The Megyn Kelly Show - Taylor Swift's "Big Fat Disney Wedding," Prince Harry's UK Plot, and Nancy Guthrie Ransom Note Debate, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1352

Episode Date: July 2, 2026

Megyn Kelly is joined by Maureen Callahan, host of "The Nerve," to talk about Taylor Swift's upcoming wedding to Travis Kelce at Madison Square Garden, why building a castle inside the arena is a "child's version" of a wedding, how "emotionally stunted" Swift appears to be, why Travis Kelce and his family actually love fame, the malignant narcissism of Taylor Swift,Blake Lively asking for $8 million in attorneys fees from Justin Baldoni, her attempt to spin the story and make herself the victim again, Lively's questionable history,very old people like Barry Manilow and Smokey Robinson still trying to perform, Madonna's sad and disturbing vibe, Michelle Obama's attempt to make herself the "co-leader" with Barack, her bizarre dress featuring her deceased mother,the massive controversy over whether authorities believe the Nancy Guthrie ransom notes are legitimate, news that Savannah may step away from the Today show, Prince Harry claiming his life is in danger as he prepares a UK trip, the true story of royal security, what Harry and Meghan really hope to accomplish with this visit, and more.   Subscribe to Maureen's show The Nerve: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-nerve-with-maureen-callahan/id1808684702 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4kR07GQGQAJaMNtLc9Cg2o YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenerveshow?sub_confirmation=1 Substack: https://thenerveshow.com/     Supersure Insurance: Upgrade your business insurance to a year-round SuperAgency at https://Supersure.com/Megyn Herald Group: Learn more at https://GuardYourCard.com The Wellness Company: Don’t let a sudden illness derail your summer—secure your peace of mind and save $45 on a Medical Emergency Kit today by visiting https://UrgentCareKit.com/MK and using promo code MK. Birch Gold: Text MK to 989898 and get a free America 250 silver round with qualifying purchase     Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan and Kelly show. We are headed into an epic holiday weekend. I hope you've got big plans to celebrate the 250th. We'll give you our full rundown on Monday after we have our biggest party yet. You know, me in the 4th of July. I love it even on a non-250th year.

But this year, we're going big, and I hope you are too. there's a festive environment right now throughout the whole country with the U.S. winning its first knockout match in the World Cup last night advancing to the final 16 teams. And as America is about to celebrate, it's 250th. That was a nice little gift that our soccer players gave us. Plus, a big wedding appears to be in the works in New York City this weekend. I mean, I'm still wondering if it's a head fake. I've got to be honest. You may have heard about it. We're going to get into all the details. They say it's the wedding of the century. I think. Lauren Sanchez Bezos would beg to differ. But who better to discuss it all with then?

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We have such a goodness to go through today. We have to start with Taylor. Oh, yeah. So reportedly, she's getting married to Travis Kelsey this weekend at Madison Square Garden. As one does. As one does. And that they're outside right now, like fabricating the castle that they are reportedly building for inside MSG where she's going to walk down the aisle.

Look at this. There's video of workers. He's throwing a hammer down. He's mad because somebody tells him that it's supposed to be purple, that what they're building, the castle is supposed to be purple. Can we show that? Okay, here he is. Look, I love this guy.

Somebody tells him it's not supposed to be a red carpet. It's supposed to be a purple carpet, reportedly. You could see him. He speaks for us all. National hero. Right? He's like, what am I doing here? You feel yourself, so please.

Where are the Knicks? What happened to testosterone and really, you know, legit events at the garden? First of all, I love it because it's, it's like removing the red carpet and replacing it with a lilac carpet is kind of gay adjacent. Right? Gay adjacent. It's like lavender. It's like we're saying it's a lavender marriage. I'm not saying it is.

But like, and I'm, so. Some might say. Some might say. Now, I've been, I used to. I. of the belief that this was an enormous distraction technique, like a SIA. Me too, me too. Like a CIA level, Sia. Yes. Everybody look over here and then we're going to go, because you know what I've been thinking about during this whole thing is JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bissette.

Yep. Snuck off, got married on a remote island. Nobody knew till it was over. South Carolina. Cumberland Island off the coast of Georgia. Okay. Yeah. All right. These two, when this divorce happens, this spectacular divorce happens. We're already going to the place that hurts. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear we request our privacy at this time. We are building a Disney castle.

She's building a fucking Disney castle inside. In MSG. I've seen the photos. They're wheeling in like monster ballustrades of like like an enormous staircase and there's a baby grand coming in. And I think, you know, it's funny. I was thinking I'm having friends out for the holiday weekend and I was shopping for my goddaughter and I was like, what is this, are these items, are these toys I want to get her?

Are they too young for her? She's seven. This is like a seven-year-old's idea of what a grand wedding is. It's Taylor's big, fat Disney wedding. Yes. It's like at first I really did not believe that she and he would get married at Madison Square Garden. It's so on the nose in terms of like attention getting. and just so goche.

And then I remembered, what does she do? Like, she shows up in the player's box for every single one of his games and make sure she's front and center and seen on camera the whole time. You know, you could attend that his games without being front and center the whole game. But she makes sure she's at the center of that box. She shows up at the Knicks games. She doesn't even like the Knicks. She was rooting against them a couple weeks earlier when she was next to Travis Kelsey at one of the events. And she makes sure she's courtside and she's going crazy for the miracle at MSG as though she's some lifelong Knicks fan, which she isn't.

You know, she's got a little Megan Markle in her where notwithstanding the fact that we all know who she is, she's got to make sure she's reminding us all. She's relevant. She's everywhere. Admire me. Look at me. So yeah, it actually does kind of track. I was thinking about Megan Markle with this because the new reports are and I can't believe it didn't occur to me organically. She's filming this. Okay, it'll be a Netflix special. Oh, of course. Taylor's big, fat Disney wedding.

Of course. And what do you think, like, Travis is thinking right now? Because this guy is a bruiser, okay? Yeah. And as Bill from Brooklyn often reminds me, it's so easy to forget. He's a future Hall of Famer. Like, he's a really great football player. Yeah.

Which has all been lost in this, like, I think, like, we talk about it as Taylor's wedding. He's just the guy she's marrying. He's just a handbag. It reminded me of the David Beckham. Victoria Beckham Union because you know did you watch that documentary he he's the bigger star he always has been the bigger star even though she's you know the spice girls were huge right and Victoria Beckham I don't even remember her name name but she was one of the most popular spice girls and of course has made it on her own as an independent fashion designer who's actually

very talented I love her stuff but she's kind of an asterisk to David Beckham it's the Beckham's. And it's like when these two stars get married, necessarily one of them's going to be bigger than the other. And it actually can cause tension. And clearly in this union, she is, her fame dwarfs is. It's so interesting. If you think about like, I'm trying to think about celebrities where they got together and the sum was greater than the parts. I would say like Brad and Angie when they got together. Yeah. Liz and Dick. Even you could say J-Lo and Ben Affleck as a sort of more like fast food nation version of that. Back in the day, Joanne Woodward and Paul Newman.

Yes. Yes. And that's kind of lost now because we've all seen behind the curtain and we know the Todry stuff that sort of goes into this stuff. Yeah. And to me, this feels more like a brand merger. And for Travis Kelsey, who historically has dated black women, just saying. Has he? Oh, yeah.

That's his type. That's his type. Okay. Oh, oh, you know what I want to tell you? So this is a new thing. This is a new development. The origin story has shifted. You know, the origin story of how they got together was Travis was just hoping for a shot with Taylor.

And he went to one of her shows and he got backstage and he tried to meet her and he couldn't meet her. So he left a friendship bracelet with his phone number on it. Oh, we're back to the lavender theme again. Right. Sorry, but who does that? This is who does that. A guy, Travis, who recently said, that was a joke. It was like, it was a gag.

Like, would she go for it? Like I was just like, she did. And she did. And she did. And she got, she got the high school football star. She's like she's, she's so, I find it fascinating how just how emotionally arrested she is. Stunted, I was just going to say, as all child stars are, you know, tend to be. She started very, very early.

She was like a hit songwriter at age 14, I think it was. So she lost all those years becoming a star, same as Justin Bieber. Yeah. And a lot. There's a long, long list of child. child star. Look what happened to poor Amanda Bines. Oh, God, yeah. It does not engender wellness. No. Becoming a big star at a young age. And I'm sure she is arrested. I'm sure like when you see her behave, whether it's, you know, courtside at the Knicks, et cetera, she doesn't telegraph to me,

like mature, together, powerful woman, even though she is. She is a powerful woman. She telegraphs teenager, teeny bopper, insecure, unsure of herself person. And I do, what I like about this, though, I like that she's marrying a guy who looks like a real man. You know, there's no man bun. Like he's, she's making him a little weird with the fashion. I have to say, he's made some weird fashion choices since he got together with her. Not unlike what happened with Tom Brady when he got together with Giselle.

But I like that she chose like a more traditional man. I like the facial hair and the big muscles and, you know, the football player. there's a report in your publication, the Daily Mail today, that she's going to go with his last name. On the electric bill. Not at the stadiums. Taylor Kelsey. I know. I would think she's going to be either Taylor Swift Kelsey or Taylor.

I don't know. She's really going to give up Taylor Swift on her concert sales. You can't. Yeah, I'd be surprised. And you never know. Like, what happens if they get a divorce? Like, didn't Courtney Cox or Katt have to go back to Courtney Cox after that whole thing? Didn't she have to go down the DMV or whatever you?

You do it's a lot to untangle that. It is. It is. I used to be Megan Kendall. Oh. When I first started to Fox. How did you? And so like how did.

Well, Dan and I got a divorce. But untangling that? Yeah, I had to go down DMV and submit the proof of my divorce. Oh my God. And then say I want to go back to Kelly. And can I tell you, Brigh Hume tried to convince me not to do it? Really? Yes.

He was like, he loved the name Kendall. He preferred it to Kelly. I think he thought Kelly was like ethnic. And Kendall was more generic. I was like, Brit, it's my name. It's like having a non-regional accent for like a television personality, be like anodyne and non. Yes. That's, I love, I think Megan Kelly's a much stronger name.

