The Megyn Kelly Show - The Robinson-Twiggs DNA Evidence, and Assassination Culture, with Jack Posobiec, Sean Davis, and Sohrab Ahmari | Ep. 1355

Episode Date: July 8, 2026

Megyn Kelly breaks down the exact alleged timeline of Tyler Robinson's four different trips to UVU on the day of Charlie Kirk's assassination complete with enhanced video, the chilling details alleging Robinson ate lunch on campus and interacted with TP USA staff, the new information we're learning about Robinson's visits back to campus after the shooting, and more. Then Jack Posobiec, TPUSA contributor and Human Events Live host, joins to discuss what it's like in the courtroom at the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing, how small the space is with Erika Kirk and Charlie Kirk's parents next to Tyler Robinson's parents, Robinson seen laughing in court,the most compelling evidence to emerge at the Tyler Robinson hearing, the significance of the DNA evidence that shows Robinson and Lance Twiggs on the towel and screwdriver, and more. Then Sean Davis, CEO of The Federalist, and Sohrab Ahmari, US Editor of Unherd, join to discuss the potential for more war with Iran after Trump says the ceasefire is over again, why it's more likely to see some skirmishes but not full war, whether America should just let others clean up the Strait of Hormuz mess, assassination culture on the rise on the left, the "trans terroristic movement" in America, the way some went a little crazy after witnessing Charlie Kirk's assassination,the latest allegations against Graham Platner, how impossible it is for a person to rationally even respond to them, why the Democrats got themselves in this position for ignoring warning signs, and more.   Posobiec- https://x.com/JackPosobiec Davis- https://thefederalist.com/ Ahmari-https://unherd.com/   Supersure Insurance: Upgrade your business insurance to a year-round SuperAgency at https://Supersure.com/Megyn Herald Group: Learn more at https://GuardYourCard.com Birch Gold: Text MK to 989898 and get a free America 250 silver round with qualifying purchase American Financing: Call American Financing today to find out how customers are saving an average of $800/mo. NMLS #182334 https://nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-852-2010 for details about credit, costs and terms. Visit https://AmericanFinancing.net/MegynKelly . Average savings based on borrowers who save over $199.99     Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, day three of the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing starting later this afternoon. They're getting a late start today. And this afternoon, we are speaking with Jack Posobic, a dear friend and colleague of Charlie's, who's been in court all this week seeing everything firsthand. And he'll describe to us the dynamic inside that courtroom. and how he thinks it's going.

But I want to begin with what we learned yesterday about the man accused of murdering Charlie, and that's Tyler Robinson, and the timeline that we're learning about now, detailing Robinson's time on campus at Utah Valley University, the day Charlie was killed September 10th of last year. We saw pictures of the man prosecutors say is Robinson for the first time last year, as investigators desperately hunted him down. And yesterday in court, we got to see some of these surveillance videos

alleged to be of Robinson as he moved about campus. It was the very first time we've seen them. We've seen some still shots from these videos leading up to yesterday, but we have never seen these videos. And, you know, there was a big fight in court because the prosecution has enhanced versions

of the videos with Zoom's and circles, which would be very helpful, wouldn't they? Because these are surveillance videos, which, you know, by their nature are not great. And circling where he is, even if you don't accept this as Tyler Robinson, circling where they're saying the perpetrator is would be quite helpful. But the defense objected, so we don't get to see that. We get to see the videos, but we don't get to see the prosecution's helpful zooms and circles. And here's the judge, Tony Graff explaining why yesterday. I don't find it's necessary to replay this video, given the representation, that's the

exact same video, the difference being enhancements made. If it was different in any way or if it added to or subtracted from, that would be one factor. But because it's simply the same video, simply zooming in with circles or notations, the court does not find that the interests of justice. requires it being played again. But it is received into evidence and will be reviewed by by myself in determining a probable cause determination. And I appreciate that, Judge. And so we're clear. States exhibit 12.1 has been admitted. It is received into evidence. Yes. And your intent is to

review it in its entirety, but not here in the courtroom. Yes. Well, Utah law enforcement isn't the only group of folks who know how to enhance video, so we did it ourselves for you. And we're going to walk you through what the video showed yesterday so you can see the man alleged to be Robinson more clearly and see the prosecution's case laid out. Here's Sergeant David Hull, who was with the Utah State Bureau of Investigation at the time of the murder, explaining the video they say is Robinson arriving on campus to the prosecutor who was questioning him, David Sturgel. This is a little less than four hours before the shooting took place. Watch. Okay, what are we seeing here, Agent Hol?

That's the vehicle, as believed, to belong to Mr. Robinson, arriving in the parking garage on campus. At what time in the morning? What time in the day? It's approximately 8.30 in the morning on September 10th, 2025. And what leads you to believe that this particular vehicle belongs to Mr. Robinson? Information that was provided regards to driver's license and department

motor vehicle records. The vehicle fits the description of a vehicle owned by Mr. Robinson. Is there anything unique about that vehicle that stands out to you? The shape of the vehicle is very distinct, but predominantly the wheels were very distinctive on this version of the vehicle.

Now what do we see? The driver of the vehicle exits the vehicle and then walks on foot to exit the parking garage. It's the individual in the red t-shirt and the shorts and the shoes. Do you believe you recognize who that person is? Yes. Who is that? I believe that's Tyler Robinson.

You heard it there. The police believe that is Tyler Robinson arriving on campus at 830 that morning. According to Sergeant Hall, the man next went onto the UVU campus and made contact with him. turning point USA representatives in the area where Charlie would soon be gunned down. Just such a chilling fact. I'm sure they thought he was a young student interested in hearing Charlie's message. And I'm sure they happily and willingly gave him the details on exactly what time things would be getting underway.

They weren't secret and how they could, you know, he could best see Charlie. Whatever information he asked for as long it was within the bounds of normal propriety for a public appearance, I'm sure they would have given. was to be seen. Charlie didn't want to do these events inside where he would have been safer because he wanted the hope of getting the passers by. He wanted his message to reach far and wide for the chance to possibly persuade people over to his point of view, peacefully and logically. After that moment, the testimony was that Tyler Robinson, again, the man believed to be, would leave campus again. You can see him on your screen now returning to the parking garage. That's what they say he's doing here going down the steps. Back to the parking garage after that hour on campus.

It's 9.24 a.m. just under three hours before the shot rang out. The parking garage is just a short walk from the amphitheater area where Charlie was set to speak, the outdoor amphitheater. In other words, the man spent a little less than an hour on campus that morning, clearly scoping out the scene. The prosecution says Robinson then returned to campus again shortly thereafter. Here's Sergeant Hull explaining this next video to Sturgle. Now what will we see? This is Mr. Robinson returning to the campus on foot from the neighborhood to the northeast. You can see he's wearing the same clothing as in the previous video.

And he's carrying a blue backpack. Describe the clothing. It's a maroon-colored t-shirt. shirt with gray or olive-colored shorts and then convert shoes. And what time did he return to campus? Just after 10 a.m. And during this visit, do you know where he goes after he leaves the parking search?

Yes, we're able to track his movements on campus. He went to Chick-fil-A in the Sorensen building and purchased some food, and sat and ate the food. It's chilling. It's chilling to think about this. man having a chick-fil-A sandwich right before he carried out a horrific assassination, according to prosecutors. And also, you know, for that matter, expected himself to die or possibly get arrested, as his alleged note would later reveal. I mean, just think about this guy.

Like, you wanted to commit murder on a full stomach? What the f? The man would then go to a wooded area and leave campus again around 11 a.m. So this is another about an hour that he's spent on campus. This time he came back with a backpack and walks around campus for about an hour and then left campus around 11 a.m. And they don't show us the video of him leaving the campus, but now here he is returning to campus again, this time looking different. different outfit. Watch. You believe this is Mr. Robinson returning to campus? I do, yes.

And what do you believe is Mr. Robinson? The shoes are the same, and the images that we have are, from my viewing and seeing Mr. Robinson on the video, it's the same person. He's noticeably wearing different clothing. He is wearing different clothing, and he also is walking with a gate or a limp in this video. So it's Mr. Robinson coming up the stairs of the parking structure. Again, he seems to be having issues walking. And again, we were able to track Mr. Robinson when he leaves this parking structure? Yes, we were able to. He comes up around campus drive. As you can see on the

video here, there is a cut through there north of the Losey building, and that's Mr. Robinson coming coming up the sidewalk, he has the noticeable gate or limp in his walk. And then he moves south across the front of the Lossie building. He would be the rear of the two individuals in this particular video. And you watch him walk down the sidewalk. Law enforcement testifying that they were able to continue to track this man's movements and that he next went. That video we just showed you, by the way, it was 11.53 a.m.

Charlie was shot at 1223. So they were able to track this man's movements. It looks like Tyler Robinson. The police testimony is that it is Tyler Robinson. And he's back on campus at 1153, now dressed in jeans and a different shirt, has the hat and the sunglasses and the same sneakers as before. But unlike before, he now suddenly has a limp. He had no limp in either of the earlier videos.

