The Megyn Kelly Show - Shock Nancy Guthrie 2013 Today Show Segment, Ben vs. Piers, and Charlie Kirk's Mission of Dialogue and Debate, with Andrew Kolvet and Blake Neff | Ep. 1270

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

Megyn Kelly discusses a shocking uncovered Today show segment from 2013 showing Nancy Guthrie in her bedroom, the details it could reveal about the items in her bedroom for a potential abductor or someone pretending to send ransom notes, Whoopi Goldberg's ridiculous framing that the Iran war is being used to distract from Nancy Guthrie, Whoopi now auctioning off her strange items for thousands of dollars, Gwyneth Paltrow auctioning off her weird stuff too, the disingenuous attacks Ben Shapiro has leveled at Piers Morgan, the absurd attempt to dictate what other hosts do and say on their shows, and more. Then Andrew Kolvet and Blake Neff, producers of The Charlie Kirk Show, join to discuss the media and leftists spinning the Islamic terror attack in New York into an attack on Mayor Mamdani, CNN's Abby Phillip’s false claims on air, the need to hear both sides of the conservative movement as we navigate the Iran war, how Charlie was such a leader about threading the very challenging needle, his past skepticism about regime change while still having trust in the president, how the team is holding up at the six-month mark since Charlie’s tragic death, how they are continuing to remember and honor him and continue his mission, Charlie's efforts to stop the right from attacking each other, and more.   Kolvet- https://x.com/AndrewKolvet Neff- https://x.com/BlakeSNeff   Herald Group: Learn more at https://GuardYourCard.com Sundays for Dogs: Upgrade your dog’s food without the hassle—try Sundays for Dogs and get 50% off your first order at https://sundaysfordogs.com/MEGYN50 or use code MEGYN50 at checkout. Riverbend Ranch: Visit https://riverbendranch.com/ | Use promo code MEGYN for $20 off your first order. Birch Gold: Text MK to 989898 and get your free info kit on gold     Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow  Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show. We are continuing to broadcast from a remote location where my family's on spring break, though I am not. First of all, an apology yesterday because it appears our show did not upload onto Apple until overnight last night, which is very annoying. We don't know why Apple is frustratingly non-communicative. But it's up now. So hopefully you've listened to that and you'll listen to today's. So you can catch up on all the news. We did a deep dive on Nancy Guthrie, which was interesting. And we talked a lot about Iran, of course, because this is dominating the news. A lot to get to today. If you can believe it, that homicidal maniac, Lindsay Graham was right back on Hannity last night, getting as much pushback as he's gotten thus far, meaning zero. Zero. I mean, I don't think it is the Sean Hannity show. I think it's the Lindsay Graham show.

this is why, you know, you need a firm hand on the teller over there because somebody needs to intervene and tell them that the way journalism is practiced is there's pushback. When someone continues to make frothing at the mouth claims about how many countries we should bomb as the United States, someone a responsible host would say, oh, but gee, what about the human death toll? Oh, but gee, how does that endanger the United States of America? None of that is happening there. It's really crazy to me. And equally crazy over on CNN is Abby Phillip, who is not only allowing, but actually pushing herself the lie that what happened in New York City the other day with this attempted terrorist attack with the two IEDs was an attack, a terror attack on Mayor

Mbdani, that it was a Muslim being attacked by IEDs at a white supremacist rally. That's exactly the opposite of what happened. It was radical Muslims launching the bombs, attacking those who were protesting, and cops. The bomb was thrown at the cops who were on duty. But this passes for journalism over on CBS, and by the way, CNN, and by the way, CBS was also complicit. Running a story that when they talked about those who threw the bombs showed MAGA supporters. Like it was MAGA who threw the bombs. Like the medium manipulation right now is kind of out of control.

You've got to really buckle up and just go with your trusted sources because right now everyone's trying to manipulate you. We are not. Here on this show, I'll tell you if it's my opinion versus a fact. The last thing I want, my worst nightmare is to have my audience running around out there with the wrong facts from me. And I promise never to do that with you. I will tell you when it's facts as opposed to my opinion. and you can filter it appropriately. In just a bit, we're going to be joined by our pals from Turning Point.

We've got Charlie Kirk producers, Andrew Colvette, and Blake Neff. They co-hosted the Charlie show now. Amazingly, it's been six months since we lost Charlie as of yesterday. I mean, it has been a lifetime in some ways. You know, it's like you see these clips of Charlie online, and you miss him so much. He had so much wisdom. Like, he had so many thoughts and so many things, and he had warned us all about so many things, including war with Iran.

I'd give anything to be able to hear him now, right? I think he would support the administration, though not the war. That's my own take. That's my guess is Charlie was very, very opposed to a war with Iran, understanding. Young people didn't want that. It was potential for Quagmire, but he loved the president. And I think, you know, he would not have wanted to undermine the president and the administration. And I understand that, too.

I would say I have less of that, you know, protective instinct because I'm, Charlie wasn't a journalist. He was a, you know, a political operative and a very smart pundit and a thought leader and a faith leader. I'm going to do a bit of a different role, but also feel loyalty to the president and absolutely want to see him succeed and us succeed and our troops succeed here. But I also feel it's my patriotic duty to object when I do and not be shy about saying, I don't think this is a good idea. Our sponsor, the Electronic Payments Coalition, says Washington politicians are always getting in your wallet, and now they're messing with your credit card.

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in a 2013 episode of the Today Show. It was a segment in which Savannah Guthrie was interviewing her mom, the mom live in her home in Tucson, Arizona, Savannah live on the Today Show set in New York, it was a lighthearted segment about how to make your bed. Apparently, Nancy Guthrie is big on making your bed and had taught Savannah exactly how it ought to be made. And they decided to do one of those fun segments where, like, they have beds on set and the anchors will try to do Nancy's way. And that's what they did. But you are about to see inside Nancy Guthrum's bedroom.

Keep in mind, Savannah said her mother was taken from her bed in the dark of night. Well, you're about to see her bed in her house. It's the same house she's had since 1991. You're about to see it for the first time. This is from 2013. Watch this. My mom is up early in Tucson, Arizona. Nancy Guthrines us now.

Hi, Mom. Good morning. Well, I see everybody. Hi, ma'am. I see that you've already made your bed, even though it's 3 a.m. there or whatever. Mom, why was this an important skill to teach me? Well, I think everybody needs to know how to make a bed.

And so when the time came to teach you guys, how to make a bed. This is what I tried to teach you anyway. Now this is not just your standard bed making. This is the hospital corners bed making. We're talking you can bounce a quarter off of it, right Nancy? Natalie, don't put me to the test. It's way too early. She's backing off. Nancy, I just want to know how difficult Savannah was when you try to teach her this. How much screaming and stomping her feet were it was involved? All three of the kids thought it was a really worthless skill. Oh, how do we do it? First, you show everybody how to do it, okay?

And then you can judge how we do it. Okay, that sounds like a plan. Well, basically, since my bed's already made, the most important thing you have to do is to make sure this top sheet is really pulled in here tightly. Because that's going to give you your smooth corner. Then you pull this over, and you make kind of like a triangle.

I remember that. Don't get started doing. And then you tuck it under as tightly as you can. But here's the little skill. See this nice corner? You want to make sure that's as tight as can be. And you can keep cookies in. Then when you sleep at the, yeah, there you go.

And then mom, when you sleep in the middle of the night, it doesn't pull out. All right. That's because for Gabe, this would be a toy bed. Mom, thank you so much. It's so good to see you. Thanks for coming on the show. I know it's early there. Thank you.

early. Bye, bye. Okay. So what's interesting about that clip is you can see where she slept every night and you can see exactly what this abductor must have walked into. I mean, does anybody's mother dramatically overhaul their bedroom when they're in their 80s, 70s? I mean, that was what, 13 years ago? So Nancy Guthrie would have been 70, 70, just about 70. whatever. She may or may not have, but the point is simply you can see right into her bedroom and generally the way it was and the way it was set up and she lives in the same house.

And what you're seeing for the listening audience is a bed that's, it looks like it's a king, might be a queen, queen at the smallest. And right next to it, you can see the side table with a small lamp and some books stacked there. And maybe a foot and a half off of that is the window is a window leading right into her bedroom. So she clearly had a window leading outside that would have taken you right into Nancy's bedroom, which suggests, I mean, I don't know, actually. I guess I shouldn't say whether it's on the first floor. I think the whole house is a ranch. So it would have been directly to the outside of the home and possibly accessible. We don't know how the intruder walked in. We know that the back door was reportedly found open and that there was reportedly forced entry.

The cops are not confirming that, but that was Ashley Bannfield reporting early on. And we know that we saw an intruder mess with the front door. and at least consider trying to go through that way. But so you see another, then you see a small bookcase, like maybe a two-shelf bookcase that's low, would kind of fit underneath the window. And what looked to me like a VCR or DVD player, you know, again, this is 2013, underneath it. And so here's why I think this is interesting, because we had an alleged kidnapper note

early on in the Nancy Guthrie scandal, claiming they knew exactly. where she kept her Apple watch, and they had described something inside Nancy's bedroom that led some, according to Harvey Levin, Sheriff Harvey, as Zach Peter calls him, Harvey's saying that they were taking these alleged ransom notes very seriously, and that the police had reportedly spun their wheels quite a bit on these notes. Did those people behind that note see this segment? Because you could describe, I could go right now and write a very convincing kidnap note on Nancy Guthrie.

