The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump Takes On Big Pharma with Historic Drug Prices Exec Order, and Michelle Obama's Bitterness, with Walter Kirn | Ep. 1070

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

Megyn Kelly is joined by Walter Kirn, editor-at-large for "County Highway," to discuss Trump’s historic executive order challenging Big Pharma and outrageous prescription drug prices, how Trump and Bernie Sanders are on the same page based on Bernie's past comments, why other countries in the world are paying reasonable drug prices but the United States has huge upcharges, Big Pharma whining while making billions in profit, why the rest of the world and other countries need to step up now and pay more, how Big Pharma owns so much of the media and political elite, Trump's new potential Air Force One “gift” from Qatar, how the leftist media is using it as a "chew toy" to stay distracted from bigger stories, the market spiking after the Trump administration announced a major temporary trade deal with China, the details of the deal and what it means in the future, Michelle Obama talking about the joys of divorce, her constant negativity about her husband and marriage generally, Halle Berry's inappropriate videos, and more.More from Walter Kirn - https://countyhighway.com/Everglades Foundation: Learn more about President Trump’s Everglades support project at https://www.EvergladesFoundation.orgSimpliSafe: Visit https://simplisafe.com/MEGYN to claim 50% off & your first month free!Hungryroot: https://Hungryroot.com/MK | Get 40% off your first box PLUS a free item in every box for life!Cozy Earth: Visit https://www.CozyEarth.com/MEGYN & Use code MEGYN for up to 40% offFollow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. I hope everyone out there enjoyed their Mother's Day weekend because the news cycle has quickly moved into overdrive. Yes, for those of you who listened to AM Update, you are stuck with me for today's podcast, not my three wonderful children who anchored the AM Update today. If you missed it, you missed a treat. It is still available on all of our podcast feeds and on youtube.com slash Megyn Kelly. More on that in just a bit. It's another day of deals for President Trump. I mean, it's really insane what just happened at the White House, truly. What just happened

with the prescription drugs, it is earth shattering. We're going to talk about it in just a minute. Also, a sort of trade deal with China. We're going to pause the retaliatory tariffs on one another for 90 days while we work it out. But it seems like they have the framework for a deal. And, you know, people like Charles Gasparino, who's been defensive of President Trump saying, look, he had to do this because of the bond markets, because of what was happening. There's just a trade war with China is not winnable, is what he was saying, given our economic status right now, our debt and how much we need to service it and so on. And so his take on why we have this pause with China was we had to.

That smart people went to Trump and said, you've got to stop this. The United States economy cannot handle it. We need them as badly as they need us. And so the White House is sort of saying, see, I'm playing chess and I'm winning. And smart guys like Charles, who doesn't have TDS, he's a Trump fan actually, are saying, look, the reality is this was not a winnable war. So whatever, it's good that it's paused. That's his take for what it's worth. Also, I mentioned this new executive order on prescription drug prices. I'm going to get to that. A deal to release the last American hostage in Gaza. He's got dual citizenship, American and

Israeli, and he's coming home, Trump said he thinks, today. And then there's this issue of an Air Force One gift, which he spoke to, Trump did when he had a presser this morning at 930. We're going to get into all of it. Joining me for the full show today, Walter Kern, editor at large for County Highway and co-host of the America This Week podcast. Since President Trump's election, the eyes of the nation have been on Mar-a-Lago and the free state of Florida. It is a thriving, booming place. South Florida is a special place because of its amazing water for boating, swimming, fishing, and drinking. Well, today, clean water is endangered by toxic algae.

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the Everglades. Learn more about President Trump's Everglades support project at evergladesfoundation.org. Walter, welcome back to the show. Great to have you. Great to be here. Okay, so let's start with this prescription drug thing because this is huge. Like this one's actually really big. Just as a way of history for those who haven't been following this, Trump in his first term tried to take this on, the fact that big pharma won't negotiate with our government, our government

won't negotiate with Big Pharma to protect us on the prices that we have to pay. Trump tried to do it and got sued. He tried to do it just with respect to Medicare. He got sued by Big Pharma and he lost because technically it's Congress's job to negotiate these prices. And so it's a question of constitutional authority. So Big Pharma sued saying you don't have the authority as president to do an end around Congress. And they won because of separations of powers. Big Pharma doesn't give a shit about separation of powers. Big Pharma wants to charge us a lot of money. But they used the Constitution to shut down Trump's effort in term one.

Then comes Joe Biden. OK, so now there was an attempt and this one was successful to make us negotiate on. I think it was first eight and then it was 10 drugs for Medicare only. So the government could negotiate with Big Pharma on these now 10 drugs. That's it out of the universe of drugs. It's not a lot and it's only under Medicare. And now Trump comes in. And by the way, this has always been more of like a Democrat thing and Republicans have more. Well, I mean, they've both been in the pocket of big pharma, to be honest. Both sides are totally in the damn pocket of big pharma. And we don't hate big pharma. Big

pharma comes up with drugs that can help us not die. And they come up with miracle drugs like Ozempic, which is helping a lot of very, very obese people get down to much more healthy weights. So it's not to demonize big pharma, but they're also disgusting. They're disgusting in so many ways. They're absolute pigs when it comes to exploiting, especially the American consumer. And Anna Kasparian, who's with the Young Turks, she's a Democrat. She's a liberal. She's great. She's very reasonable. She's been on this program a number of times. And this has been one of her main issues. She's the one who first got my attention on it, trying to say, what the F? Why aren't we doing this? Why

aren't we as a government more protective of our own people? And why are we allowing big pharma to charge Americans a thousand dollars a month for some drugs that they, the same manufacturers charge people in, in Denmark, $50 a month for. So the same drug, you could be paying $50 for it if you live in Denmark and you could pay a thousand dollars for it if you live in the United States. And do we have Anna cut? Do we, we, um, she was going off on this. Okay. Um, in any event, she was, she was showing the bullet points in particular on, uh, Ozempic. And I realize that's a very popular drug, but you could do this with a lot of other drugs where you go around the world and we,

the suckers in America, are subsidizing the world's cheap use of these drugs. And it's bullshit. She played a soundbite of Bernie Sanders. And as you know, Bernie and Trump kind of are at the horseshoe ends of the same ideological spectrum. Trump got there from the right, Bernie got there from the left, and they wound up kind of close to each other on a number of issues. And the crossover amongst fans is kind of interesting with those two. She played this Bernie soundbite where he was asked, because he's been pushing for the ability for us to negotiate on drug costs for a while, where he was asked by an MSNBC anchor about it. Watch. Why does Nova Nordis, in your opinion, charge so much more for Americans to get this drug?

I know exactly why, and so does everybody else. Throughout the entire world, there are national health programs, which, by the way, in most cases guarantee health care to all of their people. And they sit down and they negotiate with the drug companies. And they say, you know what, you can't charge us any price you want. Let's sit down and talk about a reasonable price. Here in the United States, until last year, you had the insane situation where the drug companies could charge any price they wanted for any reason. Second of all, let's not kid ourselves. The pharmaceutical industry is enormously powerful. They have over 1,800 well-paid lobbyists in Washington, D.C. right now, former leaders of the Republican Party,

the Democratic Party. They're very nonpartisan. They will give money to anybody. Okay, here's just to put some more meat on those bones, Walter. She was showing a map that she, that was from the MSNBC segment with Bernie on this, just for the example, Ozempic, that costs about $1,000 per month in the United States before insurance. In Canada, it goes for $147, $59 in Germany, $96 in Sweden, $103 in the Netherlands, $144 in Switzerland, $83 in France. Why do the Americans have to pay $1,000 for the exact same drug that she points out can be manufactured for less than $5 a month per a study performed by Yale and King's College Hospital in London? This is what Trump is trying to get at with this

extraordinary executive order. He now says on all drugs, not just Medicare, we're going to start negotiating. We're not going to be the world's piggy bank where they make all their money in the United States and then sell it cheaply to everybody else. And that he says this could save people up to 80% on their drug costs. Number one, there's likely to be another lawsuit by Big Pharma saying this is an inappropriate end around Congress. And number two, it'll be really interesting to see how the Democrats react to Donald Trump pushing this kind of Bernie-blessed program when it comes to pharmaceuticals. There you go. You take it, Walter. Is this a country of politics or a country of issues? Because in this case, Bernie and Trump agree. And Bernie has been loud on this matter for a long

time. He should get his butt over to the White House and show some solidarity on this because they're going to need it against the greatest lobby in American life next to the, I suppose, military-industrial complex. The fact is that drugs like Zempik, and this one in particular, are not that complex. It's a peptide called semaglutide. It can be bought cheaply as the peptide itself. In its patented drug form, it's made more expensive. But the excuse that the U.S. has to pay higher prices, vastly higher prices, in order to subsidize the research and development of these drugs so that the rest of the world can benefit from lower prices is ridiculous. But it has been the fig leaf, the massive fig leaf that they have used to cover their profiteering for decades.

