The Megyn Kelly Show - Steven Crowder on the Media, Tech Platforms and Marriage | Ep. 21

Episode Date: November 6, 2020

Megyn Kelly is joined by Steven Crowder, host of "Louder with Crowder," to talk about the legacy media and the way new media is gaining popularity and power, tech platforms and social media censorship, free speech and college campuses, Trump and the polls, depression, marriage, abstinence and much more.Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:Twitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShowFind out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today we've got Stephen Crowder of Louder with Crowder. That is his massive YouTube show that has almost 5 million subscribers. He and I used to know each other way back in the day when he was a kid. He could barely drink, barely legal, as they say, when we worked at Fox News for a short time together. And now he hosts what he calls the number one conservative late night comedy show. And he is a riot and also profound and introspective and really interesting. I'm going to get to the

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Steven, so good to have you here. Very excited for this interview. How are you? Thank you very much. I'm okay. I think I told you that I have a friend here. We roll with Jiu-Jitsu at the studio. We should call him Tim Ginsu because his forearm crushed my trachea.

So if you hear me swallowing in a weird way or wrestling with throat lozenges, that's why. So I apologize. Yet another reason not to exercise. You've been going nonstop. I mean, I've been watching you. I've been on your show a couple of times over these past few days. You are treating, I mean, you are like,

you are YouTube's Brett bear. I like you're just on every hour bringing people the updates. Is that new? Did you do that four years ago, too? Yeah. Well, I wish I had Brett Baer's hairline. Like, it is quite literally like a bonobo chimpanzee. What's a bonobo?

Well, it's the more human-like. They say that we share more in common with, is it bonobo or bonobos and chimpanzees? They look very similar, only I understand one is more angry. The point remains, Brett Baer has an eight. Then that's not Brett. He has an eight.

No, his hairline is so low, is what I'm saying. When I look at it, there's no widow's peak. No, yeah, we did it in 2016. That's when we launched Mug Club. Before that, it was a radio show that was syndicated,

the Ladder with Crider show. Bill Bennett used to take Fridays off, you know, mug club. I was before that it was a radio show that was syndicated. Uh, but the ladder with Crowder show, you know, Bill Bennett used to take Fridays off, which I would just love to do just took Fridays off. And so there was this morning drive slot that was six to nine. And there were a lot of radio stations that, uh, you know, they were filling hosts and they weren't thrilled with them. So they said, Hey, a bunch of stations said, would you like to do the show? And I said, well, you know, I never really wanted to do radio as a comedian, as someone who kind of did short videos on YouTube for a long time before that. But I said, sure you like to do the show? And I said, well, you know, I never really wanted to do radio as a comedian, as someone who kind of did short videos on YouTube for a long time before that. But I said, sure, if it's in primetime drive once a week in the morning, I think I can

make that work. And then I found out that no advertisers wanted to advertise in the show. And so we started making up fake advertisements when we were broadcasting as a podcast. And then that led to covering the election. I think we had like 30,000 people watching in 2016, which was all the people in the world. And we launched the show that became kind of daily, which is the iteration that people know now. So it's been a crazy four years. Yeah. And now it's like some sort of huge number. We were just looking up on the internet how you did in covering this year's election. I mean, you know, this this week and it was something like eight million people had viewed your coverage, which puts you above CNN, which is kind of awesome. I mean, I'll get to that because I want to ask you about the future of media, but

you got to be feeling pretty good about having people watch the coverage because I happen to know that you tend to approach these matters in a red, white and blue striped, silky robe. So you have a different way. You're avant-garde, I'd say. Yeah. Well, I was raised in Canada. And so just a red and white robe is boring. It's just not really something that pulls the eye. Yeah. We had a lot of people, I don't, you know, the numbers were, it was fractured because they said they were going to stop the counting. Remember? So we were covering it. I. I don't, you know, the numbers were, it was fractured because they said they were going to stop the counting. Remember?

So we were covering it. I think we covered it for about eight, nine hours. And then they said, okay, we're going to stop the counting. So I thought, well, there's nothing more to cover. So we left the stream. And they were going to reconvene at 9 or 10 a.m. The next thing I know,

I take an hour nap in a hammock and Michigan and Wisconsin flipped. All of a sudden they found, you know, a hundred something thousand votes because they started counting, not at nine or 10, but at like 4.47 AM. And so we were all just glued to our screens and we said, well, we have to come back.

And I think the number ended up being something closer. Like, I don't know, 15 million or something like that. So it was really ridiculous. And we had so many silly things too. Like people don't understand. We had my producer attacked. You know, we had a professional attack dog. We shot Gerald in a bulletproof vest because they're a sponsor Spartan armor. Like our goal is always to entertain first. I've always wanted to do that because if you're not entertaining, you know, you can find anybody talking about the current political issues. Um, and I try to get that right. And,

uh, I try to be either enlightening, informative, or entertaining. And that's why I was as surprised as anyone that apparently I should be a professional pollster because they got it wrong. And the only calls that I made were dead right. And I just, no one was paying attention to early voting. And I don't know why. I don't know when I was talking with people here, I said, am I crazy? I said, why are people even acting like Florida and Ohio are a toss-up? I immediately put them on the map. And everyone I said, am I crazy? I said, why are people even acting like Florida and Ohio are a toss up? I immediately put them on the map. And everyone else said, oh, no. I said, no, I guarantee you he's going to win Ohio by five points. Guarantee you he's going to double

his wins in Florida. People can see it. It was on air. It was the first thing that I said because I was looking at the early voting and comparing it to 2016. So everything else, I thought Georgia and North Carolina were things that he would win. And then I said, then he just needs kind of one of the major states in the Midwest. So it really is a changing, isn't it right now of the guard. And I think all pollsters should be fired without cause. Oh, did you hear today, Nate Silver came out and he basically said, F you, this is this is being taped on Thursday. F you for criticizing me. We got it right. You know, we, we basically tell you what the polls are saying. That's pretty much all we do. We just assess what the polls are saying. So this isn't on me. Can you, I mean, give me a break,

right? People are disgusted with him, with the polling industry, with the misinformation, because we know it isn't, it isn't in good faith that these people, they refuse to believe that there was a shy Trump voter. They refuse to try to figure out in a way that a guy like, you know, Robert Cahaly of Trafalgar did how to at least try to get at it. Right. But by the way, have you ever actually like most people have not seen Nate Silver? He looks like he lost his precious. What does that mean? Gollum reference. He looks like he looks like a cave dweller.

OK, that's it was a long one around. I apologize. I don't always take the shortest path to the sting. But no, here's the thing. He can say, we just tell you what the polls are telling you. No, no. And here's the issue, too, with Nate Silver and FiveThirtyEight. I would go and I would see their polls that were rated A, and those were the polls that

had it most wrong in 2016. And then the polls that he would have rated C were the ones that were closest because he doesn't like Rasmussen and he doesn't include the, is it pronounced Trafalgar? How is that pronounced? Trafalgar, yeah. Yeah. He didn't even include those. And I don't know why if he's this genius, he doesn't include what we see with early voting. And we have the percentages of early voting, what was mail-in versus what was in person. You know, I got those numbers at Fox, not some Republican think tank. And then I combined that by target early. And I looked at the actual registered early voting versus the modeled party early voting. And those seem to

track and you kind of have to use the model party early voting, sorry, because a lot of these states don't tell you the registered voting early on. And I said, you know what, Florida and Ohio are not even going to be close. So what I called was Florida, Ohio. I made my map and I said, Georgia and North Carolina, I think, or Donald Trump was going to be closer. Arizona, I thought would be Donald Trump. Looks like it still might be at the time of this recording. And then I said, could be any of these Midwestern states at that point. Can we talk about what's happening now as of now? Because I'll tell you, I'm I'm as confused as anybody, but I have connections in both camps.

Connections. That's like somebody who had a sex change operation, like, do you like surprises? What's going on? Which by the way, I wouldn't be surprised considering the dominatrix role you played with Mark Cuban. I listened to that podcast and I couldn't sit down for a week. Oh, thank you. Hey, I'm not against dominatrix, but that's not the same thing as trans surprise. Okay. So I was combining the two, in other words, in their interaction with Mark Cuban, I will tell you this. I thought you did a fantastic job of being respectful, giving Mark Cuban room, but I'm holding his feet to the fire. So, you know, I was nervous to do this because I know that, uh, I know that you're tricky. I know that you're quick on your feet, but I thought you did a really good job.

Actually, my wife sent it to me. She said, you have to listen to this. Yeah. Oh, thank you very much. I enjoyed it. You know, I give him credit for, for coming on and having the conversation because I can't think of another guy in his position who would have. And, um, I, I didn't exactly get like a bouquet of roses from him after the fact. I'm not sure if he was coming back on, but either way, I'm okay. Cause he, we back on, but either way, I'm OK, because we had a really good discussion. And, you know, I respect that. I respect him for doing it. I want to ask you about Trump, though, because since you've been covering it so closely and what I'm hearing from Team Trump, right, the people not not his inner circle, but people who are very close and are

intimately involved in trying to get him elected are saying they actually believe today he has won that he's won it. And I've, I've talked to these people many times. He's won Arizona. They, they do not believe the vote in Arizona. They think he's won Georgia. He's won Pennsylvania and they think he's won Nevada. Like that's what they're saying. Then I talked to my contacts over in, you know, the decision world at Fox and they're saying there's zero chance that Arizona flips back, that Fox made the right call, that not even if he gets 57 percent of the outstanding vote in Arizona, can he turn the numbers around? He cannot do it, that the outstanding vote is in Democratic counties. There's zero chance he's going to make up the difference. That's why they're so confident in their call. And I think, you know, right now the narrative is spun out of the out of control where people

are openly booing Fox and they're going after Arnon Michigan, the head of the decision desk, who's a straight arrow. I know my head is kind of swimming. How about you? I think that's dishonest of Fox to say. Now, I don't disagree with what you said. Now, what we are seeing, though, there are quite a few sources that say that Donald Trump is winning over 63 percent of those votes. Keep in mind that they counted the mail-in votes, I believe, in Arizona first. The outstanding ballots are people who voted in person. And what we're seeing in a lot of those scenarios is about a 2.5 to 1 ratio of Republicans to Democrats. And the county is not as liberal as you think. But my issue with Fox News there, when I say it's dishonest, is they say, we're confident in our call. They called it with 0% of the vote. I'm exaggerating.

That's not true. No, they had 80% of the vote in. No, no, no. When Fox News called it, it was 70 something percent of the vote, I believe. And they called it- No, it was 80% of the vote. That's what Arnim Mishkin said. Trust me when I tell you Arnim Mishkin does not lie. He does not lie. They had 80% of the vote in and that's why they felt confident tabulating it because they can see where the remaining 20% is coming from. And they have algorithms and data and a history to figure out what the percentages would have to be for Trump to close it out in the remaining 20. So go ahead. They consistently call the other states the same way at those

same margins? Yes, they do. They do. I mean, trust me, Stephen, I've worked with these guys for years. I was the person who did polling with them. I was you know, they would do the exit polling and I was the one who'd be on the air before I became an anchor explaining to people what they said. And then I became an anchor and I work with them even more intimately. And then there was the infamous 2012 thing where Karl Rove tried to say they were wrong. And I did the walk down the hall. I know these guys. They they couldn't give a damn who wins the election. They care about getting it right. And so if the outstanding vote is in counties that they think it's going to make it too close to call, they won't call it. That's why they waited so long in states like Florida. Well, they did wait longer in Florida than ABC, that's for sure. However, sorry, not Florida, Arizona. But a lot of places called Arizona long before they've called other states, for example, like Pennsylvania, or if I'm not mistaken, one of the major news channels we were watching, because it was tough, we were watching CNN mainly, and they were the last to

call everything. I think even called Arizona before Ohio. I don't remember who it was who did that, but that did take place. I think you're right about Fox News. They generally want to be right. But I also think that, listen, there's a component to this. And maybe you disagree. Maybe you think there's zero percent that this is the case. I think a lot of these networks want to be first. I don't think that's Fox at all. Trust me. I mean, I've seen it. I've seen the competitive pressure come on them. I mean, mainly from me and Brett out there on election night saying like, where's the call? Where's the call? CNN's called it. NBC's called it. Why aren't we calling it? And we get these the slow roll molasses from the decision desk like we're not there yet. We're not there yet. Let me just say I disagree with

what you just expressed. I don't think that the truth is governed by consensus of other networks calling it. I think that there could be one place that's right and all of the other places are wrong. And so I don't know with Arizona. I think there's a strong chance that Donald Trump loses Arizona. But from what I'm seeing, there still is a chance that he wins it. I do think it was called early. Yeah, I don't I don't think I don't I don't disagree with that. I say I agree with you that there is still a chance. I just understand that the people who are experts at it, which doesn't include me, are saying I'm wrong. You know, I can see the numbers. I can see why people still have hope. And I'm not listen and I am not discrediting them at all. Nate Silver's an expert. Quinnipiac. No, he isn't. No, he isn't. No, you cannot put is you could be right, you could be wrong, but a lot of people deferred

to Nate Silver. A lot of people deferred to Monmouth or Emerson or Quinnipiac. These were considered the golden standard of polls. And all I'm saying right now is you could be right, but I am not going to say that Fox News is right in their call. And you know me, I worked for Fox News for four and a half years. I'm not going to say that they're right because they're experts, because we've seen a lot of people who are experts be wrong. That's all I'm saying. And we have a huge pool of data here that really no one else has access to with the kind of show that we do. I think Fox could be right. I don't think they did anything. I don't think they did anything dishonest. I think though, right now, and what I was saying was dishonest is when they say we feel confident now in our call, that still doesn't justify the call with 80%. That's all.

So my, my, and my feeling and reaction to that as somebody who's worked with these guys and done this for a lot of years is with respect, that's armchair quarterbacking. You've got a lot of people who have no idea what it's like to be on a decision desk and do this for a living, trying to sit in their armchair, like, well, I can see the vote myself. And they don't know any of the algorithms or the way this is done or the methodological approach that these guys have tried and tested at midterm elections, at general elections, at primaries, year after year after year. And it's worked. And I've worked with them since 2006 was the first time I was on air with them. They've never gotten one wrong,

not one. They've never, they've been under pressure. They've been told they got it wrong. They've been told they were partisan. They have never had to repeal one, not once. So I'm not saying that that couldn't happen now. I'm, I'm smart enough to realize anything could happen, but I'm just saying that the, the calls to, to reduce the Arnon Mishkin to like some partisan and say like Fox is bad. And this is because Fox has an ideology. I reject that. I know the guys making this decision. They're good faith operators and they're super smart and super good at this. But Megan, Megan, I think that, you know, I'm not saying Fox is bad because Fox isn't. That's not my argument. You understand what I'm saying? And Fox has gotten a lot wrong. Fox has gotten a

lot wrong. Maybe not with any states ever called. I would have to look back. I don't have it ready, but I trust, I take your word for it. That doesn't mean that it couldn't happen, but I'll tell you what, all the executives at Fox told me that this show that I do right now would never exist. It would never happen. I was wasting my time. Come on. That's, that's a new argument. That that's not stay in my lane. I am staying in your lane. What I'm saying is I don't say that they must be right because the experts say that that's so the numbers right now don't say that that's necessarily so. And I think there's a strong chance that Biden wins Arizona. I just think, and I think that you have a little bit, a little bit, and I want to keep this of course friendly. I'm very appreciative

to be here. So I don't want you to take this as confrontational. A little bit of a blind spot because when Americans hear the experts, the experts are wrong about. We can just isolate it. I'm not saying that. Now, you're you're you're you're you're building a straw man right now. I'm not saying the experts say. And I and I don't think you're right at all to compare these guys to Nate Silver. The pollsters got Nate Silver has a very spotty history.

Arnon Mishkin does not. And my my my belief in them, which is not unfettered, but my belief in them is not because they are experts. It is because I have had experience with them. It is like having cancer that recurs from time to time. And the doctor sits you down and says, this isn't it. And the doctor takes a look at the new lump and says, this is bad. And then something happens a couple of years later and he says, don't worry. I mean, I've had people who've gone through this in my life. You develop a respect for that person's judgment based on their history of accuracy. It isn't deference to authority. It is my my experience with this person being right

every time leads me to have a greater confidence in him being right now. You could be right. I don't know. So you just mentioned your personal experience. I don't have personal experience with that person. I think if what you say is true, that Fox News has never gotten one wrong, then it's not even up for debate. Of course, Arizona has gone Biden. But that's not my experience with this person. All I'm saying is I don't take the word of one person or one expert. I didn't just say Nate Silver, but all of these polls, which I know is what we're going to be talking about, I think a lot of Americans, and that doesn't mean that Americans are right, but I'm saying that the language that is used, this is what Americans have a problem with. And when people talk about not having trust in our institutions, it's because there's a lot of this talk, well, the experts know whatever it is, X, Y, A, B, C. And I know in this instance, you have a lot of personal experience and they have a great track record.

Let me really simplify what I'm saying. I don't think that Fox News is bad. I don't think that they're trying to call things incorrectly because they have an ideology. I think Brett Baier is probably the best broadcaster in news. I think the man is fantastic. And I think they are probably right about Arizona. I also think they called it too early. Just my opinion. Well, can I tell you, I mean, to give you the point, I do think that a lot of Americans, including me, are a little too deferential to authority. And I have been surprised over the past four years to see some of the institutions that I really revered and trusted entirely have had the mask pulled down as pretty nakedly partisan. The FBI comes to mind, right?