I could describe the inside of that room to a T. And if you didn't know that the Today Show had aired that footage in 2013, you would be very convinced that I had been inside Nancy Guthrum's bedroom, and I never have been, right? I could describe the brown carpeting. I could describe the tan bedspread. I could describe the ornate head of the bed where it's sort of wooden, and it's got four arches.

and an intricate design. I could describe the lamp right next to the bed, which is sort of princess style old-fashioned, the DVD player, the window right there with some sheer white curtains. I mean, I could convince you. So this is a crazy piece of tape to surface. We found it, and I wonder whether the authorities are even aware that this was broadcast publicly. This is the thing, you guys. It's... mentioned this to you, but having been at the Today Show for a short time, they do really lean on you to overshare. You know, they leaned on me to overshare. It's not born out of nefarious intent. They want the audience to feel like they know you. And I get that, but you have to be

really careful. Like I know all of, I think all of the Today Show hosts show their children and their faces on TV, certainly Savannah does, Hoda. And it's very dangerous. It's dangerous. The mom is a different story. I mean, I showed my mom too. Prior to this, nobody ever thought their mom could be potentially endangered. You know, it was just, this is a whole new kind of crime.

But to actually go into the bedroom and show off, like, the most intimate area of her mom's life, may have given somebody some sort of way of manipulating, either the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff's Department by being able to say you knew what it looked like or potentially giving you a roadmap for what you would encounter once you got into that bedroom if you were a bad guy willing to do some homework. That's just speculation. We don't know whether that's what happened. But it's a shocking thing to see because all this time, these past, you know, six weeks, 39 days, I think we're at now, we've been talking about how she was taken out of her bed and out of her bedroom in the middle of the night. And now we see

exactly what that would have looked like. And there's something very eerie about it. It just makes me want to pray for Nancy Guthrie even harder. This poor woman, there she was more vibrant, you know, 13 years ago, as we all were 13 years ago. And, you know, standing on her own two feet looking not like a young woman, but younger than when she was taken. And you picture her more feeble and in that bed as any 84-year-old would be. scared out of her mind as somebody came into that small room and grabbed her. It's awful. On a related note today, there is an article in the New York Post that is all about Sheriff Nanos and how he was forced to resign from his first job. The reason I want to talk to you

about this just briefly is because we've been discussing on the show. I'm trying to pull up the article, so forgive me for just looking at my phone here. But we've been discussing how this man is not careful. You know, if you watch yesterday's show, which again did not download on Apple, but if you listen to it on Spotify, you heard it or you saw it on YouTube, how he's not careful, this guy.

He's been not careful with his words, and one wonders whether he's been careful with this investigation. You know, it leads right to whether we're dealing with some criminal mastermind who committed this crime or some dufus who got lucky because he had another duphs, running the investigation on the other side. These are questions we have not yet had answered.

But there's an article in the New York Post today writing about how Nanos was forced to resign from his very first policing job reading here to avoid being fired over embarrassing blunders and then posted a resume online that fudged the dates of his employment. He started in the El Paso Sheriff's Department and was forced out in 1982, but his resume would later suggest he left in 1984, which, is not true. They write that he racked up a laundry list of infractions ranging from excessive force to off-duty gambling to improperly using his siren and simple tardiness. They're citing the Arizona Republic for this report. Those missteps, including an allegation that he kicked a suspect

in the head so badly they were hospitalized, landed Nanos with 37 days of unpaid leave in the early 80s, and resulted in him finally being told to either step down or get canned, according to this outlet, Arizona Republic. He took the resignation option, but messed up the dates in his publicly posted resume, which stated that he remained with El Paso until 1984, two years longer than he did. The sheriff's office acknowledged the inaccuracy, this is present day, I believe, calling it another missed, calling it and another misday, quote, the clerical errors that had been corrected, but Nanos himself brushed off when pressed. I get it because this is 1982. He says, that's your urgent request. You're sure you don't want to go back to my high school and ask why I got

swats from the principal. Good luck with your hip piece, he told the Republic. But again, what's interesting about it is that he's been making confusing and contradictory statements about this investigation from the beginning. And here we see it's a pattern with this guy. It's a pattern. And, you know, as you get an up-close view into the bedroom of the missing woman, the crime scene. This is our first look at the crime scene. It gives you a more full picture of what poor Nancy was up against on the moment she was taken. And what she's been up against and the Guthrie family's been up against ever since, which is an investigator who does not seem careful, does not seem attentive to detail in the way you'd want if this were your mother. And poor Nancy, a sitting duck

in that small, quiet, elderly woman's room, which should have been the picture of safety. And as we all know now, was not. Wanted to talk to you about not exactly a related segment, but what a transition for us. The View and Whoopi Goldberg and her take on why we are now involved in the Iran war. Believe it or not, it's going to tie Nancy Guthrie and Iran. Ron together. Watch this. It's just nutty as hell. It's nutty as hell.

And you're right. Every day is something new. And it's, you know, I was thinking about it yesterday because I thought, well, okay, why haven't we been talking about Savannah Guthrie and what's going on there? Why haven't we not been talking about the Epstein files? Because that's still there. Yeah. This is meant to get us so worked up that we are unable to see anything else. I mean, that is true crazy talk.

How does ABC allow this person to go on the air every day and talk to us about the news? So we launched the Iran war in which seven U.S. service personnel have died, and the latest is 140 have been wounded. Most, not seriously, thank God, but some seriously. that President Trump would do that to distract from the Nancy Guthrie, from the Nancy Guthrie skin. I'm sorry to laugh. It's just the absurdity of it is so readily apparent. How did no one run out there with one of their little producer notes saying, you're fucking crazy, madam. That's crazy talk. The Epstein thing is also crazy, but it's been more widespread.

So, like, that's your standard garden variety. leftist crazy talking point, the stuff about like Nancy Guthrie, Trump doesn't want people talking about Nancy Guthrie. So we invaded Iran, not invaded, but attacked. What? That's insane. That's not a well person. And while we're on the subject of whoopee, and I'll get back to Iran in a moment, but while we're on the subject of whoopee, we've been trying to get to this for a couple of days. Can I just, I want to show you something from Whoopi Goldberg, who's constantly, despite the fact that she is, she's like another Michelle Obama, despite the fact that she is one of the richest, most successful Americans in U.S. history. She's one of those people who's got the EGOT, you know, the Emmy,

the Grammy, the Oscar, and the Tony. She's been lauded on every stage. She's a movie star. She's a household name. She hosts this show every day where she gets to express her opinions. She's a multi, multi-millionaire. She still complains regularly. about what a racist country this is and backward country and how hard it is to be black in America like Whoopi is. Okay, just watch this. Every day we are worried. Do we have to be worried about our kids? Are there our kids going to get shot because they're running through somebody's neighborhood? But I think it's important we remember there are places much darker than this country

and people who deserve right. Not everybody feels that way. Not everybody feels that way. Racism is in the heart of the country. It just, you can't get away from it. It is a fact racism does exist. It is a fact that slavery existed. You can't cover it up. You can't bury it deep enough. There's too many of us.

We already know. I don't understand why it's still so difficult to just admit. Racism is and has been part of U.S. history. They lynched black folks. Black folks didn't climb up in the United States. and lynch themselves. Okay, literally nobody's trying to erase that from history. This is a left-wing lie that Republicans are trying to whitewash slavery out of the history

books. It is a lie. Just because Republicans are not obsessed with critical race theory and DEI and are trying to erase, remove that scourge from our school textbooks where it has no place, if you want to sign up for that bullshit kind of class in college, go for it. It's your money to waste. public education where most parents are slaves to the system does not need that propaganda shoved down our children's throats. History, slavery, obviously. This is a left-wing lie in response

to the removal from race indoctrination by some Republican or more right-leaning school districts. In any event, so that's Whoopi. She's very obsessed with racism, I guess because the country's been so bad to her? Well, guess what Whoopi did this week? She put some portion, a large portion from the look of it of her belongings up for auction. And we actually got our hands on the auction promotion. And we are getting to take a look at what it is that Whoopi would like you to buy. There is, I mean, this is the stuff she's willing to discard. It's like meaningless to her, so she doesn't want it anymore.

An 18-carat white, gold, Tanzanite, and Diamond Ring. You can get it for $9,000. if you happen to have $9,000 to spare on a random ring. Look at that. Very pretty. Means fucking nothing to her. She's like, take it. I don't care.

I don't need my $9,000 ring. Here's a late art deco, 14,000 yellow, gold, synthetic ruby and diamond cigarette case for $6,000. Do you have a $6,000 cigarette case? Do you need one? Because whoopee's got one to spare. This is the oppressed person who wants you to feel sorry for her because of her black skin. She's oppressed in America. So, you know, you can see it in her $6,000 art deco cigarette case, gold-plated.

Here's a worn $14,000 rose in yellow gold and opal cicada pendant necklace for $3,500. $3,500. All right? So right now we're at $50,000. We're almost at $20,000. That's just off the top of my head. just looking at a few of the items. There's an antique $18,000 yellow gold pocket watch worth $1,750. She's asking for $7,000. Do you have a $1,700 pocket watch? Well, you're the oppressor.

If you're white, I don't care whether you have one and you don't. You oppress this lady. Your white skin makes you the oppressor and whoopee the victim, even though she has a $1,700 pocket watch. Who the hell even has any sort of a pocket watch in 2026 America? Well, she wants you to have it, and you can have it for the low, low price of 1750. Then there's no, there's no. the more absurd items, okay? There is Peepek by what's his name, peeing balloon dog. This will run you $600 if you want her peeing balloon dog. It is a yellow.

