The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump Tells Israel "Enough is Enough," PLUS Truth About Carbs, Peptides, and Foot Health, with Dr. Paul Saladino and Mark Sisson | Ep. 1298

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

Megyn Kelly discusses how Israel’s temporary ceasefire with Lebanon set the stage for Iran announcing the Strait of Hormuz is reopening, what this signals about potential long-term de-escalation in the region, President Trump needing to chastise Israel publicly, some GOP members of the House siding with Democrats to keep temporary protected status for Haitian migrants, why it’s betrayal of Trump’s immigration agenda, Gavin Newsom’s fake tears on camera, the truth about his inflated book sales driven by bulk purchases tied to donations, and more. Then Dr. Paul Saladino, founder of Lineage Provisions & Heart and Soil, and Mark Sisson, founder of Peluva, join to discuss the truth about cholesterol and how it relates to metabolic health, the truth about whether we should eat a lot of vegetables, the way to balance red meat and other proteins, why what we were told about carbs and protein for decades is wrong, how overconsumption of carbohydrates impacts fat storage and energy, the true problem with sugar, why sprinting is essential for building strength and longevity, the truth about microplastics and detoxing, why foot health is often overlooked but very important, how modern footwear has contributed to long-term issues in the body, and more.   Saladino- https://www.paulsaladinomd.com/ Sisson- www.peluva.com   Supersure Insurance: Simplify your business insurance and get a free coverage report at https://Supersure.com/Megyn Relief Factor: Break up with pain—Relief Factor targets inflammation so you can move better and feel better; try the 3-Week QuickStart for just $19.95 at https://ReliefFactor.com or call 800-4-RELIEF. Herald Group: Learn more at https://GuardYourCard.com Dose: Support your liver and daily energy with Dose for Your Liver—get 35% off your first month at https://dosedaily.co/MK or use code MK at checkout.     Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow  Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show and happy Friday. We've got a big health panel coming up today to answer your questions on how to live an even healthier, happier, and longer life. But we've got to start with the latest on Iran because there's breaking news here and increasing signs that we may be getting close to a deal to end this thing permanently. Thank God. Yesterday, a very upbeat President Trump saying Iran had already agreed to give up its pursuit of a nuclear weapon. Watch. The big thing we have to do is we have to make sure that Iran does not have a nuclear weapon because if they do, you want to talk about problems.

You'd have problems. So very important is that Iran does not have a nuclear weapon. And they've agreed to that. Iran's agreed to that. And they've agreed to it very powerfully. They've agreed to give us back the nuclear dust. way underground because of the attack we made with the B2 bombers. So we have a lot of agreement with Iran, and I think something's going to happen very positive.

Well, since then, more this morning, Iran announcing that the Strait of Hormuz is back open, sending the price of oil down to about $88 a barrel. So hopefully we can all get some relief at the pump soon, although that's not exactly how it works. There's going to be a hangover effect, they say, from these prices being jacked up for so long, and the oil being backed up for so long. President Trump posting on truth social, quote, The Strait of Hormuz is completely open and ready for business and full passage, but the naval blockade will remain in full force and effect as it pertains to Iran only

until such time as our transaction with Iran is 100% complete. That's Marks, that's our pressure point. This process should go very quickly in that most of the points are already negotiated. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Iran's saying that it opened the strait due to the ceasefire between Israel, and Lebanon, which finally our dear close best ally agreed to, and that the ships still had to use Iran's designated routes. In other words, you can't just go through the state of Strader Hamos yet. You've got to go through the designated routes issued by Iran. That ceasefire

between Israel and Lebanon was brokered by the U.S. and announced last night by President Trump, Mr. Trump, adding on true social, quote, the USA will get all nuclear dust. You heard and mention it in the Soundbite 2, created by our great B2 bombers. No money will exchange hands in any way, shape, or form. This deal is in no way subject to Lebanon either, but the USA will separately work with Lebanon and deal with the Hezbollah situation in an appropriate manner. So they're disagreeing on whether that had something to do with it, but Iran is expressly saying they wouldn't have agreed to this if Israel had continued bombing Lebanon.

Trump goes on, Israel will not be bombing Lebanon any longer. they are, in all caps, prohibited from doing so by the USA. Enough is enough. Thank you. He writes, enough is enough. They're the reason we got into this war. They're the reason we were not able to end it. Now, finally, they've agreed to stop bombing Lebanon, thanks.

So we can actually try to wrap this thing up. Here's Steve Bannon reacting to that post, especially that last part from President Trump. Watch. Israel will not be bombing Lebanon any longer. They are prohibited from doing so by the United States of America. Enough is enough. America's greatest ally just got put on a report. Let me repeat that.

And Tel Aviv Levin and you entire and Benji Shapiro, the entire Israel first crowd, the commander and chief of the United States military had to go on a social media platform to tell the world that we're not playing games anymore with America's greatest ally if properly

executed by the United States military and the United States government could be a landmark moment and of course Tel Aviv Levin and Benji Shapiro and all their acolytes and Miriam Adelson and everybody they're all up in arms are all going to be over President Trump.

