The Megyn Kelly Show - The Fake Campus Assault Statistics, and Moral Decay, with Heather Mac Donald, Plus "Sense and Sensibility" Shock Casting | Ep. 1412

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

Megyn Kelly discusses how the left and media don’t care about due process in the wake of their terrible commentary about the Cornell 7 situation, how Jane Doe’s lawyer is driving a news cycle featuring lies and innuendo, new audio from a phone call between Jane Doe and one of the accused being leaked to ABC, Jane Doe’s lawyer working to destroy the lives of innocent men, Olivia Rodrigo and other uninformed celebrities trying to wade into the “Cornell 7” story and failing, the lynch mob that is trying to destroy the men involved in the story, separating fact from fiction in the case, and more. Then Heather Mac Donald, fellow at the Manhattan Institute, joins to discuss female agency vs. female accountability now in the spotlight, how our society’s terrible morals and values are causing massive problems between young women and men, the need for a serious conversation about not just s*xual assault but s*x, the embarrassing statements from the Cornell president, the truth about the completely fake campus s*xual assault statistics, the real way these viral statistics are actually compiled, and more. Then Megyn closes it out talking about the “Sense and Sensibility” remake making a ridiculous LGBT casting decision, the director making a point about how she wants to make more "queer" films, and more.  More from Mac Donald: https://x.com/hmdatmi  Relief Factor: Reclaim your mobility and celebrate your freedom from aches this year by grabbing your $17.76 3-week QuickStart at https://ReliefFactor.com or by calling 800-4-RELIEF.The Wellness Company: Be prepared for late-night health emergencies by ordering your prescription Medical Emergency Kit at https://UrgentCareKit.com/MK and saving $45 with promo code MK today.Tax Relief Advocates: End your tax nightmare today by visiting us online at https://TRA.com or call 800-575-6845Byrna: Go to https://Byrna.com or your local Sportsman's Warehouse today.  Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShowFind out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show. Happy Monday. Hope you had a great weekend. We've got a great show for you today. Heather McDonald, she's the bomb. We'll be here later. She is the perfect person to talk to on a date like today. But first, major updates in the case of college students now being accused of a massive gang rape. I mean, it is Salem all over again. These young men have had their name. plastered all over every major newscast in America for a week now. The mob has decided they're guilty and ought to be put to death, which is literally what we are hearing in several circles online, without a trial, without a due process chance to defend themselves, not in a kangaroo court on a college campus, which is a joke. But in an actual court, either civil or now it's looking more. and more likely criminal.

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your story with them and with me soon too. The news that comes out is leaked just a bit, just a bit. It's very clearly coming from Jane Doe. All right. It's very clearly coming from Jane Doe. All right? It's very clear that Jane Doe has decided to inform ABC with all of its best evidence against the young men who are probably in some room with their teeth chattering. They're so scared about going to jail for 20 years because the public has made up its mind. Yes, there are plenty of online influencers and others who are being fair to the young men, but not that many. And I'll tell you why. It's because their objective conduct was gross and no one wants to defend it. But just a reminder, you can defend them from this overreach, the legal overreach and not defend the actual decision making on the evening.

Obviously. Obviously, wake up, people. Wake up. It doesn't have to be they're entirely innocent, morally and legally. I don't defend what they do or did morally at all. I mean, I will contextualize it. I'm sick and tired of people saying she's a victim. What happened, the university president came out over the weekend.

What happened to Jane Doe was horrific. What do you mean what happened to this victim? Like, what do you mean what happened to? How about Mr. President of Cornell what Jane Doe engaged in? What Jane Doe decided to do. You know why there was never a question about whether I was gang raped or had three threesomes in a night? Because I never did that. I never, ever put myself in a situation where that would even be a remote possibility of a question someone would ask.

It's miraculous how that works. And trust me, I grew up at a time when we didn't have cameras everywhere. So had I wanted to do this or had the men around me wanted to do this, we could have gotten away with it. I mean, this is just absurd. She has been robbed of all accountability. You know, it's like Sean Davis was saying. She has full agency and no accountability. That is not female empowerment.

I'm sorry to break it to you, ladies of America, but you cannot have one without the other. You want full agency? Good. Me too. Guess what? We both have it. You cannot have it without accountability for your.

your own decision-making. There cannot be a presumption in the criminal and civil court systems that someone who claims to be a rape victim is a truth-teller as there is now because we allow them anonymity. The media plays along, granting them anonymity, just because they say they are a rape victim. Are they? Or are they someone like a crystal mangum out to ruin boys' lives? unjustifiably. Are they? Or are they actually a willing participant in a sex act who then had regrets and did something truly evil, which is to turn a consensual sex act into a rape that could imprison a man and take away the freedom for the rest of his life for something the woman knows was consensual? Why does such a woman deserve to be protected? Genuinely? Because of all the other

victims who are genuine, who are not playing a game, who are not lying, that's not good enough. We don't protect any other victims in the court system or the media this way. We do not say, oh, you've been humiliated as a man who got raped by some criminal. You don't have to put your name out there. We don't say men who get mugged and get the shit kicked out of them, even big, musley men can file anonymously because it might be humiliating for them. Genuinely, it might be, to come out as a victim of someone else's beat down. You know, we don't do this.

There's so many crimes that might feel embarrassing to the victim. And we don't say, okay, you're granted your anonymity until the day a jury says, guilty or not guilty, liable or not liable. This is a very anachronistic protective blanket. We've put over an entire half of the population. Any woman who says she's a victim is presumed to be one still in the courts and the media coverage of such an allegation and still among some pockets on the left in the way they approach any accuser.

This is deeply immoral. There are two sides to every story. You don't know and I don't know what happened inside of Cornell that night. We know there's been a story told by Jane Doe. We know that from her own story, the DA, a Democrat, said there's no case here based on her own admission. And we know that it took her two years to actually file a civil suit, not to go back to that DA. She wasn't willing to do that. Now her lawyer's all over the television ripping on the DA.

How dare he? He didn't look into this. He would have found the Snapchat messaging if he had just looked into it. Where were you? Sir? Where was your client? She had the contact. According to the DA, he told the campus police, give her my contact, tell her to call me.

If there's more, if she wants to discuss my decision not to charge. Nothing. Crickets for two years. Now she and her lawyer just outraged that no charges were brought in this DA didn't do his job, according to them. Now this morning, the attempt to make you hate the young men continues on ABC's Good Morning America. They played audio from Matt Ingalls. He's the main guy who she came to the fraternity to see that night, the guy who proposed a threesome, who she says, she said, yes, I will have a threesome with you in response to his question.

He participated in threesome one and two. And we now know from New York Times reporting, which I'll get to in a minute, he was expelled. According to her complaint, this is the guy who shepherded her through the evening. And also the Snapchat messages make clear he behaved like a complete dirtbag. He was texting about the woman who had come to see him, who she considered a friend, Clearly, he didn't view her as a friend. If this is how Matt Ingalls treats his friends, count me out. But he is the one after his buddy, John Newell,

who he asked to join the threesome, allegedly, tweeted out at some point in the middle of the evening, free P-word upstairs to the 57 guys on their group chat. Matt Ingalls responded, like you can just walk in and whip it out. And now it emerges that he did more than that on the text chain. Okay, but let me just, try to keep it all straight.

ABC News. They have this audio. And it apparently, apparently, according to Jane Doe's lawyer, Jane Doe called these young men, some one or two or three, I don't know, three times after the October 19th, 2024 incident, and surreptitiously recorded the phone calls. At this point, she's obviously just looking to get them to make admissions. And they both have competing interests here.

She has an interest to get them to say something incriminating. And they have an interest at this point before she's actually come out with the fact that she's reporting them to the Cornell University Police, which happened on November 8th, to try to appease her, be as nice as possible, be as accommodating as possible, give her as many points as possible, because I'm sure they're scared shitless. Because if she, you know, as some genius, you know, once said, and I've repeated this on the show before, if you. co-conspire in a crime and your co-conspirator calls you up after the fact and says, what did we do again? Tell me again how we committed the crime. The only correct response is, no, that is not a thing. That always abuses me. Because the odds are they've been caught and the cops have, you know, cut a deal with them to throw you, sell you up the river. Now, that's what she's done here. She's not cut a deal, but clearly she's,

She's thinking about criminal charges. That must have been obvious to them because in the package, you'll hear her say something like, tell me again what happened that night. And here's another thing that you'll notice of this package. In this piece, ABC chose to air the audio of Ingalls only. So now it appears we can't even hear Jane Doe's voice. Even that is too offensive. Watch.

