The Megyn Kelly Show - Today Show Cattiness, "Love Story" Lies, and SCOTUS Strikes Down Trump's Tariffs, with Maureen Callahan and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1257

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

Megyn Kelly is joined by Will Chamberlain, senior counsel at the Article III Project, to discuss the Supreme Court ruling striking down President Trump’s tariffs, how the decision impacts Trump’s negotiating leverage with foreign countries, the significance of the 6-3 ruling with Justices Barrett, Gorsuch, and Roberts siding with the libs, and more. Then Maureen Callahan, host of "The Nerve," joins to talk about Kelly Ripa promoting the idea that staying in excellent shape is simple, how wealthy celebrities create a false narrative about exercise that is unattainable, the obvious cattiness on display at the Today show involving Hoda Kotb and Jenna Bush Hager, the power struggle at NBC while Savannah Guthrie is away, Trump’s latest comments on the Nancy Guthrie case that suggest the investigation may be stalling, major questions surrounding the sheriff’s handling of the case, Meghan Markle’s courtside NBA appearance with Prince Harry, her constant need for public validation and “black hole” personality, why the new series “Love Story” misses the deeper truth about JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette, why the casting lacks the real-life “it factor,” the awful portrayal of Jackie O, and more.   Subscribe to Maureen's show The Nerve: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-nerve-with-maureen-callahan/id1808684702 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4kR07GQGQAJaMNtLc9Cg2o YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenerveshow?sub_confirmation=1 Substack: https://thenerveshow.com/   Chamberlain- https://www.article3project.org/   Byrna: Go to https://Byrna.com or your local Sportsman's Warehouse today. Done with Debt: https://www.DoneWithDebt.com & tell them Megyn Kelly sent you! BeeKeeper's Naturals: Go to https://beekeepersnaturals.com/MEGYN or enter code MEGYN for 20% off your order ARMRA: go to https://tryarmra.com/MEGYNto get 30% off your first subscription order     Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow  Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show and happy Friday. U.S. figure skater Alyssa Lou wins the Olympic gold in a comeback that no one saw coming. It was so exciting to watch. The two people commentating were like, oh, she might just make the metal stand if she skates perfectly. Meanwhile, she crushed, she crushed her performance. One gold was so joyful doing it. It really made you want to put on ice skates and go out there and try a few of those moves, which, as we all know, for the rest of us, mortals would end in tears.

But it was completely uplifting. That and the story of the women's hockey team. I mean, it was just, what a day. What a day for Team USA. Plus, Ryan Murphy is out with a new series on the, quote, love story between JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bassett Kennedy, and it's already raising eyebrows. We'll tell you why. And new reporting from the Daily Mail reveals that Hoda Koppi wants her chair back at the Today Show. MK Media's own Maureen Callahan will be with us for the full show to break down

all the caddiness and more coming up. But we have to start with a little bit of broccoli because there's been a major ruling from the U.S. Supreme Court this morning dealing a very serious blow to President Trump's sweeping tariffs, which have been integral to his entire presidency. I mean, it's like the crux of his entire foreign policy, whether it comes to imposing them to raise more money and balance out trade imbalances or using them to threaten countries into becoming very quickly much more peaceful. In a six to three decision, the High Court saying he cannot use emergency law to impose global tariffs, ruling that that authority belongs to Congress, not to the president, and it has not clearly been delegated. That's Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice

Barrett, siding with the libs. Two of those justices were Trump appointees. The ruling carrying major implications, as I say, for the entire Trump agenda. Here to break it down with us. We're going to spend 10 minutes on this so that we can understand it clearly and what it means for our lives is legal expert Will Chamberlain, he's senior counsel for the Article III project. Let's be honest, America can still be a dangerous place. You can see that from the news cycle. And you cannot afford to wait for help when you need it. Sure, you could use a firearm, but in today's America, defending yourself with deadly force could have legal consequences. According to FBI data, 99.9% of all altercations do not require lethal

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Will, welcome back to the show. So what exactly did the Supreme Court rule? They ruled six, three, that the president cannot use the International Economic Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs. That's the extent of the ruling. And they didn't even agree on the reasoning, right? You had three justices, Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice Barrett using the major questions doctrine, which is basically saying that for a major delegation of congressional power, there needs to be a very explicit delegation of that power. and they didn't find that in this case. The three liberals just said the statute doesn't authorize the tariffs. And then Alito, Kavanaugh, and Thomas disagree with all that, saying pretty straightforward

that the statute actually does authorize these tariffs, but they were the losing side. So all these tariffs issued under this imposed under this particular statute are unlawful. And it's some 200 billion worth of tariffs. I mean, it's a big number that have been issued so far. So what does this mean for all the tariffs? that Trump has implemented in the first year of his presidency? Well, it's about two-thirds of the tariffs were imposed under this specific statute. I think the number I saw was something like $175 billion.

Everybody who paid a tariff is probably entitled to a refund. The Supreme Court didn't really lay out the process here other than to strongly suggest that all this will go to the United States Court of International Trade. But all the refund litigation, everything that happens there, that's to be decided later. all the Supreme Court decided was that these tariffs were unlawful in the first instance. So are we going to get sued by other countries? Is that who's going to sue us saying, I want to refund of all the tariffs I paid the United States? No, it's going to be the actual people who paid the tariffs. And remember, that's United States citizens and importers.

So like when you import something from a foreign country, you, the importer, are responsible for paying the tariff. The foreign country isn't the foreign manufacturer isn't. So that's who ultimately will pay the tariff here. I mean, I guess it's theoretically possible, you know, some foreign entity might make an argument that they were damaged by these tariffs because they sold fewer of the product than they would have otherwise, and maybe they'll have some claim against the United States for that. I doubt it. I think that the people will, the people who actually have a legitimate claim are the people who paid these tariffs and then are entitled to refunds. To me, this seems like the biggest losers will be our poor lawyers at the Department of Justice who are already stretched too thin,

who now are going to have to litigate all these claims on who deserves a tariff and who doesn't. But Trump is going to try to argue that he has the ability still under different statutes to levy tariffs. Will that help – it might help him going forward. Will it help him with any of these back tariffs that he's already issued under the statute they've said he can't use? I don't think that'll help backfill anything here, right? Those tariffs are unlawful and they weren't imposed under the other authorities. And, I mean, there's a reason he used the emergency statute. It provides there are a lot fewer hoops in terms of imposing some sort of tariff or bar on imports using the IEPA.

But there are other authorities. I mean, there are product-specific authorities that he has that allow him to, like, bar imports of specific or tariff imports of steel, for instance, or cars. And there are also nation-specific authorities that he has outside of the IEPA that he could do, that he already is used. used on China, for example. So, you know, it's not the end of- He's not powerless. He's not now powerless to issue tariffs. He just cannot do the sweeping scheme that he's been doing, where he's been using them as a carrot and a stick to do a whole bunch of things, including stop fentanyl from crossing into our borders, just stop countries like India and Pakistan from having a war. And to write the trade imbalance that he walked into, that he inherited when he became president. And now all of that

is into question. So on a go-forward basis, he does have some possible tariff schemes he can impose. Retroactively, maybe not so much. So what would you say is the net effect of this on the Trump agenda? Well, it weakens it. I mean, there's just no getting around that. It's a bad ruling for the Trump administration. It's really bad for the country because it, I mean, the tariffs are a key part of the president's arsenal in negotiating with foreign countries. And if foreign countries know that Trump is a little more handcuffed and how he can impose tariffs, then there will be more reluctant to make concessions and trade negotiations. It's as simple as that. I think Justice Kavanaugh had the best of the argument here. I thought Congress clearly delegated this authority to the president,

and it makes sense that they would because tariffs are so interwoven with our economic negotiations of foreign countries that you want the president to have the flexibility and the credibility to be able to impose tariffs when he needs to. So yeah, I think this was a bad ruling from the Supreme court, no, and it's going to hurt the president. Is it devastating? No, but it's going to hurt the president and it's going to hurt the country. We had good old Alito and Thomas siding with the conservative POV and Justice Gaffinaw, who's been more moderate saying, yep, I'm with these guys. And then you had Gorsuch and you had Amy Coney Barrett going with John Roberts to side with the three libs on this. I will say, what do you make of this Gorsuch quote? Because I like this.

I don't love a hugely powerful executive because I'm always thinking about who's coming next, right? I certainly don't want to say a hugely powerful Gavin Newsom or AOC or Gretchen Whitmer. And here's what Gorsuch wrote. A ruling for him here, meaning the president, the president acknowledges, would afford future presidents the same latitude he asserts for himself. So another president might impose tariffs on gas-powered automobiles to respond to climate change. or really on virtually any imports for any, quote, emergency, any president might perceive. And all of these emergency declarations would be unreviewable. Just ask yourself, what president would willingly give up that kind of power?

This is what Gorsuch does. He reels you in with comments like that that makes you think about AOC and my gas-powered car. Do you think that that's a real concern? I mean, like, that if we allow the president to have this kind of tariff power to himself, that it was basically a slippery slope where it was going to get expanded to micromanage our lives by a more aggressive Dem president next. I mean, possibly, but the president's always checked by political accountability, right? He's accountable to his voters.

He has to win half the country. And if Congress doesn't like the extent to which the president is using the power granted to him, they can always change the statute. I mean, the fact that Congress has basically exceeded, I'm not sure if they exceeded is the right word. I know there's been some fighting over these tariffs. But, you know, again, Congress has the ability to write this other laws. This is not a constitutional case.

This is a statutory interpretation case. So I kind of find Gorsuch's sort of reassurances unimpressive, I guess, would be the right word. It's a statutory interpretation case. I thought Kavanaugh had the better interpretation of the statute with all the dissenters had it right. And so, you know, obviously, yes, the president should only be able to exercise the authority given to him by Congress. The real question of dispute was how much authority did they give it? Right. So if we don't like that amount of power, take it up with the U.S. Congress, if you believe this

statute did, in fact, delegate the power to issue these tariffs to the president. It wasn't about how bad or good that might be. It was about did they or didn't they? Well, this court has found they didn't. And that was predictable. I mean, if you watch the oral argument, and I know the DOJ was expecting a loss here, They've been trying to plan for it. The president's unhappy, but I think he's got some other tricks up his sleeve, so we'll have to wait and see.

Will Chamberlain, thanks for coming on so quickly and giving us the quick 4-1-1. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. Okay. Up next, Maureen Callahan is here for the full show, and we have a lot to go over. All right? She's got a lot of thoughts on the reboot of America's Next Top Model. That could be coming, but there's this huge Netflix show out about Tyra Banks and that show. It's number one on Netflix right now. She's got thoughts that, plus we're going to get into the Olympics, plus we've got the latest on Nancy Guthrie, plus she's got thoughts on the JFK's junior story about Carolyn Beset. You know, she wrote the book on the Kennedys two summers ago.

