The Megyn Kelly Show - "The View" Exposed, Biden's Glitzy Fundraiser, and MSNBC's Tantrums, with The Fifth Column Hosts | Ep. 752

Episode Date: March 28, 2024

Megyn Kelly is joined by Kmele Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welch, hosts of The Fifth Column podcast, to discuss former President Trump attending the wake of the NYPD police officer who was murdered, President Biden attending a giant fundraiser in NYC with former Presidents Obama and Clinton, Lizzo, and Stephen Colbert instead, NYC crime skyrocketing despite spin from politicians, NBC executives potentially getting fired now that Ronna McDaniel has been pushed out, the hypocrisy and temper tantrum by MSNBC hosts, the false claim that the media are brave truth-tellers, the hostility against Coleman Hughes from Sunny Hostin and other "The View" hosts, Hughes calmly destroying Hostin's arguments, the media falsely calling Coleman a conservative, Don Lemon struggling to ask basic questions, Lemon not understanding free speech, Lemon's reported requests of Elon Musk, the anti-Israel protesters at Vanderbilt, the claim that a protester was being denied the right to change her tampon, language-policing taking over our college campuses, the allegations against Diddy, the reality of sex trafficking, and more.Find more from The Fifth Column: https://wethefifth.substack.com/ Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow 

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, coming to you live from Sirius XM headquarters in New York City with my pals from the Fifth Column. We're making this like a, not an annual, a monthly, a monthly live in person. And I'll introduce them properly in one second. A short time from now, President Biden is due to land in the Big Apple for a star studded campaign fundraiser tonight with former presidents, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. All right. So you've got three former presidents joining in New York City today to raise money for Joe Biden and a fourth former U.S. president showing up for a very different reason. Tonight's event is expected to bring in a whopping twenty five million dollars for Joe Biden, with Stephen Colbert, quote, moderating Mindy Kaling, hosting appearances from Lizzo and more. Guests who pay enough can have their portrait taken with the three presidents for the low, side, where former President Donald Trump has also planned a trip to New York today.

And there's his trip is for very good reason. The current president will hobnob with the elite, with the elites, while the former president, Donald Trump, will be in Long Island to attend the wake of the first NYPD cop killed in the line of duty since 2022. We're going to get to all of this. What a juxtaposition just in your mind. And I'm sure by the end of the day on screen, uh, so much more to talk about, including the amazing Coleman Hughes's appearance on the view. If you haven't seen it, it's well worth watching the whole thing. I posted it on X in, in full. So you can just watch it there or wherever you want. Our pals joining us from the fifth column today, Michael Moynihan, Camille Foster, and Matt Welsh. Back with us in studio

here at SiriusXM. Find all of their work at wethefifth.substack.com. Hi, guys. Hi. How are you, Megan? Great to have you. You know what happened is I asked them to make the prompter smaller, like the type, and I'm actually having difficulty reading it. It just kept stumbling. I thought you were just making all that up.

I couldn't see anything there. That is tiny. Kelly McGuire, my crack producer, wrote that, and I took a look at it before the show, but it's tiny. It was tiny. Okay. I do think it's a remarkable split screen to have three former Democratic presidents over there raising $25 million for Joe Biden, while one former Republican president is there at the wake of this murdered cop.

It's a terrible look for Joe Biden. Kareem Jean-Pierre was asked, is Joe Biden, you know, would he like to say something? Is he going to do something in response to this officer being shot down just as he tried to check a car that was sitting in a park, a bus lane, and got shot. He's a 31-year-old guy, has a one-year-old son, married. No. You know, so sorry about the loss of life. In fact, we have that. We can kick it off with Karine Jean-Pierre remarking on it. Here we go. Our hearts go out to this officer who tragically lost his life in the line of duty. We're also praying for his family. President Biden is deeply grateful for the sacrifices police officers make to keep our community safe.

This shooting is yet another painful reminder of the toll of gun violence, what it's doing to inflict on families and our communities and our nation. And that's why the president signed more than two dozen executive actions. That's why we're able to pass a bipartisan agreement to deal with the gun violence that we're seeing in this country. Obviously, more work needs to be done. It's about gun violence. Officer Jonathan Diller, his wake will happen today on Long Island. His funeral is set for Saturday.

The suspect, Guy Rivera, here he is. Poor guy. God rest him. The suspect, Guy Rivera, was found to have a shiv stored in his rectum during the shooting in an apparent anticipation of being sent to jail again. One can only hope it gets used against him soon. And he's arrested and responsible, according to the cops, for the murder of this young cop. What do you guys make of it? It's just monstrous. It is unfortunate that there is a political dimension to acts of violence like this, but there is certainly with respect to New York and local politics

and how the city has just been in this very weird place. I'd say we saw a monstrous climb in violence in the city. It's gone down in a pretty dramatic way as well, but only because it went up so big. But with respect to presidential politics, the national politics, I mean, I feel a little bad for Corinne Jean-Pierre there. She has a president who probably doesn't have the stamina to make it to a wake early in the day and then go to a big event like this. And by the way, Camille, on that point, he's got several hours of free time between the time he arrives momentarily and this evening's event.

He could go. One could imagine what he might look like later in the evening, though. I mean, the guy just does not have the stamina to do it when he's doing the State of the Union in the evening. He's resting up all day to go to that event. So their hands are perhaps somewhat tied. That said, it is a really, really bad look from a political yeah i mean it regardless if if you think this is smart to politicize certain things like that's irrelevant

in a way but it is political is it reminded me of 2006 sorry 2020 when i was in wisconsin and after the jacob blake shooting, which left him paralyzed. And of course, the original narrative of that was that he was just going to break up a fight. It turned out he was like, you know, had a restraining order and he had a knife on him and pulled the knife. I was there and I said, oh, God, this everything just shut down. Well, President Trump came to town and he was surveying the damage, all the stuff that was burned down. But I think it was the same day or maybe the morning after, Joe Biden met with Jacob Blake and his family.

And Jacob Blake is not a good guy. And what happened to him was his own damn fault. I'm sorry to say. But, you know, I mean, it's like even when Queen Jean-Pierre says, and I hate to nitpick like this, he lost his life in the line of duty. He was murdered. And I watched the video, which I do not recommend anyone watches. There's another video that was released today, which you can just hear him screaming and writhing in pain after he's been shot.

But it's important to see those things because those bring home just the hideousness of this violence and the effect it has on. Obviously, this guy is a very young child and a wife, and it's absolutely awful. You would imagine that in a presidential race, which is all about gesture politics, it's the only thing it is. I mean, you would make that gesture and go do it. And Donald Trump's going to step into that breach there and do it. It's the right decision, I would say. It's no, it's no, why wouldn't Joe Biden go to this? I'm sorry, but like this cop is going to be, his picture is going to be used in this campaign for the next seven months if he completely blows this off because the Democrats have been criticized, been criticized for being too soft on crime. This guy was a career criminal who shot this cop, had been arrested 21 times.

He was out on parole. I mean, anybody who's got the shiv up the anus in anticipation of the cops pulling them over is a career criminal with whom society should be done. We should be done with him. But, you know, New York City went cash bail. We've had soft on crime prosecutors. A lot of people believe that's why we've had the decrease in crime. Rafael Mangal has been saying that, that don't believe these soft, these lower crime numbers because the cops aren't making the arrest now. They know that the people just get turned right back out on the street.

In any event, people are angry about the crime situation, even though it's kind of like the economy where we're being told, oh, it's better, it's better, it's better. Well, tell it to the family of this officer. Yeah. Eric Adams had a press conference and he's like literally schizophrenic, at least on a policy level, level because on one hand he'll portray the city as a hellhole and the next day he's like i can't believe everyone's calling this place a hellhole all trains are safe yeah you pay no attention to the national guard and by the way you can come here and someday you get a 9-11 if anyone doesn't remember that what is great about new york someday another. I was like, this man is deranged. He had. Sorry.

He listed it as one of the great things about New York. He literally listed it. If you don't believe me, go look this up. He had at his press conference this week a big prop arrow pointing down. It's an orange arrow pointing down. And it had 5.6% saying, since I've been mayor, crime on the subway has gone down 5.6%. No, it hasn't. It hasn't. Like reported crime.

Sure. Right. I was just today taking the subway here and on the eighth or so stop, I was remarking to myself in my interior monologue, jabbering like a crazy person. Like everyone else in the train. Remarking to myself yeah this is the first time that i've taken a train ride in weeks where i haven't seen some kind of jabbering lunatic or someone who's asleep in their own feces or something and just when that happened the jabbering lunatic came staggering down the aisle and and not menacing people but just like freaking people out i mean that that

is the observed reality. This week, four people have died so far. Probably more. But since on Monday and Tuesday of this week, where I think we're on Thursday now, four people died. Some were killed. One was a teenager one stop away from my house who's one year older than my daughter. Was walking on a catwalk. Got hit by a subway car. There's just no way in which you don't feel like the city is less safe than it

was five years ago. And the subways in particular, and the juxtaposition is astonishing, right? You have Stephen Colbert, who was funny 15 years ago, but has become part of this kind of claptor democratic chorus, comedy in air quotes, you know, is giving a radio city musical $25 million fundraiser in a city that has a lot of rich people. It's great to be rich. It's awesome. And if you're super rich, it's great to live in Manhattan and it's great to live in Hollywood and other places like that. But all you have to do is look around you. And the same is true in Chicago, where the Democrats are really wisely having their Democratic National Convention this year. There are dysfunctions happening in major cities that are obvious to the people who live there that aren't rich.

And to have and to allow that and like even showcase that disparity is amazing. And also, it must be said that Biden is going to have a huge fundraising advantage all throughout this presidential campaign because Donald Trump is raising every single dollar to pay for his own legal. Tom Wolf would have a full. He would have a field day fires of vanities. It's like, I, I have to point this out all the time and it's frustrating to do so. But when people talk about the numbers in New York and the numbers have gone up, particularly in the subway, subway crime, but I always hear these like pompous assholes that are just on, you know, what's happening.

If you look at the numbers, I was like, dude, I ride the subway every day. I texted these guys last night. We recorded last night. The episode will be up later. It's an outrageous one. You'll enjoy it. I left and I got on the subway at Spring Street and it was the fucking Michael Jackson thriller video. There's just zombies.