He had to go out. Enough is enough. President Trump, as I say, when he says, no more games. No games. So he just put BB on notice, no games. Got to tell you, couldn't be more humiliating. Everybody on the Israel First Project, all your pom-poms, nothing could be more humiliating than what the commander-in-chief was forced to do

on his social media platform. So all the world saw it at the same time he told you, because they've set it behind the scenes and trying to be nice about it, trying to be accommodating, and you just won't listen. And Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz and that entire cabal in D.C. should be put on notice. We're not doing this anymore. You're not going to jeopardize the national security interests of our nation, and you're certainly not going to put our young men and women in harm's way,

and that's exactly what you guys allowed to happen. And Lindsey Graham should pay for that. If the good folks in South Carolina really look at the facts here, Lindsay Graham will be turfed out. Indeed. We'll see if that actually happens. I mean, we've spent, what, between 60 and greater billions on this thing. Is your life improved?

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Talks are expected in Islamabad on Sunday with negotiations. on what happens to Iran's nuclear stockpile, the so-called nuclear dust, there's a back and forth, you know, we wanted to take it, Iran wanted to keep it and dilute it, we may now send it to a third party, like, okay, they weren't anywhere close to having a nuclear weapon. Don't believe me, that's what Tulsi Gabbard reported based on all the intelligence agencies' best assessments just prior to our bombing Iran. They weren't close to having a bomb. Okay, we pretended that they were because we wanted to please Israel. And Bibi Netanyahu talked us into believing that we could go in there, Venezuela style and take out the Ayatollah, and President Trump would be treated like a hero,

and he could, you know, have that same feeling he had after Venezuela and after the June bombing of the three nuclear sites. And we have, I don't know who leading Iran. I really, He keeps saying it's regime change. No, it isn't. It's the same regime. It's a different person, but it's the same regime. And we'll see. We'll see what happens with these people.

President Trump is saying he may even attend himself if a deal is reached over in Pakistan. Okay, great. And he'll wave, you know, some sort of victory flag saying, we all have to thank him for making the world a safer place. And it's not. No one's rooting for Iran. We can't stand Iran. We know Iran is terrible. but you just wait because we've created a lot more enemies there.

And domestic terror is how this group of people responds to that kind of anger. Whatever. I'm just glad it's ending. I hope it's ending. I don't really trust that it actually is going to be honored by Israel or Hezbollah in Lebanon. Do you? I mean, President Trump says he's ordered Israel not to do it. So it's like, okay.

we'll see whether Netanyahu takes orders the way he gives them. And then we'll see if Hezbollah, which is a terrorist organization, honors the truce. All of that still hanging in the balance. Axios is reporting that there are discussions now on whether the U.S. is going to release $20 billion in frozen Iranian funds. If Iran does give up its stockpile of enriched uranium, President Trump, as we showed you earlier, wrote on truth that no money will exchange hands as part of it. of the deal. That's a slight of hand. Something's going to exchange. Like, there, there,

there's been no iteration of this deal that didn't discuss some sort of sanctions relief or monetary payment to Iran. So we'll see what the number is. Earlier, it was just, we were negotiating over the number. They wanted something like 25. We wanted to give six. Then it landed at 20. So we'll see what the actual number is and how this thing winds up. Let's just get it wrapped up. That's all I care about. Stop the loss of life. stop the unintended consequences, stop the economic pain that is raining down on Americans who are already hurting as a result of oil over $100 a barrel, a log jam in the Middle East that was about to lead to oil tankers having to dump the oil.

After a while, if they can't pass through the straight, there's nothing they can do with it. And by the way, it's still slow today. Here's what we're seeing at the moment. The Wall Street Journal is reporting a maritime security company is advising clients. not to cross the Strait of Hormuz after Iran opened the waterway, or announced at least that it was open. Chris Long, intelligence director at Neptune P2P group, said two customers who were considering sailing through the strait have been told to wait for guidance from regional and maritime authorities. Iran was still asking vessels to go through a designated route.

Long, a former British Navy officer in the Persian Gulf said there was a risk. Iran would have mined the area outside of this trajectory. So let's see how quickly it gets going. because you've got to be a little concerned if you are the first to use it. Like, last we heard, Iran didn't know where the mines were. They weren't really sure where they'd left them. The U.S. military was trying to demine the strait. By the way, President Trump, in one of his posts today, called it the Strait of Iran, which is probably, you know, the best Freudian slip he's had in weeks.

Yeah, it wasn't really before. It was an open Strait of Hormuz used by everybody in the Middle East and beyond. And now it's the straight of Iran. Now they've realized they've got an economic pressure point they can unleash on us. And we're keeping our ships there now to make sure that they don't do anything, you know, no funny business while we wrap this thing up. But at some point, our destroyers are going to leave. And we'll see how many times we have to go through this now with Iran as things ratchet back up.