Thank you. He gave me the hard sell to keep Kendall. I'm like, I really don't. I love Megan Kelly as like a name. I like Kelly. I don't love the name Megan. I got to be honest. There's a lot going on in the back of the throat.

If I had it to do over again, you know, if I get to pick my name, I would have something easier to say. Megan Kelly, it's not easy. Megan Kelly, it's hard. You got to really hit it in order for it to come out easily. You know, I've never really loved my name either. Really? Yeah. I love your name. Do you really? Yes, it flows beautifully. I love all the syllables. Really? I, you know, my mom was thinking of naming me Kate, which I think that's a strong name. I like you have a one syllable and then a three syllable last name. It's like a better rhythm. Kate Callahan. But my father said I would have sounded like an Irish washer woman and he vetoed it. So aren't all of our people. Irish washer women. Yeah, like pretty much.

It's funny because one of the stories we're going to talk about today is this woman in the Hamptons whose husband took his own life and, you know, their their posh lifestyle as she posited it on her social media, but was it really? And they were writing about how like, well, he came from like a Nouveau-Rich family and she had a nice background and I was laughing. Like, there are people who deal in this. Like, they don't want their kid to get married to somebody who doesn't have the right pedigree. I know some people. like this. I can't like, I am so not into that. I just feel like, I suppose we're a Nouveau-Riche, right? Is that new-a-Rish means you made it in your lifetime as opposed to like- You don't have generational

well. Yeah. You're new to having a little bit of money and you don't know the codes necessarily. Okay, that applies. That's, I'm guilty of all of that. But like, I can't imagine actually wanting like my child to marry somebody in the social register. Like it was, like, it's important to me that they have the right breeding. They have like, their boat name in the social register and then they're an acceptable candidate to marry my child i just feel like what a waste of your life to worry about that shit it's so wild the only reason i can think of it you know is one thing uh knowing that they're not after money right like so that that's i think that was the megann markle thing are they but are i don't know like can you like true if you've had

it like look what happened in the titanic when she she was pulling that course to tighten the beginning and She was saying it rose, all we have left is this good name. True. To land the multimillionaire. So, you know, just because your social register type doesn't mean you're not in it for the money. Jackie Bouvier. Yes. Poor.

That's right. Yeah. Had the breeding, but was poor. She had the name. She had the breeding. She had that face. Yeah. Beautiful.

Those wide, set eyes. Yeah. The sun looked just like her. Yes. Yeah. So that was the other thing, too, with Carolyn Besat. Right. They said that JFK Jr.

Would never have been able to marry her if Jackie had been alive. Why? Because she, she didn't come from their world. She grew up well to do. Her stepfather was an is an orthopedic surgeon. They were raised in Greenwich, went to good schools, but she wasn't from old money and she didn't know the codes. There are codes.

I mean, one of them is a monthly trust disbursement that someone in the family is responsible for reviewing. Bell Burden. Yes. Poor Bell. Oh, we're not done with her over at the nerve. We're not done. We haven't had a chance to talk about that.

That's right. We were on that book before anybody. That's so right. And now we're seeing, did you see the Wall Street Journal did a piece? Recently? No, what did they write? Oh, this is so weird. Her story's not holding up. In a lot of flowery sort of framing, you know. I think the audience knows, but just in case you don't, Bell Burden wrote this book. It's a bestseller. It's on the bestseller list still called Strangers. And it's about her divorce from her husband, who came home. And at one night during COVID announced he was leaving her. Well, it was after his affair partner's husband called Bell Burden to say our partners are having an affair. The first night the husband said, I'm going to stay with you in the next morning.

He tapped her on the shoulder in bed and said, I'm leaving. I thought I was happy, but I'm not. And her whole book is about basically what a bastard he is and how he abandoned her financially and she had to worry about losing their house. And we knew from the book she was privileged, but we find out now, clearly thanks to the husband, that she had $63 million in trusts. She was never on the knocking on the door of the poor house. She is descended from standard oil money.

She has many, many famous ancestors, I believe, including like founding fathers. The nerve got a hot tip from someone on the inside. So we're going in again. But my favorite part of the book, my favorite part of the book is when she describes her horror at the country club one day. Yeah. And a fellow member, a female, comes up to her and says, listen, sister, this is how it's done in our world. She should have known because she knows the codes. When a couple divorces, only one gets custody of the country club.

And it's not going to be you. Okay. It's going to be your husband. He's got the connections. And the money and the intelligence and all of this. And they want him, not her. And she can't believe it because she says, but he did me wrong. It shouldn't be.

Right. It doesn't matter. No one cares. Every day. Nobody cares. No, and you'll be kicked out of that club just. as soon as you were, as quickly as you were welcomed in when you're no longer connected to him. Although she had all the pedigree and he had none. He was Nouveau-Riche. That's right.

Right? He made his money in the hedge fund business. But he married her thanks to all of her connections in that same world. She didn't have a lot of, well, she had money and trust, but like she wasn't openly rich. And she could introduce him to all the right people. But wait, back on the Travis Kelsey Taylor Swift marriage, I agree with you. Unfortunately, I don't think it will last. I just think there are too many complicating factors. Why won't other people say this out loud? I know they're trying to be polite. I mean, we're not really polite.

I think there's a lot of money to be made off this wedding, like all the tabloids and all the entertainment shows and there's a lot of money to be made. So let's pretend that it's going to be forever. I mean, she's, how old is she? She's a middle-aged woman. Yeah. 35, 36. She's closing in on 40.

And she's never had a successful relationship. Like every single relationship has ended in some sort of a disaster that's turned into a song in which she berates the guy for mistreating her. It's like a series of failures where she's bitter. I don't know what his history is, but I, my own feeling is she's too big a star and he's used to being King B. Like, I know that they've been dating for a while, but as a married husband and wife, his career is going to end. I don't know if it's already. Did he already retire? No, I think he's doing one more season. Okay, so it's going to end very soon. And what happens to these professional athletes when they retire from a job like that. We're at the apex of

the NFL, which is just you're like a god when you're in it at all, never mind as popular and successful as he was. And unless you can do a Tom Brady and parlay that into a $400 million contract with Fox News to do announcing, which from what I hear, he will not be able to do that. What's your next gig? Because you need something else, especially when you're going to be married to this international superstar, arguably the most. famous woman in the world. And I think it's going to be very hard for him. That's very tough to ask a man of his accomplishments to do to like settle into permanent second fiddle. It's, it can be emasculating to the wrong guy. So I have a, I have a different theory of the case. So when they began dating,

maybe six months in, he was a cover story in like the Wall Street Journal magazine. And this is very interesting because it was, it was openly discussing. Oh, I just lost my thing. It was openly discussing how Taylor had elevated Travis and how now he had a world of opportunity that had not been afforded to him before as simply an NFL player who was not known to, like, if I know who he is, like he's now super fucking famous. That's true. We know his name, which we didn't. I never heard of him before, Taylor. Yeah. So he was, he's making movies.

He's got all these brand deals. He is making movies? He had like a cameo in a big movie recently. Okay. Didn't go well, but nonetheless, he got it. He's got this podcast with his brother. Now it's spun up. Like, I know who his brother is.

Jason Kelsey. I know who Jason's wife is. Yes. She has a number one podcast. Mama Kelsey, I know who she is. And she just did UK celebrity traitors. Okay. Like, these people are infesting the culture.

And it's because of Taylor. It's another reason I loathe her. I just want her to go away. I hate that she's hijacking the 4th of July weekend. Yeah. I hate it. It's the 250th anniversary of this country. She's not hijacking my 4th of July weekend.

No, I can't wait to see the photos from this. Oh, my God. I can't wait to see the photos. We've got, like, costumes galore. So what we're doing is, first we're having a parade of Patriots where it's like a runway show we're going to put on with historical figures of America. You know, we're going to start with Christopher Columbus. We have Abe Lincoln represented.

We have JFK and Jackie, Marilyn. We got the Wright brothers. We got a bunch of like surprise guests. So quote unquote. Incredible. You know, I'm very well connected, Maureen. I got them all. My booking on this has been amazing.

Interesting. Not everybody's getting Abe Lincoln. Okay. You're raising the dad. So we're going to do that. Okay. And then we're going to do our traditional 1776 costumes and declaration reading. And then we're going to have the marching band bigger than ever.

And that's my favorite part of every 4th of July. It's so amazing to watch that band come down the street and hear the drums as they come, you know, and just know this is happening. And everyone's going to get to enjoy this amazing patriotic music and celebrate the fourth and independent state together, loving America, celebrating our country, which is like something revolutionary in today's day and age. True. So many haters out there say we suck. I love it. It's like a big middle finger to those people, which is not why I do it. But that's a secondary benefit.

Do you have to pull permits for this thing? Yeah, we do. Yes. Actually, we do. But it's so worth it. I love it. It's like, I look forward to this holiday almost as much as Christmas. It's just... I love the 4th of July, too. So fun. I love it. Because it's got, it's nothing else than celebration. It's just nothing else. And it's just a reminder that like, if you're lucky enough to be born in this country, you're born on third. You're born on third. Yes. Celebrate it. Yeah. Even though, you know, you see the numbers on the patriotism dwindling, especially on the left, that a majority do not feel patriotic on the left. And the left. They're not, they don't think this is the greatest country. It's like, don't you travel more. Okay? Get out there more. Holy, you're not kidding. So I just came back from London where, you know, I love London, but it was a heat wave in Europe. Heat wave in Europe. And all the newspapers, all the news coverage is everybody you talk to. How do we handle the heat? How do we handle? And I'm like, just be like America. Get fucking air condition. Yeah. I got a great idea. You know, it's like, It's so culturally weird there.

Like you'll order a bottle of water and they'll say, you don't want ice with that. You don't. It's enough. I do. I want it. I want the ice. I want a big jumbo. I'm American.

Give me a big jumbo fucking cup of ice with that. That's the same when you order like it's over there. It's all Coke zero. They don't do the Diet Coke. And they ask if you want ice with your Coke zero. Who would take a Coke Zero without ice? Kind of heathens. I know.