And I was like, and I said, this is how crazy it is. As I said to Camille, this guy came up to me and he was like, you look like Robin Williams. And I was like, no, I don't. I don't look like Robin Williams. Like a hairy. What are you talking about? What did you actually say? Yeah.

I said, please leave me alone. Here's a dollar. Go away. But that is the thing. And they say, well, subway crime. Matt is right. Every time you're on the subway, there's something. Every time.

None of this is reported. What do you do? You call 911 and say it's full of crazy people that are menacing. I sent you guys a video this morning that was taken on the subway last night of a guy going around and punching. I saw him. You can't call the police. Nobody calls the police. What are you going to say? There's a crazy person on the subway who didn't hurt anyone, but was menacing people. Okay. That's not recorded. And if you ride the subway as much as I do, and I do, this is a class issue because Matt is right to point that out. When you have these pompous people right over here at, you know, literally a block away, you know, $25 million,

you know, a hundred thousand dollars to take a picture with these desiccated old presidents, well, the normal people living in this city are riding the subway and seeing something that these people will never see in their lives. Yeah. Or never see it again if they ever saw it in the past. And to live in this world and when people say, well, actually, here are the numbers. And I'm like, I'm sorry. At least it's not 1975. At least it's not 1975.

So four people were murdered last week. Down from five. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a win. It's not as bad as Baghdad in 2002, though. What? How is this one of these comparisons? No, but I do think it's like it's pretty devastating. It's pretty dumb for the Biden campaign to have proceeded with this,

understanding the optics of what's happening in the New York City area today. This is going to be out on Long Island. Massapequa is on Long Island, where this officer is going to be waked and then the funeral this weekend. But what a stupid thing to have your $25 million glitzy fundraiser with former presidents on the night of this man's death and the honor that's going to be paid to him today of the wake. And I think they're going to live to regret it because I think most Americans are going to have that cop's death on their mind as they go into this evening and see the glitzy coverage of Colbert and Lizzo and whoever else is going to be there with these three. And then Trump's going to be

all over the news as having been at the wake. I mean, it's a very, very different juxtaposition. So that's CBS. I mean, I remember the days when they wouldn't have let a late night host go and host something like this because Stephen Colbert is associated with CBS. And they would have said, no, it doesn't look good for the network. I need an election year for you to be fundraising for the Democratic candidate. Literally fundraising. Literally. Not like emceeing, but like add a fundraiser.

Add a fundraiser. Yeah. So that's CBS. Used to be very storied and respected. And that brings me to NBC, another big network. You may be familiar. They were in the news this week. Have you, do you have any relationship with them?

Did you ever, have you watched it? It's like? It's not very good, just so you know. This whole area. All my past ghosts are everywhere. The ghosts of Megan's past. Except to watch it serious in the lobby. Thank God I found my way to the right building, ultimately. are reports that there are a possibility some executives might be, their necks might be on the chopping block over at MSNBC or NBC as reports emerged that the head of MSNBC was actually in on the decision to hire Ronna McDaniel. Even though, like as soon as her people started freaking out on her, she's like, she will never be on MSNBC, never be on MSNBC. Meanwhile, turns out she was behind the scenes approving the hire that had not been disclosed. And now

there are reports that multiple reporters inside of NBC are scared that their Republican sources are going to dry up and that they'll never get Republicans on either MS or regular NBC again. Do they have Republicans on them? I know. I'm like, which Republicans are these? Michael Steele. Really right wing people like Michael Steele and Nicole Wallace, right? Right. But I will say, I'm not sure. I actually think the last point is kind of interesting because do you think core MAGA is going to refuse to deal with the NBCs of the world, Meet the Press and so on, Lester Holt, as a result of this, because I don't think they care about Ronna McDaniel. I think that's right.

And I also think they want media coverage. So I think big NBC will not pay any penalty for this. I mean, they'll pay a penalty internally, not externally from MAGA. I mean, the people on the outside watching this are mostly just rubbing their hands. How can you have an actual internal leadership crisis based on the hiring and unhiring of another political hack to be a panelist? That's crazy. You are running your organization so badly when that happens. And now we're getting leaks, right?

Showing Rashida Jones here. That didn't come from her. I don't think the news that she had been part of that. So, you know, if you're on the Republican strategist, the Democratic strategist. Now, maybe there'll be the never Trumper and the MAGA person. Right. But like they don't expect those people to be neutral truth seekers. Right. It's not hard.

Right. You know what they're doing when they're up there. What's happened over the last 10 years is that in all of cable news, but even more on CNN and MSNBC than were had been previously. The space for the actual MAGA contingent of the Republican Party, which is the dominant contingent, has shrunk down, even while the self-conception of the places is like, no, we're not doing partisan cope television. No, that's not what we're doing. What we're doing is neutral truth seeking.

Right. And whenever we see somebody out there, somebody named Donald Trump, usually who's saying things on camera live, the first thing that we're going to do when the comes back into the studio is tut tut about all the falsehoods that we're just going to have to debunk right now in real time, because the truth is what matters at this network. Damn it. I think they have gotten high on their own supply. They don't realize how the rest of the world understands them accurately, which is not even to say that like, oh, they're bad because they're liberal.

It's like, no, you're just on, you're a partisan cope. Fox is a partisan cope too, in a different direction. Fox manages to have liberals and progressives on air. They would have more of them on air if they would actually come over. And that's the dimension of this particular controversy that I find so weird. Miss Romney McDaniels, McDaniels Romney, depending on the day. She's Romney's niece.

She was pushed out of the game. And she had to give up Romney because Trump didn't like it. She did that for him, and then she's pushed out by him. And that is the person that MSNBC just hired. You people ought to be able to run rings around her in a debate.

Bring her on once per day. Could be fun. Dress her down for five minutes of shame. You're terrified of the prospect of having her on air. What do you think about your viewers? What do you think about yourselves? You imagine that your arguments are so facile that they can't stand up to her being in the room

interrogating them? It is obscene. It's a good point. Did you ever, Megan, when you were working in television, get the impression that the people that were ruling over you, signing your paychecks, were complete morons? There was a moment that I realized that they were all stupid. And you look at MSNBC. Other than Roger. Roger was not stupid. Like he is, I mean, if you look at him in the Nixon campaign,

you're like, wow, this guy has a storied history and you can love him or hate him. But he was a smart guy. No, but over at NBC, it was the classic, like Harvard educated, have absolutely no feel for what actual people care about. So like, I always think back when they were getting criticized MSNBC and they start becoming a very liberal network and people say, this is who we are and we have no black executives so they start on this kind of you know rashida jones the head of the network is black they said we need somebody to host a show in the most kind of upper west side white person thing they're like i don't know al sharpton he's like a black guy and they gave him a show it's like what is wrong

with these people he can't even read the prompter. Which gave us so many great compilations of his teleprompter. And on SNL, making fun of him for that. That's the least of his problems. That's the least of his problems. I mean, actually, they have him on and they say, oh, Rona McDaniel, she was horrible on January 6th. It's like, do you want to go back into Al Sharpton's past? Right. And all the proms that he tried to precipitate.

Raise your hand if you tried to start a race war. Raise your hand. Anybody? Multiple times. Let's note that Megan's hand was up. She went, I know. She told that before. But this is a bad hire. Just from a television perspective, it's a bad

hire because if you've seen her on television it's like, oh God, this woman. She's not good at it. You get somebody who's good at it. But also, it's a bad hire. Because if you've seen her on television, it's like, oh God, this woman. She's not good at it. You get somebody who's good at it. But also, it's good television to have people disagree once in a while. In this kind of amen choir that you get, particularly when it's election nights

and the MSNBC table has 70 people around it, like, mm-hmm, yes. Michael Steele comes in and he's like, I was a Republican. I was like, yes, you're a good guy. This is bad TV. And then you hire this dope, and he's like, I was a Republican. I was like, yes. You're a good guy. Like, this is bad TV. And then you hire this dope. And I'm sorry, she's dope.

But you keep saying this, like, well, she's lied about something. OK, let's go back from 2017 to 2021. And let's just do an audit of Rachel Maddow's show. Yeah. Convincing Americans that we're being ruled by a puppet of the FSB and the Kremlin. Maybe that has kind of malicious and bad side effects. Well, I wish I, one of these days I'm actually going to wear her little outfit. Cause there's only the one that she wears. I'm going to take off all the makeup.

I'm going to, I'm going to pull my hair back even tighter than this. And I'm going to do a real imitation of her. Cause I watched her for 27 minutes the other night for the first time. I don't remember ever doing that before. And it was the most like she was like yeah yeah it's very performative right it was so performative like really trying to get like you know we're gonna find out whether whether the congress will do its job or not whether the supreme court will do its job or not and then the credits roll and she walks out into her helicopter and disappears.

She's a woman of the people though. Woman of the people. You have some work to do on the eyebrows though. Like the eyebrow placement is really- Well, that's thanks to my doctor. There's nothing that can be done about that for another three or four months. You haven't felt those.

I'm not gonna- The toilet center. So, all right, predictions. Do you believe that an executive at MSNBC or NBC will be fired? I predict yes. Can you fire Rashida Jones? No. Can you do that?

I didn't think so. Dynamics are hard. She's got the double. That's the whole thing. Black and a woman on fire. That's all they care about. We tried to fire Camille. And like, we don't even care about this politics.

And he's like, nope. Sorry. It's in the rule book. As he refers to it, he has the melanin force field which is camille's term for his protection i think they have to fire somebody because they have a staff revolt and i mean it's the thing that we've seen so many times although it feels a little bit hungover right it was like that was classic 2020 behavior started with the me too ramp up and then like when everyone lost their mind in the summer of 2020 the woody allen book spotify with rogan yeah staff revolts which you know now neil young's back on spotify oh he's

such a yeah you know the p word knows where he is uh on any given day but uh this it feels like that is crested but still you have these places uh generally large institutions um who will make the mistake of having like a staff meeting to talk about a controversial read political coded event. And they're still in terror of their staffs and of their 25 year olds and 30 year olds. On that front, did you see the letter from the head, the head guy over at NBC, Caesar, whatever his last name is? Conda. Yeah.

Thank you. Who he said, you can't run a newsroom without cohesion amongst the staff. Yes. What? Absolutely. That's the only way you can run a newsroom. 100%. What are you saying?

