home wellness—visit https://Sauna.Space/MEGYN and use code MEGYN for 10% off your entire order.ARMRA: go to https://tryarmra.com/MEGYNto get 30% off your first subscription order  Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, and happy Monday, and happy February and Groundhog Day, for that matter. Did you watch the Grammys last night? Of course you didn't. I mean, who did? But we watched it so you didn't have to. And we have the low lights for you. And there are plenty of them. Plus, more follow from Don Lemon's indictment for storming a church in minnesota, St. Paul, to protest ice. The brilliant legal scholar Jonathan Turley will break it down for us. He's out with a new book and we'll discuss it with him in an hour. Joining me first, however, is our friend Jesse Kelly, who is host of the Jesse Kelly show, which you can hear

on the Megan Kelly Channel series XM 11. Every weeknight at 6 p.m. Eastern, we love serving up that red steak for you. Every night at 6 p.m. when you, officially go on your carnivore diet. Jesse's got a new book out today called Jesse Kelly's Little Red Book. And get this. You can read it right now for free at jessiekelly.com. Jessekelly.com little red book. You get a whole book from Jesse for free. Jesse Kelly.com. The new year hits and suddenly you might want new everything, including a new wardrobe. Does that resonate, ladies? Well, our sponsor, Daily Look, makes that wardrobe upgrade way too easy. Daily Look is the number one rated premium personal styling service for women. With Daily Look,

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your book away for free. Well, it's, it's a book. I don't know, Megan, you're the educated one. I don't know what the transition is between a book and a booklet. I guess I would probably call it a booklet. It's only 93 pages. It's just kind of, I want it something short and easily consumable. You know, everything's so long anymore. Everything takes forever and we're more of an easily consumable society, so it's just very short, you know. Our friend Shirley, who we love, he went a different way. His book is 448 pages. So, We've got two different approaches to that. Yeah.

No, and I'm sure it's very good. And I wrote one long book and I never wanted to write another book. I just thought it would be good to have a condensed version of, you know, life, communism, Democrats, Republicans, where we're at as a country, just kind of easily consumable. And as we were putting it together, we thought, you know, I don't want to sell it. I don't feel like selling it. I'm not trying to, I just don't feel like selling it. I just want people to have it. So we're just going to email it out to everybody.

It's not a scam. It's not a gimmick. I'm not trying to, you're not going to lock you into some portal thing or something like that. Just go jessiekelly.com. We're just going to send it to you for free. Send it to your friends. Enjoy it.

I've been channeling so much Jesse Kelly these days because when I see these lunatics and the nurse is Jesse, just like you said, they're everywhere. The crazy videos hoping Caroline Levitt is hurt during her delivery, hoping Usha Vance is the one. calling for all out of salts with needles and the fatal medication by nurses in these hospitals. Thankfully, they are getting fired and they're getting their licenses revoked, at least if they're in

Florida. But like, this whole thing has been revenge of the nurses. Can you speak to that? Because you called that long ago. Well, we make a mistake. We all make a mistake. I've made this mistake. But we certainly made this mistake in America when we think back to the real, the communists on the street corners, right? The crazies on the corner with the signs and the pink hair and the nose rings. And it's human nature to look at those people and think, well, they're so deranged. They're so crazy. They're so stupid that, yeah, it's annoying, right?

They may screw up traffic, but I can avoid them. They're never going to actually, I'm never going to have to encounter these people in my life. And, of course, because of all their failings, they're never going to rise and actually achieve important positions in society, they're too crazy. They're too stupid. But that is so insanely naive. History tells a completely different story that when you get enough of these bottom barrel losers like this, they will eventually work their way through institutions and they will pilot your planes. They will be standing over your bed as you're in a hospital needing life-saving care. They will be in critical positions in the government. They will be judges. They're not going to

stay on the street corners forever. And they did not. And I honestly don't like to dwell on it, Megan, because all of us at some point in time have a hospital visit in our future. And besides the education profession and maybe the legal profession, the takeover of the medical profession by these monsters is probably the scariest thing to sit and dwell on when you think about what that means for you. Put your mega hat away when you go to the hospital. Yeah, megas scarily. Yes. All right. And also when you go to the Grammys. I mean, let me tell you my number one takeaway from last night. There's a ton of mental illness in the music industry. That's one. And number two, not to put you to find a point on it, but I just sat there like, sing for me, bitch.

That's how I felt. Sing. Sing. I don't support anything you're doing. I'll never buy your album. But I will sit and listen to your music if I like it. Sing, do it. Dance. Do it. Watch. I'll watch you. and I'll listen. I won't give you any money. I don't give two shits what your thoughts are on politics. Now, sing right now. That's how I felt. Like, you absolute jerk losers, know nothings. Justin Bieber is Canadian and is out there with his get out ice pin. I mean, honestly, as dumb as two bananas. He's so stupid. There's nothing in between those ears. He's a good singer. And he likes to wear his underwear a lot. That we know. We know. We know. those things about Justin Bieber.

The thought that this guy's going to advise us on how to handle one of the most complex, pernicious problems in America is so galling. And then there's the fashion. I mean, here's Billy Eilish, who might be the most depressed person in America. I mean, like, all of her music is like, she shows up and she's ready to talk about. ICE with her disgusting outfit. Truly, she was one of the worst dress. Not the worst. We can talk about that in a minute because Jesse, I'm sure wants to talk about

best dress and worse dressed. But here she was with a message, just like her fellow artists for ICE and sought eight. No one is illegal on stolen land. Okay. And, yeah, it's just really hard to know what to say and what to do right now. And I just, I feel really hopeful in this room. And I feel like we just need to keep fighting and speak. up and protesting and our voices really do matter and the people matter.

You literally look like the human embodiment of a domino, which is a great game, but it wouldn't really be my motivation for the Grammys. I mean, what, okay. She, like everybody else who got up there to lecture us, has got more money than God. Her property records reveal she's got, she paid $14 million for her L.A. estate back in 23. Yeah. And the property spans Jesse nearly four acres on an oak tree studded hillside. Gated, gated, of course, accessed via a very long, sinuously winding driveway. No part of the house itself is visible from the street, but it's quite large. Six bedrooms, seven baths, nearly seven thousand

square feet. It's located on the ancestral unseeded land of the Tongva people. Wait a minute, Billy, it's on ancestral land. The county of Los Angeles formerly recognizes that it occupies land originally and still inhabited and cared for by the Tongva, along with other indigenous groups. She has a net worth of well over $50 million, of course, and Billy is just fine with her 24-7 security team and her gates and her four acres outside of L.A., but the rest of us need to to live unguated, unprotected, without all the acreage, and just deal with the murderist raping illegals that she wants sicked on us, or we're bad people. Yeah, I've got actually a few things say about these nutballs, Megan.

Yes, I need you to say them. First, people can criticize the Romans, the most wonderful society in the history of mankind, the longest lasting. They gave more improvements to the planet than any other empire in the history of the world. But the Romans had a lot of things figured out very, very well. You said, just sing for me. Well, that's exactly how the Romans viewed artists. The Romans loved plays. They loved music. They absolutely adored these things. But they also understood that generally the practitioners of these things should never, ever, ever, ever, ever make decisions of any kind in a society. High society Romans, it was actually a scandal if they were even seen talking to a musician

and an actor. They regarded them as the same level as prostitutes. And you can say that's mean and that's insulting. But I would invite everybody to go watch the Grammys and tell me just how far the Romans were off. They nailed it exactly. I don't need to argue politics with Billy Elish. I don't even know who this woman is. In the same way, I don't need to argue politics with a monkey. Her job is there to sing. She's not there to make decisions. Should never make decisions in a society. I don't argue with my dog over what to have for dinner, and I don't argue with Billy Elish about how to handle immigration for a country of 300 million people. That's not something that would ever happen in a million years.

And more than anything else, Megan, what they are is because we have such a corrupted system in this country where we have all these cultural institutions that are taken over by these monsters, what they're doing is they're trying to get access to the upper floors of the building. And you have to check certain boxes to get access to the upper floors of the building. For instance, I want to make sure he gets credit for it. The wonderful actor James Woods gave an interview recently. I don't remember who was sorry to not give that person credit. But James Woods was actually talking about the Oscars. And they were talked to him about DEI in Hollywood. And James Wood said, well, here's how it works in Hollywood. You can write the best movie in

the world, have the best actors, have this and that. If you don't have enough gays in it, enough black people in it, enough, if your movie is not, if it doesn't have enough D-E-I, then boom, you've run into the ceiling. You can't get all the way up to the Oscar. That is a box you must have checked. Think of it like a security card. If you can't scan it and get through that door, there's no Oscar for you. So you have to start throwing that stuff in there.

These musicians are the exact same way. Would you like $10 million to play at the next Democrat National Convention? $10 million can be yours. Pay for that house and that security. But we're going to need 30 seconds from you at the great. Grammys rolling out the Democrat line about how every single foreign barbarian should be able to move into your neighborhood and eat your cat. That's what you have to do.

If you want that $10 million, it's the way you get to move on up the building. And that's what they're doing. They're just morons giving the company line because it keeps moving them up the floors. Remember when that idiot McElmore or whatever that dork's name is, I think he won a Grammy for like the worst song ever because it was all about gay people? that's the only reason he wanted. It was worth song ever. I think it was like on the tune and everything else, but he made it gay enough. Boom. Grammar. There you go. He's still at it. He's been ripping on ice in the past couple of weeks as well, as have so many of them, most of whom I have no idea who they are. The only one who I knew was Shabuzi, who I, whose music I like. But, and he will sing for me, bitch. He will. Sing. Do it now. Play. That's it. I love. I really don't give a shit about what their feelings are on politics.

I will listen to them sing. I won't pay for the money, pay the money to listen to it because I won't support them. But I do feel they need to mock them that they think they can come into our lane and talk politics. Same as I don't know shit about Shabuzi. He sounds like a man who might need a 30-day in-house treatment program. But whatever. I'm not going to opine on his music or how music's made because that's not my lane. And I have news for you, Shaboozy.

And also, we're going to see singer Kalani, Samara Joy. And also, I think it's just those three in this clip. You don't know anything about politics either. Stop three. Sure that I say is that everybody is so powerful in this room and in this room later. And together we're stronger in numbers to speak against all the injustice going on in the world right now. Yeah. So instead of letting it be just a couple of you here and there, I hope everybody's

inspired to join together as a community of artists and speak out against what's going on. And I'm going to leave this and say, fuck ice. I want to stand up, you know. I don't want to draw attention to myself all the time without recognizing the humanity between myself and all the people around the world who are experiencing such tragedies. Immigrants built this country, literally. Actually, so this is for them. For all children of immigrants, this is also for those who came to. this country in search a better opportunity to be a part of a nation that promised freedom for all

the unequal opportunity to everyone willing to work for it. Thank you for bringing your culture, your music, your stories, and your traditions here. You give America a color. I love y'all so much. Thank you. Okay. Jesse, it's so dishonest. It's so freaking dishonest to pretend that this is about immigrants. It has nothing to do with immigrants. There's lots of immigrants in the country right now, we don't bother them. They came in legally. They jumped through the right hoops. We don't bother them. The first lady is an immigrant. All right, we don't bother them. It's the illegal immigrants who need to get the F out. And so, like, this is just so blatantly dishonest. Is he dumb or dishonest? We should play that game for everybody we're going to go through. Your thoughts?