What are we barbarians? Obviously we want the ice. Please like it goes without saying if you can. see that I'm American, you know I want it. Well, anyway, so you think that as a result, it's going to last or he's not going to, he'll be happy in the marriage because he's getting, her fame has lifted him and he's benefiting so much from it. Yeah, I think for now, everything's great.

Kelsey Inc. is running on all cylinders. Everybody's getting rich and famous and we're loving it. And I think eventually, listen, I think Taylor Swift is a malignant narcissist. Yeah. Only a malignant narcissist mounts her wedding at MSG. Yeah. Tracks. MSG. Now we're getting the reports of all the celebrities who are arriving in New York today. I guess reportedly the rehearsal dinner is tonight and the weddings tomorrow, right?

It's not on the fourth. The wedding's tomorrow. Tomorrow night, I think. Right. Yeah. And I know there's like do a leapa and I don't know a bunch of people from across the pond. I don't know. Is there any chance we're being head fake, Maureen? and like all of this is bullshit and they're going to be heading off to like some island like JFK Jr. The only thing I can think that might be a head fake is I think they might already be legally married, secretly legally married.

And then this is just like scratching her enormous showbizich. Like, listen, whatever chasm exists within her will never be filled. Yeah. That's true. It will like, what kind of hole do you have inside of you? where you need to stage your wedding at Madison Square Garden. It's like laughable. It's truly laughable.

It's true. Maybe that's why she was at the Knicks game. She was doing research for her wedding. Yeah, I think that the floral, like the floral arrangements came. I can't wait to see the inside of this thing. I can't. I can't either. I mean, like a lavender castle.

I mean, I suppose this really is a dream for a lot of women. This is the last thing I would want for my own nuptials. The last thing. Though we did get married at a castle. You did? Yeah, we got married at O'Hika Castle out along, Huntington Long Island, which is spectacular. But it was very classy.

We had to get married outside of a church because I didn't have my marriage annulled. It's an ongoing thing. And it was spectacular. We got married in this ballroom that has fireplaces at both ends. It was March 1st. We had all a cherry blossoms that had just started. But it was snowing outside, Maureen. It was so beautiful.

And we kept a small as like 125, around 130 people. And it was the most romantic day of my life by far. Oh, that's wonderful. Spectacular. But it was, with that number of people, it was truly friends. We didn't go for like a thousand or two thousand or MSG. It's like we kept it intimate to people who actually we were connected to and who were connected to us. Right.

Unlike, you know, Megan Markle, like, you know, inviting Oprah and George Clooney and celebrity she had never before met. Or Lauren Sanchez. It's like, what is Sidney Sweeney doing there? It was some Amazon deal, remember? Oh, right. And Bezos owns Amazon, of course. It was like, she's not a friend. Why is she?

And Tom Brady, yeah, okay, he's not a friend either. These are lies. These people just want to feel connected to celebrity. Exactly. And it's such a, to me, it's such a, like, desecration of what that day and that moment should really be about. Like, yes. So, um, I'm, I'm, I'm, I appreciate the spectacle. I appreciate the comedy.

And, um, I'm very much looking, like, what does she do after this? What's the come down? Do you know what I mean? Like that, like that, baby. baby Kelsey's going to be the biggest news to hit the press in what 15 years does taylor quote unquote ruin her body by carrying her own child she will she's from the south she's like she's a traditional gal at heart i think she's from tennessee she's from a christmas farm originally pennsylvania oh yeah that girl does not get the surrogate to carry her baby really i don't think so and then taylor's not known for

her incredible body you know it's not like a megan fox situation where it's like you think of her, that other one, Erina, who's constantly now talking about her sex, I don't know, but like, I think she'll have her own baby. Interesting. I think so. Like, everyone should have their own baby. It's so crazy that that's become a vanity trend. Have your own

damn baby. Like, what are you saying? You're going to farm out that? Well, some women actually can't. Yeah. You know, you get, I get it. But I don't know. I think of someone, like, her who's so vain. She's so vain. Like, what drives me nuts is seeing her at all these

games. And she, again, she's like a teenage girl with like, she'll wear the letterman's jacket, but it's like off the shoulder. Because we have to be like sexy and kiss. Like her, like her pal Blake. I was just going to say who's not on the list. Right. There had been some confusion. Like we weren't sure. There was one report that she might have gotten the invite. She might have eeked it out. But no. It looks like the answer is no. She wasn't invited. And what a humiliation because Blake and psycho-arsonist Ryan live in downtown New York City in Rebecca. And they also have a place just north of there. They do. Around Chappaqua or some place up there. But it's kind of like it's like your ex best friend is having. Oh yeah. In your backyard.

In your literal backyard. And you're not invited. Oh yeah. And it's very high school. Shame. It's very mean girls. It's very like I love it. I love how like. And the other thing that this wedding is doing for Taylor is we're not discussing anymore her active role in trying to destroy Justin Baldoni, which I will never forget. Taylor's, yes, exactly. Yes. I know, she was a participant in all of that. She was an active participant.

She's a mean, mean piece of work. And Blake, it just comes out today, yesterday, is still working on destroying him. She had to actually submit her demand. What specifically is the demand for legal fees that you are technically entitled to under this California law that the court is using? And she says she wants him to pay eight million. on her legal fees just to defeat his defamation claim against her. So she sued him. She smeared him.

She made up all these lies about him. He filed a counterclaim for defamation saying these are defamatory lies. She managed to get it dismissed on the papers. And thanks to this California law, that it's weird, but whatever, it protects alleged sexual assault and harassment victims. she's entitled to her fees and she's claiming just to get his counterclaim dismissed

cost her $8 million in legal fees that is so outrageous that no one's if she actually spent that she's insane she's not entitled to you can get your reasonable fees

paid to you but to the end she's punitive she's punishing I guarantee you Justin Baldoni doesn't have $8 million. You know who does

Blake lively and Ryan Reynolds you can put probably another two zeros after that eight when you look at their fortune thanks to him. I really don't. I don't understand what she's doing here. I don't. I don't understand why she's dragging this narrative out.

Does this help her? Does this going to make people like her more? No. And what's fascinating is she and Ryan are in such a weird bubble. Like they're all over Instagram posing these like happy. Yes, I've noticed. And they're going to do it this weekend too. Like they're going to be happier than ever that they weren't invited to the wedding

of the century. You know, they're going to be having the time of their life. lives, you know, and it's such bullshit, and we all know it. We know who these people are. Yeah. You know, they're awful, awful, miserable, rage-filled human beings. I mean, talk about, like, again, having a chasm that nothing will fill. No amount of fame, no amount of money, no amount of success. They, you know, they have four children. You would think they would just be happy with their lot in life. And they're not. She had to be a Me Too victim. She had to join the Me Too movement and stand up at the time 100 and talk about her mother's alleged sexual

will assault as though it were her own. She needed sort of that glory, the valor of Me Too, rubbing off on her from her mom's alleged problems because hers were not convincing anybody. And now, with her reputation in tatters, she's Amber herded herself. She thinks it's what? She's going to be able to spin it as a victory if he has to pay $8 million. She's going to say, everybody knows that's not in settlement. No jury awarded that.

It's basically just because this one claim of his. got thrown out. Ten of her 13 claims got thrown out. There's just no fees shifting provision for the laws that she was filing those under. But she lost 10 of her 13. He lost one of one. And now she's going to try to spin it as like some huge victory that she's eeked some number of millions. She wants eight out of this guy whose movie she stole and ruined. And she's gone on. You know, she's still going to be married to Ryan Reynolds, one of the biggest movie stars on Earth. Justin Baldoni, he really didn't have that huge and acting career even before this. And I'm sure is wondering what his next step is.

Brian Friedman came on our show and said he's not sure insurance is going to cover this for Justin. Wow. Yeah. You're right, though. That's what she's trying to do. She's trying to eke out some kind of win so she can spin this to whatever friendly media outlets will listen to her and say, you know, I was legitimate. I was done wrong. Yeah.

He did harass me. He had to pay me $8 million without mentioning it. Actually, that had nothing to do with sexual harassment. Exactly. Exactly. It's disgusting. But I think, you know, I think they're operating on the old ways of doing things. And everybody who's in the digital lane and we pays attention.

We all know what's really going on here. It's no accident that Blake Lively has not booked another acting role. What director is ever going to work with her? What director is going to think she's not going to turn around and do the same thing to me? and try to destroy me with her disgusting husband, just my opinion right behind her. You know, he's out there, like, trying to shovel his new rexom series.

Like, it's another iteration of wrexom whatever. Right. Did you? No, you and I talked about this, and I said, sounds like rectum. Ha, ha, ha. Oh, yeah, I said you've filthy. Filty minds.

It does. Who named their business that? That's a bad name. Yeah, it's funny. It's funny. Because, you know, the other person who has decided that, this is a winning team to be aligned with is Hugh Jackman. That what, who, Ryan and Blake?

Yes. What? Yes. So he was on the, uh, at the Met ball. Remember she showed up like hours later? Yes. And her sherbet dress. Yelling at the minions, the male minions on the red carpet.

Yes. Do it. Do it. Do it. It's not how it goes. Look at me now. Right. Spread it out.

Don't pick it up. Yeah. She basically sees everybody like that guy with a hammer who threw it. Like beneath me, worker. Do as I say. It's fucking purple. world. It's lilac, God damn it. Get that lavender. Well, I don't know about those two, but you're right. Taylor Swift has gotten a pass for her villainous role in that whole thing. Same way Parker Posey got a pass for her abuse of that poor Swedish journalist or Norwegian journalist in the mean Blake lively exchange. You know, like, you have a cute bump, you know, remember? Oh, yeah, Shasta Fla. Yeah. Shast a Flau awesome talk podcast. Yes. And, and Parker Posey was right there being as bitchy, if not more, as Taylor Swift to this poor journalist.

