The Megyn Kelly Show - SCOTUS Victories for President Trump’s Immigration Agenda, and People Magazine’s RIDICULOUS Profile on the Obamas, with Bevan, Cannon, and Walworth | Ep. 1347

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

Megyn Kelly discusses the two Supreme Court victories for President Trump’s immigration agenda, the ridiculous claims over the U.S. asylum system and temporary protected status, the ongoing controversy surrounding Haitian immigration, the broader challenges of immigration enforcement and assimilation, criticism from the left who argue the Trump administration's policies are unfair, the ridiculous media coverage of the administration’s immigration agenda, new developments in the Karmelo Anthony case, criticism of the Anthony family's and spokesperson Dominique Alexander, the checkered past of the lawyers on Anthony's new legal team, the ongoing public feud with Austin Metcalf’s father, the controversy surrounding viral social media content celebrating Metcalf's death, and more. Plus, Tom Bevan, Carl Cannon, and Andrew Walworth of RealClearPolitics join to discuss the New York City Democrat primary results, Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s growing influence, reactions from establishment party leaders, debates over Israel, what the results could signal for future elections, People magazine's latest profiles of Barack and Michelle Obama, Michelle's recent comments about their marriage, the ongoing speculation surrounding their relationship, and more.      Bevan, Cannon, Walworth- https://www.realclearpolitics.com/   Birch Gold: Text MK to 989898 and get a free America 250 silver round with qualifying purchase Herald Group: Learn more at https://GuardYourCard.com Brooklyn Bedding: Upgrade your sleep with Brooklyn Bedding—Visit https://brooklynbedding.comand use promo code MEGYN for 30% off sitewide! ARMRA: go to https://tryarmra.com/MEGYN to get 30% off your first subscription order     Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show and happy Thursday. The guys from Real Clear politics will be here just a bit later to break down the radical left's takeover of the Democratic Party. And what it means for America. I mean, it's all well and good when it's a Democrat problem. But these people are on the fast track into the U.S. Congress. And then they will be all of our problem.

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against the libs, holding that the federal government can turn away migrants seeking asylum before they've actually crossed the border. The Immigration and Nationality Act allows an immigrant who, quote, arrives in the U.S., to apply for asylum. Okay, so it allows an immigrant who arrives in America to apply for asylum. The question before the court was whether an immigrant arrives in the country when he or she crosses the border or when the person is simply standing in Mexico at the border engaging with U.S. agents. The High Court agreeing with the Department of Justice

position that an immigrant does not arrive in the United States until he or she is actually in the country. Makes sense, right? Samuel Alito, writing for the majority here, quote, a guest does not arrive in a house when he knocks on the front door. So simple. It's so wonderful to hear a bit of common sense from our, you know, our government, which technically the Supreme Court is part of. Sonia Sotomayor, writing the dissent, joined by fellow Libs Elena Kagan and Katanji Brown Jackson. She argued that the majority did not properly consider the context of the law, writing, quote, the majority ignores the statutory context and history, not to mention the longstanding position of the executive branch, all of which show that any non-citizen arriving at, out

doorstep and seeking admission must be inspected and must be allowed to apply for asylum, regardless of whether her foot has crossed the threshold, unquote. I mean, honestly, these libs will do anything to get as many illegals into this country as they can. You know, they're all abusing these asylum claims. These are lies. And by the way, the vast majority who ask for asylum from Mexico, you know, when they're coming up through Mexico, have come from other countries. Why? If you're so scared about what's happening in your country. Why wouldn't you seek asylum in the very first country you reached? Why aren't you asking for asylum in Mexico? None of them is. This was a Stephen Miller point. It was a very good one.

None of them is asking for asylum in Mexico. They want to come here because they think that there's better opportunity. There is. But you're not an American citizen, so get out. That's just how it works. I'm sorry, but that's, you don't, asylum is for, like, I'm from a war-torn country. there's non-stop killing. You're the first country I could get to. Please grant me asylum so I can stay here and avoid getting killed. You travel up from, you know, Venezuela and you want asylum. You crossed how many countries?

The answer's no. So Trump has been trying to shut down these asylum claims because they're bullshit. 99% of these are total bullshit. They just know that they have a better shot of like manipulating the asylum claims. system if they claim, at least under the Biden years, poor, dear me, you know, I throw myself on your mercy, you chump Americans. So Trump came in and said, now more of asylum. We're not doing that. And of course, this lawsuit resulted. So, and by the way, thank God, conservatives are now the majority of the court. It's like the best court I've seen in my lifetime. And in a case that's

likely to be even more consequential today, the same six to three majority siding with the Trump administration in its effort to end temporary protected status, or TPS, for Haitian and Syrian immigrants. Now, this decision clears the way for the admin to deport about 350,000 Haitians and over 6,000 Syrians and is likely to have implications for the approximately 1 million individuals living in the U.S. under TPS from other countries. The TPS program passed by Congress in 1990 gives the Department of Homeland Security, the power to designate a country's citizens as eligible to remain here and to work here because they cannot safely return to their homeland due to a natural disaster, war, or other extraordinary and temporary conditions. TPS designations are supposed to be

for specific periods of time, hence the word temporary. But under the law, the designation can be extended before the designation expires, before the terms expire. The Obama admin granting Haitians TPS in 2010 due to the country's devastating earthquake, Syrians receiving it in 2012 because of the country's civil war. I mean, cry me a river, we have our own problems. TPS for both countries extended multiple times. And look, this has been going on for over a dozen years. Go home. Get out. We know our country's better than yours. That's because we filled. it with our work ethic and our culture and our values. You being here only deluce it for us, those who built it and live it. And half of you people more than half you won't assimilate.

We don't want you. We don't care if you're offended. Get out. Go home. Go back to fucking Haiti. Sorry. I'm just, I'm thinking about our friends in Ohio who've been dealing with these TPS Haitians for years now who are drunk driving all over their towns and killing people. This is the whole cats and dogs thing. Like, they don't want to live like Americans live. And this was supposed to be a temporary, it was supposed to be temporary help. And it's turned into another backdoor way of allowing someone permanent residency here. And they take advantage of all of our public services and our systems, and they're not respectful in many cases of their neighbors. It's like it had to end. And the libs held on and said, no, they accused the Trump administration of being racist in both cases.

And Trump, to his credit, dug in. And last year, they sought to end TPS for both countries. No more Syrians. Sorry. It's not working out. No more Haitians. It's been 16 years. I'm sorry, but you're going to have to go back home now. But those efforts were blocked by the lower courts who found that the administration did not follow the proper procedures to end the program for these Haitians and Syrians. And in the Haiti case, that the Trump administration was possibly motivated by racial animus, racial animus, I'll get to that in a second. But the Trump administration took the case to the U.S. Supreme Court and today has won. The high court finding that judges are prohibited from reviewing the executive branch's determinations on TPS when constitutional

issues are not involved. Justice Alito, again, writing the opinion for the court, quote, a provision of the TPS statute provides there is no judicial review of any determination of, or with respect to the designation, termination, or extension of a designation of a foreign state under the subsection. Basically, it's, he says the text is clear in his plain meaning is very broad. That's confusing, but the bottom line is there's no judicial review for actions like these. All right. It's an executive branch decision. The executive branch has made it. And the judges don't get to second guess the executive branch here. Justice Alito also rejecting the racial arguments, which carried the day with the lower courts, quote, none of the cited statements by either the

president or the secretary was overtly racial. and in substance all expressed policy views that could rest on race-neutral justifications, unquote. In her dissent, Justice Kagan argued judges can review if the admin followed the proper procedure to NTPS. So she does think there's a place for judges to second guess the executive, and that the majority is ignoring evidence, she writes, of the Trump administration's racism. All right, here's the exact quote. the majority claims to see no evidence that race played any role in the Haiti decision, but the evidence is they are plain to see in the president's statements, which the majority, and for that matter, his own lawyers,

cannot even bear to repeat, unquote. One of the comments was Trump's famous comment about Haitians eating the dogs. In Springfield, Ohio. It turned into like 10,000 memes that were. were very funny. Like, the dogs, like, looking, you know, like that when they were having this debate at the presidential debate with Kamala Harris. Remember this?

Remember David Muir tried to fact check President Trump on this? But it was a fail? And was it Lindsay Davis? I'm trying to remember who the co-anchor was. In any event, they think Trump is racist for having said that. And here's Katanji Brown Jackson, bringing up those and other comments during oral argument. What about poisoning the blood of Americans? If you look at those statements and context, again, they're clearly talking about problems.

What about bad genes, bad genes, quote unquote? Again, poverty. Also not, not racially. They presented them wrenched from context. You can look at each one of those statements. They're talking about problems of crime, poverty, welfare dependency, again, problems that have been emphasized again and again by not just President Trump, not just the Secretary, but many others who favor a tough immigration policy. The white South African immigration policy is recent. So that wasn't in Trump against Hawaii.