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No big surprise given the long history of caddiness both on and off the screen and the fact that as Maureen and, and yours truly have been reporting. She never wanted to go to begin with. We've got all the receipts for you today. And also, what does former Prince Andrews arrest mean for Harry and Megan? She's already out there trying to pimp her ride. We'll talk about it. Maureen is here. She is Maureen Callahan. She is host of the hit show The Nerve on the MKMedia Podcast Network. Go right now and subscribe at The Nerve show on all podcast platforms and on YouTube and everywhere you can get the Nerve. Great to see you, my friend. I'm so happy to see you. And I just really.

we're both all in black. I know, right? Well, I dressed up for you because I don't normally look nice. Oh, you always look great. Oh, thank you. I love the whole thing. I even have the nice boots on morning. I even have the nice shoes on. Look at us. Look at us. Every once in a while you have to dress up, you know, you feel like a woman again. Right? Can't feel like such a ragamuffin all the time every day. I mean, from the waist down, I always have my stretchy pants on. Same. Yeah, now I love those aloe loose pants. I'm all over those. I love the, I love the, In this weather, the Uniclo heat tech legging, which just, it's like just wraps you up and keeps you cozy and, yeah. Now, the good thing about the tighter legging is that I've noticed one drawback to the aloe pants is you don't realize how, like, if you gained a few, it's imperceptible. Megan, you never gain a few. Oh, no, I do. You're always like.

I do. I do. Do you? Here's my downfall. I didn't used to be a sucker for sweets, but Doug buys ice cream galore. And he buys the most delicious flavors of Hagen does ice cream. And if it's sitting there in the freezer after dinner, it's very hard to say no to it. You can eat ice cream in the winter.

Oh, and I can eat it every day of the year. Wow. Yeah. The only ice thing I can do in the winter is iced coffee, which I do love. What do you do for a treat in the winter? I love popcorn, but I'm also like a salty person. I'll have like a few cashews or, but I try to avoid, you know, the sweets in the winter. I just smart.

Yeah. Well, I just said for Lent, I'm going to give up added sugar. My daughter said she wanted to do it too. I'm like, okay, we're both going to give up added sugar. And what did I do yesterday? I had a brownie and ice cream. So, yeah, no, I do eat and I do sometimes get extra weight in the aloe pants. Wow.

Yeah. Well, tis the season. It is the season. And my hat's off to you for Lent. My sister-in-law's always given up, like, her favorite thing for Lent. Yes, it's very hard. It's very hard. And then, but then the flip side of that is, it's the same thing you just experienced.

Then when you're free of it, you binge it. Yes. You've been denying yourself. Yes, I know. You know, I was going to save this till later, but I might as well bring it up now. I wanted to talk to you about Kelly Ripper. I saw an article in the Daily Mail this week about her and her amazing ripped body and her incredibly toned physique.

And it went through. I actually just did a screen grab. I didn't even tell you we were going to discuss this. But it talked about like how she got it, how she got this amazing body. Now, I know how she got this amazing body. She works one hour a day. Now, remember, like, seven years ago, six years ago when she had that big blow up with ABC about Michael Strayhan.

Oh, yeah. And she was, like, playing hardball. And she was mad that, like, I can't remember what she was mad about. But she was mad about the switcheroo on the co-hosts. Well, he was getting a big promotion. Yes. And he didn't tell her because he couldn't tell her. Yes.

And she felt very disrespected. Yes. Well, in order to keep her there at that time, they raised her $25 million a year salary to over $30 million a year. This is like seven years ago. It's only gone up since then. That's insane. They have this enormous townhouse in New York City. It puts like Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse.

I've seen it in Architectural Digest. To shame, exactly. And that's just one of their many homes that these two are. Then she gets her husband a job as her co-host. And God only knows what he's making. I'm sure he's making at least $5 million a year. They have more money than God. She gets into that show like an hour before she has to do it

so she can sit and get hair and makeup and get a wardrobe thrown on her. She does that show which doesn't require two brain cells. You just have to sit there, playfully laugh, and talk about your social life. And that she has the rest of her day with hundreds of millions of dollars to play with. Of course she has an incredibly toned physique.

They're like, oh, she, hold on a second. According to her trainer of over 14 years, Anna Kaiser, the TV personality works out six days of the week for 45 minutes no matter where she is. Quote, even when she travels, she'll do the workouts virtually if she needs to. Kaiser told Hello magazine, everyone knows that is her hour, morning or evening. She gets 45 minutes in, and that is her time. Kaiser describes her workouts as interval-based with a focus on strength. Then I add elements of cardio, dance, and power to elevate and make the strength training more effective. The trainer explained to the publication.

And on it goes, I mean, I just think, Maureen, like the average person out there gets up early. They try to get their kids off to school on time. It's like, get your backpack, get your shoes, get your workout gear, get the lunch, the money, the project, the science thing. You get them off. You're lucky if you get them to school on time. You come back, deal with the shrapnel of the morning.

which has been left all over the kitchen and the family room. Then you try to get yourself together looking somewhat decent for the day. You either go off to work an eight or nine hour day or you don't really have a lot of free time. You actually have agenda items

you have to turn in. You have a commute, probably. You have a commute. Or if you're a stay-at-home mom, you have a shit ton of other stuff to do. You've got to do all the daytime chores. You know, you've got to do the laundry, which takes hours and hours.

You've got to clean. You've got to take care of the dogs. You've got to do like all that crap. Yep. And you don't have hundreds of millions of dollars to throw away on trainer six days a week, who the Daily Mail has a picture of her, maybe they got it from hello. No, it's from her Instagram, I think, of the trainer, like, with a, like, a training band around her and she's, like running against it, like an oxen,

you know, against the plow. And there, there it is. Look at this. I'm sure this is just how you work out, too, isn't it? Oh, stop. Yeah, this is how you work out. And I'm just like, this is so unattainable. And they talk about it like, it's like hashtag goals. This would require a lot more than just carving out a mere 45 minutes and being super committed to it in your day. Did you ever do physique 57 or ballet bar class in the city? I remember it was big when I was living in New York. It was a big thing and I used to do it. And I remember being up there.

It was near the post office and she was in a class with me one day. And I was like, this is interesting. Like she just got off TV. Like she's got the time. Like she doesn't do any work after the show. She just cuts loose and goes to physique 57. Yes. Yeah, she does.

The other thing I hate about this stuff, and Jennifer Aniston is a prime offender in this area, too, because she's always like, it's in her home gym with like the Pilates equipment alone is like $10,000 at least. And then you have to have a trainer to use that stuff properly. I used to do Pilates all the time. I love it. But these people also have private nutritionists and chefs because that's really where it comes. It's not like working out 45 minutes a day. That's a supplement. That's a nice add-on for longevity, health span, whatever.

It's really what you're eating. And it's having somebody who can measure all the food and weigh all the food and keep track of your intake. That is a full-time job. Yes. And also the laser procedures all over their body. Yes. I know that there's a report that that Morpheus laser, which is supposed to hurt like a mofo, that Jennifer Lopez has one in her home. So, but like she's constantly, being featured as like, this is what 56 looks like. It's not. No, it isn't. It's not. It's not. Like, you go to the dermatologist. You can get anything lasered off. You can get little age spots lasered off. You know, all the sun damage women typically get here. You can get that all resurfaced. Most women at their age, it's like creepy. It's beginning to, you know. Yes. So it's such bullshit. That thing about her having a Morpheus laser is so amazing. Can you imagine what that costs? To have that in your home? I can't even imagine.

I talk to my derm all the time about, like, so she just opened a new office in Aspen, and she's like, yeah, like, I had to, I bought X number of lasers. Most derms won't invest in X number of lasers because they're that expensive. They're so expensive. This is why I tell the audience, this is what I do. I do two fraxels a year, and I love it. And they will do it on the chest, and it will get rid of a lot of sun damage. You can get it on your chest.

You can get it on the back of your hands if you want and get it on your face. And it doesn't hurt at all. They give you the numbing cream. No, they'll do it. They give you the numbing cream. You sit with the numbing cream for about 50 minutes, 50,000. And then honestly, that fractal doesn't hurt at all. Then when you're done, you look a little sunburn for a day.

You're a little swollen. They'll give you a steroid if you want it. But like, you know, like if I'm going to be on the air. But I usually try not to schedule it when I'm going to be on the air the next day. But anyway, you do that twice a year. And I'm telling you, it is a game changer for your skin. But I just hate the, you're like, sure, it's just your 45 minutes a day. And also just the presumption that, like,

that's such an easy thing that anybody can do. It's not. It's not that easy to find that time every day, but it is if you have hundreds of millions of bucks. It's really not. And you know, I was talking to somebody about this the other day. Like, I used to work out almost like every day. And since launching the nerve, I haven't had time. Yes. And you know what stuff like this does? It makes me feel like shit about myself. I know, I know. Because why can't I carve out 45 minutes, you know? It sounds so easy. It sounds so easy. But it's not. before you know it, the day is gone. And you're wiped out.

You're tired. And like, can you imagine? Like, where are you and I going to go to meet our trainer with the super band to treat us like the oxen? It's like zero degrees outside. I don't want to leave the house in zero degrees. I'm not going anywhere. Me neither.

It's funny because when we were away in the warmth this past weekend, my daughter, she's 14 and I, we were doing, in another life and another body I used to teach aerobics. So I still have a good abs routine. So we were doing an abs routine together and we're like, let's keep it. We're going to do it every day, you know, between now and like spring break and we're going to like work on our core. Of course we come back. She's busier than I am. I was like, if you have a full life, it actually is very challenging to work in just the absolute regular work.

And it's just annoying because even today with like the maha and like the everybody's all about longevity. And I just sometimes you really just want to kind of say, shut the fuck up. It's very hard. It's very hard. And you know what actually did make me feel a little bit better? Because so many of these people are selling stuff that is unattainable and really impossible. And what they're really selling is aspiration. Like they're selling the goal, but never really attaining the goal.

Yeah. Finding out that Peter Attia was in the Epstein files, emailing Epstein. Yeah. You feel like, okay, there's a lot of fraudulence here, a lot. Well, I forgive Peter Atia because he outed himself as having been a hot mess earlier. in his life in his book. So I think, I don't think it was about Epstein, but I think there was an implicit, like, I used to be a very fucked up person. And it's been a, well, I mean. I do. Like, Megan, those emails. And what I forgot about, because I think I blacked it out, I've read part of

Outlive. Yeah. I think it's in the introduction. He talks about this. He talks about his wife, having delivered their newborn son, who was in the NICU fighting for his life. Yeah. And he wasn't There she was begging him, will you come and stay in the hospital with me? And he was like, no, what he left out of that introduction was that he was over at Epstein's mansion, partying. Like, I personally can't forgive that. Like, I can't. I feel like it's not great, but it's between them. Like, I don't, it's, it's not just about a bad marriage or like a problematic marriage.

It's about fealty to one's son and one's baby and one's fatherly responsibility. Your baby is fighting for his life as a newborn, and you're over at Epstein, who's abusing children. You're over at that house? I know. Like, I cannot square it. Like, I can't. I can't make an excuse for it. I love Peter Attia.

And he's been so good to me personally. I really, I think he can recover from this. I think he should do, like, one interview or one podcast where he just explains this. And I think people will be quick to forgive him because he's literally trying to help us all live longer. Like, it's like, he's not the greatest messenger on, like, how to behave morally, but he does know how to behave in order to extend your life. And he's trying to help people. I think one interview or one podcast on his own where he says, it was worse than I disclosed.