And it does appear there's something down his pant leg. And obviously, they believe it was the long gun. It was the rifle. They say he next went to the Losey Center. So I don't know if that's a student center, but it's one of the buildings on campus, roof. And that is where authorities believe Robinson fired the single shot that killed Charlie Kirk. Watch. And what time is this? It's just afternoon, about 1215. What just happened or what did we just see happen? The individual actually kind of rolls over the railing onto the roof of the Lossie building.

All right. And again, in the top left corner, the individual is now seen running across the rooftop of the Losey building to what would be the southwest corner of the building, crouching down and then crawling to the corner of the building. And this is at what time? Around 1223. I think the timestamp on the video. was 1222.

On the 10th? On September 10th, yes. 2025. We're clear. This is the roof of the low sea building. Correct. Can you still see that individual? Yes, you can, lane prone. And how long is he out there on the edge of the building? Just until the reported shot was fired at 12, 23 and 28,

individual then stands up and then moves across the building to the north. Is that what we're seeing? happening right now? It is, yes. They move behind the atrium area on the rooftop, at the northeast corner where the white triangle is. Do you see Mr. Robinson now? I do, yes. He's just arriving at the corner of the building. What are we seeing now? Mr. Robinson lowering and jumping off of the roof of the Losey building onto the grass area, and then moving away towards campus drive. That figure on the roof, then went on the run. And we now have video of his car on campus about six hours after the shooting. Watch.

This is the intersection of Campus Drive in 800 South. There's a vehicle attempting to turn right onto Campus Drive. That's the vehicle that's driven by Mr. Robinson. Now what do we see? That vehicle's now pulling away and heading east on 800 South. Early the next day, technically later that same evening, about 1230. a.m., a local police officer on traffic duty made contact with Tyler Robinson driving that same car, according to Hull. Based on his, quote, cop intuition, this officer ran the license plate of the car

that by this point a manhunt was underway. They knew that Charlie had been murdered on their campus earlier that day, 12 hours earlier. And the license plate belonged to Tyler Robinson. So this This is the cops telling us that Robinson came back to the scene at 1230 a.m., 12 hours after he allegedly shot Charlie. According to prosecutors, Robinson had left a note for his trans furry lover, Lance Twiggs, that read, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it. Upon finding it, Twigs texted Robinson back, quote, you weren't the one who did it, right? Robinson replying, I am. I'm sorry. Twigs asked why. And Robinson texted back, quote, I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out.

Jeremy now for reaction is Jack Basobic, a senior editor at human events and a turning point USA contributor and a dear friend of Charlie's. When you sign your insurance policy for some brokers, that's the finish line, handshake, they get their commission, and then they're kind of done with you. You may not hear from them again until it's time for renewal, in which case, once again, they're your best friend. That's annoying. But your business runs all year. And so do the gaps and the risk and things happen. And this is why I want to tell you about SuperSure. If your company has more than 25 employees, whether you're the owner, the CFO, or the HR manager, it can be too complex to

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of this case and the hearing as we're into it now. I struggle to find the words to put it together. It's surreal. The whole thing is completely surreal. When you get to that courthouse and you walk through, I mean, the security situation is absolutely, is absolutely tremendous. There's security from counter snipers up on the roof to drones to when Don Jr. was there, we had Secret Service. We have men with long guns. We've got SWAT team inside and outside. So you're walking through all of that, then the media. And then when you get into the room itself, the courtroom is actually it's quite small.

There's only about four rows with wooden sort of like church pews where you sit in. They're not particularly comfortable. And that's the whole gallery. So I'm in the front row. Don Jr.'s over here.

And then right in the other side, it's Erica, Charlie's parents. And then just in the next row is Tyler Robinson's family. And again, you've just got these SWAT officers all over the place, even inside the courtroom and then sheriffs and the bailiffs up front. And there's media in the jury box right now. And I don't know how much of this you can see on the live stream because I think they put some restrictions on exactly, you know, what can be shown.

And then there's only a few feet between us and right there is Tyler Robinson. And he's right there and he's been right there the whole time. He hasn't turned back. He hasn't acknowledged either Charlie's family or even his own family. You know, from their part, I would say that just seeing Charlie's family go through this, they're showing incredible strength. And you see, Erica and Charlie's mother just been sitting next to each other, being there for one another,

and being willing to face down that hell itself and be there going through this. And then also I would even say that, you know, my heart goes out to Tyler Robinson's family as well because their family was also destroyed by this act. And they seem to be, they seem to be good people. They did the honorable thing, I think, in watching the news, seeing what happened, and then picking up that phone. I haven't heard them say one word the entire time. Very quiet.

There's, you know, obvious reasons for that. But it can't be easy for them, but they seem like, they seem like good people. They seem like honorable people. They seem like good American citizens. And I think they probably never expected to be in a situation where they find themselves now. And so I've just, you know, we're praying for, We're praying for everyone involved in this. I've had my rosary out the entire time.

I've actually been saying the rosary during court. I will say I'm not the only one with my rosary out. I'm not going to say who else did. That's for them to come out and say. But there's been a lot of prayer. And we're doing everything we can to make sure that the Holy Spirit is in that room with us. Thank God. Thank God.

That makes me feel better to know that you have that beautiful rosary. You gave me one too, which I use all the time in there with you. It just feels like a measure. of protection somehow. Who is there for Tyler Robinson? Is it just his parents? I don't know all of his family members. It's clearly there's mother and father that I do recognize. And then they do have a number of people with them. I think more than likely extended family. Again, there's not much communication because when you're in court, you're not talking. They do ask that we maintain decorum. They ask that we be quiet. So and then when we break, you know,

they're sort of an area where they go and there's an area where we go. There's an area where the media and the public go. And so it's not really conducive to any sort of back and forth or interaction. And the same, you know, no cell phones. Actually, someone had a cell phone at one point and they were asked to, you know, take it out. And so we do have notepads, a number of us. And so we're doing what we can to take notes. But yeah, no phones or anything like that.

But yes, Tyler Robinson's family is there in the courtroom as well. And again, it's a very, very small space. And that's just adds to how surreal it is because you think about how this had so much impact, not on just the lives of the families, but on our country and the world. And yet here we all are. And it's it's just a room. It's just a very small room. Can you describe the moment?

Because this is the first moment, you, Erica, Charlie's. parents, his sister, have come face to face with his accused killer. And there was a moment where for the first time, you saw this man walk in or you saw his face in person as opposed to what we've all seen on the air. Describe that for us. So the way it was set up was that he was there prior to us coming in. And sitting in a light suit. there at the defendant's table and he's seems small next to his his legal team and we were standing and a few other people were standing and i think for for a moment we actually you know didn't even realize that he was there and then once we got situated again there's so much security or you're

being you know asked to sit down etc and and so we sit down and look over and realize that it's him And I would say just a cold, a very cold feeling came over me. It just a very, it just felt very cold. And like a, like that sense of, of cold running up and down your spine. And the hairs in the back of your neck go up. And I was glad I had my rosary in that moment. And I look over and I see Erica and I see the parents and, you know, and they were there.

they were they were strong they had grace they did not flinch and they sat down and we had very stern looks on their faces and it was very obvious that they wanted to see justice done for what happened to their son and and husband the reports were that he was seen laughing with counsel that erika burst out into tears before the proceeding began but that he tyler robinson was seen at various points laughing at counsel table with his lawyers prior to things getting underway. Did you see any of that, Jack? I did, as a matter of fact. And it's something that I noted when it happened. Like I said, there's no discussion in the courtroom. So I didn't even know if anyone else had noticed it.

And I didn't realize that it had kind of taken on a life of it. So I later found out that, you know, obviously it was being reported and had gone quite viral. But in that moment, it was just something that I know to looking over saying Charlie's wife and his mother are here and they're in tears and you're just going to act like that? Even if you're presumption of innocence, okay, sure, but you know that these people lost somebody and you know that there's a human element to this and a human toll. And don't you think just maybe have a little bit of respect and basic human decency toward someone else.

And I got pretty angry when I saw that. I'll just say that. I didn't sit well with me. Yes, it makes me feel that he's a true sociopath. You read those text messages, you know, which the police say are his, where he says, oh, it turns out Grandpa's rifle really got it done. I know, it works great. After he knows he's nearly blown our friends head off.

He knows that. he has two little children, he knows he has a wife who loves him, and then when confronted with the family members whom he's devastated, he has the gall to yuck it up in front of them with his lawyers. There's something completely inhuman about this behavior. I couldn't agree more. It's inhuman behavior. It's unhuman behavior.