Because they've realized that they have a very powerful tool that hurts us that they never used or realized before. This is brand new. So now, yay, we're ending the war by getting them to open up the strait, which was open before we even started the war. Great. And we're getting them to promise that they're not going to pursue a nuclear weapon, which was something that the now dead Ayatollah had already issued a fatwa against. And we're getting them to give their nuclear dust, which President Trump himself told us was buried several feet underground as a result of our bombing of the three nuclear sites to maybe a third party, possibly back to us. that's what we want. He told us we didn't have to worry about it because we have eyes on it via satellite and it's all buried deep in the ground. But now it's a huge deal point that they're going to give it

to a third party. They're going to dig it up and give it to a third party. So, okay, great, great, terrific. And they're going to be a lot richer as a result of either direct payments we're going to make to them for these agreements or the lifting of sanctions, which has been one of their main points all along, something they could only have dreamed about prior to the bombs being dropped. So that's where things are. That's the honest truth. Let's be glad it's ending. That's what I care about. In the meantime, we have a problem back here at home with Haitian immigrants who continue

to be rewarded for their illegal lawbreaking and coming into this country and staying here and taking advantage of taxpayers by Republicans, by Republicans. First, it was Democrats because what happened was under Joe Biden, he let 350,000 Haitians have temporary protected status in the United States. and as soon as Trump got in, he revoked that, saying, Haiti is no longer a danger. You have nothing you need to be protected from. Go home.

Well, the Democrats sued. And, of course, they got a federal district judge to say, Trump was out of line. You can't enforce that. And that's a case that's about to go up to the U.S. Supreme Court at the end of April. But in the meantime, you know, just in case the Supreme Court does the right thing, the Republicans decided to try to get in the way of that release. being provided to us and the Trump administration. And some 20 of them sided with Democrats in the

House last night to pass a bill that would continue the temporary protected status for the Haitians. It passed the House thanks to Republicans who thought this was a good idea. It's such a betrayal. I mean, it is a betrayal. They understand exactly what the Trump agenda was and why he was put in office, why they're in office and it's certainly not to make it easier on illegals. So multiple, multiple Republicans, including Maria Salazar, our friend down in Florida, Republican who's pushing the amnesty bill right now. Of course, she voted for this. Don Bacon, Brian Fitzpatrick, Carlos Jimenez, Nicole Maliotakis, Mario Diaz ballard,

Mike Lawler of New York, Mike Turner, Rich McCorme. McCormick of Georgia, Mike Carey, Ohio, Kevin Kiley of California. Democrats broke out no applause after it passed. And here was the rationale given by the Republicans. This really makes my blood boil. Nicole Maliotakis of New York. She has the same rationale that Mike Lawler of New York have. Okay, this is my state for the vast majority of my life. I'm only a recent convert over here to Connecticut. This is their justification. Malia Takas tells Fox News, she voted yes on the temporary protected status extension because, look, she says, I have a lot of health care workers in my district that are of Haitian descent that are on temporary protected status. And my nursing homes, my health care facilities have said that they're going to lose skilled staff at a time when there is a shortage.

So it's the right thing to do for my district. Lawler says basically the same. It'll cause a huge crisis in our health care system, especially in an area like mine where a lot of our Haitian temporary protected status holders are nurses. Okay, this is so infuriating, and let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. I've told you about my sister, right? My sister was seven years older than I am. She died a couple of years ago at age 58. And she had a very tough life. You know, it's like my brother, my sister, and I are all very different. And I, maybe you feel the same based on your family. Like, I'm convinced people come into this world with a certain, like, temperament and, like, default personality nature. And it's, it can't really be changed by parents or much. And, you know, my sister just always had it tough.

You know, she had a lot of challenges thrown her way. And while she was very funny and very loving, very much a caretaker, she was convinced she had bad luck, you know. And it's bad to be convinced you have bad luck because it tends to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. In any event, I loved her dearly and I miss her every day. and her three children who are now grown do as well. But my sister, after having been thrown some major curveballs by life, one thing she was always great at, as I said, was taking care of people. Her background was in early childhood education. She was a stay-at-home mom for many years.

She taught little kids for many years. And then she tried to get into this kind of health care, where you could go work in like a nursing home. This is after, you know, the kids were older and she needed to pay her bills. She had gotten a divorce. There are all sorts of issues there. And she really wanted to make a better life for herself by getting a job in one of these nursing homes and helping old people. Well, it's a long story. But as a result of some of her addiction problems earlier in her adult life, which I've talked to you about when she died, she couldn't get a job in one of these facilities. They're so hardcore, she couldn't get a job. So this, I have to tell you, I deeply resent this. So what are they doing?

They're hiring all these Haitian immigrants who are not even here lawfully. I mean, technically they're not breaking the law because we've given them temporary protected status. But they don't belong here. They're not citizens. They don't have green cards. We give them this temporary status. And then we put them throughout these places like the nursing homes. And then we won't deport them when a new president comes in to say,

you got nothing if you're in Haiti. You're going home. That's not what TPS is for because we say, oh, we need them in the nursing homes. I guarantee you that there are thousands, tens of thousands of hurting Americans just like my sister, who would love those jobs, who would give anything for those jobs. And you tell me, do we have any idea whether any one of them has a problem similar to my sisters back in Haiti? Do we know anything about their young adulthood and mistakes they made, in my sister's case, through no fault of her own. She got swept up in the opioid crisis as a result of a doctor who

told her this drug was not going to be addictive. And it was, like so many other people in America. In any event, my point is simply, what do we know about them? We know it's nothing. Even in the height of COVID, when we all couldn't go out to dinner unless we proved we had a damn vaccine. They were letting all these illegals in without any proof of vaccination. It's rules for thee, but not for me. And it's the same damn thing. You know it very well. Do we know what their criminal background is? Do we know what their addiction background is? Have we done any sort of screening with the Haitian authorities on these people? And even if we had, would we believe, two words of it? But they can have total unfettered access to our elderly in these nursing homes.