Like when when Jim Comey first was getting attacked, I was a hundred percent, a Jim Comey defender. I was like, what do you mean? It's James Comey. Like he's beyond reproach. Why are these people saying he's partisan? I would never believe that a hundred percent wrong. So I'm humble enough to realize I don't know everything. And I, and I, I also see it. It's not even just the FBI or some of these big government organizations, but big tech and media. You know, our industry, it is not trustworthy. It's the same thing. I wouldn't say I always trusted media, but I think most people out there trusted Uncle Walter, trusted Peter Jennings. You know, some of the people we grew up with or I did, and now it's a hundred percent different. So I get that my hopes could be dashed in Arnon, Michigan. And, and I'm not rooting for Arizona or one of the one way or the other, but I do like these guys because they're former colleagues, but they could be dashed because I've had them dashed repeatedly. And I know you've had your own situation with big tech where that's another industry where it's like, oh, wow,

they're so big and they employ so many Americans. And then you turn out, it turns out they're completely partisan and agenda driven. Yeah. And I think to mention your, I keep hearing you, how do you pronounce his name? Arnon Michigan? Arnon Michigan. Arnon Michigan. Arnon Michigan. No Michigan. Wait, what's the last name you're saying michigan like m-i-s-h because i was thinking about detroit i thought you were like you you were like you had a joe biden moment where you're trying to say rnc michigan okay uh i don't think that should dash your hopes if for example they're incorrect on arizona i think that we are at a point right now you mentioned walter cronkite i don't think that walter cronkite was an unbiased journalist. I think he was certainly better than a lot of people

you have now, but he said you basically couldn't be a journalist and not be a liberal. There are quotes from Walter Cronkite. I just think it was hidden from a lot of Americans before we had new media. And so I think the requirement is for everybody out there to aggregate information from both sides. And that's why I think at this point, anyone who claims to be a centrist, they're actually less valuable in your aggregate pool. Because I would rather know what Megyn Kelly is saying. Sorry, what Megyn Kelly is saying. Yes, of course, plug for your show here. But I also would like to know what Rachel Maddow is saying, what Megyn Kelly is saying, what Sean Hannity is saying. I would like to know what Tucker Carlson is saying and what Lawrence O'Donnell is saying. I don't really care what Anderson Cooper is saying,

because the guy isn't really honest about his point of view. Chris Cuomo thinks that he's my God, an actual journalist. So I think Americans have to do a lot of this work themselves now. Sadly, you're right. Yeah, they're required. And I think that's why I have a lot of Americans upset because it was trust the experts when it came to the election. And I think that we're seeing a lot of examples of it being rife with not just fraud. People misuse the term election fraud, but also ineptitude. You know, we talked about this on our show, this election. There were over 2.5 million ballots that could potentially be compromised. Now, does that mean that someone was scratching out Donald Trump

and putting in Joe Biden? No, but it means ballots that either were sent to addresses where people no longer lived or there were people who were dead. We found examples in the past of ballots that the signature didn't match or there was no signature on it whatsoever. People who voted twice. There are quite a few examples of compromised ballots. And so the media says there's no example of widespread voter fraud. No, no. But there is an example of certainly mail-in voting being rife with errors, as well as in some cases, small as they may be, and we'll find out after this election, fraud. And Americans really have a problem with people saying, no, no, no, it's just, there's no such thing as voter fraud. There's

no evidence for that. And that's what they see in the, that's what they see in the media, right? But Americans are going, well, hold on a second. I've just read several articles, and I know people will just say it's fake news, but I just read an article that came down from, you know, an actual, like a local court, and I don't know, in Pennsylvania, where there are 800 ballots that had to be discounted, or you can see 50,000 ballots, I think it was in Ohio or Michigan that had problems and they go, those were outstanding. So how can you say there's none Brian Stelter and they just don't follow up? No, they, they think it's a Republican talking point. And, and look, it's, it, it is correct that it would be tough to dismiss a gap of 10,000 or 80,000 votes by trying to find some voter fraud or fraudulently completed ballots. That's a tough ho. But it's

also not true to say that there's no voter fraud, as the mainstream will say, as CNN. They'll just dismiss that out of hand. I mean, Chris Hayes was just going after me and others and Fox News and so on as like, this is just a lie that the right wing puts out there every year. No, we've seen it. We've seen it. And it doesn't mean it has to be hugely widespread, but we've seen enough. We've caught enough to wonder how deep does it go? And that's a legitimate question to ask when it's a tight race.

And even more when you just consider how, I mean, the post office, the post office hasn't turned a profit in 13 years, Megyn Kelly, can you believe that kind of job security if you were you lost money for 13 years? What I'm saying is, no, I'm not necessarily saying that Nancy Pelosi is doing a spirit cooking seance and changing the ballots with a Sharpie. What I am saying is the post office can't get it there within 10 days and they can't turn a profit in a decade and a half. I don't really want an election run by effectively the DMV. And that's a valid position for Americans to take. Of course. And the thing that makes me worry about this vote more than anything, as I watch the vote counters, you know, go through each ballot without letting the

vote watchers get within 100 yards of them, right? It's like tough to watch from that far away unless you've got some binoculars and you can really zoom in. Right. Is the abject and open hatred for Trump? I mean, he is a singular figure in for decades now in American politics in terms of the hatred for him. They've been told we've been told by, you know, a lot of these Democrats in the media that he's a Hitleresque figure. So if you're sitting there counting votes and you actually believe that, who's to say you're not going to think that the ends justify the means? And that's why poll watchers at a point like this are more important than ever. Well, who weren't allowed in in Detroit, right? Right.

Right. And it's like, so what would be the reason not to do it? Just like protect the integrity of the vote. Well, here's the one thing when they, this is, and you correct me if you disagree with me here, but when they say Donald Trump was trying to erode trust in American institutions, I go, by having people vote in person like they always have, by saying that there are errors with mail-in voting,

Donald Trump, when we're talking about transparency all the time, Detroit, we're saying, hey, make sure the poll watchers are there and don't cover up the glass to the polling station with Bristol boards. Okay. How about that? The left is, no, we're going to block them out. You know what? We're going to end all counting. And then we're going to start again in, oh, 45 minutes where Kenosha for some reason flips by 15 to 20 points, the same county, by the way, a small county. and we're not going to give you answers and we're not going to let the poll watchers be in there. Donald Trump is not the one saying, do away with the electoral college. Donald Trump is not the one saying, do away with the current American electoral system. Donald Trump's not saying any of those things. He's saying, hey, we got to make sure that this

process is in the light of day and is honest. I haven't seen Donald Trump try to erode. Is he trying to pack the court? The only institution he's eroded trust in is the media. And I think that it should die and I will urinate on the ashes gleefully. So I think when you look at Joe Biden, who's saying, oh, no, hold on a second, we're actually, we want more mail-in voting than ever. We might pack the courts. I don't know. We should do away with the electoral college, which Kamala Harris has discussed. Okay. What do you believe in, in the United States of America? How are you not trying to erode trust in institutions? And something else, too, that I

think a lot of people in the media miss, Megan. Remember that famous quote, right? The fine people on both sides. And I'm not going where you think I'm going to go here because obviously Donald Trump said- We're talking about Trump and Charlottesville. Charlottesville, yes. The famous quote was said, find people on both sides and no one included the context of him saying, I'm not, I'm not saying neo-Nazis and white supremacists who should be condemned totally. So that of course is the one story that people tell him. It's true. The media took it out of context. I don't think anyone has condemned white supremacy or neo-Nazis more than Donald Trump because no one's been asked as much. However, I actually see something beautiful in that quote and a pattern

of behavior with Donald Trump that a lot of people miss. And keep in mind, I couldn't stand Donald Trump in 2016. I said that if he's a Republican candidate, we deserve to lose. Those were my words and I had to eat them because I was wrong. But what Donald Trump said was, I'm not talking about neo-Nazis. Okay, put that on the shelf, discount that. He goes, but there were people there who wanted to take down these statues, these Confederate statues, and they had a reason to be there. And there were people there who also believed that it was a part of their heritage and they wanted to keep it up. And there were fine people on both sides. In other words, Donald Trump is saying people who disagree with me can still be fine people. Can you find me any example of Donald Trump calling Joe Biden supporters ugly or deplorable? No, he attacks Joe Biden. He attacks the media. He doesn't. Yeah. Or fat.

He doesn't attack the people. Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton, they attack half of the American electorate. They attack half of this country. And Donald Trump has pretty consistently. It's like Woody Allen and Annie Hall just ripping up the speeding ticket. I'm sorry. I just have a general problem with authority. He really does seem to have a heart for all Americans. And we have not seen him attack middle America like these other people have. We've seen him attack the media. We've seen him attack Joe Biden.

I think that's fair game. But no one talks about that. To me, that's beautiful. I can't stand these asshats who want to tear down anything that's offensive or a monument. But for Donald Trump to say, but those can also be fine people. They just have disagreements. My experience of Trump, not personal, but just observational, maybe personal, too, is that as long as he thinks you like him, he's good with you. Like if he thinks you like him or at least are open minded to him, he likes you. It's only if he thinks you don't like him that he'll turn

on you and he'll say nasty things on Twitter and it'll be offensive and so on and so forth. But I've never heard him go after all all Democrat voters, like the people in the middle of the country who he would like to have vote for him as deplorable, as uniformly racist. Now, he'll rip on the political class. I've heard him do that a lot. But this we've seen that this entire four years we've seen it isn't enough to call him racist, xenophobic and all this stuff. If you support him, you are one, too. And one of the things that has struck me this week, Stephen, is as as he's is the numbers have been coming in. And even as Joe Biden is looking like he's winning, you still have the pundits on MSNBC and CNN every night crying a tear in their soup talking about what a racist country this is. It's like, what? I don't get it. Like even with

him losing, we got to listen to these lectures and you've got people saying, no, no, no, no, no. Wokeism has been defeated. No, it hasn't. It's been dealt. It's been dealt a blow at the polls, but wokeism itself wasn't defeated. It won't be defeated. They're too ideologically committed to it. And they'll see an affirmation of their crazy principles, no matter what the vote. Yeah, I can only imagine where would this election be if we actually had a fair press, if we actually had an unbiased press? I mean, think about this for a second. You had someone go out and tweet what was effectively a typo, a typo that added a zero, right? The 128,000 new votes that were found,

uh, I believe was it, uh, was it Michigan? I think it was Michigan or it was Wisconsin. Michigan. Uh, yeah. And Donald Trump said, what is this? And his response, which is a question, what is this was labeled as misleading, but Twitter never labeled the actual tweet, which was a typo by a hundred thousand wrong, that wasn't labeled misinformation. Here's something else, too. I'll tell you off air. I'll send you this picture so you can verify it and take my word for it. But there's a reporter at Washington Post, I believe, named Philip Bump. And a friend of mine sent him a message when that tweet went up. An update gives Biden 100% of the new votes at 128,000. I'm reading this right now. My friend said, what is going on here? And he said, they counted votes in a heavily pro-Biden area, not complicated. In other words,

at this point, we didn't know that it was a typo, but 128,000, 100% new votes found for Biden. At this point, Philip Bump at the Washington Post didn't think there was anything fishy and had no interest in investigating. So I'm saying there is no level of fraud or corruption at all that would cause them to investigate or give them pause if 128,000, which afterwards, Oh, a couple hours later, he didn't know was a typo at this time. And he was saying, no, no, no, that checks out. That to me is terrifying. He's the same guy who went after Trafalgar as completely discredited and a hack and you know it doesn't know what he's doing. And he got Trafalgar got it a lot more right than the Washington Post did. Philip Bump's organization, which was predicting that Biden would be up, I think, 17 points in Wisconsin.

Wrong, sir. Wrong. Right. But there's not going to be any. They're not going to take accountability for any of this. You're already seeing people say, well, sort of in the margin of error. If you just look at this one time, we said this one thing. I'm not hoping for accountability. Here's the thing. You mentioned Trafalgar, but Trafalgar doesn't sit on the fact checking board of the three biggest companies in the world of YouTube, Alphabet, Google and Twitter and Facebook, Washington Post and this asshat do. That's the issue. The guy who said one hundred twenty eight thousand, one hundred percent for Biden, no problem. They're the ones who have the ear of the people who determine what is misleading. That's my point. It's not an

isolated random reporter who we know most of them are hacks and they suck. It's the fact that these people have been assembled as a team of determining what is an authoritative source in today's media with all major companies. And we're talking about big tech. They're more powerful than the Roman Empire. People don't understand. There have never been companies more powerful. They're more powerful than governments. Back to Stephen in one moment. But first, if you have not tried Super Beats soft chews, you're missing out. I love Super Beats soft chews because they make me feel more energized without that jittery feeling

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Which is just crazy to me I can't believe you're only 33 You're married You don't have kids yet, no? No, we don't Hopefully soon, God willing Okay, so Born in Michigan But raised in Canada, right? No, we don't. Hopefully soon, God willing. Okay, so born in Michigan, but raised in Canada, right?

Yes, ma'am. Okay. Yeah. The land of Justin Trudeau. So let me just start with, how did you wind up conservative, right? Because I think of Canada, and I just think of, I don't know, Pinko Kami, Justin Trudeau. What? I know.

I'm just saying, most people I know from there come out more left-leaning. Well, listen, and I hope I'm not touching on a sore spot, but obviously people know you asked a question about blackface, which there was all of this uproar, whereas with Justin Trudeau, the folk liberal Canadian, he didn't just do it once. Like it's his raison d'etre. He was doing it in talent shows, and he was showing up to sporting events in blackface

when there was no reason to be in blackface. He just liked being in blackface, and nobody cared. Have you seen all the pictures? The funniest thing, the funniest thing I think I've ever seen in my life, we were sitting here and there was a press conference. Remember the first time that it had been revealed that Justin Trudeau, for people who don't know, he's a Canadian prime minister. Many people may not because Canada is a silly and consequential place, but he had done blackface and he was being interviewed by reporters. So he's doing this press conference and he says, uh, I, I did, uh, do this.

I did go in, uh, in, in dress up one time and it was a, uh, very poor judgment, a mistake. Uh,

and I'm very sorry. Thank you. And as he's walking out, someone says, excuse me, prime minister. Yeah. Was that,

uh, were there any other moments where you did blackface? And he turns back, he goes, uh, there was one time where I did wear makeup and I sang Deo. Thank you. No more questions.

I'm like, wait, banana song? And he just tried to skim over it. Like he knew that was in his past. And he was just trying to. And he has this. So he went blackface going Deo, Deo. It's worse than old minstrel shows. And he had to answer the question because he knew they were going to find it.

People here, they thought I was going to need a ventilator. I was laughing so hard. That's the kind of stuff. That's why I'm conservative. I love seeing pompous authoritarians taking off their pedestal. And really what it comes down to is Canada. I have an American citizenship. My dad has always been more right-leaning.

And I started working really young. I started working at 12 years old doing voice work in cartoons and commercials. And it started at the dinner table. Ronald Reagan has talked about that. My dad would just have conversations. He'd go, okay, that's a check for doing for Arthur. This is what's going to be gone. I think at the time it might have been like 54%.

I said, why? He goes, well, that's because the government takes it. And I would say, well, why? He said, well, because they also, they pay for your healthcare. And I go, but our healthcare sucks. You know, I knew this as a kid. So my dad explained this to me early on. And then, you know, foundationally as a Christian, they're just, I'm precluded from supporting anyone in the current democratic party as it exists. So that's really all, all it came down to. And to give you an idea, Canadians, they're all jealous of Americans. Do you know the most popular destination? I was raised in the South Shore of Montreal. So kind of like Brooklyn to

Montreal, an area there called the South Shore. But that's a big city, right? You're talking about millions of people. We would drive an hour to Plattsburgh, New York, which is the most long town, but just because it was the land of cool stuff that we didn't get in Canada and everything was, you know, maybe 30 to 40% less, even when you took into account the exchange, uh, because of the taxes in Canada. So a lot of Canadians like to talk crap on the United States, but they, they really do wish that they were American. And the fact that Canada is still allowed to allowed to exist to me is the greatest proof that the United States is not the evil empire superpower. People claim it to be because if they wanted to take over Canada, it would take about an hour and a half. It's too cold for us to want it.

And I hope you're listening. Debbie Murphy. Debbie Murphy is my senior producer on the show. She's been with me since the beginning of my time at Fox. She's my editorial producer. And I love Debbie Murphy and I love having Debbie Murphy with me in New York. But you know what Debbie Murphy did? She married a damn Canadian and then she moved to damn Canada and she had a bunch of damn Canadian babies. Now I can't get her back here. She's actually producing this show from

damn Canada. Oh, gosh. Well, I hope where it's not Quebec, is it? She's not in Montreal. Yeah, Toronto, I think. Right. Yeah. I don't know. They all blend together from down here. Toronto's a boring sister, but it's not nearly as socialist and crazy. I mean, Quebec is just a land of strip clubs and socialism. So it's beautiful. On the bright side, I don't have to give her any benefits because she's got all the socialist offerings of the government up there. So you're 33, you're a child voiceover actor, you become conservative. And then the next thing I know, the way I first came to know you was you're 21, I think, and you come to Fox News. Now that's a good break for you, right? A 21-year-old guy. And I'll tell you what I remember about you. And then you tell me what your experience was. You were hilarious. You were

very smart. You were provocateur. You'd go on college campuses and needle people and argue with them. And it was fun to watch. And then you were gone. And I was like, somebody probably felt threatened by him and decided he should no longer be here. But that was complete supposition on my part. I never found out what happened. So how did you get that job? And what was that all about? All right. So you're saying this is the portion where we dish where we dish like a couple of bitches. I'll do it. I got my Oprah hat on on um no so yeah i started acting and uh doing you know voice work i started doing stand-up in my mid-teens so um i actually got into the just for laughs festival in montreal which um which a lot of people think it's actually harder if you're in montreal to get into the festival because there

are only so many spots but i got into it when i was about 18 and that took me to los angeles and new york to shoot some pilots and some films uh And I was always right leaning. You know, I was always right. And my first manager was black. And he didn't really know that I was conservative until I actually came out and I was doing, you know, shows in New York and the laugh factory. And back then, the improv was still there. And then I would just get into trouble on sets because I didn't really keep my mouth shut. So what happened was, I really sort of became disenchanted with the industry after shooting a film. And I told my parents at,

I believe I was maybe 19 or 20. I said, all right, I'm going to stay with you guys. Give me six months. I'm going to treat this thing like a full-time job. And it was YouTube. And I don't know that someone like me that could come up today. What I did was I direct messaged

hundreds of thousands of people asking them to subscribe to my channel. And the first video that ever went semi-viral, which back then was like 20,000 plays, was Crazy Pete's Abortion Barn. And what it was, was I was reading from Planned Parenthood's website, but like a bad used car salesman, because they were saying,

we offer the highest quality healthcare services at most affordable prices. And so I had this character. They were slashing babies and slashing prices and it was really distasteful and everyone was shocked that someone would do this and then the next uh video that i uploaded was uh me as uh muhammad and i was reading from the quran where he beat his six-year-old wife aisha and i did like a three stooges routine with multiple wives and that's where i started talking with andrew breitbart andrew breitbart, uh, was shocked. And he sent me to, you might remember a guy named, was it Ken LaCourte who was in charge of Fox news? Ken LaCourte. He ran.com

at Fox. Okay. Okay. So this happened, this, this Islam video, the Quran challenge, I called it. And that got a couple hundred thousand plays and I started getting a lot of death threats. And I spoke with Ken and he said, yeah, well, if you die, have someone call me. It's a story, click. I said, okay. That was my introduction to the industry. Then I did this stuff with PJ TV. And this was like an online,

you know, like all these conservative TV, they call it TV, even though it's actually not on TV. And I was the first person to do like hidden camera stuff before James O'Keefe, even though I was a comedian, I went to Canada, I went through the socialized healthcare system.