And, you know, I was surprised, too, that no, you know, recognition of his own family that's that's been there in the room as mother and father and you know what we know that's come out is that it seemed like they did not have a particularly close relationship i think he'd essentially been kind of thrown out of the house because of the lifestyle and that's been in some of the reporting and i'm sure we'll get more of that when uh when twigs his testimony comes up which we expect to come up either today or tomorrow and um But that being said, they are there. They have been there every single day.

And you'd think that on some level, if your own mother was in a courtroom there for you, right, regardless of what you did, you know that your mother's there for you because that's a mother's love. And you don't even turn around to your own mother. I just, I can't, I can't square that. That's just, it's something but so beyond my experience because, you know, even at any time of my life where I've, you know, faltered or made a mistake or anything, my mother's always been there for me. And I'll tell you what, there's, you know, the media is going to say what they say. But the one person that I never, ever want to disappoint is my mother.

It's surprising when you think of even Brian Colberger, who murdered for University of Idaho students in cold blood, I mean, hacked them to death with a knife, was communicating with his family in the courtroom was sort of doing loving gestures back and forth to them, was in regular contact with his mom and dad via phone, you know, right after the murders he called and had a very lengthy call with his mom, like, was managed to maintain a relationship, in other words, with the people who raised him and who actually did show up in court for him. And this guy, yeah, and this guy, nothing. So, I mean, it's, it's somewhat eerie. It's hard to understand. All I can think of right now, Jack, is that video that we saw of, of Tyler Robinson when this first came out of him finding out that he got into a university and he got some sort of a scholarship and his mom filmed it in the way parents do sometimes when their kids get their letters from colleges. And it was like this, she was so celebratory of him. He seemed off, I'm going to say. He seemed maybe like he was on the spectrum or something. His response sounded weird. The tonality of it seemed off to me. But she seemed like a loving parent to him in this.

this video. We'll pull it over. We played it months ago. And it's so, it's so shocking to me that there, there's nothing. No, you've seen no acknowledgement on his part. No, you know, sometimes they do like hearts to each other. We've seen criminal defendants do that. Nothing. I haven't seen a single moment where he's acknowledged his family. And, and, you know, maybe that's something that they did in other hearings. I don't know. But even in this one, And you would think that this is such a key moment. The evidence is now being unveiled for the first time. And it's hard.

It's very hard. There was one moment where I believe it was Agent Hull came out. And he sort of did that, you know, infamous line where he said, you know, do you see that suspect in the room today? And, you know, he gestured to the defendant. And he said, yes, he's right there. It's Tyler Robinson. and then they make that for the record.

And that was, I mean, it was just a, you could feel the shockwave, the emotional shockwave, hit the entire gallery, and the weight of that moment hit all of us in the room. There's no question. And people were breaking down in tears. And just no response, no reaction, no turnaround to see what people were doing. Nothing. And I would include as well when the videos.

were played when the videos were played, too. The graphic videos, nothing. We have that moment, such as it is, our angle of it here in SOT 22. For the benefit of the record and for thoroughness, if you wish to re-ask that question, you certainly, well, we can see what happens. If I could judge, I'd like to. Would you please point him out and identify something that he is wearing? Yeah, I believe that Mr. Robinson is between Ms. Nester and other counsel wearing a gray suit, jacket with a dark tie, and a light-colored shirt. As I would ask that the record reflect that Agent Holt has identified the defendant.

I have no, I mean, I made my objection already. Okay, I just wanted to check. No, thank you. All right. For the purposes of this hearing, I find that Agent Hull has identified Mr. Robinson. Again, this is only for the preliminary hearing. I mean, it is something to thank God we have because I think about the Nancy Guthrie case where this poor woman's been stolen and is presumed dead at this point.

And we have no idea who took her. There's not a person to point at. There's no, this family's going to have to live likely, possibly at least forevermore without knowing. At least this man, thanks to the parents, as you point out, is in police custody, is facing justice. whether you think he did it or he didn't, he's getting his due process, and the jury will be the final arbiters of his guilt or innocence. But thank God. Thank God his parents when they recognized him from the tape. They called their son. They demanded to see pictures of the rifle to see if it was still

in his custody, which it wasn't. He claimed he'd been home sick that day and the day before, which the mother didn't believe. And then they talked to him directly about whether he had killed Charlie Kirk. And he told them he wanted to kill himself. There was obviously a bargaining going on between them. They called that family friend who was a former sheriff's deputy. That man came over. And what the parents reported was that he convinced Tyler Robinson to turn himself in and to do it at the police station so that the police didn't have to search his parents home. You know, he pitched it to him as a way of protecting his family. This would be the honorable thing to do. And he did. And there's been testimony in this trial, Jack, that they did not know who the perpetrator was before

Tyler Robinson contacted them and turned himself in, that he was the one who first made himself identifiable to them. Let's talk for a minute about the evidence. Has there been a moment in the court that you've found especially compelling one way or the other? Well, I think it's more of the process of the evidence that, you know, and they're going through it in a very methodical, but very, very, very, relentless manner where they walk you through. So we started with the, and you can see what they're doing, chronologically speaking, where first they start with the officer who was working that day. He was on top of the Hall of Flags. He reported what he saw. Then they worked through the evidence from his perspective. Then they brought up the case agent. Now they're getting into the investigation of the

cameras and what the cameras see and the cameras saw these objects. Okay, these objects were later found. what was found on those objects. Okay, DNA with the DNA matched and whether exclusions. And so we're going through all of that. And it's laborious. It's grueling while you're, especially when you're, you know, hearing this two and a half hour argument over whether or not DNA science is real, like this filibuster that happened yesterday. But when you actually just look at the nuggets of evidence again and again and again, they're building their case. And they are building the scaffolding of a very, very strong case against Tyler Robinson. One thing that just kind of popped in my head, and I know everyone keeps asking about this, you know, the chick-fil-A. And Agent Hull brought up that

he got the chick-fil-a beforehand. And, you know, on one hand, you think, how can someone just just eat a chick-fil-A before you go and do something like that? And my gut reaction was revulsion, but then my sort of, you know, prior Intel officer side kicked in. I thought, wait a minute, if he purchased Chick-fil-A, then that's something you can corroborate. If he used a card or if he used cash, then you could go to that Chick-fil-A outlet or you could go to the credit card statement and now you can begin the process of corroborating. Is that person that we see on video buying the Chick-fil-A at this time? Does that match up to a financial transaction. Same with the car. If he got gas, which I assume we're going to get very shortly,

you know, cell phone metadata. It's very clear, by the way, that there was something that Agent Hull said, that we tracked him to that area later in the day. And that's where they got that new ring camera footage, or guess Ness camera footage of the Challenger driving up in the middle of the night. And it, reading between the lines, it was pretty clear they had tracked his phone to be able to know to ask for that specific house at that specific time. So it seems to me that they're building a very multi-layered, multi-tiered case against him in a sense where, you know, you just mentioned Brian Koberger, where it seems like there's a lot more evidence in this case than there was against Koberger because there you didn't have all the video, you didn't have the eyewitnesses,

you didn't have family members and all of these other pieces. You had, you had the cell phone. phone you had i think you know uh uh fingerprint you know on some sightings of the car was really it right and and that was that was pretty much it whereas this case you've got a lot more to deal with you certainly didn't have an alleged confession and there the most damning evidence against skullberger was that knife sheath and his touch DNA being found on the sheath but of course had they gone to trial and there had been nothing else they could have argued he went through the gun the gun store or the knife store and he touched that. How can you prove that he was the one holding the knife sheath when the murders were committed? It was all the other evidence. And yes, I did notice as they released the longer video of who they say

is Tyler Robinson coming back to campus with the jeans on now, with the newfound limp, which it seems very clear he's got something down the right leg of his pants, that it looks like there's a cell phone in his pocket. In fact, we froze the frame and have it here where we zoomed in on it. to me it looks like obviously the outline of his cell phone do we have it and we put it on the board please where it seems obvious that he not only had his cell phone as every young person does but that he was he was carrying it as he committed the crime because this is him coming back to allegedly commit the crime this is right before and so if he had that cell phone on him while he committed the crime then they're going to they're going to know a lot from that phone i've i agree but i have also heard a theory

posited that that might be the buttstock of the rifle and that what you're look that what you're looking at is in fact the buttstock of the rifle and that's why he has that limp because he's got the rifle sort of in between his pants and his shirt and that's how he's concealing it but it seems very clear that he's got a cell phone on him somewhere and the car too i mean in the alec murdoch case, the car data, and I don't know how recent his Dodge Challenger was, but, you know, if you looked at my car right now, which is a 2025 or 24 model, it would tell you everything about me. The car can reveal how fast you went, where you went, whether you slowed down, you know, whether you sped up, what buttons you were pressing. They can merge it with the cell phone

now to see, like, whether you were on the cell phone while you were speeding. We've seen that being done in accident. So both of those two things, neither of you, which is on the evidence list for this hearing because they don't need it. This isn't the full, this isn't the real McGillow. This is just, just got to show enough to show he probably did it. So the prosecution's not going to show all of their cards, though they're showing a lot. Let's talk about the DNA because this made a bunch of headlines yesterday because they found the towel that the gun was wrapped in. They found the gun in the woods and they found it wrapped in a towel. And they also found a screwdriver on the roof of the Losey building from which

they believe the shot was fired. And they had, the prosecution had a DNA expert testify about the DNA found on those items. And it was revealed for the first time that not only was Tyler Robinson's DNA on those items, but so was the DNA of Lance Twigs, the trans furry roommate, who we expected to testify by videotape, again, either later today. They were hoping it would happen yesterday, so I'm hopeful it will happen today. If not, then tomorrow we think. And people were running with a report that it was predominantly Lance Twiggs DNA on this towel and this screwdriver, which would be potentially a game changer in the case. That's not what was testified to. Here is what was testified to setting the record straight on some misinformation that's out there.