And then that becomes the reason that we can't then deport them. And they pretend at every turn that there are not Americans who want these jobs. I'm here to tell you there are. There are. I've known and loved some of them. So fuck you and your bullshit excuses, Representative Lawler and Nicole Maliotakis, because I am a lifelong New Yorker, as was my sister. And I know the truth. This is a shame, shameful thing to do. So they passed it. Now the Senate is saying no dice over here, that this thing is not, this attempt to do. to by law extend the temporary protected status for them, that the Senate's not going to do it. I don't think President Trump will do it. I certainly hope not if it were to get past the Senate. But these lawmakers deserve to be named and shamed.

Because this is a shell game by them of trying to satisfy a need that, in fact, should be satisfied by red-blooded Americans, who you've already thrown out, cast, decide and declared useless to you for things that you will never hold against the Haitians. There are strong lawmakers still in there, still in the U.S. Congress, including one of our very favorite, and that's Brandon Gill. He's a hero. This guy is awesome. You know, we always show you the Brandon Gill soundbites where he cross-examines like nobody's business on Capitol Hill. and he's an honorable, honorable House of Representatives member.

It's so hard to find them. You know, truly, like, do you really want your kid to grow up to be a congressman? Ugh. Oh, right? That's how I feel. Senator, maybe. That's tougher. The bar's a little higher.

But Brandon Gill makes me feel differently. Brandon Gill still gives me someone to hold up on a pedestal for my kids to look at. Like, you know what? There are honorable men in Congress. Congress. And he's one of them. And here he is speaking out against this here in SOT One. Temporary protected status, as its name implies, was originally designed to be just that. Temporary. And yet it's metastasized into what is effectively a permanent amnesty program for unvetted foreigners all over the globe. There's roughly 350,000 Haitians covered under temporary

protective status in the United States, of those an estimated 91% entered this country illegally. 69% came in and estimated under the Biden administration. Does mass migration from Haiti benefit the American people? The answer is obviously no. 65% of non-immigrant Haitian-headed households are on welfare. Does that make America stronger or more prosperous or more wealthy in any way? Of course it doesn't. Mr. Speaker, the central thesis of the last election cycle was the American people rejecting mass migration.

Right on. And what of the communities that are having to deal with these Haitians who are not of our culture, not of our shared values? They come into these communities. and in many cases upend them to a place where the residents don't recognize their own communities. Let me read you a letter that was written to the editor of the Dayton Daily News in Ohio, February 16th, 2026. Okay. And we've got, yeah, Mike Turner, Republican from Ohio. He voted for this.

He might want to talk to the residents of his home state because here's a letter that was just written two months ago. I'm tired of reading a one-sided view of the Haitian influx in Springfield. Their presence in Springfield in all of Ohio has been detrimental, but the only people the media interviews are pro-Hasian. Our political leaders are not advocating for the majority of the citizens. There are some that work, but at lower wages, less or no benefits, and no complaints. TPS Haitians have been treated better than the citizens of Springfield. There are many complaints of how rude and entitled these people are because they know they have the support of people who are benefiting from their presence in some way, financially,

boosting self-importance or increasing congregations in church. But no media interviews workers anonymously in the fields that deal with these problems, like teachers, police, nurses, cashiers, workers at the Social Security office, DMV, or the health department. The pro-Hasian media coverage has fueled the fire. Think of it. These lawmakers are living in their nice communities, driving their B,S, and SMWs, shuttling back and forth as part of the Acella media group up and down between New York

and Washington or in Ohio's case, I guess they get on the planes. And they don't have to deal with it. They want to pretend it's this magic, wonderful thing where we've filled this need and there are no consequences to the communities or to those who are out of work and would like to find a job. Here's more of that. This is a Springfield woman here in Sattu from an August community meeting. I was looking at the giant holes in some of our buildings. I noticed all of the old familiar spots bearing new signs in an unfamiliar language. I watched as groups of strangers walked around the city like lost tourists,

and it was like a punch in the gut. A terrible sadness came over me, and I began to cry. I immediately started to think back to when I was little, walking. from my grandma's house on South Fountain through downtown and all the way to Snyder Park, going to Rends to get new school clothes and shoes. The excitement of the mall for lunch at the

Blue Fox were even better to see Santa, riding down High Street, admiring the beauty of those stately homes and their amazing architecture, dropping pennies in the fountain and making wishes. And now, all those warm memories are becoming fueled to the fire of anger inside

of me. I feel like we have been invaded by some sort of pest. I'm angry that my friends and family are packing up and moving away. I'm angry that foreigners are using up the resources that were set up for the Americans that reside here. I'm angry that another country's flag was being flown in our city. I'm angry when I see our businesses and recreational areas littered with garbage left by people that do not know or understand our laws and culture and are making no attempt to learn about them. and let me be clear this is not about race. This is about people being given the privilege of coming here from another country

and having no respect for our people, our land, or our life's work. People living their life here the way they did in Haiti, angry, stealing, polluting, living in filth and acting like animals. These are not civilized people, opening containers in our grocery stores, helping themselves to what's inside and throwing the rest onto the shelves and floors. Pulling off of the highway to publicly clean and gut the roadkill lying there in front of anyone that passes by. Stealing animals from farmers and leaving their severed heads at the side of an old school where children play.