Oh, it was awful. It wasn't just that it wasn't just that the journalist congratulated Blake on her announced pregnancy. Yeah. And she was like seven months along. Yeah, it was visible. And then Blake turned around and said, oh, look at your, you know. And apparently from what I've read, that journalist was actually trying to conceive. So it was doubly mean. Yeah. Doubly mean. You never go there. You never go. And then Blake turns directly to Parker and So talking to her one-on-one like this, and here's the journalist. This is her job. Everybody's got a job to do. And they're talking to each other like she's not even in the room. It's so Parker Posey, too. Fuck her. You know, it's like it's so, it's punching down. It's like. Yes. Yes. And they, and they're not bright enough to realize this person is there ostensibly to make you look good. And now you're alienating her and she's going to fucking hate you forever. It's just so short-sighted. And she did get the last laugh because that. video of Taylor was, so she had done that interview years prior in promoting Cafe Society, Woody Allen's film, they were both in. And she said her network did air it. You know, they did air. She wasn't sure if they were going to air it at the time she did it. But she re-released that tape when it ends with Us came out. And there was buzz about Blake, like being off tone and pushing her hair

products in while promoting a film on domestic violence and she reposted it like she's not a nice person and that caught fire it genuinely added to Blake's problems and Blake in that lawsuit really wanted to prove that Justin Baldoni was behind that tape and that woman was she was named on the witness list and she was going to say he had nothing to do with it was my genuine dislike of you which you earned you know with all your hard work brings such a fucking bitch to me along with Parker POSY. You know, I wonder if some of the rage with Blake is, I've thought about this, why the rage. Like, you have everything that you probably ever wanted. She's on, like, her fourth face. She's had extensive cosmetic surgery. Has she? She's had at least three rhinoplasties.

Oh, oh, wow. If you look at the original nose, it's a different face. The Hollywood type, they get like these minor tweaks to their features that you can't, like, unless you're really paying attention. I'm very bad at noticing this kind of stuff. Oh, go look up her original face. It's amazing. All right, I will. incredible. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. Just my opinion. She's not a great talent. She's not a great actress, right? How'd she get there? Reportedly, allegedly, she was a friend of Harvey's. Oh, oh. Maybe we had to do some things. Most of them did. Yeah. I mean, that's why I'll always respect

Pamela Anderson, because she sat across me on the NBC set and talked about how, and of course, I mean, especially in her heyday, the biggest sex pot in the world. You know, no, not just for her beauty, but like her sexiness. There was zero chance. Harvey didn't take a shot at her, right? Zero chance. And she said she was asked to go meet him and others, I think she said, in hotel rooms for meetings.

And she always said, no. She said her mother told her when she was very young, don't do that. Like, you know what they're asking for. And she was raised right. Her mother instilled a sense of common sense in her. She did not want to get ahead that way. Just because she's this knockout like sex pot doesn't mean that's the route she wanted to take to becoming a household name. So she was happy to put on that sex appeal, let men fantasize.

Obviously, she had her Tommy Lee and her kid rock marriages and all that. But when it came to actually getting jobs, she did it the right way. And she refused to play that game. Good for her. I know. Good for her. It also, it kind of tracks why now she's sort of like, She goes makeup free and she wants to sort of be taken more seriously.

You know, you can imagine what that branding did to her. And she did want to become a movie star. Remember she did that movie. Was it barbed wire? Barbed wire, yeah. She did want to be a movie star. And it didn't quite work out for her. But it's interesting that she, again, like Courtney Love said it on a red carpet back in the 90s.

I don't know if you remember this clip, but some entertainment journalist said, Courtney, what would you advise to any young actress coming to L.A. wanting to make it. And she said, if Harvey Weinstein invites you to a meeting at his room at the four seasons, don't go. Don't go. So true. I mean, it does remind me that Janice Dean told the story about Roger Ailes where she was interviewing

for her job and he asked her to meet him at a hotel lobby. And she did it. He, you know, it was like in the restaurant or in the bar. And she did. It wasn't like, come meet me at my room. she did it and across from her at that meeting he like reached out and I kind of held her hand and he said I need to know how you see me how you see me and Janice said like like a teacher like a mentor you know like like a boss which was not really what he wanted to hear but I just loved

how she played it like like a mentor you know like not as a friend as like you know you know someone from whom I have a lot to learn. She didn't go there. Did people know? Like if you, like, if I'm like going in and it's like Roger Ailes wants to interview you, you're like the last part of the process. And if he okays you, you're going to get the job. Yeah.

Would I have heard through a whisper network? I don't think so. Really? I definitely don't think so. I mean, I definitely thought I was the only one. And that was part of like my own confusion about the whole situation for years when I was very young. I thought he was trying to have an affair.

with me. I didn't look at him as a harasser. Do you know what I mean? Like, I thought he was taking a shot at having an affair. And then somebody at Fox, who I was close with, said, he's just an unhappily married guy. And so, like, it just was framed for me by myself and by this other person who knew him as, like, about having an affair as opposed to being a serial assaulter or whatever, harasser. And it wasn't until years later that I would talk to JD and like over drinks one night, we would like tell our stories and we were both like, oh my God. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was crazy. And then, like, we had no idea the extent of it until the scandal hit. And then it was like, then we actually went looking to find out like who else is there. Like there's got to how widespread is this? And the answer was

extremely widespread. But he was so powerful. He managed to keep it quiet. And people were too terrified, I think, now in retrospect, to say anything about him. Because he just, you know, he was like dear leader. Wow. Yeah. That's amazing. It's amazing how he was able to keep all of that siloed and have confidence that none of the women would speak to each other about it. Yeah. Oh, well, I mean, he probably gave them the same spiel he gave me, which was, I mean, later, you know, we got past that incident, the period where he was trying to, whatever, with me. And we went on to have a very good relationship for the vast majority of my years there. But he would, even once we were past all that, you know, he had me up there and I'd sit in his office for three hours at a time.

I'd come out of there and Suzanne Scott and Bill Shine is his number two and one person would be like looking at me like, what's on his mind? What's he saying about this? He didn't do this with his executives. Like I became a close confidant of his. It was very strange. I appreciate it. I learned a ton, but I've maintained to this day, I could tell you more about Roger L's philosophy in terms of like talent, management and running the company, then either of those two could. But he would stress how he needed

to be able to trust you and how you couldn't repeat anything he said in there. And I always accepted that as like, this is the price of admission. Like he needs to have a couple of people he can talk to. And he said to me one time, I think I'm the loneliest man in the world. Because I don't think he thought he could have friends. I think he was not unlike a lot of like prominent politicians like look at Trump I'm sure at some level Trump knows 99.9% of the people around him are using him. They're not real friends. They're like they want something and that was probably true in his real estate business too. It's the downside of being extremely successful whether it's in terms of money or accomplishment. And I think Roger felt

that doubly. He felt very paranoid about people exploiting him, using him or or you know, I don't know, just setting him up. which is ironic because, you know, then came Gretchen Carlson, who was in there taping him. And he didn't think he had any friends. He said that. That's interesting because saying the thing about Gretchen, like taping him, that to me is an interesting window into that psyche because I kind of think you're, you think that way if you're up to something bad, right? You can't have friends. You can't have friends at your level, right?

You don't have friends from before. Yeah. You don't have family members that you trust implicit. Like, you've got to have those people. Like, most of us do. Yeah. Most people do. I just, I don't buy, like, I can't have friends.

Like, that you're up to something and you need to, you need to silo your life. You can't integrate everything because you're over here doing some really bad shit. Yeah. It's true. I mean, I remember talking to O'Reilly and he said, like, all of his best friends were from childhood, like when he was young. He's still, I mean, I haven't talked to O'Reilly in years, but every year he used to take a guy's trip with his like childhood buddies. And I think it's hard for people who become like super famous, you know, as, as Bill did, to really trust their new friendships, people who came to them once they already were, you know, I don't know. I just feel like I, I myself have learned some lessons this year.

I thought, I genuinely thought I had a true friendship with Ben Shapiro and I learned this year I didn't and don't. So I'm 55 and I'm still learning some lessons here about like, I don't are putting too much stock in certain relationships. Maybe I shouldn't have thought that. It's not like we had a bunch of like private dinners together or like hung out over holidays. But I didn't really think you had to. I consider you a dear friend and we don't have a ton of dinners together. Right. I don't know.

Sometimes you can lose your faith in humanity when too many people burn you and you have to fight against that. You do. And I think, you know, you have an unusual life. you're a very prominent public figure. There are people who are going to want things from you and hide their true motives. But I think, like, I don't, I think it's like, you will, those people will eventually reveal themselves. They will, and it will be painful.

But it's kind of just like, I think it's kind of just the cost of doing business a bit, you know, and you don't ever really want to lose your faith in, like, humanity. or, you know. And I don't think I will. Like I liken it to my dogs. You know, Thunder when we got the invisible fence, thunder's the easy, good. She's the good one.

Stredwick is the difficult one. He's amazing. I love him, but he is definitely a challenge. And she crossed that fence one time. She got the shock. She was like, I got it. I'm good. I'm going to sit here now.

I'm not going to go near that. And Strudwick was like this floppy, fun mess. Ran. And he got shocked. And he tried another. area and he got shocked again. He tried the other and he wasn't getting it at all. And that's, I would say, my own approach to friendships. I'm much more in the strutwick.

You're getting shocked. Let's try it again. Let's make the same mistakes over and over. Isn't like fun? Anyway, we also call him Khalid Sheikh Mohammed because of that because nothing bothered the guy. He was like, you can shock me over and over. That's hilarious. But you know, the other thing is like, You have the dogs. Like your dog, like my dogs. It's like they're like, you can always go back to your dogs. Oh, I love my dogs.

They're never going to betray you. They're so happy to see you. You know, it's like the way your dog gets up, no, but you can see your dog is dead tired over there like in his little dog bed or whatever on your couch or on your kitchen table in my case and you come down in the morning. And like they always get up. They're like, moms here. They get themselves up.

They come over. They wag their tails. Even if they've already eaten. Even if, like, Doug's gotten up before me and fed them. They, like, they come over, they greet you. That's the sweetest thing. It's the best. It's the best.