Watch. You stated, I believe, that the minor sample, the minor contributor was less than 20 percent and that it was actually 5 percent. The ratio is 5% to 95%. For one of the samples, yes. Do you remember that? Yes. Does that mean the 5% was from Twigs, and the 95% that 95% is assumed from the defendant,

the Robinson? When I calculate the statistic, Twigs' DNA profile aligned with the 5% contributor, and Mr. Robinson's DNA profile aligned better with the 95% contributor. Okay. Same question with regard to eight. I think you said the ratio was 11% from the minor and 89% from the major. Is that Twigs being the 11% and Robinson being the 89%? Yes, twigs better aligned with that 11% contributor and Mr. Robinson better aligned with that 79% contributor. Just to correct myself, that was a defense witness. They called their own forensic witness who had done examinations. in this case because she wasn't going to be able to testify later. So she kind of came during the prosecution's case.

Your thoughts on all that, Jack? Yeah. And actually, this is my notes from in the courtroom as well. And so item seven that they're talking about, if I have this correctly, is the towel. And then item eight is the screwdriver. So the major contributor, Tyler Robinson, is the 95%, the minor is 5%. That's the towel and then 89% 11% on the screwdriver. Now the reason that, so this was the FBI DNA tech out of Quantico.

The reason that we're not hearing yet about any touch DNA that was found on the rifle was because that was sent to the ATF labs. That would have been a different lab, a different technician that would come forward to discuss that, which I believe we will be getting at some point as well. So we're going to have another one of these sort of DNA days. But right, this idea, of course, that they were roommates, you know, had towels that, you know, had shared DNA from touch DNA or, you know, just towels that are that are in the same bathroom. That's, that's something that's pretty common, I think. Screwdrivers as well,

obvious reason that that would be a common piece of the, you know, something that would be shared, a common item. One thing that I did find that was interesting was that McBride, who was the prosecutor, there, Mr. McBride, he's the star of the day, as far as I'm concerned, in terms of just his clarity and his ability to get the message across, the same way he fought for one of the affidavits earlier regarding some of the turning point mission, that he pointed out that there's degradation potentially if something is left exposed to the elements. And it took me a second to one, I said, why does he keep bringing up degradation? And I realized, oh, because he's talking about the fact that one of these.

was left on a rooftop, exposed to UVU. It was a sunny day. So, excuse me, exposed to UV light. So it's a sunny day at UVU. And then the other was left in a wooded area. So even for several hours, was exposed to the elements as well. And it seemed to me that he was kind of working his way to lay the foundation to tie that together. Jack, something that's confused me about this case since we first started getting glimpses of screen grabs from the videos is what is,

what is if you know, and it may not have been discussed yet or you may not know, but what is the theory about how the gun was transported there and, and away from there? Because they show him returning to campus in the long pants, and it looks like he's got the long gun down the right leg, which is why he has the limp. But he has the backpack on him. And then we see him get onto the roof, assuming it's Tyler Robinson, I say, see him get onto the roof and we're told he fires the fatal shot and then runs across the roof and has the gun still, and by the way, we believe the screwdriver was necessary to assemble the gun. But if he had the gun down his pants, why would he need to assemble it on the rooftop? And then why, when he ran after the shooting, would the gun remain assembled, which it appeared

to be as he jumped off the side? And then it was found assembled. That's my information in the woods. He didn't disassemble it or stuff it into a backpack. So do we understand anything about how the gun was or was not assembled, what the screwdriver was for, and what he did with the gun? There's a YouTuber, and I have to give a shout out to him named Matt Kester, who's actually done some really, really good reconstructions on this because he's been trying to answer that same question, something that I certainly have thought about over the last 10 months. And he put together a pretty compelling, I guess, reconstruction where he took the two pieces of the Mouser, the stock and then the barrel, separated them.

And he found, I guess, a friend who was pretty much the same build as Tyler Robinson and put the stock down one side of the pant leg and then the barrel down the other and said, look, if you disassemble this into the two major pieces, then so the, the, their barrel would have the scope on it, that it's actually concealable underneath the clothing without even needing to use the backpack. So the backpack could just be the other set of clothes. And then they showed as this individual was walking up and down the stairs or just walking back and forth, he had the exact same sort of stilted gait and limp that we see Tyler Robinson have, but he's still able to bend his knee, move up the stairs. So it may have been that the gun was disassembled, he gets up to the roof, and by the way, I've gone to the campus now and walked this very same area, the stairwell, gone up to the roof, part of it's blocked off now, but got

as close as we could to the area. It's very accessible. This is a campus that's built into the side of a hilly area there off of Utah Lake, and so there's stairwells and walkways all out, all open to the public. It's very, very easy to access this area. And so he gets on the roof then assembles the gun so puts the two pieces back together of the rifle uses the screwdriver and it's very quick kind of like field stripping so a very quick way to reassemble it only takes about 35 seconds and fires the shot and then after firing the shot drops the screwdriver or you know perhaps forgets that it's up there presumably then runs away with it still assembled and we find it still assembled. So that's the best theory that I've seen on this and seems to fit the facts as they lay.

We actually have some of that Matt Kester video demonstrating part of what you just said. We'll look at it now. SOT 41. You remember that image of the gigantic cell phone sitting right here in the thigh? That's your stock. That explains why the leg motion cannot come forward because it's completely locked in and if you see I'll put the video or the image up on the screen in the photo you can start to see an outline of the stock okay this has solved the riddle that has been bugging me the whole time about the bulk of the stock essentially I believe now with 90 something percent certainty that the stock was carried this way and the barrel was carried on the side now whether or not the scope

came off or not that's an item for debate and we can talk about the ramifications of that later but I think with certainty your fair not he can't be certain about anything but I I think as close as we can be too certain this is how this was carried that's why he I think he hooked underneath his armpit kept his arm straight down because you see when he walks his hands of pockets they're out keep your hands out all right now walk towards model walking air block that way yeah it's a similar gate it's it looks like somebody who's lost the full use of their right leg, which is how Tyler Robinson. Yeah, I find it very compelling. I find it very

compelling. Yeah. And on top of that, there's been a debate about whether it would have required some special skill by Tyler Robinson to get onto the roof. That too seems like it was very easy. Brian Enten, reporting for News Nation, he went and did it and filmed himself doing it. And here's that video. The courtyard where the shooting happened is right back there. But this is all, you know, public area where people walk around. If you just go up these stairs right here, I'm going to walk up the stairs, you're suddenly up here. This is a walkway here, okay?

So you can get between buildings here. And on this side, it's now gated off. This was not gated off before. for the Charlie Kirk assassination, but it is now gated off. Basically what investigators said Tyler Robinson did is this gate wasn't here, so he just walked right over to that short little gate that you see over there, that more permanent gate. And then all you had to do is just go right on top of that,

which would anybody could do. It would just take a second. And then walk out on the roof, and right over there on the edge would be a direct view, just the perfect line of sight to where Charlie Currie. was speaking. So very easy. And the only acrobatics required would have been jumping off the roof and running. And we've all seen that video with our own eyes. Clearly, it wasn't much of a challenge. No, it wasn't. And we just got to see Brian the other day. And I thanked him for all the work that he's

been doing out here. He's been here every day as well, doing his reporting. And we went as well. I went with my team to that same area and did the walkthrough. And it, In fact, one piece that I guess I would add is that, so we started right where Charlie's tent was and then just walked from the tent all the way back to the sniper perch and I would say we made it there in about five minutes. This is a very small area and I think it's something that on video you just don't quite see how small it is and how compact of an area it is. It's sort of this fishbowl amphitheater.

And so, you know, while you were going through and indicating the different buildings, the Losi Santos-Orensen, it's all connected. All the buildings are interconnected. And again, it's just very small. So the idea that it would be hard to get up there is, you know, it's just not true. It just doesn't comport with the facts. This is a very small area. It's very easy to get up there.