I think it's dumb. And maybe even dumb as being a little mean, although you know how mean I actually am, Megan. I think it's more programmable. You know what hit me when I was just watching that sought of all these people and ice this and F ice and all this other stuff. I would love to play a replay. In fact, I think I'm going to go dig this up, a replay of what the Grammys were like during COVID and how many of these people got up and told people to take the facts and get you shot and all these other things during COVID. And what it shows is just they're just robots. I mean, they're just robots not wearing very much clothing. And you just upload to them like a robot, whatever the latest software update is of the day, whatever the latest comedy talking points are,

and they'll go out there and say it. You could, I promise you, if there was enough propaganda and money behind it, next year at the Grammys, you could get all these people to go out there and give a speech on whale farts smelling good. And it sounds ridiculous, but I guarantee if you put enough money incentive behind it and promise them there be a potential Grammy and there'd be great publicity behind it. and you're going to get in us weekly for it, and you're going to get invited to this concert. Every single one of these morons would go up there and talk about how wonderful whale farts are.

And then the next year it would be something else. And then the next year it would be something else entirely. It's not like these are introspective people who sit at home and consume the news. They're not listening to the Megan Kelly Show on The Wonderful Serious XM. They're not informed about anything at all, about anything. They're just robots. You just put in a little software update, beep, beep, beep. and they roll out there and say the next thing.

I find it to be so boring. And like I said, there are people who really just shouldn't be taking seriously at all. And the one woman who gets up there and talks about how you're all so powerful. Get freaking serious, you goober. You're all a bunch of rich singers. And by the way, you'll all be forgotten about in a year or two when the writers start writing for someone else and you're stuck with your heroin in your beach house.

bankruptcy and now no one cares about what you say at the Grammys anymore. It's all the same story every time these people are boring. Yeah. And that's why, in addition to being political hacks, they have to show up naked. Yeah. I mean, literally, like, naked for some of them. This woman was just an attendee and she's in some reality show, but she really wanted attention, Jesse, so she felt she had to go naked. Her name, hold on for the listening audience, she's naked. I see an entire left boob. It's side boob, but it's the whole boob. Her name is Ciara Miller. And I see an entire ass cheek. There's like absolutely nothing covered on her except for like the little hip bone on the left. And so instead

of keeping it classy, Jessie, she decided to show us exactly what every man who's banged her has gotten to see, which seems like a little aggressive. I'm just going to say, like, once you've shown it off to the world, where's the excitement your first night with your new man or your, you know, when you go home to your husband and he knows he's the only one who gets that? Seems like it kind of deflates it for me. And then there was Heidi Klum, the perpetually naked Heidi. And I'm just going to tell you, Heidi Klum is around my age and sister. There comes a time when you just have to stop with all the nudity. She's on the beach in St. Bart's happening to catch yourself nude, photographed in the nude every other month, Jesse. Heidi's been.

beautiful. It's not exactly the way it used to be. It isn't for any of us of passion of judgment, but that's why most of us don't run around naked. And some of us never did. She's wearing some sort of concoction. It looks like hard plastic. I read someplace that it was latex, but it looks, I mean, if you knocked on it, it would make a hard noise, like you were knocking on a McDonald's arch, which is what it reminds me of. She can barely walk in her seven-inch heels. She looks large. It makes her look large. Her rear end looks enormous. And the tweet from, was it variety was like Heidi Klum certainly knows how to make a statement on the red carpet. And my response was, is it, I look ridiculous? Because that's all I can think when I look at this absurd, desperate grasp

for attention, Jesse. There comes a time in life where you got to grow up, right, Megan? I mean, Even, look, okay, you're Heidi Kloom. In fact, I was talking to, my wife about this this morning. She says hi, by the way. You know how much she loves you. I was talking to Ob about this this morning. And she was honestly so disappointing. She's not big on pop culture stuff, but she, of course, saw the Heidi Kloom stuff.

And she said she's got to be in her 50s. You should be, you're Heidi Kloom. You're already a legend. You already have more money than God. You should be in a classy, beautiful dress because you're Heidi Kloom, you're beautiful. you're beautiful. You don't have to do that anymore. Why are you still doing that? I understand you're some 22-year-old starlet trying to get noticed, so you make sure you have to get as naked as humanly possible on the red carpet. I understand that. Not that I'm encouraging it, but I totally

understand that. But you're Heidi Klum. Your bank account probably is in excess of $100 million with all the money models make these days. What are you doing? Doesn't it. Doesn't there be, doesn't there, don't you get to a place in life where you just kind of want a nice, quiet glass of wine on a beach where you show up at these events and you want to, you want to have a classy dress on and you want to possibly be somebody for other young women to look up to instead of being 60, trying to be 20 again? It's all insanely sad. And you brought up Billy Elish earlier about how depressed she is. That is one thing I hope everybody watching and listening understands is that wherever you're at in life, I know you don't have as much money as these people do. Believe me, I do not either. You're probably almost undoubtedly happier and more content than all of them. They all showed up in limos, five-star hotels. They all took private jets there with supermodels and the saint barts and everything else. And it seems like their lives are perfect. These people hate themselves and they hate their lives. None of these people are happy and content. They're all miserable, huge. human beings. Part of me, and maybe I'm getting soft in my old age, Megan, part of me feels bad for them. Yeah. No, I do too, because you know they're not going home to like a spouse who loves

them and kids who are awesome and like a normal life with good friends who genuinely like them and aren't just after their weird celeb connection. It wasn't just them. By the way, Heidi Klum, she's giving off J-Lo vibes now. We're like, and Holly Berry. Those are three women who are now in their 50s who are desperate to hold on to their sex kitten status. And it's like if they wouldn't do that, people would just be saying, my God, you still have it all. You look amazing for your age or not even with that qualifier. You look amazing. You look hot and sexy. I don't know how you do it. But because they've got to actually show boob, I'm telling you, just Google, Heidi Klum, you can see her naked whenever you want. There are tons of pictures of her monthly

on the beach in same parts. Jay-Lo, she does it on stage with her little dental floss thong and so on. And Holly Berry is desperate to prove that she's a sexual being ever since somebody alleged that she sucks in bed. Okay, so anyway, instead they overcompensate and they've got to show you way too much. They stink a desperation. That's the thing. They stink a desperation. And I can smell it from here. All right. Let's keep going because the most absurd outfit last night and, person was somebody who goes by Chapel Rhone. Her real name is Kaylee Amstutz. She's 27. And this is absurd. So for listening audience, you probably saw pictures of it online. You couldn't avoid it this morning. She's got this like wine, burgundy wine cover dress on instead of the two like tops of it,

like the two top pieces that would normally like be on your shoulders. They're connected to her nipple rings, which are apparently also a prosthetic. But what you see is like, what looks like boobs with prominent nipples with nipple rings, which are attaching the top of the dress, and not for nothing, but a very, very homely woman on top. I'm like her face, her hair, it's all very, very unattractive. And she too has got some issues, Jesse. She is a lesbian. That's fine. She's been praised for her unapologetic authenticity and her expression of queer and femininity in her music and live performances, yes. And here's what you need to know about her. She says she had a, quote, really depressed childhood. And she wasn't diagnosed as bipolar

until five years ago when she was 22. So I think we could have known a lot of that without really any words, just the dress and the decision making behind it. Thoughts? I got to tell you, Megan, I'm stunned to hear that she didn't have the best childhood. As soon as I saw that dress, I said to myself, that's a girl who comes from a really solid family home with a mother and father who loved her, probably had her in church on Sunday. It's sad.

It's sad. And again, I know I'm sounding like an old fuddy-duddy. I swear I'm only 44 years old. But because there's so much of this now, and because everything's naked all the time now, if you want to stand out, you can't get any more naked than the next 10 naked chicks who walk down the red carpet. If you really want to stand out, put on a classy dress. If you put on a classy dress, that's what stands out.

That's what's the most eye-popping thing. Yeah, exactly. Ying when they yang, Zig, when they zag, everybody's seeing your boobs by now. Everybody has, it's fine, wonderful, sounds good. But if you actually put on a classy dress, again, I'm not trying to sound. like old fogey Jesse, that's the kind of thing that would make my head turn. Oh, look at that. A classy dress. I bet she can actually carry on a conversation. We could probably talk. It would be amazing. But you see that and you think to yourself, yeah, trash. A lot of trash out there.

Moving on. Moving on. Here's the Babylon B tweeted out today in edgy Grammy's performance. Fully clothed woman sings beautiful song. To your point. That's exactly it. I've got one more. And her name is Andrea Ekaveri. Never heard of her. But she's the lead singer of a group called Adder Cipollados, a rock band from Columbia.

Don't know who she is. But she was wearing a multicolored velvet jester costume made entirely out of nipples. That's her. in the middle. Free the nip has gone next stage. Oh, wait. And actually, I do have one more past her. And that's this Addison Ray. Now, she's big on TikTok. She was nominated for Best New Artist. And let me tell you the last time we heard publicly from Ms. Addison Ray before I shot, well, here's her picture. You can see her ass. So she's got this long, very weird white dress on. In the front, it looks very 1990s asymmetric. She got slammed as one of the worst dressed. Agreed.

And in the back, it's less than a mini-stress. skirt. It's like, it's showing her ass. And in this picture we're showing here, she's bending forward, like hands on the knees, like a cheerleader, and showing everybody the ass. So it's not even like, oh, you saw a little hint of my ass. It's, here's my ass. Everyone, here's my ass. Look at it. Now, the last we heard from her publicly was last year, 2025, in People magazine, Jesse, where she discussed stepping back from social media because she, quote, felt so misunderstood after, quote, sharing so much of herself online and had come to, quote, really value her privacy, noting that privacy becomes really important over time.