Relieving themselves in public. Making some barbaric stew out of the birds that live in our park. This is insanity and it has to stop. It was August 13th, 2024 before the election and it was one of the things that drove the election. was President Trump's promise to put an end to this insanity allowed by Joe Biden. The consequences of his open borders and his temporary protected status for Haitians and others continue to be visible day after day after day. Was it last week that President Trump posted the horrific video on true social of the temporary

protected status? Haitian murdering a clerk at a gas station. It was horrifying, convenience store clerk. Viewer warning. This is disturbing. He murders her with a hammer. Oh, God. Oh, it's awful.

Oh, I'm sorry. It's awful. It's awful. It's so brutal. Oh, my God. It's so brutal, you guys. She worked there at the convenience store. I don't know what he was doing, but she came outside to tell him to stop.

And he beat her to death with a hammer in cold blood. By the way, she was a store clerk inside the gas station there saying that he has confessed to the murder. He's been charged with murder as well, according to the Miami Herald. She, this perpetrator first entered the United States in August 22 under Joe Biden. He was released into the country under the Biden administration, a federal judge, issued a final order of removal still in 2022, but the Biden administration granted him temporary protected status, which expired in 2024. So, of course, he didn't honor that. Haitian migrant allowed temporary protected status. The victim has not been identified. Otherwise, I'd be saying her

name. They're not all murderers. It doesn't matter. They're not from our culture. They don't share our values that the United States and Haiti have virtually nothing in common, okay? This is absurd. And there are Americans who are still hurting and still need jobs. Shame on you. We expect this from the Democrats. This is openly part of their platform to allow as many illegals here as possible through any means possible. But you Republicans, you are elected to do something else. Shame on you for not living up to that. I want to keep going. There's more to discuss here. There is a concern about the approach that we've settled on in the Trump administration these days on illegal immigration.

We opened our show with these concerns the other day. And we said that effectively the nut cases in Minneapolis had won that war. DHS, ICE got out of Minneapolis. We did not reverse Minneapolis sanctuary city status. Tom Homan was not able to talk them into that. So they are not cooperating when they have an illegal who is in jail there, who gets arrested on some petty anti-crime. They will not call ICE before they release that person back out onto the streets, though Tom Holman has tried. He's managed to do it in a couple of other cities in Minnesota, but not Minneapolis.

So we lost that battle, and we lost it in more ways than just when it comes to Minneapolis. Of course, we've changed the entire immigration approach, as we discussed. you know, Christy Nome and Greg Bevino, who were in there before, were hardline and really were very determined to get rid of everyone and to make a showing of it in order to deter more people from thinking about coming. Tom Homan is more worst first, period, and he's an honorable man and will do what the Trump administration tells him, but he was sent into Minneapolis and other cities now to take a different approach, to not go as hard line. And we reported this to you the other day. Some people said, no, it's not true. It's true. It's, trust me, it's true.

And now we hear basically exactly that from the new DHS secretary, Mark Wayne Mullen, who in an interview yesterday with CNBC said the following. Take a listen. We do have a different leadership style. We're still enforcing immigration laws. We're still deporting illegals that shouldn't be here. We're still going after the worst of the worst. but we're doing it in a more quiet way because my goal in six months is to not have DHS on the lead story every day.

We want to make sure people understand we're here working for the people, not against you. Going after the worst of the worst. How about all the others? The mandate was everyone. The mandate was everyone. That's what we wanted. That's what we voted for. And by the way, that's what we were promised by President Trump himself.

Now we're going to go after the worst or the worst. Again, that's all he mentions, but we're going to do it in a more quiet way. In response to which, Greg Bovino, who's no longer commander at large of the Border Patrol, says, quote, on X, how exactly does the quiet way cause mass deportations or the use of the CBP home app, which is never mentioned anymore? It's called taking ownership of a mission, not dodging it. Mass deportations is what we are after, not being quiet. this as the head of ice, Todd Lyons, who's been a key factor in Trump's mass deportation agenda is resigning effective end of May. Why? What's forcing him out? I'd love to know more. I hope he gives some sort of an interview on the record or off because I'll bet you there's more to that story. This is what the American people care about. This, we don't give a shit about the straight of Hormuz, but we do care about what happened to that woman. at that convenience store. And TPS status for 350,000 Haitians

who have absolutely no shared culture or values with us. Not to mention the millions. President Trump is the one who put it at 20 million. Our numbers were closer to 9 million that Joe Biden let in. But take your pick. It almost doesn't matter. We've deported what?

Like maybe a total of two and a half with the ones who left voluntarily and the ones that we actually managed to deport? The Democrats have fought at every turn to keep the numbers low and to stop the effort. We continue to fight these battles in court. What we don't need is Republicans giving an assist to the other side. And we don't need Republicans pulling back with the new softer, gentler-sounding Stephen Miller, with the new DHS secretary talking about only worst of the worst and a quieter, more gentle approach, whatever he said.