That took me to Fox News. And you know what happened with Fox news? First of all, my advocate there was Suzanne Scott. All I ever knew was that Roger Ailes find me funny. Uh, and, and, but I also found out that he hated, he thought Norm MacDonald was like the most unfunny person on earth. So I took it kind of as a badge of honor, but, uh, Suzanne Scott and Bill Shine were always very nice with me. And Suzanne Scott was really more of my advocate. So I went in there and I did a bunch of shows. And there was a period of time where they talked about producing a show. But they told me what I wanted to do, what we're doing now would never work. It would never work that conservatives didn't really like that kind of show. The closest they could come to would be Red Eye, which was really political commentary with a couple of people who might be a little snippy. And then it just got to a point where I didn't really think there was much of

a future. And I was depressed. I was really depressed because I was at Fox news and they kind of, I had a little bit of, I wasn't, I wasn't Megan Kelly, right? I was at the, I was at the bottom of the, the totem pole there. So they were often giving me contracts that were very short. And I was always under this cloud of renewal and they didn't really know what they wanted to do with me. And that's not their fault. They knew that they didn't really want any other networks to have me because CNN was calling MSNBC. And then finally I just said, you know what? I just don't really think this is the place for me. And we, we parted ways. And afterwards it became more of a scandal because of the way that the media handles it. But I do remember when I met you, I do remember the first time I did your show,

it was the BP oil spill and Kevin Costner had, uh, the patent remember on some kind of technology to clean up the oil. And, uh, I, I remember I was very nervous because I had a, I had a very, uh, I had a big, I had a big crush. I was not married at the time. I can say this. And, uh, there's, there are people who are, there are people who are pretty. And then there are people because you also, uh, you radiate, uh, uh, you're very kind. It's like looking into the sun, which you can't do for too long. So I had to look away. Uh, and then I remember afterwards, I introduced you to a friend of mine who will remain nameless, but Hollywood, uh, a lister by email. But can I say one thing? And I don't want to, I don't want

to, you did break my heart after that. And let me tell you why. After I left Fox news, I did this thing that went viral where I went to Muslim bakeries. And I'd done your show, I think, maybe twice. And Muslim bakeries were asking to bake a gay wedding cake. It was a funny thing. They all said no. And then you talked about your show and you said some YouTube producer. And I was like, Megan knows who I am.

And so I always wondered why that happened because I always thought we were, you know, we always had a good rapport. Honestly, I'll tell you the truth. I probably just didn't remember, just didn't make the connection. I don't have a very good memory for faces and names. My assistant Abigail is sitting right next to me right now. She's shaking her head. No, no, she has to deal with this all the time. And I worry about it because people think it's because, no, I've become this public figure and I'm just too fancy and important to remember the little people.

And it's not that at all. I've always had this deficiency. I'm not good at remembering faces and names. There are things I am good at, and that's a real deficiency. I've had people, Stephen, they'll stop me on the street, be like, hey, Megan, how you doing? I'm like, oh, good, good. And they'll be like chatting to me.

And it'll occur to me five minutes in the conversation that they actually know me. They don't just know of me. They know me. And I'm like, oh my God, how do I know them? And I'll try to back my way into it. And then they'll be like, yeah, you know, when I was on your show that time, and I'll be like, oh, and they'll be like, and then the next time I'm like, yeah, how many times were you on? They're like five times. I'm like, oh shit. Like I, it's embarrassing. It's like a, it's like a mental handicap. I was like a 22 year old kid. And, you know, I'm sitting there at this point, you know, I was single thinking, well, you know, I thought you were married.

I'm thinking, I mean, I got a shot. And, you know, so to me it meant a whole lot more. And then, yeah, I think you just, but I remember always wondering about that because what did happen and you know this with Fox News, I didn't want to renew the contract at that point. And then it was kind of a, well, you know this with Fox News I didn't want to renew the contract at that point looked them along and then it was kind of a well you you don't leave Fox News now your persona non non grata um and there are some people who I'm still friends with there but it was like you know you don't quit we fire you and I don't know legally what I can talk about with

the contract but I think you can confirm that there's a little bit of that mentality and that was a rude awakening and it surprised me because you know Megan I was at a point in my life where think about it I was a comedian from Canada we We didn't get Fox news. We had a pirate radio from, from Plattsburgh, New York, where occasionally we could get like maybe Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity. Um, and I just knew this was the big show. I knew everyone's saying, Oh, you're on Fox news. You know, and I had a segment every single Sunday where I was debating Alicia Menendez. I was probably appearing four times a week. And then a couple of times in their online thing, which I don't, I don't really,

they didn't pan out. They changed it to Fox Nation. But I'm going, okay, what I want to do, I can't do here. And I'm stepping away from really the only platform that everyone wants to get to if they're a conservative to try a show that they've already told me will never work.

And it was a dark period. I just, you know, I didn't necessarily know how I was going to do it was, it was a dark period. I just, you know, I didn't necessarily know how I was going to do it, but I knew that what I wanted to do, I couldn't do there. And so I'm really sincerely grateful that this show, whatever it is in the audience, whatever it is that we have, that they actually care. I just went out and said, you know what? I would like a show like this. And, and I did it. Right. You created it. Well, I mean, you know, as my, my sister-in-law, Diane, who's very spiritual, she would call that,

and people have heard that, but she would say you manifested it, you know, whether you were consciously doing it or not, at some level, you were making it happen. You were manifesting it. Wait, I want to say just a couple of things. Number one, I am sorry that I didn't remember you. Um, I'm, I'm really not good at that, but I'm sorry. So no, absolutely no personal offense intended there. No, I appreciate it. I just was wondering why. Yeah, no, but I feel bad. I genuinely feel bad.

I hate the fact that this thing I have would ever make somebody feel like they didn't matter to me. I wish I could do something about it. I wish there were like a pill you could take that would help you. I actually am one of those people who I'm always Googling, like, have they come out with it yet? The thing that helps your memory. I have a really good memory for certain things like facts. I can remember, I can remember news stories. I can remember the details. I can remember somebody who contradicts themselves, but this one lane. And I wonder whether any of the listeners have this same thing, you know, like, you know how like some people are really good at directions and some people aren't,

some people are good at foreign languages and some people aren't. And some people are great with faces and names and, and aren't Anyway. Okay. So that's number one. Number two, on you leaving Fox News, I too have a ton of friends who are still there. And some of my best friends in the world are there. But I do think that there is an element, and I say this respectfully, there's an element of cult-like nature to it because you're either in or you're out. You're in or you're out you're in or you're out and once you're out it is like the omerta principle you know like dead and to me that's like and i i had a bumpy exit in a way i mean i chose to leave of course but because of the whole roger rails thing

and that upset a lot of people who loved roger and did not like the fact that i didn't support him but i did once i had a couple of years out of the organization realize it is, it does sort of move as one group and you're either in that group or you're not. And it took me a couple of years to sort of emerge standing up straight and tall and back to myself after leaving and remember like, oh wait, you know, I don't have to go along with certain things and I can think for myself and I don't have to, you know, do things exactly the way Roger Ailes wanted me to do them. I can just do them the way, you know, it's like took a while. So I can validate the feelings you may have been having of like other otherizing. And I didn't change the way that I was while I was there. But to go back to what you mentioned about names and faces, you know,

the two weren't necessarily one of the same because I am horrible with names, but I never forget a face or a voice. It borders on perhaps some kind of autism, which my wife says, she's like, I think you're autistic. I'm like, why? Just because I, just because I like a weighted blanket. Come on. But I do like a weighted blanket. It sounds great. Yeah. Weighted blankets are fantastic. I have them on all my beds. I'm like, how did I not know about this before? I used to to when I was a kid, I would put extra blankets on my bed because I wanted more weight. And then at the very last second, I'd fan my terrycloth robe over it and go, okay, that's enough. Terrycloth. Wait, I didn't actually know about the weighted blanket. I confess I'm

just learning about the weighted blanket right now. It's a thing. You can get it for any bed. Because you're not retarded like me where I do wear, I use the weighted blankets but i've only found you can't say retarded well i just did you're not going to edit this out are you like dan crenshaw editing out favorite jokes ever in his podcast i can't believe what i can't believe he did it he drove me well we will not be editing you out but just as a quick aside i remember interviewing bernie goldberg one time on the fox news and he used the term midget and i said you can't say midget this is live in the news and he used the term midget. And I said, you can't say midget. This is live in the air. And he goes, midget, midget, midget, midget. There was no editing in live TV. No. Well, okay. Well, thank you. I'm glad you won't. Yeah, no, I can say, I don't understand why that is actually an offensive word because it comes from the Latin. They come from the romance,

all the romance languages come from. is offensive that's why well guitar means late it actually means slow to arrive um and you know my wife and i have actually volunteered with special needs people it's a big reason why we're very pro-life so it's just when people tell us like you can't say it i'm like i have watched mentally retarded people call other people retarded like this is something i but you guys wouldn't know because you don't hang around and they're not offended if you say someone mentally handicapped, which is now offensive as well, specially abled. Anyway, that's beside the point. Do you want to hear the joke that was in Crenshaw's podcast? That guy, that's that son of a gun. He was talking about, uh, mirroring, or he was talking about reflecting a psychological term or about the left. I think he said they're

reflecting what the right does and this was edited out. So now I want the world to hear it because it wasn't a joke that I wrote. Just something I said as an aside. And we had to pause the whole thing. He said, you know, Democrats are doing this reflecting. I said, yeah, I believe it's a psychological term. You know, when I did social studies, they call it mirroring where you're actually mirroring people's emotions. And sometimes you're matching their intensity. I said, I, I actually, as a boss, I govern by projection. I just yell at everyone for having a small penis. He cut that out of his show. Like someone's going to be offended about me joking that I have a small wiener for crying out loud. Come on.

I'm surprised at that. I would have thought, I mean, he's from Houston, right? Let go of it. I would have thought Dan Crenshaw would have been like a Texas humor. They can take anything. But the face thing. I never forget a face. Just yesterday, we were watching something. My wife and I can't remember. I can't remember the But the face thing. I never forget a face. Just yesterday,

we were watching something, my wife and I, I can't remember the name of the show, but I was watching it, and I said, oh, that's the guy. I said, that guy, that guy, that guy. And he's probably about 25 years older.

I said, that's the guy from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. And Hillary goes, the guy with the mustache? I go, no, you're thinking about Martin Maul. It was a guy who had a guest role in one episode on Sabrina the Teenage Witch

as a teacher. Oh my God. And I can pick it out. When I was at the YAF, the National YAF Conference, this is where people, they all show up from every different college. It distracts me because I look out into the crowd and I can see faces and I can remember exactly where I was when I met them, what they were wearing, who was with me, but I can never remember a name. It really is a weird thing. But really is a gift. That's a gift. You're halfway home. I would kill to be able to have that. I interviewed Mary Lou Hemmer,

Hemmer. Yeah. Henner, Henner, Henner, um, from taxi. And she's got that thing. They featured her on 60 minutes a few years ago. She's got that thing. They, they, they found like, I don't know if it's, if it's only like six people in the United States who have it, you can say, Mary Lou, November 2nd, 1978. And she can tell you what she was wearing that day, what the temperature was, what time the sun set, everything about the day. She's got a photographic memory for every detail of her life on any given day. And I emerged from my interview with her and from the 60 Minutes piece thinking that is much more of a curse than it is a gift. That's also if it's just her life, that's a narcissist. Like I know everything about me.

Really? How about one other person? I don't have the space. What am I? What am I, retired? I don't remember my stuff. I need a friend like that in my life because since my memory for those details is so poor, I'll be talking to somebody who's got this thing, like not, not like Mary Lou, but who's really good

at remembering things. And, um, I'll be like, they'll be telling me a story about it. You know, when we were in high school and I'll be like, and then what I do and then what, like, I, it's like hearing the story for the first time. I'm worried. I think if I might have early Alzheimer's, I don't know what it is. Let's not know about Alzheimer's because our potential president could have it. And it's no laughing matter. Let's just hope he's still alive so we can find out. I mean, it's unclear. Joe, if Joe Biden actually, and I don't think he's going to become president, but if he does, he's definitely not living through the first term. I mean, it was 70 something percent of

Democrats didn't believe he would make it through his first term. That is that is a vote of no confidence, madam, if I've ever heard one. Why? Because they think he's going to pass or because they think Kamala Harris is going to take him out? I've heard that too. I think it was 72 or 78 percent of Democrats that they didn't think he would serve his entire first term. So yeah, they either think that he could, I don't know, maybe someone will turn on a microwave and he'll piss his pants, forget who he was for a second with the plate in his head that acts up. Or maybe they think Kamala Harris will take him out. I didn't see that subset of the polling questions, but a majority of Democrats don't believe he'll make it to his first term. And I tend to. I mean, these

are these are listen, obviously, these are the conversations people are having. They're worried about his health and one way or the other. And they wonder whether this is all set up by the Democrats to get her in to the presidential seat as soon as possible, because, you know, he does seem, as Crystal Ball said the other day, not at the apex of his authority or what was the second word power? I don't know. Mental acuity. He's a demented old circle. Let's go with that. I think that's an apt description. Okay. All right. Let me ask you about your approach to these subjects. Cause when I see your YouTube show, which has got over 4 million followers, it's huge. That's just on any given day, nevermind, you know, election, you really have no third rails. I mean, you mentioned some of them, like I like to think I don't have as many, I guess, as the average person, but man, you make me look like an uptight Pollyanna. I I can't believe you've been doing the Prophet Muhammad stuff.

I mean, I will tell you that scares me. I support your right to do it. And I secretly admire your willingness because it is free speech. You know, we were told by sort of radical Islam that if you even talk about Prophet Muhammad, God forbid, depict Prophet Muhammad, you could be killed. And you not only did the skit you just talked about, but I saw one where you're pretending to be Bob Ross, the painter, and you were painting the Prophet Muhammad. And it was very, it was not it was not a laudatory presentation. And I thought, Oh, my God, this guy, he's fearless. I mean, can may I ask you whether, given what we saw at Charlie Hebdo, you know, the magazine in France that that wrote that published pictures, cartoonish pictures of the Prophet Muhammad and then he was and then and then they were killed. Twelve of them were killed. Another 11 were shot back in 2015.

Does it give you any pause? Are you afraid at all? No, no. Listen, I am not fearless. Anyone here will tell you that I'm neurotic and I'm very, very fearful. I was bullied as a kid. I get so nervous before every single show that I do here in the studio and every single live show. There's always a moment right before where the lights go on. I go, why am I doing this? And I'm just this what you can't see, but I'm putting my finger, my thumb together. I'm just this close to walking off. And I go, why do I do this? I am a recluse. This is actually, I think the only interview that I've done outside of my show for gosh, and so I can't, I can't remember when outside of like Ben Shapiro or good friends, when they call me up,

I'm a private person. I don't like fame. Uh, but I do feel compelled to, uh, at least be authentic and speak truth. And listen, um, if someone says that you can't paint Muhammad, yeah, I can. Yeah, I can. And I'm not just like I'm not going to be intimidated into voting for your candidate because you're burning down our cities. That does not happen. You don't change my mind at gunpoint. And that's why we do the change my mind. When people call me a Nazi because I have a change my mind, you know, that we do a video

series and I say Donald Trump's not a racist, change my mind and I'm a Nazi. But someone wants to actually support a religion that will behead me for simply painting a prophet. And by the way, one thing, too, people need to understand, the show is a PG-13, okay? And that's one thing, too. When I was doing stand-up comedy, one of the biggest arguments I'd ever gotten into at Fox News was with Amy Schumer because I wrote a column on abstinence. And she was furious because she thought it was judgmental.

And I was saying, that's more taboo. Me talking about not having sex until I'm married, that offends people. Comedians can do anything. They can talk about any depraved sex acts. And, you know, like let's take Amy Schumer, for example, talking about blowing guys at truck stops, all this stuff. If I go, and then all of a sudden I paint Muhammad

and that's more offensive. Listen, there's nothing vulgar about it. It's just that we are told we can't do it. And I don't do it to be a provocateur. I did it because for people who haven't watched it, the sketch was Bob Ross doing it as an homage to the beautiful religion that is Islam, blissfully unaware that he was committing blasphemy

and my producer was watching it horrified. That's the joke. It was funny. It's still funny. And I don't apologize for it. But of course, I'm always scared when I make those decisions. I'm not only on the ISIS kill list. I'm on the top 25, the frequent flyer list.