Really, under Obamacare, there was a real conspicuous omission because the supposed aim of the bill, of the legislation, was to lower prices for American health care. But it did not include negotiation with drug companies for, you know, lower prices. Everybody noticed that at the time, that carve out, as it were. And now Trump's ending it. And frankly, this is a this is a demolition job on mere partisanship, because just as you quoted the Young Turks person, if we can't get together on this, then we can't get together on anything. Yes. So it's what's been happening in Congress is they're bought and paid for. I mean, that's really the bottom line. Big Pharma, as the audience knows and experienced firsthand during covid with Pfizer, is it owns the U.S. Congress. They make tons of money and then they buy congressmen and women

so that they won't do anything to change the piggy bank system. And they don't. Neither side is innocent. Megan, you and I both attended the RFK Jr. confirmation hearings, I happen to know. I was only one row away from you. And I think we saw there both Bernie and Elizabeth Warren hectoring the man who wanted to pressure big pharma and challenge them on all sorts of fronts, from the effectiveness of their drugs to testing drugs like the vaccines and so on, and prices. And they were acting like they were lawyers for Pfizer. Well, everybody's a lawyer for Pfizer if they're getting paid by them. And I'm afraid Bernie, you know, he makes it a little complicated. He gets a lot of money from them. He gets it from their employees and he claims that he gets it, you know, one little bit at a time and it doesn't represent

management contributing to his cause. But he, he, it's a massive set of donations to him and to the Democrats. And, uh, he can prove his independence if he'd like by coming together with Trump. Uh, and if they think there are some problems with this executive order or the particular way that it's going to happen, that's fine. But the principle has been agreed on, as you say, by the horseshoe for a while. So it's time to do something for the American people. We must transcend TDS in certain cases. I wish we did in most cases or all, but if we can't do it here, I don't know where we're going to start. Yeah. Yeah. So so Bernie is there. You know, he's in Congress, obviously, as a sitting U.S. senator. But good luck convincing your fellow congressmen to actually do this once and for all.

And that's the reason why Trump tried to do an end around the do nothing Congress, because he's he isn't bought and paid for by Big Pharma, but failed because the court said, sorry, sir, this is not within your remit. But today, Trump spoke to that. At the end, he had a presser at 930 talking about this and the Chinese deal. And it was at this presser that he signed the executive order, and he had his health team with him, Jay Bhattacharya of NIH, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. of HHS, Mehmet Oz of Medicare. Obviously, he's going to be involved in this too. And I think Marty McCary was there of FDA. So Trump got up there and said, basically, I dare you, I dare you now, Democrats in Congress, to defy me on this. So Trump seems pretty clear. I'm sure he's been told you tried this in Trump 1.0 and you got sued successfully as you know, you don't have this executive power

because once again, he's using executive power, which is probably going to get stopped by a court just as soon as big pharma files a lawsuit. But Trump's already baking that in saying, I dare the Democrats in Congress to not pass this in the big, beautiful bill that they're working on right now. The, you know, the, the big money bill that's going to raise taxes or lower taxes or whatever. They're working it out because he said, how are you going to look at your constituents and say, you've, you finally had the chance in legislation that would have Republican support in the Congress and the support of the sitting president ready to sign it to finally give the government this power to negotiate on the drug prices. And you refused to do it, which is very clever to put this in the big, beautiful bill and frame it that way. Well, it's not only clever, it's absolutely essential in a time of budget cutting, particularly to do something like this,

because the biggest client, the biggest patient in the United States, so to speak, is the United States government. It's the taxpayer who pays for these drugs in so many cases, you know, through all kinds of programs. And it's going to save us collectively a lot of money and individually, you know, untold amount of money in family budgets. I just think that it was time that Trump really held their feet to the fire on the social issues and the populist programs that they claim to support. And I think it's a masterstroke. I did a little reporting on it last night. They've kept it very close. We were all taken by surprise. I'm shocked that it didn't leak. And pharma's counterattack is going to be interesting because

it will be somewhat deceptive. Already, they're trying to argue that somehow this is a blow against the third world, which will no longer have the benefit of our subsidized drug research. And I've even seen people say, well, they're trying to solve immigration by killing all the people that would immigrate here. I mean, it's going to be hysterical like you haven't seen. Meanwhile, it's like the Democrats are the ones who claim that they've been for this, you know, so let's let's see. I mean, Robert Kennedy, RFK, Jake got out there today and was he seemed genuinely stunned. I mean, he knew it was coming, obviously, but he I think even he didn't have hopes this high that Trump would do something like this. Here he was earlier

this morning, Sut, too. This was the fulcrum of Bernie Sanders runs for presidency that he was going to eliminate this discrepancy. And it's one of these promises that politicians make to their constituents, knowing that they'll never have to do it. Because they know that Congress is controlled in so many ways by the pharmaceutical industry. Because we now have a president who is a man of his word, who has the courage. President Trump was taking money from the pharmaceutical industry, too. I think they gave you $100 million. But he can't be bought. There's writers like Lord Elizabeth Warren or Robert Reich who are saying that President Trump is on this side of

the oligarchs. There has never been a president more willing to stand up to the oligarchs. I never thought that this would happen in my lifetime. I have a couple of kids who are Democrats, are big Bernie Sanders fans. And when I told them that this was going to happen, they had tears in their eyes. Wow. Frankly, I have tears in my eyes, not this moment, but I did because I'll tell you why. The price of drugs, especially drugs that are for limited or sort of small diseases that don't create a big market, you know, where the cost can't be spread across a lot of patients, can be absolutely ruinous. You say $1,000 a prescription. Let's talk $200,000. I mean, there are drugs for things like hepatitis and for various cancers and so on

that are shocking. There are Rolls Royce. And we're going to change lives here. We're going to prevent families from going into bankruptcy. We're going to cut the budget. And lastly, there has been talk about pharma ads on TV. It is not just Congress that pharma controls, Megan. It's MSNBC and CNN and Fox and the other cable news networks that we're all familiar with through carrying about 70% of the weight with their advertising in some cases. Now, that influence totally deformed our COVID response and maybe guided it to some extent, whatever is not going to be poured into these influence operations going forward, except in the short term, because there's no way they want this to come to pass. That's right. So he, the executive order, I'll just read a bit from the beginning of it. He says, it says purpose. The U.S. has less than 5% of the world's population and yet funds around three quarters of global pharmaceutical profits. This egregious imbalance is orchestrated through a purposeful scheme in which drug manufacturers deeply discount their products to access foreign markets and subsidize that decrease through enormously high prices in the USA.