You want me to get in my recollection of the entire night? She told him she spent time in the emergency room and in therapy because there's so much damage on my body and my brain. She said if I wanted to take this somewhere, what y'all did would be classified as gang rape. You already knew when I came in, I was ten shots deep. Ingalls responded with a different recollection. You did tell me you were sober, by the way. You did. You said you hadn't been anywhere.

Jane Doe said she was 100% sure, she told him she had been at a bar for a sorority event, and I never lie. She asked him how they ended up in a threesome with one of his frat brothers. So you come in, say hi. We start dancing for like three to five minutes, and then I popped the question. You say yes. Then I remember like we didn't know who else to bring. So I go up to the who was on the dance four two. And I popped the question and he's like, yeah, and then we go upstairs.

Jane Doe then asking for his help to identify all of the men, saying she remembered four in the bed and more standing around the room. Engels seem to suggest both of their memories may not be accurate. I have racked my brain for this mystery. You know, it's possible that both of us, like, remember this and it's not true. Jane Doe pushed back, saying, no, because I remember looking up and being like, that is too many people. She then asked, do you remember how any of these guys walked in?

The party was sort of, like, crowded, so people started, like, um, filling up the balcony just because there was nowhere else to go. Engels did not mention that during the incident, he posted to a group on Snapchat, a photo of her in bed, and an invitation to his fraternity brothers, saying, boys, come whip it out. Engels has not responded to Jane Doe's lawsuit, but during Cornell's internal investigation,

he said he was too intoxicated to consent and suggested Jane Doe assaulted him. Why can't that be true? Why can't that be true? unlike Jane Doe, he kept passing out during the initial threesome. He kept, he couldn't keep his eyes open. He clearly was passing out and drifting in and out of consciousness. How is it that he takes all the blame for accountability, for agency in the moment, but she gets none. She wasn't passing out. Oh, now her lawyer is using the term she was blacked out. When? When? All the way up to 305 a.m. she was texting. She texted her roommates at 305. She certainly wasn't, blacked out during threesome number one or threesome number two, which were over by then. When did she black out? Why does he get expelled for a sex act or two committed when he was out of his mind, high slash drunk? And he gets no cover for the fact that he was high slash drunk.

Might it be because he chose to ingest those substances? Oh, wait, so did she. You see, this is the whole thing is basically a sexist. It's the word I'm looking for. It's a sexist play. It's just a sexist, like, play act where we pretend that the women have no agency and the men have all of it. We hold the men to account for their bad behavior, but the women, none of it, or in this case, women. How is this progress? the absolute freak out by all women,

not all of them are freaking up, but the ones who are, over this accounts for zero agency for women whatsoever. No one will even consider the possibility that this woman made a decision to get it on with four men total, not seven, and enjoyed it because I'm just going to be honest. She's not the most attractive gal. She's extremely beefy in this. in like her arms and her legs.

She has a whole video online talking about her cancels. And she possibly enjoyed being admired. This is how women make these mistakes. Admired, wanted. Some women even, you know, foolishly say, loved by these guys at Cornell. This is probably a first for her. She's probably thrilled to be so admired because she clearly didn't grow up, the incredibly beautiful one.

trying to be insulting. I'm just trying to tell you the narrative that is likely to have occurred here, in my opinion. And why can't we account for that possibility? That the girl who was never the most sought after suddenly had four guys who wanted to have sex with her. And she counted this, yeah, in her inebriated state as a win and liked the feeling of being sexy and desired and wanted. It happens. Sorry. It does. And that's why she kept saying yes. Why do we have to go right to she's a victim? Even she took weeks to get there. It wasn't until they told her she couldn't go to the party. We all know that. Right? This is so disempowering to all of womankind. To all of us, to our daughters, we are capable of making decisions. She made the decision to do. She made the decision to

drink and then show up at a fraternity house at 11 o'clock. She now says in that, in that exchange with Ingalls, that she had done 10 shots. She said, you know, I did 10 shots. And he says, you told me you were sober. Okay. So where'd she do the 10 shots, by the way? I genuinely would like to know. This seems to be, I don't know, something made up. Maybe to help her lawsuit, maybe to help her claims that she was inebriated from the second she knocked on that door. But even her lawsuit says she had Tito's vodka at the Tridout house. She doesn't specify how much. Then they went to a bar where she got the under 21 stamps and they complained that this bar

nevertheless served her one drink. Then she went to a second bar and they don't allege in the lawsuit that she drank there. So by my count, that's one drink at a bar. And what, she did? She did nine shots at the Triteout House? And honestly, if she did nine shots at the Tridelt House, who is to blame for that? Is it Tridelt? I don't think so.

It's you, Jane Doe. Why the fuck did you do nine shots at age 20 or 19 at the sorority house? In my life, I've never done nine shots. And I'm an Irish woman. This is just, what is this? And then the whole world is, oh, you're excused for anything bad that you choose to do thereafter. We have to blame everybody who interacted with you for their bad behavior because you chose to do nine shots and then have a drink on top of it. What is this?

Like, you show up, you say, I've done 10 shots, this is according to her. And everybody inside needs to run, duck and cover. Get the hell under your bed. Lock yourself into the hope chest. Stay away. If you lay one finger on this girl, the whole lynch mob is going to come for you saying you had no right. She was inebriated, even though the law in New York is exactly the opposite. But now there's a big push to change that.

Do not send your child. If this law changes, do not send your son to college in New York State. If this law changes, don't. Every drunken romp can be criminalized if this law changes. And it will only be criminalized one way. as we see in this first threesome, one of the guys can't stop passing out. One of the guys is dry heaving and apparently did eventually throw up. And the only person whose intoxication counts is Jane Doe.

No one gives a shit that those two guys were completely blitzed, that they also were heavily inebriated and had also been doing ketamine. That doesn't count, you see. Men can't be taken advantage of, which is just, a lie. They absolutely can. So now we hear from Jane Doe's lawyer. He should appear on every television show with a pitchfork. He should be mandated to appear everywhere holding his pitchfork. His name is Thomas Jifra. He went on TV with CNN over the weekend and he alleged that there may be now, in his estimation, even more members of the fraternity involved in this.

If this was a normal investigation that was done in New York City, for example, they would have gotten search warrants. They would have grabbed every single one of these phones of these guys. They would have downloaded all this material. I'm confident knowing this day and age and the group that we're dealing with that there were other photos, there were videos. And you know where I think those photos and videos are now? I think they're in the bottom of Lake Cuyahoga because once they knew there was a problem, they cleared everything out and they got rid of it. And the fact is that the investigators let that happen they let that happen we'd have a lot more evidence and frankly i don't i'm not even sure we have everybody who participated in this assault because my client was blacked out

during periods of time and that's reported in these statements we don't even know the people we have or the people we definitively know if you ask me i believe there were more based on what based on what? You've got your own client in her little setup phone call with Matt Ingalls saying she can't remember anything. So what is it based on? Let's just cast a wide net. That's what the disgusting vile pig Amy Siskind did online as she outed the names of all 57 on the text chain as equally derelicts. Like this woman decided to cast this wide net of disgusting.

blowback on every single man on the text chain suggesting they're all disgusting because they received the text because they were on the Snapchat. This is deeply wrong because that text chain got started someplace around 140 in the morning, not the original text chain, but the free P word upstairs. Her name is Amy Siskind again. She's glad that, quote, we have a highly competent professional in charge, and she wants Latisha James to interview all 57 men on the Chi Phi group chat. She was good enough to plaster their names on social media.