That wasn't the statements about Haiti and eating pets and the names that were called with respect to these immigrants, even though they are lawfully in the United States. Those are pretty recent. So let's separate it out then. What do you say about those kinds of things? Again, by the, as the courthalding regions, these are statements made in different contexts that are remote in time. They are unilluminating. You know, you know what the truth is, the statements that were at issue that Trump made are factual. They're not complimentary, but they're factual. You know, I've been saying this on the show for years and to people around me and so on.

I learned it in therapy many years ago from a great woman who helped me through my first, my only divorce. And here's here's the bottom line. It's not mean to say something that is unflattering, but true. Like, what's mean is to say something for the purpose of hurting another person. That's what meanness is, cruelty. But it's not mean to say, you know, I don't like the following thing about you. There's a thing about you that is not great, and I'm raising it with you now. that Trump's statements, I'll go through some of them. That's the category they're in. And the left,

you know, they're not really calling it mean, but they're calling it racist. It's like that is evidence of hatred. Animus is like a kind of hatred, racial hatred. And they're saying that his policies are pushed by that as opposed to the fact of that we're sick of all these illegals taking over our country. Get out. Go home. We don't. We don't. We don't. We don't. want you. Sorry, but we don't. Like, I, and you know what? Pull virtually any black American or Hispanic American and they agree with me. It's not about race. It's about cultural differences. Americans live a certain way. We have certain cultural norms that we abide by. Like when we go to the supermarket, we don't open up the jars and start tasting shit as we're,

walking around with our toddler in the cart. We definitely do not look at people's stray cats as possible snacks, nor dogs. We do not think it would be a laugh riot to get completely hammered and drive down small roads in towns that have welcomed us, endangering the children, who are being killed, by the way, they are being killed, not just because they're drunk, but because they don't know how to drive. And they get behind the wheel of these cars and they just don't care about the Americans and their children pushing about in strollers. And Americans are dying as a result of this. Remember all those testimonials from those people in Ohio? Where they were all, they were all a bunch of racists making up shit about the Haitians. A bull. Just stop, okay?

And whether it happened in that one town in Springfield, Ohio, or the neighboring town, what have you, Chris Rufo went out there and put the pictures on his X-Feed. of a cat on the Barbie. All right? So, and the pictures of the Haitian immigrants with the cat. Okay, here's what Kagan says. She's got, these are some of the statements that she's upset about. She says, okay, but, blah, the Haiti plaintiffs have carried their burden.

The evidence they have offered includes statements by the president so repellent and racially inflected, that the majority declines to put them into print. She's calling them cowards. Indeed, one measure of the president's way of speaking about Haitians is to compare it with the majorities, which is unflallingly respectful. So here are some of those statements. I'm quoting her. This is her quoting Trump. Haitians are, quote, eating the dogs. The accent's not. That's mine. That's my invitation of Trump. They're eating the cats. They're eating They're eating the pets of the people that live in Springfield, Ohio.

Okay. And Haitians are also eating other things, too, that they're not supposed to be. It's amazing. Like, how is that racist? Did she do any probing to figure out whether that's true? Like I said, the stories about what goes on in the supermarkets out there in Springfield, Ohio, and the surrounding neighborhoods are pretty shocking. and Haitians in the United States, quote, probably have AIDS.

Well, who knows? And Haiti is a shithole country, which is filthy, dirty, and disgusting. Where is Iran? Why do you think they want to leave it so desperately? Is it wonderful? Is it Shangri-La? Is it like Bora Bora? But they're just sick and tired of the absolutely perfect South Pacific conditions?

No, it's much different than that. No one argues it's a lovely place, but it's their country. Sorry. I mean, that's why we talk all the time about how you've been born with a golden ticket if you're born an American citizen. You're one of the luckiest people on Earth. You won the lottery on your way out the birth canal. I mean, it's amazing. America's got his problem, but it's still the greatest country on Earth, bar none.

And one of the reasons we are is because we do generally police our culture and our borders and try to keep our situation hours. But we've had too many Dem presidents who have not seen it that way. We've been flooded with immigrants who have nothing in common with us. And they need to go back home to, yeah, places like Haiti, which, let's face it, is a shithole country with filthy, dirty, and disgusting conditions. It's not a nice thing to say. But it's not mean. It's not racist.

It's true. That's the thing. And at a minimum, it's just a matter of opinion. in any event, Haitian immigration is, quote, like a death wish for our country. How is that racist? That's it truly, what's wrong with her? And Haitians, she's writing, along with some others, are poisoning the blood of our country. This is so out of context.

That was a comment that was made about the drug dealers who were literally poisoning the blood of our country. This is fucked up. This wound up in a Supreme Court opinion like it's just some random comment about immigrants. They are poisoning the blood of our country. Where do you think the fentanyl is coming from? Where do you think most of these illegal drugs are coming from? The Coke, all of it.

Hello. It's not racist. It's true, Elena. You probably didn't notice living in probably some Georgetown penhouse with your guards that our children are at risk. Okay. And why is it we only take people from shithole countries like Haiti and Somalia? Yes, good question. Also, why cannot we have some people from Norway and Sweden?

Yes. A who among us was not watching the Norwegians do their row thing, the row in unison, tens of thousands of them celebrating their sports team, playing at the World Cup, organized, clean cut, fun, discipline, thinking, why can't we have those immigrants? That, they can come. Not permanently, because Norwegians tend to be leftist. But I'm just saying, like, yeah, they're, like, clean. They're orderly. They're patriotic toward their country, but whatever. The people we're getting,

just as Trump said when he took the golden escalator downstairs, they're not sending their best. We're getting child molesters. We're getting rapists. We're getting murderers. We're getting near-do-wells who like to sit on their couch and live off the public dime. And it doesn't really matter to us whether they're claiming asylum. They want temporary protected status. They've crossed the border illegally and they've just decided to stay, or they had a visa that expired and they decided to overstay. They need to go home.

They need to go home. All right? I mentioned the Springfield, Ohio residents, right? We've covered this a lot when it was happening here on the show. You guys remember, I just pulled this one, saw of a Springfield woman talking about

the situation there. Elena Kagan says it's all racist, but she doesn't have to live like this. She's living the life of a U.S. Supreme Court justice. They live pretty well. They have staff coming out of the ears. Their every wish is catered to. They don't even have to pour their own water.

She's not living like this woman. Listen. I was looking at the giant holes in some of our buildings. I noticed all of the old familiar spots bearing new signs in an unfamiliar language. I watched as groups of strangers walked around the city like lost tourists. And it was like a punch in the gut. A terrible sadness came over me and I began to cry. I immediately started to think back to when I was little, walking from my grandma's house on South Fountain through downtown and all the way to Snyder Park, going to Rends to get new school clothes and shoes.

The excitement of the mall for lunch at the Blue Fox were even better to see Santa, riding down High Street, admiring the beauty of those stately homes and their amazing architecture, dropping pennies in the fountain and making wishes. and now all those warm memories are becoming fueled to the fire of anger inside of me. I feel like we have been invaded by some sort of pest. I'm angry that my friends and family are packing up and moving away. I'm angry that foreigners are using up the resources that were set up for the Americans that reside here. I'm angry that another country's flag was being flown in our city. I'm angry when I see our businesses and recreational areas littered with garbage left by people that do not know or understand our laws and culture and are making no attempt to learn about them.

And let me be clear, this is not about race. This is about people being given the privilege of coming here from another country and having no respect for our people, our land, or our life's work. Right on. That woman just got validated by the U.S. Supreme Court. Your pleas were heard, madam, by President Trump and by the president. the six conservative justices of the U.S. Supreme Court majority who understood it's his decision. Elena Kagan can cry in her soup all she wants. She only has two other votes that doesn't make

majority and President Trump's decision to listen to that woman that we just heard there, stands. This happened right before the election. That's why it was raised by David Muir in that debate where Trump said it. We have that moment. Let's watch. And look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States. And a lot of towns don't want to talk. It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats. They're eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country. Kamala Harris, for the listening audience, is doing her cackle on the split screen, shaking her head.