You're, like, they're always happy. They're, like, they're always just happy to see you and be with you. Who is, did you say dogs plural? I know about Teddy Van Halen. Oh, yeah. I got another one. There's a puppy now. His name is Trouble.

Oh. He's seven months old. It's so fun. Trouble. That's Thunder's father's name. No. Yeah. And I thought here I was thinking I was so original.

Well, it is a original. Not many people have that name. So wait, what kind of dog is he? He's also a mini-Pomeranian. He and Teddy have the same father. Is he Trouble Van Halen? No. I was trying to come up with another rock and roll name, you know, and it was a stretch.

I got a lot of really interesting ideas, though, from troublemakers. A lot of people were very in the camp of Palm Bon Jovi. Oh, I like it. Which is great, but I'm not really a Bon Jovi fan, so I couldn't go with it. So I am a Richie Sambora fan, but I don't know what's happening with John Bon Jovi. So first of all, John Bon Jovi took himself far too seriously. I went to a Bon Jovi concert with Kid Rock one year. Well, Kid Rock was opening for him and invited me and Doug.

So I wasn't there with Kid Rock, but at his invitation. And John Bon Jovi was behind the scenes drinking white wine with his pinky out. Oh, you've told me this story. So that was number one. Number two, something bad happened to John Bon Jovi's voice. Like he lost it from all the screaming and he lost it. Like, literally cannot sing anymore. which is sad and tragic, but he's still out there.

And he's still kind of doing it. And there's a trend of these aging rockers who don't realize, have you seen the tape that's circulating right now of Barry Manilow? No. It's horrifying. And also Smokey Robinson, horrifying. No. He's 86 now.

And you could look at this tape and say, oh, yeah, he's looking good for 86. No, no. He's not singing. He's not giving the audience what they paid for. He's trying way too hard with the multiple. plastic surgeries. This applies to both of them. And they're just mouting the words of soundtracks, you know, that's being pumped, that are being pumped in. I object. Unless you can do it like Rick Springfield, who at 76 or 77 looks like a 42-year-old man out there without his shirt on and is still

singing amazingly. And a colleague of ours at Series XM, then don't do it. Don't do it. Because the fans, I think, are expecting a real live human doing real live singing. But so what do they do, though? Like that's like that's what they do. It's like, show up at a fan event. You could like sign photographs. You could glad hand. It's probably not the same.

It's not the same experience, I would think. Like that's what you know. That's what you, it's why I was thinking about this because I was listening to your conversation yesterday with Rob Finnerty. I loved him. He's a troublemaker. Do you know?

Is he? He's a trouble. I love that guy. Yeah. And you guys were talking about Serena Williams. Yes. And it's like she, she, she, She doesn't, there's nothing else for her.

Like, this is it. Back to the well. We're going back. It's like Tom Brady, who came out of retirement five minutes later. It's like they don't know what else to do with themselves. Yeah. And Tom Brady, it's been interesting watching Tom Brady because like I've come to the realization, like this guy loves, he loves being famous.

Oh, yes. He needs to be famous. He needs it. Like we're showing up at roasts now, you know? We're like, we're doing everything on my Delta flight. He has like a mini travel show. He's charismatic as a piece of plywood, you know? He doesn't have any timing.

No, he's not clever. He's not natural. His face has been like, you know, plastic surgery to like too much symmetry. Allegedly reportedly. Allegedly reportedly, like it doesn't read as human. Anyway, yeah, they don't know what else to do with themselves. Well, we'll drop in clips of Smokey and Barry so you guys can make your own minds up here. Quick break, more with the one and only, Maureen Callahan.

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and find out more at The Nerve Show. dot com. She's part of our MK Media Network and she's a star. We actually pulled the Barry and the Smokey Robinson tapes. We're going to look at them together. All right. Let's see. Let's see Barry first. He's had more facework than Joan Rivers, obviously. And it doesn't even look like he remembers the words to his song. Like he's barely mouting. It's like he's behind the audio track. Yeah. This is so awkward. Why would he just Just let your legacy live with the memories of the actual you, singing, doing actual singing of your iconic songs.

This, to me, is just sad. This isn't fun. Do you remember when, like, they were wheeling Tony Bennett out? And he had dementia. Yes. You know, it's like that. It's like you kind of want your dignity. But I don't know, like, I don't know that veteran show business war horses, like a Barry.

Like, he's not, I just, I just think he needs to be on stage. He needs it. I think it's his oxygen. Oh my God. This is like, loving family members would not let you go out this way. So you're Smokey Robinson, 86 years old. I know we're supposed to look at this and say, 86! That's not at all how I feel. For the listening audience, he's wearing the sparkly green pants and he's rubbing his thighs, like right around his crotch. And like right on, almost right on the crotch here. As slowly as humanly possible. Now he's rubbing his ass, you know, like slow groove.

Like he's getting ready to, like, get on top of somebody. Meanwhile, you know, he steps from the grave. And this is like, this is not inspirational. He looks so infirm. And look, I was just with a friend of mine who's 83. She puts this guy to shame. She actually could do his dance moves better than he could by far. She's very mobile.

She's very robust. You can have somebody, even in their mid-80s, Jane Fonda, I think, is 88 now. Yeah. But that's not it. That's not it. And, you know, that really disturbs me. It looks like he's committing like a felony in several states. It does.

It also makes me think of Madonna. I was just going to say that. So have you seen the latest tape of her? Well, she's trying to crawl up on the DJ deck. No, no. She bends over. We're going to play it. Well, okay, here she is.

She's 60. Six? Yeah, I think so. Or 67. She might be 67. Look at this. She's doing a full bend over twerk with her hands on the floor and like bottom up and down, up and down with the woman behind her pretending to stick her tongue there.

And now look how she moves, Maureen. Mauna, I'm sorry to say, is moving more like an older person now. And she's not pulling this off. She thinks she's pulling this. This is a disgusting. But you can say. I think that's what's colloquially, colloquially known as tossing the salad. Tossing the salad. It's a sex act. It's disgusting.

She's 68. Look at her. You can see she's kind of got the forward hunch. We'll play the longer extended video of her with the rest of the dance. But you can see that like age is even coming for Madonna and she won't. She doesn't have to submit to it. But why can't she just behave like a saucy 67 year old as opposed to a saucey. 27-year-old. Yes. You know? It's, I, it's, it's really, here we go.

This was the Times Square thing with like basically flashing her vaj. No one wants to see. Put it away. It's got cobwebs on it at this point. It's, it, I used to think that it would be really, it was going to be really fascinating to watch Madonna age because she was such a rule breaker. And she just reinvented herself in, in so many brilliant ways. And I never saw this coming.

I never, you know, when she was married, married to Guy Ritchie. She was in her, like, lady of like the landed gentry face. She had the fake British accent. She was stressing like an equestrian. You know, like, I don't know what's happened here. Like, I don't know. I really genuinely hope not to be this needy when I am 67 years old. You know?

Well, I don't see you doing this kind of a thing. I've never done this kind of a thing. But it's just like Tina Turner is the gold standard. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The gold standard. You're absolutely right. showed those legs. The mini-serts, the shortest skirts, and she rocked it, the arms with the guns, the sexy dancing,

but not the inappropriate, like the gyration simulating sex acts. That's just so base. That is Madonna when she was 19, and it was like, whatever, the 1990, 1995 era. But she was a much younger woman then, and it didn't make you feel like, oh, my grandma's trying to hump me. No, I mean, there's, there's, listen, evolution. works one way, you know? None of us want to see.

You know, you look at Mick Jagger, the male version of a Tina Turner. He's still doing it right, you know? It can be done. Still moving. Deb Murphy, Canadian Debbie says we have to look at Sot 13. This is Madonna crawling around on all fours. Let's watch. Oh, this is right.

You don't want to say. She's dressed like a 1920s flat. She's blowing her smoke in the camera. Her breasts are of six. spilling out pretty much. She's got rid of the eyebrows. She's going, happy, happy, cry. Happy.

She's smoking. It looks like a cigarillo that she's smoking. And the whole thing with Madonna, too, used to be that she was like straight edge. She didn't smoke. She didn't drink. She didn't do drugs. She didn't do anything. That is a woman to me in the throes of an active drug addiction.

I'm sorry. That's what she looks like. Yeah. And just so desperately needy. Like, I would love to think of you as not this needy as just like this badass billionaire, you know, who's accomplished more than virtually any other singer alive, who's totally comfortable in our own skin and doesn't need to do thirst traps for the 25-year-old guys when you're pushing 70 and it's not going to happen.

Like it's depressing to me. That's how it is depressing. She could have been a really cool, iconic elder stateswoman of rock and she's not. And that's not how it wound up going. Okay. I've got to show you tape that comes from the Jesse. Water Show because it's summer and we're at the Jersey Shore. And I don't know whether this was taken at the Jersey Shore. I know Jesse comes to the Jersey Shore. So it's possible. He was not in

this tape, but it ran on his show. And I'm concerned, Maureen, concerned about the future of our nation because of this. Okay. Watch. Why do we celebrate the Fourth of July? Um, I honestly couldn't answer that. Well, actually not sure. We celebrate the birth. birthday of America. To be lit and enjoy life. That didn't used to be a trick question. How old is America turning this year? Oh.

I have no idea. Oh my god. 58? 58. Is it actually? No. 250? Where do we declare our independence from?

Explain that a little bit further. What do you mean by where? The United States. Great Britain. Mozambique. You're kidding, right? What was the name of the war in which we fought for our independence? Civil War.

The Civil War. Yeah. No. Oh God. I actually don't know. The Rev. Br, I don't know. French and Indian War.