It looks like a balloon dog in red on a pile of yellow pee, on what looks like plastic yellow pee. And she will charge you $600 if you want this offer for website. Then there's the Denise Vasquez vinyl whoopey money doll for. for 200 bucks. I don't know what we're looking at here, but I'm afraid. It's a miniature of whoopee looking very angry, which is, I mean, she's scary enough without the weird, like they've made her Asian. And I don't know what's going on. It's a strange little thing, but it'll cost you 200 beans. 2010, the Lion King Broadway and the View worn headdress for 800 bucks. So it looks like a pineapple. It's a pineapple hat. I guess she wore it on the View. So she gets to charge you $800. $500. 15 people are. have bid on this thing. She goes to charge you $800 for this. Cindy Lopper signed memoir for $700. So Cindy Lopper signed a memoir for Whoopi. The note reads, you can see it signed.

Whoopi, I hope you like this book. You've always inspired me to contribute to the whole world. Thanks, XX, Cindy. Who auctions off a personal gift that is signed to them for $700? No offense, Cindy. I couldn't give two shits about it. you or your stupid book. I'm auctioning it. Like, who doesn't even just give that away if you're going to give it away? Like, is she hard up for cash? I think she's hard up for cash for some reason. I'm not sure why else she would be doing that. You can buy the actual memoir of Cindy Lopper for $1495 at Walmart, or you can pay $700 to get the one that's been signed by her to someone else, not to you, at Whoopie's auction.

There's the six black folk art dolls antique and reproduction for $150, six black folk art dolls. And sure enough, it looks like black people, little miniature black people. I don't know what they're wearing dresses. I guess this is like historical. It looks from like the olden days folk. I guess this is their folkwear. What was she doing with these? Where were these in her house?

I love to get a look at Woobie's house pre-auction. By the way, there's tons of furniture. There's a baby grand piano up for, you know, auction. She's just kind of auctioning off her baby grand, like one does. There's a Royal Vienna-style porcelain picture for $75. That one features a white woman. You can get that one cheap. $75.

The white lady's going cheap. Get it now while you can. $75 for this pitcher. You can get a nice pitcher at crate and barrel for $30 instead if you want. And then there's the Morgenthau Frederick's eyeglasses, one pair, multi-even worn. Three, oh, three pairs, so three pairs. Three hundred and fifty bucks for three pairs of Whoopi's weird ass worn sun eyeglasses. Like, do they have a prescription? Are they, what am I buying, Whoopee? But I'm just buying them to look like you? I don't know. But this is one of America's

most oppressed people selling you her used eyeglasses for three. $350 and her weird little knickknacks for $75, $150, and her personally gifted books. Now, I would be remiss if I moved on from this segment without mentioning Gwyneth Paltrow, because while we were over there searching for Whoopi's weird items, we ran into Gwineth Paltrow's auction items of note. And she might be even weirder than Whoopi. First of all, she's auctioning off a picture of her ex-husband. And who does that?

Who takes, like, what clearly once meant something to her, a photograph of her husband, Chris Martin, the lead singer of Colplay, and auctions it for the low, low price of $100, it only has four bids. People are not that interested. It's really not that compelling, I guess. Then here's the capper. Then there is a naked picture of Gwyneth. So if you would like to see a naked picture of Gwyneth, she can't actually see her private part. She's got like the hand over the breasts. Demi Moore style when Demi was pregnant on the cover of the magazine.

And she's got the other hand over the Vaj. 2008 signed Mario Testino photograph portrait, $250. $250 she wants. Got seven bids. Who has a naked picture of themselves framed in their homes? Because this is framed. She clearly had that done and had it up on her wall. And I guess now she has new naked pictures of herself or something, so she wants you to have it,

and you can, for $250. She's auctioning off her Coldplay Economuff earmuffs for $50. Clearly a gift from her husband, $50. Okay. So, you know, I mean, the love goes stale, and I guess so do the earmuffs, which look more like headphones. Maybe it's just what they call Coldplay headphones. I don't know, but she's no longer into them. And she's apparently no longer into the Jeffrey Dahmer eyeglasses that we believe she wore to that trial when she was sued for the ski mountain mishap.

Remember, she made news for wearing, like, they were direct, they look like Jeffrey Dahmer glasses. And here they are. They're extremely ugly. And she will charge you $500 for them. They are a prescription. So just a roll of the dice on whether they fit you. You know, here's the best. This is the best thing on there.

mom's out there. Do you have a mom necklace? Most of us do. It either reads mom or it has your kids' initials on it. I have one. I'm sure you have something like it or have considered it. She's auctioning hers off. Hers reads mom. It's an 18-carat yellow gold. And you can have Gwyneth's mom necklace for $250. Can you believe this shit? Also, you can get her Birken bag for $15,000 because it's It's no longer important to Gwyneth. She doesn't care. Take her burkin bag for the low, low price of $15,000. Or I guess the best bid, to be honest, the best bid.

One other piece of Paltrow news while we're talking about her. These Hollywood celebrities are just off. There's something wrong with them. We know this. And yet they pretend to be our moral betters and they get out there and they lecture us on, you know, how we need to be better people, et cetera, all the time. Well, Gweth Paltrow made news because she's starring across. from Timothy Shalame in the film Marty Supreme.

And she's 53. He's 30. He's dating Kylie Jenner, who's also basically a child. And Gwyneth took this role, reportedly turned down by Julia Roberts because Julia understood, who's, Julie's pushing 60, that this would look totally inappropriate for her. I have to credit Julia Roberts. She doesn't do the stuff that a lot of these other celebrities do. She keeps her children out of the news.

She doesn't invent fake photo ops of herself sitting at the Starbucks like J-Lo is doing every other day. And she has taste when it comes to the project she takes on. She turned down this role, even though it's across from the new Hollywood It Boy, because she understood that there were some very steamy love scenes in which she'd have to be all over someone literally half her age. And this would neither make her comfortable doing, nor would it make her look good once. it hit the theaters. And sure enough, Gwyneth Paltrow is now experiencing backlash for the sex scenes, the very steamy sex scenes. She's done with somebody who is almost 25 years younger than she is. Our pal, Maureen Callahan, over at The Nerve, called this out. Take a listen here to Maureen.

Oh, by the way, I have to give you a warning, according to Canadian Debbie. Apparently this is rather steamy and inappropriate. So hide the children. And here's a little peek at why Maureen is upset. There's a sex scene in this movie that I found extremely disturbing. I cannot believe anybody is, I can't believe nobody else is talking about this. Again, this is why the nerve exists. Here we go.

Ms. Stone wanted to let you know that she'd love to have lunch with you. Miss Stone? That's Gwyneth. Yes. Smash cut to them having sex in the shower. He's behind her. He's got his hand wrapped around her neck, joking her. And also removing her diamond necklace, which is going to retrieve later from the drain.

But he's got his hand around her neck. And she looks like she is in ecstasy. This is what porn has done to young men. They think that this is what women want. They think this is hot. They think this is sex. see, they think this is powerful. Never let a man put his hands around your neck, no matter what.

This is disgusting. This is disgusting. I mean, shame on these filmmakers and shame on Gwyneth Paltrow, too. I mean, this is really, that's vile. And that sex scene was disturbing. Maureen has it exactly right. And, you know, Gwyneth Paltrow, she doesn't need the money. She actually doesn't need your $500 so she can give you her,

Jeffrey Dahmer glasses. I will tell you something. Most of us who have expensive items that we no longer want, donate them. Okay? Donate. I can't tell you the number of things that I've donated. I would never consider charging you for my used prescription glasses, though I will donate them. I'll donate bags. I'll donate clothing. Like, this is crazy what these women are doing. And what is with the weird exhibitionism? Why? Can't anyone in Hollywood just age? I think this is a desperate ploy by her to hold on to her youth. She's the same reason she's photographing herself naked and wanting you to look at her naked. Now, you know, in her mid-50s is the same reason she said yes to that shower scene because

she doesn't have the class or self-confidence of Julia Roberts. Again, Julia Roberts and I have very different politics. She did a very annoying ad for Kamala where she suggested Trump voters like the women would undermine their husbands who always have strict control over them by secretly voting for Kamala. They didn't have to tell. She's annoying. Let's be honest. But I'm just talking about as a human, as a woman, as a professional, a successful person in America, which we have to be happy for. You know, that's one of the biggest stars in the world. She's ours. She's made very good calls. And it's because she has some class and she clearly has some self-esteem. Gwyneth Paltrow, different story. I mean, truly, who would be?

to base themselves this way. It's never enough for these Hollywood actresses, right? Like, you can become whoopey and you still hate America. It's still racism, notwithstanding the egot and the millions and so on. You can become Gwyneth, and you can look great and be this alleged wellness guru and still a movie star and having married Chris Martin, now this other guy, whatever, consciously uncoupled from the first husband. Still, you need to be praised. You need to be admired. You need people to look at you naked. You need to do naked shower scenes with somebody who is literally 25 years younger than you, or almost, because you need people to look at you and think of you as like a sexy hot vixen,

as opposed to just like an entrepreneur and a mom and someone who looks great, like, period, as opposed to being in the news today is Margot Robbie, who's, I mean, she truly might be the most beautiful person on earth right now. She's one of them, for sure. Top 10, you'd have to say. I think she's, like, whatever Sophia Loren was when, when she was in her heyday or Brigitte Bardot, that's Margot Robbie. She's universally understood to be stunningly gorgeous. And I saw Margo Robbie in person two years ago. I was at this media

event out in Utah. It was very interesting. And here we are, the two of us together. She looks amazing. This is her, like, relatively unmade up. Both of us had a little makeup on, but not a lot. We were at this event, and we looked like two normal humans there, right? Two normal women next to each other. It was an honor to meet her. She just showed up at a fashion show,

and she looks absolutely skeletal. Hold on. I'm trying to get my note in exactly where she is. I found it. She is Paris Fashion Week at the Chanel show. Look at her. This is actually sad to me. She has lost the,

a slight, ever so slight fullness that was in her face before. Now she's got the sunken, sunken cheek. And I don't know if that is, they say all these Hollywoods are getting that bucle fact removal from their faces, which obviously she did not need. Or the speculation online is that this is Ozempic, that she decided this is her on the right looking normal and stunning. And this is her on the left looking skeletal at the Chanel show. many questioning now whether she's taking the weight loss drugs.