I guess over like just like two months because 2025 wasn't that long ago and she doesn't seem like somebody who wants privacy at all. You know what I think about sometimes, Megan, when I go to a public restroom, I think to myself, you know, you know the cleaning lady comes in and she cleans the toilet, right? And they mop the floors. Do they actually clean the door handle, right? Do they, did they clean the handles on the faucet of the sink? Do they clean the chairs at the grannies? Because, you know, I mean, obviously, it's going to be in a fancy place. Just hear me out here, they're going to vacuum the floors. And, of course, they're going to put on new tablecloths and things like that. I know everything's

going to be polished. But that chair has to be disinfected. There's no question to ask me Disinfected. Are you 100% sure that that chair has been disinfected? What is the smell like after she's gone? I think about these things sometimes. It's true. And God only knows what was, you know, we don't know her sexual proclivities. I mean, we don't know what's going on there. But yeah, no one wants to sit there when she was just there underwear only separating her hoochie from the seat. You raise some good questions. There are some occasions to travel with the Purell. No. Oh, oh. You know what? I'm going to become a germaphobe if we kept talking about this.

We have to change subject. Okay. I would be remiss if I did not do a little bad bunny. Bad bunny is going to be the Super Bowl halftime show. And he, of course, got lots of snaps for ripping on. You guessed it. Ice. SOT six.

Before I say, thanks to God. I'm going to say, ice out. We're not savage. We're not animals. We're not aliens. We are humans and we are Americans. The hate get more powerful with more hate. The only thing that is more powerful than hate is love.

I mean, he's actually trying to pawn that off like it's clever, like it's some sort of profundity. He's against ice. I mean, I feel like we might want to send ice down to his compound. He's worth $100 million, reportedly. And let's see, he won three Grammys on Sunday, including album of the year, the first Spanish language album to win. I'm sure it was totally organic and worthy of it. And there was absolutely no coordination between the Grammys and the NFL, where he's going to be doing the halftime show.

He's going to make history as the first Spanish language Latin solo artist, just to headline that Super Bowl halftime show next weekend. He will also be the first reggaeton artist to do so. And that's the only thing really interesting about Bad Bunny. He wanted to make sure everybody there knew that he hated ice. And, oh, wait, there's one more. Wait. Bon Ivor. Who is that? Do you know who Bon Iver is? No idea. Never heard of that person in my life. Oh, it's Bon of Air. Bonne of Air. You see, it's classier if you pronounce it the French way. Bonnevere. So Bon Iver had the following to say. Stop for. I want to ask about the whistle. Obviously, it's very prominent. What does it stand for? It's to honor the observers in Minneapolis. You know, they blow the whistles when they see ice come in and they're there to protect their community and they've been doing it.

for weeks and 30 below. And I think that kind of work, it's really great to stop here and to celebrate music and to talk about the power of music and to recognize each other. But I think the real work is in the streets of Minneapolis right now. And I'm here to honor them as well. All right. So we got the 100 millionaire who doesn't want immigration enforcement. And we got this guy, Bon, with his little whistle on his lapel, Jesse.

At a place, we should probably point out, Megan, it's an obvious point, but at a place that is surrounded by more security than anybody has ever seen in their lifetime, they don't want the deportation force of America to remove the child rapists and serial killers from our communities. They believe those people should stay there, and yet they live their entire lives surrounded by security. If these people ever walk into a red lobster, they do so surrounded by security. guards, if you try to approach them, some gigantic beast is going to pound your head through the table or even attempting to talk to them. And yet normal Americans who have to live in communities with these animals from all over the planet, we have people with long criminal records from all over the planet who come here. They hide in blue areas. And normal Americans who don't want to be raped, they don't want to be murdered, they don't want to be robbed, they don't want their taxpayer

money being swindled by the quality leering center in Minneapolis. None of these people actually care about any normal people at all. It's all one gigantic virtue signal with your stupid whistles and your out ice or or whatever the stupid pins were and the rest of it. And you know who should actually be ashamed? Honestly, Megan, is the NFL. But you know what? I take that back.

That's probably the wrong way to put that. You know who should be ashamed? The people who can't walk away from it. And I understand the NFL's most popular thing in the world. I totally get all that. I'm really genuinely not judging. But if you are going to watch the halftime show with that filthy communist spewing all that crap out there allegedly in a dress, I would have to question you, to be honest, at this point in time.

Yes. How many times are you going to let the NFL hawk back and spit a big old fat loogie right in your face before you finally stop being treated this way? The NFL does this stuff because they can get away with this stuff. because they know no matter what they do, Black Lives Matter this and celebrate rapist that and Bad Bunny this, that nobody could ever turn the game off for more than 35 seconds. And it really drives me crazy at this point in time. It drives me nuts.

But, you know, I was about to criticize the NFL. I take that back. If you can't turn the channel off at this point in time, honestly, that's on you. That's right. It is on you. I know Turning Point is organizing its own alternative halftime show when we get the details of that specifically will bring it to you. But yeah, you should not watch the Super Bowl halftime show unless you want to support

that guy and his messaging. And even if you want to watch Super Bowl, you turn it off during the halftime. Trust me, when I was in cable news, we would get the minute by minutes. You'd be able to tell segment by segment what people watched and what they didn't watch. And if you turn it off, when they get to that halftime show, it will send the NFL a message that you do not support people who do not support our law enforcement officers, including ICE. on the subject of, you know, ice and the ridiculous, you know, the whistle on the lapel as some sort of statement, there was this that hit Twitter today. In Minnesota, a bunch of, I mean, they look like theater kids. Somebody tweeted it out. I thought it was very clever saying, I'm going to have to call for the deportation of all theater kids again, which I have a theater kid. So it's tongue in cheek. But it is absurd what they're doing. They actually filmed a video.

of themselves raising the Minnesota state flag in the model of Iwo Jima. They went out there and, like, raised the flag. It kind of looks like the Somali flag, but it's the Minnesota flag. Is it a video that we have you guys that will show up? No, it's a SOT. Yeah, it's a SOT. Let's watch it. 19A. It's posed exactly like Iwo Jima. And they put this music on. It's amazing. Okay, this is posted by Anton Truer, who is an Ojibwe author, professor and public speaker, whose work focuses on indigenous language revitalization, education, and cultural understanding, a descendant of a leech, Lake, and white earth bands of Ojibwe. He's written more than 20 books on Native American history and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, desperate for attention. The Battle of Iwo Jima was one of the

bloodiest in the war. It took place in Japan, and our Marines were the ones who raised that flag after having arrived. It wasn't exactly like Omaha Beach. It was like an ash-covered beach because it was at the foot of a volcano. And there was no place to hide. There was no cover. The Japanese never surrender. And after this incredibly bloody battle involving some 70,000 of our troops, we won and raised our flag via our Marines. And now these idiot no-nuffings want to raise the Minnesota state flag as though their Marines protecting the country again against fascism. Yes.

That was Mount Sirabachi on Igbojima. There we go. You know everybody should know. And I know this because when I went through Marine Corps boot camp, they made us learn every single inch of that battle. It's one of the great moments in Marine Corps history. Not that I'm a huge homer at all or anything like that, Megan, when it comes to my beloved core. But that aside, these people do tell people they're fighting a war, and they say it often

enough that the people in this country, the hardcore leftists in this country, they believe that. And for normal human beings or hardcore right-wingers like me, that's ridiculous. And it's, you roll your eyes and stuff like that. But Nazi Hitler, Nazi Hitler, Nazi Hitler, fascism over and over and over and over and over again, does program the easily programmable. and that's why they do this stuff. And that's why you see people like Alex Prattie and Renee Good going out in the streets and doing the most bonkers thing, stuff that will obviously get you either hurt or killed. And we ask our says, we sit back and wonder, how could you do that?

Why would you do that? Of course, that's going to end up badly. But again, for the easily programmable, Democrat politicians and scumbags in the media over and over and over again, telling them they're fighting Nazis, telling them they're fighting Hitler, it leads to action. Language leads to mindset and mindset leads to performance. And so you tell these people this over and over and over again. Eventually they stop scrolling on TikTok and they freak out and they throw their phone down and they get in a car and then gas the engine and slam it into an ice agent.

And soon you're dead. Your girlfriend doesn't have you anymore to beat up on. And now everyone's wondering how could they do this? Well, this happens when you get programmed with this ridiculousness over and over and over again. They do all this stupid theater kid stuff. Those were your words, not mine making, by the way, but you're so right. They do all this stupid theater kid stuff because it's effective on some people. And for normal people with jobs and lives and things like that, it's ridiculous.

But the foot soldiers who go out and march in the streets and blow their stupid whistles and do things to get themselves hurt, they don't have lives. This is their life. This is their struggle. what you've given them is meaning. You've given them something, a higher cause. Everyone wants to serve a higher cause. And if you're sitting at home, you're broken, your solace, your drug addled, you're

on your 10th annex of the day, and you watch your 18,000's TikTok video telling you Donald Trump is Adolf Hitler, you might just march out thinking it's Mount Sarabachi. You might. And they go out and they do this. And there are real consequences to it. the um and a word in defense of actual theater kids their kids and they're in school and they're doing what they should do which is extracurricular activities these losers are adults who are cosplaying being teenagers who for whom it is appropriate and these adults for whom it is not are making fools

of themselves um and speaking of that don lemon so he showed up i know sorry did this has just been like abuse of you this hour jesse it's very wrong of me He showed up in court the other day to see whether he'd have bail or not. He's in his little light cream suit with his light cream shirt, collarless, underneath it. He walks in, the mayor of L.A. is there, Karen Bass, waiting for him. She showed up. Solidarity. He reportedly blew her a kiss. She reportedly winked at him, his big supporter. He did not have to pay any bail. he didn't have to enter a plea yet. He, the prosecution wanted his travel limited to Minneapolis and New York where he lives.

The judge said absolutely not. No limitations whatsoever. Does not have to surrender his passport because he has a preexisting trip that he takes every year, Jesse, to France. And he doesn't want to miss his annual vacation. So he's allowed to go to Paris, France, in his white suit. maybe with his BFF Karen and the other Karen to whom he's married, which is a white man, which is shocking because he really fucking hates white men except for this one.

And getting treated just like any other felon, any other accused felon, Jesse, I'm sure would have gotten the same thing. And not to mention black man, right? Black men in America, aren't we told by the Don Lemons of the world that they can't catch a fair shake, that the system stacked, this is why we need to abolish prisons, seems pretty good to be a black man named Don Lemon in the system's care. And Don Lemon is very much enjoying his two minutes of relevance and talking reflectively about what it is that makes him so special.

Here he is from his own Friday night show in SOT 12. We were always taught when I worked in corporate media that the news is a star. That's bullshit. If the news was a star, everybody would have the same ratings. And everybody doesn't have the same ratings. The journalists are the stars. The people who are delivering the news. Those are the stars.

And the people who do it well, do well. They get the ratings and they get the respect. So it is an actually having come from that. And now I understand that what my star quality is, that is being honest and authentic and telling the truth. He's wearing a shirt. Like he always does, this says something about himself. Lemon Live, Lemonhead, whatever.