Yeah. So we all have to be in agreement before we can make any executive moves, any hires, any directional changes, any story pitches. Real leadership. That's insane. And that's the head of NBC. And people at home don't necessarily always understand the difference. NBC News is a fairly straight for a broadcast company news division, just like CBS has a news division. That's like MSNBC is understood to be more to the partisan tip of the spear.

And this is part of actually the story. Like the Roe McDaniel hire, they hired her first at NBC and then like, let's go on MSNBC where we're more, more partisan. So when the head of NBC, right, the more truth seeking news organization is saying we need staff cohesion. Cohesive and aligned. He said that newsroom must be. God, no. I mean, Reason Magazine, which I worked for and have for 20 years, a libertarian magazine. We know where libertarians are coming from, where Reason staffers are coming from. We still disagree with each other about plenty of things internally. It couldn't be that someone would work there and say, you know what, the government needs to solve every problem. Okay, you're not going to work out. But there's all kinds of ways and all kinds of issues, abortion, immigration, whatever, where that there could be disagreements of it. We don't

want everyone to be aligned because then suddenly you're not going to be able to speak to everybody in your audience. And you're going to get things wrong. And you're going to get things wrong. Exactly. So, you know, Cheryl Atkinson, former she's worked at CNN for a few years and then she spent most of her career at CBS. I really I love her and I love her podcast. And she was just telling a story on her podcast the other day. She's very just the facts, ma'am.

You know, she really is. And she was talking about how when she was at CBS News and Hillary Clinton was running for president in 15, 16, she told that lie about getting shot at at the airport in Bosnia. And Cheryl had been with her on that trip as a CBS News correspondent and didn't get shot at, doesn't remember any bullets. That's the kind of thing you'd remember, and actually had videotape from the moment. And went to her boss's at CBS News. She's like, well, I got something helpful to show you here because I was there. Maybe it was when she was with CNN. I don't know when she had the tape from. But in any event, she was talking about how her boss, I think was Rick Kaplan, who was a lefty and was aligned with the Clintons and friends with them. She kind of said to him, like, sorry.

And he was like, absolutely not. He was like, it's a great story. And she's like, well, I know you're close with them. And he's like, not that close. We're running that tonight. That's journalism. That's journalism. You don't care about your partisan affiliations.

You don't need cohesive and aligned. We disagree on, you know, politics, but this is a story and we're running it. They're trying to win elections. It's totally changed. They're very clear about that at MSNBC. And they're doing penance for giving Donald Trump so much airtime on Morning Joe. Yes.

Not just airtime, but sycophantic coverage. Running your hands through his hair kind of thing. This stuff was absolutely bizarre. There's something else up the rectum. What? Why'd you say that matt um i thought we were gonna break i was hoping we were but also speaking of fake war stories like you actually have brian williams there oh my god we haven't even talked about him he's like

because when he was telling us we're about truth yeah we're about truth but when he was shot down in iraq and he was tortured by salam hussein's son truth. Yeah, we're about truth. But when he was shot down in Iraq and he was tortured by Saddam Hussein's son, Uday and Khrushchev at the same time. But he got out. He's a remarkable survivor's tale. But I think what you see, this is kind of the thing that no one expected

or gamed out with this obsession with there being a truth. We are in possession of the truth. There is one truth. This woman's coming and she said things that aren't true, but you have too. But Al Sharpton has, but Brian Williams has, but, you know, Rachel Maddow has. No, no, no, no. This is, we have truth. That's not, those are fine. This is not true. And so therefore we cannot have those people on. And when you're a part

of an organization, what does that do? It narrows it down to having people that just agree with you and agree with your conception of truth. And I'm starting to sound like a postmodernist, but what is truth in that sense? I mean, it is true that the Japanese this way against people like their Republican opponents. And again, I don't think she would be a good hire, but truth is kind of a bullshit reason to fire. All right. Now we've done CBS and we've done NBC and next we're going to do ABC and what happened when Coleman Hughes went on with women who, I mean, the battle of intellectual wits there was really unfair. It was a real David and Goliath situation. And it's absolutely delicious. We'll do it after a quick break as the guys stay with us.

Don't go away. Okay, so Coleman Hughes. And I don't know if you guys, I don't know if I've told you this story, but I've told the audience years ago because he's been on the show a bunch of times. This is how I met Coleman. This is guys, I don't know if I've told you this story, but I've told the audience years ago because he's been on the show a bunch of times. This is how I met Coleman. This is how much I love Coleman. I had just been canned from NBC. Technically, I was only let go from the show. What happened after that remains confidential.

Okay. But in any event, we had separated. And everybody was calling me a racist. All the papers and all is like because of the Halloween thing. So I go to the comedy cellar with Doug, which is a great place to take in comedy here. And we saw a great set, had a great time, sat down afterward with Noam, who runs the joint. And Coleman, Coleman was there. I didn't know Coleman. He introduces me.

Coleman comes over and he's like, what's happening to you is total bullshit. This is so unfair. And I was like, oh my God. You know, it was like this young black guy who's like, I see, I see what they're doing. Like you're good. And it was just, it meant so much to me. And a friendship was born.

He's been great to me ever since. And I love him too. So he goes on The View, which is great. I love to see him getting his message out there and going on, you know, these other places where that's the audience that needs to hear Coleman's message, right? Like exactly the audience. And he's got a new book out, which I will get the name of so that we can promote it here too. And of course, Coleman's whole thing on the issues of race are more like

you Camille, like colorblind, like stop. I'm not all about my race. Stop making my race so important like what matters is character and values and so on. Well, the ladies of The View didn't much like that, especially Sonny Hostile. Watch. We should try our very best to treat people without regard to race, both in our personal lives and our public policy. Of course. And the reason I wrote this book, thank you. The reason I wrote this book is because in the past 10 years, it has become very popular to in the name of anti-racism, teach a kind of philosophy to our children and in general

that says your race is everything, right? And I think that is the wrong way to fight racism. I don't want to say it's your youth, but I think you have a point, but I think you have to also take into consideration what people have lived through. The default right now in a lot of areas of policy is to use, you know, black and Hispanic identity as a proxy for disadvantage. And my argument is that you actually get a better picture of who needs help by looking at socioeconomics and income. That picks out people in a more accurate way. Right? And I've read your book twice,

because I wanted to give it a chance. Sure. Your argument that race has no place in that equation is really fundamentally flawed. Okay, so she really gives it to him in the next stop, which we're going to run in a second. But just what do you make of the setup? Because Whoopi kicks it off with,

you're too young to know anything. And we, back in the day, we never even taught black history, which is why we've overcorrected now to the point where race is dominating everything. So that's how they kick it off. The name of the book, by the way, is The End of Race Politics, The End of Race Politics by Coleman Hughes. The case for colorblindness, The End of Race Politics, I think, right? Well done. Yeah. Yes.

So what do we make of just the scene setting by The View and how it kicked off? I mean, where does one begin already? I mean, the fact that I love this thing. I read the book twice because I wanted to give it a chance. And she was like, this is a piece of shit. I'm going to read it one more time. It's a lie. I don't think you read it once.

She didn't read anything. She seems to have picked through. But that's what a dumb person says to sound like they're smart. Like, it's fundamentally flawed. And it's, I mean, the premise itself is, I suppose people can say it's controversial, but it's not flawed. And then she's going to go on and obviously you'll play that. But you see the hostility at the very beginning.

And these are not people that are coming to this with an open mind and saying, well, here's a guy with a different set of views about this. Let's listen to him. The Whoopi Goldberg idea that, you know, there's no timeline here. I don't know how old she is, but she says, you know, we never learned this. I am not young. And in seventh grade, I had the entire year was on slavery and the Holocaust. This is not a new thing.

Did we teach it in the best possible way? Absolutely not. Were things good back then? No, it's not. But to say that... She's 68. She's 68. Okay. To say that without mentioning in the same breath, any amount of progress, and we've talked about this a lot on the show, the number of people who have said to me, who I've heard in public, who say that we've made no progress, is astonishing to me. Astonishing to me. And that is kind of feeding into that narrative, which I find disingenuous. If you watch, I don't think we have this in the clip, my team will tell me, but in the next clip, but Coleman goes on to say, we actually were doing very well on our racism as a country. And it's pegged to 2013 when it

started to go back down. He's like, it wasn't because of Obama and it wasn't because of Trump. He pegs it to, in large part, the iPhone and the nonstop feeds that we get where I would say the left and their operatives are pushing like one- Trayvon Martin, Mike Brown. Yeah, exactly. One black man getting shot by a cop over and over and over. And then it's amplified by the Russians, but Coleman was saying, it's us. We've done it to ourselves. Without a doubt. Okay.

But here's, so Sonny's getting upset because one of the big problems with Coleman is he's black and you can't dismiss it. Please take that quote out of context. It's just the worst. Sonny would love. That's the worst part about him, to be honest. She'd love to be like, okay, Karen, but she can't. Yeah. Right. She can't. So here's how it went from there.

Yeah. Your argument for colorblindness, I think, is something that the right has co-opted. And so many in the black community, if I'm being honest with you, because I want to be. I want to say that you are being used as a pawn by the right, and that you're a charlatan of sorts. He's not a Republican. So how do you? Who am I being? He's not a Republican.

You've said that you're a conservative. No, no. No, you did. You actually said that in a podcast that you did two weeks ago. I said I was a conservative? He's not. Yes, he did. I don't think I've been co-opted by anyone.

I've only voted twice, both for Democrats. Although I'm an independent, I would vote for a Republican, probably a non-Trump Republican, if they were compelling. I don't think there's any evidence I've been co-opted by anyone. And I think that that's an ad hominem tactic people use to not address really the important conversations we're having here. And I think it's better and it would be better for everyone if we stuck to the topics rather than make it about me. I want to give you the opportunity to respond to the criticism. I appreciate it. There's no evidence that I've been co-opted by anyone.

I want to give you the opportunity. This is an opportunity for you to respond to the criticism I just made. And then pinned on other unnamed people. In fact, it was an opportunity. I mean, part of what makes this whole clip compelling and worth talking about is that she channeled a lot of the way that people interact with Coleman Hughes in the world. That is a style of argumentation that is really popular in the media and broadly on the left as well of like, oh, you're being co-opted by the right. You said something that the bad people agreed with and retweeted or did this. And I thought that you were an ally.