The U.S. has for too long turned its back on Americans, who unwittingly sponsor both drug manufacturers and other countries. These entities today rely on price markups on American consumers, generous public subsidies for research and development, primarily through the NIH, and robust public financing of prescription drug consumption through the federal and state health care programs. Drug manufacturers, rather than seeking to equalize evident price discrimination, agree to other countries' demands for low prices and simultaneously fight against the ability for public and private payers in the U.S. to negotiate the best prices for patients. The inflated prices in the U.S. fuel global

innovation while foreign health systems get a free ride. This abuse of Americans' generosity, who deserve low-cost pharmaceuticals on the same terms as other developed nations, must end. Americans will no longer be forced to pay almost three times more for the exact same medications often made in the exact same factories. As the largest purchaser of pharmaceuticals, Americans should get the best deal. And while I need to pour over this thing more closely, because it's several pages long, single spaced and pretty dense. He's saying that he's addressing, uh, Kennedy and Medicare, which would be Dr. Oz to negotiate with the drug company saying, you better give us, you know, like if you're going to, again, just, just to stay on the

Ozempic cause it's easy to understand. Okay. You're charging Germans $59 for that drug. Cause this is by, um, Novo Nordisk, which is a company from Denmark. Okay. Novo you're charging, uh, Germans $59 for this medication and you're charging Americans 1000. It's a no. And to start the negotiation with them directly, like we are not going to allow you to pay to charge that in the United States. And then this thing also says, and if you cannot reach a new agreement, then there's going to be basically a price set by the United States without your buy-in. That's what his executive order says. Like, we'll try to work it out with you. If you don't want to strike a deal, we'll just do it. So it's in your interest to strike a deal with us. Again,

this will be subject to a legal challenge. Go ahead, Walter. Well, here's a case of a non-American company, a Danish company that's stiffing the United States, but not the country next door, Germany. Why is that? It's because they're not poor and developing. They've got plenty of money. Well, but Megan, they have been acting poor and developing almost since World War II. And for a while they were, they were devastated by war, you know, for several decades and trying to get back on their feet. But the truth is we have been subsidizing European socialized medical programs. In other words, and in so many ways, we've been doing that. Our military payments and our undue support of NATO has allowed them to not have militaries of their own and pour money into social programs. The social programs

themselves have been subsidized in ways like this, where they negotiate, they get good prices from companies, and we don't. In other words, we're carrying the weight for the world. And this, in this case, has nothing to do with development. The recent certain development isn't going on in the United States. We're simply paying for it. Now, how they got that deal and through what influence is, you know, something we should investigate later, but that it should go on is something we need to deal with yesterday. Yeah. Okay. So staying on the weight loss drug, cause it's just easy to understand. Um, no vote. So the, the defense by big pharma is always we we spend so much money on research and development. You know, like you can't start pinching us on the profits because they go not only to just, you know, our bottom line, but they are a reward for the billions in R&D that went into developing these drugs. And they can still have their profits, Megan. It's just that the subsidies for them will be more evenly distributed between countries and customers. That's right. Okay. So here's what they say, that Novo Nordisk, they declined to provide

production costs for Ozempic and its weight loss drug counterpart, Wegovi. But the Danish drug maker noted that it spent almost $5 billion on R&D last year and will spend more than $6 billion on a recent deal to boost manufacturing to meet the demand for these drugs. So they're crying that they have to manufacture. It's in such demand that they have to pay $6 billion to develop even more of it. No one's crying any tears for you over that. But they're crying about the $5 billion that it even more of it. No one's crying any tears for you over that. And they're, but they're crying about the 5 billion that they took to develop it. However, their profits for 2023 and 2024 equal, uh, no, no, for one year, it's one year, one year operating profit. I think it was either 2023 or 2024, was equivalent to $15 billion US dollars, their largest profit

since 1989. So they profited in one year, $15 billion, largely off of that drug. And they want us to cry and pay $1,000 a month because it cost them $5 billion to develop it. It all has to fall on the Americans. And we're supposed to feel sorry for the drug company that's only going to net what, like eight billion instead of 15 billion if they charge us a fair price versus everybody else. Listen, I don't understand why they're still paying development costs and research costs on a drug that they've already developed, and frankly, which is a rather simple substance compound. And as far as, you know, manufacturing and gearing up to make more of it because of overwhelming demand, well, what other industry tells you that

in order for us to gear up to meet the demand, we need crazy, almost unlimited ability to charge you. If Ford had a hit car and it said, we've got to build new factories to turn out the number of cars that people want to buy, and we've got to keep those prices really high in order to do that, that's the opposite of what I just heard. Isn't there something called economies of scale? The more you sell them, the cheaper and the more you have to make the cheaper of, uh, it is to manage, manufacture each unit. Yes.

So here's Dr. Jay Bhattacharya talking about how they, they're not anti-drug company. You know, they understand it's an important industry in the United States and to the American people. And he runs NIH. Here's what he had to say. What we're going to do is make sure that those prices become much closer to equal, like a competitive market you'd expect.

Right now what's happening is the American people are subsidizing in large fraction the research and development efforts for drug companies around the world by the higher prices that we pay. With this new order, Europe will share the burden of that. And in fact, if you may think of it as like somehow it's going after companies. Actually, it's helping drug companies, because what we're also going to do with this order, what President Trump has done with this order is he's said to European governments, look, if you are taking advantage of the drug companies by forcing them to charge very, very low prices and not pay at least the American drug drug companies a fair price for the drugs, then I don't know what Trump's going to do. Tariff them. He's going to do something to try to exact a penalty on these countries that have deep pockets, but have been grifting off of

us for too long. And that's why I was watching CNBC this morning, something I very rarely do. And, um, this, the big pharma stocks were down. Then Trump held his presser and immediately they all started to climb because I think they heard that there is some measure of comfort being built in there, at least for the American big pharma companies. Let me launch a rather elaborate metaphor, but a colorful one. The United States is like a member of a family who hits it big in Hollywood. And they suddenly become rich and they have a big house and, you know, money coming in. And all of a sudden, all the relatives say, hey, man, can you help me with my car payment? Hey, my son just got sick. Can you help with his hospital bills?

And then after a while, that arrangement becomes institutionalized. Meanwhile, all the greedy relatives are doing quite well. But they decide we have to cry poor in order to keep living off our movie star cousin. At this point, the movie star is about to lose his mansion. He's mortgaged it 10 times and he's got problems of his own and it's time for the rest of the family to step up. If we go down to paying 400 per dose and they go up from 90 to paying 400, the pharmaceutical company actually hasn't lost. It can go do its precious development and

research all day long. But what's happened is that there is once again some sort of fairness in the family. I love that. That is so good. I've got it that I love that analogies. They help me understand. Here's Trump trying to explain the weight loss drug disparity because that one is just so obvious. And in a way that only Trump can take a listen to that one. I mean, I'll tell you a story. A friend of mine who's a businessman, very, very, very top guy. Most of you would have heard of him. Highly neurotic, brilliant businessman, seriously overweight. And he takes the fat shot drug. And he called me up and he said, President, he calls me, he used to call me Donald.

Now he calls me President. So that's nice respect. But he's a rough guy, smart guy. Very successful. Very rich. I wouldn't even know how we would know this very fat comment said president could i ask you a question what i'm in london and i just paid for this damn fat drug i take i said it's not working he said he said i just paid 88 and in in New York I paid $1,300. What the hell is going on?

So only Trump, only Trump, Walter. Is he going to go on Broadway after he finishes his presidency? Because I saw, I saw Jackie Mason on Broadway back when, and he had nothing on Trump. This story, but this storytelling side of him is really effective. Just like I just tried to use a colorful story to explain things. Trump, from no tax on tips to other policies, often seems to come to his brilliant, controversial, outrageous ideas by talking to people who are affected by the policies. Yes. Oh, my Lord, what a revolutionary way to do politics and to research policy, not go through a $10 billion think tank,

but ask the waitress if she gets to tax too much on her tips. That's right. Or ask his very fat friend who's on the fat drug, the fat shot. He's on the fat shot. What I love is that embedded in that, Megan, is he took a shot at the drug itself. He said, it's not working. It's not working. It's so amazing. So here's the other thing. Now, it's going to be very interesting this week to see how this plays out, because this is not one of those things that the sides are going to immediately know, you know, the sides that don't think for themselves how to handle it. Right. It's like normally it's like, well, the Republicans are against quote price controls, which Trump denies that that's what this is. And so they would normally bash somebody in this position. They would definitely bash a Bernie

Sanders type, but it's Trump. So what are they going to do? And then the Democrats would normally be in favor of something like Bernie Sanders. How will he go over to the White House? Will he say, I applaud him and I applaud this? Or will his TDS win out where like he just can't support this because it was suggested by Trump? And same for the media, right? The media should like this because they're left-leaning. They should want something like this. But not only is it Trump, but they are controlled by big pharma. That's who's paying all of their million dollar salaries. Just give you one example. Who could forget Stephen Colbert during the COVID nightmare with this little bit on his show? He's dancing with people dressed like the shot. And tons of little cartoon shots

and a graphic that reads, the vaxxed, the A-X, seen, S-C-E-N-E. And he's dancing like that. Oh my God. Okay, I've seen enough.

And he should be dancing because they made him a very rich man. That's a cross between cabaret and the Hunger Games, what we just saw there. That is truly a man singing for his supper. And his supper is provided by Pfizer. And if you go over to the actual news channels right up in the corner, it will say sponsored by Pfizer. You know, the COVID death count sponsored by Pfizer.