That's what makes him special. Star qualities are honesty and authenticity, Jesse, which is why he hosted the biggest loser of a show on CNN for years. The only reason they kept him is because, as he reminded them, he was black and gay. His ratings always sucked. Trust me, I was there. We had about 20 times his numbers over on Fox, and that's in the 10 o'clock hour, which is not as prestigious or competitive as the 9 o'clock hour or the 8 o'clock hour. He was already relegated to 10. He could not bring it home.

He always sucked. It was middling at best. But now he wants you to know he was a star who drove the news thanks to not just his authenticity, but his honesty, Jesse Kelly, his honesty. Well, he's getting famous with no talent. And Megan, you obviously have a much more illustrious TV career than I could ever have. But I will tell people this about television because they may not know this. The Megan Kelly show has to be good every five minutes, every 10 minutes.

You have to begin the whole show. You can't punt on any part of it. Not that you can punt on television, but in television A-block, the opening of the show, your monologue is by far the most important part, and I mean by a mile the most important part. That's why any news show you watch, generally if the host is any good, they will monologue in the A-block. The biggest indictment of Don Lemon's talent or lack thereof is Don Lemon used to have Chris Cuomo stay over after his show, to do the monologue with him. That may mean nothing to someone who doesn't understand television.

I am telling you right now that is essentially giving your television host a handicap sticker because they cannot do the most important thing they have to do. That is how talentless and lost Don Lemon is. He hung on as long as he possibly could, as you said, because he's black and gay, that's too critically important boxes you have to check if you're a company like CNN. and now he finally gets arrested and he gets to play the martyr. And of course, some kuky-kami judge is going to let him go off to France where he can blow kisses at everybody.

And nobody's surprised that Don Lemon is into light cream. Either way, Don Lemon's going to get out of this whole thing, Scott Free. The only good news with this whole thing is it's going to cost him a million dollars in legal fees. And that in and of itself is something. I don't want to blackfill everybody. Yes, he's probably going to end up skating on the whole thing. but a million dollars is not chump change and having to go to court, having to go through trial,

having to know there's a possibility that you need soap on the rope for the next five years is enough mental anguish to punish him at least in some way. So it's something, it's not nothing. I'm glad we went out and arrested him because just because you have a TV camera doesn't mean you get to engage in acts of terrorism against people worshipping Jesus, but maybe we should all be happy Don Lemon, and finally with the church. Yeah, honestly, yeah, good point. I've been thinking about this because it's absolutely the case that the arrest has made him more relevant than he's ever been.

I mean, that's not saying much. He was never relevant. But at least to put him in the news in a way that's, I'm sure, exciting for Don. But that's not the point because people say, oh, it's just going to, like, make him a martyr. That's not the point. He broke the law. He committed multiple felonies. And why shouldn't he be held to account?

Why do old ladies who show up at abortion clinics to pray have to go through this process and get charged with felonies by Joe Biden and get sentenced to three years in prison? And then when Don Lemon violates part B of the same statute, does he get off just because he had a microphone with him? No, that there are principles, there's the rule of law, and it does apply to everybody. And you cannot have one rule for Nakima, the black lady who led. that protest and a different one for Don Lemon because he had his little microphone on while he was telling people they needed to deal with the trauma. That's all part of it, little boy who's crying. That's all part of it. Sorry, that's not the way the law works. Well, I hate to disagree with you, Megan, but that's not the way the law works in this country anymore.

That's the way you're right. That's the way the law should work. But you and I both understand there are these little communist-controlled featoms. There are portions of our just system in this country, there is no law anymore. Depends on which side you are on. How many times have we already, how many times have you covered a story about somebody who tried to ram an ice agent and boom, Democrat jury lets him off scot free? Why are all those wonderful pro-lifers sitting in prison? Because they got sent into a communist control justice system where all you had to do is show that you were pro-life and your butts go into federal prison for five to ten years. Whereas a communist who walks into a system like that is never going to get arrested for anything

certainly never going to go to prison for anything. If there's videotape of them doing what they did, they're never going to go to prison. I want to live in a country where there's one law for everybody. That's the kind of country we used to have. But because communists believe in using power to aid their friends and punish their enemies, there are portions of this country, but that simply does not exist. We have judges in Wisconsin helping illegals escape out the courtroom so they don't get deported. We have Daniel Penny in New York City where they tried to send him to prison for protecting people. All this was done on camera, by the way. Kyle Rittenhouse would be in prison for the rest of his natural life if every single time Dick and Harry didn't have a cell phone and record

what actually happened. We do not have one law for everybody in this country. I wish to God we did, but that's not the world in which we live. And if you live in a blue area, I highly suggest you mind your P's and Q's because this has gone all the way down to the cops, the DAs, the city council, the mayor, the judges, you got no friends left. Last one, Jamel Hill, the other night on CNN, listen to this on the Lemon case. We need to remind ourselves of the racial element of this. There is a reason why I think Donald Trump not only picked independent journalists, but black journalists in particular.

Clearly we know there's no love loss between Don Lemon and Donald Trump, that he's been very critical of the president. The president, they've gone back and forth. But if we go back and undo all the layers of all of this, it was black journalists that were really at the forefront of calling Donald Trump out from the birtherism movement throughout a lot of the things that they saw early before the rest of the press really picked up on some of the things that concerned a lot of black journalists.

Okay. So we're going after Don because he's black, Jesse. I almost forgot that it was Black History Month, and you can just invent Black History now in the United States of America. Like Black journalists were the only ones calling out Donald Trump. Look, Chimel Hill is, like, if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. She's been doing this throughout her sports career, through her fake journalist's career. Everything's racism. Black people are always oppressed. Everyone's freaking tired of hearing about the whole daggone thing. She's got about four or five years left, and then finally she'll fade away, and we don't have to deal with this crap anymore.

And that, too, we'll be due to white supremacy. Of course. Jesse Kelly's little red book is available at jessie Kelly.com. Check it out. You get more of his brand of wisdom, which we love. Thank you, my friend. Appreciate you, as always. Love you, me.

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Order today at Riverbendranch.com and use the promo code Megan, M-E-G-Y-N, for, 20 bucks off your first order. 2026 has been a big year for legal stories here on the MK show. Earlier this month, we went to the Supreme Court and heard oral arguments on keeping boys out of girls' sports in schools. We're very optimistic that the country will get a win there. There's Don Lemon's indictment, plus new arrests in that case today of the church protesters,

those who disrupted the service as it went on that Lemon joined it. Today we have the perfect guest for all of it, and his name is Jonathan Turley, former colleague of mine at Fox News. He's a George Washington law professor and the best-selling author of The Indispensable Right. And now he has a new book out. Comes out tomorrow and it's called Rage and the Republic. The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution. Go and pre-order it right now. It is out in time for the 250th. Professor Jonathan Turley, great to see you again. How are you? Great to see you, Megan. Great to see you indeed. Congrats on the book. All right. So give us the next.

version of what it's about and why now? You know, the book actually looks at the founding and the future of the American Republic. The first half looks back at how we created this unique republic that became the most successful and most stable and the oldest democracy in history. In looking at that, it explores both the American and French revolutions to explain why one became a stable democracy and one became the reign of terror. And the second half of the book looks forward and says, what can we learn from that experience to deal with some of the challenges that are unfolding in the 21st century? And they are immense, everything from robotics to AI to

global governance. These are things that are going to present challenges of a size we have not encountered before. But what we are seeing is a sort of crisis of faith on the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. You have law professors and pundits and politicians suggesting that the Constitution's a failure, that we should scrap it. And that is something that we've heard before. And so this book looks at a simple question that a Frenchman asked in a very popular book in the 1700s, he simply asked, who then is this American? You know, when we were founded, people were fascinated by this new group of human beings called Americans. And we're going to have to try to answer that question of who we were then

and who we are now if we're going to face what's coming. I mean, I'm actually in the middle of a Ben Franklin, Ben Franklin biography, the one by Isaacson. It's really good. And it has me asking all the time, God, what would he think if he could see the nation now? You know, he was a Puritan. He wasn't really into it, but he was part of that tradition. And, you know, you forget about how puritanical we were and how that word has become universally referred to as negative because they were so judgmental. He wasn't. He was much more relaxed. But just you look around. on the country today, we just finished with the Grammys or everybody's half naked with their body completely exposed and the way they behave up there and calling for us to allow all the immigrants

in because no, you can't have an illegal on a land that is stolen. Like, I just think these founders, and you write a lot about James Madison in the book, wouldn't believe their eyes or ears. And I think, quite frankly, they'd be horrified. Well, Megan, I'm so glad that you raised Benjamin Franklin, who plays a big role in the book. The book, actually explores much of this history through the eyes of Thomas Payne, who was one of only two figures that played a great role in both the American and French revolutions, the other being Lafayette. But it really looks at Payne, who may be the quintessential American. He arrived on these shores a human wreck. He had to be carried off the ship. He had failed in everything he had ever tried

in his life, from marriages to being fired at every job. And yet he arrived two years before the Declaration of Independence, and within two years, he was called the penman of the revolution. There was only one person who saw anything in that mound of wreckage. And that was a man he ran into in London, Benjamin Franklin. And he looked at this penniless individual was called a drunkard. He was unkept. He was a total failure. and Benjamin Franklin saw something in him

and sent him to the United States to write. And he ended up writing the first bestseller, common sense, that was credited by many with being the spark that caused the American Revolution. Even his critics, by the way, John Adams, who didn't like Payne, sort of jealous of pain because he was a newcomer, admitted to his wife that in the first meeting with pain,

there was a recollection that there was this, odd writer that had, quote, genius in his eyes. And I think that's what Benjamin Franklin saw in London. Yeah, Payne, who, like people were kind of talking about revolution, but not taking it seriously. And then he wrote common sense. And that thing caught fire and gave real voice to it in a way that would be critical to the actualization of us leaving and declaring ourselves an independent nation and throwing off the reins of the king. So what do you, like, what do you think? Jonathan. Because you know, look around today, more and more, I hear people jokingly, but like, kind of wistfully saying we need to break up all over again. We, like, we're so different left

and right in this country now. There's really no common ground. We really should be to Americas now. There should be a red America and a blue America because we can't even understand the other side. We're getting shot and killed by the other side if you're a conservative. Yeah, the, you know, the book looks at what I call the rise of the new Jacobins. And, you know, the original Jacobins were much like those today. They were not the proletariat. They were the aristocrats.