I'm the delta platinum of ISIS kill. And you know what? Thank God I live in America. If I were in Canada, I'd be concerned because I could be jailed. And I have a friend right now who is before a human rights tribunal for a joke in Canada. So to me, this is the only place in the world where freedom of speech actually exists. People go, what do you mean? And I say, I mean, just that it's the only place in the world where we have freedom of speech. It's absolute and it's enshrined in our constitution. And if that means

that I have to paint a few prophets, so be it. Now, it scares me. I'm friends with Ayaan Hirsi Ali. And, you know, she was helping make this Dutch filmmaker make a film about Islam that was not complimentary. And he Theo van Gogh, and he wound up with a fatwa, you know, like an order for his death, stabbed into his chest with a knife and was killed. And she, she's, she's had a fatwa against her now for being critical of Islam and walks around with security all the time. It is scary. I mean, that's next level scary. It's one thing to like, you know, thumb your nose is a cancel culture. But it is a free speech principle. I mean, it isn't I would say something I would do. I just don't want to mess with people's religions

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So you go on college campuses, and I like the name of it. It just changed my mind. It's not like, screw you, you're stupid. It's like, I believe this changed my mind this girl. She was kind of sweet. She came over. She wanted to argue with you about how Amy Coney Barrett should not get a hearing and that we should wait until post-vote. And we have the clip. Listen. So there's a longstanding precedent.

As a matter of fact, it would be a violation of American precedent in decorum to not confirm them. So I guess what would you be? and I've heard this quite a bit. I just don't, I mean, she goes against so much of what, so much of the progress that we've made from the Supreme Court justice that she's going to be replacing. That sits okay with you? Do you care about women's rights? Do I care about women's rights?

Yes. Of course I do. But what does that have to do with confirming Amy Coney Barrett? I don't think that she's the best fit to begin with so is that the litmus test for why we should not confirm a justice no the election year was like first up but okay but the election you want to go deeper than yeah it's also that okay but you said the election year have we addressed the election year that there's 29 times precedent? So this is so you don't like it. You don't feel good about it. No, I told you that it was because of an

election year. Like this, this has been this year has been a mess for so many reasons. And I don't know why we couldn't just wait a little bit longer to make that decision when someone's elected. I guess the question becomes, again, you would have to justify, you'd have to rationalize that reason considering that it goes against precedent. Waiting to nominate. That's not what we do. That's not what Obama did. That's not what's happened 29 times. You nominate. You're the president. That's what you do. And if you're the Senate, you confirm or you reject. That's what you do. So I don't understand the reasoning, I guess. That is a good point. I'm thinking.

No, no, I appreciate it. I've heard your argument. You is a good point. I'm thinking. No, no, I appreciate it. I just heard your argument. You made a good point. I know. I'm thinking. I like her. I mean, you had your facts. And that's sadly she did not.

And was kind of all over the board. You know, when you hit her with the facts, she was like, well, this is just how I feel. Well, I just don't want it, which isn't an argument. But I think it's to her benefit to be shorn up, right, to be pressed on her points so she can either shore them up or abandon them, which she should because you had her. But it's pretty fearless of you to just go right into the belly of the beast with people who I mean, you're not that old yourself. Like you should by all rights and purposes, you should be feeling like they feel right because you're a kid. You're so young, but you're their age. I think they listen to you and you just are there armed with your fact, fact, fact, fact, fact.

Has it ever has it ever changed your mind? Changed my mind? No, I've changed a lot. And I've changed a lot of other people's minds. I should I should. Hers included. Yeah. You know, it happens quite a bit. We had one woman or young lady who was pro abortion and told me that she'd had an abortion, why she thought it was right. She talked about why she didn she thought it was right. She

talked about why she didn't think it was wrong. And then later she talked about how she was a Christian. She believed in God. And I ended up with saying, and listen, I understand why you feel that way and how difficult it must have been. But I also will tell you with confidence that you're going to see your baby's face in heaven one day. She came back on the show a week later and said that she entirely changed her opinion and she's become a pro-life activist. These conversations, we've also done them on the street. We've also had professors come up. Just recently when we did the one about Charlottesville, the very fine people, there was a professor from Brookhaven, a professor of political science, who actually didn't know Donald Trump's tax policy. So the whole idea of Change My Mind is

it's not a debate. I've had Naomi Wolf on the show. We've had some pretty big name leftist intellectuals. So it becomes harder and harder to get them to actually come on the show for a debate. And I'm very clear, like, hey, listen, I have an opposing point of view. Change My Mind really was sort of spawned in, I hate to say this, but the anti-Fox News, where my friend and I were sitting going, you know what? We were just talking about politics. And I said, why can't this be there? Why can't this be on air? Oh, because you have commercial breaks and people have to get in, they have to score points, right? And they try and hit a gotcha. And then we go to a reverse mortgage with Tom Selleck. It's not his first rodeo. And I just said, what if we just let people

talk? And these are also very different conversations when you're having people who aren't political pundits rationalize their position. These are not people who are coming in to make sure that they don't lose, that they still have a contributorship status, or they still have some kind of senior fellow status at a think tank. So a criticism that I have heard people say is, well, why do you go to college campuses? Well, half of them have not been on college campuses. They've been randomly in the street. We've done them with professors. And that's very different from the actual formal debates we've hosted on our show. And I would love to do more debates, actually.

We've tried to do a Change My Mind Professor Edition or host formal debates on college campuses. And no professors will do it. No professors will do it. Yeah, they won't do it. Come on. No. Yeah, we've said, no, obviously, I'm not going to debate a professor who Yeah, they won't do it. No. Yeah. We've said now, obviously I'm not going to debate a professor who's, for example, like a geologist on a,

I'll go in and go, I don't know, sedimentary igneous. No, but social studies professor or a political science professor where we would like to do it. And yeah, we haven't had any gender studies. Then send anyone you want. Just don't send anybody you want back. That's what I'll do. I will do it with no mercy tomorrow on the stage because I think his ideas are silly and I wouldn't expect to score points or win. But Change My Mind is very different.

It is more so designed to be a tool for people in the real world to be able to have these conversations with people at a dinner table, at a park, maybe at a business function. And sometimes, you know, they don't always go well, they get heated. We have people come in and they, you know, whip stuff at us or they break the table. But for the most part, they're pretty productive. And so I hope people recognize that it's by design that it's different. But how do you get over the, I don't know, I don't know how to put

this, but sort of the instinct to claim offense, to claim that they've been victimized by you. You know, when you go to these third rail places, it is, whether intended to be or not, it is provocative. And I know you got some of that blowback when you did. There's no such thing as rape culture. And some of the women and even some of the guys who came over were like, this is, this is bull. I know people have been raped or a woman said I have been raped and I don't, and I have several friends who have been in those moments. Are you feeling like, I'm uncomfortable or what is that? How does that feel? No, no. You know why? Cause, um, I'm not in the business of ascribing intent.

So I take their arguments at face value. And I will tell you though, from, from my point of view, it comes from a place of empathy. And when someone says I've been raped, I'll say, oh my gosh, I can't, that's, that's horrible. I that's, that's horrible. I can't believe that happened to you. And I want to talk with them and I want to console them, but that doesn't mean that we have a rape culture here in the United States. And so that's where it comes from. I don't feel guilty if I'm not going out there to insult people. When I say rape culture in the United States is a myth, I mean, rape culture is a myth. And if you think I'm wrong, you are free to change my mind. When I say that Donald Trump is the best president of the modern

American era, I mean it. When I say that Donald Trump isn't racist, or when I say, I can't, the second, I'm pro, one of them is just, I'm pro second amendment. I'm pro life. I mean it. And it's not, it's not me going out there to try and just piss you off. Um, you, you're welcome to change my mind. And the idea is it forces, we don't learn the Socratic method. Oh no. Now that's considered insensitive. They're actually objecting to that in some universities. Now that's what we used in law school. I mean, they walk you down the path of your own logic until you slam headfirst into the brick wall of logic and realize you've failed. And then like a mouse in a maze, you have to back up and try another lane. And then finally, at the end, you get the cheese if you're smart enough to figure it out. But that's how you learn logical reasoning. It's insane to me that they're trying to get rid of the

Socratic method because the snowflakes, it makes them feel bad when they hit the wall. Try harder. I know. We'll upload one. I did this video where I was asking people about the Charlottesville fine people on both sides, and none of them had heard that Donald Trump condemned neo-Nazis and white supremacists. When I showed them that clip, they said, well, it still didn't change my mind. But there was a professor there who was waiting and was interviewing people on the street. And this is getting harder to do, Megan, probably like you've experienced this because people recognize me. You know, I don't quite have the financial cushion that you do or the ability to have security. Like, what am I going to do? Hide behind my basketball hoop and my above ground pool. But I go out there,

I have a bulletproof vest a lot of the time and I'm recognized a lot. So it's hard for me to do this. Uh, but there was a professor who was waiting. So he'd watch me interview other people. And I think it was, it was my audio guy here. Audio, was it Brookhaven? Something like that. Some school. It was a community college in Texas, a well-regarded community college. And he was a professor of politics.

So he'd been waiting, watching me interview other people. And I really didn't want to interview him because I wasn't looking to get into an argument. I was looking to see if people had actually heard the entire context of the Donald Trump clip. But I said, OK, come on up. Professor of politics. And he said, I think that Donald Trump is bad in everything that Trump clip. But I said, okay, come on up. Professor of politics. And he said, I think that Donald Trump is bad in everything that he's done. I said, really? What bothers you most about Donald Trump?

This is a professor in politics. He goes, well, he hasn't really helped the Kurds there in Turkey. I said, oh, okay. So what would you like him to do? Well, he needs to support them more. I said, okay, I understand that. That's a valid position to hold. So were you, I guess you were supportive of George W. Bush in Iraq? No. He's a professor of politics now. I said, wasn't there something

about like biochemical gassing or the Kurds and Saddam Hussein? He goes, yeah, but I wouldn't, you know, we shouldn't have been there to destabilize it. I said, okay, so you were against doing anything there and helping the Kurds, but today you think that we should? He said, yeah. I said, okay, well, listen, that's a position you can hold. I don't know that I necessarily agree with you. Then I said, what about tax policy? He didn't know about tax policy. Again, this is a guy who's a professor of politics. He said, you know, I don't think he's done a damn thing for the middle class. I said, what about the fact that the average household wage has gone up? Lowest number that you'll hear cited, $4,000 up to $5,000 in the

three and a half years. He goes, well, I didn't know that. I said that the average American pays $1,600 to $1,800 less in taxes. He goes, well, I didn't know that. I said that the average American pays $1,600 to $1,800 less in taxes. He said, well, I didn't know that. And I said, okay, let's assume that what I'm telling you right now, in a 3.5% unemployment, lowest unemployment of black Americans ever. I said, let's assume that everything right now I'm telling you is true, that I'm not lying. What would you say to that?

He goes, well, well, those would be some good points. And I don't know what happened when he went home, and I don't know how he moderates debates in his political science class with his students but that's scary and these are the people who are teaching our kids and i'm not i'm not that i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed i this comes from a place of fear i over prepare always because i i assume i'm going to be caught flat-footed i assume that the next guy knows more than I do. It's like, you know, thinking of an argument as a tree and you have this trunk, you know, and this is a basic argument. And that's where like, not my president, right?

That's where people have me. Okay, let's break off from that. And let's see the potential counter arguments. And how is there, is there a way that I can maybe lead somebody down this branch? And then you realize that there are professors in this country who are just a stump. Well, and lawmakers, too. That's one of the scarier things, I think. I mean, it's bad enough to have them in academia. But I think for a long time, people revered U.S. senator.

You know, you got to have your stuff together to be a U.S. senator. And then you find out, oh, my God, so wrong, so wrong. And now having spent all these years in news, having met so many lawmakers, some are great. Some are dumb as a rock, boxer rocks, the boxies everywhere, congressional boxy. And it scares me. And it really, it's what really got me thinking several years ago about how these guys are not the answer. They, they, they, they are not the path forward. Every once in a while, you get somebody who's really smart, or at least a deep thinker, somebody who really wants to problem solve. Like Rand Paul is somebody who I think

is smart and really thinks about issues and tries to come up with innovative solutions. He may or may not be your cup of tea, but you can't say he's not a thinker. So this is a good example. I make fun of Rand Paul a lot, but he's been on the show a lot. So in the election, the 2016, the primaries, I just called him toilet brush head because I find his head looks like a toilet brush, you know, those white toilet brushes. And he came back? It's a recurring relationship? All the time. I just try and be straightforward with it. You know, I sent him with Ted Cruz.

I made fun of Ted Cruz. John Kasich probably will never be on the show. I've been brutal with him. But no, I appreciate Rand Paul. I agree with you. I think he's one of the good ones. I think he's a guy who can't be bought or sold. And we don't have to look at this to an hour.

This is, we're having a good time here. And I know I've been interrupting you. I apologize with my mansplaining, uh i'm always interested as you stop it hey can i ask you a question because i don't i don't want to let you go yeah go ahead okay uh i'm trying to think and you're the lawyer so you tell me if you get into legal hot water do you remember at fox news so particularly it was fox and friends in the morning there was an Israeli war, gay wardrobe guy. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Do not. I only knew one wardrobe woman. Her name was Gwen Martyr and she ran the whole show, like the whole wardrobe department. Okay. Well, I never met. Nevermind.

I was going to say I was sexually harassed. I didn't mind it. What? What happened? I said, don't grab my ass anymore. That was it. But I just wondered if you knew it,

but I was just saying like, it happened to like guys get sexually harassed too. It happens all the time. But of course they do. I said, don't grab my ass anymore. That was it. But I just wondered if you knew it. But I was just saying, it happened, like guys get sexually harassed too. It happens all the time. Of course they do. He kind of looks like the lead singer from Simple Plan. He was a nice guy though too. I actually was flattered.

And we actually, we talked about the IDF and Krav Maga and stuff, but he actually- He grabbed your ass? Yeah. Like got a good handful? Yeah.

Well, listen, if anyone's seen my ass, it's not hard to grab a handful. I have a huge ass. It's ridiculous. I constantly look like a catcher in the ready position, only that's me standing upright. Hey, people are paying big money for that these days.

You should be honored. You should be proud of it. No, I'm not proud of it, but I find it disgusting when women are actually just working their ass at the gym. Now they've created these isolation machines so that people can just have disproportionately large butts. And that's silly. Mine develops naturally. Well, let me tell you something. If you want to work on that, let me tell you, I went to see my dermatologist. I get like the full body mole check once a year, you know, and they take pictures of

all the moles on your body because I'm Irish. So, you know, I don't, I have moley skin. And, um, the dermatologist actually said to me, cause he's one of those cosmetic dermatologists, so he can do everything. He actually said to me, you know, we have this machine that we can connect to your butt and it like vigorously moves your butt cheeks and it makes them hard. It's like, it gives you, it's like the equivalent of like a month long of like butt squeezes and butt lifts without doing any of the exercise. You can put them on your abs. You can put them on your butt. I'm like,

what are you trying to say, doc? Huh? Could you just take a picture of the mole? I'm like, let's move along. Did he say, and the thing about this machine is it's my hands.

I would imagine that wouldn't surprise me if he did that. That just sounds like the old fitness belt. Remember they used to do like you'd stand and go over.

It's like that. I saw it. I have to tell you, it's tempting. Just a funny epilogue of that story. After they take the pictures of the moles,

they make like a photo album for you of all your moles so that you can keep an eye on them year to year. And I'm like, okay, I guess this is what I have to do. Just make sure I don't get skin cancer. So what I didn't remember is that

again, my assistant Abby, she opens all my mail. So it was kind of, I think I harassed her. I think I sent her naked pictures of myself. I was basically sexted. There's a place in Dallas called Cooper clinic. The guy actually, I think, invented, I guess, the term aerobic exercise. And I do a full body scan. My dad had skin cancer. And that was actually the closest I came to crying on air because I found out right before going on air. My father had melanoma on his temple, which is a really, really bad place to get it.

And I remember I got called and I had walked out of the studio and we were starting really soon. And he said, hey, can you grab a couple minutes? And my mom and him were on the phone. He said, just so you know, I have skin cancer and it's okay. I'm going to go in to get it removed. And so then I thought, oh, okay, it's not a big deal. And then he sent a follow-up text.

It was melanoma and it was on his temple and then it already spread. And it was right about before we go to live and I just started, I cried like a little bitch. And then I kind of, you know, okay, pick it up and do the show. And, um, what we did was we did, uh, the cancer joke off where I, I joked about when we referred to my father as Kim Jong-un for about two years, because they, you know, where they cut the scar and they cut off his, uh, his cancerous mole. He didn't have any hair growing there. And we had my dad select his favorite joke about cancer. So when people tell me that something's off limits, it's like, listen, I don't think cancer is funny. This is the way that we process and deal with this. Also, if we were still in Canada, my dad would probably be dead.

They spotted it. And the only reason he wasn't in within 12 hours to get it removed was because it was, I think it was a Saturday and then Sunday they weren't performing the procedures. I've had people with stage four lung cancer, relatives, an aunt actually. I've had several relatives who had serious cancer, but I had an aunt that it took her several months to get diagnosed with stage four lung cancer in Canada. This is within the last five years, mind you. And then it took her another six weeks to see a doctor to find out what the treatment

would be for her stage four lung years, mind you. And then it took her another six weeks to see a doctor to find out what the treatment would be for her stage four lung cancer, which of course spread. So when people talk about socialized healthcare in Canada, I go, well, listen, if your barometer there is free, okay. But if it's about living,

well, I have a dad who's still alive because of American healthcare. Do you want to hear what his favorite joke was? His skin cancer joke? I'm not sure I do, but yes, go ahead. This is what my dad, it was crowdsourced and it was a doctor call. So this is an old man joke. And by the way, people, I'm not plagiarizing. This isn't my joke. It's my dad selected this. A guy goes into the doctor and the doctor says,

um, I have some really bad news for you. He says, okay, hit me with it, doc. He says, okay. Um, well you have cancer first off. He says, oh boy. He says, and you have Alzheimer's. The guy pauses, intensity, and he thinks for a second. He goes, well, I guess it could be worse. At least I don't have cancer. My dad picked that right after surgery. That's how I deal with tragedy in the family. So if people want to judge me, don't tell me what's off limits.