I don't know what the answer is. It's never enough. That's the bottom line. It's never enough for these Hollywood celebrities. Margot Robbie's not ripping on the United States, at least that I know of. So that's to her credit. But this is one of the dangers in letting your child get sucked into the Hollywood madness. We talked about Britney Spears and her DUI last week.

That's what happens when you make them childhood stars. Look at, I mean, the Kardashian-Generes are, they're not getting DUIs every day, but they are absolutely obsessed with themselves, with their appearance, which they think is everything. This whole industry, you know, this on-camera Hollywood star-led and slash influencer industry is extremely pernicious and has its values ass backwards. I'm sorry for them. I'm glad they've made a lot of money. I'm glad they feel like they're somewhat important, but I really think they needed more time with, like, solid parents who helped them learn how to fill themselves up from the inside, as opposed to looking to these false gods of money or bashing America in Whoopi's case. Honestly, that's a false god. It's a false religion that the woke do, as you know. Or, you know, extreme anorexia, which appears to be the case for Demi Moore and others in Hollywood as

some sort of filler, you know, is something that's going to make them feel better about themselves. It never does. All right, I want to keep going. We're going to have on the turning point guys in a minute, but there's a couple things that I want to get to first. And that includes the war that is unfolding between Ben Shapiro and Piers Morgan. Just by way of background, as you guys know, I was very good friends with Ben. And then he attacked me to my surprise, utter shock at the turning point event in December. He thought that I should be lumped in as like one of the problems when it comes to, I guess, anti-Semitism, even though I have spent the past two and a half years fighting anti-Semitism very, very vocally on this show, and will continue to. What we saw on college campuses,

post-107 was absolutely abhorrent. I want Mahmoud Khalil gone. I, you know, I haven't backed off of any of those views. Now I'm on his list of like cowardly people or anti-Semites, whatever. I can't keep up with it, and nor do I have any desire to. But the latest to be attacked by Ben Shapiro is Pierce Morgan. And what was his sin? His sin was platforming, in quotes, Dave Smith, who is definitely a critic of Israel, who Charlie Kirk platformed as well at Turning Point. And that's why Charlie was called an anti-Semite. Remember when Charlie and I had our long discussion about both of us who had been called anti-Semites because we went to the Turning Point event last July? And it In one very quick exchange, we talked about Jeffrey Epstein's possible ties to intelligence and said maybe it was Israel. Like literally, that's all we discussed about Israel. We were both called anti-Semites by this leading Jewish organization. It wasn't some random internet commentator. And one of the reasons Charlie also got it after that was he platformed Dave Smith across from Josh Hammer, who's as pro-Israel as they come. But you see, can't have that. Can't have a debate. So Pierce did with Dave Smith, what he always told.

does with everybody, which is he had a big panel with like six people, the pro-Israel side there, the anti-side there as well. And that was not okay with King Ben, who decided to go for him in Sot 1. So last night, I'm Pierce Morgan, which is the Jerry Springer of political television, where people gather to throw chairs at one another and determine paternity. Pierce Morgan, who has sort of made a mockery of the entire industry by putting on screen, whatever dregs are still willing to go on screen with Pierce Morgan. He had on Dave Smith, who has, you know, apparently his job is never to tell jokes, but to instead give poorly informed foreign policy tags.

And also to hate America. Here we go. So then he played the clip of Dave. So he decided that Pierce Morgan had to be reduced to a Jerry Springer-esque character, that he's a joke. And then it came out that Ben has been refusing to go on Pierce's show. and he then, Ben did, used a clip from peers' show saying the reason I don't go on his show is because he platforms Nazis. And here's the clip.

I just stopped appearing on his show. Why? Well, honestly, he kept bringing on actual Nazis and the Nazi adjacent and then treated them all too often as voices worthy of a large audience. Like, for example, these people. I believe that Jewish supremacy is the greatest threat to America. And I think it's the greatest threat the world today. I truly believe that. You think Hitler was very cool? Yes, I do.

And I'm tired of pretending he's not. It's going to be the headlines tomorrow. Pears Morgan. Israel is ISIS. Only amongst people who weren't listening. That's how I feel about those young men in Gaza. You ask me why I won't condemn them. Because those young men were born into a concentration camp.

Israel has been a terrorist state. Israel right now is imparting a genocide and a Holocaust on the Ghazan people. Listen, it's Peir's choice who he decides to have on his show and how he decides to conduct the kind of clown car battle royal that he does on a show every night. And it's my choice not to join that circus. We all make our choices and we all live with them, but some of us make our choices based on, you know, actual principles and not the clay.

Okay. So Pears has to be condemned as a Jerry Springer joke. and he's not allowed to have Dave Smith on, even if Dave Smith comes on with a bunch of pro-Israel people because Ben objects. And then Ben pulls a bunch of clips of contentious, which was not revealed by Ben, interviews that Pierce has done with various people on his show.

Well, Pierce did not take kindly to any of this. And he decided to play the other side of those interviews because Pears does push back on his guests. If he's going to have a Nick Quentes on, he's going to give him a hard time. By the way, that's how it would go on this show, too. But I've chosen not to platform him because I have absolutely no desire to talk to him or to advance his message with my audience. That's fine, though.

Peers went a different way. And I have no problem with that. I have no problem with having whatever. People do their shows the way they want to do them. And Ben was right that he doesn't have to go on Peers if he doesn't. But there was absolutely no point in attacking him, making an issue of Peers Morgan, and he's been attacking him ever since. Just because he platformed, quote-unquote,

one guy you don't like in the midst of many others who are espousing your view. I guess they have to have a monopoly on Pears' show, which you don't control, and I guess you're very upset about it. Here's peers showing the other side of those interviews. And it's outrageously disingenuous that the clips he showed did not include the parts of those interviews, where I called out every single one of them about things I didn't agree with. His montage of the same interviews could have looked like this.

You sound like a nice. I mean, why do you say that? That's literally what Nazis would have said in World War II. You think if half your family had been wiped out by very fucking cool Hitler, you'd still think he was very fucking cool? Or would you think that actually he was a despicable monster who murdered 12 million people? The comparison, which is more apatis, is ISIS and Hamas.

They are both nihilistic terror groups intent on killing as many Jewish people and others as they can possibly kill. That's not true. the numbers, okay. It's just not true. Well, Professor, with respect, I'm not going to. It's not true. Pierce, peers.

Yeah, but you have to listen to what I say. But you want me to, you want me to believe you, and you say you weren't aware of the scale of this for several days. And I find that just, I'm incredulous. You want me to believe that. This country, which was formed in 1948, by pretending to be refugees, if you will, and being invited into the homes, the Palestinians, the horrific story. They weren't pretending to be a RRGs.

They were people fleeing a Holocaust. You can take the view, as many do, that interviewing people with extreme opinions is pointless. You can stick your head in the sand like an ostrich or hide behind your very big desk in which they didn't have an audience. But they do. Totally disingenuous clip by Ben Shapiro.

He takes the controversial piece that these people have said, some of these people, and airs it as though this is peers as sin, that he's allowed these people to come on and just have his platform and spew racist talking points like, you know, Hitler's very fucking cool in the case of Nick Fentis. Without showing, you know, what Pears always does. Peers, that's his bread and butter. He loves having these mixups, even when I go on there. We had a very contentious mix up over Bad Bunny at the Super Bowl that has over 40 million views right now. People enjoy watching these spars.