They were. But explain who they were. The French Revolution was led by the Jacobins who created the terror. And these were professors, and they were low-level aristocrats, and they were journalists. And they unleashed the terror, guillotining people left and right, thousands were put to death. And ultimately, the Jacobins themselves fell victim to their own rage. You know, the book starts with a quote from one of the, you could say he was the Thomas

Payne of the French Revolution. And they asked him, you know, what did you do during the Revolution? He said, I survived, which was a rare thing because, you know, I quote another Frenchman who said that revolution is like Saturn. devours its own. Well, the French Revolution did devour its own. All of those Jacobins called the mountain were executed. You know, Ropes Pierre, Marat, all of them ended up dying. And the book asks, why? Why did the American Revolution become a stable democracy? And why did this become a bloodletting? Well, I asked that same question with the new Jacobins, who are coming from many of the

same class structure. And you have even the dean of Berkeley Law School saying the American Constitution is a failure. One of my colleagues wants to amend the First Amendment because she says it's too aggressively individualistic, which is the point. It is, right? Because the one thing the book points out is that we were the Enlightenment Revolution. We were the first revolution of the Enlightenment. And it was based on this idea that we deserved, we demanded rights given to us by God, not by the government, these natural rights. No revolution had ever been fought on that basis. It's interesting. Right now, I'm just at the beginning of the book and they're writing about how Franklin worked for his older brother on a newspaper that he started called the, I think, the New England Quran. And that that newspaper and his older brother, who Benjamin Franklin did not like, was very much skeptical of government, very much not wanting to be controlled by government, wanted to get those reins off of us.

And even though Benjamin frankly didn't wind up liking this brother, who was very tough on him, he appears to have inherited or at least shared that trait with him in a way that would become very important to the way we live our lives, even to this moment. And that I just feel like between the Biden administration for the right and now the Trump administration for the left, I think there's a very strong strain of American that wants a smaller executive and wants less governmental power over our lives. But no matter how much we say that, we seem to go the opposite direction these days. So do you think we'll ever get back to the point where we have a small government and we certainly have a small executive branch

with as little power as possible over us? Well, you know, Rachel in the Republic addresses that and asks whether we can return to first principles. And one of those principles, those principles is that all rights like government should be local held closest to the people. That includes reinforcing federalism and state rights against the national government. It also means opposing global governance systems like the EU. Also what I call corporate feudalism, these large corporations that control much of social media. We have to resist these efforts to globalize democracy and then kill democracy. Now, that can actually be done because it's in our DNA. If you look at the founders, they believe strongly in this. One of the things I argue for in the book is that we need to

rediscover what I call a liberty-enhancing economy. The book is an unabashed case for capitalism, which is also under attack. What many people don't realize is that in 1776, same year as a Declaration of Independence, you had the publication of Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith. Now, it was not a big success in Great Britain, but it was a success here. The founders recognized his economic theory as the perfect companion to their political theory, because they believed that you couldn't have true liberty, true independence, unless you had economic independence. So one of the things I dress in the region of the republic is when we have a combination of robotics and AI, we're looking at a massive loss of jobs. And we also look at the possibility of a large unemployed population.

And the book explores what does that do to a citizen's relationship to the state? Because the framers didn't want that. You know, if you, you can't have a kept population without having citizens begin to change their view of the state. And so what the book talks about is how we can can preserve a liberty-enhancing economy to make sure that people do not develop that dependency or become some types of arts. They are. Right. I mean, we're already seeing that in some pockets, to your point. Again, we're talking with Jonathan Turley. He's a professor at George Washington University, and his new book is Rage and the Republic, the unfinished story of the American Revolution. It's available starting tomorrow, you can get your book right now on pre-order, Rage and the Republic,

again, speaking of those people who are already leaning into dependence on the government and thinking the government owes them everything, New York City is now being governed by a Democratic socialist who seems to be really leaning in on the socialism in a way that's shocking to many of us. It's just shocking that we would elect somebody like that as the mayor of New York. And it was very interesting to see over this past week because not this, not yesterday, but a week earlier, there was a big snowstorm that hit the northeast, hit most of the country, including the northeast. It dumped about a foot and a half to two feet of snow around here. And I lived in New York for 14 years.

It doesn't, it takes a while to dig out of the storm. It doesn't take eight days. And this was just a taste of what people were seeing. It was not only cars completely snowed in, but it was garbage everywhere. The sanitation's not going well. He's not doing a very good job of running such a large city. And here is actor Michael Rappaport showing some of it on his socials yesterday, Sot 34. Look at this shit.

Look at this shit. This poor bastard ain't getting out until the spring. Look at this. Dirt a week after the snowstorm. Look at this dirty shit on. Look at this. I don't know what this guy's going to do. this guy

call your insurance company look at this dirt where's the mayor clean this like garbage everywhere dirty snow

what do you do with this where's your shovel now mandami and this is on the upper east side three minutes from where the mayor lives look at look at this guy look at this shit

look at this shit this guy's never getting this guy's never getting look at it Look at this. Look at this. It's the reality of New York City one month. Where's the salt?

Where's the shovels? Where's the plows? It wasn't just Rapaport. Deborah Messing, the actress, posted on her social media, a picture of herself sitting in a taxi, writing, sitting in a taxi trying to get to an appointment should take 20 minutes. We are at an hour and 10 and counting. The streets are a disaster. It hasn't snowed in five days, and the streets still haven't been cleared.

poor ambulance sitting in essentially a parking lot with sirens going, praying for the person needing emergency care. I've lived here for 15 years, and this has never happened. The plows have always worked around the clock to get the city back to working. I wonder what happened. She's being facetious. She knows what happened. She was a Cuomo supporter. Hang in there, New Yorkers. But this is a pretty good example, Jonathan, of what does happen when you have a no-nothing take over a city as large as New York and say, communism is the answer. Well, it is funny because I talk about Mondami in the book because there's a section on the rise of socialism. This is a increase in the polls that's largely driven by young people, not just the United States, but Great Britain and in Europe. These are young voters who never knew or have any memory of the collapse of socialist governments in the 20th century. So what they hear are these spokesmen like Mondi.

talking about introducing them to the warmth of collectivism. They don't have an inkling of how this socialist approach has a perfect failure rate. You know, the book talks about how when Mitt Duran was selected president of France, you know, he was, he made many of the same statements as Mondami. He even appointed a minister of leisure. So he told the public that they would have a minister who would help them with all the leisure, that they, they were the leisure time that they would be gaining. And of course, he shredded the economy. It just collapsed. But the same year he went into office, a unknown socialist was elected

mayor of Burlington, Vermont, and that was Bernie Sanders. And, you know, much of the, the whole mantra here with socialism only occurs, it only succeeds without any knowledge of history or economics. But it's one of those things that we have to address. One of the things I like about the Trump accounts, by the way, is because it's not an abstraction. I can talk about Adam Smith all day long, but it's not going to register.

But it is an interesting concept that people can actually have a tangible exercise in saving money and watching it grow and watching it be invested. That's something that we haven't seen. That's where you can put $1,000 in a bank account for your baby if he or she is born during the Trump administration and watch it appreciate over years. That's right. And you had the Dells contribute just an absolutely breathtaking amount of

money to cover these accounts. We have to, we have to think creative. Hundreds of billions. Yeah, hundreds of billion. It's absolutely right. But, you know, we have to do things like that, to be creative to so that we can, we can save this generation. Because, you know, we obviously socialism is going to fail again. You know, he's selling things like state-controlled, you know, stores, which have been abysmal failures, and they will fail again. But we can save a lot of that pain. If we can show young people that the ultimate empowerment, the ultimate vehicle towards liberty, is to be economically independent. Yeah. My crack team says it's $6.25 billion that Michael Del and his wife donated towards these accounts, which you haven't, if you haven't, if you had a baby

in the past year or you're pregnant and expecting one within the next three, get on board. It's a great idea. Okay, let's, again, the book is Rage and the Republic, the unfinished story of the American Revolution by Jonathan Turley, professor and Fox News contributor, and pal of yours truly. I want to talk to you about a couple of legal stories that are in the news, including what's happening in Minneapolis. Now, we've been covering on this show since Tom Homan went out to Minneapolis and said, I spoke with the Attorney General Keith Ellison, and he's cleared the way for us to start

cooperating with the jails before they release illegal immigrants out into the community, illegals who have been arrested for something who are sitting in the county jail. They're going to start cooperating with ICE again. They're going to let us know, you know, Joe Schmo's getting out this Friday so that we don't have to go track him down in his neighborhood and cause a big ruckus, we'll just get him at the jails. Like we do in other cities that are not sanctuaries. And I said to the audience, as soon as Tom Holman said that, no, I don't buy it because this is a sanctuary city policy that the AG, well, I mean, first he cited the governor. The governor doesn't have control over because it's a city and county

thing. And I said, I want to hear from Mayor Fry. And I want to hear from the sheriff of Hennepin County, which is Minneapolis. Well, wouldn't you know, now the New York Times, The Daily, has finally stumbled on to this problem. They did their whole show about something we covered on our show at length last week, acknowledging the same problem. And Tom Homan went on with Hannity on Friday night, and buried in the long exchange was an admission that this is not a done deal. The sheriff has not said yes to this.

He's only, quote, working toward it, which with respect to Tom Holman is meaningless right now. Nothing has changed. Here was that exchange. You met with Walls. You met with Fry. You met with Ellison. And Fry, after you met with him, said, I also made it clear Minneapolis does not and will not enforce federal immigration law. Okay.

What does that mean? How do you interpret that? And is he violating the law by not a system? or not turning over illegal criminals that are in their justice system? Well, here's where we have, Sean, meeting with the governor and AG and Mayor Fry. Here's what we came out with. The state prison system will honor our retainers. So we will continue to take those people in the custody of a safety and security of a facility,

and not have to go on the street and look for them. The AG said that sheriffs can honor our retainers, and I'm meeting with sheriffs across the state. to give us prior notification. Excuse me. He didn't say that would honor or detainers said they can notify us before they release them. And so give us time to get there and take them into custody and safety and security facility. And we're working on that.

So if we get that cooperation, which we're working on, we've got some commitments here. That means we can draw down on the number of agents there because we're into jails. Okay. I love Tom Homan, but that's very optimistic for a city that has voted for San Francisco. Sanctuary City status. The vast majority of Minneapolis residents are on the streets right now from the look of it. Protesting ICE and not in a mood to lift the sanctuary city policies, professor. And so you tell me there is no obligation.

Is there for the locals, unfortunately, to help the federal government on immigration enforcement? No. The Supreme Court has handed down a series of cases that are called anti-commoderring cases. And those cases say that state and local officials cannot be required to carry out federal law. So it is up to them. You're certainly right that the political environment does not bode well in cities like Minneapolis and Portland. So we're going to continue to have this tension over the enforcement of immigration laws. And you have President Trump issuing a true social the other night because we saw uprisings in Los Angeles, in Oregon, again in Minneapolis, and in, I think it was it L.A. or Oregon where they went into the federal building.