And now I guess you're not an ally or whatever. This is a style of argumentation. And it was great to see Coleman with his like heart rate down at 42, as it always is, point out that this is a bad style of argumentation. And also she got straight to the charlatan part. Like, oh, she's like, I don't mean to offend you, but you're a pawn, a charlatan and a conservative. It's deplorable. Which one's worse?

Yeah, it's one of the most incredible displays of condescension I have seen on network television. And I think that's saying a lot. And I can only imagine what the interactions were like there behind the scene. Coleman keeping his composure, all credit to him. But it is just such an embarrassing, embarrassing thing to see happen. And for him to be gracious, thank her for all credit to him. But it is just such an embarrassing, embarrassing thing to see

happen. And for him to, you know, to be gracious, thank her for the opportunity to respond to these things. When I'm having a sophisticated argument about some important issue that has great gravity to me, the last thing that I want to do is burn time talking about this person's presumed motives and the way that they've been mind controlled into having their particular views. Talk about my ideas. Don't talk about me. Don't talk about my relationship with my kids or my wife that isn't relevant to the discussion. Talk about the ideas. He did that. He stuck to the point. There is a reason why people like Sonny run away from the opportunity to actually debate the merits of very crystal clear, transparent proposals.

Coleman is a dear friend of mine, but I would say this if it weren't the case. His book is really stellar. People should go out and grab it. And he and I have some pretty meaningful disagreements about certain things. Like colorblindness is not actually my jive, but I do think what he is doing in public is important and relevant and is helping to elevate our discussions about race and a range of other issues. So you saw the bit at the end, though, right, Camille, where he was saying what I'm saying is he also says, like, it's not about colorblind. Exactly. Like, I understand people do see color. Yeah, that's the part I disagree with. Right. Right.

But he then went on to say, like, I'm saying I don't like the super emphasis on race. You know, I want people to be judged by their character, by their values. And the audience did erupt in applause. The audience is with him. And I think it tells you a great deal. The executives in the C-suite, the people who are hosting these shows, they may be complete fundamentalist ideologues on these issues. But regular people, everyday Americans generally share the same sensibilities.

They want to do the, they believe in human dignity. They want to judge people on the basis of their individuality. And I think a lot of people have been pulled in unhealthy directions in recent years, but that is starting to snap back into the right place. But that can only happen if people are going to be honest and sincere and share their genuine perspectives on these issues. Cowardice is really just dominant these days. When she weighs into what would appear to be something of an intellectual argument, she gets her ass handed to her immediately. She quotes Martin Luther King because, you know, by the way, she knows King's daughter.

Bernice, yes. Yeah. Just so you know, I know her. So I'm one up on you. Three times. I'm one up on you. Bernice, who was texting me this morning, she doesn't like you.

Meanwhile, it's like, because any knowledge you would have of MLK is erased thanks to the fact that I know the daughter. This is a historical figure we can all study. Because Coleman says, well, yeah, you're not quoting

what happens right after that, what he says right after that. But, you know, she says he's a conservative and then is fumbling. It was in a podcast. And he's like, well, I'm not, okay? And we went back and fact-checked that. It's not true.

Somebody else said it about him. Coleman did not say that about himself. The New York Times did that. And he was, I mean, you could have just looked. I think he tweeted about it. Other people were like, Coleman's not a conservative. And they said he was. But it's just on this issue.

He had tweeted that, like, if you want to call me a conservative, I'm not going to be bothered. But that's not how I call myself. That's not how, right? Yeah, yes. Aha! That's how the thinking is at The View. But can we just say what she is saying in so many dumb, sort of convoluted ways?

She's trying to call him an Uncle Tom. Yes. That's what it is. Without a doubt. Why do white people on the right like you? And I remember one time I was in a green room at Fox in probably 2010 or something. And I was sitting, and I will tell the person's name because we don't really know each other, but I was sitting next to Jonah Goldberg, and this was in D.C.

And there was somebody on that was saying something crazy. And I said to Jonah, who, again, I don't know very well. I said, you know, this is going to be on after this guy is kind of humiliating. And he just looked at me and he said, you're only responsible for what you say. Don't worry about anybody else. And it was just I don't you would never remember this. It was a throwaway comment. And it stuck with me.

I was like, yeah, no, I don't care who fucking retweets me. Sorry. I don't care who retweets me. I don't care who likes my stuff, provided I have the sort of, you know, firepower to say, this is the argument that I'm making. And this is why it's, why it's true to say that and say, well, why in co-opted, what does that mean? So this, this, the New York times, just to add to what you're saying, the New York times had a headline about him, the young black conservative who grew up with and rejects DEI. I mean, it's wrong in the first in the title of the article.

They keep calling me a Republican in all of their article. I'm not a Republican. I've been a registered independent for almost 20 years. I've actually asked them to correct it. They don't. It's just like they won't. They have their mind made up about who you are and that's where they go with. Then this guy, Clay Kane, who's got some number of followers on X, retweets that New York Times headline and writes, Coleman Hughes calls for a colorblind society. But this New York Times headline says he's a black conservative. He's getting press because he is black.

It's all in caps. That's why I'm saying it like that. Calling for colorblindness. Why is his race mentioned? Shouldn't he denounce any mention of his race? Grifton. Like Coleman's got some obligation to run all over all of his press mentions. He's not Camille Foster.

Camille would be out there denouncing the whole thing. But I know what Camille would think about this, but I have a slightly different view on this. I'm glad that it's being presented that he's a black person. And the reason is, is because there is a instinct, particularly on the left, that to be black is to think one way. And if you're going to highlight this, why are you highlighting it? Because there's many ways of quote unquote, being black, if you believe that is such a thing, Camille does not. But if you're going to go there and say, well, everybody and then the polls, the Trump polls, you see them inching up. People say, I can't. How is this happening? Well, you've been telling everybody on television, on radio, in books, in newspapers and magazines for years that to be

black is one set of political beliefs. And that is not true. If Coleman, by quote unquote, being black, can maybe complicate that idea for people, maybe that's a good thing. He's a threat. The interesting discussion about MLK was also a highlight of this for me. So he's trying to say MLK recognized what the society has done to black Americans through slavery and Jim Crow and all that, and that he thought the solution was focus on increasing people's socioeconomic status, people who are at the bottom rung. And that will help blacks and Latinos and so on, people who are historically more poor and in that group, but it'll also help disadvantaged whites. And that was MLK's solution. And she was like, but it was about race. He's like, he recognized what had happened to black people, but his whole, his remedy

was the way to solve it is to look at who's poor and to help them. And yes, that will help blacks who have been disadvantaged, Latinos, whites too. And she couldn't get past the fact that no, what he wanted was reparations for blacks. And they had a disagreement about the substance of what was in MLK's book. We went back and looked at it. You won't be surprised to learn Coleman was right. Coleman was right. Sonny was misstating the facts as usual. And by the way, reading off her little note cards, right? I've been on The View. Let me tell you something. They write everything. They write your questions for you. They write for the. They tell you where exactly what they're going to ask because they know because it's all choreographed. And so Sonny Hostin got it wrong having written it before she actually sat down or at least read a producer's writings. Anyway, they tried to embarrass him. They didn't know their scholarship and Coleman stuffed it down. It was a thing of beauty. Yeah. Yeah. She's an academic, right? Sunny. She's a lawyer.

By the way, I just want to point this out again. I pointed it out many times in the show. I had never heard of this woman until you forced me. You were ready. I still don't know who she is. I've only seen her on TV. Who is she? You're welcome.

Yeah, but what does she do? You're looking for her. I mean, I know she humiliates herself on television, but so do I. She's the ship that keeps on giving pointy hands. Is she an actress? No, she's a lawyer. She's a former prosecutor. Oh. I used to debate her on Bill O'Reilly back when I was like- Was she better then? No, no, not really. She was less partisan. She wasn't dumb. We used to have our debates on O'Reilly and I used to crush her. She comes out and says, I used to kill Megyn Kelly on O'Reilly and you know, I used to crush her. She, she comes out and says like, I used to kill Megyn Kelly on, on O'Reilly. I'm like, that's why you got pushed out. And I got

my own primetime show in any event. I'm sorry. Just like facts are facts. But so now she's gone to the view and what happened to her is kind of what happened to Nicole Wallace over at MSNBC, where like you're immersed in this far left thinking all day, every day. And it like rubs off on you like a stank. And now she's just, she sees everything through her partisan lens. She's the opposite of like Alan Dershowitz, who also is a Democrat. He's a liberal. He is not going to vote for Trump, but notwithstanding the fact that he's been immersed in academia for all these 50 plus years, it hasn't rubbed off onto him to where his legal analysis gets sacrificed in the name of hard partisanship. He sees things first through his constitutional lens, and then secondly,

talks about what he would like as a partisan. She's not able to do it. It's audience capture, right? I mean, that's what you've seen with a lot of people in our universe, right? I think that's certainly part of it. There's a loud section of the audience who would respond in a really critical way where she would deviate from certain sacred cows with respect to issues. But it's also the case that the audience in the room when Coleman was presenting his arguments was enthusiastic and extremely excited to hear those ideas. Yeah, I know. It's a microcosm of everything. It's the microcosm of the New York Times comment section. When they come out with a bunch of woke

stuff, then the comments are like, what are you doing? This is not liberalism as we understand it. Also, just want to shout out Martin Luther King. He doesn't get nearly enough credit. He really doesn't. Credit out here. No, just the universality of his of his approach, of his his remedies, um, is what makes him is one of the things that makes him such an incredible American character like Thomas Jefferson to mean it is a

challenge to everybody. And it depends on what like time of year or time of the discourse. It is that he looked back at the founding, the declaration of independence. That's where he got all this strength and he was criticized in real time. That's not what Bernice said. Exactly. We just talked to Fat Joe in the green room. He told us a completely different thing. Fat Joe knows a lot. And it's a great challenge.