Reading from a twitchy post here. The cutoff text reads, hold them all accountable. And the admins, seven hours, seven hours. She didn't say they were guilty. She just named all 57 and said she wants them all. investigated during a rape investigation and held accountable. Later, after she got dragged and probably threatened by several of their lawyers, she deleted the post. This is a far-left activist who tried to make a name for herself during Trump's first term for creating the weekly list of his

creeping authoritarianism. You better be very, very careful doing something like that. Because a text that goes out at 1.40 a snap in the morning tends to hit most of its recipients when they're asleep, Amy. So fuck off in your assumption that they all received it and did nothing. And in fact, the evidence thus far is that at least two of them went into the room and said, we're shutting whatever the F this is down right now. One was a participant. One, we believe was not, though he hasn't been named. It was not shut down.

It went on past that point. But it is not true that nobody did anything in response to that text that could have resembled trying to stop it. The lynch mob around these boys is very dangerous. I'm genuinely worried. I'm worried about them. And I'm slightly worried about Jane Doe too, because I think what happened to Jane Doe is she made a terrible decision. And then to deal with the shame of it,

she made up a lie about being gang raped. And I think it probably feels very good to see all these people speaking out in her defense right now. But inside, she knows what she's doing. She knows it's wrong. She's going to have to reconcile it. God who also knows the truth. And honestly, it's, it is the one thing that has stopped me from naming her. I'm, I know her name.

It's been well publicized, but on, online. But no one in the mainstream media has said it. And as you know, I've been seriously considering just saying it. And the reason I haven't is because I don't want to do anything to hurt this young woman, to get her hurt, or to. add to the pain I'm sure she's feeling. My real complaint is that she doesn't get named and the young men do. That's what I'm pissed about. Why do we have a court system that allows it? Why do we have a media system that allows it? And therefore, I haven't totally made my decision. I haven't.

But these are the considerations I'm weighing. I have no wish to unleash a lynch mob on her. I think she's a troubled young woman. These guys are nothing to write home about it. either. I don't purport otherwise. But what's being done to them now, threatening with decades of imprisonment over what was clearly a consensual, if disgusting, night at the Kai Fai House is deeply wrong. That's deeply wrong morally. And you also have the celebrity class. I told you about Florence Pugh and others last week. And now singer Olivia Rodriguez takes to Instagram on Saturday and writes the following. Quote, shame on Cornell in every institution who protects rapists and abusers over women. I stand with Jane Doe. I mean, good Lord. Her bravery

reverberates across the country and the crimes against her will not go unpunished crimes. Olivia's figured it out, folks. What she lived through matters. And so does the failure of those who could have intervened but chose not to. She deserves answers, consequences, and lasting change. Olivia did not stop there posting a list of demands from an organization called Freeform, which claims to be, quote, about ending gender-based violence by building economic freedom. Here's a list of demands, some of them. Not only include accountability, justice, and repair, we must also demand economic reparations. Colleges and universities need to provide full scholarships for survivors to complete their education

that includes money for therapy and healing, new housing, and anything else they need. And to top it all off, she posted a story, Olivia did, about a Columbia University student who went to class carrying a mattress on her back, claiming she had been raped on the mattress. But that story is years old and her alleged rapist was found not responsible by the woke left-leaning university that was dying to affirm the findings of rape. But couldn't. And then the woke leftist DA in New York declined to bring charges. Olivia, in some, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Shut up and stick to singing. I liked you better when you were in front of a microphone singing your weird little depressing songs.

Shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. It's better to keep your mouth shut and let people suspect you're an idiot than to open it and prove them right. Never hear that saying? It applies to you, sweetheart. Be quiet. Go away. See you at the concert.

Got it? It's just, it's amazing. Adults are talking. Okay? Take your seat. We don't need the participation of no-nothing morons who have been auto-tuned into fame and suddenly think they have something profound to say on the culture wars. Sit down and be quiet.

Got it? Or I'm going to have to start pulling your music and your lyrics and take a deep dive into exactly the kind of messaging that you are pushing on young women because I guarantee it's not going to end well for you, Olivia. Be quiet. The adults are talking. Um, the lynch mob ginned up by people like Jane Doe's lawyer. People like Olivia and others have gone too far. You're shocked. But here's an example of a male TikToker who's got thoughts in SOT 11. Put all seven of them to death. publicly. I'm not kidding. The Cornell 7? No, fucking essay. How about you explain to me why you should live? Why you should continue to be on the earth. Seven Cornell inhuman scum. Seven Cornell men

drugged and raped a woman for seven fucking hours, advertising it to an entire group chat. The seven that committed the act? Death. Every single person that got that message and did nothing. Prison. expelled in prison. And the punishment was writing an essay. How about they all explain to the public why they should keep their fucking breath in their lungs? Okay. If you're going to do this bit, like you should really work on not trying to look like a John Mayer want to be

because you'll never be as cool as John Mayer nor have his good hair. Try again. And honestly, if you're going to contribute anything, try to make it at least smart and no, in no state in the union, sweetheart, is the death penalty for even a terrible gang rape, as you seem to believe happened here, death. It's virtue signaling. And honestly, as we've seen time and time again, those who feel the need to virtue signal the hardest tend to be the ones who have something they're hiding. I'd love to get that guy's name and take a look at his past. Trust me. Trust me.

The ones who virtue signal the very hardest in these situations almost always turn out to have something on their conscious. Conscience. What is it? Tell us all. You won't tell us what it is, but you say a lot when you try to do your super hard virtue signaling. It's just really repulsive. There is a lynch mob after these young men and they haven't even been indicted. Okay?

And again, back to this lawyer. Oh, I'm sure there are more. Who? How dare you? You're the same as Amy Siskind. Just casting this wide net. I'm sure there are. Who?

That's so fucking irresponsible. Not even your client alleges that. What your client says in that soundbite we just heard is, and I quote, I never lie. I never lie. I'm 100% sure that I was at a bar for a sorority event. And I never lie. Well, that's a problem for you, Jane Doe, because you're the one who said nothing illegal happened. I actually liked being with you, John Newell, and Matt Ingalls. We're all consenting adults here. It's true, I'm a slut. And people are going to have to get

used to this because attitudes about sex and sexuality are changing. I guess I'm just really open-minded. I love you, King. Not to mention, according to one of the young men, reportedly said, we're all consenting adults here. We're all consenting adults here. But I never lie. Well, good. That's going to actually serve the young men in this case very, very well. I'm glad to hear you say that.

I got it. I believe you. But your lawyer certainly seems to. Your lawyer's making some very scurrilous allegations, which you know are not true. And when they're done on your behalf, my dear, they're on you. And there will come a day

if you see this through, when you will have to take the witness stand, you will have to swear an oath on the Bible, and you will have to make these claims under oath as God and a jury and a judge and a public watch you. And that day better bring the truth, or these guys' defense lawyers are going to eat you alive. You will be torn to shreds with the statements that you've made. I'm sorry. I'm not looking forward to it. I'm just telling you, as a lawyer, if I had the chance to cross-examine you, it would be absolutely brutal, unsparing, unpleasant for us both. But that's what you've done because you admitted this was consensual over and over and over again before you did your 180. And yes, those admissions matter and will sink your case. ultimately. I hope and pray because, you know, a New York jury, who knows, but they should. We're going to take a short break. We're going to come back with Heather McDonald and her thoughts on where the latest round of feminism seems to have gotten us. Imagine this. You are surrounded

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This is a young woman. We're calling her Jane Doe, but she is a person. And every time I think about what she must be feeling and what she's going through, it makes me pause. Do you feel safe on campus? You know, I hear a movement of people saying, I am Jane Doe. Do you think this is something that happens? I'm asking a lot of questions because I'm so wild up about.

about this. Do you think that this is something that happens often on your campus? Yeah, there have been studies every year at Cornell. I know two years ago, 20, around 25% of women's students reported unwanted sexual conduct in their four years here. That went up to 35% last year. So not only is this a consistent problem, it's actually on the rise. And, you know, I think answering the question of if it feels safe at Cornell is really hard, but I think it feels sad to be at Cornell. It feels frustrating to be at Cornell. We feel anger here at Cornell.