He said, we're not, it was in Oregon. He said, we are expecting and demanding the locals to protect those buildings. But if you don't, we will protect our federal agents and our federal buildings. But we are not going to protect your cities from riots. That is a you thing. That's a local thing. If you ask us, if you say, please, we will send the feds in and we will provide protection as we've done elsewhere. But we don't actually have to do that. So he seems to be kind of getting to the end of his rope here with this local obstruction saying, if you're going to have riots, that's your problem. Like, you want to burn your own city down? Go ahead and burn it. We're not going to let you burn anything that's federal related. And by the way, we expect you to help us in that effort. So does he have like the responsibilities correct? No, he does, and he also has the authority.

You know, notably you had Keith Allison, who by the way, before he became Attorney General, was waving around a copy of the Antifa Handbook and praising them for putting the fear of God into Trump and his allies. That's the Attorney General of Minnesota. And he involved in others filed this frivolous lawsuit to try to prevent the enforcement of not just immigration laws, but the increase of personnel to investigate fraud. And the result, as many of us predicted, was that even a Biden-appointee judge dismissed it and said, I can't do that.

That would be unconstitutional. But more importantly, you haven't stated a single ground upon which to show that this is unlawful, that I could enjoin this effort. So that's just the latest victory by the administration. their authority here is clear. It doesn't mean that they can't violate that authority. You know, they're investigating the pretty shooting.

There's legitimate questions there. And so they're going to investigate it like other shootings and make a determination if this was unlawful. But in terms of the authority, they clearly have that authority. Yes. And what we're seeing now, though, is bit by bit, what I think looks like judicial coups against the administration on its immigration policy, like this past weekend, when we had a judge down in Texas where the little boy was brought, the five-year-old boy who the left made so much news about last week, he was taken into federal custody with his dad two weeks ago. His dad, DHS says, is an illegal

immigrant. His lawyer claims he's an asylum seeker. DHS says that's not true. He's an illegal immigrant. And DHS went or ICE Customs Border Patrol. I can't remember. which agency it was, but they went to arrest him, and he ran, leaving his five-year-old boy, sitting alone in the car. They tried then to get the mother who was inside the house to take the boy. She refused, so he was without a custodial parent at the moment. Finally, they caught the dad. They brought the dad back to the car. They said, you're getting deported. We're shipping you down to Texas and a holding facility, and then you're going. He already had an order of removal. And they said, what do you want us to do with your son? Would you like your wife to take him inside?

or you can take him. It's up to you. We don't have the power to separate you from your child. If you want to take him home to you as you're being deported, I think back to Guatemala, you can. And he said, that's what I want. I want to take my boy with me. So they shipped him down to Texas to the holding facility.

And from there, he will be shipped back home or would have been, had it not been for the intervention of a federal judge down there who got involved and said, oh, no, no, no, no. We're not doing that. We are actually releasing this little boy and his father. father and put them on a plane, at least according to NPR, back to Minnesota, where reportedly they are now. He released them, definitely did order them released from the federal facility. And here, listen to this insanity, Jonathan, in this ruling, it's a Clinton-appointed U.S.

District Judge Fred Beery, B-I-E-R-Y, on Saturday directing the government officials to release them both. Father and son, the son is Liam Ramos. This opinion is wild. Three pages. He calls Trump's mass deportation policy ill-conceived and incompetently implemented. He accuses the Trump administration of being ignorant of the anti-King's sentiment of the Declaration of Independence and the Fourth Amendment. He says immigration administrative warrants do not pass probable cause muster. He then says the following. Observing human behavior confirms that for some among us, the perfidious lust, that means dishonest, perfidious lust for unbridled power and the imposition of cruelty in its quest know no bounds and are bereft of human decency and the rule of law be damned.

I'm almost done. He says the U.S. needs a more orderly and humane policy for deportation, which is a totally inappropriate judgment for a justice or a judge sitting in a robe. That's a congressional determination. And he ends it by quoting Benjamin Franklin, our friend, saying the Republican is only being saved by a judicial finger in the constitutional dyke. He signs the opinion on a day that does not exist, the 31st of February. And then he includes the viral picture of little Liam in his dog snow hat, as well as citations to two Bible verses. Professor Turley, you tell me what's happening with his opinion here. No, we've seen that before, Megan. And in my view, it is inappropriate.

and it's chilling for judges to step down from the bench and try to engage in this political debate. If he has grounds for his action, he should state them, allow the rest of the debate to occur among citizens and the government. In this case, you had what I wrote about earlier as the bait boy hoax that the boy was being used as bait to arrest the mother. many of the same people who piled on with the false migrant whipping story a few years ago were the very same people that piled on this one, including Harris and other Democratic leaders. And it was this like that was false. And so, you know, the problem here is that those are just politicians and pundits. This is a judge.

And he has to convey some degree of neutrality. to the American people. And obviously, this hyperbole doesn't do that. But many of these district court judges have been reversed by court of appeals. And eventually they're going to get the message. Yeah, I hope you're right. I mean, there was another judge in better news. I was encouraged by this who I think was also a Clinton appointee,

although I don't think she had any, no, it was a Biden appointee. She had any choice. U.S. District Judge Catherine Menendez, who the angry left in Minnesota, Jacob Fry and Co. filed a lawsuit in front of her. They sued the Trump administration to block the deployment of increased federal resources for the purposes of immigration enforcement, saying it infringed on the state's 10th Amendment police powers

was a violation of equal sovereignty under the Constitution and other bases, asking for a preliminary and permanent injunction. And she said no with ease. This is a Biden appointee who said, you don't have it. This has not crossed a constitutional line. This is clearly within the purview of the feds. And I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stop them because whether I like it or I don't like it is kind of irrelevant. They have the power to do it.

Yeah, notably Menendez is viewed as a fairly hostile judge to the Trump administration. She was just reversed for one of her earlier decisions against the Trump administration. And yet she told the governor and attorney general and the mayor that, that you cannot enjoy the federal enforcement of the law. And yet Fry says, we're going to appeal this, like a bad gambler at Vegas, he's going to double down on this bad case. There is no way that this will ever succeed. He's just going to create more precedent against them. Exactly, because the feds are entirely within their purview to enforce federal immigration law.

and while, as we discussed, when we kick this off, they cannot force the states to help them. They can do what they need to do in order to secure the border. And the states do have an obligation not to actively try to thwart the law being enforced by the feds. But we cannot mandate that they help, and they certainly cannot mandate that the feds stop. All right, let's go to pause here, take a quick break. Don't forget, in the break, go ahead and pre-order. Professor Jonathan Turley's new book, it's great in time for the 250th, would be a great present for anybody who's got a birthday, a father's day, a mother's day between now and then,

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And use code Magan for 10% off your entire order. That's sauna. dot space slash Megan. Code Magan for 10% off. Back with me now, Jonathan Turley. He is the author of the brand new book, Rage and the Republic. the unfinished story of the American Revolution. It's out tomorrow. Go get it right now. All right, Professor, let's talk about the Don Lemon case. I think you and I may disagree on this one. I believe that

they were right to charge him because he did go into a church. He did behave more as protester than journalists, but I think even as a journalist, he is exposed to liability because while he could have gone into some public venue with his microphone, he didn't. He went into private property, which a church is. He was told specifically by the pastor to leave, which he then didn't. And unfortunately for Don Lemon, there is a right by churchgoers to be left alone. And so while these antics might have flown had he been on truly public property, they're not going to fly here, thanks to the FACE Act and the Klan Act, which protects against conspiracies that violate somebody else's rights. And people's right to observe their faith is pretty well established.

So that's why I think Don Lemon's in a lot of trouble, whether they think he was acting as a journalist or not. Do you disagree with me? Well, I agree with much of that. I obviously disagree with Attorney General Allison, who told the people of Minnesota that the Face Act doesn't apply to places of worship. It only applies to abortion clinics, which is just completely untrue. It most certainly does apply in these circumstances. My only issue with the Don Lemon arrest is I think that courts are very likely to view him as engaged in a protected journalistic exercise. That doesn't necessarily mean it will be a complete defense.

We're going to have to see specifically what the conduct alleged would be to support the indictment. Lemon is an example. I actually talk about this in Rage in the Republic because I talk about the press. and the role of the press in what I call mobocracy, you know, that we saw this with the French Revolution, we see it today, where you have journalists that blur the line between the press and advocates.

And as you know, Megan, and J schools now around the country, journalism schools, there's a rejection of objectivity and neutrality in these J schools. And so people like Lemon are sort of the face of that movement that good, journalists are advocates. Well, that makes this a much more difficult question, as you pointed out,

was he there as a journalist or as an advocate? And so Lemon is going to force that issue. It's just that most judges will tend to run home on this First Amendment issue. They will view this as a journalistic exercise. Now, on the last point, I want to note that you said, well, he was told to leave, and that makes this trespass. That is true. there was an important case that was handed down by the Fourth Circuit, which held exactly that, that journalists do not have the right to trespass. And the problem is that those crimes are often prosecuted by the state. Yeah, trespass is the state.

Right. So it's clear the governor and the attorney general have no interest in prosecuting people on the left. like Don Lemon. But, Professor, could I, stick with the FASAC for now? Do you really think that I could go in there with a group of protesters who were trying to block women from getting an abortion? They stormed the abortion clinic. They had chains.

They chained themselves in front of the surgical doors so that no woman could cross. And I'm with them. And I, too, am making it difficult just by my mere presence for somebody to walk in and try to get an abortion. Megan Kelly's there. She's got a camera on me. This is uncomfortable that I would not be charged just because I'm a journalist and I have a right to report. My rights don't give me access everywhere.

I can't go into somebody's surgery or their abortion clinic. And that's written right into the Face Act. And unfortunately for Don Lemon, he did the equivalent of that by going into a church. Well, the fascinating thing on that point, which is an excellent analogy, is that Allison himself has interpreted the Face Act when it comes to pro-life defendants as being unbelievably brought, that he has, it's almost anything to be obstruction. So if you apply the Allison approach, then you're absolutely, absolutely right. It's a really difficult question for a lot of courts of when you cross that line as a journalist. And, you know, my only point is that I think in the end, he's going to have the advantage with these courts.

But, you know, we haven't even seen this unfold in terms of the indicted conduct and what will be presented at trial. I'm just simply saying that I think that the odds probably favor him. They do not favor, in my view, the others who have been charged. I do think that he's going to play that card, but I don't think it's going to be upheld unless there's partisanship. Because I'll just play you this one sound, but we've been covering it very closely. And the indictment does cite a lot of this terrible behavior. behavior. But just let me play one sound bite for you, Professor, of him at the event in the church. And you tell me whether this sounds like journalist or protester. Here it is.