And let me tell you everything. Okay. If I'm going to, I disagree, but here's what I would advise as perhaps a maya culpa in the public square. Lower your fees and treat some people who don't have money. Yeah. Stop charging. Or keep your clients who pay you $200,000 a year for like a.

a couple of exams and some free advice on email, not free, you're paying for it. But maybe go into an inner city and set up a little medical tent. Oh, that's a good idea. I mean, I'm giving the devil idea. So stop me. That actually is a very good idea. They should all do it. All these outlived or longevity guys should do something like that.

Yeah, they really should. They do charge hundreds of thousands of dollars and no normal human can afford one-tenth of that. You know, I saw on 16 minutes years ago when they were actually doing real journalism. There are these, I don't know if they're military ships or their private ones that, like, charities I'll pay for, but like twice a year, like some of the best medical professionals, specialists in any field, whether it's ear specialists or phlebotomists, whatever, will go into the most underserved, underprivileged communities and treat people who could never seek that kind of medical attention. And I love that idea, you know?

Even like these plastic surgeons who are like, I go down into like Haiti and I fix cleft lips or kids. That's good. But like maybe start at home. You know, I'm sure there are actually a lot of Americans who are suffering or kids who have some deformity that their parents are never. Kids and afford braces. Yes. Stuff like that. Yes.

It's relatively inexpensive. I paid for Abby's invisaline. Megan. It's the same. I can't believe you just said. That's the same. Okay, let's talk about Hoda Koppi. Okay.

You're shocked, shocked to learn she wants back on the Today Show, I know. Do you know that we ambushed her yesterday? What? At 30, the Rockefeller Plaza. Is this hit on the nerve yet? Yeah, at air this morning, our producer Marlena got up really early yesterday with our new hire Lauren, and they went to 30 Rock with a nerve sign. Like it was disguised.

The front of it said, we heart Hoda. Oh, my gosh. And then Barlena got next to Hoda. And then flipped open at the nerve. And Hoda was just like, hi, hi. Did she get to ask her anything? She did not, but we got Intel. This is top.

We'll share this with you exclusively. It's the security guard said, oh, you're really excited to meet Hoda, huh? And Marlene was like, yeah. And he said, yeah, it's a good thing you came. She's at the end of her two-week residency. Oh. Or is she? I don't know that she's going to be back on the Today Show.

next week in that chair. They might be rotating contenders. Well, I mean, the report is that she wants back on at least. Oh, I believe that on. But Maureen, she wanted to be at home with her children. Megan, she couldn't give you their names, their social security numbers, their latest school where they're enrolled. She forgot all that a minute. We did this thing with, we have this body language expert who comes on, who I love, his name is Mark Bowden. And we picked for him, uh, Hode's first day in the chair. and Hoda literally like Savannah's mother's been missing for like a week at this point. Hoda's like this with her hands. She's like, what's that about?

She's like, she's like chomping at the bit to get going as like the new co-host of today. She's like, let me add it. Calm yourself down. Calm yourself down. Don't jump out of the chair and don't smile too widely because this is a tragedy. Yeah, right, right, right. I wrongly left because they wouldn't pay my salary demands. Right.

with my children. Right. This is all according to reports, unconfirmed directly, but believable. And now I've realized I'm miserable. I've spent the past year plus trying to get back on the Today Show

at every turn, no matter how I can, then she launched that unsuccessful podcast. Her Joy 101 app. Yes, which the most recent interview has 1,800 views. It's so grim. Not even 2,000 views, Maureen.

It's so grim. That's dark. So of course she's like, I'll be there. I will come. I will co-host for Savannah. I will save the day. And if it so happens that I should have to stay, I will make that sacrifice for the team. Her heart's breaking.

It's in a million pieces, you know. And she, in that same first day back, Craig Melvin is sitting next to her and he is most displeased. He does not want this woman anywhere near him. And she's going, he's like, well, welcome back, Hoda. Welcome back. Like a bad penny. Yeah, we can't get rid of you. And she goes, you know, Craig, I'm very happy to be here.

You know I'm happy to be here? Because we are a family. And I am a part of this family. And this is what family does. They show up for each other. And it's like, just try a little less, Hoda. Exactly. Try a little less.

So you don't have to even say that shit if it's true. Exactly. Do you go around with your family members going, hey, you know what? We're a member of this family. Oh, no. Or like, even when you're here, like the reason we can talk like this morning is because we're close because we're friends. We're like, we don't have to talk about it. If I said that, it would be disgusting. It would be so weird. It would be like so off-putting. Like, it would be like

they're not friends. No, they continue to try to do this and it's, I've been telling the audience, these are lies. I can speak to this. Hello. I know this for a fact. It went through that crucible. It's not true. They don't like each other. They're constantly stabbing each other in the back. It wasn't just me. It was me most of all when I was there, but it's not just me. They're all like, it's always a power battle. That's the problem. And actually my team pulled some examples of this. I think they said it's in, is it an ascending order? So we have the worst defender

last. Let's take a look at what they've put together. I don't know. We're going to watch SOT one, which is Jenna and Savannah. I haven't seen this. We'll watch you together. What about you? Well, same thing. We got, well, actually, now that I'm remembering this, we got married. I also wasn't invited. Okay. Well,

this weird. And she claims we weren't friends, but if I look back. We were friends, but it was a small wedding. We can't do this again. Okay, go ahead. Okay. Okay. We've never been here. I know. Okay, but look at what's happened. Listen, if we were married today, we would meet each other's rides. Okay.

And we're 100%. Our kids' godmother, so like it's done it. It's done. Okay. All right. There's still some bitterness there about the fact that Jenna wasn't invited to Savannah's wedding. Okay. It's a little awkward to keep bringing it up on the air.

Exactly. Are you okay? I'm having a little bit of a, this, all of this dark energy, I think, is getting to me. Do you want one of my Luden's watermelon. Cough drops. You're such a friend, Megan. Those got me through a couple, I don't know, months ago. You guys remember when I was sick after Thanksgiving?

Oh my God, no, but like to sit there and be like, broadcasting to the world, you didn't invite me to your wedding? And I'm still bitter about it. Savannah was married like 10 years ago or more. That was long before Jenna got there. Yeah, like, get over it. Who cares? Apparently not, because she seems upset.

All right, here's another one. I don't care about the Chanel one. Let's do Savannah and Hoda. Oh, this is during the 4 a.m. ride. This is from Hoda's show, her Joyride episode. You think you and I mean you've talked about this. This is Sot 3. By the way, I have a question. Why couldn't we have had makeup and stuff on it? Number one, where are you right now in your life? In the car with you at an ungodly hour.

Are there any other questions? I need to be at work, like soon. unlike you. That one's really bad. Excuse me, because that was one, I think that was Hodas first. Yeah, she was the inaugural. Savannah, and you could tell Savannah, like, she wasn't even disguising her contempt for this. As it is, she has to get up at 4 a.m. for that car ride.

Yes. And she says at one point, this is an ungodly hour, and normally joy is in scarce supply here. And she's also saying, like, you're in full hair and makeup. I'm not. the one doing the favor here for you. Well, and the reports are that Savannah did not want Hoda to be anywhere near the first hour of the Today Show because Savannah considers herself like a serious journalist and she considers Hoda the one who used to booze it up with Kathy Lee in the 10 o'clock hour.

So it's like, why would she be added in and that she reportedly fought to keep her off of that hour and make it more about Savannah and Willie Geist? But Willie Geist is very, boring and no one wants to watch him. Explain Willie Geist. How does he have such longevity there? I don't know. They use him over on Morning Joe and I'm like, this is such a mismatch. You can't put him on Morning Joe where he's as partisan as they are and then have him flit over to the Today Show and ask Today Show viewers, some of whom are right leaning to accept him in this neutral role. Like that's just never going to work. So that's one of their many problems.

All right, here's another one. This is Hoda and Savannah. And again, no, let's play, I want to see SOT 4. Let's see it. Quick. Al makes the best sandwiches. I mean, your house. Come on on, come on over. He does it every two. We're doing it at one o'clock.

Okay, stop trying to make Tuesday a thing. It's not happening. Already a thing. It's a big Tuesdays. All right. Yes. Okay, that was, whatever. Not great, but I see it.

And now here is SOTSX. Anyway, there's a new trend in weddings, and it's all about micro-wedding, small weddings tiny weddings they're growing in popularity because I think people don't want to spend a ton of money I know on the party and then afterwards with the bills I mean if you look back like think about who is at your first wedding I'm sorry well your only wedding but when you think about it weren't there some people that you were I mean I did a destination wedding so so it was small yeah it wasn't small but it wasn't huge although I think my parents had a micro wedding and my dad has a big family they did yeah but my mom has a small family so that I mean they had three

30 people. That's, that's micro-e. I think that's micro-ish. It's 10 to 30, so they are right there. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, would you, I mean, I don't know what to ask. Would you like to have a small wedding or a large wedding one day? When that day comes. Yeah. Probably a small. I'm so uncomfortable. You know, Jenna hates Hoda and Hoda hates Jenna. And I recently just watched, because we just did a piece on this.

You know how Anna Wintour is dragging her successor, Chloe Mow? Yes, big time. That clip is crazy. It's like, Anna's like, I just want, I'm going to get out of the frame. Like, this woman is a mess, you know, but she picked her. They gave a joint interview. To the New York Times style. The new one's kind of earnest and saying like what she's worried about.

And Anna Wintor is like glaring at her. Like, you're a twit. I can't believe I'm sharing a camera with you. Also supremely like a supremely unglomerous twit. Yes, right. And so then Chloe went on. over by herself, like a big girl to today to be interviewed by Jenna Bush Hager for like a big one-on-one. And Jenna goes, you know, we have something in common.

We're both from famous families. Oh, God. So we're looking at two complete charisma vacuum. Colliding. Wait, who's the, what, is she a Nepo baby? The girl taken over for Anna Winter? Chloe's mother is Candice Bergen. Oh, no way.

And her father is the famed. He's dead now. a French Oscar-winning director, Louis Mao, who you would know your child's similar vintage. He directed Brooke Shields and Pretty Baby when she was like 13. Perverted. Yeah. Oh my God.

That movie could never fly today. Never. Completely purved. Never. But, you know, maybe it explains why Chloe's such a dud. Like, she just wants to be normal. She does seem very boring. She's a total dud.

At least Anna Windchor is not boring. You know, you're always wondering what's going on underneath those sunglasses. I feel like with a fashion editor. of that magnitude, you need a big personality and you need a big look to go with it. Yeah. You know, like, you think of like the Diane of Reelins of the world. Like, that's what you want. You and I look better than she looked in that little interview.

You and I could edit Fog. Oh, I think it would be a much bigger success, actually. It absolutely would be. We would know who to profile, and we certainly wouldn't begin a profile of Gavin Newsom with the nonsense that they just did, which sounded like a fawning teenager, spending time with the prom king. It was humiliating what they wrote about him. His hairline and, God, what were some of the adjectives?