Great. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show. Joining me now, Heather McDonald. She's a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and contributing editor at City Journal. Heather, the lie continues. They're pushing it on every channel and in every publication,

something you have debunked dozens of times, but they will not listen to facts. It's remarkable, Megan. We are watching the lie be constructed in front of our eyes. They are shameless about it. They are ignoring the evidence on the record that proves that this was a consensual interaction. Jane Doe herself gave numerous testimony after the fact, And yet the narrative is being spun with all of those statements completely excluded as if she had never signed on to a police report that showed that this was a consensual, if completely sorted interaction. They're ignoring the evidence that even the New York Times posted where she was invited to a Halloween party back at the dorm where she was allegedly ganged. raped. And she was so happy to be invited. She said, oh, I'll bring my Sigs. And, and then she was eager,

eager to attend, they reported. You know what? Nobody goes back and has repeat interactions with his alleged, her alleged rapist. It does not happen. And here's another thing, Megan, colleges know how to respond to rape. If there had been an actual rape on Cornell campus, the university officials would have shut it down. They would have sent out notices to every single undergraduate that there was a rapist at large and that they should walk in protective squads. They shouldn't go out at night.

None of that happened because Cornell threw its army of Title IX investigators at this incident. They recorded thousands of hours. of testimony, and Cornell reached the right conclusion the first time around. This was not a rape. That's right. They, we now know that they expelled the most offensive Snapchat posters, Matt Ingalls and Jonathan Newell. Matt Ingalls is the one who invited her into the house, who proposed a threesome, whose voice we now hear on that ABC news clip, which Jane Doe is too delicate apparently to have her audio played.

And John Newell is the one who posted free P-word upstairs. Matt Ingalls chimed in like you can go in and whip it out. And then appears to, this broke over the weekend, have also posted in the Snapchat thread, boys come whip it out. So disgusting. And also they both did ketamine, according to the allegations at least. And they both wound up having sex with Jane Doe. So I think this combination of events got those two expelled.

And the other is suspended for a long time. The punishment wasn't like suspended for a week, Heather. It was for a couple of years, semesters, and then come back and years on probation. So, I mean, Cornell did take it very seriously. The men are not, however, in shackles and imprisoned for the rest of their lives. So the mob is unhappy accusing Cornell, Cornell of being pro-rapist. Well, if Cornell really believed that this was criminal rape, it should have demanded that it be prosecuted. That's, it's completely inexplicable.

You would not, again, I'm going to make a very old-fashioned distinction, Megan, between stranger rape and so-called acquaintance rape. And having sex with your classmates in a drunken, drug-fueled haze where they are, constantly asking, is this okay? And she says, yeah, that is not rape. And if Cornell believed it was, it should have gone to the police. And she gave her report. The Cornell police signed on to it. She signed on to it.

She made corrections. That was the time when she was closest to the event. We're always told believe survivors. The question is, when are you? are we supposed to believe survivors? Her initial set of statements said this was not criminal. She wrote back to one of the participants and said, you know, you and I know both. None of what we did, none of what happened here was criminal acts.

But we're not allowed to believe that because the rape industry has this marvelous heads I win till you lose logic where if a, if a, if a. so-called putative rape victim denies that she was raped. That merely means she was raped with all the more vigor and awfulness. It's only when she says I was raped when she deserves belief. But otherwise, it becomes this, it's unfalsifiable. You are not allowed to deny that you have been raped. And yes, that's so exactly right. It is a heads, I win, tails you lose situation. If they say rape from the beginning, the rape industrial complex is thrilled. If they say consent, consent, consent, they sick their little minions on you who absorb this stuff by osmosis, like the roommates who were like, this was a rape, it was a rape, it was a rape, your reputations ruined. And then finally, they browbeat you into your 180 and then they back you. They love bomb you. Yes.

Yes, you were raped. Say it over and over again. Right. And it's not just that. It's that. And you're absolutely right with all the coercive pressure. It's that the very fact that you're denying that there was a rape is itself proof that there was a rape. So there is- It's your trauma. There is literally no way to falsify the rape allegation. You would think one of these guys would have been kind of related. to get some of these text messages saying nothing illegal happened. I really enjoyed my time with you guys. I love you, King, attitudes about sex and sexuality. And I think the blacked out

word is effing because it was blacked out by the news media and they've only been blacking out the swears are changing. But I guess I'm just really open-minded. You know, the wanting to go back and party, eager to party with her alleged rapists, weeks after the fact, what she said, to her trite out big sister. People are saying, I'm a slut. Unfortunately, with a laugh, it's true. Ha ha. All of this has to be treated as trauma, Heather. This is trauma. And what's so infuriating is it is true that some people who are brutalized, some women who get absolutely brutalized by a man, will try initially to defend it, to normalize it so that they can, in their own mind, say, I haven't been raped. But I,

I have never seen a situation where for weeks on end, they're yucking it up. They're trying to get back together with their rapist. They're telling everyone who will listen that they're really just a slut and they have evolved attitudes on sex. On and on it goes, then they finally get to sit down with cops and they don't describe anything approaching a rape. Like, this is just, it's stretching the bounds of empathy and understanding from all of us who our nature instinct is neither to, believe women nor disbelieve them, but follow the facts. They're pushing us too far. Well, you know, the only happy news to come out of this whole preposterous and depressing event is the news that there is still such a norm on campus as promiscuity in being a slut. Who knew?

You know, I thought the whole purpose of the sexual revolution was to completely amoralized sex and anything goes. And it's encouraging, actually, that when this behavior got out, she was accused. Their classmates were accusing her of being a slut. They weren't saying rape. They were saying she was a slut. And that gave her pause and decided. And at one point, she said there was a text message between her and one of the males that said, boy, there's gang rape going on at the Kai Phi fraternity. And she wrote back with a set of question marks. Again, like, why?

What is this? She's both upset that the news is out, but also presumably expressing disagreement that this was some kind of rape going on. But in fact, the. idea of promiscuity is an extremely important one. The male libido, if you release it from traditional norms of chivalry, of sexual propriety, of protecting women, it will be extraordinarily crude and gross and aggressive. Females and males have different responses to sexual intercourse. They have different desires for sexual intercourse, and the idea of female modesty and chastity,

another completely taboo word these days, but yes, chastity was a thing, it was a norm, and it was extremely important to protecting women, those norms, and a marriage norm, the idea of you should wait until you're married to have sexual intercourse, those were all values that reflected a society that was more reality-based, that was more willing to state the truth about the male libido and its differences from the female libido. And if we could get back to that, those norms, rather than having this pretend that males and females are exactly identical in their sexual drives and their responses, their emotional and hormonal responses to intercourse, that would do a great, deal to ending this Bacchanal on campus that has no advantages.

You know, these kids should be at home staying, studying for their exams rather than these incredible drug-fueled orgies. And both sides come out very poorly. You know, if females, this is no, if this frat is viewed as a rape ground, as a place where women are destroyed with the second most important serious felony crime that is available. And they keep trooping to the damn frat house walking into a crime situation that is unknown across the globe. There is no crime on earth that has a 20 to 25 percent incidents, which is what the New York Times is today, recycled this completely phony statistic about one in five or one in four women will be sexually assaulted.

That is preposterous. The Detroit's crime rate for all four violent felonies, that's rape, murder, aggravated assault, and robbery is 2.4 for four violent felonies compared to 25% for rape alone. but if the women keep trooping there to this rape killing ground, they don't deserve to be in college. If they're too stupid to protect themselves, maybe they shouldn't be in college. But frankly, the males are idiots themselves because they should know by now they are in an environment that is desperate to hang them, that is desperate for any evidence that we live in a patriarchal culture and they will not get a fair shake from these kangaroo courts that were set up under Biden and Obama that gave no due process rights. They should know themselves, for God's sakes, act sensibly and take the girl you're interested in out on a date, walk her home, kiss her good night, and go to your own bed.

because otherwise, if you give in to your libido, you are putting your college career at jeopardy. Yeah. They're now at the point where they all have to do what I was told by a source, unconfirmed, but it was a good source. Derek Jeter did throughout his career with the Yankees, which was if you showed up at his, again, unconfirmed, sorry Derek Jeter, if this isn't true, but you would show up at his apartment, there'd be a guy standing there with a videotape saying, are you sober and hear of your own volition? Yes, I am. And then on the way out, same thing. If it wasn't done by Derek Jeter, it should have been. This is the point American men are at. You've got to get the consent on camera on the way in and on the way out or next thing you know,

you're one of the Cornell 7. Right. And as we know, even that won't work. Because the consent, there'll probably, there'll be some infinite regress where it's not just after the fact, you know, you say it was okay, but the consent itself will be seen as a very proof of trauma of trauma. So, you know, guys, here's the solution. And yes, I remember when we were really in the height of the campus rape frenzy in the 2000s and early 2010s, I think there was definitely talk of cameras and certainly consent forms. This is so ludicrous. I mean, the university is turning something that is primal, primeval, catholic, irrational, and then they lay on top of it this incredible series of consent rules as if this was a, you know, a commercial paper

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which is the Cornell president. All right, the Cornell president. Michael Kotlakov, who now is in a pretzel in his self-flagellation attempts, trying to verify every one of the worst claims being made about Cornell, as he apologizes to Jane Doe and all the offended women nationwide. Here's a sample in SOT 4. What happened to Jane Doe in 2024 is deeply disturbing and will weigh heavily on our community for years to come.