We called, but we photoshopped him as Kim Jong-un because he had cancer in his temple. So if people want to judge, don't tell me what's off limits. We call, but we Photoshopped Kim Jong-un because he had cancer in his temple. I believe in the use of humor to get yourself through tough times.

And I hate the crackdown. One of the things that's so awful about cancel culture is it's cracked down on comedy. By the way, before we move off of socialized medicine

and how it can be really dangerous, I hope you're listening, Canadian Debbie. We don't have those problems here in the United States, Canadian Debbie. I would get you great health care if you just move here to make sure your

whole family were covered. OK, but anyway, I can't stand it. You go to like the comedy cellar here in New York and it's like I try to think of the cleaned up version of these guys routines and I I want to cry in my soup. It's like I don't get how we've gotten to this place where everything has to be offensive. You can't joke about it. You can't make it as a comedian anymore. And even the ones who are paid to entertain us on late night television, they don't even want to try to make us laugh.

They just want to go political. I mean, all they want to do is sort of politics in our face. I just feel like what we're doing to each other is insane. The people who are supposed to be funny are lecturing us and the people who are supposed to be laughing are lecturing us. And the normal people are sitting there saying, am I the crazy one? Maybe maybe I am just offensive in everything I do. No, I don't think that you're the crazy one. And, you know, there's a difference between being vulgar so you can find vulgarity everywhere. You know, you can have Stephen Colbert calling our president president's mouth Putin's cock holster. Right. But where is he making any jokes about Joe Biden? For example,

going back to Justin Trudeau, we did a silly little sketch. People got really mad where I was as Justin Trudeau. And by the way, my Justin Trudeau costume, it's literally just a giant vagina costume. That's all it is. That's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is a suit and then a vagina costume with a Canadian flag pin. It's an ongoing character. On behalf of all vaginas, I object. Yes, well, listen, I would object as well. I wouldn't want to count him amongst them, but there it is. I didn't have an act. How else do you portray Justin Trudeau? It's a basic white guy.

So we're like, well, people, obviously a big, you know. So we did this fake sketch where I was doing a makeup tutorial. You know, you see these things on YouTube all the time. But it was Justin Trudeau, and he was applying activated charcoal to his face. And so by the end of it, the makeup tutorial is him inadvertently going in full blackface. And people were offended at that.

Now listen, there's nothing vulgar about that. And by the way, this is a guy who did blackface like 29 times. Okay? So that is more offensive. Cockholster is not. Amy Schumer, I'm so drunk and I go down. You say So that is more offensive. Cock holster is not. Amy Schumer, I'm so drunk and I go down. You say, that's not offensive.

But painting Muhammad as Bob Ross in something that should be rated G is more offensive. And that's why I say it's not dirty. Dirty is not risky. Dirty is not a new frontier. There are third rails, and that's what bothers me.

The third rails are opinions that you are not allowed to express. And so people are often surprised where they go, oh, I can't let my kid watch your show. I go, really? Why not? Well, you know, you do some stuff. I go, what was it, the activated charcoal, the blackface? They go, oh, that's a rough one.

I go, your kid can see that. The Bob Ross, Muhammad. Now, there are some things that kids shouldn't see, but the truth is it's actually more family-friendly, but it offends far more people. Amy Schumer didn't have NBC Universal Vox try to get them erased from the biggest online platform in American history. That didn't happen with Stephen Colbert because they're trying to they're pretenders. They're pretending as though they're being edgy.

And really what they're just doing is they're looking for their audience of trained seals to clap for what's funny. When we go and we do a show until this year, we do the Halloween Spooktacular. We do two live shows a year. And often they'll want me to go and speak at a podium and we'll have a writer and they'll be like, what a smoke machine. What do you need this for? And a laser light show because it's an actual, it's a comedy show and it's almost a rock show. We have music. We really try and make it fun, have a party on campus. But we don't have someone with an applause sign. And so when people watch it live streamed, you can hear what jokes land and what jokes don't.

And that's how we know it's funny. And by the way, there are people there from every ethnicity you can imagine, every walk of life, every age group. And it's a facade. I think that the old way of, of doing, uh, this kind of programming is dead. And I grew up on David Letterman. Uh, I recently spoke with someone at Bloomberg because I was trying to promote the event in Michigan. That's the only time I've ever done press. And, um, he wrote in the article that like a shock, shock, like Rush Limbaugh, I specifically told him, I said, I didn't grow up with Rush Limbaugh because we didn't have him in Canada. I said, I grew up idolizing people like David Letterman. And so I always describe my show

to people. Everyone at Fox News and I was there like, oh, we need a conservative daily show. We need a conservative daily show. I said, no, no, no, we don't. We just need any show that's actually entertaining from someone who happens to be conservative. My show would be most comparable to David Letterman meets like mid-era Stern meets John Stossel. That's how I would describe it to me. I like that. I love John Stossel. Stossel is one of my favorites. So we know him and his wife pretty well. And they live not far from us in New York. And I'll tell you one funny story about Stossel. He after the birth of one of my kids, he came by my desk and gave my assistant again, Abby, all these bottles and like pacifiers and stuff. I'm like, oh,

that's nice. You know, I came out, I'm like, what's this? She goes, oh, it's from Stossel. I'm like, oh, that's sweet. So I see him later. I'm like, Hey, thanks for all the baby stuff. And he's like, oh yeah, you're welcome. He's like, it was, it's a bunch of stuff they say causes cancer, but we, we don't think it does. We a segment i mean now take care for god's sake like you were a child like it's a bunch of toys that some people say cause cancer even with that i will hand you this gift bag he um and just he wasn't even gonna tell me he wasn't even gonna tell me or tell abby abby didn't know i was I was going to give it to all my kids. Like, you know, completely unknowingly. I love the guy. Great. California 45 warning that was on there, the little sticker. We just recently asked him to

be on the show a few times. And you know what we got an answer? I think it was for the election stream. No, that was it. So him. Oh, can I tell you? All right. So that reminds me another thing. You'll go over to their house for dinner. His wife is a brilliant New York City psychiatrist. She's very successful. And the two of them together like a comedy routine because she's very open and honest about his behavior. And he's like constantly like kind of offended. And we'll be sitting at their house for dinner. And you know how like when somebody comes over for dinner and you're kind of ready for the dinner to end and you kind of try to wind it up politely, not Stossel. You'll be in the middle of the dinner and he'll say, I'm going upstairs and I'm going to bed now because I'm tired. Thank you for being here. That's it. He's gone. And now my husband,

Doug, and I call it the Stossel. Like we got Stossel. Oh my God. Like the night's over before you had, you had no warning, but can I tell you now? I love it. It's it's amazing you can just be totally honest like i'll do it a different way i won't really kick people out of the house but i'll say somebody like oh really missed you at the book club and i'll say i i you know i would have been there but i didn't want to it's very liberating oh it absolutely is yeah and that's what's most most things most of the time i'd rather just either be home with my wife or alone that's it it. People, if I had, this is what people understand. When I was sitting on our porch, like a small cottage on the lake in Michigan, where we go in the summer, and I was having a cigar and I was reading a book,

I said, if I were the world's first trillionaire, this is what I'd be doing. And I think that's also what sort of put me in this position where there's really nothing anyone can first off people don't have anything on me like the whole me too thing no never i'll tell you right now never sexually harassed anyone in my life never had any kind of extramarital affair period doesn't exist people if you find nude pictures probably me when i was on the road my wife and i like to have a good time no one has any dirt on me there's nothing that anyone can offer me that i'll say they don't need that they don't need that. They don't need that. They come after you for your segments on the air, right? That was when you got funded. We know about this in media as admageddon when YouTube slapped your hand and took away your

ability to make money off of your YouTube show, uh, by D monetizing your show. Basically he said, all right, you can stay on YouTube. You've gotten in trouble. You can stay on YouTube, but you can't have ads to support you to support the show. And that was in response to just so the viewers understand the listeners. You had a fight with this guy, Carlos Maza of Vox, where he said he felt harassed because you had called him some derogatory words for gays. And YouTube at first said, we don't see anything problematic. And then they bowed. But he had been he had been given it to you, had he not? Yeah, well, don't forget Mexican.

They listed Mexican as a pejorative. That was something that was listed actually in articles, and he referred to him as that, quote, gay Mexican. Okay? So keep in mind, no, it wasn't just this guy who you're mentioning, Carlos Maza, he happened to host some Vox

shows, but we've some Vox shows. But we've criticized Vox, right? And again, we're picking a fight with someone far bigger than us, Vox, NBCUniversal. That's one of the biggest media conglomerates in the world. And we would criticize their videos. In some of them, he happened to be the one delivering it. And so there were a series of videos criticizing Vox. A lot of them involved him because it kind of made him their go-to for a while. And a lot of them not. And also, we made the same exact kinds of videos criticizing Vox. A lot of them involved him because it kind of made him their go to for a while and a lot of them not. And also we made the same exact kinds of videos criticizing

Samantha Bee, Trevor Noah, Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel. So it's not like it was unique. And people say, oh, there's some ad hominem. Sure. Sure. Yeah. But it wasn't targeted harassing and bullying. And so even YouTube, what happened there was even YouTube had to say, Susan Wojcicki, the CEO, and this has never happened before said, well, we looked at the content. And the reason why is because when you look at a 15 minute video, and if I happen to in a, you know, toss in an aside where I make fun of the presenter, which is what I do. I mean, I think I've teased you and I've teased myself in this show, but that's not, that's not the context of this show. That's not the entirety of the content of this show. YouTube had to say these videos were clearly transformative, where Stephen was

criticizing the ideas and presenting sources against Vox. And so they said, we didn't violate any policies, but they had to appease a social justice leftist mob. And so they just demonetized us, which was totally unprecedented. And I'll tell you what, when that phone call happened, when they called me, it was some people at YouTube. I've never spoken with Susan Wojcicki, uh, but some people at YouTube called, they were reading this prefab statement and it sounded like they were about to say, and we're removing your channel. And, uh, I, I thought I might be having a heart attack. The room started spinning, um, because I had done, I'd already spoken with YouTube for very long time, by the way, knew that I was well within the bounds, what was considered allowable content on YouTube. I've never tried to run afoul of that. That's never been my goal.

I just want to know what the rules are. And I thought, oh no, they're going to do this because of the mob. And the room started spinning and I started getting a shortness of breath and I had to lay back down on the bed and they said, so this is why we're demonetizing you. Click. And I went, Oh, great. And then I just, then I decided I came here to a meeting with everyone. Everyone was really scared of the studio. And I employ like 15 people here. We have a full scale production studio. And I told them, Hey, listen, is this going to give, put a dent? Sure. But the bulk of our revenue comes from people who join Mug Club. You know, it's our paying subscription service.

After that, it would be sponsors. And then down the list would be YouTube. I said, so listen, I might take a haircut. Fine. You guys are fine. No one is out the job. Here's what we're going to do. And I wrote that 16-minute apology video, which just included every offensive thing

that I've ever said. And we actually wrote new ones. And we released it. It was, I'm sorry for... You added new offensive things to your apology? Yes. I think I said, like, I'm sorry for, and my producer who's a biracialist, I'm sorry for telling Quarter Black that he was not black enough to be black, not white enough to be white.

The pain that you suffer never truly being accepted in either culture is far worse than any embarrassment I could inflict upon you. I'm sorry, Garrett. To Harley Davidson Ryder. And I just went and it was, if you people can find this, it's a 20 minute video of insulting everybody.

And because I didn't go out and I don't hate Carlos Maza. You know what happened? He tried to start a channel after that. And everyone said, you was like, you gotta, you gotta do something. I said, you know what? Hey, the guy went on his own cause he got fired. And I said, I wish him well, you know, the guy's trying. Yeah. You're not against him. I know. Well, it's like, listen, sometimes you cause it. I, the number of things that I have been called by, by various people, if I wanted to have them all canceled, you know, I can't imagine there'd probably be at least 200 people I'd have fired if I had the power. I just don't have any interest

in it. It's not to say I like to be insulted or I like some of the names that have come my way. But I mean, I remember just even with Trump when he was calling me a bimbo and all this other stuff that was coming out of Breitbart that began with C and all this, all those words. And people say, you have to respond, you have to respond. I'm like, I'm not going to respond. I don't want to respond. What other people think of me is none of my business. And I'm not the thought police and I'm not the word police. And I am strong enough to ignore this and move on going on as, as my sister-in-law, Diane, again, my, my spiritual guru, uh, she always asks, is this something I can completely ignore and go on leading my beautiful life? And honestly,

when somebody calling you mean words, I can't think of a situation where the answer to that would be anything other than, yes, I can. Yes, I can ignore that too. And I should. Right. No, you know, I will say there's, there's a little bit of, uh, and, and, and before you jump on me a little bit of female privilege there, and that there's something a little bit different in being a husband. So I'll tell you what, I genuinely don't get offended. Okay. I really don't. I don't care. People can say whatever they want. People have come up to cuss me out. People, I had a transgender autistic person in a Letterman jacket, throw a homeless person's lunchbox at me. And you, there's a lot in there. There's a lot in there. Yeah, that actually happened. That

actually happened. Can you say it again? Transgender, homeless. I believe autistic because they had a fidget spinnery. A transgender, autistic black person in a letterman's jacket steal a homeless person, a hobo's lunchbox and throw it at me. And YouTube demonetized the video because I laughed at this person. I laughed at this person because this person goes, oh, you know what? You don't know what it's like to be a woman. F you. I just became a woman. And I just, I laughed.

Like it's, this is a man with a shaved head and a letterman's jacket and lipstick. And he's throwing a homeless man's lunchbox at me. And my laugh was considered hate speech. Anyway, so in other words, I can endure. Just, I'll, if you want, I think I need to get your email. I'll send you the video after this.

It's called when transgenders attack because I was literally attacked by this transgender person. This transgender person stole a homeless person's like a pencil case, but it had his lunch in it and whipped it at me when I was at a table doing change my mind. And me laughing at this person shuffling off in platform heels was considered mocking his or her immutable characteristics, according to you. Can I tell you something? I think I think most people have a very high threshold for offense. I do. I think the average American is like, I'm fine. And I think this is one of the reasons why the left loses its mind again. By left, I mean established left over there on the far left. I don't mean a normal liberal or progressive. I have lots of friends in that category who don't feel this way, but that's, that's why they get up. They, they, they get so judgmental. The left does when people don't get

offended when Trump says this, or he says that, or, you know, some Republican, it's always a Republican says something that's borderline quote offensive. And most people shrug or they yawn. And then they're like, you two are a bunch of bigots. It's like, I just, you know, what's what my offense is that I wasn't offended enough. All right, I'll work on it. I'm going to get angry. I'm going to get angry. I will work on it. Yeah, no, I think you're right. And that's why I think that the message sort of falls on deaf ears. But to go back to what I was saying about the female privilege, let me explain this a little bit. For people who are so open to all sexual lifestyles, they're very quick to call me a fat, right? Very quick. You just read the YouTube comment section.

I don't think anyone has ever been called in the word, I use this word Jew fag more than myself just because I support Israel and apparently the gay insults. Like, oh, you're quick to weaponize sexuality. And by the way, it doesn't really insult me because I don't have a problem with anyone being gay. So that doesn't bother me at all.

But what did bother me is, and I almost shouldn't say this because people say it gets under your skin, but I have a great wife who told me, listen, just, I understand where you're coming from, but don't worry about me. You know, we haven't had children. You asked me about that earlier. And I noticed that you paused and I said, hopefully soon, God willing. Well, the truth is my wife and I have been trying to have children for a long time. And I can talk about it now because I've talked about this on air, but we found out that my wife had an issue and not like Lana Dunham has every single issue when she claims it. Like my wife

actually had to have surgery for scar tissue. We found out she had endometriosis and she had some issues going on. And then when she came out of a procedure actually recently, she was paralyzed from the waist down because of a reaction to the anesthesia. But what really bothered me, and now we're doing IVF and as Christians, we're doing it in a way where we only fertilize the embryo that will be implanted. So before people send their hate mail, it's something we've looked into quite a bit, but people would spread these, there was a rumor spread that Steven is gay. Look, he's 30. He's married to a beautiful wife and he won't even give her children. And until now where people kind of know,

because we've talked about IVF and I've wanted to, to be, uh, you know, I've wanted to let our audience in on that and educate them. I never talked about it because it was private and I'm not going to throw my wife under the bus and say, Hey, my boys can swim. My wife has, you know, whatever it is, both the pelvis or whatever the medical terminology is. And it really bothered me because my wife reads the comments. And I say that because, you know, it's, a tilted pelvis or whatever the medical terminology is. And it really bothered me because my wife reads the comments. And I say that because I think it's a little bit different as a woman. People insult your husband. You get mad, but you don't want to tear someone's head off in the same way as a protector and

a provider. And it was something that I can't protect her from other than saying, don't read it. And my wife said, you know what? I understand, but don't, don't worry about me because I was like, I, I signed up for this and she didn't. And that is something that has always bothered me. Um, but I've really learned to, uh, to, to get past it because my wife has said it doesn't matter. So it doesn't matter what someone calls me. I get that. They're just doing it to try and get to you. I understand all of that. I think my, I think my husband,

Doug, can relate to your feelings as well. And even George W. Bush, I remember he was saying it's easier for him to be criticized than to hear his dad criticize George H. W. Bush. This is years ago. And I think that's how Doug feels. Doug can take it if you attack him, but he gets upset. He gets upset at the really nasty slings and arrows that come my way. But I would say over time he's gotten used to them. And I'm sure Hillary, she'll feel the same. Can I just applaud you though for one second? Because I appreciate you talking about the infertility issue. I think too many people don't. And then it really, it does make women feel somehow like they've failed when they can't get pregnant. I mean, I, I went through this myself and I've actually never talked about it publicly, but, um, I felt too, like I was a failure because you grow up now. I know you and

your wife waited, um, to, to have sex until you got married, which I think is awesome. But like, you didn't have this worry about getting, getting pregnant prior to wedlock. You know, I, I, I didn't follow that same path. So I always, I was one of those people who was like, Oh my God, the first time I have sex, I'm going to get pregnant. I'm going to get pregnant. I think that's how most women are. Like I'm going to have, I'm like the most fertile person on earth. And then when you get to the place in life where you actually want to have the babies and you have any sort of trouble, which so many women do, especially because a lot of us, not Hillary from the sound of it, but a lot of us wait until we're older, we're advanced maternal

age. For me, I was 38. You find out you can't or you're, or it's a, at least an issue. And you're like, oh my God. And you do. I felt like I was failing. Like my body was failing me. Like I was failing as a woman. And then I would go through a number of things where it wasn't me telling myself I had failed. It was like the feminist crowd. It was like womanista. Like I had three C-sections. Well, apparently that doesn't count. You don't really have a baby if you have it by C-section.