It was so painful. I could barely get through. I read some of it to J.D. Vans, we both agreed he will not get that treatment when he sits with Vogue. Well, if J.D. ever gets to sit with Vogue. Yeah, exactly. Or his wife, they'll never get to sit with Vogue. Exactly. Meanwhile, Ushah Vance is stunning. I mean, she was, and she's a brown person.

So Vogue's supposed to love that, but not when you're married to J.D. No, but so, exactly. So the wife of the new mayor of New York. York City, Mom Dami, who is just distinguished himself by racking up like 20 deaths in the most recent snowstorm. Yeah. They're just homeless, Maureen. That's all.

It actually makes me think. It makes me wonder, do people of that ilk who adhere to this belief system of like communal communism, right? Everybody gets the same. Are these people really considered expendable in that way? Because they don't contribute anything. In the same way the top. So they can die.

Who gives a shit? In the same way the tolerant left is the most intolerant group. in America. Name me a conservative who has canceled a friendship over politics. It doesn't happen. So true. It is the left that cancels the right that decides you're too far gone. You're beyond the pale because you vote Republican, because you're a Trump supporter. They hold your politics against you. It only goes one way. I got to tell you something. I just found this out recently. And the friend of mine who told me will not, I don't think, be upset by this. I found out that someone on the outer ring of my social circle who I thought was always sort of pleasant to my

face said to this person we both know how can you be friends with Maureen she's a fascist a fascist she's a fascist I guess I don't know because of where I work or because I come on your show or I work for you I have no idea yeah but I just laughed out loud when I heard it because clearly I think this person really believes it. And like that's so stupid. Yes. But it's so fun when you realize how dumb certain people, you know, who have been in your life are that you didn't know. Like it's a big reveal.

Like, wow, okay. But it's just so funny, I would never hold a friend's politics against her. I don't care who you vote for. I agree. I agree. Could not care less, actually. If you want to ask me about my thoughts on politics or whatever, that's, I'll tell you, obviously. I do that for a living.

And I'll listen to yours, too. I'm not offended by somebody else being a liberal or voting for Kamala. You know, it's not something I would do, but I'm not offended by it. It's only the left. It's just, they're so intolerant. They're so hypocritical. All right, let's keep going. Have you been following the Nancy Guthrie, Nancy Bonaeranee?

A little bit. A lot. A lot. Okay. Trump weighed in again. Oh, yeah? I mean, two weeks ago, he was saying, like, we've got it solved. And that, well, he did say, he said, I think some good things are about to happen. And that was the day before Cash Patel released that video. It's ambiguous, if I'm being honest. He said it on a Friday night and Cash Patel released the stuff on a Tuesday. Okay. And there were reports that the FBI had just found it like that day or on Monday. And they released it immediately. So I, to this moment, I don't totally know if that's what Trump was talking about. I think it is. I feel like they probably did have it and he knew. Or maybe they at least stumbled upon it at Google and they had told the president. That was. That was. I think it is. I feel like they probably did have it. And he knew. And maybe they had least stumbled upon it at Google and they had told the president. That was. That was. That was. That

plausible to me because it Trump doesn't he actually doesn't unlike what the left says about him run out there and say shit that he doesn't he can't back up. But now that's why I'm more bummed about his current messaging, which does not sound hopeful. He got asked again on Air Force One this time, I think the last time too was by Peter Ducey about like what do you think on the Nancy Guthrie case and this is where Trump went with it yesterday. Here it is SOT 7. What do you, based on what you've been told, what do you think happened to Savannah Guthrie's fancy. Boy, it's so crazy.

It's so bad. I didn't like when they were talking about they're going after the pacemaker. And, you know, before they even started going after it, they're coming and reporting it. So if, in fact, they could do it that way, the person would say, well, I'm not going to let that happen, right? So bad things would happen if he didn't,

not going to let that happen. I can't imagine why they would have done that. Just in terms of strategy, just one little piece, I don't know, but we have. You have to start reporting on other subjects also to see what happens. It's a very sad situation. That doesn't sound so hopeful, Maureen. Doesn't sound like a man who just got good news from Cash Patel about where the investigation is.

I've been thinking about this a lot because I've really loathed to the sheriff since day one. And I just wish there were, I don't know what the mechanism would be to just remove him and the sheriff's office and just let the FBI run the point on this. Please. and contain the messaging because he's no longer giving pressers, but any outlet that asks, he will talk to you. And I was listening to your show this morning about the amount of times he like weeps. Yeah, or tries to. Or tries to.

And there's like this weird inversion of like his level of competence. Like he doesn't, he won't realize how incompetent he truly is. And his love of media attention. And anybody who had an iota of self-awareness would know, well, I'm in way over my head on this one. I should run from the media. I should let the FBI deal with this messaging because Trump just said something really smart there. They said, we're now looking for the pacemaker. So whoever did this is going to go retrieve that pacemaker and destroy that pacemaker.

So strategically, that's pretty idiotic. Yeah, if Nancy's been killed, exactly. But is it possible that the pacemaker still emits, even if the person's, is dead. Yes, it does. Not only is it possible, it's probable. They say they do. But that's what normally happens.

It would continue emitting. It just won't be communicating with the iPhone, unless the iPhone's within 30 feet of it. But yeah, it's still sending on a signal. And if you get close enough, you can potentially detect it. But his point is a good one, which basically, why do we know this? If we're trying to, like, find someone who's in the custody,

we presume, of a bad man. Right. Why are we telegraphing to the bad? bad man what we're doing. Here's what we're looking for so you can go hide it. Yes. You know, I feel so terrible for Savannah Guthrie and her family because I remember when my dad died, I didn't want to go over to stay with him until first responders got there. But I went and met my brother at the funeral home. And I remember the first question I said to the funeral director was where is he? And it shocked me. I never thought I would think that way about someone I loved who was

dead. I should know logically they came and they took him away and they brought him to the funeral home. And she said, oh, he's here. He's in the other room. And it was only, that was a key thing I needed to hear so that I could begin really grieving properly. And I fundamentally understood in my bones in that moment why the families of the missing and the dead spend their entire lives trying to find the remains. It's tortuous. I mean, they may never know. And it's sad because like the news cycle around the story is drying up clearly because the police are either running out of leads or have finally decided to stop sharing them. And when that happens, the media does disappear. That's natural. That's the way news works. And when the media disappears, so does the pressure on the

police. There will no longer be 400 law enforcement officers on this case when the media packs up and leaves Tucson. There will not. And so for all this like this, once again, this local congresswoman, she's an Arizona state representative who continues every day to shame the media for covering this case. What? She's very mad at the influencers who say whatever they want. You know what? All you need to be saying is thank you. Thanks for being here and calling attention to the Nancy Guthrie case. Thanks to all those influencers you're shitting on, she's a household name. Okay? Like, it's, it's not because NBC does one report a day on the Today Show on Nancy Guthrie. And their ratings are a shadow of what they used to be. Their show is actually not that well watched. It's the collective that's making her a

ubiquitous household name. Yeah. And what we don't need is to shame the media who's now feeling like, do they even want us here? Like, maybe we should piece out of here. Like, when there's no longer or any reason to and they're not getting daily news updates, they will leave. And then they're going to be really sorry. They will leave. And the other thing that's so key about this is the more, the outlets that regard themselves as more august and above this kind of reportage. You know, the New York Times, et cetera, the way they covered this story or covered it, I don't think they're covering it as assiduously anymore is, why is the media so obsessed? You know, they turn it into a meta story and they remove the actual heart of the story,

which is that a woman who is the mother of a very famous person in America was abducted from her bed in the dead of night. And it's terrifying and nobody has a lead. And instead it's like, what's wrong in the American psyche? What's wrong with all the little minds out there? And then you know what comes right after that. What? Why don't they do this for black people? Oh, right.

That's the next thing is they only do this for a privileged white lady who lives in Tucson. It's like, on stolen land. Let me tell you right now that I don't know if Hoda's mom is still alive. But if Hoda Koppi's mom, God forbid, something like this happened to her, they'd cover it just as much. Holy shit, you know what? So I was talking to Rob Schueter the other day and he had this amazing report that Don Laman took out extra security for his mother. Nobody wants Don's mother.

No, but he wants people to want. Excuse me. He wants people to want his mother so that he can get this kind of media coverage. Did I tell you? So I talked to my mom about security. I'm like, Mom, just FYI, and I let her know a couple of things. and I did worry that she might be a little worried and she found out that we were going to be taking a look at her.

And she was so excited. She was like, I can tell all my friends. She wants to be in danger. She wants to, it's like, ha ha, people want to get me. But they don't. It's not true. It's just my mom. She's very funny.

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That's beekeepers naturals.com slash Megan or enter the code Megan when you check out. Bekeepers naturals.com slash Megan or enter code Megan at checkout. Bekeepers natural products are also available at Target, Whole Foods, Walmart, Amazon, CVS, and Walgreens. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show. Callahan is back with me. She's the host of The Nerve. Go find it at the Nerve show.com and on YouTube and all podcast platforms. It's a huge hit. That's what you need to know. I get stopped all the time about you, Maureen. Tons of people. And they're like, you know what I love? I love the nerve with Maureen Callahan. Oh, I love hearing that. Thank you. It's, it's male and female. It's amazing. Like it has, I think, equal appeal as just the Megan Kelly Show. That's crazy. Equal appeal to men and women. I love that. It's very hard to do. Is it? Yeah, it is. It is. Because. I think like the Today Show is obviously just going for women. Right. Right. A lot of the Manosphere podcast, they just want men. Right. It's hard to find an audience that's almost equal. You know, it's like 55, 45, 45, what have you. And so hats off to you, madam.

Well, thanks, Megan. My favorite emails come from men who make sure to identify themselves as super straight, really tough guys. They love lots of hot heterosexual sex. They also love to shit talk Megan Markle. I got one from a welder the other day. No way. He was like, yeah, like I'm in the shop all the time. I used to catch a ton of shit. shit for listening to your show. And then one day I was like, you got to come over here and hear what the nerve is saying about Megan Markle. And they were like, all into it. Oh, I don't mind if we do. Don't mind if I do. Well, it's funny. You should mention her because I do have something cute up for you. She recently attended an NBA game. And because she doesn't really like publicity, she sat court side

with Harry and had to nudge him to smile for the camera. We've actually gone so far as to slow it down to slow mo so that we can be sure we zero in. Let us see. Here she is. Hi, hi, hi. Hi. There you are. Rubbing the arm.

Give your photo up. So, Maureen, there it is. There's a slow-mo. Oh, yeah. The eyes. You can't miss. Darling, this is the whole reason we're here. That's really what she's saying there.

Look into the damn camera and get me my shot. If you're not looking, then they're not looking at me. So there's a couple of things about that. this is what Mark Bowden calls trophy behavior. So in doing this, Megan is showing off her trophy. And she's trying to animate the trophy to make sure that we're communicating that the trophy is as much in love with me as I am with him. Oh, that makes sense. And then when you slow it down and you look at the minute he looks straight at the camera, it's a micro pause, but his eyes look like he could kill.