No, no. Maybe if you had actually tried to listen, Kamala, to the concerns of the local residents, you would have carried states like Ohio. Maybe if you had tried listening rather than scuffing just to show, oh, what a disgusting liar Donald Trump was, you would have gotten a few more votes from people who understood that you might have cared about them as opposed to just pandering to your elite Sanford. crowd. The president cared. The president listened, the president, and the vice president to campaigned on this. J.D. Vance went out there repeatedly. They were calling attention to the problems in communities like this to try to bring actual

faces and stories to the abstract issue of illegal immigration, whether it was highlighting what happened to Lake and Riley or President Trump went down to the southern border repeatedly with the moms of girls who'd been concerned. killed and boys who'd been killed by illegals or this, this issue in Springfield, Ohio, with the Haitians. They did a great job of it. It's one of the reasons he was elected and J.D. was elected vice president. And they, this was one of the first orders of business to say, no more, no more temporary protected status for these people. Go home. It's time. Get out. And now they've been backed by a six vote majority of the U.S. Supreme Court and the Democrats are freaking out when they're

give you some of the reaction that's coming in. Okay. First, the New York Attorney General, Letitia James, she's a big Trump fan, as you know, writes, quote, the Supreme Court's decision to strip TPS from Haitian and Syrian communities is a betrayal of our values and of the promise of our country,

the promise our country made to protect people from displacement and harm. I'll never stop fighting for our immigrant neighbors and loved ones. Fight all you want, you lost. Go ahead and fight. You're a loser. AG of New York State. Your opinion means nothing. What matters is the six justice majority in the U.S. Supreme Court that just overruled your argument. So go ahead and whistle into the wind,

madam. No one's listening. Representative Seth Moulton, this guy, I've had enough of this guy. This is the guy, remember, tried to sound reasonable on boys and girls sports. Like, I have four daughters. I don't know. It's just a question of fairness. And then as soon as he got beaten up by the left, he completely reversed himself like the you know what that he is. Here's his latest. Donald Trump's Supreme Court has ended legal protections for tens of thousands of Haitian and Syrian migrants rather than protect the hardworking families that contribute to our communities. Please. Trump's justices are sending them back to the same places they fled. Democrats need to reform the court to preserve our rights and protect T.P.

families. I mean, that is what a growing segment of the progressives want to do, is reform the court. What they mean by that is add seats to dilute the right-wing majority. Like, okay, they're just, they're, they're not as radical as those three Democrat socialists who were elected in New York last night. Well, they weren't elected. They won the primaries, but they're going to be, you know, elected because there's no meaningful opposition for Dems in New York. They're not as radical as those DSAs, but they are, they're on the same path. It's, you know, different shades of red, meaning commie. We're not going to pack the Supreme Court, you loon, because you're losing now. You used to win all the time. When it's a dem majority, you win a lot more as a damn do.

What would he have said if Republicans wanted to pack the court? That never happened. Republicans haven't proposed nightmare, things like that over and over and over the way the Democrats have, because they tend to want to conserve things. That's generally the way conservatives view institutions and our country. Elizabeth Warren, also known as Chief Lies a lot or Pocahontas. The Supreme Court is letting Trump ignore laws set by Congress and send hardworking legal immigrants into imminent danger in Haiti, Syria, and other violent countries.

It's horrific. This decision is a disaster for the rule of law and a disaster for thousands of families. I mean, it's not a disaster for thousands of American families. I mean, I'm sorry they have to go back to Haiti and Syria. I wouldn't want to go there either, but I'm not Haitian.

I'm not Syrian. Thank God above, I'm a United States citizen. I get to stay here. I'm sorry they have to go home to the countries in which they were born and raised. Like, she's acting like we're shipping them off to Siberia and to some like work camp.

You need to go back home now. your all-expenses paid vacation in the United States, courtesy of the American taxpayers, has now come to a conclusion. Goodbye. That's all Trump said. And this is the meltdown. Chuck Schumer. In a cruel and inhumane decision, the Supreme Court just turned its back on more than 300,000 Haitians.

TPS, temporary protected status exists for this reason. To protect people when returning home is unsafe. Haiti and Syria remain unsafe today. Instead of showing basic humanity, Donald Trump and his court have chosen fear, chaos, and cruelty. Okay, the U.S. Supreme Court doesn't choose cruelty. They decide whether they have the power to review something or not. And if the answer is yes, then they apply established legal standards for statutory or other interpretation. And then they determine whether someone has run afoul of the law. That's all they've done. done here. There's no independent judgment that asylum is good or bad. Haitians, Syrians are good or bad.

None of the stuff I said about culture. None of that. That is for a president to decide. He's an elected leader. He faces the voters. Skodas doesn't. That's all they did. So, you know, this is just an attempt to undermine faith in the judiciary at its highest level by someone who has been threatening the Supreme Court for a long, long time. Chuck Schumer. Got to be a should. shamed for yourself. Here you go more and more and more. And they will be, of course, aided and abetted in all this misinformation about how it's just a cruel Supreme Court and a racist president Trump and a racist Supreme Court for that matter because they didn't take issue with the president's quotes, the dogs, by the media, by compliant media. And I'll give you one example.

Sometimes as I'm getting ready for the show, I will put on YouTube TV and I'll just check in to see like how big issues that are breaking are being covered. And I meandered over to MS now. I don't even know who this person is, but here's the coverage I was treated to shortly before we came on today. The relevant group here is all TPS countries, all of which are non-white. And that makes its way into Justice Kagan's descent where she says, Haitians are black, Norwegians and Swedes, not so much.

The references of filth disease and primitiveness are shot through with racial stereotypes and tropes. It is hard to imagine the statements being. made today of any white community. And that just stands in such stark contrast, I think, to the decision that six justices of this Supreme Court today made in saying that none of the statements out of the mouth of Trump or Christine Nome were overtly racial enough to lend themselves to an equal protection claim on behalf of the Haitian immigrants that were contesting the termination of temporary protected status for their country. Lisa Rubin, thank you so much for breaking all that down. Some of those quotes, I've heard them all before. They're sometimes they're heartbreaking

to have to have to listen to again, frankly, but thankfully we have more time to talk about all this. Everyone is staying with me. We have another big decision that we have to dig into. Are you an idiot? My team tells me she's named Antonia Hilton. I've never heard of this person before ever, and it's obvious why don't get too attached. I'm sure she won't be making it. Why are you talking about how heartbreaking the quotes are? Fuck off. No one's paying you for your opinion in the middle of the day on MSNBC. Over there, they're actually still pretending to be news during the day. Did you know that? They actually want you to believe that these are news anchors during the daytime on MS now. Well, that's your heartbroken? What? Get it together,

Antonia. Her aunt is Soledad O'Brien. My team just sent me that. Her aunt is Soled out of Ryan, yeah, sensing a pattern here. I love that they're zeroing in on Norway and Sweden. How dare it. Like we would take immigrants from there. Have you been to Norway or Sweden? We were there in June of 2024, literally two years ago. You could eat off the sidewalks.

They are so clean. I mean, Norway in particular is like, it's got the fjords, it's got water that you could splash all over your face and immerse your newborn baby in. on like where I grew up, going to my grandparents' boatyard on the Hudson River. But Norway is as clean as clean can get. Everybody spends their time outdoors, even though it's zero degrees most of the year there. And it's pristine. Sweden, too. Sweden's had an immigrant problem. Most of their crime is attributed to the immigrants, and now they're cracking down on them.

Now they're deporting. Now they've stopped for a while now, importing. But they're suffering some of the same problems we are, because they tried the same experiments that we did under Joe Biden and really just were following Europe's lead on allowing all these Syrian refugees to go in, so-called refugees to go in, and suffering the same consequences. So it's not about skin color. There are plenty of, like, native, whatever, Norwegians and Danes, for that matter, and Swedes who aren't white, had been immigrated, you know, with different families over the years who have grown up in that

culture and have the same values as the others do. But these whole countries, like Haiti is, it is a shithole. I'm sorry, like, that's why the people don't want to be there. It's not because the people are black that it's a shithole. Obviously not. We have a very large black population in the United States. They don't make the United States a shithole. This isn't about the race of the people. It's about the country, the customs, and the culture. sorry the way it is um and all of it's bullshit anyway because these elena kagan doesn't want a bunch of immigrants from cuba even though they're all brown she doesn't want them because they're going to vote republican that's why cuban americans tend to be the most republican among republicans and certainly

among Hispanics um that's why that's the one country they're like oh i don't know about that they're not talking about making cuba the 51st state it's only porto rico dc the places they can control in terms of its, you know, left-leaning politics. So whatever, right, spare me. Here's one more coming in. Representative Summerlee, she's a squad. Either she's like on the squad or squad light. This extremist Supreme Court just gave Trump the green light to block asylum seekers at the border, which again is a good thing. That was the first decision. And NTPS protections for Haitians and Syrians. People fleeing danger deserve compassion, not cruelty. Yes, and we gave it to them. We gave it to them for many, many, many years. Summer. Perhaps given the nature of your name,

you understand that there is a season for all behaviors. And allowing people to come into your country to flee danger is such a season. Does the season go on beyond 15, 16 years? I feel like it's kind of over. I feel like no season lasts more than a few months at most. People fleeing danger deserve compassion, not cruelty, we must reform and expand the court immediately. God, these people are so dumb. She's from Pennsylvania. It's tough. And now my team tells me Antonia Hilton, who is so heartbroken at hearing those quotes, she went to Harvard. I mean, honestly, like, I put my Syracuse University degree up against these Harvard morons any day of the week. They actually just gave me a solid liberal arts education. They didn't try to indoctrinate me there.

nor at my law school. I was in college at a different time. There were a couple of incidents, but certainly not enough to make me a far-left, you know, Pink Okami, unlike Antonia, who feels, I mean, she's clearly new to the business. I'm going to give you a little lesson. When you are playing the role, sweetheart, of a straight news anchor, you don't say things like, oh, those quotes that the losing justice brought up are heartbreaking. When it is disputable, whether they are or they You can say heartbreaking if you see a tragic story where someone has been killed or hurt. You can see a maimed American on a stretcher. Yeah, there you can do it, Antonio. But when you're talking about disputed quotes, the context of which is not rendered in full, appearing in a dissent. So it's the losing side, which obviously has an ax to grind. You might want to think twice about expressing your personal opinion, trying to impress your woke betters over at MS now. Okay. So that's the Supreme Court today. Great news. I've said before I say again, it is one of the bright spots right now in American politics. When I go to bed at night, I'm feeling bad about, you know, the country and the direction it's heading in or whatever, the political infighting, I think about the Supreme Court and I feel better. I'm like, I guess that doesn't say very good things about me and my nighttime dreams. But I do feel grateful for the Supreme Court because I've lived through too many years where we had a not great one. and just in general, problematic judiciary.