It has to come out vaginally or it doesn't count. Your kid doesn't count. You're not really a mother. I'm like, why the hell is everybody so interested in how my baby's gonna come out of my body? Back off. Same thing with breastfeeding. If you don't breastfeed the kid, you know, exclusively for all the time you give formula, well, you suck as a mother, your child's not as good as mine and you're a bad person. It's like the shaming that we do with people. But I think

the only way forward is to talk more about it. There's no shame in having endometriosis or an issue that makes it difficult for you to get pregnant. And I just feel like hopefully you guys have a good doctor, but I feel like while this period of like trying feels interminable, once you have the baby, it's totally forgotten. It's completely forgotten, you know, and then, and then also completely joyful. Well, I appreciate you. I didn't know that you hadn't spoken about that. Um, we, I brought it up when I asked my wife and after a while, you know, we had a, we had a miscarriage, which I think some people don't understand is devastating to the man as well. When people say my body, my choice, well, that's absolutely true. And I understand that my wife is dealing with something physically, a physical connection

that I never will, but you have to understand that I was naming that child. I was wondering if it was going to have my eyes or my wife's eyes. I was wondering if it was going to be a boy or a girl. You know, these were things like, this is something that affects both people. And that's important. It doesn't mean that I experienced anything that my wife does, but it does mean that we need to acknowledge and experience together and talk about it together so that we can heal from it together. And I will say coming from the Christian perspective, um, I think it's important to tell people, especially, you know, young women, like, listen, you don't have a window forever.

That is true. And you don't even know if you're going to be able to get pregnant. So that is true. And we also shouldn't be asking, telling women like, oh, why don't you have a baby yet? Because there could be a bunch of reasons as to why they don't. And it doesn't mean that they're a screeching feminazi who believe in overpopulation. And so both things can be true at the same time. And that's really the only reason I ever spoke about it and felt compelled

to be authentic. And of course, I had to make sure that my wife was okay with it, just because I think it's something that a lot of people suffer through alone and they don't have to. I know how self-righteous it like celebrities like you are not alone. And that happens anytime some celebrity, you know, ends up committing suicide with depression. And so people come out and all of a sudden everyone has depression. That's why I've talked about depression a lot on my show. And I talk about it when there's no story in the news about depression. They say, I have no reason to bring this up.

I have nothing to gain. There isn't a Heath Ledger situation. But this is something that I've suffered with. And this is something that you can get past. And it's not this idea that, oh, you don't know what it's like. No, I know exactly what it's like. I know exactly what it's like to struggle with depression. And guess what? You can get over it and you can beat it and you shouldn't let it define you. But a lot of these people on the left who say, don't let it define, like they say, don't let it define you. The stutter with Joe Biden, right? He's like,

it is not something that defines you. And then they tried to use it to define him, to make it, to make him completely impermeable to any sort of insult. I was like, well, hold on a second, Joe. You can't use it as a sword and a shield. Right. It's not your stutter. It's the fact that you said you met the Pope

when you didn't. That's not a stutter. It's the fact that you made up stories about people you've never met. At times, they never occurred in places that don't even exist, Joe. So I bring this up because, hey, it's just a small part of me that I've struggled with. I've talked about mental health before and depression. And this is a small and I just try and be open. Do you think that that's related to you being so funny? You know, the old joke about the sad clown.

But I do. I know a fair amount of comedians. And I do think there's a strain of depression in a lot of them. But I think it's it's the flop to a great flip. You know, it's like you get this great ability. I don't know if it's nerves, like you said, you have at the top of your show. But there's something in you that makes you quicker and more clever than the average person. Maybe it's a defense mechanism, you know, from your discomfort. And maybe part of that's driven by depression, or I don't know, just some sort of struggle. I don't know. When I look at you and I look at a lot of the comedians I know who can be sadder, who can be a little bit more sad than the average Joe, I think it's all part of the same thing.

Yeah, I think it is. Listen, I think people who tend to go into the number one fear is public speaking. I think they're wired a little bit differently. So I don't know. I don't have an answer to that. I also know people who are depressed and are wildly unfunny. So obviously the rule isn't for everybody. No, no, no. You're just miserable.

And I don't want to hear from you. Go be depressed by yourself. Okay, we get it. You have a tie that spins. Shut up. So what did you do? How do you manage it? With depression?

Well, listen, being, I will say this, and I've talked about this before, if not for my faith, and, you know, listen, I know I have a potty mouth sometimes.

I'm not an appropriate example of a Christian. If I weren't a Christian, I definitely would probably have killed myself. So, that's something, understanding, when people say like, oh, are you saying that you're only doing this

because God is watching? I'm not saying that's why you do everything, but pretty much, yeah. I think that's a guardrail. I think that as someone who has suffered with depression and a big part of depression is this meaninglessness that people, understanding, no, there is meaning. And having seen a rhyme and a reason to my life and knowing that I can't see what's around the bend and only God does. And listen, there's also medication that enters the equation for me really more so is speaking with a professional. And what I did find was this wonderful woman who's more of an executive psychologist. So someone who

works with like high level athletes, someone who works with, you know, executives of successful companies, because I tell you what, one time I went into a shrink. This is a true story. I went in and I said, what are your big problems? And I said, I'm just really stressed. I'm kind of tired. Why do you think you're so tired?

I said, it's just one of those things. I can't make a mistake because I have millions of people watching me. And there's a security issue in the back of my mind because people want to kill me. And I know that this psychologist thought it was delusional, paranoid delusion. Thanks. Millions of people are watching him. I said, no, no, no, no. I have a show. We have tens of millions of people and I'm actually on the ISIS kill list. Don't, don't put me in a padded room. So sometimes what we do, Megan is, um, and I don't mean that this is certainly not an elitist thing, but just our job is very different. I mean, you know, most people who work a job, they have to perform for their

boss. We have to perform for everybody else. And really the people who would have the most in common with that would probably be bosses themselves because they have to perform to make sure that all their employees are paid and professional athletes who have to perform for big crowds of people. And there's a reason that it's a different kind of, of psychotherapy, um, that helps those kinds of people. So, um, yeah, for me, uh, it's, it's been invaluable and I think it's, it's, it's really helped, uh, improve my quality of life. Um, but yeah, without, without the true North, without, um, you know, my, my, my faith, and when I say that, I mean faith, I'm a Christian, Jesus Christ, that's what it is. I know people are not spiritual,

like people say. I know that I would be a lot worse off. Well, I appreciate that. I can relate to it too. I mean, I've definitely had a rough five years. I don't have to stop losing track. There's been a lot. Things get crazy when you get well-known, that's for sure. And I have been a religious therapy attender for a long time. In fact, we mentioned Stossel's wife, who is a psychiatrist. She's the one who recommended the therapist to me here in New York. It was like 10 years ago.

And I've been seeing the same guy ever since. And it's not like he solves your problems. It was like 10 years ago. And I've been seeing the same guy ever since. And it's not like he solves your problems. It doesn't solve your problems. It just, you just feel better. I've always been an avid journal keeper. And this is a sad truth. I've stopped keeping a journal since I've become well known. I'm just afraid. I'm afraid someone's going to find my journals and use them against me. I just, I, it's sad. It's a real loss for me. I've been keeping them since I was a little girl. So that's what I was Brett Kavanaugh. Who, I mean, who keeps a journal forever? That's what's perfect sense to me. I was like, Oh my God, Brett, he's my brother from another mother. I do the same. I could also produce my diaries from the time I was 15. Um, but the therapist kind of replaces that, you know, like now I can,

I can just talk to him. And it's the one relationship you have in your life or like you just get to do all the talking. It can be all about yourself and the other person needs nothing from you. They're only there to say, well, I guess I I also have that relationship with I also have that relationship with you, Abby. But so I have I have those two. Well, my therapist is a little different. She does talk back and that's what I like about her. She's very practical. Like I went to other therapists who, okay, how do you feel? Tell me about your mother. Being an executive psychologist,

she goes right away. She goes, okay, how much are you sleeping? Like, ah, at that point, maybe like, you know, four hours. Okay. We need to fix that. She goes, okay, how much time are you taking for rest? And she would say, she goes, listen, what I do is very different. Most people who go to psychologists, they need to get off their ass and do something. And that's most people. So the people who come in here, they need to be coached on how to pull it back a little bit. They need to be coached on balancing their life a little bit. They need to be coached on relaxing a little bit more. And that's kind of what she specializes in. And if she thinks, and if I'm being lazy, don't get me wrong, she'll kick my ass, but she will actually lay out a plan and go, okay, here's what I want you to do. For example, what would happen before the show,

I would be doing so many things and I'd be, you know, signing, signing contracts or what I would have to do, sign, sign merchandise. And then I would have to get off a phone call and I'd sit down, boom, do the show. She said, here's what you're going to do. You are going to take 10 minutes before the show. And you're going to go alone in your office and put on noise canceling headphones and you're going to breathe. And then when you leave, you're going to take five minutes after the show, just five minutes after an hour, after two hour show, you're just going to be by yourself. Cause what would happen is I walk out the door and people are going, Hey, we have this request and Hey, we need to get, we need to get to this shoot. Hey, we need it. We're

bringing the sand in for the saving private Ryan parody. Hey, we need a permit to go to change mine. Hey, here's your bulletproof vest when we're doing this. You know what I mean? But it happens while I'm walking out of the studio. And I will say, I have a great team of people here now who actually care about my wellbeing. That hasn't always been the case. And, um, you know, we have a big, uh, a big, uh, mural of Andrew Breitbart, who was really kind of my mentor on the conservative side. I'll tell you what I watched toward the end of his life. I watched people who were beholden to him for their paycheck and they should have told him to slow down. Everyone knew it. And instead they wanted more and more and more because they wanted to be a part of the Andrew Breitbart show. And I was, he was the first person to RSVP at my wedding. I never worked for andrew He never paid me a dime

But he had some health scares and I remember looking at people who worked for him going like why aren't you telling him that? He needs to take some time. Why aren't you giving it? Why aren't you telling him that he needs to slow down? Why aren't you telling him that he needs to focus on his health because the people who work for you listen You're their meal ticket And they don't do that. Guess what? I actually do have, that's why I really, people say it's like a family. I have people here who do that now while I work. They go, Hey, go home. We have some stuff we can work on without you. Uh, you've been doing this for 15 hours or whatever. And, and so, um, I really have to just say it's yeah, my, my psychologist

is very helpful. I have a fantastic wife, wife my faith and i cannot stress the importance enough and how grateful i am for the the team of people that i that i have around me because that has been a big difference maker when i was in fox news the darkest time of my life was i was at fox news and i'm a i have a little bit of a compulsive personality some people become self-destructive but i'm like let me replace it with something productive so i was in new york city fox news they made me move to self-destructive, but I'm like, let me replace it with something productive. So I was in New York City, Fox News. They made me move to New York. And I'm like, let's say I appear five times a week, but what else do you do? And I wrote an article for the Fox. That was basically what I did. And they had me on a retainer, so I couldn't, exclusivity. So I started doing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu nine times a week, in addition to lifting two or

three times. So basically two a days, which even professional athlete, it was very stupid. I turned my joints into a fine powder, but I had nothing to do. I had, I was like, I got to do something. I'm sitting alone in an apartment and I have no friends. Then what happened was I blew my back out at a 24 hour fitness. You know how gyms in New York, they don't have air exchangers. They get so humid. And what happened as I was just doing a row. My foot went on this grip pad and my foot slipped off and you could actually hear a, and I fell back. And when they tried to bend me up, um, I actually, people talk, because it's New York. And I'm sorry, but I hate the city of New York. I had to get out of there with my hair on fire. I know a lot of good qualities, but they couldn't even get me into an elevator or down the stairs in a stretcher. So they had to put a stretcher kind of across one of those like care chairs and have me sit on an angle.

In the ambulance, they cut off my pants from my ankle all the way up. Guy sticks his thumb up my ass like you had fingers like sausages because they're checking to see if your sphincter works, right? To see if your back is basically completely ruptured. And I couldn't walk. I couldn't walk. I had completely herniated,

ruptured a disc and I was staring at the ceiling for about eight hours naked. And I didn't have anyone who could, uh, who, or who was willing to come and help at all. I had one friend from the lower East side who came and he helped me back because I couldn't walk back. And, uh, then I had one person who was an intern at Hannity show who I really liked. And, uh, I remember calling my, my girlfriend who is now my wife at the time saying like, Hey, just so you know, she's going to have to help me like disrobe and put my pants on. And that was the moment of realization for me. That was when I said, okay, I'm not, I'm not

really, I don't think I'm gonna renew what I'm doing here. I'm in a city that I hate. I have no friends. It's very clear. These people like, sure. They want to go to Langan's and have a couple of drinks, but they're not going to stare to the ceiling for eight hours, unable to move my legs and and had to make some some decisions, some some some real changes. But think about that when I when I hear you talking about that and about how, you know, it was like jumping off a cliff because you're young. You don't know where your next job is coming from. There's not a lot of outlets for a conservative in media and certainly not in late night comedy, a lane that you might have otherwise pursued. So you're there, you're twisting in the wind, you're actually hurting, you're physically hurting, maybe emotionally hurting too. And I do think it's one of those stories that gives people hope,

like look at you now. I mean, you're really, you're king of YouTube. I mean, of course, there's always something to keep you humble. You know, like I, I did that Tara Reid interview that you was so kindly promoted on your show. And I was like, Oh, this is so great. It's got like 1.7 million hits. It's awesome. And then I look at my kids and they, they follow somebody who jumps into like little baby pools, fill of fold of like plastic balls. And those people have a hundred million views. So there's always something to keep your ego in check, but you're killing it. Right. And it landed, it landed in a great place for you and your family. You're with, you're with a wife that you love. You sounds like you do have friends and good support. Now I can relate to all of that. Sometimes taking that leap off the cliff

while damn scary on, on the first step and during the fall lands you in a much softer, better place. Where some guy at Lenox Hill jams his thumb up your ass. The guy didn't even ask. He didn't even warn me. And I was like, what the hell is going on? And here's actually, this is the true part of that story too. Do you realize it was a $10,000 bill. I didn't have any health insurance.

I was a Fox News contributor. So you know how that works. Didn't have any health insurance at this point. I was stupid. One of those kids who chose not to buy health insurance. Nothing will happen. But they tried to send me home. They go, okay, you're fine.

Your back's fine. Go home. I go, I can't walk. They go, get up. And they start moving the hospital bed. You know, I'm prone. They start lifting it. And I start screaming.

They go, okay, okay. I go, I'm going to go over here. All right, we'll come back. So they come back on the hour, every hour, and lift it up one more notch. And I scream every single time because I can't move my back. My friend had to wheel me home. I get a call three days later. It's the chairman of the board at Lenox Hill Hospital. Either they misread the MRI or they read the wrong MRI. And I had serious stenosis and I had ruptured a disc. And here's what happened. It was like a $10,000 something bill. I'm like,

oh, you don't have insurance? It's cash? Hold on. Oh, it's like 40 bucks. I was like, okay. What? Yeah, it was like, or it might have been 300.

Wait, they just wrote it off? Well, because they realized I didn't have insurance and they're like, hey, can you pay a couple hundred dollars? And I said, sure. Oh my God, that's unbelievable. That's what happens

to all those people who don't know that because they overcharge. I mean, really, what happened? I had an MRI. I had a picture taken. And they cut off my clothes. And a guy jammed his thumb up my ass.

And I looked at the ceiling for eight hours. Well, meanwhile, you could have gotten that done in Times Square for like $500. You didn't have to pay $10,000. Believe me, I could have. And I hung out with Jim Norton quite a bit. So he knew all the hot spots. I don't think I've ever had a show where we've talked about thumb up the ass

as much as we... I think it's not a thing I've discussed except for some woman I used to know. Well, OK, that's her problem. This is a medical procedure. And this is because they are testing to make sure that your spinal cord has not actually been severed. You know what? You know what, Megan? You go and sit up there and you're nice.

You're nice. Never having had a doctor's thumb up your ass tower. And I hope I hope that it's never assumes facts, not in evidence, Mr. Male privilege. Try to go for an annual as a woman every year. Everything's everything's where it's supposed to be. You know exactly what the drill is. And then suddenly you're like, whoa, whoa, how you doing? Yeah, well, I get that same thing every year once I hit 40. And my dad's doctor used a kaleidoscope, which almost seems impractical. So. All right. Listen, I do want to I know I have to let you go because you've been so generous with your time.