And there's universality even in his remedies right before he got killed in the passage that was under dispute. It should be a challenge. He was looking for a kind of broader humanity out there, regardless of whether you agree with this bit or that bit. And part of the reason why everybody has a piece of Martin Luther King, like they did with Thomas Jefferson, like they did with George Orwell too, I think, and that they need to come back and revisit the texts is that is an accomplishment that very few people who ever have worked in the

written language have ever managed to make. I do think we have an obligation, though, and I share all of those sentiments to respect what King has done and to think about what new vistas look like with respect to justice, which is part of the reason why, to the extent Coleman and I have any disagreements about race stuff, my aspiration is to transcend this notion of identifying ourselves by race and to recognize that there is nothing fundamentally true about this notion of a kind of universal notion of blackness or whiteness. There is nothing that all black people have in common. There is nothing fundamentally different about persons

imagined to be black with respect to someone who is imagined to be right. We see the ridiculousness of race anytime we talk about it, if we actually scrutinize it. Coleman's mother isn't black. What is this notion of him being a black man? It's absurd. We're completely incurious. We have habituated ourselves to the practice of putting everything in the context of race, and we can actually practice our way out of it if we can be thoughtful and sensible and listen to people like Coleman who talk about these things in same ways and myself as well. And give one another the benefit of regarding each other as

individuals. It's the least that I can do for you. And I'd hope it's the least you could do for me. This is what Sage Steele was trying to say recently too, right? And she got- Also the same person. ESPN, they ruined her career over there. And one of her biggest sins there was A, she had some questions about the vaccine mandates, but B, she had the nerve to say like, okay, Barack Obama identifies as white, even though he has one, as black, even though he has one white parent and one black parent. She's like, that's my same situation, she said. And I don't see it like that. I'm mixed race and I wouldn't say I'm black. And

I feel like it would be sort of a rejection of my mom. And I'm not comfortable. That was too big a sin. If you have brown skin, you have to own the black thing. Otherwise, you're hashtag part of the problem. It's insane what we're doing to each other. Stand by. There's so much more to get to, and we will do it in next hour. Don't go away. Okay, so I would be remiss while we're on the topic of media if I didn't mention that Don Lemon has a new show and kicked it off with Elon Musk and got fired. And

I know you're joking that it's so good because you haven't watched it, but I did get some clips for you, Moynihan. I watched the Elon one. Is this a new episode? Yes, this is a new little compilation of his questions. You tell me what you think about this. To Kevin O'Leary, Mr. Wonderful,

just yesterday on his show. TikTok. Oh, no. Time is running out for the social platform known as TikTok. Oh, my no. Hi, everyone. I'm Don Lemon.

Welcome to the Don Lemon Show He didn't do that. And I couldn't help myself with that one. Because many people, including senators, members of Congress on both sides of the aisle, they have really expressed concerns about TikTok's Chinese ownership, that it compromises this platform and that platform. I want you to compare that to, you know, what is happening with other platforms, including X. But so if if you're concerned about the Chinese and all of this, then why do it? But I just want to get to some other things before I get into that.

I don't know if you saw me writing notes. I was writing down White House National Security Advisor. And now Donald Trump, I'm going to write down because I want to talk to you about. Is that why you feel the way you feel? About his court case. Why am I stand by for that? Listen, so I want you to compare this to X that's you know that that's Elon Musk's You know digital platform a social media platform And it is cost intense an intense controversy The digital town squares

any of them like these should be owned by one person or one organization who the person owns the microphone and the speakers

and the volume? What? Well. What a great cut. Steve Krakauer. Well done. It's like public access. That is amazing.

What's happening? I'm going to write some notes. Can you hang on for a second? That is amazing. And it's what I noticed, and I have to be honest about this, when the Elon thing came out that he had fired him, right? I said, well, that's terrible. That's not good. From Elon's point of view.

That's terrible. You shouldn't do that. And uh we hadn't recorded an episode and then by the time we recorded the episode i watched the interview and i was like oh that was absolutely the right decision this was not ideological it was the most bumbling confused interview i'd ever heard and they were just awful questions yeah unbelievable like and by the way like even the first thing that you show t TikTok's not even owned by China. It's Chinese ownership. That's not even true.

But you see what happens. And when you're ever an editor at a magazine or newspaper, I know Matt has done this, you'll sometimes get copy from people that you loved, right? And you'll see them without their makeup on. And you're like, oh my God, they can't write. All of us are doing it. And then you see Don Lemon had a big staff, right? And he has the IFB has the ifb people like don you're swallowing your tongue again i'll tell you

what to say and he's like okay okay good you're wearing the weird no one is there he's doing it on his own and he's just like so that um i don't know there's a thing that's called like accent so is that good it's like the chris farley show onL, if you ever saw that. The greatest. The greatest sketch of all time. So like, you were a Beatle. Remember when you were in the Beatles? What was that like? That was what that was. Remember when you were on Shark Tank? That was great.

Unbelievable. Someone should put a wallet in his mouth. This is the greatest. Does anyone have a tongue depressor? He was having a stroke. Anyway. I was worried about him. The best part of that whole Elon, Don Lemon flap is there's there's a week like this happens the

news breaks elon looks dumb it's stupid mr free speech by the end of seven days elon has put starship up into orbit the largest rocket in history he's helped a quadriplegic man like learn to use the computer with his mind, which is amazing. And he promises at the end of that, yeah, we're working on blindness next. We're going to start installing chips in your head. And yet he could not make a star out of Don Lemon. He's like, this is too great a task. Keep in mind that the other good thing he did that week was not pay Don Lemon a penny, which is a noble, a noble. Don Lemon, who wanted half the company. He wanted to do podcasts in space.

He wanted to be shot in space, which was the only good idea. He wanted a Cybertruck. He wanted editorial control over at Twitter. Well, why not? I mean, look at that. Sure, right? Sure. He's a brilliant man.

So here's another little, little ditty. He weighed in on Candace Owens' parting ways with The Daily Wire, and this is what he had to say about it. Oh, no. Candace Owens finally went too far for the far right. The real story here is not the drama. It's not that. It's not the Daily Wire, their office politics. The story is the fact that Ben Shapiro, like Elon Musk before him, has been outed as a free speech fraud. So to say that Candace Owens is a firebrand would really be inaccurate

because bigotry is her bread and butter. And that's exactly why Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire hired her. They hired her because they traffic in bigotry and rage bait every single day, all while using free speech as a guise. The moment that Candace Owens said something vile

about Israel, poof! Candace Owens is gone. Free speech for me, but not for thee. Oh, God. Straight out of the racial meadow. Yeah, that sarcastic kind of...

He's incredibly dumb,'t him you can you can by the way be a bigot and a firebrand at the same time here's a true conversation on our team and i will do the person who responded the courtesy of not naming them but uh he also claimed because elon was calling him don veruca salt lemon yeah right because of his nasty demands like i want it i want it all i want it all and he was like i've never even heard of veruca salt and i'm like that's a lie he grew up when i grew up we never even heard of Veruca Salt. And I'm like, that's a lie. He grew up when I grew up. We've all heard of Veruca Salt.

And the person on my team said in his, oh, we have it. Okay, wait, let's listen. We have lots of Don Lemon queued up. Let's take a listen. You know what I thought was funny? Because in pain, I always laugh. When he called you Veruca Salt. Elon Musk has been insulting Don.

Some of this stuff I won't even read because I'm just not going to read it but he said you were like Veruca Salt that you were asking for everything and I thought well who doesn't ask for everything in a negotiation I mean he's a shrewd and smart businessman and to criticize

you for asking I think they said you asked for like 5 million dollars and 8 million up front and whatever those details are you asked for a Tesla truck I would have asked for a fleet of Teslas. You also humiliated yourself. I was like, he's mad at you for being a good businessman? Here's the thing. That was a funny tweet.

You got to admit it. Well, at least we have on the same color, right? I don't know who that is, but let me, let me just say this. It's, it's an obvious distraction, right? And then trying to, to sully by reputation, they're trying to smear me. I don't know who that is. There's no way he doesn't know who Veruca Salt is, but then said person on my team said in his defense, he's dumb. He doesn't know a lot of things. Also in his defense, Megan, no one knows Veruca Salt as well as you. That's true. That's true. You probably had dinner with Veruca Salt.

100%. I did have dinner. Yes, I did. That's right. I have her in my phone. I can text Veruca right now. Yeah, John Lemon has no idea who you are. Who?

I don't know John Lemon. I told my nine-year-old daughter that because we recently watched the original and her mind was absolutely blown. I'm finally someone because I know someone who knows Veruca Salt. daughter that because we recently watched the original and her mind was absolutely blown i'm finally someone because i know someone who knows i'll give you some behind the scenes pictures you can show to her this is my only claim to fame getting back to the very important issue at hand i do want to point out that two people who have been fired from cable news former msnbc host and a former cnn host who don't you know and has some i don't know what where's that show the tamron hall show oh yeah i don't i think it's on like bosnia or something

albanian television doesn't make a lot of headlines but i think that i understand why because they both believe that asking for an insane thing is good negotiating like That's just business. He asked for $40 million. I need $200 million. What are they saying? That is absurd. What's wrong with you? Everyone, trust me, as somebody who actually has negotiated several contracts in cable news and broadcast news, you know that's exactly the opposite of what you do. You make a demand that is reasonable, that is a big, that you think you could get over what you think it's actually going to land at because you want to leave yourself some room for negotiation. But you don't want to make yourself look like an asshole.

Right. That you see, you're off on a new foot with your employer. You don't want to make yourself look like an asshole. Nobody in history has asked to be the first person in space and for full editorial control over any news decisions made. Like that's something maybe Rachel Maddow has that at MSNBC because she appears to be running the joint. and for full editorial control over any news decisions made. Like that's something maybe Rachel Maddow has said at MSNBC because she appears to be running the joint. Don Lemon at Twitter when this guy's resurrecting him from the dead. The hubris.

If you went back 20 years and you thought there's going to be a cable news guy who sucks and gets fired and then in his next job, he's going to demand to go into space or you can't hire him. What is going on with this world? No, the interview style, watch the Elon Musk one. He's a very bad debater. He keeps getting tripped up by Musk,

who is like a very odd guy. I mean, I've seen him do this up close and he's just like a brilliant guy, but he's kind of a weird, socially a very strange guy. And he just handles him the whole time and he's flusteredustered the whole interview. That's why it was so bad.