And it's wonderful to know that they're there and that they're a backstop. Okay, I want to give you a couple of other updates before we bring on our CEP, including in the Carmelo-Anthony case. We'll get to it right after this. Our sponsor, the Electronic Payments Coalition, says Washington politicians are always getting in your wallet and that now they're messing with your credit card. They say your credit card and the security it offers are under attack and that senators, Dick Durbin and Roger Marshall want to change the nation's payment system to benefit corporate megastores like Walmart and Target at the expense of everyday Americans. Credit cards can keep your payments secure and provide rewards that families use to help make everyday purchases more affordable

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appellate lawyer, one of, I think, five or six. And he posted something online, which he then deleted almost immediately, but not soon enough. And here's what it reads. Thirty-five years. They showed no mercy. He's clearly referring to the jury because that's the sentence that Carmelo Anthony got. Kind of hard to when the defendant's parents had a press conference mocking the dead victim's father right after the incident. We'll show you that tape in a minute. Y'all non-lawyers can argue about if he were guilty or not. Most real lawyers realize this was a punishment case from the beginning. What he's saying is we all knew he was guilty, the only real, opportunity for good lawyering was on getting the sentence reduced.

You know, throwing yourself on the mercy of the court, painting him as a sympathetic person, what have you. This is his appellate lawyer who's about to go in there and argue that it was a biased jury because there were no black people and three black jurors got struck unfairly with these peremptory challenges or like this guy is about to make that argument to an appellate court. Meanwhile, he's saying right here, we all knew he was guilty. It's just a question about punishment. that's all. And of course, the jury, of course, they didn't show mercy when the decedent's father mocked, sorry, the defendant's father mocked the decedent's father at a presser. This is very unhelpful to Carmelo Anthony's appellate chances. He writes, goes on to say, with that being the case, you simply don't run around going on a press tour touting a false narrative. The false narrative is clearly the racial narrative.

that's what the family had been touting and has been dominating the airwaves since the verdict, and the one they're clearly getting ready to raise on appeal around those black jurors being bounced. This is unbelievable. He's like on our side. I'm pissed, he writes.

And it's the people that were around Carmelow who sold this story to folks, trying to sell racism for personal gain. Y'all really showed out this time. I mean, welcome to Team Reesies. and Justin Moore, it's great to have you. He's right. He's right about what he's saying.

However, it's not helpful to the defendant, whom is his client, okay, whom he represents, who is his client and whom he represents. So this went up, and then it came right back down. And now we've looked into this guy, Justin Moore, and it turns out, Justin, he's a trial. lawyer. His focuses on criminal defense, post-conviction advocacy, complex litigation. Okay. He's worked

on a bunch of cases where he's gotten sentences overturned, that kind of thing. He's trying to work with civil rights leaders and so on and represent them. But also, it turns out Justin had a brief stint as an assistant district attorney, and it didn't last very long because he was accused of DWI. Do we have that? Is that a thought? Hold on, I'm just looking at my list here. Yeah, we do. Okay, so here in SOT 6 is Justin Moore seen during the DUI stop. And this is 2015.

There, unlike here, playing the race card. Watch. Around 2.30 a.m., Dallas Police pulled moreover on 67 near Ledbetter for swerving through lanes. Officers say they can smell alcohol on his breath. And minutes later, you hear more try to tell them who he is. In the video, he's towed away. And I just like to have a supervisor out here, because he's threatening us saying, for arrest of me and all this and that. In the video, you hear police eventually move more to the back of the squad car as his is towed away.

More claims his arrest comes down to race. Are you guys, are you guys moving to the blue next to you guys? You can hear officers remind him he's being recorded, but in the moment, he seems to defiantly accept his fate. I hope I get fired. I don't want to be a part of a thousand. How this is on camera, too? It was, and he was fired. Okay, the case was ultimately dismissed. He lawyered up. He lost his job. I'm going to guess they thought that was sufficient punishment for him. But there you hear him on that police body cam saying we've got a district attorney out here.

like to have a supervisor out here because he's threatening us saying, I'm going to get you fired for arresting me. And the officers can be heard moving more to the back of the squad car as his vehicle is towed away and Moore is heard claiming his arrest comes down to race. Are you guys members of the KKK? Are you KKK? He asks. And then he calls an officer and Uncle Tom. They tell him you're being recorded. He says, I hope I get fired. I don't want to be a part of the effing Dallas County with this blank. And I hope this is on blank and camera. too. It was and he was fired. So now we see what the background was that got him hired as Carmelo Anthony's appellate lawyer. But his tweet certainly seems a lot more reasonable and less of race

bait than he was in 2015. And here's the moment that he's referring to when he says, of course, of course the jury had no sympathy and no mercy for Carmelo, kind of hard when the defendant's parents had a press conference mocking the dead victim's father right after the incident. Remember this? We showed it at the time. Sought three with the parents lurking behind their representative Dominique Alexander, the biggest race hustler in the entire case. Watch this. Jeff McHaff had shown up at the presser and he didn't like that. What we've seen at the beginning of this press conference, of the father being at this press conference is a disrespect to the dignity of his son.

As that was disrespectful and just shows you all the character who is not invited, he knows that is inappropriate to be near this family. But he did it. And so I say to people, actions speak louder than words. Okay. What he has failed into is the political operatives that want to make this thing a political thing of hate, yet bigotry and yet racism. Oh, my God. We have conservative operatives that have been posting none stop.

Did the parents object? Did the parents say, stop that, Dominique, stop. He's a suffering father, just like we are. No, no, no, they allowed it all. Okay, one other update in that case. A disgusting thing is happening on TikTok the same as after Charlie died, where they're celebrating Austin's murder, making light of it and dancing to it, along with a, quote, viral rap song called Austin Bop.

Watch. Ten blah On the tip when he drop How the fuck he gonna stop niggas gonna stop me I'm all right to box Aye, I don't sound when he died The fuck with his floor But I got side

Niko checks my phone talk about He don't like my shit He got stabbed by a knife Austin Baugh Nahc had blood on the tip when he dropped How the fuck he's gonna stop me and shit

Nikes him all along At the box A'stand when he died The fuck with this floor but I got aside Nigger checks my phone talk about he don't like My shit he got stopped by night

Once said he was over Coughinging a bloody He's got he booling He got his stit up Austin Bop Knight Had been blood on the tip when he he drop. How the fuck you gonna stop me and shit,

niggas going out of back him all at the box. Ah, uh, I don't sound when he died. The fuck with this floor, but I got to stop. Knife had blood on the tip when he dropped. How to fuck you're going to stop me and shit, niggas going out back in my law at the box. Ah, Austin Bob. Knife had blood on the tip when he dropped.

How the fuck you're going to stop me and shit, nigs going to go back in my law at the box. This is so sick. For the record, it happened to be all black people there, teens from the look of it, maybe young 20s in that last case. The words are Austin Bob. Knife had blood on the tip when he dropped, coughing up blood.

You think he got Ebola. That song was uploaded to Apple Music on June 10th, the day after Anthony was convicted. According to Libs of TikTok, the song was also on Spotify, but it's not currently. The artist is some little-known 600 naughty, which has one album released in March, and the artist's topic page on YouTube only has 236 followers, but the kids on TikTok love it. They love making light of Austin's murder. they have a post of him under this 600 naughty that shows Austin Metcalf's face and a sign that reads, I learned my lesson that accompanies that single.