Anderson Cooper is not going to like this. Rachel Maddow is not going to like this. None of those people. But they're going to have to be very creative in finding a way to question it or oppose it. So I make a prediction. At first, they'll try to have their cake and eat it, too. They'll applaud the sentiment, the goal, the idea in general, but they'll tell us the execution is terrible and is going to lead to disastrous consequences for the very poorest

among us. I mean, especially they'll set the damage in places you and I won't ever go, you know, East Africa and so on, and tell us over there it's just, you know, wreaking devastation. But the fact is that finally they're going to have to come down on one side or the other, especially the politicians. And they're going to come down on farmer's side if that's who's supporting them. I mean, this is, this is a kill shot against the rhetorical hypocrisy of Democrats and Republicans who always can be for something that will never happen. It's easy to be for lower drug prices when you happen to know from the meetings back at your office with the Merck president that it's never going to happen. Now it happened. Big Pharma hasn't said anything yet. They've been quiet all morning. I'm sure they're getting their next move in line.

And I think it's going to be clothing themselves in patriotism. This is very sad, but it's beyond the president's authority, and we believe in separation of powers. And he just can't do this. We've already obtained a court decision saying this is outside of his power. So sadly, we're going to have to sue him again. We'd love to lower prices for Americans, but the Constitution won't allow us, so just shoot me.

It's not going to work this time. This is a slightly different deal too, Megan. This isn't exactly what he tried before. This has to do with, uh, other organizations that set drug prices, these, uh, these intermediaries that raise, that raise the price. Um, it's a little bit subtler and a better, and it's more, um, gamed out than it was before. I think you're right. They definitely learned from Trump point, point. Oh, we've seen that on the immigration front and have no reason to doubt it on this

front as well. So it'll be really fun over the next coming days to watch where things settle. Okay. Let's talk about the Trump plane, which is interesting. Now, this one is also a little complicated. Um, if, if you listen to AM update, you know about this story because, um, the Kelly Brunt children told you all about it. Let me just explain what that means. Uh, for mother's day, my three children read my script for AM update, the morning news headline podcast that we put out on our feed. It's a 15 minute news update to get you started in case you guys have not yet listened to it. I think you'd enjoy it. And I think you'd especially enjoy it today where the three

children, Yates, 15, Yardley, 14, and Thatcher, 11, read the news of the day. I edited the script along with my producer, Julia, and then they tracked it. And it was so fun. They did it so that I wouldn't have to do it. Although truth be told, I was there for most of their tracking and we had so much fun. It was hilarious. And we decided for people who listened to it and loved it because the feedback's been so fun online. Thank you all for commenting that it might be fun to play some of the outtakes, some of the bloopers, including the moment you will hear it here where a bee invaded the studio and there was an errant attempt to kill it while it was still flying, which, you know, never really works out. But take a listen to some of the outtakes here. Good morning, everyone. Hold on. It's kind of late. I'll do it.

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Since being chosen to head the Catholic Church, the Pope calling for peace around the world, saying we are facing the tragedy of a, quote, third world... Bruh. You can just pick it up with and on all. And on all podcast platforms. Good job.

Yates, can you not do that? So they're normal kids. There's some back and forth and they had a couple of stumbles, but not many. My favorite, it didn't make the reel, but it was when my little guy was reading a story about the Pope and said something like the papal vestments. We redid it and did papal. But he, I'll tell you, they nailed it. They understood the pronunciations and I was very proud of them and I appreciated their sweet, one of their Mother's Day gifts. They also gave me a baseball cap that reads Gulf of America right on and a a big cozy like snuggie because I'm always cold, and also a mug that reads astronaut, which they understand I am,

and listeners of the show know what I mean. So that's a been offered a $400 million 747 by the Qataris. And the thing looks sick. I have to say the pictures online make it look like spectacular. I mean, it's so wide. I'm like, can this thing fly? The living room and it looks like something out of a skyscraper living room, which I guess this is the ultimate skyscraper. Yeah, here's some of the pictures. Trump went and took a look at this jet and it was to his liking apparently and says, I'd love it. Now, at first, that does sound terrible that our president will be taking a $400 million gift from the Qataris because there is something under the constitution called the emoluments clause. And we're not allowed, any official

in a position of public trust is not allowed to take a gift. They're really, they're not allowed to. But Pam Bondi has said he can get around that because this isn't a gift to Trump. It's a gift to our Pentagon. And then when the refurbished Air Force Ones that Boeing has been working on for 10 years are finally done 10 years from now, this Qatari plane will be gifted to the Trump presidential library. So it's not a gift and an emolument, which is that's when you perform a service for a fee. Sure. Pambani saying that's not this because he's not performing any service for the Qataris. This is a gift. So and it doesn't and it's not to a person.

Anyway, this is going to be a fight legally. Someone's going to file lawsuits and the Qataris are saying it's not yet settled. Both sides, legal departments are looking into whether this can fly, so to speak. But Trump's Trump's bitching about it. And today was like pissed because he's like they're offering a 400 million dollar expense that we would otherwise have to pay. Air Force One is a mess. We have two planes that are Air Force One. In my first term, I went to Boeing and said, here are billions of dollars for you to fix these planes, which are 40 years old, Trump says. And not only does Trump win again, multiple years later, and they're still not done, but again, they are projected to be done no sooner than 2035, which would be 20 years after Trump contracted with Boeing to redo them.

Here is a little bit of Trump explaining it today in Stop 5. And I think this was just a gesture of good faith. And I don't get it. Someday it'll be like Ronald Reagan. They decommissioned them. You know, they get to a certain age, they decommission them. It'll go to my library. They're talking about going to my library in years out. But I thought it was a great gesture. And it's something that was done by Ronald Reagan. They actually decommissioned the plane and he put it in his library. And it actually has made the library, I think a Boeing 707, it's actually made the library

more successful. So it was good. Do you plan to use the plane after you leave office? No, I don't know. It would go directly to the library after I leave office. I wouldn't be using. Now, that's an important addendum that we didn't know yesterday that he doesn't plan on using it for personal use after he leaves office, which does support the argument that it's a gift to America, not to Trump per Pam Bondi's logic. And I'll just give you one more Walter. Here's Trump trying to explain how stupid his critics are on this particular issue. Sat, uh, five B. I could say, no, no, no, don't give us, I want to pay you a billion or 400 million or whatever it is. Or I could say, thank you very

much. You know, there was an old golfer named Sam Snead. Did you ever hear him? He won 82 tournaments. He was a great golfer. And he had a motto. When they give you a putt, you say, thank you very much. You pick up your ball and you walk to the next hole. A lot of people are stupid. They say, no, no, I insist on putting it. Then they put it, they miss it. And their partner gets angry at him. You know what? Remember that Sam Snead, when they give you a putt, you pick it up and you walk to the next hole and you say, thank you very much. So what do you make of it? Because I should say, sorry, one other thing. I should say a lot of conservative blowback against the president, even from non-Trump derangement syndrome people saying this is not good. We should not be taking gifts from the Qataris

who are not the best people. Do they not yet know how Trump works? Have they not yet cracked his algorithm? Every week, every few days, in case we run out-issue, which causes total distraction while he does something like end a war. Now, we'll be talking about this Qatari plane all week, I can tell you. And by the end of the week, we'll find out that the Ukraine-Russia war ended or something while we were on our, you know, slobbering over our chew toy. But, you know, so in a way, it doesn't matter the specifics, because they're always outrageous. To be a chew toy, it has to sort of be borderline bad taste. And is it legal? And is it constitutional? And in some ways, it has to be gauche, too, because it's Donald Trump, right? I mean, the plane has to be over the top. People will be looking at, oh my Lord, solid gold toilet paper holders. Yeah. First of all, he's going

to guarantee more attendance at his library if he gets that thing parked in back than any other president in history. He may also not have to build a whole wing on it. It's a 747. People will just use that. That could be the library. It could be the library. But it gets us talking about issues that, in a weird way, in the same way, remember how he did an AI or somebody did of him dressed as the Pope a week before we got an American Pope? And it got us talking about the Pope and thinking about it in all sorts of ways. And just because that was the chew toy that week was that AI of the Pope. And then it gets us ready for the main course. Now, Gutter, whose name I can never pronounce.