This is the beginning of what's going to happen here. When you violate people's due process, when you pull people off the street and you start dragging them and hurting them and not abiding by the Constitution, when you start doing all of that, people get upset and angry. And if you remember what the civil rights movement was about. The civil rights movement was about these very kinds of protests. And for some reason, in our modern era, people think that in order to have protests, you've got to be cordoned off to a certain area and what time you can protest. There's nothing in the Constitution that tells you what time you can protest.

You can protest at any time. That's the whole point of it, is to disrupt, to make uncomfortable. And that's what they're doing. And that's what I believe. When I say everyone has to be willing to sacrifice something, you have to make people uncomfortable in these times. If you see how uncomfortable people, uncomfortably and how harsh people are being treated on the streets, you have to be willing to go into places and disrupt and make people

uncomfortable. That is what this country is about. Yeah, it's an extraordinary. I'm so glad you did show that passage. This is the guy who just last night got out. standing ovation and an award ceremony by folks in Hollywood. What they don't show, by the way, when he says that this is supposed to make people uncomfortable is the child being cradled by his father because he's terrified because he came there to a church service and found himself in the

middle of what seemed to be a building riot. And you also do, I think that your point is a good one, Megan, that it is hard to see that as journalism. It seems to me to be advocacy. But this is something that the courts are really struggling with in good faith. One of the things we've seen from the left in a lot of these protests has been that Antifa and other groups have donned press vests. And by simply pulling out their phones, they say that were press. You also saw this sort of use of legal observer status. You know, Renee Good said that she was a legal observer before that shooting. I've represented legal observers in courts in protest cases. That was not a legal observer. That was a participant. She was actively blocking ice. And so we're going to have to, the court's going to have to sort of weed through this to try

to draw some lines here. But Don Lemon may succeed in forcing this issue. As as J schools crank out more activist journalists, courts are going to have to make a decision of when you become more an activist than a journalist? I mean, I think it's interesting because we should just know what he was there doing, but I don't think my own personal opinion and my legal opinion is it doesn't matter. The FACE Act does not have an exception for a journalist. If I as a journalist go into an abortion clinic with my mic and my camera, I am 100% going to get arrested under a Democrat administration anyway for a FACE Act violation.

Same as Don Lemon got arrested for going to that church. He conspired. That's the other thing. He's been charged with conspiracy against rights, which is a separate claim. And he did conspire with them. He knew in advance. He worked with the leader of the whole thing. He kissed her on the cheek.

He gave coffee and donuts to the people beforehand to get him psyched up. He knew where they were going. He was there from the beginning. He also disrupted the mass, the service. He got in the face of the pastor. The pastor didn't want to be talking to him and told him to leave. He refused. He continued sticking his mic in the faces of the congregants after the pastor had told him to get out.

He knew he wasn't wanted. He stayed anyway. he defended the protest. He watched traumatized children and said trauma is part of it. That's all part of it. And to me, there's just no question that just that he had a microphone is not going to save him for that. It's a violation against rights. And journalists have to obey the law just the same as anybody else does. That we don't have some magical shield against the law by the fact that we have press passes. Well, I think that's the sort of fascinating thing for me. You know, with Rachel the Republic and comparing with the conditions, that existed at our Declaration of Independence with today, many of those Jacobins, those people that guillotines so many of their fellow citizens were journalists. And much like today, they decided that they were advocate journalist

and eventually they became little tyrants because they untethered themselves from their professional role. We're seeing that same thing happened today. And it's something that we need to, address. You know, where does this take us? Where does all this rage take us? You know, that's sort of the point of the book. It's very easy to start a revolution. It's harder to end one. And in that sense, you know, the book talks about sort of two figures, you know, Payne, who was the righteous rage of a revolution. He knew what it took to bring a people to revolution. And James Madison,

who was sort of the pious logic of this republic. He knew what it would take to make a revolution into a republic. And we, that's why a lot of these principles, we have to sort of remember where we came from and how we got here, because people like Don Lemon are cut from the same bolt as many of these early advocates who themselves became sort of petty tyrants. Petty and tyrant both work. Yeah, they work perfectly. What a pleasure to see you again, Professor. The book is called Rage and the Republic. Check it out. Pre-order it now and support. Jonathan Turley and all of his good work. It will make a great present for anybody, especially this year and a very thoughtful one as well. Great to see you. Thank you, Megan. So so much, thanks for

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There is a very disturbing situation out of Arizona involving the mother of NBC news anchor Savannah Guthrie today. Her mother is missing. Her mother, Nancy Guthrie, is missing as of this hour around 2 p.m. Eastern. She lives in Arizona out in Tucson, and she's been missing, they believe, since possibly Saturday night. That was the last anyone saw her. Her mother's 84 years old and was dropped off by a friend back at her house on Saturday evening after a church function, around 945 in the evening. evening was supposed to be at church the next morning and didn't show, which is when they started to worry about her. She did not show up. She lives in a reportedly one million dollar home, so it's a nice home. It's got a swimming pool out in Arizona, and the police are making clear they believe that home is a crime scene. Here is SOT 33C with the Pima County Sheriff Chris

Nanyos. He expended a lot of resources for a missing person. that we typically always do. Our search and rescue volunteers, our search and rescue teams, other agencies, Boar Star from Border Patrol, sent their canines out. They worked tirelessly all day yesterday and all day tonight. I'm sorry, all day yesterday and all last night to know about. As I said yesterday, we saw some things at the home that were concerning to us. We believe now after we process that crime scene that we do in fact have a crime scene, that we do in fact have a crime.

And we're asking the community's help. We do in fact have a crime scene. This is shocking. Joining me now to discuss it is Matt Murphy. He's a former federal prosecutor. And Matt, this sounds about as serious as it can get. You've got, that's the sheriff on camera saying she was 84. She did not have dementia.

She had limited mobility, but saying whatever they see inside of that home has led them to determine that it is a, quote, crime scene. What do you make of that? Well, when it comes to appeals to the public like this, Megan, people tend to come out of the woodwork. I know that she needs, I read that she needs medication every hour or every 24 hours. And if she doesn't get it, that can be fatal for her. so time clearly is of the essence, but they seem pretty sure that a crime took place. We don't know what that information is yet, but these are brutal because it's a race against the clock. And look, this is one of the cases that you see a lot where older people with dementia

wander off, but they've been very affirmative that she was mentally sound. And this is really bad. Yeah, the police officer, well, I mean, the, the sheriff said, we believe she did not leave of her own volition, that she left behind her keys, her ID, her purse, her phone, everything. I mean, now no 84-year-old woman leaves the house without her purse. That is just a fact. They just don't leave without their purses. Never mind their phone or their keys.

And so all of that is left behind, and there's something else in the house I'm gleaning that leads them to believe it is a, quote, crime scene because he said there are other things at the scene that show she did not leave on her own. Maybe he's still referring to her belongings, but maybe there's something more. You know, this is wild speculation here on my part, Megan, because we just don't know the facts yet. But when I was a junior law clerk going all the way back to 1992, I was assigned to a project where a 79-year-old woman was brutally attacked in her home. And, you know, there is no real age limit. And, you know, there is no real age limit. to what sexual predators, and again, there's no evidence to support that other than I'm just sharing

my own personal experience. Like, nobody ages out of that as being a potential victim. And it's... So if you were the prosecutor in this jurisdiction and they looped you in on where do we begin, you would not be rolling out sex predators. I mean, you would be looking at everyone. Be the first place I would look. To be the first place, my detectives would look, no, again, Again, I don't know. We don't know the fact, but right when you start a career as either a police officer or a prosecutor or even the mental health field, you know, this is the shocking reality to the most vulnerable among us, which are the very, very young and the very, very old, the way certain people will pray on them is it undermines your faith in humanity, you know, as we've talked about before, with all the good people that will come out and hopefully help here and hopefully this this poor lady will be recovered safely but um but it's monday now and she was last seen after being dropped off on a church event of all things on saturday night and they are uh it sounds like they are really desperate and again we we don't know all the facts but um

yeah this is uh this does not look good i work homicide for 17 years but i did four years of sex crimes too and this is uh this has says all the scary, scary components of cases that don't end well. Oh, God. The sheriff, this is awful. He said, I want to stress to you, and this is really important. Ms. Guthrie, Nancy Guthrie, is of great sound mind. This is not a dementia-related issue. She is as sharp as attack.

The family wants everybody to know this is not somebody who just wandered off. Her physical limits are based on age. and, you know, we get old, so it's more physical, but she clearly is sharp as attack. So as you point out, it's not a dementia situation, nor does she even sound capable of roaming far. Doesn't sound like she really could, you know, go for the long walk and just get lost or what have you.

Hopefully what they find, Megan, is they will, I mean, and again, I would love to know what they found inside the house. But if her ATM card is gone, maybe somebody kidnapped her and they're going to ATM machines, that would almost be the best case, here. But usually that's going to be a few hours, not a couple of days. But yeah, we just don't have enough. But look, whenever you make an appeal to the public like this, people really want to help. And the problem is that you have limited resources in any missing investigation like this. And

when you make an appeal to the public and you're up against the clock, they're going to get a ton of information from well-meaning people that are going to want to help that leads to nowhere. So you've got to check off all those dead ends. And so this sheriff knows that. Any law enforcement officer who's worked a missing case knows that. So if they've made an appeal to the public like this, they're semi-despirit. And that also is very scary. The sheriff said the following, hold on my team just sent this to me, that the authorities are not aware of any threats against Savannah, who is in Arizona. now. The FBI is aware of the case, and U.S. Customs and Border Protection is also assisting.

Now, that's interesting, Matt, because it's so close to the southern border. But now, I mean, that's a different element. And also her neighbor, Nancy Guthrie's neighbor said they saw her front door open, wide open. I mean, we hadn't really factored in the Mexican border situation. What would you be doing about that? Look, this is one of those things that, I think the term is triggering for me. Okay. We have, and again, this is blind speculation. We just don't know enough, but that case,

I was just telling you about this poor 79-year-old woman. What happened on that, her name was Mary Ward, and she was a 79-year-old Jehovah's Witness who was brutally raped in her home by a drunk immigrant. Okay, and this guy came up, he was a little bit older, and this is not, this is, this is about sex offenders. This is not about politics. Okay.

But there are a lot of places in Central America, particularly Guatemala, El Salvador, a lot of rural areas of Mexico. They're populated by incredibly wonderful, warm people who are also fiercely protective of their families. And what happens, and this is something that nobody talks about, Megan, they have a thing called lincendimentos, which literally stands for the lynchings, because the good people in those areas don't want sex offenders around them any more than we do. And they're fiercely protected with their families, and they will run some of these guys out of town because they don't have functioning judiciary. And technology hasn't caught up with cooperation and law enforcement to the extent that hopefully it will one day. And that was a guy who came up. He was over 30 years old, Mr. Garcia, and we knew nothing about him.