We don't need that. We need pedal to the metal. And it just doesn't feel like that's where our energies or our focus are right now. Okay, let's keep going. There's Gavin Newsom, who we've discussed this week as the number two contender for the Democratic nomination. The polls show that Kamala Harris is double digits ahead of him amongst Democrats when you ask who they want their nominee to be. So thumbs up on that. But Gavin Newsom is not going to go down without a fight.

many people see him as their best hope because he's a white, straight, Christian guy, and the Democrats really just want to win. And if they think, notwithstanding their adherence to identity politics, if that's what's going to help them win, then they're going to go with Gavin Newsom. We'll see. Plus, Carla Harris is an idiot, which they know. But, well, we'll see if they make the same mistake twice. You know what they say?

Fill me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me. Gavin Newsom is still out there doing his little tours, trying to gin up support for himself by saying it's just his book tour, but we all know what this is. It's like a soft launch to his presidential campaign. And one of the ways, as I say, that he's doing it is pushing his book and going on all these, you know, book appearances and podcasts and, you know, book talks and so on. And his book is doing rather well. It hit the New York Times bestseller list. And do you remember what I've told you before? thanks to my husband Doug, who is an author who actually writes his own books and sells them, and they do well. And he earns whatever accolades he deserves with sales or not, you know, depends on the book, the old-fashioned way, by creating a relationship with an audience that loves the books or doesn't. And by the way, his new book is coming out in May. You've got to

check it out. It's the, I always forget the first, the prelude to it, the lost case of Emmanuel Nobel. The Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel. Nobel is in Nobel Prizes. That was his uncle, Alfred Nobel. Emmanuel built the family's huge fortune in Russian oil. He's like the guy who built the biggest oil industry in the world, bigger than Rockefeller, bigger than Rothschild, bigger than anyone. And unfortunately for Emmanuel Nobel, as he was doing that, there was another man coming up in Russia. And that man's name was Joseph Stalin. And the clash of these two Titans is the subject of Doug's latest book, The Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel, how it all went down is a great story. Anyway, you can pre-order it now.

I digress. Gavin Newsom has a bestseller, too. And Gavin Newsom bought his way onto the New York Times bestseller list. We now know. As I've told you in the past, thanks to Doug's knowledge of the New York Times list, you get a little dagger next to your name if you buy you buy you. your way onto the list with bulk sales. And that's what Newsom did with his book. It's now come out in the New York Times. They would know. They're the ones who talk about how they gave him a dagger. They did it because they saw the bulk sales. And how did he do it? It's he, they write that he rolled out this intriguing offer to his formidable email list of supporters. Donate anything to my political group. And I will send you. you a copy of my book, young man in a hurry, a memoir of discovery. Make a contribution of any amount

today, and I will send you a copy, he wrote. It turned out about 67,000 supporters did just that. That's two-thirds of all his sales. Two-thirds of his sales were via this scheme, where he said, make a donation of even a dollar, and I will send you my book. It was his pack. his political action committee that paid over $1.5 million to buy all those books and then distribute them through this donation program. This is unbelievable. So they bought his way under the list. They tried to give him a feather in his cap that he could brag about to talk about how he's got a New York Times bestseller now. And it was all a scam just to make him look good and try to force his book on people who, you know, they wanted to read his sob story about how he's

allegedly born a poor black child, maybe not black, but poor child, who was raised basically by the Gettys and had millions of dollars foisted on him by that very rich family, which effectively adopted him. So he's a dishonest person, this we knew. And if you want an example of that, I'm going to show you the following clip. It comes from March 25th. It is from Oak Park, California, and it is at a press conference where Governor Newsom appeared to kick off a new program to recruit 10,000 young men who we wanted to step up for their communities to work on things like volunteer for things like disaster response, climate action, education, community service, and so on. And here was Gavin Newsom in his speech to the California young people that day.

This is one of the most interesting places I've ever been in. ADHD Avenue, I mean, everything about this is, ah, I feel like I'm home. You know, dyslexics that are surrounded by, you know, these special folks, particularly the young folks there. So I'm grateful. I'm also weird. You are. Sharon, you know, forgive me. This is embarrassing.

He can turn all that off. Just because all the noise, you know, that we just need to turn off. And this is, this is. Wiping his eyes. There are no tears. This is it, man. This is it. You want to fix all this stuff?

This is it. Listen to these guys. You know, we're all just sitting there yelling and screaming at each other. Everybody's getting each other's throats and trying to tear everybody down. And, you know, how are we going to get out of this? This is it. Okay, Hoda. It's three wipes of the eyes with no tears. Like, what kind of a man fakes crying? Don't most men want to hold back the crying, don't they? The ones with the testosterone.

Like, generally you try, like, not to cry. You don't fake cry. And what are you fake crying over? Did he just call everybody dyslexic? You did, didn't he? I mean, just because you are dyslexic, not mean everyone is always dyslexic who needs a job. I'm not sure what went down there. But this is what we're in for, folks. We're going to get many, many months and possibly years of Gavin Newsom with his fake emotions and trying to be like the guy who like feels their pain, you know, like a Bill Clinton type. Only Bill Clinton was a good actor. Really good. You're going to have to work on your routine. Remember how we heard that when Kamala Harris came out and gave that speech at the Democratic National.