And it's designed to be able to have access to those roofs and those walkways. And of course, we have only to ask ourselves why they didn't think of that, you know, why the security didn't plan for that. We were told that the local police had assured the turning point security that they were covering it. They weren't. They didn't. And they have only regrets now when they think about that security plan. Jack, we'll check back in with you as this thing goes on. Thanks so much for being there and for coming on today.

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Just want to spend a little bit more time in this Tyler Robinson hearing because this all leads to the obvious question that I raised right before we said goodbye to Jack, which is why wasn't the roof covered? Why wasn't the roof being protected and patrolled? Why 14 months after Butler was Charlie so exposed like a sitting duck down below?

And we do know some of the answers around that. I have spoken to Turning Point myself directly. I did right after Charlie was killed. And they were asking those same questions. And they were told by Charlie's security team that the UVU cops said they had it. That the UVU cops said that they would be patrolling the rooftop. And we heard testimony to that effect.

exactly from the head of Charlie's security team at Turning Point USA, a man named Brian Harpool, who went on with Sean Ryan and showed the text exchanges between himself and the chief of the UVU police force, according to Harpool. And here is what Brian Harple told Sean Ryan. Here's how him describing it. We have some correspondence with the chief of the school on that day, on Monday before Charlie was killed. And why this hadn't come out and why he won't stand up like a man and admit this, I don't know. But he's watching a bunch of men lose their careers. And he's okay with it. On Monday before, this correspondence went to Chief Long.

Hello, Chief Long. We received this message today from the student group. There is a student roof access pretty close to where C.K. will be set up at the Utah Valley. The Sorensen Center has a couple of staircases that go up to walkways on the roofs. He comes back, and for edification, the Sorensen Center was the building in front of the Lucy Center. And so he comes back and says, you want access to the roof and came back and said, I was told students have access above us. If this is true, it would be nice to either have it controlled access or allow one of my guys to be there as well, if possible. He comes back and his last correspondence was, I got you covered. What else am I to do? when a command level a person from an accredited police department says I've got this area

jeez have you been in con who is that that was the chief of police for the UVU police department we've called him he's never called us back holy shit I mean it's it's

chilling and I'd love to hear from that man directly I'm sure he sleeps very poorly at night asking himself why he didn't have it covered after all. There's a separate question of whether that excused Ryan Harpool and the turning point security team from making sure it was covered

because they ultimately were responsible for Charlie's security. My own view on it, having met a bunch of those guys, not, I don't think I've met him, is that any one of them would have happily given their life to protect Charlie, absolutely would have given their life in a heartbeat to protect Charlie. I think this guy trusted the wrong group of people. And I don't know, you know, I've asked various members of my own security team about this sound, but it's been out there for months. Just, you know, shooting the breeze saying,

what did you make of that after the interview came out? Like, do you think that's an okay stance? Do you think he's got a point? And I have to tell you, I have yet to find the security person who thinks, you know, what am I to do when the guy says he's got it covered? Pretty much everybody, and maybe it's just 2020 hindsight, says, no, you make sure when you're the one getting paid to protect a principal, it's your job to make sure everything is covered and you follow up and you make sure

and 14 months after Butler, you make super sure about the roofs. And I believe that. I believe that because the first question virtually all of us asked after Charlie was killed was how could he be killed from the roof 14 months after Butler? How? How could the roof be left unprotected? You know, and it looks like he did think of it. The team did think of it.

And they trusted where they shouldn't have. That's how it looks to me. I'm not an expert, not a security expert. I just know what I saw. And it's heartbreaking because, again, these guys are in the business of protection, and I know they loved Charlie. I know they did.

And I know I saw them days after this happened. And not him again, but the guys I saw were absolutely distraught over what had happened to him. So it's just so unfortunate. And look, it's not about, you know, Charlie's death was caused by his killer. by his killer, but anybody who's ever been exposed to a security threat had questions about how he was so exposed, you know, myself included as his friend and as somebody who has her own

security threats, you know, and Charlie and I had spoken about the security threats that we were facing. So it's just, it's chilling to me, you know, that one, one did come to fruition in his life. I keep thinking about Erica telling me about how he didn't sleep well the night before and she said he got up and Charlie, so Charlie, he got a snack. She said he had a banana and olives. Charlie was so wholesome. At Charlie's Presidential Medal of Freedom ceremony, she talked about how Charlie would only have ice cream. I think she said twice a year, it was either once a year or twice a year, but the one, I think once was on his birthday and the other time was on the 4th of July. He would allow himself some ice cream. He was just so wholesome. He was so committed to wellness,

mental, spiritual, emotional, and physical. And you do wonder whether he had some sort of a premonition before that event that, you know, his wellness was in jeopardy. We'll continue to follow it today. We expect in two hours now. The hearing will resume out in Provo, Utah. And we do believe, though it's not guaranteed, that the Lance Twiggs video testimony will happen today. As a reminder, we are streaming the whole thing live on our YouTube channel,

YouTube.com slash Megan Kelly. So you can watch it there and rest assured if that happens, or no matter what happens, we will have full coverage of the hearing and what happens this afternoon on our regular program tomorrow, as well as a deep dive on this Lance Twigs that we've been working on for a while. In the meantime, I want to continue on and bring in our panel joining us today. We've got a lot of other news. We've got Graham Platner, whose political campaign is continuing its downward spiral. Reports now are that he could be dropping out at any moment. Expect it. And by the way, the ceasefire between the U.S. and Iran, it's over, at least according to President Trump. He's now calling the Iranians sick people and liars and threatening more bombing.

So it's not great. Here to break it all down is Sean Davis. He's CEO and co-founder of the Federalist and Saraba Mari is here as well, the U.S. editor for Unheard. Sean, So Rob, welcome back. Great to have you guys. Good to be here. You know, I know you guys have been covering to some extent what's happening out in Provo. And Sean, that is, it's like, the whole thing is just so chilling. You know, it's like we all cover legal cases all the time. We cover crime. And this one is just, it just has so many different layers to it because it was our friend. It was Charlie. Everyone knew him. Even the audience listening now felt very much like they knew him. He who was a regular guest on this program.

And it is tough to get immediately passed questions like, why wasn't the roof patrolled? You know, it's not to take anything away from the actual killer, but it's just, you know, conservatives are being killed and they're being threatened and these crazy leftists are celebrating it. And you think about the next one and the next one after that and this assassination culture that's taking too many of ours. And, you know, you don't want to see it take any.

anybody, but how we shore up the protection around our public figures like Charlie, who was literally irreplaceable, is obviously on the mind of many. So your thoughts on all of it. Yeah, and I'm so glad you brought that up because I feel like it's gotten lost in a lot of the, you know, examining all the details in the trial and everything. Sorab and I were talking about this off camera before the show and, you know, talking about threats we have to deal with. And to me, it's absolutely unconscionable and it's not talked about nearly enough that if you are a Christian, if you were a conservative or a Republican, you walk out your door every day wondering if someone's going to try and kill you. You walk out the door every day. You go to an event and you wonder if someone's going to try and kill you and kill your family. You talked about it yourself. You have a security team. We all have security teams. We all have to be thinking through every last little thing. We have to micromanage every aspect of our security. We have to start asking questions that no one should have to ask. ask about security at hotels or conferences or things like that. I never hear this conversation among people on the left anymore.

They are not walking around worrying if somebody who's hopped up on hormones and trans surgery is going to try and kill them. This seems to be a threat that is completely isolated to those of us on the right. And thank you for bringing it up because it's totally unacceptable and yet it's been utterly normalized. I don't know how we get back from it. But you talked about Butler. They tried to kill Trump.

They killed Charlie. Instead of everyone getting together after that and saying, hey, we have a real problem with political violence on the left in this country. Everyone's devolved down into conspiracy theories on the far right. Oh, you know, Tyler didn't do it. This country did it. Meanwhile, on the left, they tell us that, oh, actually, it was a right winger who did it, and it's good that it happened.

This is a horrible environment that we are in politically right now, where these are the terms of conversation. these the things we're talking about. It's an utter tragedy. And what I find so frustrating, disheartening is I don't know where we go from here. I don't know how we get back to where we can just disagree over things without wishing everyone who disagree with us got killed or is dead. Yes, yes, yes. I can't tell you the number of conversations I've had over the past year, before that too, but especially since Charlie, as the death threats have escalated exponentially, about fortifying every single area of our lives, every single area, any place I go, any place

I'm going to be, certainly any place we've announced publicly, just in case somebody wants to kill me for my opinions, right? Like, that's what we're talking about right here. That's what Charlie's issue was we're not public officials. We haven't run for office. We're not elected leaders. I'm not saying that makes it better, but it's not a new thought that like a president might be the subject of an assassination attempt.

but we're we're podcasters you know we're we're media we're journalists this is so bizarre so why would somebody want to kill you sean davis or you sarah baramari or me me meg and kelly for our opinions that's why for our opinions it's we've crossed over to a truly bizarrely dangerous way of living where this is just accepted and and 90% of journalists do not have the resources to even employ a security team. Most journalists don't make a lot of money. That would be an impossibility to surround themselves with the appropriate team. Even Charlie, you know, he had a team because he was with Turning Point, but it's a non-profit so rep. It's like there were limits. Even I was mistaken to think that Charlie had a bulletproof vest on. Even when I went out and I hosted his show with the Turning Point crew,

I sat there with them. They were the ones who told me Charlie was not wearing a bulletproof vest. He was relying on that team to protect him. And even they couldn't give him presidential level protection because he's he was a civilian you know he was one of us yeah the the failure here which you highlighted is the fact that no i don't think the t p u s a security team because when you go to a police chief and you say hey like we're concerned about this particular area and he says i've got you covered um that's pretty definitive and as you said megan if i were the shoes of his security team, I would go to bank with that, reliably so. Here's a credible police officer saying, don't worry, I've got that.