Some people, this sparring. So to suggest that Pears would just allow somebody like Nick Fonters to come on and not challenge him, it's just like, disingenuous, and peers responded to the overall criticism as follows. Sophe. If you disagree with him, you're a Nazi, he says, channeling Kamala Harris. Everybody knows my position on Israel. I vehemently defended Israel's right to respond and defend itself after October the 7th. I became increasingly critical of Israel because its government's actions in Gaza became impossible to defend. If Ben listened to some of the arguments instead of just throwing tantrums about them, he might

understand why. Just as I continue to host people who defend Israel's conduct in Gaza, where many people wish I wouldn't and say I shouldn't, Ben Shapiro does. He, of course, has my phone number and my email address. He could have discussed his differences with me in private, which I would have preferred. But he hasn't bothered to even politely reply to my occasional messages for a very long time now. Oddly, since the very moment I started criticizing the Israeli government and he chooses to get on his own podcast and throw pathetic pot shots at me instead. So let me use my platform to respond directly. The difference between me and you, Ben, is that I'm heavily criticized by both sides because I listen to both sides and very often

I criticize both sides too, without fear or favor. You're only criticized by one side because you choose to err only one side and you choose to ignore or even silence the other. I'm a journalist. You are a propaganda. I'm sorry to say he's 100% right. It's very sad to me as somebody who's known Ben forever and helped make Ben 100%. He became a star on my show, The Kelly File. I'm very sorry to see this happen. And like there is absolutely no cause to go run around policing the guests on somebody else's show and trying to diminish somebody who is as interesting, but, and I mean this complimentary, benign as Pierce Morgan. Pears is not a pernicious force. Pears is an interesting

guy who's got an interesting show. Maybe it's for you. Maybe it's not. It's up to you. I think he's really interesting and I think his interviews are great. But now we have to get rid of Pierce Morgan. So obviously, in Ben's view, Tucker had to go. Clearly, even though we helped build Candace, she had to go, then I had to go, even though I've had a 15-year friendship with a guy, publicly attacked me. Same thing, not even a text in advance, even though we had had a text like literally four months or four weeks earlier saying no matter what, who were friends with, because he was mad I was friends with Tucker. Our friendship means more to us than anything, and we won't do anything to F it up. Next thing I know I get attacked by him on stage at

turning point. Now Pierce Morgan, like how many people have to go, truly, how many people must be cold from the conservative movement in order to make Ben happy. This is ridiculous. And it's not just Ben. All right. There are others who take his lead once he calls you an anti-Semite or says you need to be kicked out of, you know, polite society. There are a couple of others. Not a huge amount, I have to say. Ben's numbers are very bad right now. But he's got some influence with some crew. This is so wrong. So good for Peers, Morgan, for fighting back. I'm completely on Team Peers. and I'm sorry to see Ben going in this direction. Okay, we're going to take a quick break, and we will be right back with our friends from Turning Point.

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Kirk Show. and Blake Neff, who is a producer on the Charlie Kirk show as well. And now these guys have been doing yeoman's work, keeping that show going and working very hard to keep Turning Point going. Together they have worked with Charlie for many, many years. They knew him very, very well, and they have kept the organization thriving in these six months since Charlie has been gone. Guys, welcome back. Great to see you.

Hey, Megan. Great to be here. Howdy. Thank you for having a son. Yeah. Oh, great to see you both. All right, so there's a lot to get to, and we've got to start with CNN. I don't know if you guys have seen this craziness, but Abby Phillip, she's supposed to be like their reasonable one.

You know, she's supposed to be like their sort of boring milk toast. I call her Napoleon Dynamite because it's just the way she talks, like, it's not going to happen like that. That is not what Democrats do. There's like absolutely no affect, but she's saying crazy things.

Last night tried to spin the two radical Muslim men who attacked cops, and protesters who were out there protesting against having the Muslim call to prayer run five times a day over loudspeakers in New York City. They were attacked by two radical Muslims who threw an IED, two of them, at them and at cops, as an attack on the Muslim mayor of New York, Zoran Mamdani. And she did it repeatedly. Here's a sample. Two Republicans say Muslims don't belong here after an attempted terror attack against New York's mayor, Zoran Mamdani.

And the House Speaker, Mike Johnson, says nothing really to condemn those comments. Okay, it happened repeatedly on CNN. It was in several scripts. She read them with no problem. And let me tell you that as the anchor, having anchored a show on Fox News for many, many years, you see all the scripts. They don't comment you as a surprise. It's not every time. Sometimes you're overwhelmed and you don't get to edit every script and you get caught by surprise.

But not when you tease it three times that way. That's an intentional decision by you and your team to style. something as something other than what it is. So, Andrew, your thoughts on what the fallout of this is and why CNN is doing that? I mean, that's a blatant lie. Yeah, I think, you know, it kind of goes back to that old expression, Megan, that, you know, the lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put on its pants. And when we saw this over the weekend, there was a bunch of press headlines that were saying outside of Mom Donnie's, you know, Gracie Mansion. So I think she probably just thinks that that's true, actually.

I think this is ignorance, because if you listen to her show, all she knows how to do is parrot left-wing talking points. I mean, it's very, very clear. I actually happened to watch this episode last night by chance because the remote got pushed up to the wrong channel, so I was like, you know, I'm going to watch this. And it really is just ignorant line after ignorant line, because you saw the first round of headlines said that,

so that's what she believes. And you saw this with Jimmy Kimmel, back when Charlie was assassinated. I mean, I think he was actually lying. I think it was a little step beyond that. But he thought it could get away with it because so many people were reporting that the assassin was from MAGA.

And she's relying on an ignorant audience as well. So she thinks she's going to get away with it. It's a very good point. You know, Blake, it wasn't just Abby Phillip. Like, to Andrew's point that this is like ignorance by a leftist who surrounds herself with only leftist news, We saw CBS yesterday with a headline.

I'm going to put it on the board here. Hold on a second. I'm going to get it up in front of me too. This is the weekend news show picturing Trump supporters, a Trump supporter in its story. This is SOT 21. We'll play it about this same terror attack. Here's Sot 21. The FBI is investigating two men after an explosive device with bolts and screws was thrown into a crowd.

It happened in New York City on Saturday during a protest that turned violent outside the mayor's official residence. Okay, so I'm just going to replay that. I want the listening audience to know. Every word she speaks is next to the picture of a Trump supporter wearing a Trump t-shirt until she says it happened. When she says it happened, we switched to the video of the Muslim guy with his IED running away after having dropped it.

So listen to this again, knowing that every word she speaks is with a picture of a Trump supporter, a MAGA guy, prior to the words, it happened. The FBI is investigating two men after an explosive device with bolts and Cruz was thrown into a crowd. It happened in New York City on Saturday during a protest that turned violent outside the mayor's official residence. It's unbelievable, Blake, but and yet it's totally believable. Of course, it's believable. If you, I was actually reminded, I think, a decade ago and 30 years ago, the New York Times has a repeated habit of blaming the city of Dallas, for example, for JFK's assassination. JFK was, of course, murdered by

Oswald who was a communist who defected to the Soviet Union and the left ran articles calling Dallas the city of hate and that was that was what consumed JFK this this right-wing city that he was in and it was that was decades ago we see the exact same thing now the left in general is more likely to have a terrorism problem the left in general is a lot more likely to have its young activist wing go on hinged kill somebody. We of course saw that with Charlie himself. And because they're able to control the media apparatus, they're pretty consistent about attempting to reverse it and say,

actually, it's you guys who are driving the violence in society. I mean, we saw them do that with the FBI. One reason we're having more of these foreign elements coming to the United States and launch terror attacks is that the Biden administration repurposed, DHS, repurposed the FBI, to say that, you know, white American men who go to Latin Mass or whatever are the chief terror threat in the United States. And the reality is that's just a distortion of numbers. It's a distortion of what they choose to count as terrorism. And it's fundamentally a lie. Okay, so on the Abby fell up front, she said this at least twice on the air. Okay, so this wasn't like some pass, as she made an error, she meant to say it was an attack on cops outside of Mom Dami's

residence. You know, like that, okay, that would have been accurate. No, that's not what she said. So it happened at least twice, which means it was written into the script. It was pre-planned. She approved it, and she read it. She read it twice. If this were innocent after the first time, you would have seen her come back on the air and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, want to correct something I said. You know, it happens, right? We've all been there. You say something live that isn't what she meant to say. She came back on and said it again. And here, Andrew, now just literally, half an hour ago, not even 20 minutes ago. She tweeted, I want to correct something I said last night.

The bombs thrown in New York City over the weekend by ISIS-inspired attackers was thrown, no subject verb agreement, into a crowd of anti-Muslim protesters and not specifically targeted at Mayor Mamdani. That wording was inaccurate, and I didn't catch it ahead of time. I apologize for the error. This is not good enough. and there's just no, I'm sorry, I have sat on the set. You see the scripts.

You follow it through on your laptop. You see what's coming up. You read them. She read it in the prompter not once but twice. After it came out of her mouth, she did not apologize. She did not correct herself. And this is, and then I'll show you an exchange that happened on her show. That kind of puts the lie to it as well.

But she had no problem with this, Andrew. She clearly just got woodshetted by somebody at CNN with a brain. Well, this is my whole point. Like, I think you're giving Abby Phil's far too much credit for being an intellectual. or a journalist. And I'm telling you, you still see this with Charlie's assassination. I didn't make my point well enough in my first answer. If you ask people who killed Charlie, a bunch of people like on the, just normal Americans think that it was a conservative. This is because the lie, once you speak it out, it sets the narrative. And a lot of people don't do the work to go check

it and check their work. And I'm telling you, I've heard stories about the producers on this show from friends that have been on it. They are, once again, do not give them more credit than they deserve. We're talking about a show that relies on the guests and the back and forth in the debate. We're not working with geniuses here. Okay, so I'm telling you, I think she just literally didn't know it because the media lied so thoroughly about it on round one. Here, here's what's extraordinary, though. There was an exchange on the show, Blake, with Republican Joe Borrelli, who fought with, I think it was Anna Navarro, over this exact claim.

All right? And still, Abby Phillip did not correct it. But listen to this here in Sot 20. This is on Tuesday and this last night. The attack wasn't on Mayor Mammada. It was on people protesting. It was on, it was attacking protesters, people protesting Mamdani. Right by his house.

It wasn't, to frame it as an anti-Muslim attack would actually completely reverse what happened. Someone who shouted al-Aqqqq. I'm saying that they're finally doing, that the protesters. Americans are finally doing something in defense of a Muslim in this case, Mandani. This is ridiculous. Forget Anna Navarro's in aane point. The point is Abby Phillip heard somebody on her set say, it was not an attack on Mamdani, you idiot.

