The Megyn Kelly Show - The Missing Intern & The Congressman: The Man in the Park — Ep. 4 | MK Confidential

Episode Date: August 7, 2026

“MK Confidential" opens on the evening of May 14th, 2001. Thirty-year-old lawyer Halle Shilling ties back her hair, grabs her yellow Walkman, and drives down to Rock Creek Park for a run. In the parking lot near the old Peirce Mill, a young man sits on a curb, watching her start her jog. Minutes later he is behind her and closing, and then he has her off the trail and down in the trees. There is a knife. She screams, and twists, and works her fingernails into the soft flesh under his tongue until he lets go and runs. Halle Shilling saves her own life less than a mile from the spot where, two weeks earlier, Chandra Levy disappeared.   Megyn Kelly follows the case as its focus shifts away from the congressman and onto the man in the park. A geographic profiler spreads a map of Rock Creek Park across a table and marks every attack on a lone woman in the spring of 2001. They cluster on one isolated stretch of trail. Then they stop — all at once, the week a nineteen-year-old day laborer named Ingmar Guandique is arrested on those same trails and taken to jail. He is already serving ten years for attacking Halle Shilling and another runner, Christy Wiegand. No one working the Levy case has ever seriously looked at Guandique.   Detectives fly to a California prison and bluff that they have his DNA on Chandra's things. He does not say he never met her. He says: so what if I touched her. Prison guards find a photograph of Chandra Levy in Guandique’s cell, clipped from a magazine, kept beside his bed. It is still not enough to charge a man with murder. What finally is enough is a cellmate named Armando Morales, who says Guandique confessed to murdering Chandra. Morales tells the jury he has never been an informant in his life; the jury says Guandique is “guilty.” Neither of those statements will stand the test of time. This is Episode 4 of the Chandra Levy story.   Home Title Lock: Go to https://hometitlelock.com/megyn and use promo code MEGYN to get a FREE title history report and a FREE TRIAL of their Triple Lock Protection   Supersure Insurance: Upgrade your business insurance to a year-round SuperAgency at https://Supersure.com/Megyn   Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:   YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly   Twitter: https://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow   Instagram: https://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow   Facebook: https://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow   
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On the evening of May 14, 2001, Hallie Schilling ties back her blonde hair, grabs her yellow walkman, and drives down to Rock Creek Park for a run. She is 30, a journalist, athletic, 5'10, and she has been running for nearly 20 years. She is not a woman who rattles easily. In the parking lot near the old Pierce Mill, she notices a young Hispanic man sitting on a curb watching her. He makes her uncomfortable. But men stare at Hallie, she thinks, and she starts on her jog anyway. She heads up an empty trail that vanishes into the trees.

Near the rise above the creek, the sun disappears behind the clouds. It feels ominous. Enough so that she picks up a stick off the ground for protection, but it's rotten and she tosses it back. Then she realizes the Hispanic man is jogging behind her, closing facts. She keeps looking back over her shoulder, and he is always there. She speeds up, he speeds up. She slows down. He's still there.

Then he sprints and closes the distance, grabbing her, and throws her off the path and down into the trees. He has a knife. His arms lock around her neck, and something in Halley flips like a switch. Two things hit her mind at once. The first is that the traffic on Beach Drive across the creek is loud enough to bury any sound she makes. No one will hear her scream. The second is a decision.

There is no way she's going to let this man have her without a fight. A huge fight. She goes berserk. She screams, she twists, and she sees the flash of the knife. He tries to shush her. And that more than the knife blade is what enrages her. Years before, Hallie Schilling took a self-defense class. The thing she has never forgotten is the instructor's helper, a man in a padded rubber suit who stood there in body armor at the end of each session and let the students hit him so they would know what it feels like to strike another human being. On the ground in Rock Creek Park, that feeling comes back to Hallie. She goes for his eyes, Mrs.