World War II. The Revolutionary War. Well, you and I will know. never be out of work. Never. It's shocking. I know. But they're dumb, are they? I kind of operate on this level that like more people are less equipped maybe. Are there? You might think. Not the listeners to this show. No, of course not. No, no, no. But like, like how in curious do you have to be? How do you get out of an educational system, a first world educational system, not knowing those basics? Even in their weird world, which is probably dictated by TikTok, wouldn't they know it's the 200

50th? No. Why what do you mean? It's everywhere. I feel like it's not. I feel like it's weirdly not. Like I was alive and I know you were because we're a similar vintage. Remember in 76? Yeah. And it was like a huge deal. Yes. Pots and pants I remember on the day of. I remember that. And I feel like it's not as celebrated in the mainstream media because the current occupant of the White House is the current occupant of the White House. That's what I think. We need to hate him. And if you celebrate 250, you're celebrating Trump. And you're, you're actually, it's unpatriotic. You're not like really being, you're not showing fidelity. You're mad at the country right now. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's what that's ridiculous. I can't imagine. I cannot believe, first of all, they don't know that we fought a war to free ourselves from England. Hello. This is so basic.

But I'll bet you they can tell you like, you know, what non-binary means. Probably. You know, that's the stuff they're learning right now. Yeah. Yeah. No. And the other thing is, you know, the whole controversy over the UFC fight on the lawn of the White House.

Yeah. This is what I wish the conversation had been about. Like all that pushback. It's, it's about class. It's classist. Yeah, that's right. Immediately hate it because it's what regular,

hardworking, non-elite coastal people are interested in. That's right. And that's right. And that's why they hate it. They hate it because Trump likes it too. You've got to hate anything that Trump likes. All right.

Michelle Obama, she's back in the news. And did you see the portrait? The presidential portrait in the Hope and Change lobby. No. It's the hope and change lobby of the new presidential library. It's real. It's like actually what they're calling it. And it features the presidential portrait of the two of them with her front and center.

He's the side piece in the back. She was the first lady, not the president, even though she keeps calling it our administration when we were president. You weren't president. It wasn't your administration. Look at this. Look. Look.

He looks like. looks like the supporting actor and she's got the main stage she was asked about this and wanted us to know this is why it was done that way here she is on MS now SOT 19 And you're in the foreground

you're together there It's not you know what is often You're not in the background You're right there together Well that's because I married a man Who isn't threatened by you know, having a smart, challenging partner. And that's also another way to be a man, you know, to lead, you know, to lead and co-lead all at the same time.

And to be good with it because it gets you to become a better person. She can't stand him. Oh, she fucking hates him. We know these are lies. It's, you know what? It reminds me of Barack's very famous foreign policy strategy, which was lead from behind. And that's apparently how it goes in the marriage. We lead from behind.

We sit for our presidential port. The mind-blowing thing was a couple of nights before the official opening and they had that big event in the presidential library. They were on stage together. Yes. And she's wearing a silk screened custom-made skirt with her dead mother's face on it. Did you see this? No, what? It was like, her face was like this big.

Oh, gosh. Three feet. And she's standing there and she's, she's like this. She is, we are angry. This is her husband's, crap. This is his legacy we're enshrining here. As the first black president, but we're fucking angry at him. Our body language is completely closed off.

Barack's, like, he's like chastened. He's like looking down. He's definitely afraid of her. Oh, definitely. And she's like, I have to, I have to give Barack a moment here. I have to give him, I have to get, I have to excuse him, basically. Again, he's in the doghouse.

They should have built a dog house adjacent to this presidential library and just, it's Barack's residence. It's his permanent residence. And she's like, he didn't know about this skirt until I just walked on stage. And it's my dead mother. I mean, I'm sorry, but if you lose your mother to old age and you have had her for the bulk of your life, you have got to move on with your life in a dignified fashion. Yes.

Nor would I ever dream of honoring my mother by sitting on her and putting her. in front of my hoochie. You know, like, I don't think my mom would want to be honored that way. It's a very strange, but we have to make it about ourselves. Like, it's ostensibly about her mother, but it's really about Michelle. We're stealing the focus. Oh, that's right. Look at me.

Look at my skirt. This accessory over here, it's very Harry and Megan, you know? Meanwhile, she now wants us to believe that Barack's really hating all this attention. Okay. This is, listen to this next soundbite. This is Thought 20. People magazine interview. He's completely uncomfortable with this.

thing being about him. I was like, you know, he was just telling me, I think there should be a little less of me here. I was like, well, who should we be talking about? And he was like, Gandhi. I was like, no, no, Gandhi will have his own museum.

I think people coming here will want to hear about you. But. She's exaggerating. Okay. This man accepted the presidential nomination in front of Greek columns. at Invesco Field in Denver, Colorado, like a king.

Like a king. I was there. It was bigger and more grand than anything. Any president, including the current one, has ever orchestrated for themselves as their own honor. And he wants us. This is the guy who was out there like, we will clean the seas and we will clean the air. Right. He has suffered from delusions of grandeur since he was a teenager.

And she actually wants us to believe that he's this humble, oh, the presidential library that I just built as a monument skyscraper to myself should be about like Gandhi, not me. I'm uncomfortable with all the focus on me. Sure. I was thinking the same thing. Those like fake Greek columns and the, you know, the adoration. Like he lapped it up.

He loved. He loved, again, another one who loves being famous. He, I think was one of the, like when he came in and he was. I think he did more interviews than a first-term president in their first year than anybody. It was kind of like, how does this guy have time to work? Yeah. Like he was in front of a television camera every five minutes. She also loves the attention.

She loves it. There it is. Invesco field, look at this. Look at this. Look at all the Greek columns behind him. I was there. It was insane. He was treated like the second coming, truly, and ate it up.

Who would approve Greek columns behind them like that? You know what I mean? Like he's accomplished nothing. He'd been a state senator from Illinois. He was a U.S. senator for two years. And he's treating himself here like he's Gandhi. The whole rollout for his presidential campaign was like that. And now he wants us to believe, and she does too, that he's just this humble Joe.

You know, like, gee, aw, shucks. You know, I had to build this presidential library, but I really wish it weren't about me. Okay, sure. Even Chicago, like his native Chicago, is like, this library is a little much. It's the ugliest building I've ever seen in my life. It's so ugly. It is so unattractive. And it's got like zero windows, which, again, I find very strange for somebody who's

about transparency and light and hope and change. Like windows actually are a metaphor for that kind of a thing. I don't understand it. I don't. It's a blight. It's like an eyesore. It's a literal eyesore. What do we have Debbie Murphy?

She wants to show us something. Oh, the skirt. She found the skirt. Let's see it. Yeah. Let's see. Michelle Obama honors her late mother by wearing a skirt. Oh, my gosh.

Is the mother's face right on the front? Yeah. There's a front version you can see. Yeah, we got to see the front version. I can't, like, why would you put your mother's? Oh, my God. What? And look at the body language.

Like, her arm is locked. There's no softness. there's like a huge gap between them. He's using his other arm. Like he's not holding her hand. No. It's very strange. He doesn't have his hand around her.

Like Doug would have his hand around my back. Nope. Look at this. He looks like a beaten dog. Yeah. It's like even this night cannot be about him. Wow. Well, looking down the line at not his VP, but his VP's wife, Jill Biden, she's had a

humiliation this week because she put out this book. Remember she did her little tour. on it. And she was like, this book is about me. Why are we spending all this time focusing on my complaints about the Joe Biden being pushed out of the race? It's got, I've got a lot of great stories in there. I'm inspirational. She literally pulled a Gail King. She was like, I'm inspirational. There are a lot of inspirational stories in there for women about how I worked when I got into the White House and also was second lady and then first lady. Well, she pushed that book everywhere and it made the New York Times bestseller list. Debuted at number one.

because of who she is, then the number of adoring press articles she got. And she got the dagger, the deadly dagger. That means bulk sales. You always got to look for the dagger. The bulk sales mean they bought their way onto the list. That's what it means.

Bulk sales technically, they'll try to say, oh, but well, I had, you know, several like events where they bought, no, no, no. That, the New York Times knows how to factor that in. Like if you had book parties and you had a lot of books celebrations like that, they won't necessarily give you the dagger just for that.

It's massive purchases in bulk. That's what you did, Jill Biden. That's what's obvious. You got the dagger. And it's unheard of for you to debut at number one and then immediately fall off the list altogether. Yes. As a first lady. No, I mean, like that level public figure, but she did right off.

Like, this is all bought and paid for this packaging around yet the Obamas and the Bidens. There's nothing inspirational about Jill Biden. And nobody looks at her and says like, I want to buy her book and I want to be just like her and I want her fashion too. I am shocked that a Biden did something that seems nefarious, potentially unethical. You know, it just goes to show again, like her thirst, her black hole to it will never be slaked. It's never enough. It was forever the line on her was she's dying to be first lady. Yeah.

She's like she's jealous of Michelle. She's jealous that she's like got to say. second seat. She wants to be first lady. She got it. It wasn't enough that we were first lady. We had to roll our husband, our infirm dementia adult husband out everywhere we could to try to get him a second term. She forgot. She forgot him on stage at the presidential library. Look, remember this? And she's walking off. She goes off. Barack goes off. And her husband, she's like, I don't give a shit about him. I already had my moment. Look at me in this amazing white suit. Look, grandpa's wandering. Where? Oh, who am I? Where is my? Where is my boyfriend?

pudding. Where's Matt Locke? He thinks he's still president. Are you for me? You're here for me? Actually wanted us to believe that he could be president right now. But in any event, she couldn't give a shit. She's like, I had my moment. Everybody looked at me. Grandpa's left behind. She's the living worst. She's the living worst. And it was so awful to see her making her rounds on like the view or wherever. And everybody's just like you are so inspirational. Like she's got nothing to offer. Right. What has she done? She's a community college. Oh, she did become a doctor. Dr. Biden. Again, like all of these things meant to sort of make her seem special, these ornaments, they

mean nothing. They mean nothing. She's not a doctor. No, she's not a doctor. Or she wouldn't have let her husband develop the many ailments that he did right underneath her nose with no medical care or so they would have us believe. Speaking of elderly people, poor Nancy Guthrie, I don't know whether we're ever going to find Nancy.