And he started fighting with Anna Navarro about it. And still, Abby Philip did not correct it. She had to be woodshed by some boss who was like, oh, shit, we cannot get away with suggesting this was a terrorist attack on a Muslim. It was a terrorist attack by a Muslim. Yeah, and we shouldn't forget also that they should have known this would be a problem because CNN already had to apologize for how they were describing it on X over the weekend. It's a network that has repeatedly had a problem with how it's framed things.

It's very bizarre to me. The CNN was, I feel like growing up CNN's reputation was the sort of, of in the middle news outlet compared to Fox on one end or MSNBC as it was shifting to the left. But they positively did lose their minds during the first Trump presidency and they've never really found their footing again since then. I believe they're the network of fiery but mostly peaceful protests. And it's just recurred again and again. And we're kind of seeing why they're already writing the obituary for it with the possibility

that they're going to get bought out here and possibly have you know, Barry Weiss put in charge of it because I think there's just not a lot of value to whatever CNN used to be. It's incompetent people. It's inaccurate people. It's extremely biased people. And even the left doesn't really like CNN for various reasons over the years. It's like, who does this network even exist for at this point? As I've said about CNN for a long time, boring is one thing. It's always been boring, but boring and biased. It's too much. Like it's, that's a death knell to your organization. which is what's been happening there.

They have no ratings. There was a post over the weekend. It was up, I think, on Monday, and then they eventually took it down about the terrorist attack. And this is how they began both their article and their tweet promoting their article. This is about the two guys who came from Pennsylvania and bombed this rally with their IEDs.

Two Pennsylvania teenagers crossed into New York City Saturday morning for what could have been a normal day enjoying the city during abnormally warm. weather. But in less than an hour, their lives would drastically change as the pair would be arrested for throwing homemade bombs during an anti-Muslim protest outside of Mayor Zoraam-Amami's home. Here's what we know so far. That, I mean, let's take a lovely journey together, Andrew, into the streets of an unusually warm New York City and check in on our two resident tourists, checking out the city of dreams from the Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Oh!

They have a bomb. Even CNN had to take that down later, saying that didn't conform with our editorial students. Yeah. Oh, me, this was so offensive and they got rightly dragged for it. I mean, I think it's because it fits into a larger ideological framing of how they see the world, right? That if your skin is brown, you must be systemically oppressed and that everything that happens to you is a result of the oppression that you have forced to live under your white oppressors. And so, therefore, the description made perfect sense. to whoever drafted it. And they got rightly dragged because these two, you know, kids, they're young men, were radicalized by ISIS. They're proud of it. They don't see themselves

as victims. They see themselves with proper agency to go set right the wrongs that they see in the world. They are terrorists. And any sort of couching it in softer terms is such an indication of the brain rot and the lies that exists on the progressive media landscape. There's, I mean, we see this, to Blake's point, again and again and again. And this is why the mainstream legacy news media is completely beclowned itself and nobody trusted anymore. Because they're run by crazy people. They're run by people that live in a bubble of virtue signaling, of contempt for the

American people, of self-righteousness, of scolds. Like, I just think of when I think of CNN, I do think of like Aaron Burnett and Jake Tapper and Abby Phillips, this constant look of like scolding you, scolding you for thinking normal thoughts, scolding you for believing your lying eyes, scolding you for having values that don't align with the Assella corridor. And so that's to explain why they are so unwatchable. Nobody can watch them because it's like a cringe fest. Literally, I saw it last night for the first time in years. I actually watched it. The only reason I watched that show is to see Scott Jennings rip apart the libs from time to time. And that's literally the utility of that show.

Otherwise, it's completely unwatchewable. And you can get that on X. You don't have to, you don't actually I have to tune in to Apple. I don't need to tune in. I mean, truly, her ratings are bottom of the barrel. They're terrible. As I all of CNN, it's not just Happy Phillip. They're all in the bottom of the barrel. There's no way that place.

I know they've just been bought by, you know, Skydance Paramount. Still, it's not going to work. It's not turn aroundable, right? Like, I'm of cable news. Trust me, if you put me in charge of that, I couldn't save it. No one can save it. Barry can't save it. No one can save it.

Even Roger Ailes could not. save it. It's not salvageable. You'd have to fire literally everyone up and down, and not just the on-air talent, all the producers do. They're not going to do that. That's exactly right. These same old horses and ask them to do new tricks. It's not going to happen. So they're severely afflicted by the TDS. And as you guys know, they got it bad. It's not a curable illness. You know, once you got the TDS, it's like the ALS. It's the end of you. Sorry, that's a terrible illness. But you know my point. It's the end. You can't get past it. Here is, by the way, for the listening audience, the truth about those guys, this is our police commissioner in New York City,

Jessica Titch, Tish, watch here in Sata. Is it 19? Hold on to show it. I don't look. Oh, 18. It's Kalyumi said in recorded post-arrest statements that he had watched ISIS propaganda on his phone and that his actions that day were partly inspired by ISIS. The complaint also detailed statements made by Amir Balat after his arrests. On route to the NYPD precinct, Balat made spontaneous statements without being questioned by NYPD officers that were captured on body-worn camera footage. He said, this isn't a religion that just stands when people talk about the blessed name of the prophet. We take action, we take action. As well as, if I didn't do it, someone else will come and do it.

And later, after waiving his rights, he requested paper and wrote a message declaring in part, I pledge my allegiance to the Islamic State, die in your rage, you Kufar. Now, die in your rage is a commonly known ISIS slogan, and Kufar is an Arabic term that refers to non-believers. So it's not exactly ambiguous. You know, these guys have not stopped talking about their love for ISIS since they dropped these IEDs. I mean, like, on your point, Andrew, I'm not exactly sure how even Abby Phillip could have missed it because, like, you don't have to get your information from Fox News or the Charlie Kirk show or the Megan Kelly show. Just listen to the police commissioner and she'll walk you right through it. But no, the narrative that they pushed is much more palatable to them.

That's the one they're used to. the one they went with. Real reporting, CNN, everybody. Now, on the subject of coming under fire for platforming somebody, because we just talked about how Pierce Morgan got attacked for platforming Dave Smith, you guys are experiencing that. And this whole Iran War fallout is a tricky business. You know, it's a tricky business for those of us who have more conservative audiences

or more right-leaning independent audiences who are supportive of the president and may even be supportive of the war, but may have some questions about whether this is smart and how long it should go on. That's the position I'm in, at least, and I think you guys are experiencing some of this because I saw that you, quote, platformed Robert Barnes, who is brilliant. He's been on this show many times to talk about things like the Kyle Rittenhouse case and others. And you got some blowback on this. Hold on a second. I think we've got him on your show in SOT 26. Exactly to your point. I mean, you guys would be on top of it more than others. I remember watching that, the live that the young generation, the new MAGA part of the coalition, a lot of them were African-American male voters, Hispanic voters, and young people disproportionately millennials and zoomers that joined the Trump coalition in 2024 that weren't part of it before, that boosted us from, you know, being minus four to plus one in the national vote that allowed for the sweep of the swing states, that allowed for some coattails in the House and the Senate to have the House in the Senate.

So that's what's at danger of losing. Young voters do not support this conflict. They don't want us involved in foreign conflicts, period. So the sooner the president can bring us home, the better. And then the other vote is though the historic anti-war vote disproportionately enruel in working class areas in the industrial and rural Midwest and amongst Hispanic voters in the southwest, which were bleeding out badly, as we saw from the Texas primary results.

And then the libertarian vote. And it's just you can't cut off this many parts of your coalition and survive. Okay, so that leads to blowback to you guys, unfair blowback in my strong opinion. For example, Andrea Schaefer, who writes on Substack, why is TPUSA amplifying Barnes? Keep it up, TPUSA and Andrew and Blake, and you will lose more donors. Is Erica Kirk aware of the anti-Trump guests you are amplifying on the Charlie Kirk show? She writes, if TPUSA continues to allow the infiltration of bad actors into the organization,

I'm afraid it will become one more casualty. Then somebody else responded, you guys have been leaning very strongly toward the groiper. A lot of people are not happy with the direction. T.P. USA has taken since we lost Charlie. There's no balance. Seth Dillon of the Babylon B weighs in as well, trying to lecture you on the difference between promotion and platforming and so on.

In response to which, Blake, you say what? Well, first of all, I think it's important to note. We are obviously linked with Turning Point USA, but we are not actually a part of Turning Point USA. say we are a separate entity, an allied entity, obviously when Charlie was hosting the show, he was running, operating both. So I just want to emphasize that. But the other thing is, this show, our show, it's not a, it's not only Trump supporters allowed. We've had, we've had left-wingers on the show before. We're going to have Trump skeptics on the show. And certainly with

the war, Charlie would, he was very skeptical of any sort of regime change. He was very skeptical of any major war with Iran. He told the president that repeatedly. Andrew and I were both front row witnesses to that fact. And when we were going up to this war, we said, even if this is launched, we're not sure the administration has done enough of a job selling it. There could be a lot of blowback to this. So as we've said repeatedly, Charlie did trust the president.

He gave the president a lot of leash on things that he was skeptical of because he trusted the president's judgment. But we would not be serving the president's judgment. role that Charlie served if we didn't also highlight that there are people on the right. There are people in the president's coalition who are skeptical of this or hostile to this. So since the war's broken out, we've had people on who are very supportive of the intervention and who think it's going well, who think it will end in a big victory. And we've had people who are saying, I need to hear more to be sold on this.