Then works a hand into his mouth and digs her fingernails into the soft flesh under his tongue. He bites down on her fingers hard. but she is already tearing loose when to her own shock he turns and runs off the way he came. Hallie is up and she is running up the slope. She makes her way to the Park Police Station with help from two other runners

she meets minutes after she breaks loose. She walks into the station house wild-haired and the officers move at once. A wall of police rushes out under the trail after the man with the knife. It is fast and fast. and professional. The one thing that needles her, Hallie will write later, is that the officer taking her statement keeps calling her over the radio, the victim. She fought, she thinks, and she is

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The first female jogger, the one who was attacked about 700 yards from where Levy's body was found, said she saw one D.K in the Pierce Mill parking lodge. And if you look at where Shander Levy lived, the line of the line of the line of the logical route would have taken her right through the Pierce Mill parking line. For a year, the search for Chandra Levy points at a congressman. But while the whole country watches Gary Condit, something else is happening on the trails of Rock Creek Park. That spring, in a sudden burst, a man is attacking women in the park, one after another. Yet somehow no one connects any of it to Chandra. One of the women he grabs will tell

her story in public. Hallie Schilling. The runner at the start of the episode is a journalist. And in the spring of 2002, she publishes a first-person account of her attack in the Washington Post, describing how that self-defense class saved her life on a Rock Creek Park Trail. Polly does not name the man who came at her with a knife because of the time no one has connected him to anything larger. What she writes is that these days she sticks to a gym treadmill instead of the park trail. but takes comfort in one thing. The man who attacked her is off the streets.

He was caught weeks later after he went after another woman, Christy Wygand, near the same stretch of trail, and the park police tied the two attacks together. On May 22, 2002, five weeks after Halle's essay runs in the post, a man walking his dog finds a human skull in Rock Creek Park, half a mile from where Hallie was in,

attacked. The connection is not lost on her. She reads the coverage and understands, that could have been me. It is not lost on reporters either. Guandike's name has surfaced in Roll Call, the newspaper that covers Capitol Hill. Reporters pull the court file, find the names of the women he attacked, and dig through databases until they turn up Hallie's article. They are on her doorstep within days. The detectives working Shandra Levy's Murder are not. For the seven years after reporting her attack from 2001 to 2008, Hallie Schilling waits for a call from the D.C. police, a call that does not come.

And cannot understand why the detectives on the most notorious murder in the city seem so uninterested in a woman who survived an attack in the same park two weeks after Shandra vanished. It is not until December 2008. after the Washington Post's 13-part series, Who Killed Shandra Levy, forces the case back open that the Levy detectives come to Hallie Schilling. They bring her into Rock Creek Park

and walk with her up the trail to the spot where the man attacked her, and she takes them through it. Her father stands a few feet away, silent. As he watches, he finds himself shaking with anger, understanding for the first time how close he came to losing his daughter. The next day, investigators call Halley before a grand jury, weighing whether to charge Guandiki

with Chandra Levy's murder. Hally's own attack had been prosecuted years earlier. Now prosecutors want the jury to hear what Guandique did to another woman on those same trails. More than seven years after Halle escaped him, D.C. detectives and the prosecutor apologize for never interviewing her as part of the Levy investigation. One investigator shakes his head and says he cannot believe Gary Condit was ever a suspect. That summer of 2002, after Chandra's remains are found, an FBI agent named Brad Garrett

and a D.C. detective named Jim Trainum bring a geographic profiler into the case, a man named Kim Rosmo, whose studies where violent crimes happen and what the pattern of their locations can tell you about the perpetrator. Kim's really good at looking at a crime scene and helping you understand what is it about the scene that kind of contributed to the crime occurring at that location.

Rosmoe lays out a map of Rock Creek Park and marks the attacks on lone women from the spring of 2001. For me, one of the most important early questions was how common are these attacks in Rock Creek Park? We took a look at the data from the Park's police about their crimes in 18-month period living up to there and it was very clear that primes of this nature were just so rare. One stretch of the park lights up, an isolated run of trail near the Pierce Mill. The attacks cluster there over a matter of weeks. Then they stop all at once. They stop the week

a single man is arrested on those trails and taken to jail. That man is already in prison. He has been since the summer of 2001, serving 10 years for attacking Hallie Schilling and Christy Weigand in Rock Creek Park. A man at whom no one working the Levy case has ever seriously looked. His name is Ingmar Gwandae. Rosmoe says a violent offender is not random. He tends to strike where he feels safe on ground he knows. We break a crime down to its constituent parts. So for a murder, we're going to have an encounter, the place where the offender first sees the victim. Then we're going to have the point where he first attacks her. Then we have the actual murder scene itself.