It's so sad what we've become. I mean, Lucy Martinez is still working in, was it a preschool in Chicago? The one who did the fake shooting into her neck as the Charlie Kirk is the turning point vehicle. went by. There have been so many people who've done this in the wake of Charlie's death. Now we see this in the wake of Austin Metcalf's death. And he was a civilian. He wasn't political. He wasn't doing anything. It literally did nothing wrong. We got to find our soul. We've got to get back into those church pews and pray for enlightenment. And in the case of these kids, forgiveness. And their parents need to step in and remind them of what love is, what kindness is, what the

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RCP, Carl Cannon. He's the Washington Bureau Chief at Real Clear and Andrew Walworth, Real Clear's chief content officer. Great to see you guys. Let's start with SCOTUS and the big decisions today. we've been talking about it because it's an excuse to revisit, they're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats. And that whole thing sprung a thousand memes, which, why don't, why not? Let's just take a walk down memory lane because it's what led to this whole business of the Supreme Court that was resolved in Trump's favor.

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Good clean fun Now what happened, Tom. Bob Bevin is Democrats try to argue. Those were all racist statements that showed Trump's racial animus toward Haitians. And by the way, they said he's also racially animus. He holds it against Syrians. And that therefore, his effort to end their temporary protected status needed to be overruled by this Supreme Court and the High Court was not having it in a six three decision saying, nice try. But no, it's the executive decision. And we actually don't, we don't review that. That's up to him. That's not a Supreme Court call. Thank God. Because we had too many years and too many decisions where the people in the robes, unlike Antonin and Scalia, who said, what do you mean? There's nine people up here in robes. Why do you want them to decide these things? You got to go to the people who you elected. These types of issues get decided by those people who are accountable to you every two, four or six years. And finally, you have a Supreme Court that gets it. Your thoughts.

Yeah, I mean, this and the other Supreme Court decision on the asylum claims that came out today. Both were six three. All four. three female liberal justices on the court seem to think that that were opposed to these decisions, right? Want people to be able to say, you know, Amy Coney Barrett is in the majority. And well, okay, tushae, Megan. I'm just saying like one woman on the court did the right thing. And he said women. I said liberal women. But no, but it's a sort of good example of how the how liberals and conservatives view, I think immigration. On the one hand, the three, liberal justices think that, you know, you can, you can claim asylum even if you're not physically

in the country. And the court said, no, that's not true. And then the other one, and we talked about this on our show a little bit. I mean, the temporary protected status was given to the Haitians in 2010 for an earthquake. It was given to the Syrians in 2012. Temporary protected status was never meant to be forever. And so, you know, in that sense, I think it was a good decision on the court, by the court, to say, hey, this is not, this is not our purview, but also to say, to point out the fact that, you know, there shouldn't be temporary protective status should not be forever. That's something that has been abused. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's, it's in the title, but it's been abused badly for, for years and years. But Carl, we're having a leftist meltdown now

that's already queued talks of, we need to reform the Supreme Court and pack the Supreme Court. I mean, This is where they go, knee-jerk. It's like the one court they don't control. They control most of the circuit courts, the liberals in the country. They certainly control a lot of federal district court judges, as we've seen in Trump's first year and a half. But they don't control the U.S. Supreme Court right now. So it needs to be packed or, quote, reformed as a result of these decisions. Yeah, you know, I was wondering about this case because I didn't think it was that difficult a case.

You know, these executive orders or orders of Congress that, as Tom said, you know, they're issued 15 years ago. why can't an administration change them? Someone has to have the authority to change them. And I was wondering if it wasn't 6-3 and I was thinking, well, I'm curious what you think, Megan. Would Elaine Kagan even have voted that way? Is it an easy vote for her because she stays out of the crosshairs of the progressives because she knows that it's going to pass?

And so to Moyer. I mean, I don't know if you saw it, Megan, but Haiti just got demolished by Morocco in the World Cup. And they had such a bad week. Maybe she just felt sorry for them, but it wasn't. I'm sure it'll be in their next petition for temporary protected status. Another devastation. Well, they've had a bad week.

I feel for it. That's the thing, Andrew, this will be spun. This will be spun. It's being spun right now over on MSNBC as like, this is heartbreaking. Trump's racism permitted by this, you know, compliance Supreme Court as opposed to what Tom said, like, temporary, temporary, 2010. It's now 2026. And we're not the world's babysitter.

We don't have to protect and care for the toddlers forevermore. We got them through their difficult period. Now, sadly for them, they're Haitian, so they have to go home. It's a brush back to court's power, which is always a good thing in my view. But, you know, I'm always struck by, like, Hakeem Jeffries. I think he only can say illegitimate Supreme Court. He cannot call it just the Supreme Court. And I do think that that's a danger.

I mean, the one thing that the Democrats are doing is sort of illegitimizing the one body that Americans, at least for a long time, still had some faith in. So, you know, I think that what you'll see is, you know, when they get rid of the filibuster, they will pack the court, like you say. And I think that's coming as soon as they gain power. And every time one of these things happen. That will be the biggest, the biggest constitutional crisis we've had in 50, 75 years. Megan, can I ask you a question about that?

Suppose they get the Senate and in two years, just we're gaming out three years. They get the presidency and they do this. They add, I don't know, four or five seats to the Supreme Court. What's to prevent the, why don't they think that the Republicans then when they took power would then appoint not four or five, but 15 conservative judges? Why do they think this would be the end of it? That's what I don't understand about this constant tit for tat and constant escalation by these two parties. No, these are not well-thought-out plans.

I mean, it's honestly, it's sort of similar to what's happening on Team GOP right now where they're saying, let's get rid of the filibuster because, you know, it protects minority rights in the Senate. And the Republicans are probably soon going to be minority in the Senate, if not this midterms, then in 2028. That may be what John Thune is thinking, right? Average shot. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know it's controversial because it's much more red meat satisfying to say,

F it, get rid of the filibuster, shove through the SAVE Act. Then the filibuster's gone. There's no minority rights. And as soon as we have a Democrat president with a Democrat-controlled Senate and House, they're going to undo the SAVE Act. If it can be done with the wave of a wand in 51 votes, it can be undone with the wave of a wand and 51 votes. And then the filibuster's gone forever. I was going to say, is there any doubt in your way?

mind if Democrats take the Senate? And this is Trump's argument. It's like, you guys are being foolish because as soon as the Democrats take the Senate, they're going to do away with the filibuster. I mean, is there any question in your mind? That's what they do if they got, if they win the Senate? There's some question. Okay. Yeah. I mean, there's, there are still some more moderate Democrats who I think might be the McConnell. So all going to come down to Federman again? Angus King. I'm just like not totally convinced that. every Democrat would vote for that, and you are going to need all of them to vote for that in order to make it happen. And I'm just like maybe a traditionalist in this regard. I just think

minority rights do matter. It's like that slowing things down in the U.S. Senate has helped Republicans far more than it's helped Dems. Dems are the ones who want to push through everything. They want to make a law about everything. Republicans are kind of like, leave me alone, get government off my back for the most part. And so the Democrats are the ones who use legislation way more, and the Republicans are in the minority trying to use their filibuster to stop it. I just think, like, who's going to hurt more as a result of no more a filibuster? And I think it's going to be the GOP. So we'll see.

Okay. Let's keep going because what happened yesterday was fascinating in New York, alarming, disturbing, and fascinating from a political standpoint. Here's Van Jones. This is before we had the final results, but he saw it coming and he made a good prediction on it. Here's SOT 7. Well, New York City matters because the two most exciting left-wing candidates are here, AOC and Mombani, but also this is the stronghold for the establishment, Schumer and Hakeem-Jeffrey. This is a battle between the establishment and this insurgency, and the roof is collapsing on the Democratic Party establishment tonight.

If Maldani gets a hat trick, three out of three, this is a new era for the Democratic Party, and you can't write off New York City because this is the place where both it's a power center for the establishment and the insurgency. And they're going head to head tonight. And right now, this is not no longer a movement, this is a movement and a machine at the same time.

And there's just no way to sugarcoat this. If Mamdani pulls off the hat trick is a new era in Democratic Party politics. And Andrew, he did. He did pull it off. And now, as the kids say, he has aura. You know, he's like,

he's got some swagger as like a kingmaker instead of being this weirdo that just these crazy lives in New York City elected. Yeah, he's got the juice right now. It is interesting how much of, how the local and the national have come together in New York. We've got Hakeem Jeffries and you've got AOC, you know, all these sort of politicians sort of in one place about this.

And, you know, Hakeem Jeffries has said, oh, well, what does it matter what happened to these deep blue, couple deep blue districts inside New York? It matters a lot because nationally the Republicans will try to tie the party to these far-left candidates who are all going to say crazy things. They've already saying crazy things. And at the same time, if you're a Democrat, a centrist Democrat, you've got to be really worried right now that you'll get primaried tomorrow by some, you know, 22-year-old or 25-year-old. old graduate student from Columbia, you know, and they'll win. It's crazy. But this is the state of the

Democratic Party right now. And I think they, if you're a centrist Democrat, you should really be worried right now. Well, Andy, we had Henry Olson on our show yesterday, Megan, not just centrist Democrats. This is a very liberal Democrat. This guy. This guy. Well, Dan Goldman, he led the impeachment against Trump. The other guy was the head of the Hispanic caucus who said he was rooting for Mexico in the World Cup. These are not moderate people. These are very, very liberal people

who are challenged by very radical left-wing people. What Henry Olson said on our show is that the ripple effects of this are that every Democrat in the House now, all at Hakeem Jeffrey's conference is going to look over their shoulder. And if they disagree with the progressives

on anything, you know, as you said, Andy, some college student will rise up and challenge them in the DSA, which Van Jones correctly says, not just a movement, but also machine will mobilize all these young people in their districts to vote against them. So the Democratic Party has a, well, it's a real reckoning within the Democratic Party now. We've been talking in the mainstream media for 10 years now, how Trump wrecked the Republican Party.