He looks He doesn't want to be there And he doesn't want to be engaging With the media that they ran away from Running for their lives That I think he genuinely hates Oh I do too But she doesn't

Oh no she loves it And you know the other thing is like You go Those seats are very coveted Even among celebrities And very expensive Portside seats And if you go

You go to play Like you go Like we see it in New York City At the Knicks games all the time And Spike Lee is like practically like a fixture there has been forever. Even the most recalcitrant cranky celebs who sit like she is next to Queen Lativa, F why. Okay. So do you think that was like whoever does the seating for those games, effing with her a little bit?

Like subversive? Here's a queen. The queen next to the Duchess? She's higher than you. She's higher than you. And she's more well liked than you. And she had a hit show for a very long time. Yeah.

And then the other thing I thought was interesting about that game was the obfing. Obama's were there. God. And it seemed to me like, oh, is this the night where like high profile couples who have divorce rumblings swirling all around them go to show the world that like everything's cool? Yeah, it could have been. I'm not buying it. But it really is a joke. Like, honestly, it's the old, the South Park. We want privacy. We want privacy. Front row court side. You know, like I can, I have, I go to Knicks games with my family. I took my young guy, my 12-year-old, just the two of us, and it was super fun. We went, like, a mom-sund date.

We didn't sit there. I could have bought those tickets. I could have made sure we got seen courtside. I didn't do that because I was going to watch a basketball game with my child. I wasn't going for a photo op, which clearly she was. She doesn't care about basketball. She wanted to be seen, and this bitch is still, they're in court right now, suing the daily mail in the UK about like yet another piece of coverage that they thought was unfair

to poor mean Harry and Megan, you know, like poor mean daily mail going after these poor, you know, losers who just want to be left alone. Bullshit. He was on the stand, by the way, in that courtroom crying, like weeping or trying to weep on the stand about the misery that the media has caused his wife. And the judge in the case had to remonstrate him several times and say, excuse me, sir, this is a courtroom. It is not about your emotion. It's not a. It's not a. Oprah. Pull yourself together and speak to the matter at hand. That is it. So it cannot be both, right? It cannot be both. This is exactly right. If you put yourself out into the public sphere as a public figure, you know, in any prominent way, there's a number of ways that you can become a public figure and be out there.

You have to accept that this is part of the deal. It's not nice. It's not pleasant. I mean, I was, I was, I was, laughing, Abby and I were looking at this recently about it. I'm like, in the past few years, I've been called a racist, a transphobe, a bigot, an Islamophob, a pro-pedophile, now it's anti-Semite. Like, none of this is pleasant. None of it is true. And you really do have to know who you are, you know, to be able to handle this. And I think that's part of the problem with this woman. She doesn't know who she is. Exactly. At all, she's playing a role. And she has been from the start, especially with Harry. Exactly. So she can't take the negative coverage, which is why they continue suing and suing and suing. And even in that court proceeding, he was talking

about how like, my wife was treated abominably by the British press court. Oh my God, they made her an international star. They loved her in the beginning. You only started to get upset when she started to behave badly, and they wrote about that too. The thing about Megan, to your point about not knowing who she is. So, like, all the things you were just describing are unpleasant, but I'm sure they don't land with you. I'm sure it's like Elizabeth Taylor once said about Joan Rivers. Doesn't hit me where I live.

Not who I am. Yeah. I know that. I think her problem is she thought that this level of fame and a power marriage like this would fill the hole, but nothing's going to fill that hole. It's an unfil. It's a black hole because it's a black. whole of identity inside.

Right. And interestingly, in her case, it doesn't have to do, I don't think she has, like, man issues. She has self-esteem issues. Like the women who have man issues have dads who were not around or who left their moms or who serial cheaters on the moms, right? And they don't know how to be treated. They don't know how to, like, demand good treatment, usually, and then generalizing.

That's not her thing. Her thing is I need to be built up into something I'm not. Whatever I am is not good enough. In her head, this is how she feels. And so she's got to land the prince and she's got to have the right cover of the right magazine. She's got to be called Duchess, even when she's the only one in the house, Maureen. She's got to be courtside. She's got to be as ever.

And with the beekeeper, right? Like all of it has to be curated to perfection, or we're all going to see behind the veil. that she's just like the rest of us, imperfect as hell, but relatively fine. Well, you know, there are parallels here with Carolyn Beset Kennedy, who I think we're going to get to. But one of the things about Megan also that is such a tell for me is that whenever she's interacting with another person who's not really, it's not Harry, but it'll be somebody else, whether it's a friend, an employee, a handler, whatever. She does this thing constantly that is so off-putting and it's a power move. She pets them. I was picturing that in my mind while you were winding up.

She pets them. She takes her hand. She brings it over them. And then it goes somewhere on like the back or the shoulder or the arm where the other person can't even get to it to be like, get off, get off. You know? Oh, she does it in this video. Canadian Debbie tells me. She's got the sashay going.

Oh, here I am. Okay, keep going. And then she gets to the red carpet or the blue carpet, you'll see. And this handler is attempting to arrange this completely unruly, dated, old person's train. This gown is so dated. Like, she can't even, like, no decent stylist will work with her. You can tell. Right. They don't want anything to do with this. This thing looks like an 80s prom dress to me. It does, actually. And look at her, like, flaunting the, look at, oh, my train. This wasn't even her night. This is Tina Knowles's night. This is Beyonce's mother's night. This is apparently also

another gala she invited herself to. She wasn't on the list. She wasn't on the program. She wasn't among the honorees or the distinguished guests. This is what I object to. I object to obvious attempts to be fabulous. It's one thing to be fabulous, right? It really is. Yes. And you just are. And it's quite another one. I can see you're trying. It's a turnoff. Not for nothing, but back to that sheriff out in the Tucson Nancy Bonae-Ransy case. I'm sorry. It's just so funny. I love that. I was sorry, forgive me. We have to laugh where we can. Melissa Francis, you know, she's a friend of mine from Fox News and she's a, she was formerly a big child star. She was on Little House in the Prairie. She and Jason Bateman played the Ingalls second round of children when the originals

grew up. Oh. And she was little Cassandra Ingalls. Okay. And Jason Bateman was her brother. And she could cry on a dime like nobody's business, actual tears. Hold on a second. I got to pull this up. I don't think Melissa would care if I read this, but we were texting about it this morning about that she had watched the sheriff's segment and she liked it. And she was saying, she said, love the comments on the crying investigator. Take it from a world champion. What did I tell my son? Her son tried to like pretend cry or not getting something when he was young and she was like, I expect more than this. She says, there's no water on your face. It's very hard to believe you when there's no water. She says, it's very hard to truly cry without water. This is why they paid me so

much. She said, this is why my daughter's going to be a star. She's like, she goes, do you make crying face and crying voice? That's easy. But does water fall out of your eyes onto your cheeks? That is the test of truth. And she says, I have not seen liquid with that man. Love the number one expert. She's amazing. But she's right. She's absolutely right. And what I have read is the acting trick to being a convincing crier is that when people are about to, cry almost every moment like you're trying not to. Yeah. Especially if you're in public.

Yes. You can see the face try to suppress everything and push it back. And actually the act of doing that kind of makes you cry more. Yeah. Because you're beginning to feel bad for yourself now. Oh and God forbid somebody feel bad for you in that moment. Oh, 100% is the last thing you want. You're done.

The last thing you want. So yeah, he's the worst. She's the worst. I have a tell before I cry. Oh, what is it? I've had it since I was a little, my whole life. I get this involuntary huge frown. Oh, yeah.

The sides of my mouth go like down far. Same. I mean, you can't really Botox this region. So you can see everything. It goes down, it goes down hard more than. It makes us human. We want to stay human. We don't want to have like the frozen visage.

I really genuinely do not. But in any event, yeah, some of us have that tell. It's funny. Do you ever watch Modern Family? No, I know it's great. I love Motherfair. My whole family loves it. But Claire Dunphy, she's got one of those tells where whenever she talks about somebody dying,

she bursts out into like a weird smile. I love it. I can relate to that too. Sometimes I'm talking about very dark news. Like I'll have a compunction to smile or even like laugh. It must be in the brain located right next to cry or like emot. You know, and like the signal gets crossed. My very first wake was, I was young.

I was maybe eight years old. I was too young to be at a wake, but that's the Irish for you. Yeah. And, you know, we love an open casket. We love it. And so it was my first time seeing a dead body and experiencing like this very, to a small child, this very strange ritual. Yeah.

And I remember having a laughing fit at the wake. And I couldn't stop it. And I felt terrible and I knew it was wrong. Right. It was like this involuntary physiological reaction. And when we got back, like, I remember my parents just defending me. And I love them for it. And they were like, she's a child.

And this is a lot. And death is an enormous concept for a small child. Of course she had this weird reaction. You know, not everybody's going to cry and do everything on cue. I actually remember what caused the laughing fit. It was because we had these distinct cousins who were not very attractive, who upon seeing my very handsome teenage male relatives come in, made a beeline for them like it was a single spar. That's what made me laugh. I was like, we're out of way. You were the same, even at eight

years old. You were on to them. All right, now, speaking of eight-year-old girls, let's talk about Prince Andrew. Oh, God. Sorry, sorry. It's a transition. He, that, that whole thing yesterday with him getting arrested is crazy. It is. Did you see the picture of him when he got out of the pokey yesterday? I could not believe it was real. Same. Holy shit. He looks there. We're putting it on. Terrified. That looks like something like he posed for in order to make himself look like it's worth, but he didn't. They just captured that in the moment. That guy doesn't know what hit him. The headline is now he's sweating because among other lies, he told that BBC interviewer seven years ago was that he, Virginia Dufre, his accuser, said that she was sweating all over the place and he said,

I can't sweat. Actually, we have that. Let's watch that. Let's watch him talk about how he can't sweat. This is in 2019 to the BBC. Sout 11. She was very specific about that night. She described dancing with you and you profusely sweating and that she went on to have bath, possibly. There's a slight problem with with with with the sweating because I have a peculiar medical condition which is that I don't sweat or I didn't sweat at the time and that was oh she yes I didn't sweat at the time because I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War when I was shot at and I simply it was it was it was almost

impossible for me to sweat. And it's only because I have done a number of things in the recent past that I'm starting to be able to do that again. So I'm afraid to say that there's a medical condition that says that I didn't do it. Oh my God, Maureen. You forget how bad that was. It was so bad they made a movie out of it. They did. I think it's on Netflix. It was so bad. The answer is, I've never met her. I certainly didn't have sex with her. I certainly didn't have sex with her. She, gray, gray. It's not, I have a condition based of my adrenaline. The fall as war. Have you ever heard of such a thing? You've interviewed your fair share of combat veterans. You lose the ability to sweat? No. I know the free solo guy lost adrenaline and now he has to go free soloing in order

to feel excitement. I don't think that's what he was saying. From the sound of it, Prince Andrew feels excitement just fine. From the sound of it. And then at the end of yesterday, there were even more disturbing photos that broke. We had them on the Daily Mail. From the Epstein files. And this is how you know it's really bad because we can look at an image of Andrew seated on a sofa next to a toddler and our minds go to the absolute worst place. That's sick.