My heart aches when I think of what she experienced. We must do everything we can to prevent what happened to Jane Doe and everyone before her and anyone after her from ever happening again. This is a defining moment in Cornell's history. We must lead the way.

We owe it to Jane Doe and to survivors of assault to get this right. And we must keep each other safe. Sounds like he's super open-minded to letting the legal process play out in the courts, Heather. Well, no, but here's what I love, Megan. If he believes that, here's what you do. You can prevent this 100%.

Cornell and every other college can stop the alleged rape epidemic overnight by giving the following advice to females. Yes, we're going to empower females. to take care of their own safety. We're going to tell them, you do not drink 10 drinks in two different bars. And as a young female, I don't know what her body mass is, but, you know, unless she's massively obese, 10 drinks is a lot of alcohol. You do not go then and have a beer at the frat. And when you're offered ketamine.

At 11 o'clock at night. Yeah. So here's how you avoid getting raped. you don't get drunk, you don't get into bed with a guy you may or may not know, you don't take your clothes off. You go to a party, you dance, and you insist that you'd be walked home safely at night. That would stop the campus rape epidemic overnight. And when I have asked these overpaid, living off the fat of taxpayer tuition dollars, Title IX investigators, why don't you send a message of personal responsibility to females?

If you believe that there is this epidemic of the second most awful felony that a female can experience in her life going on, why don't you tell females how they can avoid it? and they will always respond, these Title IX investigators that present themselves as the guardians of female safety, they would always say, we would never do that because rape is never a woman's fault. Well, who cares? If you really believe this is rape, the most important thing is prevention. As the president just said, we want to prevent this from happening. Here's how you do it, because all of these encounters are completely predictable. they are within the volition of the female.

Is this putting too much pressure on the females to guard themselves? But I thought we were four strong females. In fact, the whole system that we've worked into is this bizarre recreation of the Chevalric episode because we hold the females completely irresponsible. They have no agency. And the males are responsible for female safety. They may be just as drunk as the female is, both voluntarily, but only the male is responsible for both himself and for the female. The females are just helpless virgin victims.

And then we carry it forward. The females who may or may not have been raped get to file in the courts anonymously, but the males get named and instantly found guilty. Then the media has an unwritten policy, on official policy, of not naming alleged rape victims because they don't want to add to her trauma, but they're happy to report the names of the accused because no one cares about their trauma. I'll tell you, Heather, I'm really having a difficult time with it. You know, I have confirmed this young woman's name from actual credible sources, not the online trolls who are. are out there pushing it. And I've been very much wrestling with, should I just say it? I don't answer to a news organization now. I answer to myself. I'm on the fence because I don't want any harm to come to her, additional harm. You know, I'm not trying to add a shitstorm to her life in

addition to the one she's created for herself. But I watch these guys twisting in the wind and think that's not fair. And I also think not saying it is a perpetuation of the dynamic that you are speaking about. Treating women as the fairer sex, as needing this protection. Even if she is a real rape victim, then she's a victim who deserves empathy. Why do we put her, like we were protecting identities because it was like, oh, the scorn of rape. What do you mean? The modern feminist should be saying there is zero scorn on the victim.

There is nothing wrong with saying her name. Well, it's a war on men. And I would, I, I, I, I sympathize with your dilemma. I'm not sure how I would come out. I, you know, I'd get consoled everybody in sight because my initial instinct is hell yes, revealed her name, uh, because this is just, it's sickening what's going to happen. We're, we're looking at another Derek Chauvin possibility of a, of a absolutely heart-wrenching miscarriage of justice. Um, but to have that all on your shoulders would be extremely. difficult. It's too bad there can't be some sort of agreement among the press to everybody to name her because, as you say, it's a totally unlevel playing field. But this whole campus rape epidemic is just another way to marginalize men. And another statistic that just shows how totally ludicrous this entire narrative is, the proportion of females in elite colleges or colleges generally keeps going up and up and up and up. Cornel was under 50% female in 2005, 20 years later, it's nearly 54% female and males are being disappeared. Another sign that females are possibly

too stupid to even belong in college if they keep trooping in, beating down the doors to be admitted to schools where they are allegedly in this complete rape killing fields. So the real purpose, this is not female safety because females, there's no more safe spot in America. Let's face it, than a college campus. The actual crime rates on college campuses is very low, including rape. but we're all supposed to pretend that, you know, it's this, it's this traumatic situation. Well, females and their mothers should be demanding single-sex schools where they can learn in safety, if this is really what's going on. What's really going on is just another way to push men out of civilization. It's the vengeance of the powerless, the vengeance of people who have not accomplished,

and the only thing they can do is tear things down. Yes, yes, who want to live in this patriarchy where men like the Cornell 7 have an obligation to protect the woman who's saying, we're all consenting adults here from the consequences of her own choices, have an obligation to be chivalrous, have an obligation to look out for her, not themselves,

even if she's saying, I want you, and I want this to say no, But then those same men cannot be patriarchal in any other aspect of American life whatsoever. They're even told now to open a door for a woman is a sexist act that is somehow treating her as less than. So you could forgive the men of America if they have zero idea what's actually expected of them. I mean, truly, you've got this woman. we talked on Friday about this Alex Earl, not Alex Cooper, who is the head of this podcast network and she hosts the Call Her Daddy podcast. All of her messaging, and I have no idea whether this Jane Doe listens to

Alex Cooper, but all of her messaging is go for anal on the first date. Yeah, if that's what you want, go for it. Kiss everybody. Have sex with them all on the first date. Do your thing, girl. That's her message of empowerment. And, but these guys are at the Cornell, Kai Phi house, Heather, I think there's a real possibility. They were like, there's one of those upstairs in the alumni room. Like when they received the message free P-word, sure they were curious. What the hell does that mean? And went up there to take a look. And what did they find? Not some girl crying, you know, saying, help me, but a girl who, in some instances, was under the covers. But then according

to the two defendants who came after that message were actually pulled over to her by her, that she was the initiator of the sex and that she at that point, it was later in the evening that she said, we're all just consenting adults here, it's fine. And then allegedly made the comment of, in medieval times, this was normal. And then after the fact, when we know she was sober, was making all the comments about how sex and sexuality and effing are just changing. You know, I'm just really open-minded. Love you, King. Like, why is it so implausible to the university president and others that they believed and that they, in fact, had an Alex Cooper type disciple upstairs? Well, colleges, again, are totally hypocritical. They pursue two different narratives simultaneously. On the one hand, you've got all the college sex weeks, and I'm sure Cornell has them, which is promoting female sexual empowerment.

and handing out instruction sheets on how to maximize your orgasm, and, you know, is completely unwilling to send any message of sexual modesty and restraint and abstinence. And then at the right next door, you've got the whole campus rape industrial complex that is dedicated to the idea that that consensual sex. should be viewed as rape. And the females are these helpless virgins. Now, I think we're maybe of different generations, Megan, you're slightly, you're more on the feminist scale than I am. I am not at all offended by the idea that males should be the guardians of females. I'm not offended by it either. No, I'm with you. Yeah. I want that. That's how I'm raising my boys. Right. There are documented differences in, frankly, rationality. There's obviously exceptions on all sides, but the averages are different. And again, the females are the weaker sex if you just want to look at physical capacity. Men could, we could live in an actual rape culture. They have the strength.

to do that. And it is norms that prevent that. And what prevents that is telling males that they are should treat females with care, with respect, based on a fundamental understanding of the differences between males and females. The 1960s, it gets very tiresome to repeat this, but sadly, it's a truth. And so, you know, you've got to sort of say, okay, I've got to repeat the truth again. The 60s got everything wrong. And the rise of the flower power liberation, sexual liberation, when you had for the first time in history, adolescents that were so culture had gotten, America had gotten so wealthy that adolescents had spending power for the first time. And they became empowered. And they started rewriting the rules and saying, we're going to have

maximal lust, unchalleled lust, and maximum freedom, and men and women are going to be absolutely identical in all things. That was profoundly ignorant about human nature. It threw aside thousands of years of collective wisdom on the part of civilization that understood profound differences between the male and female psyches, between the male and female libidos. And we've Since then, we really haven't recovered. As I say, the only positive sign of this is that the concept of slut still exists. And that's a very useful concept to keep a hold of. Indeed.