But can I just ask you because I I'm dying to just ask you. All right. Good, because I have to ask you about big tech. You're like the number one person I want to ask about big tech. When I saw the thing about Hunter Biden and Facebook and YouTube not not allowing the story to go out. When I see Twitter's not YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. When I see Twitter's little warnings all over people's tweets like, are you sure you want to tweet that? Are you sure you want to retweet this? Don't you want to read the article before you like, screw you, Jack? What are you? You're not my daddy.

Like, move along, brother. And it's it's maddening to me as somebody who believes in the First Amendment and doesn't want Twitter making my editorial decisions. And you, of course, are, you know, the poster child for this after everything that happened at YouTube. Obviously, you came back a year later. They allowed the monetization to come back and you've landed more than on your feet. You've got millions and millions of fans and viewers. But what do you think? Because I think people are really worried about this, given the amount of power they have. And I don't know that government is the solution, but it seems like we need a solution.

Actually, it's interesting the way that you described it. Are you sure you want to tweet this? You make Jack Dorsey sound like the modern equivalent of that bent back paperclip who's like, I'm trying to spell rhinovirus. Did you mean rhinoceros? No, Clippy, get off my Word document. That's what he is.

He's the new paperclip. You know what? I think that everything you've said is fair. And I will tell you this, Donald Trump has changed my views on some things. I used to be far more libertarian. And now I understand that there are some things where you do need the government to step in because there are powers that be that are more powerful, especially now, that can infringe upon your rights in a more invasive way. Like I said, you know, big tech, they're more powerful when you combine them than really in many ways, the American government.

Here's my position on it. And I've always maintained this and same thing with YouTube. And I think that's why I'm in a different position than a lot of people who, well, first off, I get litigious when I know I'm right. And it's not just, oh, you're censoring. It's aim, ready, fire. I measure twice and I cut once and I make sure that I'm in the right. So that's the first thing that I have done. That's what my experience, I think, has been a little bit different. A lot of other people don't have half a million dollars

that they just put into their budget for having lawyers and retainer. I saw it from the very get-go. I said, I'm gonna have to keep receipts for everything. And a lot of people were careless. As it relates to big tech, listen, the 230 protections, this is something

we've been talking about for a long time. YouTube can make their rules and they can ban anyone they want. But when they say, hey, we are an open forum for all ideas and no, no, no, we are not censoring conservatives and we want you to be here. And especially when they take money from conservatives to advertise in their platform, which by the way, they've done with me directly. Now we've entered into a business relationship. It's a little bit different. What I think is the first step. And I've been saying this for years and it seems like we might be closer to it now, though I don't really know what comes from these hearings. And dear God, I just pray no one ever subpoenas me or summons me

because it's not like I have some information exclusively that nobody else out there would. So Crenshaw, Cruz, if you're listening, please, dear God, don't subpoena me. I think the first step is making them declare, okay, are you a publisher or are you a platform? Because if you're a publisher, if you have the ability to censor points of view, for example, if you want to make it your policy that it's hate speech for someone to speak out against eight-year-olds on puberty blockers, then, okay, you are now a publisher and you lose your protections of being an open platform and you are liable. In other words, you can't, for people out there listening who don't understand, like Sprint or Verizon, these are public utilities. So it's kind of the most apt comparison.

They can't censor people. In other words, even if a bunch of neo-Nazis are just talking on the phone, or let's just say neo-Nazis because maybe their phones could be tapped and they could be actual terrorists. But let's just say some racists, or let's just say like Ilhan Omar's on the phone talking about how much he hates Jews. Okay, Verizon cannot, they can't just cut off her service. They can't do that because this is effectively, it's an open platform. They have these same protections, their utility, but the New York times can say, we're not going to publish your piece. They're a publisher. So with YouTube and with Twitter and Facebook, they've been treated like the town square, like open platforms, which, you know, is, is that, but that protection

has to be predicated on this idea that barring actual crimes being committed, they do not touch the comments, the content. Everyone has an open and level playing field to express their point of view. And we obviously know that that's not the case. We know that that's not what is going on right now, despite what Jack Dorsey tells us with his bird feeder and his beard. And so I just, I want them to have to declare it. I think they should be held to one standard or the other. Yeah, which they don't want to do. Just the audience. They don't want to do that because it exposes them to liability. The Section 230 prevents them from having liability if somebody

says something defamatory on their platform because they're not a publisher. They can't control, you know, they can't help what Ilhan Omar says on the phone line, to use your analogy. And honestly, to go with that, it would be the same as Sprint listening to two racists having a conversation and then suddenly one's words get cut off and the rest of the sentence can no longer be heard by the other guy because someone at Sprint has deemed your words offensive and not allowed to be on their platform. Everyone knows that would be absurd. That would never happen. But that's kind of what is happening. You're right. I use Ilhan Omar as an exact example. People don't realize she's an anti-Semite. She's very

clear. She hates Israel. Let's put it that way. Rashida Tlaib is a little bit worse. Now, when asked about Hezbollah, there was something in some kind of interview. I did a joke about Ilhan Omar where she said, huh? Hezbollah? I said, who is she? She's talking like Rafiki? Hezbollah? It was like a Disney character. And that was, oh, maybe borderline because I'm doing an impression of Ilhan Omar. What about the fact that she, what about the fact that she was saying she doesn't like, she basically doesn't like Jews. So in other words, if you're, if YouTube is going to allow Ilhan Omar to go up there and say that Israel doesn't have the right to exist, but then they decide that even with the

search algorithms, if you search Steven Crowder, Ilhan Omar, it doesn't show up. They are now effectively acting like a publisher. This happened on YouTube. And your stuff about the gender is dead on too. We just talked to Abigail Schreier not long ago, and we were looking into this before the interview. They really will censor you if you put anything out there that challenges these notions that are being pushed that maybe we should pause a bit before we allow our minor children under the age of 18 to just run off campus and go get themselves some testosterone without telling their parents. Stuff like that is being censored and stopped from circulation. Even stuff about Abigail's book.

Oh, and what about the billboard? Right. We saw that it's beyond tech now. Some parents bought a billboard using GoFundMe money to call attention. They said puberty is not a medical condition. In other words, you don't need to treat it. When your kid goes through puberty, you don't need to stop it with hormone blockers. And it did pretty well.

So then they got a GoFundMe to sort of get some other billboards up. And GoFundMe said, no, you can't. So it's like it keeps spreading where only the speech that they like can be protected. Everybody else gets censored. They actually removed a video of mine. So this was at a town hall in Burlington, Vermont, a town hall, mind you. So it's in a single party consent state and it's at a public town hall. And the worst part about this that it got banned is the guy who was giving this advice. It was basically advice on how to get your sex reassignment surgery paid for under like

Medicare. But this doctor who was telling us, he was telling me, my producer on camera, how to administer puberty blockers to our children and how to actually get it partially subsidized. His name was, I swear to you, Dr. Rex Butts. Dr. Rex Butts. Just because of that, I'm furious that the video was removed, but it was removed even though it was recorded at a public town hall because it was a violation of policy, right? That was removed. We were at a town hall and they were telling us how to get your sex reassignment surgery paid for by Medicaid, Medicare, and how to, and they were saying in this video, yeah, you put your kid on puberty blockers, you put them on the hormones. And then if they decide that they, uh, they want to, uh, be the, they decide they want to be the gender that they were identified with.

Then you just take them off. They're no worse off. Like, no, no, no, no, no. Actually, 90% of kids, actually 99% of kids who think they have gender dysphoria, they grow out of it. That number drops to zero

when you give them hormones. What happened to science? We follow the science. Oh, really? You follow the science on the homemade mask that you're fondling, by the way. Joe Biden fondling it like it's the next eight-year-old at a rally. You're constantly touching it. What's the science that tells me that mask, not a surgical mask, not a mask that's washed in a commercial hospital, ultra hot washing machine, and then replaced and sanitized after every use? Name me one scientific study that shows that it works. But I tell you what, I can show you scientific studies that show pumping men full of estrogen causes cancer. That's why, why do you think people are, why do you think people are eating organic?

For some reason, people, right, xenoestrogens, they have a problem and they'll pontificate on how they only drink from nalgene or glass because of BPA in the plastic and it mimics estrogen in the body. When directed, when injected directly into an eight-year-old's ass cheek, however, they say, well, we don't know the science yet. Yeah, we do. We do know that altering the hormones of a child going through puberty has irreparable results. We just don't know how damaging it is.

And everyone in big tech has agreed that what I've just said is a violation of their policy. Yeah, it has to be censored. That's what Abigail's going through. The name of her book is Irreversible Damage for a reason. I find it really scary that this is not being allowed to be circulated and discussed because, I mean, we're sort of talking facetiously in one moment about, you know, two racists on the phone. But by the way, there is First Amendment protection for that in the United States of America. But this is the other end of the extreme of the spectrum where people are talking about, wait, I have real objections to what you're saying because I think it's

genuinely harmful to children. And those discussions are being silenced by these big tech bosses or even the publishing industry because they've decided it's wrong. And that's an example where the scientists are working in tandem with those folks, because they have submitted to the woke mob to the scientists know that it's not okay to just affirm a child who the first time is saying, I think I might be a member of the other sex. That's not okay. You've got to probe, you've got to figure out whether that's real, or that's coming from some other need for attention or a passing phase. And they have submitted.

They're on the knee saying, OK, I don't be called a transphobe. I don't want to get pushback from my colleagues in academia or otherwise. So affirm, affirm, affirm, affirm and and damned the consequences. Yeah, absolutely. And then Southern Poverty Law Center is this close to putting Johns Hopkins on a hate group watch because they won't perform the surgery. By the way, they did. They did perform a lot of transitions for a while and they realized that the results weren't any better. There's a lot of great people on their hate group watch list. They put Ben Carson on there for a while. Oh, then Ben Carson. Oh my, well,

he didn't. His mom was saved by the belt buckle. That was one of those things when he talked about trying to stab his mom. I had to do a double take. I really could have gone down a different path when I tried to stab my mother and was stabbed by her belt buckle. Like, holy shit. What did he just say? Did that man just say that he tried to stab his single mother in Detroit and it was stabbed by a belt

buckle? This is the most insane thing I've ever heard. He's the only guy who has a penthouse more gaudy than Trump, or at least his house in Florida. Have you ever seen it? No. How have you seen it? Well, it went for sale.

And it's like a gold-plated bathtub surrounded by marble and little naked baby angels. And you're sitting there like, this is clearly a guy who came from an inner-city single mother in Detroit And he now he's a pimp like he decided to go all in. And I love it about him. There are so many surprises. Dr. Ben, can I tell you something? I freaking love him. We did a we did a long profile on him when he announced for president back when I was on Fox. And that that that poem that he said his mother made them read. she kept it up, I think, in their house. She couldn't read, but she made them read it and she knew it.

It was by Mamie White Miller. And I actually just pulled it up. It's called Yourself to Blame. And it explains everything that made Ben Carson, with the really tough background he had, going on to become the most respected pediatric neurosurgeon in the world. How he did it, this mindset and this mindset. I love it. I want every kid to read it. I want my kids to read it every day. I want your kids to read it every day. I want everyone's kids to read it every day. So since we have some time, I'm going to read it. It's very short. It's yourself

to blame. If things go bad for you and make you a bit ashamed, often you will find out that you have yourself to blame. Swiftly, we ran to mischief, and then the bad luck came. Why do we fault others? We have ourselves to blame. Whatever happens to us, here is what we say. Had it not been for so-and-so, things wouldn't have gone that way. And if you are short of friends, I'll tell you what to do. Make an examination.

You'll find the faults in you. You're the captain of your ship, so agree with the same. If you travel downward, you have yourself to blame. Love. Love. Love. P.S. Make sure

your mother wears a large belt buckle. Because it kind of... She said his mother stepped in the belt buckle. You hear like World War II stories, like a ricochet from a bullet, you know, off of like some piece of like a clasp. His mom was saved by a belt buckle. That's what people try to say, right?

They did with Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell. So, oh, they're not black when they were black Republicans. Like, no, no, no, no. Listen, Ben Carson was raised in inner city Detroit to a single to say, right? They did with Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell. So, oh, they're not black when they were black Republicans. Like, no, no, no, no. Listen, Ben Carson was raised in inner city Detroit to a single black mom. OK, this guy was not playing for the B team by your standards of black. This guy clearly had the black American experience and they still use the same thing. Oh, God. Did you see that thing the other night?

The other it was it was election night, I think. Yeah. Joy Reid. Once again, God, she says the most bigoted things. I'm sorry, but she does. She's out there talking about whether we can trust the Supreme Court to decide a legal challenge to the election results the right way. And she says to Rachel Maddow, would you would you trust Uncle Clarence to decide this legitimately? holy shit, right? Like Uncle Clarence, it's so racist, but she can get away with it because she's not even black, she's liberal. So they'll allow her to get away with it. You know what?

I bet you if Clarence Thomas, if he could, and if we had a fair press, he could be like, oh, better to trust Uncle Clarence than that crazy bitch, Joy Reid. And that's what he should say. I love Clarence. When I actually looked, that's what turned Andrew Breitbart conservative. And I tell everyone here in this office, um, about, uh,

Andrew Breitbart said, I don't know if you know this. He said he tuned into the Clarence Thomas, uh, uh, hearings to watch this guy get his comeuppance. And he left saying, oh my gosh, they're going to crucify this man. It's a modern day lynching. There are still people out there who think that what Anita Hill said, checked out. And here's something that's important. What we do know, uh, obviously the thing that obviously the thing that sort of people were, I guess, they were appalled by was, you know, the eyelash and the cocaine. He said, who put their pubic hair in my diet? Cocaine. When I heard that, I'm like, oh, I want to party with Clarence Thomas.

That's funny. That's a guy who made a joke. Who does that offend? How is that sexual harassment when you see a short curly hair and someone's pubes hair? They're like, good, good. Okay. That sounds, seems like a guy would be fun at a party. It wasn't Anita Hill's word against Clarence Thomas. It was Anita Hill's word against every single other woman, including women of color who worked for Clarence Thomas. And of course the log books and the evidence and the statements from Anita Hill's friends, which didn't check out.

So that's one of those things that they still, though, now the Democrats, they still just act like Clarence Thomas is guilty. They talk that way. Oh, well, you know what he's guilty of. You know what he's guilty of. They're not mad about that. They're mad about him being a black conservative. I mean, that is the ultimate betrayal. That's why people like Candace Owens get it worse than anybody.

You know, Larry Elder, because that's the one thing you're not allowed to do is be black and a conservative because they considered a complete betrayal and you get called the worst things. By the way, if you have not seen Larry Elder's Uncle Tom, get it. It's on YouTube right now. You can download it for the low, low price of, I think, $17. No, I'm not getting a piece of this. I just loved it and thought it was really profound. It's like white people like to feel sorry for themselves for being called racist all the time, which if you're a Republican, undoubtedly you have. Try being a black conservative. It's like you've got no team, right? Like there's no nobody to back you on these really dicey race discussions. That's changing. And I refuse to watch that film

ever since Larry Elder shaved his mustache. I won't support any of his content. I feel the same about David Axelrod. I have to say I miss David Axelrod's mustache. Well, that's more out of disgust because you're like, that's what's under that thing. With Larry Elder, it was just it was a very like it's hard to grow a mustache as good as he had. David Axelrod needs a mustache or there is no lip. It's just a crease. Can I just take one little diversion with you for a second?

Because I got to ask you while we're talking about news personalities, especially over at CNN, like Axelrod, forgive me, it's complete non sequitur, but what did you think of the Jeffrey Toobin thing? Okay, so here's the thing. When the Jeffrey Toobin story came out, it was like, oh, there was an accident that happened and someone saw his webcam. And I thought, they don't fire a guy for that. I have done hits hits on news on sky news and BBC where I wasn't, I was wearing underwear, but it wasn't wearing pants because underneath, you know, my desk. So I thought, well, that's not a big deal. Till I found out the guy was actually masturbating while live on a zoom call. And then slate or salon, the two run together, said, well, let's be, let's be honest. He's not,

Jeffrey Tubin is not the only person who masturbates during business calls. We all do it. He just got caught. I'm like, no, no. As a matter of fact, I think it's probably just you. Just you and Jeffrey Toobin. I do not masturbate on business conference calls.

So yeah, that's what I thought. It was amazing though. And CNN, Brian Stelter tweeted that out. He tweeted out, you can see our full coverage of this story of Jeffrey Toobin. And I clicked the link and it goes to CNN and it said that Jeffrey Toobin is taking a temporary leave of absence due to personal reasons. And so I said to Brian Stelter, I said, well, I appreciate that you said our full coverage because you're letting us know that CNN's full coverage is not full coverage because that's not. Here's the thing I thought was the wackiest about that is in his apology.

This is what he said. I believed I was not visible on Zoom. I thought no one on the Zoom call could see me. I thought I had muted the Zoom video. So he knew he was still in the middle of the Zoom call. He didn't even think it was off. He thought he had hit mute. The recklessness. This must be a guy who is doing this all day, every day. Which also means that he hasn't owned a remote control since 1992 because he doesn't know what mute means. I muted myself. You just thought they couldn't see it. So what did you think the sound was on and not the video? You thought that they just it sounded like you were playing with silly putty. Like, what did you think you think and meanwhile they were in the middle at the new yorker of like their election rehearsals and he was playing like the guy if they had to

go to the courts you know what's happening illegal proceedings and something about that was a turn on that he felt he had to whip it out and start pleasuring himself like are you kidding me what's there's something wrong with him right i know like and this is like i have a lot of forgive a lot of grace if jeffrey tubin, for example, just happened to be caught, like someone filming, this is a perfect example. I had a friend in high school. And this isn't a story that I'm necessarily proud of.

But in Quebec, pornography is on television. So there was something called Blurnerie. And it was like between softcore and hardcore pornography, but it was well known on Quebec television, which ironically government funded, that at 10.30 on Friday night, Blurnerie came on. And so it was kind of something all the boys talked about. Well, I had a friend, I won't name him, but there was this other kid.