Then finally, we have where the body gets disposed of. So Rosmo takes a hard look at Rock Creek Park. Years later, he will lay out what he found in a documentary on Chandra Levy for investigation discovery. Rosmo goes to the attack scenes, three of them, Chandra's and the two women who lived. Each is the same kind of place, a secluded spot, near a ravine or a steep bank hidden from the trail behind dense brush.

Each of the women had been carrying a walkman. The Hispanic man demanded nothing and took nothing. No money, no jewelry. To Rosmo, these are not robberies. They are attempted sexual assaults. And he comes to believe the same thing was done to Chandra Levy. Look at how remote this is. It's quiet.

There aren't any other witnesses. So this is an ideal spot for a predator to attack somebody. When Rosmo lays the attacks out by date, they fall into a tight cluster in the spring of 2001 on that one isolated stretch of trail near the Pierce Mill. Holly Schilling attacked in mid-May two weeks after that. A man exposing himself to a massage therapist on the same ground that same month.

Christy Wyganne pulled into a ravine on the 1st of July, and then nothing. The attacks end. completely the week the man is caught. We took a look at the location where Sean's body was found and then we looked at the locations where the attacks on the two female joggers had occurred. There's no one else around.

Attacks like that in the park are really rare. And when you've got three of them in a very short time period, that calls for them to be looked at as being connected crimes. We know that he lived just to the east of Rock Creek Park and there were no similar attacks after the arrest him. It made Juan Diki stand out like a neon sign. He had to be considered a viable suspect and needed to be explored further. There is one more thing the map shows.

The place where the man attacked Halle Schilling is about half a mile from the ravine where Chandra's remains are found. Seven weeks after those remains turn up, in July of 2002, Levy detectives finally walked the ground or Hallie fought free. And they put it in their investigative report in plain words, quote, this site is easy walking distance from the Levy crime scene. So what do we know

about the man already in prison? Juan Dica came to the United States illegally from El Salvador. He made his way through Mexico. He swam across the Rio Grande into Texas. He made his way to Houston. And then he made his way to Washington, D.C. He's got a family in El Salvador that's deeply impoverished.

He was born in 1981 in the early years of El Salvador's Civil War, which takes his father before he's born. When Guandike's mother is three months pregnant, his father is killed by a government death squad. The boy grows up in a house with a dirt floor. His mother remarries, and Guandiki will later say his stepfather and mother beat him. He struggles in school and drops out in the seventh grade. At 14, he is working in the fields. Now, in Washington, D.C., Guantique is 19 and takes whatever work a man without papers can find, and for a while holds it together.

But not for long. He drinks heavily. He smokes marijuana and snorts cocaine when he can get it. He drifts from job to job. By the time the D.C. detectives come looking for him. Guandiki has been in and out of the prison system for years, moving from one facility to the next. In one prison, he mails obscene drawings to a woman he's never met. In another, he exposes himself to the female guards.

Somewhere along the way, he joins MS-13, the violent Salvadoran gang. This is the man to whom Rosmo's map keeps pointing back. Then there is the 1st of May 2001. On the day Chandra Levy vanishes, Guandique does not show up for work. Days later, his landlady sees him with a fat lip, a bloody eye, scratches at his throat. She asks him what happened? He tells her he got in a fight with his girlfriend that she hit him. The landlady doesn't believe him because she knows they broke up, and his girlfriend is small.

Whoever did this fought back hard. 17 months later, in October of 2002, a pair of snipers begins shooting people out of the back of a car across the Washington, D.C. area. Spoiler alert, we are covering this story on MK Confidential soon. The FBI pulls Brad Garrett off the Levy case to help hunt the D.C. snipers. The press goes too. The Levy case recedes once again. Guandique sits in prison for the two park attacks.