He's just not very good at follow-up questions. He's reading off. Don't read. Listen. Know your subject. Listen. And go in knowing your subject and talk. Have a conversation.

One of the closing bits in that interview, because I suspect most people haven't watched it all the way through. You've seen clips. But right towards the end, there's this moment where Elon says to Don, think about your next question very carefully. You don't have much time left. That's great. So good.

Truer words. Well, apparently his second interview was of Kara Swisher, tech journalist Kara Swisher. And she hasn't even retweeted it. She retweets all of her podcasts. At least she has over the recent past. Not that one.

If you're too dumb for Kara Swisher, ouch. Yeah. Ouch. And then he sat down with somebody named Monique. I guess she's a star. I don't know Monique, but apparently nobody knows her because the last we checked, it had 13,000 views. She's like your Veruca Salt.

You have no idea who that is. Except genuine. Is she a singer? I don't know. She's whatever. Anyway. Comedian actress. Comedian actress. Okay.

She's not very popular. Sorry, Monique. Or at least maybe it's the forum. She also accused Netflix of being racist, I think, for not giving her a big special. There you go. Go back. I think that's true. How much did she demand on her deal?

She demanded a lot. And she, like Tamron Hall, is now doing a show out of a trailer. That might be on network TV. No trailer. That might be on network TV. No idea. That might be on network TV. She's got good hair. Let's move on to Sam Bankman Freed. He got sentenced today for all those crimes

with respect to FTX and his cryptocurrency and the girlfriend with the hedge fund and all this investment nonsense that they were pulling. And they sentenced him to 25 years. That's extraordinary. The defense wanted between five and six years. The prosecution said between 30 and 50. So the judge went on the heavier end. How much of that will he have to serve? I have to check the federal sentencing guidelines on it because there are factors about like, I don't think he's committed any prior

crimes. But here's the thing. He went in there today to argue that the reason he should get the shorter end is because he's got autism and he's got this condition. I wrote it down. I don't have it in front of me, but he's got some condition that has a fancy word that does not allow you to feel happiness. Oh, I have that. It's called being a journalist. What do you mean? Exactly. It's called being Irish Italian.

Irish. Yes. Thank you, Matt. Irish disease. Yeah. And so this is their way of getting him out of all the glitzy photos with Tom Brady and all of the elite of Hollywood. Like he wasn't enjoying it. You know, he wasn't enjoying it. So you shouldn't hold it against him. And also they talked about his charitable donations. I'm like, hashtag part of the problem, right? This is all part of the problem. So anyway, the judge didn't buy any of it. And, but the interesting thing in the case was much like the undercover piece of the Madoff story. Do you know all the investors have been paid back? Yes. No. Yeah. They've been

paid back, but all of them, I know, I know some had been back? Yes. No. Yeah. They've been paid back. Is it all of them? I know some had been. Forgive me because I haven't fact tested that, but that's what I read. And they're still mad. They're still saying, look, we could have had a greater value if we had had our investment grow as it should. Like crypto's way up right now.

We can be selling. We could. All the benefit of that bargain is gone because as the judge put it, you took people, you stole people's money. And the fact that you won in your bet in Vegas, or at least you broke even doesn't make it any less of a theft for these people. You know, they could have done what they wanted with their money. They could have earned money on their money. Anyway, I do think it's kind of interesting. And apparently most of the Madoff victims have been paid back to an undercover. It doesn't make it any better,

but it's sort of, they get their money back and this guy's going to jail for 25 years, which I'm fine with. It seems a bit long to me, but, you know, 25 years. But the thing about this at the time is just kind of less of a intellectual point about cryptocurrency, but it was a weird gold rush. In getting involved in that, everybody knew this was something that wasn't tightly regulated. I mean, in some cases, it wasn't regulated at all. I mean, there were pump and dump schemes every day during that wild ride. And Hedonia.

And Hedonia. And A-N-H-E-D-O-N-I-A. Right. That's the unhappiness thing. Keep going. Keep going. Oh, well, I'm going to have to write that one down. One of my new afflictions. I'm so unhappy that I can't even remember it. But no, this was like,

look, he committed like a very, very, very bad, particularly when he's taking money, shifting it somewhere else and using that and the investors are not aware of it. But the one thing that gives me pause about it is that when I was doing that, investing in cryptocurrency, I understood that the next day it was all going to be gone. It's not going to be the case if you're doing it in Wall Street. You might lose a lot of money, but it's not going to go poof. I mean, sometimes things get delisted, but it's usually a long slide until they'll delist you from the stock exchange. But this was like a total, I mean, it looked like a scam from the beginning. And my first response was, and again, this is not to mitigate all the terrible things that he did, was that didn't you expect this to happen? Because I sort of did.

And I ended up taking crypto stuff that I have and putting it in a place where I knew this company was a little more secure and on the level. I'm really holding myself back from another rectum joke. Please make it because it's the best part of my day when somebody makes a rectum joke. Are we going to talk about Diddy? There are a lot of rectum jokes in that too. Yeah. Well, does anybody else want to say anything about SBF in 25 years? I mean, 25 years feels like a lot. Clearly trying to send a message here. I'm still like sort of dazzled by Michael Moynihan's cryptocurrency analysis. I can tell you I work in SF. I know a lot of people in the Bay Area.

I can tell you that a number of people, including Elon Musk, for example, has talked about this publicly, like smelt fraud on Sam Bankroom Freed. So hopefully people have learned their lesson from this. But I just, I don't even know. I don't even know that we've seen a serious kind of regulatory push with respect to crypto that is obviously going to ensure stuff like this doesn't happen again. I mean, New York is pretty tough. Not a sober one anyways. So on the subject of putting things inside of your body. Yes. Again, my favorite subject. Is there a disorder for that? We're talking now about Vanderbilt.

Oh. Yes. You saw the story. Yes. Yes. I didn't know this was a thing. It's a thing. Talk, talk. I didn't know.

He's too young. He doesn't remember the 80s. It's not a thing for eight hours. No, it's not. I mean, if having a tampon in for several hours at a time caused death, we'd all be in the hospital. I mean, it's absurd. Not all of us. In fairness. I didn't see you covering this morning a conversation about insulin with Fat Joe or a conversation about tampons with you. They don't have that context. Yeah. All right. I got to get the audience up to speed. We talked about it yesterday, so I think the audience knows.

But just a quick primer. Yesterday, a bunch of students went on the campus of Vanderbilt. And it was a very great school, or used to be. And went down there and did a sit-in at the chancellor's office because he wouldn't allow a vote on the BDS movement. We were trying to divest from Israel. They're pro-Palestinian and he wouldn't allow a vote. So they did a sit-in and they were very upset that they weren't allowed to just do it on their terms for as long as they want and say whatever they want. And like, if they got up,

they weren't going to be let back into the room. So they didn't feel that they could get up and leave. And they were worried about getting arrested. It's kind of part of violating the rules. You know, if you like, you got to kind of be ready to take the arrest maybe some consequences um in any event one of the big moments was the when they called 9-1-1 because one of the protesters allegedly had a tampon in and was claiming if she didn't change it she was going to get toxic shock yes and here's here's that 9-1-1 call for people who missed it. Toxic shock. Yeah, there's a currently female student who's also on the right to change her tampon that has been in for multiple hours, which leads to an increased risk of toxic shock syndrome. She's like reading from a computer.

Right, so then you should understand. Okay, what you are not hearing is that if she stands up to use the restroom to change her tampon, they are threatening arrest. So it is not an option for her. Ma'am, do you have an emergency? Yes, ma'am. Do you have an emergency? Not your farm is in pot. Do you have an emergency? That is my emergency. Yeah, I don't remember the time that I needed to have an emergency personally to call 911 for help.

I don't remember the time. I needed to have an emergency personally to call 911 for help. I don't remember the time. Okay. So. Snap, snap. I love it. The right, the right to change her tampon. It's right after speech and religion. You might have missed it when you read.

These Republicans, man. So she got up, she got out and the tampon was changed. And reportedly it was changed in front of others no no reportedly it was like one of those things where like the guys pee in the you know empty bottle yeah she kind of took care i don't know whether that's true or not but i did read that that she she took care of business she did not die there was no toxic shock but there is an embarrassment to a generation yeah it's very odd like like the entitlement of these kids, like sitting there watching them on the phone with more context. Like I just saw the footage of them forcing their way into the

building, like shoving past the security guard who is trying to hold them back. And I mean, they are literally forcing their way into the building. It's very Washington State, you know, or Evergreen. I mean, just a really, really bad look. Audience, look at this guy. He's trying to close the door so they can't get in and bother the chancellor and everybody else. I mean, the kid is throwing himself bodily into this man at the door. Like, you could cause him serious injury.

This is terrible. These are not peaceful protests once you do that. Why do we blur them? Are we not sure whether they're minors? I'm not sure. No, the one that I saw was blurred too. Okay, so it's, oh, it was blurred. Okay, it wasn't us.

Yeah, I don't know why they blur it. They don't have the right to be blurred. No. Show your faces, let's see them. They've posted all over TikTok. The school must have released this footage. I think they probably did. Yeah, I mean, I was at Evergreen the day,

two days after that happened, filming a piece there. And it was, it was remarkable. I mean, there were gangs of people, and I'm not joking about this, you can go look this up, of people, the weakest looking human beings, like physically weak looking human beings, rolling the canvas with baseball bats to enforce their vision of the world. This kind of Maoist idea that if you're not with us, we're going to, I don to I don't know baseball value they didn't end up doing that because they couldn't lift them but I walked into this so this is the the language policing of these people this kind of like it's so bizarre so I was talking to these um young people and I told them or interviewed a very difficult interview to do because they're all very hostile and I said if

you guys want to break off the interview you you want to stop, just tell me. And they went and had a little conclave and came back. And they said, we, it's a true story, said, we would appreciate if you didn't use you guys to us. And I, and she said, can you use y'all? And I said, and I'm not, my producer can absolutely attest to this happening. I said, and this was the biggest fail of a joke of all time. I thought it was great, but it was like it died. I said, well, ma'am, I don't want to appropriate Southern culture, which isn't mine, by saying y'all.