And that ends up being precisely the area from which the assassin operated. I do think, so that's a kind of failure of just the idiocy, right? But it's a long way from that to some of the conspiracy theories that were circulated on the hard right where it was like the Egyptian and Israeli governments and all. this stuff, right? Like we, yeah, the threats that we face, although I have to say I don't have a security team, but are much more banal. And it's this kind, there's this specific type of what I call trans involved lefty, crazy person. And he, you know, Tyler Robinson, the alleged assassin fit that profile. There were others. There was the sort of school shooter Catholic school in

Wisconsin. I don't know if you guys remember that case, less, less remembered, of course. But Yes. That's really the profile. That's really the profile. Yes. Often there is marijuana used. Like a possessed leftist. Yeah.

Marijuana used a combination of marijuana use sort of strange sexual attractions and ideology. And so I think that's a more productive area for the right to like talk about than, you know, conspiracy theories, to be honest. Well, you know, what I was saying after Charlie died and, you know, what I was saying, after Charlie died and, I think everyone went a little crazy. I just think that watching our friend get assassinated really did a number on many people. I just like I haven't felt totally myself since. You know, I feel like I've been a little off since and I can see it in a lot of friends. But I think many people reverted to their priors, you know, like people who had been openly fighting with Israel and Israel defenders really wanted to investigate that angle because Charlie, was drifting from the Israeli cause was expressing privately in group chats his consternation with Jewish donors

who were leaning on him not to abandon Israel, not to question Israel to Musilai, right? So they revert to their priors. You know, we, I think I speak for all three of us, have done a lot of coverage on the radical trans-tifas out there who

have, who start with the screw loose and then in some cases add drugs to it or like, obsessive gaming, which communities can be actually disturbing, or you have layer in the furry thing, which actually is also very sick. And we've seen that erupt in violence, not to mention SSRIs, which become a common thread in a lot of these. And who do they take game at? People like us, people like Charlie. So it's like, I'm not surprised at all. You know, I mean, the day after Charlie was murdered, that's exactly where I went. I thought it was over the trans stands. And I went on the

and said, just so, you know, a man cannot become a woman. A woman cannot become a man. There's no such thing as a trans child, you know, and said, you can't stop all of us. Like, well, if this is what this is, is if this is who killed him, you can't stop all of us. I just think people reverted to their priors because, I don't know, we're just getting used to this leftist violence. And so we see through it, what we want to see through it, Sean. Yeah, so I've spent probably, I think, the last 14 years in investigative journalism, um, before that. I was a chief investigator on the hill for Tom Coburn, who is just a renowned investigator of waste and fraud. And there's a thing you learn to do when you're in investigating is that you always kind of have to start with a hypothesis.

You have an idea in your head of what happened. And then from there, you have to look at all the facts and you ask yourself, do all these facts align with this hypothesis I have? And you know what? Sometimes they add up perfectly and you're like, okay, I nailed it. This is what happened. And then sometimes they don't. And it takes time and wisdom and discernment and experience to notice when the facts don't quite line up, to be able to tell yourself, okay, that original hypothesis I had, I don't think that's correct. So what is actually able to explain all these known facts?

What's the thread that runs through all of them? And what's the story that aligns with all of them? And the one in this one is not Israel or Egypt or helicopters or planes or exploding, microphones. It's that we have an utter epidemic of transgender terroristic violence in this country. This wasn't the first time it happened. We have scores of examples. We had a woman who decided she was a boy, go and shoot up a bunch of third graders at a Christian school in Nashville. It happened in Minnesota. It happened in Wisconsin. It is not a big leap to be like, oh, this guy whose DNA is on everything. The guy whose text messages were.

everywhere. The guy who's he's accounted for all over the campus. His parents recognized him. They turned him in. They confessed it. They have all of it in black and white. He was angry over Charlie's belief that boys can't become girls and girls can't become boys. This isn't a

particularly difficult case. This isn't something where we're having to go plumb the depths of the internet and look at this document and that document to figure out what go on. The dots basically connect themselves. It's not a revolutionary theory. This is yet one more example of left-wing transgender terroristic violence. It has to stop. We have to crack down on it. One thing that I've been frustrated by is that we have not seen Antifa be dragged from

their homes, their bank accounts raided, their assets frozen and liquidated, because this is a terrorist movement. It is a demonic, violent, terroristic, ideological movement that has been very open about its aims. And we can't just sit by and wait for one more to happen and then put that person in jail. This is something we actually have to tackle head on. I had hoped it would have happened immediately after Charlie was assassinated. And it wasn't, but it's never too late to start. And I just want to say, for the record, you're fine criticizing Israel. You have not been some shill for Israel, nor have I. Obviously, this whole year has been very tumultuous because I've refused to do that. And I'm with you. I've been very open-minded to, if Israel controls Tyler Robinson and

made him a patsy. What the fuck do I know, whether our government or another does that to people and uses them? I'm not, I'm open-minded to that. The JFK, there's a big whole theory about that, CIA and all that. I get it. I totally get it. But at some point, when we're in court, we need to see some proof that he was controlled, that there was an intervention somehow in his life. Like, we do need some evidence. And by the way, even if that's somehow lurking out there, we just haven't found it yet, today's task is. to figure out whether Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger. That is today's task, and the evidence that he did is overwhelming. It's overwhelming. I mean, it's video. It's digital. There are notes.

There are pictures. There are email correspondence, text messages. There's a witness who's going to take the stand effectively by video, his lover, who we believe is going to point the finger squarely at him and talk of his confession. His parents, we understand at trial, are going to be forced if they don't volunteer to talk about how they were on the receiving end of what has been described as a confession. I actually just pulled that file right here because people don't believe that Tyler Robinson did confess to his parents and they don't believe that that they heard anything from him. Here is from the criminal information filed against him. As they discussed the situation, his parents, with Tyler, Robinson implied that he was the shooter

and stated that he couldn't go to jail and just wanted to end it. When asked why he did it, Robinson explained to his parents, there is too much evil and that Charlie Kirk spreads too much hate. They talked about Robinson turning himself in and convinced Robinson to speak with a family friend who's a retired deputy sheriff. At Robinson's father's request, the family friend met with Robinson and his parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself in. The family friend spoke to police, reported telling Robinson that it would be best if he brought all the evidence with him to the sheriff's office to avoid police having to search his parents home. The family friend also asked Robinson if he had any clothes that were related to what he did.

Robinson replied that he had disposed of the clothes in different areas. And then he went in and did exactly that, turned himself in. That is what's been alleged. That is where the proof is going to take us. If there's more beyond it, I await the proof of it. I mean, I like you, I'm a lawyer. I want proof. I want facts.

I want admissible evidence. that I can then consider as a juror. And that's what I've been doing over the course of this preliminary hearing. And it's taking me in one direction right now. And that is that this is the trigger man. They have the right person. Okay, let's keep going. The Grand Platner implosion has been nothing short of epic.

Epic, so rep. I mean, this guy, he had red flags all over him from the beginning. And I get why the Democrats wanted to look past them. You know, he's, they finally found somebody who seemed like a real man, you know, like, like, not like the Tim Wall's fake man with the camo, you know, like man's man. And they thought, okay, this is, this is it. This is what the right wing has been saying we need to do if we want to win in places like Maine. And they just had willful blindness about the fact that, okay, it should be somebody who can wear

camo credibly, but also doesn't have 25 other problematic allegations around him. and only when they had a leftist come out and say, I love his politics. My adherence to them is the reason it took me this long to come out and tell the world he allegedly raped me. Did they finally jump ship? And we are now hearing, as we sit here at 123 p.m. Eastern, that it's a matter of moments before we get the pre-taped video from Grant Platner

dropping out of this Senate race. So what do you make of how we got here and where we are? So I have two thoughts. First is that, look, after a while, as you said, Megan, once the allegations and different red flags start to pile up, the totality of them becomes hard to resist, right, in terms of how to deal with this, right? So, like, if it were just this allegation, if it were just the other one, if it were just the kind of questionable tattoo, if it were just the fact that he described himself as a

communist on on reddit forums if it were just the fact that he said that he likes he likes to think of himself as raping home intruders not to enjoy it but as an act of dominance like any one of those things that you could sort of contextualize a deal with but the totality uh you know makes it you begin to think look this is this is the higher chamber of our legislative branch and it could be a problem could be a problem um that said i will say i'm at As I, when we discussed it the last time I was on with Sean and Platner was on the agenda, I am deeply troubled by the larger sort of sexual culture of which I would argue both he and his partners are victims in various ways, where there are no guardrails except after the fact accusations that are very hard to refute.