They go to the absolute worst place. And I don't think King Charles is going to survive this. That's what Dan Wooden said. That's what Pierce Morgan said. Like I trust those guys. They not only are a very famous British journalist. Well, Dan's in Ozzy, but he's been living. Great Britain. But they covered the rules. That was their beat for many years. Like, they have

very good sources inside. And neither one thinks that King Charles is going to survive this. Holy cow. I think he'll be gone within six months. I think that the official line will be. It's due to his health. They'll use that. Yep. And William will ascend to the throne, which is what the British people want. Frankly, what every sane person wants. Yes. And he will begin to clean house. And he will begin to clean house. Yeah. And save the monarchy because without, if the king does not abdicate, I think the monarchy is in existential danger of going away forever. Because Dan was pointing out that King Charles, when he was Prince Charles, his fingerprints were all over that Epstein settlement that the queen signed off on to make Virginia Jufre go away. Though I have to say this. I actually believe,

like, I do believe that Jeffrey Ferryt. I do believe that. And I do think he trafficked her to Andrew. I actually do believe her allegations against him. He's just been too much of a liar, and it's so obvious. And the picture, he lied that the picture was fake and the picture turned out to be real. He was with her clearly when she was underage. She was 17 in that picture. Now in the Epstein documents, you see an email from a New York Times reporter saying to Jeffrey, who was worried about his own reputation because of his association with Andrew, saying, you don't have anything to worry about. Like, you know, you weren't there. Look, they had consensual sex. You should distance yourself from it. And Andrew didn't write back like, no, they didn't have sex. That's not true, right?

Sorry, Jeffrey. Jeffrey didn't write back saying that. So, but having said all that, Virginia Dufre is like an enormous liar. God rest her. She lied about so many things. I went back and did a deep, deep dive on this when she accused Dershowitz. And she wound up getting rid of that case by saying she may have misremembered in her accusation against him. Meanwhile, Alan was like, look at every date book. Look at every record I ever had. That's what a truth teller sounds like. And he sued everybody for defamation. Like, it's on, you fuckers.

I am not that person and I didn't do the thing. And I only ever had sex with my wife. Like he said, what a truth teller, as Phil Houston says, in spy the lie. Truth tellers run toward the truth. They're not afraid to say, like, I've had sex with this number of people. It was in college. And then when I got married and nobody ever after. They'll go right to the details.

I'll give it all to you. Anyway, so it's just hard because I don't know what he's being brought down for, allegedly for passing on documents. We'll see, or is it really because they couldn't quite nail him down on the sex trafficking stuff? Well, you know, I find that the formal charge is the first one. And, you know, they rated, I believe, three of palaces and residences that he has been in and that Fergie has been in. The Virginia-Ju-Ju-Frey stuff I struggle with because the girls and women,

women that wind up getting trafficked and brought into this world are already extremely damaged. That's the reason they're chosen. And they apply them with drugs and alcohol and all manner of torture. And, you know, memory is a fungible, fallible thing, you know. And I would put her testimony about Andrew well above anything Andrew tried to claim did or did not happen. Yeah. We covered, so I was doing a bunch of research about this yesterday and there was an FBI file from 2020 that's in this Andrew dump. That claims, and this is very, very, very dark stuff that

Andrew witnessed the torture of a young girl, age 6 to 8, who was strapped to a table and tortured with electrical shocks. And that Galane Maxwell was the one who administered them. Then there was a second part. Is that that FBI thing that like anybody could say anything that they released? It was like all unsubstantiated. No, this one had locations. This one said there was one. There's no way that's true. You don't believe that?

No, I don't. I am open to believing it, and I'll tell you why. These people, someone like Andrew, who is just an aimless, shiftless layabout, who's a beta royal, who is nothing to do, who can get any sort of pleasure he wants. At a certain point, your dopamine receptors, it doesn't matter. You know, he could have sex with eight women at once. Doesn't matter. Yeah. That's true.

That's what happens to people who get addicted to porn. Well, that was always my first question before I really began to get into this kind of research about Harvey Weinstein. Well, Harvey Weinstein had an enormous amount of power. Why rape? Right? Yeah. Just use the casting couch. It's transactional.

It's been done forever. And it was a male friend of mine who said to me at a certain point, your dopamine receptors, great guy, not like this. The dopamine receptors, it just doesn't matter anymore. You need to up the ante. It has to be about power and control. I think that's a factor with Harvey, but the other factor is something happened to him when he was young that made him need to feel dirty. Andrew, you mean?

Yeah, Harvey Weinstein. Oh, Harvey? In the middle of the act. That's why Lauren Savon, who worked with me at Fox, who came on my NBC show and was the very first person to go on the record about Harvey, like on television, telling the story. story. She told the story about how they were at Cypiani in New York. Chipriani? Yeah. And she didn't know him. And she met him, you know, was there just before he was exposed and all that, so to speak. She got up to go to the bathroom. He followed her into this corridor leading to the ladies' room. And he starts, he's like, hey, Lauren, she kind of turns around.

And he starts talking to him. And he whips it out and starts playing with himself. And she froze. She totally froze. She's like, what the hell? is happening. Like, and he jerked off into a potted plant right there in the hallway. And I talked to a psychiatrist about this on the show, you know, at the time, like, who does that? And she said, it's the dirtiness of it. Like, he needs to feel like he's a disgusting pervert in order to get off. We took a turn there, but yeah. No, I'm just, I'm absorbing it all because the other thing that I remember, the potted plant was a character in that trial. Like, they could have had the potted plant testify. You know what I mean? And we all felt sorry for it. I know. Why did the plan have to get it?

Like, Harvey's dirty expectations out of there. But the other thing about Harvey that so many of the women testified to and which was a puzzle piece for me is that apparently his genitalia is very small and malformed. Oh, God. And so, you know, do you think like a beautiful woman, like a Georgina Chapman, is really in that for the law? of Harvey Weinstein. I'm truly like one of the most beautiful people roaming the earth. No. No. So he knows that already. Like he knows this person is, you know. Well, speaking of her, I started the show. We did a deep dive on Epstein on, was it Tuesday or Wednesday, I think Wednesday. And I said, look, you got to distinguish between a gold digger and a sex trafficking victim. And the difference is fraud,

force, or coercion. That exists in a sex trafficking case. and not in a gold digging case. Georgina Chapman, in my view, is a gold digger. Like, there's zero reason for somebody like that. I don't believe she was attracted to Harvey Weinstein. I don't believe they just fell in love. She married him because he was this huge, powerful guy with tons of money who could create opportunities for her, which he did,

and because he could give her a certain lifestyle. There are a lot of women who do that. It's not sex trafficking. And in the Epstein case, each person has to be evaluated. We're never going to get this chance because he's dead. But, like, there could be gold diggers in this. massive field of alleged victims who were like, they fully knew what they were getting themselves into and just wanted the access. It was like the calling card. I got to give it up to a couple of

random stranger friends of Jeffries. And in exchange for that, he's going to introduce me to some powerful people who might marry me or might give me a modeling job. And then there's the other younger damage set who were made promises by Jeffrey of like, you're going to have this, you're going to have the other thing and possibly threatened by Jeffrey if they didn't go through with it in an ongoing way once they got here. Now you're talking. in possible fraud force or coercion sex trafficking. Yes. And I think in the middle of that Venn diagram is someone like Cassie from the Ditty trial. Yeah. Yeah. Who you could say was both. Yes. Right. But at the end of the day, for me, the scales of

justice, I look at the video of Sean Combs beating the shit out of her and she's a victim. I know. That's why it was so amazing that jury didn't think fraud, force, or coercion was present in that case. It's literally on tape. Like you don't actually even have. to believe. Yeah. Back into that hotel room. Third parties testifying that he beat the shit out of her in the back room to make her go out there and continue the freak off.

But because she had said once she consented earlier in the relationship or even at the beginning of the session, consent can be withdrawn. Absolutely. They saw her in the gold digger category. And that's why he wasn't convicted of sex trafficking. Well, I don't like Andrews' chances right now. I think the British public can't stand him. And here's the other thing.

back on weather because he's, you know, it's like the, everybody said it's more like the Al Capone thing. They're getting him on the taxes, not on the actual other crimes alleged. Why would King Charles have offered him up on a silver platter, which he clearly did making that statement, like it was stripping him of his prince title, you know. Right, right. Was it earlier this year? Which was basically saying have at him. I'm not going to protect him. If you want to get him, you can get him.

He knows. He knows there's more. Whatever bodies are buried, he knows. He knows, and so do many of the current and former staff at Buckingham Palace. Who let Galane Maxwell, I can't believe I have to freaking think about how to pronounce her name correctly. She's such a piece of shit. Galane Maxwell and Kevin Spacey into Buckingham Palace to sit on literal thrones and photograph it like a lot. I was saying this the other day.

It makes me think of the JFK White House and all of the Secret Service who were disgusted, but they had to do it because it was their job. bringing all these women and girls in and out and in and out. It's a huge apparatus. And Charles knows that the very, that the monarchy itself is at a level of threat it's never faced before. Because if they start really digging, and that's, so that's the real question I have, how far does law enforcement really dig? Right? Do they go to a certain point and make a deal and let Andrew get away with a certain amount of time?

Dan was saying they don't really do deals over there. Really? Yeah. Dan was saying it's the general practices like you're convicted or you're not. Wow. Yeah. Like you could plead guilty at the beginning. But like he said it's not really like our justicism.

I've never looked into it as a solicitor or a barrister. But we'll have to see whether that's a real option for him, like a possible deal. But it doesn't look good for Andrew. I guarantee you Charles was told something earlier on this year about what's in his files or what's going to come out or possibly like dark practices that he may have engaged in this speculation, and said, we're cutting him loose. Because nothing had really changed at that point. I don't know.

Like, all the juicy Epstein stuff is coming out right now. I think that your theory is probably correct. But what frustrates me is, if only we had a King William at that point, who would have just kicked him all the way out, all the way out. He's still living on, like, the royal properties. Royal residences, which makes me think, you know, Charles is worried, too. that Andrew's going to say, well, guess what? You know, my brother paid a million dollars to the Jepre settlement fund.

Yes. You know? So he knows stuff. Yes. He's not some innocent. That's right. They are going to say that, and he did. Dan was talking about that yesterday.

All right, let's keep going, as you mentioned Kennedy, which brings me to Love Story. It's on FX and Hulu right now. I just started watching the first episode. What did you think? Well, I've got some problems. I know you've got a lot of problems with this, but the guy playing JFK Jr. is so far annoying me. I don't think he's attractive enough, even though he's a male model. I think JFK Jr. was actually significantly better looking than this guy.

So I think if you're just going to go for the pure model, you should go, you should step it up one notch more. Okay. The gal, last name, Pigeon. I think the same about her. She's a beautiful woman, but Carolyn Beset had a very distinctive look. Yes. I don't think they've got it. Yes. That's all I've seen so far. I'm only like half an hour into the first. episode. Okay. But you literally wrote the book on the Kennedys. It's called Ask Not. If you really want to know what happened in the Kennedy family, read Maureen's book. Let me show a scene. Oh, okay. This is actually, this is not a bad one. This is JFK Jr. in the gym. I did watch this with his cousin, Anthony Radswell. How do you pronounce that? Rodswell. Yeah, okay. We have a chair up there in our house.