What do they think this is doing to the Democratic Party? You know, Tom, I heard you guys talking yesterday about the Israel factor. And I mean, if I were a Democrat running for office against one of these DSA candidates, I would make perfectly clear that I don't support more aid to Israel and I don't support Apex influence over American politicians. I would not let anybody get to my left on that issue because you will lose as a Democrat now. You cannot be in yesterday's Democrat Party on Israel or you're going to lose if you're running against one of these DSA candidates in one of these districts that's liberal. But you are making the point that the post-October 7th sympathy from the left is basically gone for Israel. And now it's been replaced by hostility from the left and even on the right. And the reason it jumped out at me among others is because it was a year ago, Tom.

It was a year ago. It was last summer when I made that point myself to Pierce Morgan on his show. And I said it as an Israel supporter. I said they, Israel's lost all the support of the Democrats and the independents are gone. The polls were showing it. They had turned on Israel. And the polls are showing that Republicans are starting to turn. It was like some 6% had turned and it had gone up to like 9%.

But it was starting and you could see the trend and now it's more like 20 plus percent. The Iran war has since happened, which also didn't help. And that was the first time people started calling me an anti-Semite just for saying. And I remember saying Sid Rosenberg, a friend of mine in New York, broadcaster, was like, why would you say such a thing? I said, Sid, I say it as an Israel supporter. I don't want this to happen. But I'm telling you, it's happening. This is a political reality.

So Israel needs to wrap it up and, like, keep itself out of the headlines. Well, it went a different way. And look what's happened as a result. Good luck finding any Democrat, really, who's pro-Israel now. Pro-A-PAC, never mind. independence too, and that same sentiment is only growing in the wake of Iran amongst the GOP. So where does this go a year from now, or even less than that, a few months from now in the midterms? Yeah, I mean, one of the interesting things about that race, the golden race, was that APEC stayed out of it.

They didn't get involved. They kind of knew, and they know that their involvement in these primaries, whether Democrat or Republican is now gotten to the point where it's counterproductive. And so you had, and again, we talked about this before. Dan Goldman and Brad Lander agree on pretty much everything. But Lander managed to your point, to get to the left, call himself a progressive Zionist and attack Dan Goldman on that issue. And look, we're seeing that not just in these House races. We're seeing that in, you know, the Michigan race, El-Sayed, for example,

is attacking Haley Stevens. as being, you know, getting support from APAC. I mean, they're using it, and it have been using it for years. He's running for the Democratic primary for the U.S. Senate seat in Michigan. Correct. And he's doing well against two more establishment deaths. Chris Van Hollen just endorsed him about an hour ago.

So, along with Bernie Sanders. And he's campaigned with... All that same stuff, too, in Maine, Tom. Yeah, I mean, Graham Platter said it about Susan Collins. Exactly. So it is now a standard part of the Democratic playbook, and it's been effective. And so, to your point, I think we've also seen

we saw it in the Massey race on the Republican side. There was a lot of talk about APAC and all that money. And so I don't know exactly where this ends up, but it certainly has, it's a, it's a development that I think has people concerned because there's, you know, the, using APAC is just sort of like a blanket. I mean, what people really, I think what Democrats really mean when they talk about APAC is they're saying Jews, basically.

It's not, they're not making a distinction between, listen, I disagree with BB Netanyahu. I don't like him. I want to see him gone. Or, you know, the policy necessarily. It's used in a much more broad term that I think has a lot of people concerned. I think if you're talking about the Ilan Omar's of the world, you're totally right. But I think that the anti-Israeli government sentiment is widespread and heartfelt and not about Jews. When I think of APEC now, I think about a group that's more concerned with Israeli interests than America. that's trying to manipulate American politicians to vote in a way that's good for Israel, irrespective of whether it's good for the U.S. That's what I think. And I don't want them having any influence over our politicians.

And I have been an equal opportunity critic. I've spent years railing on care. I'm not a big fan of them either. I want our politicians to be voting on our concerns, what's in the best interest for us, Americans. And I'm sick of these politicians doing the bidding of other countries. Go ahead, Andrew. Well, in answer to your original question, where will we be a year from now?

A lot will depend on what happens in November. I mean, if Platner loses, if Abdul LSC loses, you may, and they lose the chance to take over the Senate because of that, there may be a rethinking on the Democratic side. I mean, I would not count the moderates totally out right now. I do think there's some merit to the argument that, hey, these are a couple, very blue districts. And what happens? Well, we have this running joke on our show.

We want to do a branded segment called Carl's naive moments. And I'm just laughing because I think this is Andy's naive moment here. Wait, wait, wait. You don't think that if Platner loses to Susan College. The crossfire, you didn't even say anything. Go ahead, Andy. Megan, I love you too much to engage in this conversation. Well, I will engage.

Wait, let's go back to Andy's point. Andy's point is these races are not settled yet. Correct. Thank you. Carl and Andy are naive together on this. Well, I'll say it is widely considered the weakest nominee in that field. He may get the nomination. It'll be a test.

He may win anyway. Platner, the Democrats... It is Michigan. That's right. And the Democrats are stuck with Platner. And he's settled. He said so many things that are out there, you know, and he's got this machine behind him. Bernie Sanders behind him.

He's a socialist. He talks about not just the Iran war, but the Iraq war. And he wants to pack the Supreme Court. That's right. That's right. He wants to do that. But if it comes down, if the Democrats do the impossible and carry, you know, Texas or Alaska, and they lose because they don't get control of the Senate because they nominated one of these lefties in Maine or Michigan, that's what Annie's talking about.

We don't know how this is going to work out. And so there may be, you know, there may be a middle ground here. Kamala Harris ran in my mind not a great campaign when she was the presidential nominee. She didn't hold a single press conference. But one thing she did in Chicago when she talked about this issue was she spoke, I thought, smartly and empathetically about both Palestinians and Israelis. And depending on what happens in November, the Democrats, what Andy's suggestion, and I think this is a possibility, they may move back towards that.

It doesn't have to be all in on Israel. It doesn't have to be this bashing of Zionism. They could have a more nuanced position. But whether they do will depend, I think, on whether they control the senator or not. That's an interesting point. I don't really agree because the numbers of Democrats, like Democrats' approval of Israel and of U.S. involvement and the partnership with Israel are so, it's like 80, 90 percent against. It's not marginal.

It's that their voters do not support Israel. Especially the young ones. The politicians are going to respond. It's a straight demographic. The young ones feel it ardently on the Republican side too. A majority of young Republicans are opposed to the alliance we have with Israel. Don't want any more aid going to Israel and are sick of Israel getting us involved in what they see as its problems. But isn't that a lot of that because of the war right now?

Yes. Yes. On the Republican side, yes. But the Democrats have seen Gaza as a genocide almost from 10-8. Exactly. They turned immediately. I'm with Megan on this, so it's a two-two tie. We've got to get somebody to break the tie.

Yeah. But look, I think that Israel is no longer avoidable. Like, it's going to be a huge issue in 26 and beyond. And I do think that the presidential contest is going to be shaken up by that issue in a way we have never seen before in America. And I think you're going to see all Democrat politicians try to make sure no one can get to their left on Israel. Now, unfortunately, here's my view. Here's my view. I don't hate Israel.

I don't hate Netanyahu. I just want him to worry about his stuff and let us worry about our concerns. However, unfortunately, what's happening is there is such an animus toward Israel right now, or at least it's government, that we're going full, hardcore, radical Islamist in our electoral politics, which is, that's not the solution, my friends. That's, we should not be going from like apex everywhere to now we've got the Muslim call to prayer three times a day, whatever times a day it is. Five. And have to deal with women's five, thank you. Like the Chevalier, who not only, you mentioned that the Hispanic guy who was defeated,

the chairman of the Hispanic Democratic caucus was rooting for a country other than the United States and the World Cup. So she, she said she's rooting for Senegal. Oh, okay, you're the one. Yeah, that's what she said. I mentioned on our show yesterday. You got to see this. This is the woman who just won, this Chevalier.