National Convention, that all these, like the heads of creative artist agency, the biggest Hollywood talent agency there is, and others, like top actors, too. Like, I think Merrill Street might have been one of them, trained her on how to speak, like how to deliver the speech. And she delivered a fine speech. She was fine. Like, she didn't do terribly in that speech because she had so much Hollywood help. That's what he needs, and that's what he's likely to get, because he's a Democrat.

and he's from California. So we'll watch the making of Gavin Newsom as he gets closer to this contest. They'll do it, you know, when he's closer to locking up the nomination. They won't give him the advantage over his fellow Democrats. But once it's if it's Gavin versus J.D. Vance or Marco Rubu, you watch. He's going to get polished. And he'll learn like my friend Melissa Francis, who started on Little House in the Prairie and then worked with me at Fox News. It does not count unless you produce real water. Real water has to come out of your eyes or we don't buy it, Gavin Hoda. Gavin Cotby.

Okay. Going back, my team actually just updated my information here on that horrific murder that we watched, the man, the Haitian TPS guy, killing the mom at the convenience store. And they tell us the following from Southwest Florida. The president of the Bangladesh Association, identifying the victim as Nalufa Isman, a mother of two daughters and member of the group. Isman was a devoted mom who worked tirelessly to provide for her two young daughters. Tragically, her life was cut short while she was at work in Fort Myers, Florida, leaving her

family and friends heartbroken. The loss of Isman has created an unimaginable void in the lives of her daughters, said Samir Budada Sayyed in a GoFundMe that he organized in support of her daughters. That is awful. I mean, think about it. You know, I talked about my sister who couldn't get a job at one of these facilities, but these Haitians can think about this poor woman. Like, where's like the NAACP, right? Like, don't you care about Americans of color?

What, like, what about her? It's like the left is so concerned about identity politics and grievance and all this is like, what? So you care about these guys from Haiti because the white, black thing, okay, we get it. You know, you're always going to go with people of color. What about her? This is a black woman who's. a mom to two black daughters. Where's your empathy for them? Do you care about them? I'm certainly, I know you wouldn't care of it or a white woman. Now, God forbid it or a white man. This would get

absolutely no coverage, which is basically what happened until Trump tweeted it out. How about her? Do you care? Now we learn the accused killer, Robert Joaquin just pleaded not guilty this week, despite reports that he admitted to killing her and he's on camera doing it. Enjoy prison. sir, thankfully it's in Florida. So God forbid he gets any sort of a short sentence when he's found guilty and then ultimately possibly gets out, which will be in the distant future since it's Florida, ideally never. Ice would work with the federal authorities to get him deported. Or I'm saying the local authorities would work with ICE to get him deported after the fact. Okay, what else is in the news today? Well, there is Eric Swalwell and the latest on him.

The left is having buyer's remorse. They're feeling very sad that their hero and the Trump Slayer, who they very much thought was going to be the next president of the United States. Remember, he ran in 2019. They thought he had presidential ambitions and a future there. But at least at a minimum would be like the main antagonist who said all the terrible things to Trump that they wanted to say. They're very disappointed that he turns out to be an alleged sexual predator.

I'm going to give you Kathy Griffin kind of parlayes off of what I just said, about why Gavin Newsom might be the nominee on how disappointed she is here in SOT 7. He was running for governor of California and he got caught with many, many R-word allegations and even R-word under the influence, meaning the survivor was, there's a chance that her drink was spiked. We're not going to go into those details. but I am going to be honest and say that until this, I was actually supporting Swalwell because I thought we're in this era of only freaking white straight guys can win. The other thing that sucks about the Swalwell situation is nobody's going to want his team.

So it's not like, oh, Swalwell can give his amazing team to the next person because their whole campaign missed it as well. So the How's that possible? What? Oh, I Because we've all known that guy. Let's just be honest.

We've all known that guy. Who's that weird lady on the right who's talking like this? What's wrong with these people? Who watches these shows? So Kathy Griffin is upset because she was supposed to like freaking white straight guys. And she did. And he turned out to be an alleged monster. Okay, she's going to have to lick those wounds for a long, long time because I don't think we're done with the news about Eric's Walwell. Here's Rosie O'Donnell. She too is upset.

Like spoke to him on the phone a couple times, donated money to him, I believe. Talked about him in some public appearances years ago about how I believed in him and his cute little family and two kids and standing up to all those people and he, you know, berates them for their moralist behavior. And then all this comes out about him. It's heartbreaking to me. You know, and I wrote him. I wrote him a little message. And I said, you know, Bill Clinton broke my heart. Now you did do. You know, the conclusion I've come to, men suck.

How will he ever recover? By the way, she's got blue hair. She's wearing Santa pajamas. Last I checked, it's April. And I think she lives in Florida. Why does she talk only out of her mouth? She doesn't move anything on her face. Not like her chin doesn't move.

Her cheeks do not move. She lifts her eyebrows occasionally. But her jigs only talks out of the lips. That's it. Nothing else moves on the face. It's very odd. By the way, this is a habit for Rosie. She wrote me a nasty little note on X.

She DM'd me when she read in my book that I never would have asked Trump that debate question if the only one he had said the horrible things about had, in fact, been Rosie O'Donnell. But in fact, it had been a pattern, and therefore I thought that question was fair game. She was incredibly disappointed in me that I wouldn't have asked that question if it had just been Rosie, who had sparred with him. She didn't realize how hateful she is. Like, truly, she doesn't, she sees herself as like a really sympathetic person and just Trump's victim.