Or people are just saying, I think this is against what the president ran on. I think it's going to be politically harmful. had those people on, we need to hear those voices because that's the reality. We're not spinning up a, we're not a propaganda ally, we're not spinning up a false reality, we're trying to prevent an honest one, which is that there are people who support this and there are people who are critical of it. And I think we've done a reasonably good job, I think, because we've gotten emails that are saying that we're betraying Charlie by being too supportive of the war and people were saying we're betraying him by being too hostile to it. And

the reality is, is Charlie was very... skeptical of regime regime change generally but also very trusting of the president and that's a that's a middle path that we're trying hard to navigate because a lot of people do look towards what Charlie said about this sort of topic they did trust what his judgment was on it well and I know we know he loves he loved the president and was defensive of the administration and always wanted the administration to succeed but did have strong opinions of his own on what the the right direction to take would be especially on something like a Middle East

war. So it's nuanced, but there's no room for nuance amongst certain critics. You know, it's like you have to do it their way or the highway, Andrew. Yeah, well, and I want to give people a little backstory on this. You know, Barnes and I were fighting, basically. We were arguing. And so then we pick up a phone and we talk to each other about, you know, what he perceives to be the overly zealous pro-war messaging from the show. And I was like, Barnes, you didn't listen to any, like you took a couple clips and you drew these vast conclusions. about what we think about the war. So then we talk about it, like gentlemen,

and like you're supposed to do offline, and we realize, oh, actually, there's a lot of overlap here. What else people need to understand is that at turning point, obviously this is not turning point, but we have a bunch of the students on the show. And guess what, Megan, they don't like it. Even Trump voting conservative students are upset about the war, and it's important that people understand that that is the truth.

So I personally am, me and Charlie, you know, charted that course together, I was skeptical of regime change. Rightly so. I'm a millennial. I saw what happened in Iraq. I saw what happened in Afghanistan. I saw what happened in Libya. There is a lot of reason to be skeptical of regime change. Things get messy. Unexpected things happen. It draws out. It's longer. It's costlier and bloodier than you expect. And so, you know, there's a lot of reason to be skeptical. But guess what? I do trust the president. I give the president a lot of leash. I can see the upside in this war. There's truth in what Barnes said, truth in the fact that the coalition could be fraying at the edges. And we need to be

aware of that. We need to make decisions that are not only the national security best interest of the country, not only the best interest of our foreign policy, but also in the political best interest of our country. Because if we engage in this conflict in Iran and things go south and we lose the House and the Senate and all we get is impeachments for the next two years, that's a heck of a price to pay. And people need to understand what they're weighing. when they, when their country gets into a conflict in the Middle East. That's a nightmare. I mean, I mean, truly the thought of losing the Senate, that's a nightmare.

Now, because the map doesn't get easier for Republicans in 28 on the Senate. So it's like, they need to hold this time around. Well, and I think we can turn it around, Megan. I do. My glasses have full here. But it's like, you know, this whole thing, like Charlie would have done it this way. Charlie would have done it this way. I can basically point to each one of those people that would, that have the gall to get on social media and post that stuff.

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unfiltered, with no agenda, and no apologies. Along with the Megan Kelly Show, you're going to be. hear from people like Mark Halperin, Link Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily Dershinsky, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear Politics, and many more. It's bold, no BS news only on the Megan Kelly channel, Sirius XM 11, and on the Sirius XM app. Can I just ask you how you're doing? This is like, you and I talk offline, Andrews sometimes, but yeah, how are you? I mean, we just hit the six-month mark, and we just kind of forge forward, and the world's on fire, and so it's easy to just to kind of forget that we didn't just lose this pundit who,

had all sorts of amazing insights for us. We lost a great man and friend. Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, yesterday was awful. That was like actually, for me personally, it was the lowest point in some ways, actually. The six-month mark. Yeah, they say grief, you know, everybody kind of comes to you and gives you their advice

when something like this happens. And grief doesn't go in a straight line. It comes in waves. But, you know, we played a tribute video that one of our producers made here, one of our video editors made for Charlie yesterday. And basically from that moment on, I was, I was not okay. And I kind of left the office early.

And I was just kind of, I was just kind of low, if I'm being honest. But I will say the work helps because, you know, I do, sometimes it's okay to throw yourself into your work. And so, you know, the fact that we had the halftime show, the fact that we have Amfest, you know, the fact that we had the tours continuing on in the immediate aftermath, the memorial all of these things were cathartic, actually. And the truth is, Megan, I think Blake, you would relate to this, that when Charlie was so larger than life,

and his mission was so big. And anybody that comes to this campus and sees, you know, all the buildings and all the different teams that are working from the ballot chasing and the data to the campus, to the productions, the social media, the fulfillment center, when they see it themselves and they realize how big it is and how how many different teams are activated all the time 24-7 across the country, you realize that, and I think you would get this sense, if anybody in your audience visited the campus here,

the HQ, of the duty, the sacred duty it is to carry on the work. And then when you realize how many new students have come into turning point after Charlie's assassination, you realize that. that there really is no way but through. That is the only way to do this. And yeah, we want our teams to have time to mourn and we've given everybody that opportunity. But like we have a sacred duty.

And thank God for that because I'm just glad I'm not having to like, you know, sit in the depression every day of having lost Charlie. And there is goodness in it too. You get to see the miracle of God's hand. I think it's been somewhat helpful to Erica too. You know, it's like she could just. be sitting grieving, you know, and being with her babes who she's with all the time and loves. But all the time.

I think it's beneficial to have something to do, something that requires you to, like, put the grief aside to the extent you can for, you know, even short term, for a phone call, for a meeting, for a show in your case, and just get your mind off of it. It's like, this isn't the same thing, but just as a, and this is an aside. after my career imploded with the NBC News debacle, I used to do crossword puzzles all the time, and that's when I got hooked on a lot of true crime shows. And the reason I was so into those two things

is they don't allow you to think of something else. When you're trying to think of your answers for the crossword puzzle, it's impossible to think of anything other than, like, what is this? What am I trying to fill this box in with? And true crime is, like, it's the darkest thing possible, and so you're thinking about, oh, my God, you know,

like, what happened? I'm going to solve this murder with Keith Morrison. And in a way, it just kind of removes your own immediate problems from your mind. And I think I can see with you guys, that's true too, right? It's like the job is demanding. To do a show like this is demanding, never mind your responsibilities at Turning Point. Like, it's a good thing for you. It's a good distraction. It's very healthy, Blake, I think, that you guys have all kept working. It's required to keep Charlie's organization alive and his show alive, but it's also probably very healthy for you. Yes, and there's a strong sense of mission. Charlie was good at articulating a sense of mission. You mentioned for Erica, it helps. I think what especially helps is knowing that

that is directly what Charlie wanted. We know people would ask Charlie about this. What if something happens to you? People would express concern about that all the time. And he would always just very casually throw off, oh, it'd be fine. Erica could take over. He said that directly. And as you say, I think us all having something to work on helps. I think we also get a lot of energy from just clearly how much Charlie meant to people. We have a room here on the campus of buildings that we have. And it's just dedicated to all the packages and artwork that people are by their mailed or left here.

So yeah, we have a bust of Charlie. We have paintings of Charlie. We have watercolors. We have engravings. We have a couple purple hearts that people sent in. And I was walking outside the other day for a phone call. And there were people who driven here from California. They were in Phoenix and they wanted to stop by our campus. And so I just, I welcomed them in and I showed them that the room. And it was clearly immensely meaningful to them. And I think that gives us a lot of motivation remembering and seeing directly how much of an impact Charlie had on people. that he'd personally never even met. They'd only seen him in videos.

They'd only heard him on his podcast. Maybe they only saw him on TikTok, and yet still had this huge effect on their lives. We always see these messages from people who say, I go to church because of Charlie. I found faith because of Charlie. Some people who say, I'm going to church, even though I'm not sure if this is true,

just because Charlie sold it so intensely about how valuable it was in their life. Or you want to happen to you, what you saw happened to Charlie in terms of faith, you know, how inspirational it was to him, how important it was to him, how much it uplifted him, you want it to happen to you, you know?

He, I've thought many times about how displeased Charlie would be at how divided the right has been since he died. And unfortunately, the Iran war is not going to help, right? Because it's like, among other things, there's the strong feelings about the war, but among other things, It puts Israel back into the headlines, and that's just been so divisive on the right for a variety of reasons. And I think, you know, Charlie was failing it too.

Of course, he and I had a long talk about the pressure from the pro-Israeli side to tow the line and not deviate at all. But I think overall he would be, he would be extremely sad about the divisions on the right. And then we pulled just a warning from him from your show. This is June of 2025. sorry, from our show, from June of 2025 on that exact issue. Here it is, SOT 28. There is no greater divide on the American right than foreign policy. It's like we're largely in agreement and immigration.