Rich Lowry did a bit on National Review on their website and their YouTube channel, outlining this exchange that she had with a reporter on what to do with an accused murderer, a hypothetical. Watch this. She recently sat down for a session with New York journalists who asked her about a murder case. Here's some of it. What should happen to somebody who's killed somebody else? I mean, I went to a sentencing last week. A man killed another man, didn't know the person just sitting on a student.

got an 18-year prison sentence. Should that person not go to prison? And what should happen instead? So you know, she replies, for prison abolitionists, I think a lot of folks misunderstand what the vision of the world actually is. There's one that actually centers this question of harm at the heart of what we're asking is, what? Why is it that there is so much harm in our society?

Another journalist falls up, but what would you do to the murderer, though? And so I'm trying to answer the question, which is that what we do is that we then put people behind bars in incredibly traumatizing conditions. Doesn't answer. Another follow-up, but did we answer what happens to the murderer? Do you not incarcerate the murderer? You know, again, I'm talking about this question between the distance between the world we want to see and the world that we're at. Again, doesn't answer.

Yet another follow-up, but can you get a little less abstract? Like she was watching a jury vote on the guy's guilty. Should it be sentenced or not? Well, this is what I'm saying, is that when that happens and as someone who has sat in so many courtrooms to me, all that's tragic. The fact that the murder happened is tragic. the fact that there's a circumstance in which that could even come to pass is tragic. And all that is a reflection of systems that allowed that circumstance to be possible. And so, you know, I've always focused my attention on how do we create systems where that's not even the possibility.

Well, Megan. I mean, that brings it home. We're going to create systems. Well, Kane slew Abel. So this is, you have to go way back to find, to get to a point in society where people weren't killing one another. But I hear that, and it dawns on me why it's taken her 15 years to get her, just her doctorate degree. She's not just very ponderous.

That's the most charitable interpretation ever from that exchange. Can you believe that, Tom? Why is there so much harm in our society? That's the question she once answered in the wake of a man being accused of murder. It's incredibly, jails have incredibly traumatizing conditions. And that's the view of a prison abolitionist. That's what she calls herself. This woman is going to be our next congresswoman.

She's going to win the general very clearly. That's so radical. Like, I just, I'm so, there's got to be a place in between. I take a bunch of APEC money and I want to do everything the Netanyahu wants me to do. And Muslim call to prayer, five times a day, prison abolitionist. I'm much more worried about the harm that the murderer suffered growing up than the harm he committed to his victim. Yeah, I mean, that's, look, I think if we focus too much on just like the Israel thing and the APEC thing, we sort of lose sight of the broader

picture, which is this woman and the other two folks, or at least one of the other folks who these are, these are Marxists, these are communists. They want to tear down Western civilizations, sort of writ large, all of the institutions, right? They want to abolish ICE. They want to abolish prisons. They want to do away with all of these things. And that's what makes them sort of, you know, there's the progressive movement and there's the Democratic Socialists and then there's, and then there, you know, we were saying, I said

earlier, like, the communists don't have their nose under the tent of the Democratic Party. They're in the tent, right? They're already inside the tent now. And all of these folks, Hakeem Jeffries and everybody. who are unwilling to sort of push back on that, are just saying, look, we're a big tent party. We got to, you know, it's just a different viewpoint. So it's one little district.

That is the way you find yourself with a real problem where you have a caucus inside the Democratic Party that is anti-American, it's anti-Western civilization, and they are working actively. And that's when the Democratic brand is going to start suffering, right? And I think that's what centrist Democrats are pulling their hair out about right now. And it's only going to get worse, the more of these people go on TV and say these crazy things. Crazy, crazy things. You saw, Carl, that they had, this woman Chevalier,

she won with young and college educated and white, and that her opponent won with minorities, blacks and Hispanics in the district. This makes perfect sense to me because that particular district starts around the 100 block of the Upper West Side. I lived about 14 blocks away from that, and it's a very nice neighborhood. It's, you know, totally gentrified. It's beautiful. And it's a very good neighborhood up for another maybe 20 blocks. And then it starts to get a little bit more crime-ridden and has more minorities and the housing's a little cheaper.

And all those people need cops. And they like cops, notwithstanding what we hear from the BLMers. And it was the white people who live 14 blocks north of where I did who voted this nutcase in with her prison abolitionist stuff. and her, she doesn't want to just defund the cops. She wants to get rid of cops. And frankly, I think she wants to get rid of America. Well, that's what Andy wrote a piece for us this week about Antonio Gramsci, the long-dead Italian communists who Mamdani quoted reverentially.

And that was what he wanted to do. He, you know, because the economic revolution had not arrived on time, he's writing in the 1920s, you know, he thought, well, we just have to tear down the institutions that keep people happy, the church, the family, the state. And this is, this is, this is not me. This is the guy he quoted, Mamdami, and these are his candidates. But beyond sort of the nuttery, when you get to a point where she won't answer a question about somebody, this guy was convicted of murdering someone he didn't know he was given

18 years. She was asked if that's appropriate and wouldn't answer. It comes to a point where you're talking about people who seem incapable of abstract reasoning, Because the question the interlocutor was too polite to ask with, what if someone shot you in the head? Would you think that they should be punished? Or should they be allowed to just go around and shoot anybody who's political views they don't like? I mean, you know, that sounds absurd, but that's the kind of absurdity that that comes to mind when you talked about a person who doesn't, who doesn't, won't answer a question about incarceration of a murder. The other point, Megan, we talked about it.

And just quickly, her response was basically, Carl, hurt people, hurt people. I know. I know. But the other thing is I was thinking, and we talked about this briefly, we didn't really get to touch on. I'm curious what you think. If you don't believe in police department, you don't believe in the government, you don't believe in the U.S. military, you don't believe in borders. You don't believe in the right of the United States to project military abroad, power abroad to defend its own interest in its own people and its own values. And you think we had to open borders. What you're really saying, it seems to me, is you don't respect the sovereignty of the United States. You don't really believe in the country. the nation. And they don't say that like that, but that seems the obvious implication. They don't really even believe in the idea. Totally. Yeah. Can I make one more quick point about her? Yes, please. You know, she was on, she was on, I think, MS now the other night talking about how she, you know, she, she, the affordability thing was really personal to her because she was, you know, wondering how she could make, make ends meet to live in the city that she loved so much. And then you realize that she went to college in 2012. And she was, you know,

She's been basically a professional student for ever since, for 14 years. She's never held a job. She went to Columbia. Yeah. And now she converted to Islam because that's what happens. Great job, Columbia. Yeah. And guess what?

It's the firefighters and the police and the plumbers that are going to end up paying her student loans when she wants forgiveness for the, I'm sure, hundreds of thousands of dollars that she's racked up. And, you know, she's sorry that she can't afford her $5 matches on the Upper West Side. I mean, it's just, it's beyond parity. Well, you know, just... So true. Wait, Andrew, I got one for you.

You probably saw this, but the former Democratic National Committee head, Jamie Harrison, wrote in a sub-tweet. I say this with no ill will or animosity. If you hate the Democratic Party, then please don't run for our nomination. Don't use our resources. Don't rely on our volunteers. Don't use our infrastructure. Don't ask Democrats to invest their time, money, and energy in your campaign. Focus on building the party you actually support.

this is a very interesting plea. I get it. I see why he's upset, but that's not the way it works. These DSA nut cases know very well they'll do much better taking over an existing party than starting from scratch on a new one. And they're getting better and better at actually doing it. I mean, it's not a huge number. They've got, what, six now, either in or on their way to Congress. But they're not going to listen to Jamie Harrison. No, I mean, Carl mentioned Gramsci, and I wrote a piece about this, but, you know, part of the socialist playbook, if you will, is to make form these alliances with groups that you don't necessarily think they would ally with.

And because the idea is to sort of move the revolution forward, and you do that by striking these alliances. So when you hear of, like, you know, why are they allied with Muslims? why are they aligned with gays? It's all because it serves this greater purpose that Carl pointed out, which is basically trying to tear down the basic institutions of Western society, including the family, organized religion, the church. So he completely is misunderstanding the strategy behind what the socialists are doing here. It's textbook.

And if I were, just to bring it to politics for a minute, If I were AOC right now, I would be worried because she's next. She is, she will be targeted by these people because she will not be far enough left for them in two years. And it's impossible to satisfy them. Tom, Tom scoffed at that on our show earlier, Megan. And he made this point. Tom laughed and I had to remind him.

I said, well, they killed Trotsky. You have to be pretty far left to not. Yeah. You have to remember that the goal here is not to. to govern, it's to tear down. And so it's, you know, tearing down AOC and causing more chaos is sort of the, that's the point of the project. Chaos is the goal. I, listen, I think, I think AOC is, I have a message. Yeah, go ahead, Tom. I was just going to say, I, I think AOC is actually in, in a perfect position because she's, she's the compromise candidate. She's acceptable to the Bernie

Sanders and the establishment to a certain degree, right? She's got one foot in that world, but she's also going to be acceptable to these radicals. And they know if she's elected that they will have sway and power with her. And I understand they want to tear things down, but I also think there's a desire to, in order to do that and do it effectively, you have to have control. And AOC is a means to that control. They're already going after Bernie Sanders as being too pro-Israel. So, yeah. He's the moderate one now.