No, I married such a chivalrous man, and he and I are raising two chivalrous men. And I have a daughter, too. And what I, here's a split that's very interesting, Heather. We have our boys at an all-boys school and our daughter at an all-girls school. And our all-boys school this morning sent out a letter to all the parents about this case. And I found it generally unobjectionable because we're not at a woke school. And the school, the messaging was basically, this is a good opportunity to remind our boys, as we always do, to behave with honor and decency and respect. Right.

And the importance of consent. and it was not throwing the Cornell 7 under the bus at all. And I agreed with all those things that we're also raising the boys to think that. But did we get a similar note from our girls school saying we are reminding our girls to behave in their lives with honor and to respect consent? And dare I say, chastity or something approaching just self-respect when it comes to human sexuality. I mean, truly, we're not going to get that letter. If anything, they're probably teaching them about how evil the boys are and how this is what can happen.

You know, like these evil boys are out there and you better watch out for them as opposed to no. I mean, we sat down with all three of our kids and talked about this case in a way that was very objective on the facts. And our kids had the same takeaways that you and I have had here. Personal responsibility for all involved. Right. And, you know, if we really want to go out on the limb and brand ourselves as Neanderthals, You can also just question the whole culture of consent, which says that anything goes. There's no, you can't make moral judgments about any behavior as long as there's consent.

And I'm enough of a product of modern times that, yeah, okay, I could probably go along with that. On the other hand, here's another possibility that there's some behaviors that you can consent to all you want, and they're still depraved. There's still a violation of human dignity, and they're going to have emotional consequences that you should probably avoid. And arguably, this type of group sex is one of those. You and I agree, and the record is absolutely clear that this was consensual. And the district attorney, who's now being vilified, he was a noble man. He took this case seriously and he made the right judgment. And as you said last week, it's a tragedy that he is being railroaded into reopening it.

And now it's even more of a tragedy, as you said last week, that Letitia James has taken over with her clear prejudice in advance. But again, you know, this is something that we could all avoid by realizing that there are. there is a virtue to sexual modesty before marriage and that we have the power to enforce those norms and people have the power to avoid situations that are then going to just be fed in as more fodder into the whole anti-male complex, which is now taken over the entire West. Yeah. I really think, you know, maybe I should just be doing a hard push for no sex before marriage, which is what my church would say. But my own realistic, I think, more realistic ask is don't have sex with somebody you're not in love with.

Like be in a loving relationship with a person. And this won't happen to you. It really won't. Like, I mean, some crazed woman who's like in a custody battle sometimes accuses a husband of this. But 99% of the times if you are in a loving, you're in a loving. relationship where the both of you are loving and committed to one another. This won't happen to you. It's not that hard. And certainly don't be having sex with a stranger, which is what she did. Right. She, the guy, it's undisputed. You heard it on the ABC phone call. How about a threesome?

And you said yes. And she said in writing, I really enjoyed that my time with you and John, Jonathan knew all this guy. So like she, or Jonathan was one she was writing to her. She said, you and Matt really enjoyed that one. So it's like, all right, don't have sex with strangers. You're ever. Everyone involved is setting themselves up for a disaster. And indeed, the disaster is here. Now, on the issue of the numbers, I played the summit of the Cornell University student claiming that the stats are up at 35%. We actually looked.

Cornell sent out a survey to its own students. And it was in 2025. So it was before all this. And apparently almost nobody filled it out. There was like very little interest. If this is such a big problem, Heather, they weren't exactly running. to fill out the survey. They sent out, they said, let's see, thousands of it, 6,000 to the undergraduate, graduate, graduate, and professional students at Cornell. They had 926 responses. Only 757 actually filled out

more than one question. Okay. So I'm getting the feeling it's not the epidemic Cornell would have us believe. But still the headline is that 30, this is ABC reporting, 35% of Cornell undergraduate women reported having been sexually assaulted. And then we get this from same university president who cannot stop himself. Again, Michael Kutnikov with the virtue signaling that he's going to lead the rape reform, even though there's allegedly a 35% rape rate at Cornell. Watch. We also need to be the author of our own future as an institution.

At the appropriate time, we will speak in greater detail about how Cornell will use this moment, this conversation, this anger to help lead the broader effort to combat sexual assault, not only on our campus, but beyond it. Cornell has extraordinary resources and expertise. We will bring them to bear, building respect for each other as human beings, understanding the factors that lead to this behavior and the interventions that make They're going to lead the broader effort against sexual assault, Heather. Well, what more can they do?

I mean, this actually also gives me hope because there's nothing more they can do. They've already got the apparatus. They've already got the counselors and, you know, all these schools have set up these rape crisis hotlines. And it's the exact same thing as the survey here. Nobody calls them. You know, they're like waiting and said, please call it. I want to hear about a rape. And nobody calls them because the students have a little.

core of connection to reality despite the efforts of the education complex to sever them completely from reality. But if he wants to take a next step and prevent this alleged tsunami of rape, here's another rule. Like have chaperones at the parties really enforce drinking rules and make people come in and sign in and sign out of their dorms. No visit. You know, again, we had same rules. We had rules that said no males in a female dorm and vice versa, because we were sane about the male libido. And we've forgotten about that or we're saying, well, the female libido is just as voracious.

It is not. So I don't know what remains to Cornell or any other university because they have. They can go single sex. Exactly. They have bureaucratized this up the one. And, you know, I'd also like to know the details of that survey because the way the general number was the first time that came out, Ms. Magazine published this survey from an Arizona State University Researcher Mary Koss that came up with the one and four statistic that was so shocking. And the way she did it, she found that if you ask females directly, were you raped? They say no.

And so what she said, well, I'm going to ask a series of questions, did this happen? Did this happen? Did this happen? And I will then reassemble the description of the event to come up with rape. And that's how she got the number. Well, then if you go back and ask the females that she classified as rape victims, were you raped? 73% said, no, I wasn't. And about 45% went back and had sex again with the people that cops. classified as they're rapists. Again, this is inconceivable. Here's a rape. I write about Temple University. I had one. A guy, a criminal, breaks into your room at night. You've never seen him in your life. He's from the cities, from the streets. He holds a knife at your throat, and he rapes you. And you're telling me that in 43% of females that experienced that are going to go have sex with that guy again? Of course not. So I would love to know. And even, Heather, I'll take it one step closer to where the feminist would argue it.

Even you have a guy, you're on the first date, you go back to his house, his dorm with him. You're fooling around on the couch, but you don't want sex. So you fool around a little. He's pushing for sex. You say no. He puts his hand over your mouth. He holds you down. He pulls down your pants, your underwear, and he forcibly penetrates you.

That's rape. That's what we would call date rape or acquaintance rape. You would never go see him again. There would not be a second trip back to his dorm. Every woman on earth knows this. But this young woman, I really enjoyed my time. I'm eager to return to all of these guys at the Kai Phi House. Let me read you what we know about the questionnaire.