You have to show it to me. I will. His mother. How are they really? Is Jackie, sister? Yeah, Lee Radswell was Jackie's sister. We have Lee Radswell's chair. Get out. I'm fancy, Maureen. Oh. Yeah. That and a nickel get you a gumball. Here's JFK Jr., the fake JFK Jr. at the gym with his cousin Anthony, Sot 31. So what if he flubbed the bar exam twice, twice as in parentheticals? America's uncrowned prince is facing 30 with a steady girlfriend, fabulous looks, even a movie role. But now it's time to hit those law books. If it makes you feel any better, anyone who knows you knows that you don't have a steady girlfriend. Fuck off. I can't show my face around the city with these headlines everywhere.

I'll just show your dick to everyone at the gym. Apparently, this is all I'm good for. Well, as your cousin, obviously, I disagree. Also, I'm an actual prince with a title and everything. What is this obsession with anointing you? Okay, your thoughts on it. I have several problems with that scene. The first is I hate clunky expository dialogue.

I love the way your mind works. As your cousin, I disagree. Like, you have to communicate to the audience that these two are cousins in a much more artful manner. Same with, well, I'm an actual prince. Like, you've got to be more sophisticated about it. He is also, you know, he's the guy with cancer that Carol Radzwell married to get close to J.F. My opinion, get close to JFK Jr. and Carolyn Beset. Yes.

Who I believe she was really in love with. I think Carol was really in love with Carolyn Bissette. But that's another conversation. Okay, wow. Okay. Secondly, if they wanted to go with real verisimilitude, JFK Jr. used to walk around the gym, fully naked, playing with his genitalia. It's a theme, right?

Harvey potted plant. Yeah. Like picking around down there, inspecting. So he was like teasing all the men at the gym. Needing attention? Needing, like needed attention like no other. And so it was a little marquely. But I think Carolyn was the Markle.

I think that JFK Jr., you know, he chose to live in New York City, and he spent every free moment running around shirtless. Yes. He loved the media attention. Yes. He loved it. It was what he did best. He wasn't a brainiac. No.

He wasn't a lawyer. He wasn't a publishing magnate. He was a hot guy looking for a good time. With a great name. With a great name. And he looked like a movie star. And I agree with you completely. The thing about JFK Jr. and Carolyn Beset, the real things, they had that factor.

Like, you cannot manufacture it. Yeah. You know, and like you can put as many hair extensions in Sarah Pigeon as you want. Yep. And lighter as much as you want. The real, because the real people were so unstable, so damage. Yes. So messy.

So obsessed with presenting themselves physically perfect. I think to cover up all that mess inside. So that's where the focus would go, right? And there was something very compelling. Maybe it was the damage. You looked at JFK Jr. It wasn't just his look. I mean, he was a very handsome guy,

but there was something going on there. Like, there was a lot he was working out. Maybe it was his death wish, as you document and ask not. But, like, there was something fascinating about him. As you looked at him, as you listened to him, talk. Maybe it's just that he was the son of American royalty. This model, he's an attractive man by any measure, but like, he doesn't have the it factor. And I think if you're

going to play JFK Jr., you have to have the it factor. And same for Carolyn Bissette Kennedy, however damage she was. Maybe that's part of it, but she's also missing the it factor. They're not, you're not, you're not like, as you see him on stage, which you should be. You should be watching them like, oh my God. Even if they're not as attractive and they don't, are they not exact replicas? Right. Right. But like, if they've got the thing, yes. It would have worked better. You know those people who walk into a room and you feel the energy shift. Like the energy goes to, like everybody knows somebody of import or whatever has entered the room. The one thing I will say about this guy's characterization, which I am enjoying, is I think, A, he's gotten JFK Jr's voice down.

And I think that was a really hard voice to get down because there was no personality in it. Like, it had just been scrubbed of any real, like, affect or weirdness or idiosyncrasy. And it kind of had all these rounded vowels. And I also, I don't know whether he's been directed this way. I know Sarah Pigeon had a movement coach to play Carolyn Beset. So I'm guessing he had a movement coach to play JFK Jr. Who was all about his physicality. But he's kind of playing him like this Bing Dumb puppy.

Okay. Like he's always like taken as, this is true. This is what JFK Jr. would do. He like never understood why his bicycles were always getting stolen because he never fucking lock them up. Oh, yeah. On the streets of New York City. Yeah. He just thought, well, it's my bike.

Nobody's going to steal my. I'm JFKJ. It's going to happen. So I know they call. they call it love story. Is that the right title for this thing? In Ryan Murphy's world, sure. Ryan Murphy is a dark, my opinion, I think he's a dark, dark guy.

I don't know if you noticed the title sequence. Did you look at that at all? It's those hands. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like the Da Vinci hands. Yeah. Yeah, there it is.

Okay, so look at the way they're moving together, right? They look like ghostly apparitions. and they're moving so slowly, it looks to me like they're moving in water. And they're coming together. Oh, that's creepy. It's very creepy. And I just, I think that speaks to this, first of all, there's a darkness in the culture that is like that right there to me is emblematic of it. There is this fascination with an elevation of like death and like the more macabre, the better.

Because those people met violent ends. And I don't understand how it is. like Ryan Murphy is telling a version of this story that is soapy and glossy and as someone who lived, you know, as a young person in downtown New York in the 90s, they're getting a lot of it right, that vibe, that feel, like that last pre-internet moment.

You know, it was really... I was suddenly feel cooler than I normally do. But it was like magazines mattered and people went out to restaurants and bars and clubs. And he was a man about town. He was constantly in the paper. And he was among us, you know. know he was on the subway and um but the real story is so much stranger and weird and darker and the

way he treated her in the beginning was like he just treated her like any other woman off the assembly line who wanted to be with him there was nothing that really you know he was he was still with darrell hannah and keeping her on the back burner and she would find out that they were back together by opening up the paper like everybody else. Oh my God. Can you imagine you've been with this guy and he's led you to believe that like you have a real future and you open up page six to see him with his movie star girlfriend? No.

I laughed at the, we failed the bar exam the second time. I filled the story before, but he passed it on the third time. And if he didn't pass it, he was going to get fire from his job in the New York DA's office. And he passed it by going to Albany Law School where I attended. No. And he took his review class there because Albany Law School. was a very high percentage pass rate. It's a great law school. It's smaller and not as well known as others, but it is a great law school, especially if you want to practice in the Northeastern

or New York. And so he went there and my mother was like, this is your chance. You could marry him. He's the most eligible bachelor in America. You get in there and you try to make nice with JFK Jr. It didn't work out, morning. What happened? Nothing. I didn't get in there. He's never, he never met me. He had no idea who I was. And even if he had, he would have had zero interest in me because I did not look like Carolyn Bessette Kennedy. In any event, you dodged a bullet. Well, when he died, I think my mom was relieved, but he had a tumultuous life. He had a reckless existence. Ask Not really walks you through how wreck. He had a death wish, this guy. And instead, this seems to be yet another Ryan Murphy. I think he's a misogynist. I actually have wonder, like, I wonder,

I'm not going to say Taylor Sheridan is a misogynist, but he can't write. women. Every woman he writes is very unlikable, irascible, and deeply problematic. I wonder about these very famous Hollywood writers who write women as just like the least likable, together, cool people. And I don't know.

But Ryan Murphy, I definitely suspect, has got a serious problem with women because he seems to be blaming, you've pointed this out before, the plane crash on Carolyn's tardiness to showing up to the plane that day. And that's not really what did it. I think

that Ryan Murphy is there is a specific kind of gay man that is very dangerous. They are truly misogynists, but they use their sexuality as a way of sidling up to women and being like, I could never be against women. Look, I know what it's like to be like a marginalized person in the world. Andy Cohen's another one. Okay, they're very dangerous. I agree with you that Taylor, I think Taylor Sheridan is a misogynist. I watched the bulk of Yellowstone, and there was a scene in there where he had the strongest female character brutally assaulted and nearly gang raped. Beth Dutton. That scene went on way too long. I'll say the same thing. I agree. And I'm watching Landman now, which I like. I like Landman. Okay. The daughter. He's like having these conversations

about sex with her father. Exactly. And the wife, you know, his ex-wife, who they're back together. But like, there's something about the way he's writing these women. And I'm like, this is kind of offensive. Like where there is a strong female lawyer there. So I don't know what he's going to do with her. She's a good. And I like Terrell Shearine. I like that he's not woke and I like that he's pushing back on oil narratives in this show, among other narratives.

But like it is not great to have all women in your series portrayed like complete fuckups. Like you do need a couple of strong great female role models, I think, in your in your movies. I mean, in defensive Taylor, his male characters are also pretty shitty. So maybe it's across the board. Are they getting like gang raped? Like are they under threat? You know, in that whole scene with Beth Dutton, too, where it was like, well, is the guy who's the boy? Rip, is Rip going to get to her on time and like, you know, throw all these guys through windows?

I had a similar reckoning with David Chase and the Sopranos. Oh. Okay. So do you remember the episode where Melfi gets raped? Yes. Okay. I purposefully never watched that episode. I watched the entire series, but I would not watch that episode.

and then I was watching the documentary on Chase. This is the Tony Soprano psychiatrist, female secret played by Lorraine Brockow. Lorraine Brocko, very tough New York woman, like a tough, glamorous New York woman. And in the documentary, she said to David Chase, she got that script and she said, why are you doing this to her?

Oh, yeah, that's right. Why are you doing this to her? I don't want you to do this to her. And she said, he explained it to her, and then she understood. But that was the first time I watched that scene in the context of that documentary. And it went on forever.

And I thought he is enjoying this. And he is enjoying. taking the one woman in this series who is an intellectual and an independent woman and violating her like this and violating the actress who plays her like this. And it's rage at the mother, whole other thing. Wow. Yeah. I don't think you're wrong. Well, are you enjoying the series love story? I find it very watchable. They drop the first three episodes and then now one comes out per week. I find it very watchable, which is different than do I think it's good. You know what I mean? I know you don't think they're portraying Jackie O correctly. I think it's a desecration. We have time. Let's play a little clip of that. We have one of those. Do you guys know the one? It's, oh, SOT 33, I think, is the one, right?

I don't know. Do you want to see when she speaks to JFK Jr.? Only one of us knows what it's like to marry into the family, or do you want to see the one where she's drinking alone or a living room? Drinking alone. That's the one where he wants. Let's see it. Stop 34.

Before you drift to sleep upon your cot. She's in a living room. She's like hugging herself and kind of. the dancing. She's smoking? Can't tell. Ask every person if he's heard the story. And tell it strong and clear if he has not.

She's picking up a JFK portrait and dancing with it. There was a fleeting wisp of glory. Called Camelot. Camelot. Camelot. Once there was a spot. for one grief shining moment. Oh, wow.