I know, no one can. You know, it's going to be in the news and part of a lot of negotiations probably coming up. It's for better or for worse, a power player in the Middle East than in the United States. And suddenly we know who it is. We know what gutter is. Most Americans without this plane wouldn't, they still can't place it on a map and they still can't pronounce it. Look at me. But at least they're aware it exists. Yeah. And they're aware it exists. Yeah, and they're aware it exists suddenly. How interesting is that, Megan?

I'll make a prediction. Two weeks from now, for reasons other than the plane, gutter will be in the news, but Americans will already recognize that they're talking about a country when they hear that. Well, we'll see whether anybody actually tries to sue, to stop it. I don't know. You know, my main concern would be,

can we please make sure that there are absolutely no listening devices or other things left on board that plane? Because this is our president, our national security officials in the air. Like, we definitely don't trust Qatar. I mean, definitely do not. We cannot. And Megan, that's what I first thought too. What he's really doing is he's trolling

Boeing. You can't finish your damn planes. And he just trolled Boeing in the past. You can't get your astronauts down off your space stations. They're a mess. Why do we have to keep bailing you out? This is really aimed at Boeing. There should be a massive class action lawsuit against Boeing by the United States people, by the American people, for all the money we've given them to get what? Nothing, according to Trump, and nothing for another 10 years on top of it? This is actually an epic fail. You get tasked by the federal government to refurbish two existing planes and you still can't do it. I mean, it's absolutely disgusting. They're apparently way over budget and way behind the deadline. What a shock. Okay, so that's Qatar,

gutter, whatever. You guys got it. There is a lot going on, though. I mean, we kind of sort of stopped the budding war between India and Pakistan. We kind of sort of reached a deal with China to stand down on the tariffs. We're bringing home an American hostage. And yes, the media is very focused on this chew toy. More with Walter right after this. Securing a home with SimpliSafe is one of the easiest and most important decisions you can make. Arming the system ensures that your family and possessions are protected. Whether stepping out for the day or settling in for the night, this small action delivers something priceless, peace of mind. SimpliSafe provides protection in a crisis. With SimpliSafe, millions of Americans enjoy the new standard in home security and

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editor at large of County Highway. That's really, that underlines the problem, does it not? They own everyone, not us, not you, but in media, 99% of media is getting paid by Pfizer. And that's just one of them. That's just one drug company. That was like a satire, like Running Man or something like that, you know, where they have everybody in the game show where they, you know, somebody dies brought to you by Pfizer and not just by Pfizer, because I always look at the subliminal message brought to you by the oval blue pill that Pfizer is famous for Viagra. I mean, in other words, that that's the subtle message there.

Pfizer helping America, you know, get it on. But I mean, that is a helpful drug, I'm sure like that. And their weight loss drug. And I'm sure there are a lot of other Pfizer drugs that are helpful. It's just, they shouldn't own our politicians or our media. Well, here's the thing. It's been pointed out that pharmaceutical advertising isn't really to the customer

because you and I can't go out and buy those things, can we? We have to go through a doctor. Those are influence ads. Those are ads meant to own the media so that in the general flow of events and issues, Pfizer's lobbying and Pfizer's agenda are at the top of the news. That's exactly right. It's really, it's bad. One other follow-up to our discussion on the fat drug.

What do you call it? The fat shot? The fat drug shot? The fat shot. Jason Calacanis, J-Cal of the All In podcast, he comes on this show and is very funny. He tweeted out in response to that soundbite I played where Trump was like, I talked to my fat friend and investor, he's made a lot of money about the fat drug. And Jason retweeted it saying, Mr. President, this was a private conversation. Next time, check with me first. Well, I thought he was talking about Pritzker the whole time.

Me too. That's what I was picturing. Yes, exactly. Well, Trump has that magical ability to put pictures in your head, even if they're not the ones that are intended. That's so true. Like when he said it didn't work and he took sort of shots at it and he said his friend's neurotic, he painted a picture that's just indelible. And I don't think America now has a better comedian, salesman, troll, and politician than Donald Trump. He's taken all four hats. Yeah. So by the way, then Debbie Murphy, my producer, told me Jason Calacanis used to be heavy and apparently first became famous ish for becoming a weight loss blogger. Uh, they said that in 2007, in 2007, he was credited with starting an internet trend after

he called fat blogging that he called fat blogging after being fed up with being overweight via the LA times in 2007. Uh, they said about 10,000 people visit his website each day to read his business ideas, musing on tech and potshots at rival entrepreneurs. Then he pulled an Oprah on his audience and became the guru to a budding movement of fat bloggers. He decided he was fed up. He used to be a spelt 165 pounds and then ballooned to 207 after working night and day at his desk. And, uh, as he lost the money, the weight, he, he, uh, blogged about it. So it's a, it's a funny joke. It wasn't actually him cause he's slim now, but very funny. Okay. Um, moving on the China deal. I do think this is interesting. I don't know whether this is a win or a loss. I don't, I haven't understood the tariffs from the

moment Trump started them, but I just want to tell the audience, this is what he's announcing today. He has said that the reciprocal tariff, this is Scott Besson who announced it. The reciprocal tariff on China, where we jacked ours up to 125 and then they jacked theirs up on us to 125 for all goods, is now going to 10%. Beijing is going to cut its retaliatory levies on U.S. goods to 10% too. So we're both going from 125 to 10%. A separate 20% tariff that Trump imposed for China's role in the fentanyl problem will remain. We're not removing that. And that's good because fentanyl is a scourge on our nation. U S said the reductions will last for 90 days while the talks continue. Wall Street Journal pointing out, of course, this tariff rate is still much higher than when Trump took Trump took office where it was 11%. And now if you do 10% plus the 20,

it's at 30, but they're saying overall, if you factor in all those sort of increases for this, that or the other, it's about 39% right now, according to the Citibank team. So it's higher. We're definitely charging more for Chinese goods to come into this country. But Besant says the consensus as the U.S. met with China over the weekend was that we will reach a fuller trade agreement that, quote, neither side wants a decoupling. Stocks are surging all over the board now. In response to this, the market's thrilled. And I'll just read you what Charlie Gasparino said,

because I trust him. He does not hate Trump at all and has been defending him on most things. He's the business reporter, senior business reporter at Fox. Every major trader slash investor I spoke to today said markets are ripping, not because Trump crafted some great new art of the deal with China on trade. Rather, we're back to square one with the country and kicking the tariff war can down the road. That averts stagflation in the short term

and maybe longer if we get a deal after 90 days. Yes, markets love trade capitulation. And he went on to say that Trump was really forced to do this. I mean, he went on to say it's like it had to happen. The markets were just too bad. The bond market in particular, there was no way for him to keep this rolling and that Trump promised a lot. But the truth is the bond market in particular responded so negatively to this war with China that we had to wave the white flag and China had to wait for the white flag. And there's a lot of white flag waving that Trump's going to take

credit for. But I think the idea is he created the problem and now he's solving the problem. But like, does he get credit for solving the problem he created? Others are saying, no, something had to be done about this and getting the world's attention on this trade imbalance and what China's been doing is a win in and of itself. I don't know. Any thoughts on tariffs? Well, if I don't have any thoughts on tariffs, that means I'm the only person in America who doesn't because we had more experts grow up overnight on tariffs than almost any other issue in my lifetime. So you were humble enough to say, I don't understand what this has all been

about since the beginning. I sort of understand it. My job is to educate myself on these things. And I'll say this. Have you ever negotiated anything? Of course you have, Megan. You've negotiated salaries, you've negotiated contracts, no, it's going to break down. This is going to destroy everything. I won't get a book published at all. Oh, I won't get in the movie if I play too tough. But negotiations are the beginning of a game and a rough game when it involves China and the U.S. and trillions of dollars. That we're doing it at all is a plus. That we're examining this at all is a plus, you know, that we're examining this at all, that we're at the table, that we're playing this rather rough, you know, contest, I think is good. Number two, both Trump and China have one thing in common. They like to save face. It's thought to be a perennial feature of certain Asian cultures that saving face is almost more important than actually winning things. And in Trump's case, being able to brag and thump his chest and beat Donald Trump is also very important. So you've got two very proud and very vain partners in this negotiation who are finding a way for each other to save face, but they both have real

objectives. On Trump's part, he wants to bring back manufacturing to some extent. He wants to reduce this trade deficit. And he wants to kind of bring back especially very vital industries, chip making, various defense technologies, and so on. I think we're closer to getting those things than we were before. And you said both sides are waving the white flag. Well, that's logically impossible. You can't have double surrender. Well, can I just say this? Another tweet from Charles said, breaking economists still trying to figure out what concessions on trade China agreed to.