We knew nothing about his background. It was really hard to try to figure out. And the thing is, in that case, that woman was a, she was suffering from terminal cancer. Well, after she was raped, she engaged and experienced the classic symptoms of what is known as rape trauma syndrome, and she died in 31 days. So our task was, can we figure out a homicide liability theory here? And we eventually did. We charged him with murder, but the homicide unit passed on it, and it was tried by the sexual assault deputy, and it was an acceleration of death. It's like if your felony conduct accelerate somebody's death, should that be homicide liability?

I believe very strongly it was. And look, I have had, personally, I've had really good experiences working with local authorities in places like Mexico and some other places in Central America. Because we all agree sex offenders are the worst. And again, blind speculation here, I pray to God that that's not what happened here. But it is in a lot of these border towns in Southern California, it can be an issue just because we don't know who these people are when they come up. And the sex offenders, a lot of times, will get run out of their local towns because if they don't, they will get, they'll get lynched. And nobody ever talks about this, but it's a real thing. It's been studied down there.

And who could blame them. So these guys, they come north. I think vast majority people come up looking for a better life like my ancestors did. But there are certain people that do come up that are running away from this. And as we know, sexual predators don't get better. And sometimes they just go, they go north. Now again, I know I'm going to piss off a bunch of people. Yeah, we don't have any reason to believe.

We don't have any reason to believe. We don't have any reason to believe it. The audience is. But you're asking me based on my experience and this is that. How you would investigate this is the first place my twisted jaundiced brain goes after working those cases for 21 years. So I hope I'm wrong. Because he said that they've got homicide detectives involved. So why would they, you know, he said that they have homicide detectives involved.

We do, in fact, have a crime scene there. There are other things at the scene that show she did not leave on her own. So that is certainly suggesting she was kidnapped. She was taken in some way. I don't know, you know, if kidnapped is the right word, but that she did not leave of her own volition. And she is missing. So that means another person was involved. and what does it tell us, if anything, that homicide is involved?

Like when they make the decision of what cop, what unit is going to go investigate the crime, Matt. How do they figure that out? Well, homicide detectives tend to be the most experienced in the very best. So hopefully, again, I pray that they just brought in their best detectives because it was such an urgent case. And that's not based on any of the evidence that they found at the scene. They just want the best of the best that they have at their disposal to work the case. The fact that the FBI is involved, that's totally appropriate. By the way, Megan, I've had really good experiences on missing cases with working with the FBI.

Those agents tend to be hyper-intelligent, super-dedicated, and really, really impressive police officers. The fact that we got a – which agency did you say Border Patrol that's working at? Yeah, yes. Also, U.S. Customs and Border Protection is also a system. Yeah, that doesn't, that doesn't sound good. But the federal agencies, again, and they are fine, they're fine investigators, and we did, we worked with them as well. I mean, I think I've worked with every federal agency that exists during my time as a prosecutor,

especially when you try to repatriate Americans that have run or foreign nationals that have committed crimes in the United States. I've had, I've worked with everything from the border, the Czechoslovakian border police, you know, the FBI, Mexican homicide units, and by and large, when you're talking about vulnerable old women, people really tend to forget the borders very quickly and work together, hopefully, seamlessly to solve this. I hope that's what's happening here, but this is, this doesn't, this is not a good. I mean, it's possible that she, you know, at 84, you know, you can have a stroke pretty easily. You can, I don't, like, dementia is not something that

hits you all of a sudden, but something could have happened. There could have been some sort of a neurological event that led her to wander in a way that was atypical of her. It could. You know, without her keys, without her purse. Like that, that would be a good scenario if she is just wandering and lost. It's, I mean, the other problem is, to your point, on the border, it's Tucson's 75 miles from the border, from the southern border. It's very close. Now, she didn't walk 75 miles, but somebody easily could have driven up 75 miles. But the one thing we have going for us here, Matt, is that I think she had cameras. I read that there were cameras in her home. Now, I don't know whether they were operational, but you know, the neighbors are going to have a ring camera. In today's day and age,

somebody's got a camera on the house or at least the neighborhood. They were asking for that publicly. That was one of the things. Now, if she did have cameras on her house, that may be why they're so sure that this was actually a crime. You know, and look, my mom had a Megyn. And she had a series of strokes that ultimately she passed away because of it a couple years ago. But she started to wander. And strokes do hit people suddenly. So hopefully it's something like that. But I did see the sheriff say that they were that they were searching for her last night using thermal cameras. They were searching the area. And they met with negative results.

But you... I'm sure they probably have bloodhounds, you know, maybe some, some dogs involved with the scent, because, you know, if she went on foot, if there's any hope she went on foot, she might be trackable that way. Right. Have you ever done a case where they had dogs? I mean, they're pretty good at what they do. I've done loads and look there, it's, I mean, this is not to make too much blood.

Dogs are either, I don't know, this is bad, Megan, this is such a serious story, but this is such a horrible case, but I don't. an old investigator who I loved, who was a canine. And he said the police dogs will be one of two things. They'll either run into the middle of the scene and take a dump, or they will do heroic, awesome things. And it's one of those two when you're dealing with police dogs. And bloodhounds are fantastic. And I've done one day we should talk about it. I did, I've done cases where bloodhounds did astounding work. They say that their sense of smell is 10,000 times more sensitive than humans.

And I've seen cases where they do that, and that's one of the things that's kind of scary here because I'm sure they brought the dogs out, unless they had a video of her getting into a car or something, because she just walked, those dogs would be able to find her. And I don't know, unless she took shelter in somebody's house, maybe something like that. But I've had cases, Megan, where I had a murder case,

my Judy Bilac case, where they took assent on my victim's car three and a half miles away, about a week after he was murdered. And that dog went three and a half miles, went to the house where he lived and alerted on our suspect as she was pulling into the driveway because she parked the car there and walked that three and a half miles

and like four days later, and that dog picked up the scent, didn't lose it and literally alerted on our suspect right on the front of the house. So they can be incredible. But also dog tracking evidence can be, you know, it's problematic. times evidence-wise cases in Orange County murder cases were reversed because judges are,

you know, they can be somewhat reluctant unless there's really strong corroborating evidence to rely on the dog evidence alone. But that's another thing. It's more like to lead you to something that you really need to find. And if it, if that happens, then the dog's done a great job. It's not like the dog pointed to this guy and therefore it's him. It's more like maybe the dog could find the victim. Maybe the dog could find the crime scene. Maybe the dog could lead you someplace where there are real investigative clues. Yeah, and the fact that they made an appeal saying we know the way of a crime here seems, seems to indicate that they're pretty sure that she didn't just wander off. And especially when they've reiterated multiple times that she's mentally sound. That,

again, that looks bad. It makes it sound like maybe there was evidence of a struggle potentially in the house. He didn't say that. Maybe he was just referring to the keys and the ID and the purse and the phone and everything else. She, again, she lives alone, but they said she does employ staff. I don't know if that means she has a live-in staff. You know, like, it's possible that when she got home at 945, the staff was gone, and therefore there's not a person to interview about what happened. You know, she doesn't have 24-7 staff. They had, they didn't specify. That's a question I'd like to see answered. That's everything that we know. Other things at the scene that will show she did not leave on her own. In a Mother's Day tribute on Instagram in 2024, Savannah

I described her mother as God's first, best, and most important gift to me. I'm sure she's absolutely petrified with fear right now. She's in Arizona. The Today Show talked about it this morning with a statement, and they're upset as well. I mean, this is just a horrific event to have happened. And all we can do right now is pray. Pray for a good outcome. Pray it was a misunderstanding by the police.

Pray that they got us all worked up for nothing, which would be a great out. And pray that I'm wrong in all of my paranoia. thoughts on this one. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Matt, thank you for hopping on to quickly discuss it. We appreciate it. Anytime, Megan. As always. Thank you. Oh, well, I'm saying a prayer for her too. Obviously, there's a history there, but I wish her nothing but the best, and I certainly wish her mother well and a safe return. No one deserves to go through this. This is deeply wrong. And if anybody, if any bad actor is involved in this. I have faith that the local police, the customs in border patrol and or the FBI will find them. And given the fact that it's Savannah's mother, I'm sure no expense will be

spared to make sure the book is thrown. I mean, it shouldn't be that way, right? It should be that you don't have any doubt, no matter who is involved in the crime. But it's just a reality that when there's a media personality who buys ink by the barrel, especially an organization like NBC, I'm sure law enforcement is doing literally everything within its power to find Nancy Guthrie. So our prayers are with their family. Savannah has a brother and a sister too, I'm sure, are equally worried. Keep them in your thoughts and more on it as we get it. Before we go, I wanted to mention this to you.

I mentioned it quickly on Friday, but we talked about all these celebrities today at the Grammys. We talked about all these celebrities last week and their multimillion dollar estates and how they're standing up for immigration and speaking out again. against ICE, and not one of them, not one of them, mentioned any of the Americans who have been killed by these illegals that ICE is trying to get out of this country. Not a word for Lakin or Jocelyn or Kate. None of them. No one said a word. We put together a tribute on our YouTube page. It's there now. I hope you'll check it out. It's seven minutes long, and you should watch just a couple

minutes of it just so that we're not like them, just so we, the normies, keep the dead, killed by these illegals in our hearts and minds. I'm going to show you one minute of it here before we go. Here it is SOT Zero. They were killed by criminal illegal aliens. These are the families. The media ignores. They don't talk about them. No major networks sent cameras to their homes or display the images of their incredible. incredible loved ones across the nightly news. They don't do that. They don't talk about the death and destruction caused by people that shouldn't be here.

Your loved ones have not died in vain. Aidan Torres de Paz was playing soccer outside his home when his family says his ball rolled into the street. As he ran after it, officers say 44-year-old Hector Belderas Amador hit him and then took off. Two high school sweethearts killed on the 405 by a drunk driver. He was also deported twice before this deadly crash. We didn't deserve it. Nobody does. So many DUIs and DWIs and murders and rapes and child sexual assault,

these people need to go. They need to go. It's not inhumane to get rid of them. It's inhumane to let them stay. If they're law abiding other than the fact that they came here illegally, then they can leave and they can come back properly. The government will give them $2,600 and allow them to do just that.

President Trump is being incredibly humane about that. But if they are here and they have committed an additional crime, and I don't really care what that additional crime is, get out. They all have to go, all. Even the ones didn't commit an additional crime. They may be able to come back, but the others cannot. I am thinking about the children whose parents will never get to hug them again,

that permanent separation that they have from their loved ones. That's what Tom Homan and Christy Noem are doing out there with Customs Border Patrol, with ICE. And we need thousands more just like them. We thank them for their service. Tomorrow we're back with an NR day. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.