And they looked at me like if this was the cultural revolution, I would have been shot on the spot. But the madness that had overtaken these people in that example, it reminded me of the guy who was the president of Evergreen, who they wouldn't let go to the bathroom. Do you remember this? There's video of this. And they said, no, you're not allowed to go to the bathroom. And he said, okay. And he's asking them, may I please leave my office? And they say, no. In this woman, the madness of these people that calling 911, because if I leave, I will get arrested for the crime I actually committed, which is trespassing.

And that they wanted a guarantee that it wouldn't happen. No, I'm not going to give you that guarantee. To some random guy. And he was like, I can't, no. Who are you? No, I can't. You're breaking the law. How's your tampon? No, we should pull, you guys, see if we can pull that clip of the girl who was like stuttering and delivering her mandated mea culpa on Evergreen Campus. Talking to my producers here, they know what I'm talking about. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's truly like it's one of the first clips I played when I launched the show. As soon as we added Brett Weinstein on, we played that clip.

It's always stayed with me how they humiliated one of the dissenters. And it was a black student who was kind of like, are we doing what's right? I feel kind of uncomfortable about like harassing a professor just because he didn't think we should divide each other by race and mandate that the whites stay off campus. So that, you know, it's like this whole racial protest. Michael's, uh, Michael's, uh, vice news piece on that changed my mind about the importance, uh, of, uh, campus culture kind of wars. Up till that moment, I was like, maybe it's overblown. You know, Ben Shapiro's out there like talking about this so much.

He's being opportunistic and stuff. But seeing particularly the Maoist stuff and seeing the chancellor of the university, like saying things that you know that he knows is not true. And because he's desperately trying to keep his job, it said to me, oh, there's something has changed. People are afraid of the proletarians. One of the most amazing things, and we didn't get this into this piece, but if you follow me on Instagram, I think I posted it there.

Some of the outtakes when I was interviewing, I think George Bridges was his name. You'd seen how the language policing had taken over people's brains. And I said to him, you know, here's a scenario. And I said, just war game this with me. And he stopped and he said, well, I wouldn't use that word. And I said, well, why? That's what we would do. And he gave a babbling answer.

And then he did this again when I said, and this one I cannot figure out. I said rope-a-dope. I was like, you're taking these punches like Muhammad Ali. You're rope-a-doping. And he's like, well, I wouldn't use that word. And I was like, rope, like lynching? I don't know. But this is, you can see this.

I have this footage up on my Instagram. He was so like overwhelmed with fear that you would constantly step on a landmine in a conversation. He kept on stopping me saying, I want people to know that I am not using that language, which was not offensive, was not egregious. It was boring everyday language. But he had been a creature of fear. He'd been overwhelmed by this fear. They'd taken over his office and he was like, yes, you're right. And that is the Maoist comparison in the sense that they would kill you.

But this idea that there isn't a debate. You don't debate these people. They have the truth on their side. And you either adhere to that or you're run out of time. We're back to MSNBC again. Exactly. There's one truth. Yeah. We found the clip. So this young black student had spoken up saying, I don't think what we're doing is right. And just as a quick primer, the problem was at Evergreen College, they used to once a year do a sick out, the black students would go. The day of absence. Yeah. Right. And where they would sort of leave campus to show the other students what life would be like without any

of the students of color. And this one year they said, you know what, we're done doing that. This year the whites should stay home. And we mandate that they do so. And Brett Weinstein, who was then a professor said, that's kind of different. It's not the same, like people voluntarily doing it versus one race telling another race of students you have to stay home. And that led to Brett Weinstein getting protested, getting his life threatened and ultimately losing his job. Well, there was a black female student on campus who was like, I'm kind of on his side. I think we're being and she was made to apologize in this exchange, which is just so disturbing. It stayed with me. Here's what they did to her speaking of Mao. I've demonstrated anti-blackness in the...

Good God. Yeah. ...vision holding, charging, and sentencing of two black trans disabled students based on false racially charged alleged allegations. Sorry. Whoa. This poor girl. Yeah, chill. I've never seen that before. You know, I just

watched Three Body Problem on Netflix, which I tried to read the book. But there's a scene in there like a depiction of the cultural revolution at the very beginning of the show. And it is visceral. It is incredibly hard to watch. There is a woman who is brought out on stage to condemn her husband who is about to be, unbeknownst to the audience or the reader, who's about to be stoned to death, essentially.

He's going to be stomped to death by these people who are holding him captive. He is about to lose everything. And his wife condemns him while his daughter is watching from the audience. These are not identical circumstances by any stretch of the imagination, but the mechanics are the same. The particular ideas, this is actually why I have a problem with this, the word wokeness, because it focuses you on the wrong thing in my estimation. Like the particular ideas are bad and I want to fight and argue about those ideas. But what I am most aggrieved by is the fact that so many people have abandoned like civility, that they don't care about civil liberties anymore. This idea of a culture of free expression where people have differences of opinion and we can have a conversation about that. Like they've abandoned all of that in service of a totalitarian impulse to forcefully impose their views on you, to condemn any sort of dissension in the ranks.

Even an appeal for a reasonable conversation is somehow incredibly suspect. It is so dangerous and people don't appreciate that. And I do think there is a real risk if we're paying too much attention to the particular bad ideas that are being articulated and not really appreciating the degree to which ideological fundamentalism where the most important thing is that we win and they lose. It's how I think many conservatives who who have traditionally been right on these issues have become suspicious of the First Amendment in certain respects, are interested in censorship as a remedy to those bad ideas. Those people are wrong. They do not appreciate what they're putting at risk by endorsing those policies. And also, this needs to be said, I think, more often than it is in centrist or right of center circles. There are so many Republican politicians, conservative people in the public eye who are saying things that have something to do with Donald Trump that, you know,

they don't believe. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's cowardly. You see that too. That's cowardly. I like I wince right now. Anytime someone I know and have a positive feeling towards who works in politics and is a Republican is staying in their job or competing for a job or running for office.

I wince because I don't want to inevitably lose respect for them. And I'm going to almost in every case. There's one or two exceptions I can think of because they're compromising themselves in the name of doing that. And it's so painful to watch actual courage. Something Moynihan points out a ton. And this is true when you look at communist countries now and especially before actual courage, people willing to face the consequences of saying what they

actually believe and not have to read, my God, that thing is just horrible. She's like, she's tripping on the words. It's so rare. It is actually rare to say what you believe. And it is something that is worth honoring, not overly valorizing if you're just saying it to get to a new audience to love you in a way and then changing your views in order to get there, which a lot of the never Trump people, I think, have done politically. And the Rona McDaniel thing is that this, you know, Casablanca like shock,

shock that somebody would say something in defense of her boss in politics. I mean, that's what Jen Psaki does. That's what Karine Jean-Pierre does. I mean, I don't know if she believes any of that stuff. Her job is to spin and lie. That's what you do. That's what politics is about. And like, she's saying this thing about January 6th. It's like, yeah, that's her job. And I don't think that's a good thing, but I know that it is a thing. And that's what happens in politics and all these people expressing this shock. And, you know, bravery in these situations is incredibly

rare on the Evergreen campus to get back to that. The number of both students and I believe I may even talk to her, the students and faculty who said to me, I cannot go on camera and say, I disagree with this mob. They're not even affirmatively stating an ideological position. They're just would have been saying, hey, running people off campus because they disagree with you is a bad thing on a campus. I mean, this is supposed to be the crucible of learning. They would have gotten the same treatment as that young woman. Yes. She could barely get it out. She didn't even know the words she was reading. Most people, and I don't blame them for this, don't want to walk into a situation like that,

be tagged forever, have to be humiliated by their peers in public. That takes a lot. That takes a lot. That's why, and again, to Matt's point, it's why this type of heroism is so rare. That's why there's only one Solzhenitsyn or two Solzhenitsyns or Sakharov, these people in the Soviet Union. It's just why bother? It's just going to cause me an enormous amount of harm. So the people that do that are rare. And on this campus, you need, what people need is an assurance that they can survive, right? When I got an assurance that we could have an audience of our own as this, I started being a little more open about the things that I believed when I was working in journalism. Not, you know, to a point where I was being ideological, but if I was in a meeting or something, I was with people, you know, you'd be more open about what you believe.

Otherwise you're like, you know, I don't want to rock the boat. And if I get fired from here, you know, where am I going to get hired unless I go to somewhere super ideological, but when you can do it on your own, people start being a lot more honest about things because you're not reliant upon, you're a great example of this too. I mean, this, your podcast came to Sirius. It didn't start at Sirius, right? I mean, this was a thing that was an organic thing and you had an audience and you cultivated that audience. NBC, Fox doesn't make a difference. They can go screw. I mean, you did this. That we can do that now allows much for your conversation. And I'm seeing that for your conversation. And it's been an unbelievable boon to us and to our careers. But I worry about people like these, you know,

kids, maybe the dissenters. I mean, who knows? Maybe there were some dissenters in that room. Maybe a girl who called and complained about toxic shock. Probably not her. But maybe the person to her left or her right. Because, all right, so I launched this show when I was already known, right? People knew who I was.

So I had a running start in trying to reconnect with an audience. And you guys have been well-known. You've been all over the news for years, and intellectuals. I knew Matt back in my Fox days as a Reason Magazine guy. So these kids, they don't have, nobody knows them. They don't have one quote fan.

They don't have a connection with it. Now, yes, you could build it brick by brick, but there's a lot more risk to them in saying no. And we played this clip yesterday too, but I'll play it again. But it shows it's another example of exactly what we're talking about, where they shouted down the cop. The paid cop, who's not probably a graduate of Vanderbilt and probably isn't going to get exactly the same financial advantages as these snot-nosed kids are. And what was their objection to this one cop? And we saw

how they treated the one security guard already, right? Like completely disrespectfully, no care for his fear, unlike January 6th, right? Weren't we shown that one cop over and over who tried to stop the mob? Here, it's not a problem. But try to humiliate him for just doing his job. Here it is. I hope you know that you're protecting a terrible man, an absolute coward who is aiding and abetting a actual genocide. Show your morality. What if it was your kids? Would you care? It will be your kids. It will be our kids. It will be your kids? Is a job worth it, sir? Is a job worth it? Wow.

Does she have a kid with a penis? We're already dealing with this. You can stand with us. 32,000 dead, and you don't care. You can stand with us right now and be on the right side of history. But you won't. Shame.