There was no police report at the time. I think it's worth watching Mika Brzeinsky's questioning on Morning Joe, of the political reporter. She does a very forensic job. And yes, lots of people said that they wish she had done the same thing with Christine Blasey Ford. And that's a fair point. Nevertheless, it's worth watching because it's a rare case

where she puts on her journalist hat and becomes very aggressive and questioning. And it's worth watching that because even this set of allegations, look, it's bad, but it's not, there are issues. You know, there's talk of Instagram messages in which she, she reported. reportedly confronted him, the new accuser, or the more recent one, about like his behavior that night. And then the journalist is pressed, like, did you see these? And she's, and the

journalist says, no, you know, she couldn't find a record of them. She said she deleted them all. Right. Again, perfectly plausible. But, you know, when you're talking about an allegation that can not only derail someone's campaign, but essentially ruin their life, I think the evidentiary standard has to be high. And so I have my discomfort with the kind of larger sexual and sort of evidentiary culture that's leading to this. However, to go back to my initial point, again,

if it were just the one thing, I would be a grand platinum bitter ender. But because it's not, and because there are so many other character red flags, and this is the United States Senate, You know, I think his candidacy becomes unsustainable. I got you. I totally understand. I think you're in a very reasonable place. I mean, I confess that I saw Lindsay Feifield, who is the woman who they did feature,

who the three of us discussed when this hit in the New York Times. She's a conservative, and she dated Graham Platner. Obviously, you know, her politics didn't make her not want to date him. So clearly they're not making her want to sink him now. but many of the critics of that New York Times article that first disposed some of his female problems when dismissed her because she's a conservative. Oh, she's a conservative operative. But she's out there with Jake Tapper now, and she's talking about Graham Platner. I don't know if we actually have this one. But she's talking about how he allegedly would take off the condom. Forgive the graphic descriptions here. But like, right, and like surreptitiously remove the condom.

And I'm thinking to my, and then I'm like, well, that's, that's not great. I mean, that's, you know, you do need consent. Then she says repeatedly, maybe six times. I'm like myself, okay, if this is important to you, after your partner does this to you once, you're either out or, you know, like, it's very strange to come back all this time later, years later, and for the three of us, you know, Sean Davis of the Federalist, Sarabamari of Unheard and Megan Kelly of the MK show, to be litigating whether he took the condom off or not and how many times it was.

And was there implied consent? Because you'd let him get away with it times one, two, three, four, and five. So on six, like, where are we that we're now evaluating that stuff in assessing who belongs in the U.S. Senate? And I know it's not my turn. But how is he supposed to refute that? Like, it's the kind of thing where it's so he said, she said, years. later, right? And they both are based on, they both say these are based on recollections or

compilations of memories and so on. See, it's impossible to refute. And so again, as a father of a boy, I want to hold him accountable. And it certainly clearly doesn't belong in the Senate, right? The totality of the accusations is too much. But at the same time, the entire sort of culture we've built in which this sort of accusation can dis derail a life and a career needs to be reconsider. It won't be in the context of Grand Platner, but it's a larger, like, national and cultural project we need to have. It involves parents. It involves government.

It involves pastors and so on. It just, as you could tell, I get kind of angry about this kind of where it's like he's, he's supposed to refute the condom allegations 12 years later. Come on. Come on. How? I know. Like how? And even with this woman, this latest accuser who's come forward to say that he went into her home, you know, she says, she talks about it. She doesn't say he raped me. I told him no. And he forced me. She says something like he's, he's violated the language of consent repeatedly. It's like, consensually careless is the language she used. consensually care like, what does that mean?

I, you know, I get it. He seems like a scumbag. I'm not going to lie. I have no problem with him getting booted as the Democratic nominee for Senate, none whatsoever. But I share some of your same concerns. John, what do you make of it? Yeah. To me, it's just like a story that's a clown car of terrible judgment involving every single person.

And I'm going to apologize for coming across is the prude here. But we actually have this amazing institution in America. I call it marriage. And within marriage, you know, sex is normal. That's what it's designed for. You can do things and you don't have to worry about being accused of rape or non-consent. And I think when people go down this path, when they're being promiscuous, when, you know, they're with a guy like Graham Platner, who's obviously a dirtbag that they've had a long-time

sexual relationship with, bad things happen there. Okay? So I'm not trying to be judgmental. I'm trying to, like, tell people that when you go down that road, you are setting yourself up for bad outcomes. Graham Platner, you're going to be accused of rape later. The women who are now talking about this stuff publicly, you had to go through that.

Number one, now you're deciding to talk about it publicly, so like your husbands get to learn all about it now. I bet that's super fun for them. It's in the news, so your kids are going to read about it one day. Does anyone think that everything that happened here has been good for anyone involved? No, they all made terrible decisions, okay? sleeping with Grand Platner.

Bad decision. Being promiscuous before marriage or ever. Bad decision. Talking in great detail about your sex life to the New York Times. Bad decision. Telling Jake Tapper about condom use in your sex life. That's a bad decision. It's just terrible judgment all the way around. And by the way, Democrat voters, you voted for this guy knowing what was going on,

that he had a Nazi tattoo and that he got a little handsy and maybe, you know, kind of rapey. And you voted for him anyway. I hate everyone in the story. Everyone is an idiot. Everyone has terrible judgment. And can we just go back to all making good decisions that we all know we're good? Is that so hard? Apparently it is.

All I can think about is Eric Swalwell and the women who came forward against him who were like, and he date, rape, drugged me and then raped me. And then I called him a year later and asked him if he wanted to get drinks. But I'm definitely a victim. I'm really sad about my victimhood, but it's like, and then I did it again a year later. But I'm telling you, he gave me a date rape drug and raped me, and that should mean he lose. It's like, I'm sorry, but what person gets back together with her alleged druggist rapist and just, you know, because he could write me a recommendation?

Like, I have a really hard time swallowing that whole thing. Not that Swalwell's not a dirt back he is. But in any event, that's where we are. He's leaving the race. going to happen there? Is this, is this good for Republicans because a flawed candidate is now exiting, Sean, or is this bad for Republicans? No, reverse that. Is it good for Republicans because a flawed candidate is exiting the Dem race and they can replace him with somebody better who could more easily take down Susan Collins? Or is it, is it good for Republicans because

scandal, they're a hot mess, whoever comes in now has a short runway. And then there's to, To her credit in this context, plain old boring Susan Collins on the other end. Yeah, I've got bad news for Democrats here in that we were never going to beat Susan Collins anyway. So like they've gone through this whole ridiculous charade with this idiot who wasn't going to beat her even if he wasn't a total freak show. He wasn't going to beat her if he was awesome. So it's just like this voluntary sepacu that the Democrat party has put them through. You know, in the long run, it's probably better for Republicans. to see this total CF going on with them.

They can't do anything right. Now they're going to overrule their own primary voters and airdrop someone in that they didn't want, which is exactly what they did when they put Biden aside, even though everyone knew he was a vegetable, and then installed Kamala. So, like, yeah, long run, it probably helps Republicans. But Democrats, I know, maybe it's actually good news for them.

It doesn't matter what you're going to do. She's going to win anyway. So God bless and have fun. So Sean is on a role. You guys both are on a role today. She got brought the heat today. I appreciate it. They are looking at this guy to replace Graham Platner, who's got his own issues, according to, what was it, progressive democracy or progressive victory. This other guy who they're looking at has some alleged history of throwing

a bottle at a woman and hitting her. So they're struggling to find somebody who they could really sell. They are facing a short runway. And today's, the daily podcast from the New York Times was all about what what Sean just said. They're worried on Team Blue about the fact that it was grassroots. It was grassroots. The lie they told us about Kamala and that's which Roo didn't stick and that they won't be able to get away with that twice. Well, luckily in Texas, they're running a former vegan who believes God is non-binary.

So that I mean, this is. He's not a vegan. He put out a picture of him eating a big wing. I said former. But yeah, look, I mean... He's a vegan. You know, look, this is an easy year for Democrats, or that's what we were told, right? Inflation is high.