I mean, Maureen O'Connell came on the show, former FBI profiler, the real deal, and she said she is 75% sure. that they are closing in on Porchman. So that's exciting. I mean, I trust Maureen. That's exciting. I hope it's true. But meanwhile, over the past 48 hours,

we had this fierce war unfolding with FBI statements. To me, it seems to be between maybe FBI, you know, Maine in D.C. and FBI Phoenix, which technically is all part of the same group, but physically isn't. And they'll have their own fiefdom out there. about whether any of the ransom notes were legit. What we know from Savannah is she tends to believe the first two were legit.

And there's no question that the FBI must have led her to believe that. She's too smart. She's not coming to her own judgment about that. I mean, like, she's obviously had countless discussions with the FBI. I feel like if she's saying she believes it, then that's telegraphing that her FBI contacts believe it. And Harvey Levin has been saying that he thinks the FBI is treating at least those first too seriously and, you know, as though they may be authentic. And he believed that they might be treating the other strain of notes he was getting from

the alleged friend of the kidnappers. I've seen Nancy, you know, times of the essence. Oh, wait, it's no longer of the essence that he allegedly had seen her body, look south of the border, that guy. He says he believed that they were looking at that guy seriously too. But then we get a report from Reuters, whose sources are probably DC-based, as they are. saying the FBI doesn't believe any of the kidnapping notes are legit, does not believe any of them. So all this time speculating about the one that said, I know exactly what she was wearing,

this is what she was wearing, and I found her white Apple Watch, and this is exactly where it was on the floor, and there's a broken floodlight, and I went four million by Thursday or six million by Monday or else. Then the follow-up that we just heard the details of last week for the first time, she's dead. She's no longer with us. She's at peace with nature, however they phrased it. No, don't believe it. We've wasted our time.

The FBI doesn't believe they're legit. Then we get follow-up reporting from Fox News and others saying, Not so fast. The FBI isn't necessarily saying that. Don't put you too much stock in the Reuters report. And then the Pima County's sheriff's office is like, we defer to the FBI, which means nothing because now they've taken both positions. And to me, Maureen, it's just further evidence that this case has been

mismanaged both from a public relations standpoint and apparently from an investigative standpoint from the start. And here we are in July. In July, she went missing February 1st. We still have no idea where she is. And they can't even get their messaging straight around something as critical as the ransom notes. You know, there's this, I think, assumption in the culture. And we get it from TV and movies that the FBI is all powerful, all knowing they are the finest minds. And I know from former FBI agents who I spoke to extensively for one of my books that it's simply not so. And the FBI is often very fallible and fucked up.

And this messaging, this is the FBI's case now. They can't even get it straight. They keep saying Pima County's taking the lead, which I'm sure they would love for us to believe. They would love that. They would love that, you know. And for such a high profile case involving such a high profile person who is back on television every weekday morning. Yes.

Now, the other thing, I think you were talking to Maureen about this, that letter, which had, I think you guys were saying, it sounds like a woman wrote it. Yes. Feminine language. Yes. Like, I'm sorry. She's buried with nature. Yes. The important thing is there's nothing you could have done to have prevented it.

And yeah, she died unexpectedly. Yeah, there was definitely a couple turns of phrases in there that sounded, she's right, feminine, a female. Yeah, which adds, which adds an interesting dimension to this because women don't tend to commit crimes like this. And we know that wasn't a woman, well, we think we know on the porch. Yeah, no, that was definitely a man, you know. It's a fascinating mystery. I hope Maureen is right that they're close to finding. they find that guy who was on the porch,

then now we really have. Then it's ballgame. Then we don't care about the notes. It's like we got the guy who actually took her. Everything stems from that. It just like when that first hit the tape of that guy on the porch, it was so hopeful. Maureen was actually on the air with me at the time,

along with our other panelists. And everyone was so excited because it seemed like such a crazy, good investigative lead. Even President Trump had said that the Friday before, like I think we're going to solve it soon because he knew about the tape reportedly. Nothing. Here we are July. And now there's a report out that Savannah may reportedly be getting ready to take another leave from the Today Show, that it's just been too much. And you know, you think about it. When this came up, she keeps talking about it, Maureen, in a way that is very severe. She says we're still in agony. Every day we're in agony. That I just can't imagine doing the news while in agony, for months on end.

So I don't know. It's a tabloid who's reporting it, I think. I can't remember. Maybe it the sun. Yeah, U.S. son. So it could be off. But is it so hard to believe that it might be, and she has plenty of money.

She doesn't need to work. Her husband's got a good job with the NFL, and she's made a lot of money anyway. I'm not sure she's somebody who needs to see herself on TV every day. She doesn't strike me as that kind of a person. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if she did take another step away or even just leave. I wouldn't either.

I think maybe she felt she would regain some sense of normalcy by going back to work and by not, you know, having to work, not think about this all the time. But we've seen her just disappear from the air during the broadcast several times, which clearly she's overcome with emotion. I don't understand. I don't know how you personally square. I, meaning me, I couldn't. An elderly parent abducted from their bed in the dead of night. You don't know where they are, but you know something very bad as how. She's dead. We know she's dead.

And you think it may have happened because of you? Her brother was awful for saying that to her. Do you remember? She said, I asked him, do you think this was because of me? Because I'm famous. Do you think? And he said, yeah, I do. That's better. You know, no. I know. You don't say that. Even if you think it. How do you? We don't even know anything. Say, of course, there's no way to know that. There's a million ways to answer that question. So she's blaming herself, you know? And like, basically what she's doing. this job is bullshit. This morning television is QVC. Yes. You watch it.

Here's a bunch of cheap shit from China. Order it with the QR code. Carson's going to be cooking in the Rockefeller Plaza. Can you believe it? What does she do? Like, you have to have an existential crisis, right? Like, what am I doing with myself? It's true.

She should go like the John Walsh route. Like she should disappear for a while, metabolize this, come back, and like help people. Use her fame for good. You know, I know that she's always... wondered, like worried about whether she's, she has any relevance, like any influence, you know, that that job, while it makes you a household name, doesn't, it's not meaningful at all. You don't affect people's opinions on anything. You're not driving any national conversations. And it's, there's something ironic in seeing, you know, now she is driving national conversations,

but for a reason she never would have chosen or wanted, no one would. Maybe you're right. Maybe there's a lane for her to come back and like, actually, help people find their missing loved ones, do a show that could impact people who are really suffering. I don't know. You're right. The Today Show is totally empty calories. It's not what it used to be. So I wouldn't be surprised to see her step away, especially because, like, she's got two kids. Like, when you lose a family member under any circumstances, you start to think more about family and your legacy and what matters and, you know, time is so fleeting and all that stuff. So we'll see. I don't know. I hope Maureen O'Connell is right about what she said and that they're, they

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SiriusXM 11, and on a Sirius XM app. Now, meanwhile, have you been watching the soccer? No. Me neither. But we did have on the USA game last night because, of course, everybody was into it, my family's into it. And they apparently have now a new tradition

of playing country roads at the end of the USA soccer games. They did this in the earlier rounds too. And now they did it last night in an amazing tape. I guess they've asked the team for a couple of go-to songs. They ask all the teams, not just us. Like what would be your song that you'd want to hear? And these people are straight out of my playbook. John Denver and John Bon Jovi.

Not just John Bon Jovi, but Bon Jovi. Living on a Prayer is our one song. And Country Roads is our other. And then we actually had apparently requested Sweet Caroline, but that was already taken by the Brits, which is weird. Okay, but I got like, okay. In any event, we have two great ones. And look, look at this tape. There's.

Trying to get everybody to do it. Turn it up. Got a little chill. I love this stuff. Love. It's so, it's sports that it's best. It's unifying. It's, you know, people from all walks of life.

It's why it's why the Knicks were so galvan. and energizing. And it also makes me think, I feel like there is this renewed appreciation now between athletes, performers, anyone in a live event and the fans in the crowd. Because we saw this during COVID when they would allow sports to continue, but there could be no audience, no crowd, no fans. And I think everybody kind of realized that is a mutually beneficial relationship. It's not that the fans are there in certain. of the performer or the players. It's like the players feed off that stuff.

They feed off of it. And when you see those players on the field after the wind, raising their arms going, yes, yes, keeps singing. We're in this together. Like that's what that is. It's so great. I feel like if we have a national soundtrack, like for America,

John Denver is at the top of the list. He has such a important role in my own life. Like, oh my God, his music. I cannot hear John Denver music without tearing up. Oh, I never have been able to. My dad used to play John Denver songs on his guitar. We'd go camping when I was a kid. And it is a reminder that, like, you know, I've had no money and I've had money.

All the best things in life come for free. It's the truth. And we'd go to Lake Ontario and we'd rent these cabins, these like beat up cabins, which were not in any way a glamp. I used to call the lawn chair to sleep in. Oh, I love that. My brother and sisters were like, okay, Chuck. she got it

and we'd go out around the campfire at night and my dad would play his guitar and he'd play Neil Diamond too but mostly John Denver songs and that Country Roads 100% also that song today

which brings me to tears whenever I hear it and I think about my dad whenever I hear and then can I tell you after my sister died a couple of years ago suddenly

I got into the car the day of her funeral and of course it was an emotionally charged day already and you turn the car on and the radio comes on, John Denver. And she and I used to cry about my dad listening to John Denver. And we had so many sweet memories to John Denver. And there is no doubt in my mind that was my sister talking to me,

like saying, I'm okay and you're going to be okay too. So for this song to be the song that our team chooses, I just feel like, yes. And Jimmy Fallon once told me that his wife feels about John Denver the way I do. Really? And she can't, like, she can't hear it without crying, but she has to hear it. Like, we force ourselves. Like, Rocky Mountain High, like, that is a spiritual song you feel connected to God when you play that song outside in nature.

I just love that our team was asked to do this. I love that they're leaning into, like, music. Richie Sambora, back to Bon Jovi, he has a song that he wrote called The Soundtrack of Our Lives. And I just love the concept of that, of that phrase. we do have a soundtrack of our lives. You know how you can hear a song that takes you right back to your childhood or a breakup or your, I don't know,

a relationship or something with your parents, something with a friend, some accomplishment, some disappointment, whatever. Oh, look at that. That's my, that's me and my dad. Oh, my God. That's amazing. And his fisherman's hat.