It's like a miniature replica of JFK's official White House portrait. It's beyond camp. So at this point in the series, Jackie is dying of cancer, like a very aggressive cancer. She weighs like 80 pounds soaking wet. She's drunk, chain smoking near an open fire. And what do you do? Of course, you bend down and pick up like a 40-foot portrait and start dancing. dancing with it. It's like the size of this thing. Exactly. Exactly. So they're not going for

true accuracy here. Okay, that's typical Ryan Murphy. Okay, there's more that we have to get to. Let me switch to the Olympics. The Alyssa Lou win last night. Do we have a clip of it? Let's see. Alisa Lou. I don't know if we cut her actual skating. Yeah, we did. Saw 12. Let's watch. People loved it when she dragged across the ice. with her knee down. She just did. Now she does a bunch of them spinning with her knees on the ground.

Why did we love that and her so much? I don't know. You know, ice skating is really one of my favorite things to watch in the Olympics. It always has been. I haven't been able to watch

as much this year. I would imagine, though, the physical, like how difficult it must be to skate on your knees? Oh my God. The potential damage you could do. That could be a career ender.

Yes. And she got a bigger cheer for that, then she got for like, she did a quad. She did triple axle, like the hardest moves. She, her dad was born in China. He fled here, I think, at age 25 after Tiananmen Square. And he then he had Alyssa through a surrogate. Like, he had a donor egg put into a surrogate. And then he had Alyssa and her brother and sister, I think it is, and raised them out in San Francisco. when she became a star ice skater, she went to the Olympics when she was 16 in China, in Beijing.

And she went, I think, four years earlier when she was just 12. I can't remember where the Olympics were that year. And she was just a bay, but she tried. She did okay. She finished seventh in Beijing. But they kept trying to, like, recruit her, the Chinese. And the state department at the dad's request had to put two full-time guards with her when she went over to Beijing.

So the Chinese have been eyeballing her, because they wanted to make her into an Eileen goo, you know, who skates for China. Yeah, I heard you. Not America, given the fact that her dad was Chinese. What, Steve? Oh, yeah, Eileen skis. He's putting it.

Eileen goes a skier. Alyne is obviously a skater. And Eileen went for it and is making millions of dollars, thanks to her Chinese affiliation, and she's winning medals for the Chinese now, even though she's American. And this gal said no. Wow.

And her dad, no. They resisted every effort. They resisted all those gazillion dollar endorsement deals they could have gotten if they'd signed with the Chinese because they'll throw money at you. She said, I'm skating for America. And the dad said that there's a reason I moved to the United States of America. She went out there and they talked about how she retired. She retired right after the Beijing Olympics when she was 16. And then two years after that, when she was 18, she tried skiing.

And she had so much fun skiing down the ski mountain. It was very challenging. Her legs were burning. But she felt exhilarated. by the challenge and she thought, what if I could have this feeling out on the ice doing the thing that I used to be really good at? Oh, wow. And so she put her skates back on. She went back out there and she tested to see if she could still do a double axle. And she could. She did it. And she was like, there might be a way back for me where I can do

this sport my way. And so she started to skate the way she wants. And she chose the music. she wanted. And she wore her hair the way she wanted with the crazy stripes. And she had the lip piercing that makes it look like she's got, you know, little, two little things on the two front teeth. And she got out there and she chose the, who sings that song, you know, is it Eileen Kara? Whatever. She chose, you know, one of our more fun pop anthems here, not some stiff operatic thing that puts you to sleep. And she had fun with her gold flitty gown. And we did too. Like that was part, I have more to say. I'm not done with Alyssa, but I do have to take a quick break. We're going to come back on the opposite side and finish our discussion of the Olympics.

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So I was saying about Alyssa Lou, I think that her effervescence won her the gold. She came back, she did it her way. And it wasn't like the stuffy, U.S. figure skating, perfection little Nancy Kerrigan way. It was like, take me as I am. And it gave her the confidence to go out there and skate. Like, she had fun.

Everybody else looked scared, shitless. She had a great time. And I wonder if there's like an example in there for these other figure skaters who choked sometimes. You know, like, poor sweet I'll, Ilya, Malinen. I don't know, forgive me, he's new to me. But he's wonderful. But he had a very tough performance the other night. He choked and he admitted it that it was a choke, that it was a choke, that it was

mental. Maybe if you just go out there and you just make it like the most fun thing that you can't wait to do, you get results like this gal in gold. That's the thing I love about sports, whether it's the Olympics or professional sports. And it's not like I'm a huge sports fan. There are certain things I do really love. Like I love watching the U.S. Open and stuff. But I love the metaphor that sports can give you for so much in life. And when you're talking about that, like that way like that's how I try to approach anything like it's just like the nerve yeah like I have so much fun with the nerve and I wasn't trying to make it fit into any sort of particular box certain people is just like well we're all kind of out of our minds over there and it's really fun and

that's how we do it and I think you know it made me think too of um god oh so so uh I saw this segment once back on real sports when that was still running with Brian Gumbull about these major league pitchers, like these phenoms, like these guys, like, they were just gifted. Like, I mean, they worked hard, but like they had natural inborn talent. And there's this thing that I forget, they have a name for it where, like, suddenly they like freeze and they choke and they lose their ability to pitch. Oh. And it's not just like...

The yips. The yps, exactly. And it's like, it, and then it really calcifies within them. And the more they try to get out of it, like, the deeper they get into it. And they have to hire, like, specific coaches to get them back to the majors. And watching it, it was just like terrifying to me because it's a, it's an object lesson, I think, in trying not to get too in your own head too much and trying to control an outcome. Like, I would bet that girl probably came at that like, I'm just happy to be here.

I'm at the effing Olympics. Yeah. That's a win. That's a win in and of itself. And even her coach was on the like the preview setup piece was like, she came back and said, I want to skate again. And so I opened up a huge bottle of wine. And she had made clear to him.

I want to do it on my own terms, and he understood, I think, this is not going to be what people are used to. And man, it worked out so, it was just, it was so joyful to watch. Equally joyful women's hockey team. We beat the evil top hat Canada. What's amazing is our team, they're saying that this women's team is the best ever assembled, our female team. We in the entire Olympics had never been down a goal. We had always been leading in every single matchup. against everybody who got us here, and until the finals. Wow. So now we open up the finals yesterday against Canada. They scored on us early. Wow. And we were down 1-0 the entire game. Last two minutes, we pull the goalie.

Our goalie is a stud. She's the one who stopped. I mean, she and all of her team, but like, she didn't let any goals get through. I think we had one goal scored on us before yesterday. And then one yesterday. I think two goals this woman gave up, the entire, Olympics. We pull the goalie, and so we can get an extra body on the ice going on offense. And it happened. They scored to get it tied up before the game clock ran out. Now we're in

sudden death overtime. And amazingly, Megan Keller scored the game winning goal. I don't know anything about hockey, but it was so exciting when she did it. I do know the word juke from kids sports. She juked the other player where like, you know, she made him think that her think that she was going left when she was really going right. She got around her. She slapped this puck into the goal in between the goalie's legs. And the defender was spayed out on the ice, like in the ex formation, just like with her head down, realizing she had just missed, you know, such an important moment. Poor girl. But, you know, Stratraveal, sorry for it because we won. Yeah, yeah. And everybody on Twitter was like, an ex was like, oh, there's a filthy goal. That

was a dirty, filthy goal. And I was like, these are Americans who are fans of this. So why do they keep saying, like, they're all using those terms? I actually asked on X, I'm like, why are all these hockey fans using the terms dirty and filthy? And I guess it's a unique hockey thing in particular. Maybe it applies to other sports, but they were saying hockey fans use those terms for like the sickest goals. Oh, so it's like, it's a good thing. Yeah. Okay. There's a compliment. Anyway, and then the crowd went wild and all the girls stormed each other. And It was so joyful. It was like something out of the movies. And here is our team singing the national anthem like a bunch of amazing patriots. And they know the words to their credit. Sorry, but just to contrast that with the U.S. women's soccer team, let's see what they did in the 2023 World Cup. It's not 19.

Nothing. They look like they're at a funeral. It was pregame. I'll get it. them that, but nothing. Half don't even have their hands on their hearts. A bunch of bitter, angry losers. So, hats off to women's hockey for showing the world and women's soccer how it's done. Agreed. And you know, that makes me think of at the Super Bowl, you'll often see at the national anthem. We were just talking about Chris Stapleton, who did one of the greatest national anthem at the Super Bowl ever. I love seeing, like, grown, big, burly men weep at a rendition of that that, like, just really gets in there.

And those are those great unifying moments because sports transcends everything. It doesn't matter how you vote or whatever. Yes. All right. One more moment before we go. Haley Wynn is on our women's team. And they ran such a good package on her and her family. She is the youngest, I think, of four.

She has three older brothers. and these, her older brothers are her biggest fans. They've become complete stands for their younger sister. They go to all of her games. They dress alike. They cheer for her as loud as possible. And they ran the setup package on showing her on skates when she was just like literally a baby. And these boys have been there her whole life encouraging her.

Here's just a little bit of that in the players' tribute. Watch. Go, girl. Go. Get those feet. Get those feet under you. Encourers encouraging her. Go girls.

Hey, Bugs. Hey, Seth. What's up with your brothers? We've watched you on skates before you could even walk and listen to you, talk about your dreams of becoming an Olympian since the first time you were asked. Now you're living it. You continue to impress us daily. We're just so proud of you. Come on, Haley, stick with him!

You deserve everything that's coming. The U.S. Women's Hockey Team deserves everything that's coming to. that's coming to, you've worked so hard, thousands of shots, all the hours in the wait room, all the early mornings, and just everything you've sacrificed. We can't wait to cheer you on as you continue to push for gold. Watching you get to live out your dream is a blessing. No matter the outcome of these games, it doesn't change who you are. You have three older brothers that now look up to you. You will always be our champion. It's so nice. I know we're both crying. I don't cry. Do you cry? I'm not crying. You're crying. I'm not crying. You're crying. I'm not crying. I'm not crying.

I love that. I love, you know, that's the kind, like, I feel like we, that is maybe more of the exception. I would hope it's more of the rule than the exception, but like these older brothers who are doing nothing but cheering her on. No. Not an iota of resentment or like, who do you think you are? Like, you're living your dream. We've seen you in skates before you could walk. I can make it your role it off.

It's so sweet. It reminds me of the saying, which is also sad. Parents leave too soon. children come too late, but your siblings are with me for the whole thing. It's just sweet. They are. They really are. And they're the ones who, you know, and that just made, that just is, is one of the most beautiful things. And you know, that's why that girl can go out there and skate the way she does. Yes. Because she's got that from her brother saying, you just, you're living the dream. You're at the Olympics. It doesn't matter what if, if you medal or not.

Yes. You won. You're a winner. It must be said, again, hats off to good parenting. Whatever those parents did, they nailed it. Creating that sort of sibling support and love. And that girl went out there knowing her life was great no matter what happened at the final buzzer. Like, that is a huge win. It's a win for the family. It's a win for the family. It's a win for humanity. Yes.

And it's a win for her going forward in life because being at the Olympics can't be the best thing that ever happened to her. She is a long life ahead of her, hopefully. And that's got to be a highlight, but it can't be the best. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. She gets to have those brothers with her.

Every Christmas, God willing, and birthdays. And I don't know. It's just like, it's hashtag goals as a parent, yes, but even just as a human, you know, to foster those kinds of relationships in your life. Good for them. God bless the entire team, Haley and the others. Great job. We're so proud of you.

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