We're actually really in agreement on the trans stuff. But like the greatest fault line of the conservative movement is foreign policy. And I was really worried that this was going to bring it to a, bring it to a, not catastrophic, but very unpleasant moment. Turns out I was partially right because no one has liked to see what we've seen on X the last week and a half. It's just been seeing a lot of our friends fight. It's been really kind of nasty. We have a real enemy, which is the American left. And I think we should try to introduce some new rules that we should, with great spirit and great energy, debate foreign policy, but let's stay outside of the name calling, right? I don't think that helps us at all. I think the left

found some enjoyment in it. That was right after we dropped the bomb on the Iranian nuclear facility. And so it's like you don't really have to search that far, Andrew, to figure out what Charlie would be saying. He'd be saying, try to keep the conversation above board, try not to do the personal attacks within the right, and, you know, try to keep it on policy, debate policy, do it. Like, that's fine. He wasn't opposed to that, but maybe don't get into, like, personal blows against people

who are fighting in general, the same. same fights that you are on the right? Yeah, the foreign policy, I almost said that, you know, my last answer, foreign policy is just fraught on the right. You know, part of the reason is it's because we sold President Trump as the peace president. So any time that he uses kinetic military force, then it feels to strike against a campaign promise, right? You know, I have a, I think a nuanced view of this, that sometimes peace through strength only works if you show your strength. I think Iran is the biggest challenge yet. But Charlie was exactly spot on. And I remember spending a lot of time thinking about how we were going to message with Charlie and thinking

about how we were going to thread those needles and keep the coalition together. I mean, you know, I think sometimes people misunderstand the role that Charlie played. But Charlie ultimately believe that we had to keep President Trump's winning coalition together as best we could. Maybe it was going to change. Maybe it was going to morph. But he took that responsibility personally. We still take that responsibility personally, which is why, you know, we're going to be constantly attacked for who we platform and who we're friends with and who we won't condemn. And, you know, there's this, there is a point where, yes. Yeah, exactly. I know you are. And by the way, We'll be, I'm sure, stepping into it today as well when you look on X as the clip spread.

But I mean, the point is, we have, Charlie believe that the highest calling was to be a philosopher and a statesman. The lowest calling was to be a carnival barker and an entertainer. And so our job is not to entertain. Yeah, we want people to watch the shows. We want them to get educated. We want them to be engaged politically in their civic life, in their religious life. but ultimately we have so much more in common than we have that separates us. We do, as Charlie said in that clip, have a true and real existential enemy, and it is the progressive left that want to

destroy this country, throw our borders open, spend us into oblivion, and, you know, essentially ruin traditional America. They want to ruin the values that make America great and good and wonderful and prosperous. So we have a larger enemy. I guess family squabbles are going to happen, but I just genuinely hope, and I pray that we can put our differences behind us, that this war will be quick and will be out sooner than later. Obviously, I'm pro getting the strategic objectives accomplished, but, you know, hopefully we can refocus our efforts on the true existential threat to this republic. Amen. We have to debate it. I mean, the New York Times poll that just came out on support for the war shows overall 41% of the populace supports this war.

They compare that to other wars. When we went to World War II, it's 97% of the populace. Afghanistan, after 9-11, 92% of the populists supported it. Persian Gulf War, the first Gulf War, 82%. They go there. The Iraq War even had 76%. Korea War had 75%. And now you've got Iran down at 41%.

It's low. So even if you're, and that's all Republicans. Every single one of those is a Republican. So even if you are a Republican supporting President Trump's behavior, You have to think long term about what's it going to do to us at the midterms. And in 28, I mean, 28 is potentially in jeopardy if too many of those independents are really soured on this thing and upset, right? Like, you got to think practically. And that's one of the reasons why, you know, many Republicans, Josh Hawley was just saying publicly last night.

Let's wrap it up. Let's declare victory and say, we did it. We did a lot of good. let's not let this go on and on. Let's not let oil prices go back to $150, it was $120 a barrel earlier this week. Already gas prices are up, you know, in some places over a dollar a barrel, I mean a gallon versus where they were. Now you've got the Iranians overnight messing with some ships in the Strait of Hormuz, which President Trump has threatened them not to do, but they're not listening.

You know, all these things will have repercussions at the pump. and once gas and oil prices go way up, so do all the other prices. Right? So like even if you think as you do, Andrew, the piece through strength requires a showing of strength, politically speaking, Blake, there have to be some practical concerns factored in. Exactly. And that's one of the things that when we had students on, we asked them, we said, don't give us the, you don't need to give us a sort of breezy PR answer.

We want to really know how are people reacting to this, especially people who you think voted for Trump. And yeah, you're correct. The polls show there's overwhelming support among Republicans, but the president did not just get votes from Republicans in 2024. He got votes from independent leaners. He got votes from marginal people who don't follow politics that much. And I think that's where we see a bit of a divide,

is that if you're from the president's hardcore base, the MAGA group, as it were, there's a lot of support for whatever the president's going to do. There's a lot of trust in what the president chooses to do. But there are a lot of people out there who were won over by the president in 24 for the first time. Maybe they were, there was the first time they were old enough to vote. And that's where you're seeing the most skepticism. And that's where there's that risk that, yeah, maybe the rallies are as supportive as ever. Maybe the people on X are still really supportive. But those people who are less engaged with politics, who aren't following things, today, those are the ones who are most inclined to drift away. And it's important that we be honest

about that because you can't win politically if you're not honest about what people are thinking, how they're reacting to things. Well, unfortunately, the president took a hit after Minneapolis with those independents, you know, and as annoying as they are, and I am one of them. I've been a registered independent for 20 years. As annoying as they are, you do need them to win elections. you know, unless you have an extremely enthusiastic Republican base, it's very hard to win without having the independence more on your side than they are on the other side. And right now, they're siding with Democrats over 72 percent on the Iran war. They're against it. And the Minneapolis thing, unfortunately, was so spun by the media as being evil and bad and terrible

that the president lost a lot of support on his immigration policy and the deportation policy, which, by the way, was foreseeable. We all knew that one of the president, President Trump actually started to deport the illegals. The media would run with these sob stories trying to pull on people's heartstrings like the one about the little boy in Minneapolis to try to make them opposed to it. And sure enough, it worked.

Here's Harry Enten. This is SOT 16 talking about Trump's net approval rating on immigration now versus not long ago. Yeah, this idea that Donald Trump could somehow contain Christine Ome to just, you know, her own. own little part of the world, right, and it wouldn't affect him. That is political fantasy. Christy Knoem was hurting Donald Trump in office on his key, one of his key top issues that got him

elected President of the United States. I mean, just take a look at Trump's net approval rating on immigration. You go back a little bit over a year ago. He was on the plus side of the ledger. Look at that. Two thumbs up, plus seven points. But again, down he goes in large part because Christy Knoem's efforts. Look at this. Minus 17 points on the net approval rating on a key issue for Donald Trump, one that got him elected to a second term, and among independents, he went from plus three, plus three net approval on immigration all the way down to minus 30 points. I mean, my goodness gracious, on a key issue that independents had trusted Donald Trump on over Kamala Harris, and Christy Knoem's effort simply put, killed, crushed

Donald Trump on such a key issue for him. Was plus three with the Indies now down to minus 30? One of the reasons why Christy Noam's gone, while she was replaced by Tom Homan. I think you guys are where I am. I want them all gone. I want all the illegals out. And I don't really care about objections, but I do care about winning elections. And if we have to stick right now to the worst first, right?

That's the Tom Homan plan, just the violent illegals out and focus on them in order to maintain the Senate and win 28, then, I mean, I'm willing to live with that. I don't know. How do you guys see it? I would think one possibility that I think we might really see is it might generally be a messaging thing. I think it might be that early on they went for this flex of, oh, we're doing mass deportations. That's what we're going to brag about on X. That's what we're going to make the slick videos about.

And you can basically switch to we're focused on the worst. We're getting all the worst criminals out and still basically do the same policies. There's been reporting in the Washington Post, for instance, that, You've had DHS sending letters to restaurants in the D.C. area pointing out all of your employees are not legal hires, and that's against the law. And so they've had to let a bunch of staff go. And if you're doing that all over the country, that's actually going to be encouraging a lot of the self-deportation work, that if they're finding it harder to get jobs in America. We hope that's true. I mean, the self-deportations would be a lot easier.

We should somehow incentivize it more than we have. I've got to end on this because there's no way we're ending today's show without getting to this. This hit X a short time before we came on the air. And, you know, it's like, it's almost a joke that Bill Clinton would push Hillary Clinton into oncoming traffic. Like, we might joke about that, that he does it metaphorically or he's doing it, you know, in his head. He'd like to do that and hook up with one of those younger girls he constantly fantasizes about. But it literally just happened. So look at this video, which is circulating on X now. Hold on a second. It was posted by somebody who goes by Elder Ordinez 1. Watch.

Walking there in the crosswalk. She's got her pantsuit on. They stop. Here, oncoming traffic's coming. He literally shoves her. And he walks into her. She puts her hands up like, whoa. We got to see it again. We should. Got to start from the beginning. One more time. Stand by. Watch. You're walking. Crossing. And she wants to turn.

She's facing oncoming traffic. He shoves her. Walks right into her. Twice. To the point where she puts her hands up, like, whoa, whoa. Now, you tell me, Andrea, whether there's something subliminal going on here. I think that's the perfect visual embodiment of their entire relationship, their entire political career. And by the way, I would not.

if you know i i don't know i can't help myself seeing their interactions feeling a bit sympathetic for bill clinton maybe it's just because i'm a guy but i would not want to get on that woman's bad side i would not want to get in the cab with that woman and have her look at me and tell me you know what the hell were you doing bill don't you touch don't you put your hands on me bill uh so anyways i you know uh prayers up for for uh president clinton well that's the irony that's that's the first time his hands have been on her in a good 50 60 years so i mean there's that maybe there's that maybe There was a tingly sensation there. Oh, wow.

Sorry, we had to end with a laugh. Maybe it was a spark for something fresh. There you go. See, I got you laughing. Great to see you guys, both of you, and I hope to see you very soon. Thanks. Lots of love. Okay, wow.

Such a funny clip. I couldn't get over it. Thanks to all of you for listening to, and we will be back tomorrow. Day four from our remote location, continuing the show going despite the children's spring break. See you then. Thanks for listening. to the Megan Kelly show, no BS, no agenda, and no fear.