How old are you there? Like four? Yeah, I think it was about four years old. Look at those sweet duds I had. You were a tomboy. He totally something. Look at that boy. The boy hair. I used to have long, pretty hair. And then my sister did too, and she got hers cut. So I wanted mine cut. And I completely looked like a boy, which I had no problem with. I was like, I don't care. I thought I looked cool. I'm four. I don't care. But yeah, the soundtrack of our life, right? Like even as I say, aren't songs coming to your mind? Yes. And they actually say that there's a reason as we age that it's harder for us to hear new music.

Like we, our brains actually are, are so alive in our teen, our childhoods, our teen years, our post-collegiate years. And that's when, that's why generations sort of get stuck in their, the music of their youth, right? Like, nothing is better than the music of your youth. It's like it's, it's like a neurological thing. That's why I'm always listening to the 80s channel on Sirius XM. Same or like the new wave channel or the hip-hop channel, like all of it. It's like, yeah, you're exactly right. I couldn't agree with you more.

Well, I'm not sure what the song would be for Harry and Megan, but it would be something about me. Back to me. They're going to the UK, Maureen. And they're taking a lily bat and archie, which to me is an obvious attention ploy. I don't like, they travel the world without these kids. True. No desire to spend time with them over in the UK, any place or any place else from the look of it. But they'll get more attention when they go back there if they bring the little prince and princess.

who have a zero connection to the royal family, who the Queen Elizabeth was annoyed, was named after her. She didn't like the Lillibet thing, so whatever. And now there's a report today that Prince Harry was near tears when he found out

that the board over there, the Rav, whatever, it's like the royal board, that determines whether you're going to get royal police protection, like state police protection. Like, in other words, for Princess Eugenie,

it's a no. But for King, Charles, it's a yes. For Wills and Kate, of course, it's a yes. But for these two losers from Montecito, it's a no. And he's near tears reportedly over this, Prince Harry.

He keeps coming back to the well. This has been denied repeatedly. Even when he was a lot closer to the royal family, he got denied this. He's not a working royal. No one can explain it better than our pal Dan Wooden, who came on the last time he made a big deal out of this and explained to us the situation.

Okay, listen to Dan. He wants to be treated like a former Prime Minister who will receive lifetime security rights. So even Liz Trash, she was Prime Minister for six weeks. She receives security for the rest of her life. He believes that that's what he deserves. Now, Megan, in the negotiations after Mexico at this thing called the Sandrineum Summit where all of the senior royals, the late Queen Elizabeth II, King Charles William, and their senior staff gathered,

Harry was told, point blank, you will lose your security if you leave in this way. Yes, that is why the Royals tried to come to some type of arrangement with Harry. There were loads of ideas thrown around. At one point, it was like, could we maybe move you to South Africa,

a Commonwealth country for six months of the year? What about making you the Governor General of Australia? Is there some type of role for you in Canada? But as soon as Meghan Markle made it absolutely clear that it was all about the mullah, it was all about the big bucks, it was all about trading off the royal name. At that point, the late Queen Elizabeth II, quite rightly in my opinion, said, no, there is no half in half out. So you can go, you go without blessing, but you lose everything and you do lose your security. And he went on to explain that they've been invited, as they reportedly have even now, to stay in Buckingham Palace. where you do have drivers, you have guards famously outside the entire castle.

And when you drive around Great Britain, you're entitled to have your private security with you. Harry's mad, I think, because you're not allowed to have guns. I think the private security can't have guns. But honestly, like, you don't need that. He doesn't need. People aren't going to be taking random shots at him. When was the last time you heard about somebody taking random shots at the royal family while driving around Great Britain? You need a bodyguard.

You need somebody to stop to stop somebody from coming and accosting you or getting overly zealous when they see you. And he will have that in abundance. So just as we come to air, his people release some, he's under threat from at least six terror plots in the UK. Very important. It's a very important person. And Dan Wooden, he responded like, this is the most ridiculous artificial. made up document. It comes from Harry's office. It's like someone's been searching their emails to find like some, I'll get you. Ah, another terrorist plot against me.

Terrace number one is named George Glass. Yes. Yes. That's right. Bomb making in the basement, the imaginary basement. It's so, it's so, you know, it's, their brand is chaos. Nothing is ever just a straightforward execution, a visit you know, whatever. There have been conflicting reports now that Megan may not be going. She's not happy. She may not be taking the children.

I think part of the reason they want to take the children is so that they can say mean. Future King William would not see his own niece and nephew. They are of the royal blood. William and Kate are cold-blooded, unfeeling people. There are also reports that Harry wants to stay at Althorpe, which is Diana's home and resting place and that they are potentially coming with cameras

for another Netflix but this is all about another we have to extend the Netflix deal which was canceled because they're fed up with those two. It's the only thing they've got. I think Charles is obviously he will probably meet with Harry given his health

which we understand is now he's in very good health he's taking a treatment that's working. Great. But you know nonetheless he's an older man who's been dealing with mortality up close. I think it's foolish. I think they're going to turn right around

and do what they always do. Sell, sell, sell. Yep. Poor William and Catherine have to deal with these two losers coming back over, glomming on without doing any of the work. They've been doing the work.

They've been doing the ribbon cuttings. They go to the events. And these two losers want to bomb in, get all this attention, get royal protection so they can look and feel important, and then go back to their Montess and make more by ripping on the royal family. Exactly.

That's their favorite target. Exactly. And I really do. I think about William and Catherine, they both do the heart. You know, Catherine just completed this arduous three-day climb. It was to, it was, she said when she was done with it, she did it for personal reasons, you know, because she was through the worst of her cancer fight and her chemotherapy. And she's so grateful to be alive.

And she met with a child who's still. dealing with it and made it, you know, all of this stuff. They're the real deal and they do the work. The punishment they get is having these two still entertained by their father. You know, it's a very, it's biblical. It's very cane and able, you know, where it's like, and I think a lot of families relate to this dynamic where the fuck up takes up all the oxygen in the room. Yes, right.

The fuck up gets a million and one chances, no matter how many times they screw up, betray, lie, whatever. Yes. And the dutiful ones are sort of just taken for granted. Well, you're good. You just do what you're supposed to. And taken advantage of. You're right.

Because half the purpose of this will be to gain more fodder for their next Netflix special. And no one's more interesting than Will's and Kate, like nobody. And so they'd love to get any sort of dirt they can on his brother and his wife. And I'm sure they are like, dad, please, could you stop? Yeah. Close the door once and for all. but William reportedly can't convince King Charles to do it because he's the dad. You know, the parent is always a little tougher to convince to do the tough love than the siblings.

But I feel bad for them. Here's the, for them, Will's and Kate, not Harry. This is a report. Prince Harry faces six terrorist plots against him, with five originating within the United Kingdom, according to a highly sensitive document produced by the Duke of Sussex private security company. It's very exciting. Very exciting. Sure.

People really want to get you. We're sure of it. Sure. I got to ask you about Sophie Cunningham. She's a basketball player. She's on the same team, the fever, the Indiana fever, as Caitlin Clark. She went totally viral this week because she's like the only one sticking up for Caitlin Clark. Even Caitlin Clark doesn't stick up for Caitlin Clark.

Caitlin's coach doesn't stand up for her. The WMBA commissioner doesn't stand up for her. but this Sophie Cunningham, who's a star in her own right, like it was a huge college basketball player and has been in the WMBA for years, has had this, she's had it with this bullshit. She happens to be white, and she mixes it up with everybody.

She can't stand what's happening to Caitlin Clark. So she went viral this week because she did this pointing thing. Maybe you've seen it, and then with the wrist, let's watch it. It's everywhere. She's pointing, and she will not be stood down. You can see the ref.

There's the other gal pointing at her, and she will get the last point. She's got an arm as long as my leg. Yeah. Yeah. And they tried to push her back. She won't break stride or pointing. And the memes that have now come out of this are hysterical. There was one I saw yesterday showing Justice Thomas pointing at the other court.

Then there's one that says something about like your toddler in the grocery store whenever you see somebody with a disability. Oh, my God. That is so real. Oh, my God. Right. Oh, my God. That, by the way, that pointing, I think that was in response, that player had said to Sophie, I believe, don't point at me. Yeah.

And so she was like, I'm going to fucking point at you all day long. Sure. Now I know it bothered you. I, you know, the Caitlin Clark thing, I am so, it's so upsetting. I think it was Dave Portnoy who said something like she should just really take herself and go over to Europe and play where she's going to be protected and treated like the star that she is. Yes. You know, it's amazing to me that the WNBA has been electrified by this generational talent who is being assaulted on the court regularly by players who are. This is the conversation that like, again, the mainstream media really won't have.

She's white and she's straight. That's the problem. If this were a black player or a black and gay player, they would be celebrating her. She would be, you know what I mean? Yeah, they think it's a betrayal somehow. They're punishing her. They're punishing her. And I feel like, you know, you were saying that she won't stand up for herself.

I feel like she and or her advisors are trying to sort of take a page out of like the Jackie Robinson playbook where you just comport yourself like a professional. You don't get down in the mud with it. you let your talent speak for yourself. And it will be later when it's reconsidered history that we talk about what was really going on here. But this is mind blowing to me, mind blowing what's happening to Cape and Clark. Her coach is disgusting, too. I don't know.

Like they can't stand each other. Jason Whitlock came on last Friday and really give us a good breakdown of that dynamic. But the coach is disgusting. And the coach finally spoke out. And what did she speak about? She spoke about the alleged abuse that the woman who had the hand on the throat is receiving. She's outraged at the messaging going to that person. It's not about what happened to Kaelan Clark at any turn.

I don't know how she lasts there. This does not look fun. It does not like rewarding. It does not look like something I'd want to be a part of at all. And I like Dave Portnoy's advice. I think he's on to something. Happy fourth, my friend. Happy fourth, Megan.

A wonderful Independence Day. And so should all of you, we will have programming for you tomorrow, but we're not live. So I will speak to you live next time on Monday. wishing all of you. Happy Fourth. God bless you and your families. And thank you so much, as always, for listening. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.