No one is building a murder case against him. Law enforcement is not focused on Chandra Levy and her. case goes cold again. Five years later, the Chandra Levy case is revived thanks to a new police chief and a newspaper. Charles Ramsey is gone, replaced by Kathy Lanier. In 2007, soon after she takes over, Lanier meets Susan Levy at police headquarters. When Susan holds out her hand, Lanier hugs her instead and comes out of the meeting vowing to solve the Chandra case. One of the two original detectives has retired. Lanier removes the other, Ralph Durant, and hands the case to two veterans, Todd Williams and Anthony Brigadini. The new detectives pull Chandra's

clothing and Guandike's as well out of the evidence lockers and send both for the DNA testing no one had run in 2001. And they start monitoring Guandike's mail and phone calls from prison. When the results come back, the DNA does not establish a tie between Guandike and Chandra. The testing that was supposed to break the case wide open, hands them nothing they can put in front of a jury. What finally shakes the case loose is a newspaper. When you sign your insurance policy for some brokers, that's the finish line. Handshake, commission, buy. Then you may not hear from them again until it's time for renewal.

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In the summer of 2008, the Washington Post runs a 13-part investigation. who killed Shandra Levy by Sari Horowitz, Scott Higgum, and Sylvia Moreno. Not enough attention was being paid to a suspect who was hiding in plain sight. The series clears Gary Condit and names Guandique as the most likely killer, though it offers little in the way of hard evidence. It puts the reinvestigation and everything the police had missed on the front page for 13 straight days. A few days before it starts, Horowitz asks police chief Lanier what she hopes it will do. Stir things up, Lanier says.

Sometimes people do come forward. It was the first time anyone from the outside had really exposed what was going on with this case and some of the mistakes that led the case to go cold. The reinvestigation also surfaces something buried since 2001. When the Park Police first arrested Guandiki, he told an officer. officer he had seen Chandra Levy in Rock Creek Park and that he found her pretty. The officer remembered it, but for seven years, that information never made it into any report. Through all of it, one thing never changes. Guandike does not leave prison. From his arrest in the summer of 2001, through the cold years and the reinvestigation, he stays locked up for the two park attacks.

When the detectives finally go looking for their man, they already have him in a cell in California. In September of 2008, two months after the series of articles, a team of DC detectives flies to the federal prison at Victorville in the California desert, where Guandique is finishing his sentence for those park attacks. The detectives have done their homework. They have read the park police reports from 2001, and they know how an officer named Joe Green, once talked Guandike into admitting the two park attacks by offering him a less despicable version of the story. They sit Guandiki down. They ask him for a DNA sample,

and then they run a bluff. They tell him they already have his DNA on evidence from the Chandra Levy case, and they wait. Guandique doesn't flinch. If they have his DNA, he tells them, they should charge him with murder. They press him. Why would his DNA be?

on Chandra Levy's things. He gives them a line that detectives will not forget, one that is not a confession and not quite a denial either. So what if I touched her? It is the closest thing to an admission anyone will ever get from Guandique. Not I never met her, not I never touched her, not who's Chandra Levy? Instead, so what if I did? The detectives write it down word for word. It's nowhere near enough to charge a man with murder, but it is the first time Gwondike has placed himself anywhere near Chandra Levy, and he's done it in his own words. The detectives turned to the fat lip and the scratches from May 1st, 2001, seven years earlier. He tells them two men robbed him. They remind him he had told his landlady it was his girlfriend. Gwondike splits the difference.

The lip from the robbery, the scratches from the girlfriend. While the detectives are in the room with him, prison officials are searching his cell. Tucked among his things kept by his bed, they find a photograph of Shandra, clipped from a magazine. It is an odd thing for someone with allegedly no connection to her to have bedside, seven years after she vanished from a city 2,000 miles away. They saw a photo of Shandra Libby in his cell right by his bed, which was very odd. And as they were talking to Guandique, they saw something else that really struck them as odd. They saw a tattoo of a woman on his body.

And as they looked at this tattoo, they believe that resembled Chandra Levy. There is one more thing they learn about the man at Victorville. In early 2009, as the murder case against him is coming together, an inmate tips off prison officials that Guandique is planning to break out. On February 26, guards pull him from his son. and search it. They find the makings of a weapon and an escape kit. Loose razor blades, add AA battery, a filed down sliver of toenail clipper, and a homemade knife. Two of the blades lashed together with strips of plastic. Guandike will not be going anywhere.