He said, I know this sounds sarcastic, but it's true. Megan, it was only years after the Cuban Missile Crisis that we found out that Kennedy made a deal with the Russians to withdraw missiles from Turkey. The Cuban Missile Crisis for many years was portrayed as a total American win. We backed down the Soviet Union and they took their missiles out of Cuba. We later found out that we made a huge concession in order to get that. So the thought that we can look behind the curtain and know who's won what and who's getting what and where it's leading at this early date is folly. Uh, but I think it's important for both sides that the things that they do concede,

they're not embarrassed by. No, I haven't. That's, that's clear. He goes on to say this. I think that this is another, a good one from Charlie and it makes some sense to me. Uh, this is from this morning breaking in talking to sources who run small businesses, the pause with China came just as their companies, I think he's talking about American companies, were on the precipice of disaster since they sourced so much of their material from China and the containers coming from China

were coming back empty. If you want to know why we were as desperate for a deal as the Chinese, it's because small businesses, a key MAGA constituency was about to get crushed. So I guess, you know, time will tell, uh, where, whether this was a good idea or a bad idea, but a, a reset, uh, seemed in order because the trade disparities were pretty severe between us and many other countries. And I know we're not supposed to care. It's not supposed to be a thing.

But the other thing is, if Trump really wanted to use tariffs to raise money, which was one of the debates, is he just doing this to raise money? Or does he actually want to fix trade disparities? I'd like to see the receipts on it, right? Have we? Trump keeps saying that we've earned all sorts of money. We've made all sorts of money on these. I'd love to see the accounting on it. I've seen some of it, whether it's accurate or not. And it's pretty modest given the voracious needs of the U.S. Treasury, you know, and spending. It's not something that's going to replace the income tax, certainly tomorrow. But at the same time, the principle of raising money off of people who want to trade with us and just as in the drug pharmaceutical drug issue, creating a little bit more of a level playing field after years of what Trump contends is being taken advantage of.

You can be content with marginal gains if you're moving in the right directions. And also, this negotiation isn't over. It'll probably be going on in some fashion for the first half of his administration. Okay, so let's keep going. There was this big skirmish over the weekend in Newark at an ICE facility where federal officials arrested Roz Bakara, the Democratic mayor of Newark and a candidate for governor in New Jersey, after a confrontation that also involved three members of Congress at a new immigration detention facility in Newark. They went there. They say we were just innocently there. We just wanted to take a look at the facility. That's part of our oversight responsibilities. And it resulted in ICE officials trying to stop them. A confrontation ensued. You can see them getting aggressive. And I mean, what looks like an assault? I don't know. It looks like pretty aggressive behavior by the lawmakers. They say like pretty aggressive behavior by the lawmakers.

They say it was aggressive behavior by the ICE officers. In any event, now the Democratic mayor of Newark has been arrested and Democrats are freaking out, including AOC, who came out and spoke to this today. I think we have the AOC side, do we? DHS is allegedly looking into arresting members of Congress who were showing up for their legal and constitutional obligation to conduct oversight. If anyone's breaking the law in this situation, it's not members of Congress. It's the Department of Homeland Security. It's people like Tom H. It's the Department of Homeland Security. It's people like Tom Homan and Secretary Kristi Noem. You lay a finger on someone, on Representative Bonnie Watson Coleman, on representative or any of the representatives that were there. You lay a finger on them. We are going to have a problem.

OK, then we do, because they were forced to lay a finger on them because they behaved like brutes. Let me show you, this was released by DHS representative LaMonica McIver. You can almost see AOC almost list her name and then stop herself because the video of this woman does not reflect some sweet, peaceful little congressional overseer there just to take a look at things and not cause problems. Here she is in this video making physical contact with ICE officers in a scrum after the mayor's arrest on Friday. Sade. She's in red. Look at her shoving, shoving forward through an ICE agent.

She's bothering that ICE agent, not the other way around. Look, she's shoving. She's actually like almost punching. Look at that. Shoved another police officer. That's assault. She too should be in jail. So much for AOC's warnings and protestations about who the real offender is here, Walter. Don't wear red if you plan to be an aggressive riot, a rioter. I mean, I could follow 101. I could follow every move. Everybody else was in dull green and uniforms and so on. And here's this big, you know, Scarlet Cardinal throwing her weight around. And I mean, we've been talking about weight loss drugs, but she had a lot of heft to throw around. And you know, that matters in fighting. matters they do but they true you know arrange fighting by weight class and i've been running yeah she she was in the upper classes of the weight class thing there uh okay so you know since january 6th uh we've been told that any form of unruly behavior on

the part of people who uh you know are protesting government policy is it is terrible interaction tantamount to overthrowing the Constitution. But of course, this isn't. They want a special category for this. They're just doing oversight. It looked like Black Thursday, Megan. Everything in American politics is starting to look like Black Thursday, you know, a Best Buy on Black Friday is really sad. And I hate to be, I don't mean to be conspiratorial, but they were there knowing this was going to happen. They were there. They wanted the attention. They were there to get in people's faces. And she wore red for it the same way you wear red to an awards dinner so you'll stick out and and and and aoc's uh you lay a finger all this kind of jenny from the block you know i'm just bronx girl telling

you look you know what's going on this this i i hate to put it this way but this kind of you know streetification of our politics where everybody's acting like, you know, they're a crip or a blood or a, you know, Latin King or whatever. Yeah. Jasmine Crockett is, it's not an orchestrated plan, but it seems to be something, it seems to be a temptation that they're all giving into, you know, maybe this kind of works on TV. Maybe American voters are at the point where we can just turn this into, you know, wrestling, not like wrestling, but wrestling. Actual. Yeah. Your comment about don't wear red to the protest if you don't want to, you know, be seen reminded me of one of my favorite

moments on Twitter ever, where it was one of those situations where two people committed a crime and then one called the other and got them on tape admitting the crime. And the piece of advice was, you know, pro tip, when you have committed a crime with another person and that person calls you up after the fact and tries to go over every detail of the crime you committed together. The only proper response is, no, that is not a thing. That's it. You know exactly what's happening. That is not a thing.

Do not wear the cardinal red to the protest unless you wish to be caught on camera. And here's more of Representative LaMonica McIver, Democrat of New Jersey, verbally berating the ICE agents on the scene. She's touching the ICE agent. He assaulted me. I'm not a complainant. I'm not a complainant. I'm not a complainant. You don't get to talk to a congresswoman like that. And you got to put your hands on me, you will get it. You got to be serious. You got to be serious. You know that's cool. So there she plays the victim. You have the nerve to put your hands on me. After the video we just saw where she was actually physically touching and pushing and assaulting. It's right there on the videotape, multiple ice agents and law enforcement

agents. There's more video of it. We'll show you here. Uh, this is video one. This is released by DHS appearing to show her making physical contact with more ice officers in the scrum. Um, there's a lot of this, this woman's going to be in a lot of trouble. She's physically, obviously, this is assault. This is legal assault. And yet to read the mainstream media coverage of this, of course, would have you think it's just the mean, evil ICE agents who assaulted these poor, sweet members of Congress who are just going there to look over what was obviously an inappropriate and disgusting ICE facility because we don't care about migrants. Ultimately, they were allowed in and their tour resulted in them saying, oh, it's actually really clean and nice in there. Even they, even these loons had to admit it.

So I think we're going to get a lot more of these, do you not? Oh, obviously. It got attention. This is the Democrat version of Trump's chew toy. They're going to have to stage a Donnybrook, a free-for-all, you know, hit each other with chairs on the stadium floor every couple of weeks because they use it to illustrate social problems. They think that they get the best of this because they send an anti-authoritarian message. But from what I just saw there, the ICE agents, the last thing they want to be doing is getting body checked by big ladies in red dresses. They are not acting aggressively. Their job is not to go after Congress people. It's to act as police and guards in this facility. Unless you're going to question the right of the facility to exist, then why come bashing in there? You know, America has institutions which are policed, prisons, detention facilities, all kinds of things.