It was a compulsive liar. They lived next door to each other. And, uh, I'll just call the kid D and I remember, uh, C was the other friend. He said, Hey guys, I caught D. I saw him in his basement. I could see him through his basement window, masturbating to Blurred New for like an hour and a half. What a loser, right? And I said, hey, hey, Calvin, I said, hey, Calvin, even if it's embarrassing, what Dustin was doing is natural. You watching him for an hour and a half is not. You're the creep here. It's the same thing with someone who's just like, if someone is videotaping someone and they don't know it and they're walking around naked, if Jeffrey Toobin, if someone hacked into his computer, I would say, no, absolutely.

You don't fire the guy. No, the guy was doing a mock election scenario. He thought he muted it and he was going to town on himself like it was his job. I mean, that's like I've been in election rehearsals. All that does is kill your sex drive. That doesn't fire it up in any way, shape or form. And for the guy to just try to hit mute before he whipped it out and pleasured himself tells me there's something wrong with him because of course, I mean, all the women out there

know there isn't a woman alive who would, who would do anything like that. But I don't, I don't even want to say that because there isn't a man alive there really, there are 99% of men would never do such a thing. So there's something wrong with Jeffrey Toobin. That's my final word on it. Something wrong with him. I think every every man would do it just as long as if they thought mute button worked. But my point is, no, no. Well, I think I like listening to you on the issue of sex talk, not to sound too weird, because I think, you know, given the way you you will tackle anything and you're so open and, you know, you just, you know, holds barred. This is one department in which you are more conservative. You are a man of faith and you, I'd say you're more old school in this department. I love that you and your wife waited till marriage. And I'm sure weirdly you've gotten a lot of shit for that. Like people,

they've actually given you a hard time. Oh yeah. Yeah. Amy Schumer really, uh, laid into me when I was on red eye about that a long time ago. And then, uh, you know, things, times change. Um, yeah. You know, the reason I always talked about that too, and listen, the, the article, was it a little bit snippy? Sure. That I wrote it at Fox news. It was one of their most popular articles, I guess that year. And it was just about not having sex until you're married. And the reason I wrote about it is listen, okay. In the realm of actors, I'm like a two, like I'm not a great looking guy in the realm of standup comedians. I do like, I do. Okay. Like I'm good looking enough that I could have sex if I really tried. And my wife could have sex with anyone on the planet just by saying, yes, she's beautiful.

So often when Christians go out and say like, we waited, it's like, yeah, I mean, you kind of, this is the hand you were dealt. And so I wanted to be very clear and not saying like, we waited now. It was easy because we wore purity wings. No, it was one of the most difficult things that I've ever done in my life. I probably walked around with an erection for three years. We had to raise the furniture. It was very, very difficult. And I felt strong conviction. It

was felt strong convictions. That's what it is. And I want people out there to make who make that decision to not feel like there's anything abnormal about it. Because anytime that happens in a show, right, they show up, someone who's saying, Oh, I'm saving myself for marriage. They're secretly like the cheerleader slot, you know, secretly, or there's some kind of a like crazy Christian serial killer. No, no, this is how we did things at one point in this country. And there's a lot of, there are a lot of statistics to say, to support that it's the better way to go about sex. And I could just make one argument. Uh, don't be, don't have sex before you're married. Don't get sick and die because there are STIs out there, there are STDs and you avoid that.

But there are also issues where people were seeing now they get hung up with it. And you know, there's a connection that they, they create with people when you're, when you're training yourself to break up by having sex with everyone you're in a relationship with. I listen from a faith perspective. I know what my God tells me that that's not what we're supposed to be doing. And then we now know from a psychological perspective that it can have some negative effects, particularly on teenagers who've been told to just go and have free sex and more so for young women, really more for young women told you're liberated, go and have sex as much as you want. You know what? I've told my wife this, and she got pretty pissed at me when we first got married. She said, are you saying that if you could have sex with that woman, you would you would i said are you talking about if i'm not a christian

we're not married and we have no moral compass she goes yeah if all that's gone i said yes absolutely she goes and and you wouldn't and then you wouldn't think about it and i said nope i could literally have sex with anyone on this it was like the bachelor thing watching said on the show if i were not a christian i could have sex with any one of them i would have no emotional connection and i could go have lunch tomorrow that's why uh men can cheat and it's wrong we have to we have to curb our own innate sexual desires but that's not the same thing i'm not saying all women there are obviously exceptions but generally speaking women often feel an intimacy. men and women, but I agree with you that, that it's a stronger situation for men. I think they default to it more often than the women do. And then I think a lot of young women mistake physical affection for love. They think it's a connection that's beyond physical. And, uh, and they're

looking for that. They're looking for a connection beyond physical, but the physical is a, what they think it's an easy price to pay, to feel loved, to feel adored, to feel, I don't know, like you matter. And, um, I struggle with that. I'll tell you as a, as a mom of, I've got three kids, two boys and a girl, and I want, I would love it if they'd wait till marriage, but if they don't want to do that, no problem. No problem either. As I said, I did not. Um, but I, I don't want them to, to feel any shame around sex, you know, like as a Catholic, I'm trying not to, cause most of the Catholic church will communicate shame, um, try not to communicate shame. I want them like not to put too fine a point on it, but like, I'd love for them to wait until it's responsible and they're in love and they're old enough to handle all of the stuff that comes with it. Um, but then to be

able to go to town without any shame whatsoever. And like, that is, that is a like tough needle to thread. You know what? The fact that you've fact that my parents gave me the sex talk when I was three. I got in trouble in preschool because Miss Henderson was giving the whole stork business. And the thing was, her daughter was in my class. And so she had to keep the lie alive. And I was like, that's not where babies come from. Let me break it down for you in medical terminology. And that's because my parents never wanted me to think of it shamefully.

But they wanted to present it in the context of marriage. And it's funny, when I wrote this article, Amy Schumer was on, we were on Red Eye. And she said, well, you know, you're writing this, but you actually don't know you're only in your 20s. Maybe when you're in your 30s, you're gonna be in some really freaky shit. I said, yeah, and I'll be my wife will be right there with me. Great. Yeah, I'm very open about it. And sometimes that's one thing where sometimes Christians get upset. They think that I'm a little bit too blunt. No. If you have any questions about sex, I'm totally fine answering them. People just understand that when I talk about sex, it's in the context of marriage. The marriage bed is undefiled.

Now, my issue, not my issue, but but what i would say my worry is when you say like you know if they're in love when you're talking about your daughters it's really easy for a guy to fake that to lie to a girl and so they know the only way to not fake it's like hey we actually is is to be married there's like it's an actual contract that's what i remember amy schumer saying like well what you're just saying like what because of what because like marriage is some kind of a contract and i said that's actually that's literally what it is but but can i say something in this let me say let me speak to this because i i can say you know i my approach to it was always not like he must love me it was like you don't deserve me i'm gonna be very sparing with this gift because you don't deserve

it most of you don't deserve it and i so like like, that's how I always saw it. Like no one's getting there unless they're amazing. And like, it's going to take a while for me to figure out whether they're amazing and worth it. Remember, like the Seinfeld episode, is he sponge worthy? You know, you got to be sponge worthy. And I think if you have that attitude as opposed to like, I don't know, he's got to love me. That's not really how I looked at it. It was just like he he has to be worthy. And that kept my numbers relatively low, a fact of which I am proud and

disease free. And it's nice because honestly, now like my husband doesn't have to walk around meeting like 55,000 former friends and colleagues thinking you've been there too. And you as well. Okay, great. You know, like I just very relieved he doesn't have to live like that right well you know what and some people give you flags and like oh look megan kelly thinks she's so special to are you worth it and you know what listen first off you're an attractive i think you know you you know that you're prettier that prettier than the average gal everyone listening knows it so shut up trying to don't act as though megan kelly isn't most likely prettier than you listening of course she is i readily admit it by many leagues with myself, but not all

women should feel that way. Are you, do you really deserve it? Because you know what guys give it out anyway. It's like giving out those free t-shirts at a business conference that are printed on an old Hanes or Gildan and you throw in the trash anyway. You want a t-shirt and not really take a t-shirt. It's also why when you're talking about girls who feel this emotional intimacy, you know, um, there's a double standard and I'm okay. And I'm not okay with, with statutory rape at all of these female teachers and young men at all. Let me be really clear, but there's a double standard and I understand it, right? I understand why there's a double standard because a male person in a position of authority, let's say a girl is, I don't know, 14 years old, but he abuses that authority. And often the girl will have sex with them.

And they believe that there's some kind of an emotional connection. And then they'll actually, the man will use it to manipulate a young girl, typically speaking, to do what it is that he wants because she feels like they have a connection. You don't really see that. That's what's interesting in a lot of these cases with like a teacher having sex with a young boy. Horrible, abhorrent. I want to make sure that I'm being very clear about that.

But it's not like this home ec teacher has sex with a young boy, horrible, abhorrent. I want to make sure that I'm being very clear about that. But it's not like this, uh, this home ec teacher has sex with a 14 year old and then the 14 year old does whatever he wants. She doesn't have the emotional manipulative control over him unless he really wants to have sex like right then. Cause if the teacher's like, Hey, I don't remember I had sex. He's like, yeah, that was great. Bye. It's different. I don't know if I agree with that. I don't know if I agree with that. I think that the grownup does have the emotional manipulative control, no matter the genders. They do, but I'm talking to put it this way, same way even in relationships with people who are of equal age,

boys just they'll just have sex and it doesn't mean anything is my point. Yeah. Anytime you have, well, I think more often than not, that can be true, but there are boys who are emotionally needy. They want a connection. It's actually kind of sweet. One of the things I love to see in young love is how boys who are like on their own and they're tough guys and they're like whatever.

And then they meet a girl and they fall in love with her and then they become super needy and they want to hold her all the time. And then you see them asleep together on the couch or on a hammock or on the beach. And it's like, oh, I love that sort of evolution of young love. But can I ask you, cause since you did wait and you managed to do that and you are a good looking guy, so I'm

sure you had opportunity. Well, how do you do that? Like, how do I teach my sons to do that? Ooh, uh, it's, it's really, it's tough. Um, I think the biggest thing is just avoiding those situations. So when I was in the road doing stand-up, and like I said, when you're on the road doing stand-up and you're like Hasbrook Heights, New Jersey at the Hotel Bananas or wherever it is, it is like people don't like hearing this, but when you're on stage and you're in a position of power and you're in a room of a few hundred people

and a few hundred people are looking at you, it makes it a lot easier if you are trying to find a suitor. But I never had any women up to my hotel room. Um, you know, I followed the Mike Pence rule, uh, even with, even over there at Fox news, there were only three people who I ever went to, uh, meals with, um, by myself. And, uh, two of them were substantially older. And another one was actually was well-known that she had worked with someone there and she was, she was engaged. So, um, you just have to avoid those situations in the first place. And then when you're in a

relationship, you have to be in a relationship with someone else who is also on the same page. Cause I'll tell you what, I had moments of weakness and so did my wife. So there were some times where I was just like, come on. And then, you know, uh, my wife was like, no. And afterwards I was like, well, okay, good. I'm glad that we didn't do it. And by the way, let me be really clear about this too. I was just talking with Brian Callen. When I say we didn't have, my wife and I did not have sex. We did not have sex. So people think I'm being blunt. I mean, no BJs. There was no oral sex definition of is. There was some heavy petting, okay? There's some heavy petting over, that's it. But I- I bet there were some tubins.

There were some tubins, but I didn't do it with her on the zoom. That was when I did it alone in the dark and then felt ashamed of myself afterward, not for sex, just because, you know, it's myself. There is a little, little something there. Oh gosh, I couldn't even just, I'm an animal. But yeah, no, that's, I would say avoid those situations and have a good support group. And then, and then can, can I ask, cause I know you wrote about it, have a good support group and avoid the situations.

But when I know you wrote like when you finally got to the wedding night, it was like, oh, like you knew what to do. And it wasn't like fumbling. And it was all like you guys figured it out. Was it as great as you thought it was going to be? I'm actually more interested in her than you because I'm sure it was great for you. Well, listen, everyone knows for a woman, obviously the first time is difficult. Here's the thing, I don't want to speak for her because it would be wrong, but I will say this. It doesn't have to be perfect the first time, just like you don't have to be perfect when you get married. That's the reason you marry the woman of your youth, because you learn together. You get better together. And what I will say,

and I don't think a lot of couples can say is, uh, you know, barring, like obviously when my wife went through surgery with endometriosis, like there are things, there's a dry, there's a dry spell there. Barring these unforeseen incidents or extreme circumstances, our sex life today is better than it was yesterday. And most marriages don't get to say that. So that's something that's pretty cool. We both learned what we, and also as Christians, it's esteem your spouse first. So that's pretty cool as a guy. Cause basically barring some kind of thing that is actually like seriously demeaning or causes physical harm. If I'm like, Hey, sweetheart, I want to try this. She's like, well, if that makes you happy. And same thing, if my wife says, this is what I would like, I go, well, listen, if that's what makes you happy,

Amy Schumer said, we'd be into some freaky stuff in my 30s confirmed Megan and I love it can I tell you I just I will say that esteem your spouse first works I mean that's if I had one piece of marital advice for anybody um well it's it's keep the fights clean and the sex dirty but after that it's use your most generous lens and looking at your spouse like interpret everything they do with the most generous lens because that keeps kindness coming from you and then coming back to you. And it affects everything in your marriage in a very positive way, including sex. Like if you, if your partner wants to take risks with you and you're kind of pissed off at him and you don't, you know, you're just irritated by him. You don't want, you don't want to do that. And you don't want to please him. And you're kind of just as a woman, you're like, screw you. You know, like I,

I'm not into it, but if you and he have this generous lens on, you to do that and you don't want to please him. And you're kind of just as a woman, you're like, screw you. You know, like I'm not into it. But if you and he have this generous lens on, you love each other and you connected emotionally several times during the day, everything works out a lot better for both parties. No, you're absolutely right. And the other advice that I would give to people is, you know, work on yourself instead of trying to fix your partner. And that, by the way, that also applies to that applies both to your marriage and to

sex. Cut your nails for God's sake. Just work on yourself before you try and tell them what they need to do. And also never floss your teeth in front of your partner ever. There are certain things you should not do in front of a person who you want to have sex with. You just there's no reason for them to see you doing that. No, no reason. Close the door when you go on the potty, like just do certain things that like if I sometimes I just say like I do not want to have that image in my head of the person I have sex with. I just never want to have it in there.

So I think you can protect yourself with some barriers. No, no, no, no. We're gonna have to unpack this. There's a difference between taking a dump in front of your spouse without the door closed and practicing proper dental hygiene. No, no, there isn't. How do you how do you like want to have sex with somebody who just had like food flying out of his mouth from the floss going in between the choppers? It's disgusting. And it makes a terrible sound like pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. I can't even like I don't like cutting of the toenails. I used to have an office mate. I'm not going to name who it was. It was a man in my professional life. My husband doesn't do this, but he used to take off his shoe and sock in the office and cut his nails, his toenails in front of me. There are certain things. I don't know if I speak for all women, but I can say, I don't want to see my partner do. And like, you're your man. So you're always trying to increase your odds of your wife saying yes. And why wouldn't you do these little

things just to increase the odds? Well, I don't know why you're that the way you're describing it, that you sounds like you're practicing flossing like a contact sport. So maybe that's another problem. It is. How do you not contact while you're having floss? You've got to really get in there and your teeth are really smushed together. They make weird noises and there's food in there. I mean, like the whole goal is to get something that's stuck in there,

out of there. And I don't want to see that. Maybe it's a me thing. I just do it because otherwise my dentist gets mad at going, you're not been flossing. It's like, well, sorry, I didn't mean to ruin your whole month. So go back to jamming sharp metal knives in my mouth. So that's the only reason I do it is because I don't want to be admonished by my dentist. Man, they know too. They, they, they have got an x-ray to your soul. As soon as you go in there, you're like, have you, have you been flossing? Yes, definitely. And they know the truth. Next thing you see that evil water pick cleaner, which is

like something from the devil. Have you ever had that one? Oh yeah. The water pick and like, ah, what do you want this thing? We put it in your mouth. Do you want a bubble gum flavored or cinnamon? Like, oh, do you mean a hobo's sphincter or trash bag? I guess I'll go with trash bag. I think we're getting a little loose with the definition calling this bubble gum or cinnamon. If I actually engage my gag reflex, you screwed up the bubble gum flavor. I'm going to have to leave it at hobo sphincter. Megan, thank you so much for having me on the show. I really do appreciate it. And, you know, I think this I think this form works really well for you. I think I think you're sometimes limited by when you were on television. You're actually a good conversationalist. You're a good conversationalist who actually takes an interest in people. And I don't think you're even if you do take an interest in people, you can't take that much of an interest in people when, you know, we talk about Fox News or those kinds of those kinds of scenarios. It's like, don't get too attached because you don't really get to dig deep. Yeah, no, that's true. It's been a it's been such a joy of this new format to be able to actually have real conversations and not be constantly getting wrapped in your ear. Wrap, wrap. And Canadian Debbie, she when she really wanted me to stop talking she would give me the red rap red rap like okay but there's no more red rap and I am I am loving it and I have to say

I want to tell the viewers that we sat down three hours ago and I told Stephen it's going to be an hour and here we are pulling a Joe Rogan three hours later but you're such a interesting guy I love your I just love your free will and nature there's nothing you won't talk about you're very honest and good god are you funny you're't talk about. You're very honest. And good God, are you funny. You're so funny. I'm going to start watching the show more regularly and not just when I'm on it. Well, thank you.

I appreciate it. And I think this is going to be – I'm going to be really interested to watch your journey as you do this completely in the way that you want to do it with no other voices because that's the Megyn Kelly that I want to see. All my thanks to Stephen Crowder for that. I do not remember when I have laughed that hard in an interview. The impressions of Justin Trudeau and Ben Carson's mother had me in tears. I hope you enjoyed it too.

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