So the detectives move on to the one thing that could actually make a case, a witness. That witness is a man named Armando Morales, and you'll be hearing quite a bit. about him. Armando Morales is a Fresno, California native, a lifetime criminal with a long record of violent crimes, guns, drugs, and so on. He was a cellmate of being Marguandique in Kentucky in 2006. Morales comes forward in 2009 while the reopened Levy case is searching for anyone who can tie Guandique to the killing. He's been in federal prison since the 1990s, serving. He's been in federal prison since the 1990s, serving a long sentence on drug charges, a lifelong criminal with a violent record, and Morales is not the kind of man juries usually trust. What makes prosecutors listen is that

Morales asks for nothing. He is also not the first inmate to say Guandike has talked. Over the years, several jailhouse witnesses did, and their stories did not always match. Gwondike's defense will seize on this fact later. But Morales is the witness around whom the prosecution decides to build its case. Juan Dike and Morales belonged to Allied gangs, and for six weeks in a Kentucky cell, they talked. Armando Morales and Enwar Guantique belonged to a similar gang affiliation,

and as a result, they consider themselves brothers. They were honest with each other, they looked out for each other in prison. They talked about everything together. According to Amanda Morales, one of the things they talked about was the whole Sean Jolie case. According to Morales, Guandike was desperate to correct one thing in particular.

In prison, a man marked as a rapist, is a target. And Guandiki knew the word was he had raped and killed the intern. Morales said Guantique wanted Morales to understand that he had only done one of those two things, the killing. Morales' account carries one detail in particular on which prosecutors seize. He says Guandiki confessed that he grabbed Chandra, from behind on the trail, dragged her into the bushes, and took her fanny pack before he ran. To prosecutor Amanda Haynes, that fanny pack is critical. She argues it is exactly the kind of

inside detail only the killer could know, and that Morales could only have gotten it from the man who committed the crime. However, even Haynes does not actually know whether Chandra was carrying a fanny pack. None is ever recovered, not at the scene, not anywhere. Nothing in the physical evidence and no witness other than Morales ever establishes that Chandra was carrying one that day. The single source for the detail the prosecution sees as so damning is Morales. There is no corroboration that there ever was a fanny pack, never mind that Guandique took it. On the stand, he tells the jury he wants nothing for his testimony, that he is here only to give a grieving family its answer, and that he has never been an informant before in his life.

life. Hold on to that last part. So what about Gary Condit? For a year, the congressman was the story. By the time the Guandike case reaches trial, investigators no longer treat Gary Condit as a suspect in Chandra's murder. Police had checked his account of his whereabouts on May 1st, and it held. No physical evidence ever tied him to her death. The DNA in Chandra's underwear supported what Condit had spent the summer of 2001 denying that he and Chandra had been sexually involved, but nothing beyond that. On March 3rd, 2009, police chief Lanier stands at a lectern at police headquarters, flanked by the D.C. mayor, the U.S. attorney, and the three detectives who built the case. She announces that Ingmar Guandique will be charged with the first-degree murder of Chandra Ann Levy.

She says that she called Bob and Susan Levy that morning. to prepare them. Today we make a very significant announcement. We announced that the Metropolitan Police Department have secured an arrest warrant in the homicide in 2001 of Chandra Levy. The arrestee is Ingmar Wondike. With that, Lanier does something the department has not done in eight years. She points the case at another man and she never once says the name Gary Condit. Congressman Connett was never charged with anything. He was interviewed multiple times. I interviewed him with my FBI partner. Did people think that he was a real possibility? Sure. Did it ever make any sense to me? The answer is no. The trial opens in Washington on October 25, 2010. More than nine years after Chandra disappeared.

The lead prosecutor, Amanda Haynes. Amanda Haynes was one of the most senior homicide prosecutors in Washington, D.C. She was so good, they put her on the most difficult assignment. and that's cold cases. Amanda Haynes had a way of relating to the jury. She can tell a story and make people see the crime scene and see the final moments of the victim's lives. In her opening, Haynes names the thing that had cost the case so many years.

The investigation, she tells the jury had been pulled off course by the affair between the intern and the congressman. This case, she says, is also about the secrets of a man named Gary Condit. Then she sets Condit aside and turns to the man in the defendant's chair. This is not an easy case to prove. There is no physical evidence tying Guandique to the scene.