And you come running in there and trying to start something. And I don't think the first thing that the ICE agent wants to do is come out of that the bully. They seem to be backing up all over the place. And when you look at the crowd shots, they're in the minority, they're outnumbered. Mm-hmm. The spokesperson for ICE comes out, for DHS, I should say, comes out and says that there will be more arrests, which I would expect. I think that that woman we've been looking at, Miss LaMonica McIver, is probably going to get the cuff slapped on her soon. And the Democrats are going to treat it like they treated the arrest

of that one judge in the Midwest who escorted the illegal right out of her courtroom after she threw ice out. You know, like Democrat behaves badly, even unlawfully, and then faces the natural consequences of that behavior. And then they cry victim. Oh, boo hoo, poor me. The mean, mean ice agents, the mean, mean Republicans, the mean, mean Trump administration. So I think the public's kind of used to this. They're getting used to this behavior. I don't know how many dividends this is going to pay. Oh, I think it pays no dividend at all. One of the talking points for the Democrats has been that Trump ushers in chaos. And so in order to, you know, reaffirm that with the people, they have to keep they have to keep stirring chaos.

So expect this to keep going on. That's right. It's a good point. You know, but but going back to the Luigi killing, what we've seen since Trump was elected was an inability to prevail at the ballot box, followed by this kind of renaissance in direct action at the street level, civil disobedience, all the way to David Brooks writing in the New York Times, it's time to have an uprising, or J.B. Pritzker the other day saying, you know, it's time for civil disobedience. They've been calling for this directly, and we're seeing it now. So for them to suddenly proclaim themselves innocent, passive victims after their leaders have been saying, get out there trying to promote her terrible podcast that has absolutely no fan following. And she decides everything she says

and does is a complaint, everything. And so she winds up talking to Tina Knowles, also better known as Beyonce's mother, about marriage and divorce, which is Michelle's favorite topic, one of them at least. Number one is how much she hates her time as first lady. She hated it. And number two, I mean, because you could go either way, how racist the country is and how much she can't stand it. And then we're coming in, at least in the top three, is her negative comments about her husband and her marriage. Here she is talking with Tina Knowles about number three, sort of. I love the way you talk about the need to get your independence because your marriage wasn't always what it should have been. Right.

Okay, so she's going right in. Like, independence is what it's about. Of course, you know, you had a shitty marriage. I can totally relate. And then, can I just show you one more? Look at SOT 23. No, no, no. I'm sorry.

It's the VO, VO6, where the two of them get up and they start dancing. And this is part of the Michelle Obama attempted reinvention to, I'm sorry, but I'm not impressed to make herself into something cool. Here she is again, make herself into something cool, Walter, that like we can relate to. She's a cool girl because she was first lady and that she can get up there and dance with Beyonce's mom. I'm sorry, but all I can think is you hate the country. You hate your husband and a couple of lame steps to the left steps to the right. Ain't going to cure it. The whole dancing thing, of course, crested during COVID with all those propaganda nurse orchestrated dances that were meant- And teachers.

And teachers and so on. We really have gotten the body, the human body into American politics and the way the rest of the world must be just looking at. I mean, is there any other country in the world where they do this much dancing? The reason they do all this dancing is because they don't have any arguments. They can't speak. They can't converse. They can't argue. So the person who, are we going to have a dance off for the US president next time? I mean, it looks like it might come at least in the next 20 years. I don't think she's going to win. I think Trump will win that one too. But, but, okay. So the other night I was

on, I was on the Greg Gutfeld show and we were doing a bit about how the press is complaining that Mel, Melania isn't spending enough time in the white house. Um, she's only been there for 14 days during this whole term so far. But what happens with every first lady after they get out of there is they tell you how much they hated living in the White House, what a trap it is, what a prison it is, how absolutely suffocating the role of first lady is. Here's Melania just saying, I got other things to do and other houses to live in, and they're criticizing her. But on the other hand, we have Michelle telling us about this long incarceration and her marriage and her role and her White House and so on. While she dances finally free of the dude, of the house, of the place. And no wonder she has no audience because nobody likes to tune into a podcast to hear somebody's sad stories about themselves.

Yes, yes, all her whining. Here she is again, this woman, Tina Knowles. Okay, I don't know what she's done in her own right. I'm sure she's accomplished some things, but being Beyonce's mother is interesting. So of course, a good interviewer would make it all about that, frankly. But Michelle, typical, makes it all about that, frankly. But Michelle,

typical, makes it all about one other thing. Michelle, here is an example. How does it feel to share your story with the world? Because let me tell you, when I wrote Becoming, I shared this. It's not about me, but what I'm saying is that, you know, I was all confident writing the book. Yeah. And then the day it was coming out, I could not sleep because I thought, oh, my God, I told everybody everything. Everything. Okay.

And by the way, like, she dials up her, like, accent, you know, her street accent. I told everybody everything. She doesn't talk like that. She didn't used to talk like that. And they call it code switching. And they've given it, you know, this big rationale that you have to, you know, when you're a member of a certain community, be able to talk to the street and be able to talk to the, you know, ambassador and go back and forth. All of that tells me you have no self. What we used to call that was chameleonism. And it meant that you are completely driven by impressing whoever you're

trying to sell something to such that you'll completely change your personality. The idea that she is, and AOC does this, and a lot of politicians do this. Oddly, Trump doesn't. Trump always talks like Donald Trump, no matter how inappropriate it is. Trump could be out in the woods talking to loggers, and he's still Donald Trump. And frankly, I think that's one of his great advantages in this era of code switching and chameleonism and, you know, targeted personalities. And the problem with Michelle Obama is that she has no natural constituency. You know, where's Barack? He made her famous and now she's obviously on some really long runway to divorce or a breakup. Maybe, maybe their fortune is such that they can't get divorced in the way you and I can by just walking out the door and saying, Hey buddy, but they don't, you know, she doesn't have to soften us up forever. If she wants to go spread her wings, just do it.

You know? Well, every comment, I mean, truly, this audience knows, we've been watching them, about marriage, about Barack, about relationships, comes from a dark place. You can tell this woman has got a lot of issues. She's bitter, bitter about being his wife, about the career I guess she never had. By the way, she was only first lady for eight years.

You can go have a legal career. I could resume my legal practice tomorrow. I'd have to fire up, back up my bar licenses. I'd be fine. You'd have to take some continuing legal education to get there. You can do it. Stop bitching and moaning about it. Fucking do it. Stop. Instead, she wants to be loved in the podcast lane. She's failing and she's getting progressively more bitter. Here she is listening here talking about, oh, now it's everyone's problem. It's not just her problem in her relationship. It's what we do to girls. You see, we're sending the wrong messages to girls. Watch, 23. I'm trying my best because I know that when it comes to raising daughters and women,

you know, we're socialized to think that we aren't good enough. We're socialized to think that we need somebody else to make us whole. And that starts so young. I mean, it starts with Barbie dolls and kin and the wedding dress and the questions that we ask our daughters. Trying to figure out how to not program that in my girls and the girls in my life. Because, you know, if you ask somebody, are you dating somebody? You know, they might be happy, but then you're asking them, well, you're happy, but are you dating somebody? And then they're dating somebody, and then it's like,

oh, you're dating somebody when you get married. Right. And then it's on and on and on. So when are you going to have a baby? And that's not for everyone. It's not for everyone. It's not for everyone. It's definitely not for Michelle Obama. It's basically an F the patriarchy segment saying because there's a Ken doll, we're socializing little girls to think they're not whole without a man, which is insane. And by the way, most of us think prizing the institution of marriage and

finding a life partner is something that's a laudable goal that actually will make your life happier, Michelle. And it doesn't have to come at the expense of a woman's independence. Only you think that. Misery loves company, Megan. And if you've ever been in a small town when somebody gets divorced you know if a woman initiates a divorce she wants all her friends to get divorced too you know and then the and then the minute she is she's telling everybody how great it is and what a good time it is and now she's got all this time on her hands listen michelle if you don't believe in women attaching themselves to powerful men then why did you attach yourself to one of the most ambitious Chicago politicians with national ambitions ever? I mean, we would not know your name, I'm sorry, if it were not for the fact that you married Barack.