We couldn't find the actual questions. They weren't available. But regarding the 35% non-consensual sexual content, text stat, which is now blown up into 35% of the women at Cornell have been raped is as follows. Student were asked about their direct experiences with non-consensual sexual contact while at Cornell. This contact was defined as it starts off well, including penetration, vaginal or anal penetration or oral contact, including attempted acts involving physical force, comma. Also, kissing and or sexual touching. Kissing, touching someone's breast.

chest, crotch, groin, or buttocks, grabbing, groping, or rubbing against the other in a sexual way, and or choking or strangulation. Okay, that middle little stint there describes pretty much every night of my cocktail waitressing experience in college. I like, good luck not having somebody rub up against you in the crowded college bar while they're trying to get a drink. Half of it, more, is completely inadvertent. The other half may be a drunken attempt to come on. most women roll their eyes and keep walking. Now it's categorized into the rape stats that should make you run from Cornell because more than one third of the populace there has been raped, according to the young co-ed we heard.

Well, it's not just behavior in a drunken bar. It's male behavior, period. They are the aggressors. They're sexual aggressors. And unless there's either a very strong social norm to say you don't do that or a female who, is absolutely saying this is not acceptable, that's going to happen. They're trying to figure out they have a goal. We know what that goal is. And unless they're getting very strong signals, they're going to pursue it. Now, again, this gets to the absurdity of overlaying this bizarre

legal code onto something that is the most primeval of all instincts. It is true that if you're a female in that situation and a male is being sexually aggressive with you, you can feel embarrassed. You can feel ambivalent. You can feel, well, I don't want to acknowledge this is going on in order to say no, because you're in a nonverbal realm of messages in either direction. And so females, you're inhibited in that situation. You're embarrassed. That's why we have. had bright line rules don't get in this situation. And I would say in response to your, you know, theoretical rule of don't have sex unless you're in love with somebody, that's also not quite bright-linish about because a lot of girls may be thinking,

wistfully, wishfully, oh, I'm really in love with this person. And this girl texted, I love you, King. Right. And there's been no commitment. And then the guy, you know, you see him the next day and he's chatting with his fellow male friends. And he doesn't have that emotional hormonal pain that females have after coitus. It creates a completely different emotional bond with their sex partner than males do. And so that's when they're going to regret it and think, gee, you know, this was a

terrible interaction. The easiest rule is a very bright line rule, but I agree it's going to be, it's impossible to go back to at this point. Just wait. You know, wait until you really know you're in love because you've gotten married. And you, I mean, at a minimum, you know, you're exclusive to each other, you're committed to each other. Like, it shouldn't be, it shouldn't be ambiguous. There's a way of making it non-ambiguous. Now there are some nut cases on the far left feminist sect who are blaming this whole thing. Wait for it. Trump. No, I didn't want to see that coming.

Oh, I'm so unimaginable. Oh, my God. You must be off of your game today, Heather. Come on. You knew that's where this would land. Let me give you two examples. So there's this one woman named Sandy Basham. She's a New York-based independent video journalist, or so she says.

She filmed Occupy Wall Street, Charlottesville, Unite the Right rally in January 6th, other events that she could use to tar write wingers as evil. And she posted to X the following video. And then I will give you the explanation for her video. Here it is, Sot, 12. Patriarchy is our judge. Themicide. Get the gist. No, I don't. Please, please explain. What in the world was I seeing there? Was that a protest about this Cornell case? No. So it was a protest from those covering the Harvey Weinstein trial that the videographer re-upped right now in honor of Jane Doe.

And obviously what has happened to her as she covers it and says that she when this happened the first time she turned around at the Harvey Weinstein trial and started crying. And now they're saying she says two years ago, seven members of a Cornell. fraternity raped a 20-year-old woman for seven hours with no accountability. It's been 10 years since grab them by the P-word to now the Cornell free P-word upstairs with 57 young men. These boys were 10 years old when they first heard this. And then the Epstein case broke. We are teaching a generation. They can do this with impunity. And she's not the only one. Here's the New York Times Michelle Cottle on ABC this week. Watch. It's a fundamental disrespect for women. You can't send those messages, no matter how drunk

you are as a frat boy, without having some kind of misunderstanding about what women are there for and whether this is a real person you're dealing with. And that, I think, starts, you know, we can go to the president for this one. I mean, we are in a moment in this culture where the glorification of being thuggish and swaggering and mistreating. women is kind of making you a cool kid. It's Trump's fault. I mean, males just walk away. You know, males, be smart.

Don't get yourself in these situations because you're dealing with a bunch of hysterical females that cannot be trusted to be able to reason logically and hold, you know, the consequences of certain claims about female empowerment. and then female victimhood. None of it makes sense. The whole campus rape alleged epidemic began in the 2000s under President Obama. And, you know, that's why we got rid of any shred of due process on campus because the feminist harpies were saying, well, we're not convicting enough males.

So we're not going to allow males in these tribunals to confront their accuser, because allegedly females are so delicate that if they see their alleged rapist in court and he asks them questions, they'll just melt away completely. So we're going to throw out 500 years of probably the most great evolution of civilizational accomplishment in human history,

which are the rules of due process, of cross-examination, of being able to confront your accuser. All these rules were thrown out under Obama. because the alleged campus rape epidemic was this great. So this is a completely phony history, and females are being liberated from any expectation of rationality. And males, again, don't allow yourself, don't walk into the trap.

If females can't be counted on at this point to exercise the most basic level of self-protectual, of not going to those frat parties, not drinking themselves blotto, which they do precisely in order to lower their sexual inhibitions, because they're told that, you know, they've got to be mono-a-mano with males in their sex drive. For the males, be the smart, you know, live up to what we think you should be, be the smart ones, and just get, do not walk into this trap because the trap is being set for you. Yeah, you just ask the Coronel 7, ask any of the men who have been dragged through Obama's Dragnet for the past 15 years whose lives were ruined with no evidence. And when evidence came out completely exonerating the men, the universities were impervious to it. They didn't want to hear it. They didn't care.

They were happy to let the guys hang. I mean, it was just, it's been a very rough 15 years for men on college campuses, thanks to Barack Obama. 100%. Heather, thank you for speaking truth. You are one of my North Stars. I'm just so grateful for you in your voice. Thank you. Thank you so much. It's been great, Megan. I love talking to you. Oh, God, Heather McDonald. We're so lucky to have her. Listen to anything she says, read everything she writes. You will be so enriched for the experience. Okay, we'll be back in a minute. You might already own a firearm, but what if you could start with less lethal methods? Is there someone in your home who doesn't feel comfortable using a firearm? Maybe this is for them.

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Hey everyone, it's me, Megan Kelly. I've got some exciting news. I now have my very own channel on Sirius X-M. It's called the Megan Kelly channel, and it is where you will hear the truth, unfiltered with no agenda, and no apologies. Along with the Megan Kelly show, you're going to hear from people like Mark Halperin, Link Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily Dershinsky, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear Politics, and many more. It's bold, no BS news only on the Megan Kelly channel, SiriusXM 11, and on a Sirius XM app. We've got a lot of other news that we want to get to today, so let's do that. I want to start with the horror that is happening with one of my favorite films, and maybe one of your favorite films or stories, too, sense and sensibility.

Of course, by Jane Austen, the great movie back in 2002 was it. Oh, no, it was 1995, actually. Directed by Ang Lee, starring Emma Thompson and Kate Winslet was second to none. It was such a great cinematic experience. And it's going to be very tough to redo it anyway. Hugh Grant, there's just a cast of standouts there, Hugh Lorry. And that is actually who I want to talk to you about. Hugh Lorry as Mr. Palmer in the Angley version of the Jane Austen classic written in 1811.

Hugh Lorry played Mr. Palmer, who was married to a very obnoxious, shrill woman, and they happened to host Miss Marianne, played by Kate Winslet, when she was in a moment of distress, stressed out by the collapse of her relationship with one of the stars of the story, Mr. Willoughby. She basically made herself, literally made herself sick over the fact that something catastrophic happened in their relationship, read the book, watch the movie. In any event, Hugh Lorry played this role, which is not a major part, but it's people who've seen the movie or read the book know who I'm talking about. And Hugh Lorry of House fame played the part to perfection. He's irascible.

He's sarcastic. He's kind of not likable until Miss Marianne, Kate Winslet, goes into distress and then he comes through and you soften on him a bit. But here's just a little reminder of how Hugh Lorry played the character of Mr. Palmer. Oh, if only this rain would stop. Only you would stop. "'Twas you took her off my hands, Mr Palmer, "'and a very good bargain you made of it, too. "'And now I have the whip-hand over you,

"'for you cannot give her bad. "'Miss Dashwood, if only Mr. Willoughby had gone home to Coombe Magna, "'we could have taken Miss Marriamter's scene, "'for we live but half a mile away. "'Five and a half. "'No, I cannot believe it is that far, "'but you can see the place in the proper biohap? "'Is it really five and a half?