Shame on you. Shame on you. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame, man. You are black in America, and you're

not standing with the marginalized people of the world. What does that make you? What does that make you? A coward! Coward! Shame! Free, free Palestine! Free, free Palestine! Remarkable. It's like, kid, I'm a security guard at the university. Yeah, you're on the wrong side of history.

It's like, I'm in the middle of Tennessee, like working on a college campus. What are you talking about? What do you want me to do? That is what universities create. I'm sorry to say, I don't want to feel like I'm overstating it, but that is a level of fanaticism that, you know, is alien to most Americans. I mean, that was what you saw on Evergreen's campus. It's not a coincidence that this keeps happening on campuses. If a disease is like under the power lines, you start saying,

hey, what's going on here? Like this is happening at all these campuses, these protests that people then believe that they're in, you know, the university exists to serve them. They pay to go there. Right. They seem to forget that they're like unionizing and all this stuff, but that everybody should have a political position on something that's happening in the Middle East. Why did they did they have a position on the war in Syria? Did they have a position or a takeover of the invasion of Ukraine? Why this one? And why should everybody have an opinion? That is just the marker, base marker of ideological fanaticism. When you're like, you have to have a position and if you don't, if you don't agree with me, you're abetting the death of children. I mean, the manipulation, it's a dumb manipulation. And think about what would have happened to that cop if he actually had done what they wanted and sat down

and gave up order. He'd be fired. Think they'd be helping them? Think their parents would be cutting him a check? No, there's $70,000 a year or whatever the cost would have been. I love the idea that students at Vanderbilt University are the arbiter of what is and is not a marginalized community. At least they feel bad about it, Matt. At least they feel bad about it.

What does that make you, sir? A cop! Is there any reasonable argument to support the assertion that whatever it is that they're suggesting is happening, that it is coming for his children? What on earth are they talking about? I think that's the mark of fanaticism when you can't win that argument, right? When you're constantly saying that this is what's happening and it's a just totally fanciful thing. You have to kind of personalize it for people and say, it's coming for you. It's going to happen to you. It's like, we're literally talking about Gaza, right right we're in tennessee i don't have a map i'm just a lowly cop guys but i think it's pretty far away it will ultimately

come for you that is you know a lunatic lunatic statement obviously but but yeah that's the stuff you sort of hear it's so untethered from reality all of it not to be totally an old crusty dude but like what kind of manhood is that like you are a uh uh thank you you're a person you're a penis haver and you're sitting there in your university and you're going sir yeah are you gonna stand your voice is cracking you're assuming a lot about that penis this was the point this is the theme of the show this is the point i made yesterday i was like i'm very worried about who the young college co-eds are going to sleep with where are the sex partners is raising his hand he is willing standing up for me prepared to be drafted into service if you want a resume i have one in the car i'm sorry but no none of those men could perform it's not going to happen i it's like I love, yes, it's performative for sure.

But you can tell like the little tells me is like the one girl's like, she's waiting to yell her outreach thing. Like, it's coming for you. She's waiting. Is it time? Should I get in now? In the Fuller clip there,

they start singing a song that they've made up. And it sounds like one of those like local couch commercials. It's like 1-800. It's like this weird song about Gaza. And it's like, did they just make this up? Leave off the last desk for saving. It's exactly that.

Go find it. You'll find it. You'll know what I'm talking about. But yeah, it's ridiculous. 7-7 cash now. Okay. All right. Quick pause, and we'll be right back with more with the guys from the fifth

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months for free. Go to SiriusXM.com slash MK show to subscribe and get three months free. That's SiriusXM.com slash MK show and get three months free. Offer details apply. Have you seen this TikTok thing where this guy's running around, maybe more than this guy? It appears it's more than just this one guy. Just randomly punching women in our very safe city that we have nothing to worry about in where crime has totally gone away. There's a TikToker. She's not the only one, but she actually documented it and put it on cam. Her name is Hallie Kate McGookin. And she posted this shortly after she'd been attacked. Look at this. You guys, I was literally just walking and a man came up and punched me in the face. Oh my God. It hurts so so bad i can't even talk

literally i fell to the ground and now this giant kiske is for me and i'm like oh my god it's so crazy oh that's poor girl um they have made an arrest many women then started sharing saying it happened to me too just walking down the street and they get attacked by somebody punched. She got it, obviously, in the front. A couple of other have said they got attacked from behind. So they had no chance to respond or protect themselves. They didn't see it coming. They've made an arrest of this one guy. His is Shabuki Stora. And on his existing TikTok, he's posted these videos of him, Instagram, of him harassing law enforcement and city workers. Look at this. Who your daddy? Who your daddy? Who your daddy? What's his name? Satan. No, Satan.

That's good for you, man. You finally harassing a white person. Good job, Satan. Yeah, I was gonna say that. I'm Skabuki Marcus Garvey you're a white piece of shit and got a black partner look at this man I'm running for office man we ain't having none of this shit man I'm running for office I want you to mace me I want you to mace me use your power to mace me

so good luck on your subway ride home I think you'll be fine she'll be the chief of police that woman she laughs in his face So good luck on your subway ride home. I think you'll be fine. She should be the chief of police, that woman. She laughs at his face. She's in another day in New York. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? My God.

Yeah. No, I mean, it's not surprising that a person like that is randomly punching white women when he's like expressing like just rank racist ideas. I'm saying like white piece of shit is probably even telling you something about this guy it's a little sketchy okay so i just had to get that in because i you know i i needed to discuss it earlier and i forgot to um okay speaking of criminal trouble should we talk about sean diddy combs he's in a free diddy he's in a whole host of trouble won't stop yeah what you're you're a lawyer you play one on tv what why the department of homeland security because sex trafficking yeah sure they expect

they suspect actual sex yeah so but isn't and this is something we've been talking about isn't and i'm not to turn the tables and interview you, but isn't sex trafficking often kind of like a BS category? Like when I think of sex trafficking, I think of, you know, like massive prostitution rings of, you know, Russians and poor people. That is just your poor education. Yeah, well, no, I know. I mean, this entire show shows my poor education. I actually did a few shows on this back at NBC, and they were very interesting, very educational for me. What happens a lot of the times is young woman meets a young man. He says, let's go out on a

date. She meets him on a date. This actually happened to one woman who told me her story. And he says, I'm taking you to the hotel and you're going to sleep with this guy and you're going to give me the money or I'm going to hurt your son. Oh, that. I know you got a two-year-old back at your house. I've got a guy over there. And so you will do it. And they always pick somebody who's not always, but usually more working class who doesn't, you know, they're not going to have some high security guard on speed dial. And before you know it, she's in it because now the threat keeps getting unleashed on her. Or let's say it's somebody who's alienated from her parents. She finds some guy who's like, move with me.

Let's go to Ohio. Okay, we'll be together. As soon as he gets her out to Ohio, he starts pimping her out with the same thing. Like threats, he beats her up. She doesn't. Next thing you know, her picture's posted on Backpage. It's like a business. She's miserable.

She wants to kill herself. This is how it happens for a lot of women, to young girls. One girl, it had happened with her high school teacher who kind of ran a similar scam on her. So it's usually somebody who you trust or you think you love who you trusted the wrong person. And before you know it, you've been threatened into doing this kind of work and you're not the only one yeah yeah the scintillating aspects of this story have been the things that people have talked about much is it most is he gay is he trying to groom an adult man is he is he doing sex trafficking but the the legal filings and there are shootings in there that's right um and and diddy has like a history of being in situations where someone gets shot there's a gun involved that's jaylo it's like it had something to do with him. And I mean, with the last situation with Cassie, which she settles out of court. One day after she filed it.

I mean, her legal filing is extraordinary. Threatening to blow up another celebrity's vehicle. The vehicle then blows up. Like this is a disturbing, disturbing trend. And it is pretty alarming to see all of this stuff playing out. I was a bit surprised as well to see Homeland Security involved. And I understand why they might be. Were you at all surprised by the scope of the raid when you saw that? No, and I didn't care.

I have to say, because in speaking with a lot of these recovering sex traffic victims, you know, obviously they've gotten out of it. Now they're on NBC with me talking about it. Um, so many of them work with the FBI now. Like for example, I know the super bowl is a very popular spot for girls to get quote recruited, um, against their will. It's there. These young women are in danger. And so victims of sex trafficking will work with the FBI. So it is a federal thing. Like actually are cracking down on this. Donald Trump signed a law that made it up the penalties for sex trafficking. So I'm not surprised. If they actually have good reason to believe he's doing anything close to that with young women or men, that's exactly what you would see. So I have no sympathy for him. I'm

not shocked by what I saw. I hope we see many more just like it because this is a disgusting crime that so many young women find themselves pulled into against their will. These are not voluntary, quote, sex workers, which is the new favorite term amongst the left. These are more like indentured servants who are afraid and getting hurt. And we kind of just class them into willing prostitutes and we don't send in any cavalry to save them and especially not in the case of somebody this rich and famous and powerful. Not saying he did it. He's denied this. Not in response to these charges but all the lawsuits against him. I'm just wary.

There have been a lot of cases where you hear sex trafficking at the beginning at the press conference and people are like, oh, my God. And then when it comes down to it, it's not just that, oh, they couldn't quite prove it, but like it wasn't sex trafficking to begin with. Or it was like one flight of like one woman who may or may not have wanted to be there. One Vietnamese prostitute that Bob Craft was getting a handy from. I mean, seriously, that was billed as a gigantic sex trafficking case. And it just wasn't. It never was from the beginning. It was at the press conference level.

And then everyone goes crazy about it. Not this is all the that's such the scale of this thing yeah uh is is absolutely different but i think it makes you think hold on to skepticism with the military force that you saw marshaled for that for that uh raid that presumably they have something but you know at the same time my skept, which everybody should have skepticism about these things, is, you know, we've seen this weaponized a lot against rich people, against, you know, Supreme Court justices, things like that. I just like to take a step back and let's see what the evidence produces. And that's about it.

So I don't know what it's all about. But if you're going to put money on it, bet my way. Guys, wonderful. You're a sick woman. We've established that. I refer you're going to put money on it, bet my way. Guys. Are you betting on this? Wonderful. You're a sick woman. We've established that. I refer you back to the rectum. Got it in by the end. One more reference.

Got it in. Bye. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.