And now you want to become the spokesmodel for doing it your own way without a man. It's so true. It's just, she's so clueless. And again, she's not nearly as self-aware as I thought she was. She's one of those people who was much better off when she was behind the veil, when she's still, she's benefiting from this over-the-top favorable media coverage of her as the second coming. And now that she's insisting we get to know her better, her approval ratings, I guarantee you, are falling. And she has absolutely no fan base. And she's learning the hard way that, yeah, the real Michelle is actually not as, quote, becoming as the image of Michelle Obama that was a fortune was spent on cultivating. You know, I can't believe that as recently as last fall, people were hoping for the coming of the Democratic presidential messiah, Michelle.

Oh, they're going to sweep her in at the last minute at the convention, you know, over and over as though she was going to come down like the second coming and rescue everybody. Well, I think we know why that is, because the more you see of her, especially in these kind of public settings and doing her thing and, you know, trying her different masks on, she's not a very persuasive or compelling person. No, it's like she can read a speech. That's what she can do. She can read a speech. Well, that's written for her by someone else. And that's really seems like the alpha and omega of Michelle Obama's public talents. All right. We're going to take a quick break and then we're going to come back and I am going to prove to you, Walter Kern and

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Now, negative things get said in public life. And nine times out of 10, you just ignore them. Holly Berry felt the need to respond to that by saying at the time, like, oh, just ask my man, if you don't think I'm good. I was like, what, who, who would do that? And then provide references, you know, like, sure. Ask my current man that whether I'm boring in bed. All right. And then ever since then, I'm telling you, I've watched it happen. She's gotten more and more inappropriate in her public behavior, like more and more weird sex kitten photos, nude photos, sex posts. I think Holly Berry has truly been on a downward spiral since that moment to like prove to us just what a sex kitten she is. And I said this, the audience knows I said this after the Met Gala last week. And what do I wake up to today? But this weird video that

Holly Berry posts from her bed in Con France with her boyfriend, Van Hunt, advertising her let's spin intimacy gel in travel size. For the listening audience. They're in bed, apparently naked. Listen in. So show y'all how my day started, how my mother's day started. And now I'm going to tell you about, I'm not going to show you. I'm going to tell you about how my mother's day is gonna end you know right man yes i wish you hurry up too first of all we got our let's spin because let's spin just came out in this cute little travel size and so since we're in can france i travel with it for the first time and we're about to give it a spin you're about to can with your van. Happy Mother's Day once again, everybody. I hope all of you are somewhere spinning. Oh my God. I ain't never been so happy to have Mother's Day come to

an end. Oh my God. She looks like she's on drugs with that weird laughter. That's, she looks very bizarre. How, who celebrates Mother's Day by talking about how to lube up their vag with their boyfriend in bed from con? This is so bizarre, Walter. Well, let's hope it's her vag. And number two, let's hope it's her. Oh, no, we lost Walter in a critical moment. What happened? Holly Berry boomed into the podcast and cut him off. He froze. What's number two? We have to know.

We've got to get Walter reestablished. We all need to know what number two is. What? What, Steve? Oh, yes. We have to get him. Wait, do we have to take a break? Can I just, I'll move on to something. Yeah. I'm going to work on something else, a different subject, while you work to reestablish Walter, since we all have to know what number two is on Holly Berry. Let's hope it's her vag was number one. And we don't know what number two is, but we're going, we're going to find out. We're looking forward to that. Okay. Before we, before we go back, uh, I want to point to, let's see, there's a bunch of things here. Dylan Mulvaney has partnered with Versace to be, I guess, a new spokesmodel. Take a look at Dylan in his Instagram post from last week's SOT29.

I think this is the best I've ever looked. Pretty sure, I'm pretty sure, headed to a Versace event. And yeah, I think this is it, right? Okay. Okay. Love you. There he is, again, cosplaying being a woman with an enormous fake boob. He's obviously had breast implants, which is new, I think. And he's wearing a Versace dress because he's celebrating the fact that he has been, I guess, hired by Versace to endorse Versace's clothing. And he's wearing last season's dress. I just want you to know that it's a dress that was brought to me back in the fall for me to

possibly wear to the Al Smith dinner, but I rejected it. And it's addressed that Melania Trump wore on New Year's Eve as only Melania Trump could and actually did look spectacular in it. Here she is. I mean, we should really do a who wore best kind of side by side with Melania Trump, as one of my followers on Twitter put it, not just a woman, but the woman versus Dylan Mulvaney. And what another colossal blunder for Versace, whose brand is already hemorrhaging. They've already kind of gone down. They're already kind of known as more of like a, it's not one of the top couture brands anymore. It used to be, but because of asinine moves like this, they've suffered. And I'll be really surprised if I ever see Melania Trump wear Versace again, you had literally one of the most beautiful women in the world wear your dress. And you decided to counter that by putting a man who poses as a woman and gets off on diminishing women by acting like a four-year-old

as he claims he is one, wear the same dress. It's a fail. Still working on Walter. Then I wanted to get to this from Chelsea Handler, who seems like an absolutely disgusting person talking very casually about her many abortions. Take a listen to her on the Burnouts podcast from May. Got pregnant a couple of times when I was a teenager and got abortions. Thank God my parents had the sense to make sure that that happened. And thank God, as I got older and more mature, I understood that that's not what I'm cut out for. That's not my lifestyle. And I'm good at a lot of different things, but that's just not one of them. And that's okay. Thank God my parents encouraged me to have my multiple abortions while I was in high school.

Where were those parents encouraging you not to have premarital sex or sex as a teenager or unprotected sex or irresponsible sex and understand that you were making a very serious choice in doing so? Where were your parents then? You might be, instead of thanking God for those parents, on your hands and knees praying to God to try to help you see the way because you've clearly been raised by people who are errant in their parental responsibilities. I don't care whether you're pro-choice or you're not. Every sane parent says to their child, please don't do this. And if you are going to do this and you're going to go your own way, for the love of God, please use protection. Use multiple forms of protection.

Here are the weaknesses of the protection that are available so you know exactly what you're getting into. And please, God forbid, if anything happens, you bring it to me and we can help find our way through it. I'm disgusted by her and I'm disgusted by her parents. Back to Walter. Thank God. What is number two that Holly Berry that we need to know about the Holly Berry segment? Well, yeah, I'm sorry for the, um, uh, interruption. I get one-on-one time with Megan Kelly in front of the country and then the damn internet goes out. What terrible, terrible luck. Halle Berry, she looked terrible. She's trying to

prove she's sexy and not a robot. That means she is. That means she's very anxious about her appeal. I stood in line with her once at a seafood joint in Malibu. She was a beautiful, flawless woman, just absolutely radiant. She looked terrible there. The guy who participated in that should be ashamed of himself. I mean, what an exploitative thing to do. It reminded me of like Star 80, one of those movies about, you know, a model who goes downhill because a boyfriend wants to get famous. What an awful way to get his mug shown around the world. That was sad. It was, I'm sorry she's so anxious about her sex appeal. She's one of the most beautiful women in the world.

If she's not good in bed, that doesn't matter. A woman doesn't have to be good in bed. She just has to be beautiful, lie there, and available with nice lighting. And say you're good in bed. The secret of a woman being good in bed is to tell the guy he is. No guy has ever complained that some beautiful woman just radiated her sex appeal and what she's supposed to do. Climb around, swing from the ceiling. That's his job. That is so true. That's like Andrew Schultz, who's so funny,

crass, but in a great way. Who's like, all you women, they're so worried about like this noise or this, you know, sort of fat, whatever. We don't care. We don't care. We don't care about any of it. Just as long as you're willing,

we're cool. Right. And just say, I've never seen a man like you before. And you're the best in bed we've ever had. Then suddenly he's feeling the same about you. You don't have to humiliate yourself and diminish your brand. And as Walter points out correctly, you're sending exactly the opposite message of the one you intend to convey about like, see how sexy I am. I'm in bed. No one would actually do that. No one actually has to do that. Who actually believes that they have sex appeal, like bring the lover in the bed and have him keep commenting about how he can't wait to get on me. It's so classless and gross. And yes, she looks terrible. But also, why do they need lube? Why do they need lube? They're both, you know, in other words,

unless there's something really unnatural going on, they shouldn't need lube. She's getting older now, Walter. But isn't that, isn't it the exact message that she doesn't want to send? I mean, she was she was telling us that she's a sex goddess a minute ago and now she's telling us she needs lube. I want to know what flavor it was. That's all I want. Oh, good God. I got to go. OK.

Big pleasure. Not that big, but it was a pleasure. Walter Kern. See you soon. Kelly's Court tomorrow. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.