She admits that. There is no confession on the record. The medical examiner, working from remains that lay out in the open for more than a year, could never determine how Chandra died, only that it was a homicide. What the state has is the pattern in the park, Guandique's own shifting stories and a jailhouse witness named Morales who says the defendant told him he did it.

Morales is the case. When Amanda Morales took the witness stand, he was the only piece of evidence that directly linked Immar Guandiki to the death of Chandra Levy. To reporters watching in the courtroom, Morales is strong on the stand. He is calm, he's specific,

and his story does not flatter anyone. He tells the judge. jury, Gwondike insisted he had not raped Chandra, only killed her, an account that cuts against the defendant and against the prosecution's own earlier assumption that Chandra had been sexually assaulted, which is exactly why it lands. For the jurors, it will come down to whether they believe Morales. There is no weapon to hold up, no fingerprints, no video, no DNA linking him to the crime. There is the pattern in the park, and there is the man from the Kentucky. cell. The defense tells a very different story. Guandique's public defenders argue that the government

has taken a man guilty of two ugly park attacks and used those crimes to pin a murder on him it could not otherwise solve. It's not a hard story to tell. For years, the police have chased the wrong man in full public view and have been mocked mercilessly in the media. Now the defense says they need a conviction, so they've reached for the easiest target. An illegal immigrant with no alibi and a record of violence in that very park. Morales, they say, is a career criminal, telling a jailhouse story no one can verify in a case with no cause of death, no physical evidence, and no confession anyone recorded. Suspicion is not proof, they tell the jury similarity is not identity.

The defense has one more card. A small amount of DNA from an unknown man was found on Chandra's leggings, matching no one who was tested, not Guandike, not Condit, not the technicians who handled the leggings. The prosecution calls it contamination. The defense asked the jury to consider that it might belong to the actual killer. In her closing argument, prosecutor Amanda Haynes tells the jury how she thinks Chandra died. It is a story Haynes tells with confidence, but one Chandra's remains could never prove. She describes a young woman attacked on the trail, bound and gagged, Haynes theorizes, left unable to call for help, dying alone in the ravine of exposure and thirst. Then Haynes says the thing the defense will seize upon. No one really knows how Chandra Levy died. What Haynes asks the jury

to know is who killed her. The jury takes the case on a Friday. Deliberations run into a third day, then a fourth. Notes come out of the room. Everyone in the courthouse starts watching the jury room door. A lot of people thought that this was going to be a hung jury. We did not think all 12 jurors

would be able to come back with a verdict. Much to our surprise, three and a half days later, they come back. On November 22nd, 2010, after three and a half days, the jury comes back with a verdict. Guilty of first-degree murder. Guantique tears the translation headphones

from his ears. Outside the courtroom, Chandra's mother, Susan Levy, speaks. She has waited nine years for this. The results of the verdict may be guilty, but I have a lifetime sentence of a lost limb missing from our family tree. Three months later, on February 11, 2011, Guandique is sentenced to 60 years in prison. At the hearing, Susan Levy stands a few feet from him and speaks to him directly. She looked him in the eye and she said, you know, you are a hideous creature. You are lower than a cockroach.

You should rot in hell. And it was very dramatic. She then pleaded for the truth about Chandra's murder. Did you really take her, she asked. Look into my eyes right now and tell me. Guandique shakes his head. The judge interrupts and tells Susan she cannot speak to Guandique directly. Susan looks at her.

at the judge, then back to the man convicted of killing her baby girl. She adds one line, and finally, fuck you. And then she sits down. When his turn comes, Guandike tells the court he is sorry for what happened to Chandra Levy, but that he had nothing to do with it. For the Levy family, after nine years and nine months, it is the closest thing to an answer anyone has ever handed them. A jury heard the case and found that the man in the park, killed their daughter. Bob and Susan Levy fly home to Modesto, believing it's finally over. But the whole of that verdict rests on the word of one man, Armando Morales. He has told the jury he wanted nothing for his testimony. He has told the jury he had never been an informant in his

life. Neither of those things was true. That man has not told the jury everything. Next time, on MK Confidential. A woman with seven hours of secret recordings, a letter the prosecution never turned over, and a conviction nine years in the making, undone by a single witness.