There's an unpopular quasi-war afoot in the Middle East. And also just generally, voters tend to punish the incumbent party at midterms. So, like, so easy to just run, like, normal... nominees, like how hard is it to find someone for Texas? I'm talking about James Del Rico, who doesn't have crazy heterodox views as a Christian, right? In Maine, I think, in all fairness, and I say this is a matter of equity, I do, I'm not a Democrat, but if I were, I would say grand platinor should be allowed kind of pretty exclusive kingmaking authority because he won so overwhelmingly in the primary. So to like for the for the local Republican, sorry, for the local

Democratic Party to sort of parachute their own choice in, someone who has within the spectrum of the left views that are completely contrary to Platoners, I think that's somehow worse than running Plattenor as as flawed and damaged as he is. So that's, I think, I think that's the general point is that, you know, and if he, if I were on his team, I would say like, yeah, you know, you want to make it painless, like there has to be serious consultations. But also, I think from a small D-democratic matter, the guy did win overwhelmingly. And much of it was out there when voters went to the polls and chose him anyway as the party's nominee. So virtually all of it. Virtually all of it. That's right. So let him have his, let him have his say. Yeah, because

now they're warring. His team wants to say in who the replacement would be. And the party's like, F you, you're too rapy, to use your word, Sean, to be involved. The guy who I mentioned, who allegedly has some accusation of throwing a bottle at a woman and hitting her is Troy Jackson. He's a logger by trade and a former state senator who lost last month's Democratic primary for Maine governor. And he submitted a filing with the Federal Election Commission on Tuesday, setting up an, quote, exploratory committee to replace Plattner. So they certainly seem to be looking at this guy, Troy Jackson, but I can't imagine why they'd want to replace one who's got a woman problem with another

who's got a woman problem. I guess it's just going to be fun to watch how they handle this problem because it's their problem for once it's their problem and not about a Republican behaving badly with women or otherwise. Okay, there's more to discuss, including Carmelo Anthony, who's just filed an appeal and is asking for the judge who oversaw the judge who oversaw. his case to be removed. This guy would normally handle any post-conviction motions, not the appeal that's going to go up to the appellate court, but we'll explain why they're trying to get this guy

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They're scum. They're sick people. They're led by sick people. And they're vicious, violent people. And if they had a nuclear weapon, they'd use it. As far as I'm concerned, it's over. I'll speak to our negotiators. They want to negotiate. They're good people. Steve Whitkoff, Jared Kushner. But they have to come back to me. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a waste of time dealing with them. They're liars. We make a deal. And if I make a deal with him, we have a deal. And he goes out. He talks. We make a deal. Everyone's agreed. No nuclear weapon. We make a deal. They go outside, talk to the press. They say we never even talked about it. There's something wrong with them. They're cuckoo. As far as I'm concerned, it's over. President Trump on Iran and the ceasefire, as you heard, now being over. Basically, what happened was, you know, the strait was supposed to be open. They bombed three ships in the strait of Hormuz because they didn't like the route it was taking closer to Amman. I don't know. Who cares.

They bombed three ships. Trump got pissed. He dropped bombs on them. Then they dropped bombs as they had been during the war on our military bases in Bahrain and Kuwait. And now Trump's angry. And you heard him there saying they're cuckoo. They're crazy. I can't deal with these people. The ceasefires over. And there may be more bombs coming their way now. Which is not great. And I'm back to are we are we back in the escalation trap, Sean Davis? Where does this go? Because this is really not great. And our pals are more neocon hawkish pals over on Fox and people at CNN, too, are, I mean, salivating this morning. They're so excited that this thing may be getting rejiggered back into action. Yeah. Wow. They are cuckoo for cocoa pops.

It's the whole situation is good. Thank you. It's just kind of absurd. But I don't think we are on this permanent escalation ladders. is the foreign policy dorks might say, because Iran can't really escalate beyond taking pot shots. I'm also not even sure the people who he was negotiating with may even be aware of it. I don't think we have a good full understanding of command and control over there. We killed so many of their leaders.

Was this, you know, a directive from the central government? Are these people factions within the Iranian military who just want the war to go on because it strengthens their hand? I have no idea, but this is kind of like the maximum of what Iran is able to do. And I think it's especially interesting. Why do you say that? Why can't they just close the straight again like they did before? And that's and put us back into that same economic pain that led us to want to deal in the first place. They may be able to try that.

But what's interesting here, I think, is where Trump is and what he's doing this week. So he is in Turkey. He's meeting with NATO. The Strait of Hormuz is not something that's particularly essential for America. We don't get most of our oil through there. But Europe does. And NATO exists to protect Europe. It doesn't really exist to protect the United States.

And so the fact that this is kind of bubbling up now, it strikes me as a largely European problem, that this is a problem that NATO and Europe are going to need to solve. We caused it, but they have to fix it. Honestly, I'm fine with that. I got to be honest. It's like the pottery barn thing. Like, I went in, I handled stuff. I broke this stuff.

if I got out of the store and I'm already on the subway home, does it have to be my problem? I kind of share that view. I've got to be honest, like, sorry, we broke it, but we did actually bomb a lot of things in there that will wind up potentially protecting Europe in some way. I guess, Arab is the argument. I don't know. What do you think of all this? I think the Iranians are overplaying a good hand, right? They had this capacity, which they didn't even weren't fully aware of it, which is to choke this global energy point. Unfortunately, because commodity markets are global and their sort of oil is fungible, if you squeeze supply at one point, you do get pain in the American consumer as well as actually isn't reflected

in inflation numbers here and at the gas prices during the kind of peak of the war. But be that as it may, like they recognize they have this capacity, but they're now overplaying their hand. They want full control over the Strait of Hormuz. And, you know, the memorandum of understanding does allow them to have. have a say over it. But if there are disputes, there are supposed to be mechanisms for resolving it that don't involve just firing at civilian ships and asking questions later. I was, I joined the vice president as a reporter on his negotiations in Switzerland, and he touted this kind of communication link that was supposed to emerge between the United States and Iran so that they

could de-escalate things. And I think Vance is right here. He says, he has tweeted since then, And they know they can pick up a phone and if they have an issue, there is a negotiating table and we can resolve it. So this kind of behavior where you just fire at random civilianships, it's unjust. It's irresponsible. And ultimately, you know, what the United States can do, I don't think will ever return to a big escalatory war ever again. I mean, or I shouldn't say ever, but it seems unlikely. There's very little appetite for it from the president on down. But the U.S. can just reimpose its blockade and just squeeze Iran at a distance without getting into sort of firing, you know, just full on war.

And Iran is at some point. Although Trump did say we are going to be hitting them again tonight and the U.S. is clawing back its oil sanctions waivers that we offered to them as part of this deal, which you would expect. Like that's we said all along. If you behave badly, we're going to take back some of the. relief that we're about to give you. Yeah, that's like skirmishes or taking pacha. It's not quite the same as a as a full war. So again, I think the blame here lies mostly with the Iranian regime and the fact that, again, there was a whole mechanism set up so that if you have complaints about how the memorandum is being implemented or how it should be implemented, we're across the table

from each other and we talk. So, you know, if the United States can impose a great deal of pain on Iran without without it really being full on war. So if they want to go down this route, let them and they're going to feel the pain. If you have complaints, please press one pound. Don't blow up the phone line entirely. There are other methods to take care of these problems. All right, before we go, I've got to show you Sonny Hosten of the View. It was the big Fourth of July celebration. I'm sure you guys had a great time with your family, as did we. And this is what Sonny Haustin's thinking about these days. And with an American flag

on that cap, you might as well have a hood on, you might as well have a hood on, because that's what it looks like, that's what it feels like. But you say this is the best nation. It's the best nation for who. Yeah, when you say it's the best nation, the best nation for who, because if we are celebrating 250 years, what are we exactly celebrating?

Is what I want to know. And so I'm really glad that picture was taken, because that picture is how we feel, walking into many rooms down the street. That picture is how we feel and nobody will believe us. So look at that picture and understand how it feel. And you never should be made to feel like that. It's wrong. And I said this on this show many, years ago, because this is my 10th year on the show. And I said there are times when I walk into a community and I see American flags all over the community and I suddenly feel unsafe because

there is a section of this country that has co-opted the American flag. And they equate being an American or an American flag with white supremacy. And that should never be the symbol of white supremacy, but they have weaponized. Shut up. All right, Sean. You want to take that

in the minute we have left? Yeah, we actually have a rule in our HOA that every house has to have a flag to make sure Sonny Hosen doesn't show up. You know, we do it for our protection. Everyone, everyone's good. You have to have at least three. You've got to have one in the backyard

on the mailbox and in the front of the house. because you can't be too sure these days. She might just show up. She lives in a palace. This woman is one of the richest women in America, and yet she's still, she's going to be targeted. This is her home. She's going to be targeted just because of the color of her skin

because you can see how unfair America has been to her. Guys, love talking to you. Thanks for being here. Soreb, Sean, you too. We'll do it again soon. All the best. And we'll have much more tomorrow on the Tyler Robinson hearing.

In the meantime, check it out at YouTube.com slash Megan Kelly. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show, no BS, no agenda, and no fear.