"'No, I cannot believe it. "'I try. Well, I was excited for the new reboot. I don't feel about sense and sensibility the way I do about Willy Wonka, where I will never see a reboot. And I actually even texted it to Doug saying, hey, this is coming up. Let's go see this. And then I heard this. The part of Mr. Palmer will not be played by a mister. It's going to be played by a trans actor female to male. and it's the nepo baby of Sting and Trudy Stiler, who goes by Vavem and its 36-year-old Elliot Sumner, who is really not an Elliot, probably an Ellie by the birth name, who knows.

But this is a girl. It's a woman. This is a woman who they cast to play a male role as a they-them in 1811 England. What the F? And here's what Spiked wrote about it. A non-binary nepo baby has ruined the new sense and sensibility. They write, it's not just her high-pitched voice, that's the problem. As soon as her face filled the screen, writes the author, I was distracted by how pretty she was.

It's a man. She has fine, delicate features that even the most handsome male actor could never hope to match. Here's a bit of the actor, Elliot Sumner, Nepo Baby of Sting and Trudy Stiler. Right? Do we have it from the movie? Is that what we have?

Just looking. Now we don't. We just have a full-screen picture. Is that all we have? Oh, too bad. So we will not be able to play the actual voice for you, unfortunately. But I will tell you what we have,

which is the name of the director of this reboot, and it's Georgia of, Oakley. Georgia Oakley is a Brit. Georgia Oakley directed as her debut. Now, I've got to say Georgia looks little, they, them to me. She directed her debut film in, is it, Blue Seas, Blue Seam, which follows a closeted phys ed teacher navigating through life under Margaret Thatcher's homophobic legislation in England. We do have a clip of that. Do we not? Yep. Here it is.

You do realize that the fill out of tellies this year to distract us from what's really going on. Not everything is political. Of course it is. Here at home, there's been another big demonstration against Clause 28, which seeks to stop councils from promoting homosexuality.

I've been saying this is a good idea for years. Young people have such vulnerable minds. What's wrong? You look stressed. I don't want my students so I never have a part of my life. A part of your life? If anyone found out, I'd never work again. The gay and lesbian lifestyle is not natural or normal and it never will be.

What I don't get is how two girls are actually... I just ignore them. So are you dead? I'm not talking about me. What kind of example are you sitting for her? Just because you don't parade my sexuality around like a badge of honour. Does that girl ever going to learn that she has a place in this world? Or she thinks she has a place in this world?

You're the one with the problem. Not me. This isn't a game. Lois, it's me life. Okay. So that was Blue Gene, her directorial debut. And Georgia really wants you to know she's queer. Okay, she's queer, folks.

And that representation is super important to her. She's a British woman who's known for championing fresh, diverse voices. And then we are told this in an interview she gave to the mirror in 2023. Representation is vital. So many queer people I know can trace their job. journey of self-discovery back to a film or TV show they watched when they were a teenager. But there's been so little representation of queer women. When I was growing up, there was a complete lack of queer role models on screen.

And I was particularly aware of never having seen a lesbian relationship that spoke to my own experience. Oh, tell it to Oprah. I wanted to see a couple who are very much in love sitting on a sofa, watching TV in their tracksuits and having a laugh. I think it's important for audiences to see that because that's the reality for so many of us, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. The fact that we live in a world where white heteronormativity is seen as the norm means that anyone who just sits outside of that will

be able to relate to Jean's journey in this film, Blue Gene. So this is the woman who cast a woman as Mr. Palmer in an 1811 story about the ladies in Sense and Sense and Sensibility. It is outrageous, it is ridiculous, and it is offensive. I'm just so sick of this shit. Aren't you so sick of this shit? God, God, just so sick of it. Sick of the nonsense. Okay, let's keep going. Unfortunately, we had a story about, all right, wait, standby. Where is this one? This poor guy who got hired as an announcer for this sports team. Okay, stand by. My God, where is it? I have so many good stories for you. I can see the clock. I'm running at a time. I might have to carry over a little bit today because I've just got to get to this. Okay. The Portland Trailblazers. I have no idea who that is. But they hired a new play-by-play announcer. And the same day they hired him, some intrepid local reporter uncovered archived tweets that this guy sent out when he was 15 years old. which is 14 years ago. He's 29 now. This is the entirety of the tweets. I'm not racist at all,

but not going to lie. Asian people piss me off. Ha ha ha. Honest. That's him. Hashtag honest. November 30th, 2012. Got to give a shout out to all the big girls out there and those closet whores. Come on. This is kind of funny. February 13th, 2013. We got a slut alert on Isle 10. I mean, who's to say? We don't know what he was looking at. February 24th, 2013. Girls these nights.

SMH. What does that stand for again? Shaking my head. Hashtag, Thirsty for the D. For this, this guy, Braden Bell got fired. This is so ridiculous. He did.

He got fired instantly. Thanks to the intrepid reporter who, covered his highly offensive tweets. The trailblazers would like us to know that they have zero tolerance for racist, sexist, or harmful comments. It's in clear violation of team and league policies as well as our values and expectations. Therefore, we will not be moving forward with this broadcaster.

The play-by-play role carries a long legacy of excellence on the broadcast and in character, and we hold that standard without exception, writes Bell apologizing online, the perpetrator here on X. I'm deeply sorry for the language I used on Twitter. These tweets while wrong were written by me 14 years ago while I was only 15. I have no reflection of who I am today. I do not take lightly any harm it causes. Now, this won't help you, sir.

I'm apologizing anybody hurt by my words. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is absurd. And can I tell you I've been thinking about this in connection with the Cornell case? I didn't see any gang rapes at Syracuse, thank God, or gang bangs or threesomes or anything like that. But it was the 80s and into 90s. And there was definitely a lot of course talk, like,

apropos of that Snapchat discussion, whatever you're going to, how you want to refer to it, that those guys were having. I mean, very vile, crude talk that I remember at fraternity parties, at regular parties, you know, just around college age men. And it wasn't great. It was, you know, I would say back then we just rolled our eyes and moved along. And the guys themselves, for the record, who would speak like that from time to time, I can testify to. We're not all bad.

I actually knew a lot of them and became friends with a lot of them. They were just moronic young guys who got caught up in a culture of like, you know, testosterone and bro talk. It didn't mean anything. It really didn't. And I feel bad in a way when we are, you know, completely castigating these guys for having the stupid-ass decision-making to put those same kinds of comments down in writing, I don't think those boys really wanted a gang rape or even a gang bang up there for all these guys to go up there and actually to just whip it out. I really, I don't think that. I think they behave like

idiots and wrote down a bunch of drunken comments that are now coming back to haunt them. And unfortunately, all of our kids in today's day and age are growing up in a time when all of their moronic thoughts are posted online and we'll come back to haunt them. It's both their potentially their downfall and their protection against a downfall because everybody's posting their whole lives. In any event, this poor kid does not deserve to lose his job at age 29 for stuff he tweeted out when he was 15, which wasn't even that. Maybe there was some Asian in his life, pissing him off. I'll bet my Asian friends don't do not give a shit about this at all. Come on, lighten up trailblazers.

Of course, it's Portland. So what are you going to do? All right, I actually will, I'm going to save the rest because we got to run and I don't have enough time to get into it. I want to tell you that I am going to be off tomorrow. I am going to see somebody I love very much who I haven't seen in a while. And I'm taking the day to go be with that person. But coming up later this week, we're going to have James Woods. We're going to have our pals from National Review who have been writing great pieces about the Cornell 7 and everything. The midterms are coming up, and the news is looking a little scary.

There actually was a very interesting New York Times podcast today outlining how the Democrats are doing better in red states you would never expect to go their way like Ohio, Texas, and Kansas. And they're doing worse in certain blue states like Maine and Michigan, where you would expect them to do well. So God only knows what's going to happen in these midterms. We'll talk about it with NR. And Matt Taibi joins us. bit later this week as well. We'll see you then. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

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