He and she are moderates. Here's my message. Here's my word of caution to Republicans and moderate Democrats who are, have had it with Israel's influence over American politics. Legit, fine, you got to find some normie candidate who shares those views. The answer is not to go to these loons and put them in office. Like, you can't, it would be the same thing. as remember we saw those videos right after 10-7 when some anti-Israel sentiment exploded.

And we saw, like, gays for Hamas, you know, gays for Palestinians or whatever. And, like, people were over there, like, with these Arabs who were covered, not Arabs, but, like, Muslims who were covered head to toe in the hijab and they're dancing. And then they tried to say, like, yeah, gays, gays. And they were like, what, no? And the gays were like, what do you mean? We're not aligned? And it was like, no, no, no, you know, like stone the gaze basically is their position. And they were like, oh, maybe our new union isn't as wonderful as we thought.

You can't be those people. You have to remember your core of, like, you can be upset with the Israeli influence. You can do something. We can generate our own candidates on team sanity who see it the way we do. But the answer is not to go support these lunatics because in the war getting five time a day prayer. You're getting radical. No more U.S. Senate. No more funding for the Pentagon.

No more police at all. forget funding police. No more police, no more prisons. It's like a dystopian wish list out of the very dark BLM days when they went really nuts on that sort of small segment. And now these people have made it their plat, that's the platform of the Democratic Socialists of America. They just revised and put it out a couple weeks ago. John Fund had a great article on it in NR. Okay, stand by, quick break. Back to you guys. So much more fun coming up our way. Feeling sluggish, bloated, not quite like yourself, life constantly bombards us with silent threats. Process foods, artificial light, nonstop stress, all of which can disrupt gut health, drain your energy,

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Now, there's puff pieces in media. Every once in while, every Paul is going to get a good puff piece done by a magazine like people. We know that. That's fine. You have something to promote and they say nice things about it. This is so over the top, someone should be fired. And that someone is named Janine Rubenstein, who is editor at large for People magazine. She wrote both of them.

She's a disgrace to the profession. I actually just looked up like what does Janine Rubinstein do? I've never heard of this woman who writes for people. And this is what they say. She's written, hold on, my team is just sending me. She's prior to people. She's written for essence, the Cape Times newspaper and Los Angeles magazine. But what I read about her at People is that she's the host of the People Everyday podcast,

a daily dose of breaking news, pop culture, and heartwarming human interest. stories. Formerly senior editor of music content. She's also covered crime, human interest, and television news throughout her many years with the brand. What word are you missing there? Politics, right? She doesn't cover hard news at all. And you can tell. All right. Two articles. One, Barack and Michelle Obama in their most personal interview yet, quote, we are each other's counterbalance. This is her writing. I'm going to get through it. It's in the way his hand rests gently on her knee. The way she crinkles her nose at the joke she's probably heard before.

The way they can speak at the same time but somehow never seem to talk over each other. It's in the details. After nearly 34 years of marriage and perhaps because of the minutia and magnitude of what time encompassed, the love between former President Barack Obama 64 and former First Lady Michelle Obama 62 is palpable. I don't know if it's been an equal partnership, he says, but it's worked out for me pretty well. I've gotten more out of this than she has. For her, it's probably more of a mixed bag.

Then the second piece. People magazine, same writer. Every photo from Barack and Michelle Obama's people cover shoot at their massive new Chicago center, exclusive. Buckle up. When the pair arrived, you could feel the excitement and joy.

They both had a half. head of showcasing the center two and for the south side Chicago community they love so much. You could also feel the love emanating between them, as if there's such a thing as 34-year-old married newlyweds. Wait, not done. The gentle touches, easy laughter and smiles, made the shoot fly by with ease as they moved from one set up to the next. Their love, like the pieces on the walls around them, presents like a work of fine art,

painstakingly crafted over time, using a hodgepodge of materials until no more tinkering can make it any better. A joy to witness. Here's the truth. She's making us all hot and bothered. Here's the truth about their relationship. Let's run our little montage. one word to describe your next chapter. One word.

Fun. Me. I'm so glad I didn't have a boy. Like you ever throw a third? Because he would have been a Barack Obama. Oh, we had a baby Barack. It would have been amazing. No, I would have felt for him.

We're empty nesters. It's like, well, what are we going to talk about? So we're together all day. And we do this thing where it's like, I'll see him. And it's like what you've been doing. It's like, oh, don't. tell me until dinner because we're we got to have something to talk about at dinner. The way you're chewing makes me want to smack you upside the head. Even in my marriage now, you know, you go through

the period of I want him to be different. I want him to do this differently. I've grown to know I don't have control over him just like he doesn't have control over me. So let me do my work and let him do our work and together we come together as whole people. We can. We can. be here all day. I've got 20 more. That's awesome. So I feel we've been misled by People Magazine, guys. What do you make of me? You've made Tom's day, Megan.

He's writing Tom's Alley with the media. Well, listen, I've written a couple profiles over the years and I can tell you if I turned anything that sounded like that to Carl, he would throw it straight in the trash. I mean, so ridiculous. But look, on one hand, it's not surprising. The Obamas have always gotten this unbelievably adoring press coverage, even from like the quote-unquote hard news. I mean, you remember who was it? It was somebody from the Chicago Tribune

who asked him this, you know, ridiculous question after he got reelected about what a, you know, great person he was and all these things. Don't leave Chris Matthews out. Remember Steve Croft? I'm 60. Yeah, God. I mean, you could go on and on. And then you go to, you know, you go to sort of the fluffier, you know, magazine. like Vogue and people, and it's just, it's ridiculous and it's over the top. I mean, obviously, to the point that you just, the montage you just played, there's a bunch of evidence suggesting that it's not all just, you know, butterflies and rainbows and unicorns for the obamas.

Yeah, I know, right? I gotta say, I got to say this, I'm starting to like her more and more because she's, it's like a housewife show. It's like she's the housewives of Chicago or something. I mean, that kind of like, you know, in your face, you know, wagging the finger. I mean, come on. It's reality TV. Andy, Andy's doing the finger with.

I've never seen that before. Carl, it's as if that were not insulting enough that what I just read to you, they have these pictures of the two of them. And the captions are just as inane as the writing in the piece. So a bunch of them sort of, you know, fall. on each other, embracing at the Obama Center, the formal pose, smiling for the camera, top of the tower, leaning on the rail. Why is this in a caption, in a magazine, in the atrium, the cover shot?

This is like a photographer's notes to himself about what each of these is a candidate for, you know, like it's short form. It's the one where they're on the rail that somehow made it into People magazine and as the official caption, leaning on the rail, as though we're supposed to appreciate this as like a work of art. They leaned, Carl, they leaned, they leaned right after they were in the atrium

as they passed through the open change lobby, which is the thing. You know, I was thinking of that. So these two don't seem to have any illusions. I don't know how they con, I don't know how they got this writer to write the, she did. But the other day, he was asked Obama,

In a friendly interview, they're all friendly, as Tom pointed out. You know, what do you do, you know, to relax and recharge? And Obama, you know, went, tried to think of something profound. And Michelle wasn't having a shoes. He golfs. That's what he does. And so I think they know who they are. And as you're reading that, I had this picture in my mind, Megan, of those two meeting

at dinner, if they've been apart all day long. And she's reading it, and they're both laughing. And she said, it makes her so amused. She says he can have a cigarette after. dinner it's okay because he you know how did he get this how did he charm this woman to write this stuff and he says really can I have a cigarette

and he's smoking and they're laughing about this piece the way we are now so maybe I don't think they have any illusions of what I'm trying to say I know this is like a fun parlor game but honestly Tom can you imagine this ever

being done for Donald and Melania Trump no I mean and it was It wasn't even done for George W. Bush and Laura, you know. I mean, it's- And they clearly were very much in love. And they clearly were very, yeah, very much in love and had been married for a long, long time. But, you know, I mean, even Joe and Jill got, despite the fact she's like walking off stage without him, you know, like all this stuff.

Yeah. And Megan, I covered the White House when Bush was president W. And one time he was like, late, he was going running and we got this early pool call. It was down in Crawford and Bush. But he said he was late, and he wasn't really late. And he said, he leaned over, I think it was Ron Forney of AP. And he says, you're late. He said, I was having some quality time with the first lady.

And it was so genuine. We all kind of blanched. You can see you kind of regretted saying it. And we went our merry way. Hey, we'd much rather that they have some quality time with the first lady than with the 16-year-old intern, like J.F.K. reportedly did. I think she was 19. But the media will gloss right over that stuff to protect Camelot with the Trump's, not so much.

We will not be engaging in any of these fictions, which they clearly are. These two do not like each other. She cannot stand him. And how do I know that from her? We're going to play more of her tomorrow. I can think of another five bites off the top of my head. In the meantime, check out Real Clear Politics. Guys, thanks for joining us.

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