Does not realize that is not how the rest of us seem. her. So they're really disappointed in Eric Swawa, and I'm not sure how he's going to reconcile with that. It really will be an adjustment for him not to be a hero of the left. I don't know what Eric Swalwell's future holds, but at this point, he'll be lucky if it doesn't include criminal charges. All right, we are back next with our health panel and a bunch of news you can use. Ever been in a bad relationship? You know, the kind that just wears you down, you settle in, even though deep down, you know this is not how it's supposed to be. Well, that's what daily aches and pains can feel like, you stop expecting to feel good. You start thinking, maybe this is just life now,

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known online for promoting a back-to-basics lifestyle by prioritizing animal-based nutrition, whole foods, and simple habits like walking, sleep, and natural movement. We've got a lot to get to, including some of your questions. Joining us now, double board certified doctor and founder of lineage, provisions, and heart and soil, Dr. Paul Saladino, and with him, New York Times best-selling author, founder of Primal Kitchen, and most recently the footwear brand Paluva, Mark Sisson. Mark, Paul, welcome. Thanks for having us. Yeah.

Great to see you both. Mark, you've been on the show before, and I have to tell you something very funny. So you, of course, created Primal Kitchen, which I love, and we get at Whole Foods. And I'm not much of a chef in the kitchen, but every time I cook a steak, which is now, like, at least once a week, we do have help in the kitchen. But when I have to do the kitchen cooking, I cook a steak, and I literally every time, because I'm not a good learner, I pull up a video. It's the same video of you making the same steak every time I can't seem to recall it. So you are in my kitchen with me at least once a week teaching me over and over and over again how to make a steak. So thank you for that.

No, it's my pleasure. And by the way, is that the mayonnaise steak or just a regular steak? No, it's just a regular steak. It's one where you've got, there's a Primal Kitchen marinade that's like a balsamic that I can use. But there's another video I'll use of you. It's just salt and pepper and in a butter. Great. Love it. Okay.

So, Doc, it's great to see you too. We haven't yet spoken, but I like a lot of what you're saying here. So let me start with you because one of your talking points relates to cholesterol. And this is still, I think, something that's very misunderstood. You know, every doctor, every doctor wants to put their patients on a statin now. Even my own doctor said he thinks that statins should be in the water supply. But my hormones doctor said absolutely not. cholesterol is actually very good for you, for your brain and for your hormones. So where do you stand on the issue of cholesterol? It's such a controversial topic, Megan. It's, I think we have a lot of

unanswered questions. Though Western medicine and mainstream lipidology makes it seem like this is a case closed, like you said, statin should be in the drinking water, when you look at the evidence, and when you look at some really interesting recent studies, there are some really profound questions about how cholesterol affects the risk of human cardiovascular disease in certain contexts. And what I mean by that is when I think about cholesterol as a doctor, I'm thinking about it in the context of your metabolic health, rather than just looking at your cholesterol numbers in the vacuum. And I've seen this over and over, whether I'm reading posts on X, I find these anecdotes on X, particularly interesting. And I see this over and over. People will say, my doctor missed a heart

attack. My cholesterol was actually normal. So your LDL level and these people was normal, but the doctors didn't check blood markers that can easily indicate metabolic health or lack thereof, things like a fasting insulin. Most doctors will look at things like a fasting glucose or a hemoglobin A1C, which are just blood markers. But a lot of the doctors don't think about the overall context of your metabolic health, even looking at thyroid hormone markers when they're evaluating your lipids. And so it's important, I think, on both, sides of the spectrum. So even at quote unquote low or acceptable levels of LDL cholesterol, which is the main molecule that doctors get worried about, we have to be thinking about metabolic

health and you can miss cardiovascular risk if you're not looking at things like thyroid labs and fasting insulin, fasting glucose, hemoglobin A1C. And then at the other end also, a lot of us, I think if we're eating reasonable amounts of animal foods, which I will talk about this in this show today, I think are very important for humans. We might see the LDL cholesterol go above levels that most doctors would like it to be under. For instance, my LDL cholesterol is probably around 120 or 130 milligrams per deciliter. But I think that we have a long way before we can fully say that this represents an increased risk of cardiovascular disease for humans, especially without the context of your metabolic health. And like I said, there's been some recent

studies that came out showing people with even much higher levels of cholesterol who were generally metabolically healthy and they showed absolutely zero correlations. So the connection between the level of LDL and the incidence of cardiovascular disease was essentially zero. So it's a much more complicated picture than most people are led to believe. And I think it gets to what you were hinting at earlier and something that I think Mark and I both believe, which is it's not just one lab marker, right? It's the entirety of your health, which must be interpreted together if we're looking at labs and we're looking at cholesterol. So how metabolically healthy are you? That's the key question. And very few doctors are thinking about that. Mark, when you were on last, we talked about

diet and you're a big fan of the steak. We all are here. And you said something that stuck with me, which was, you know, you're big on the steak. Some vegetables, you said almost none. Like you were actually rethinking it because of all the chemicals that the vegetables are grown in and how hard it is to find ones that haven't been poisoned, basically. So where do you stand today on vegetables? Same. I sort of arranged my diet around protein first, and typically that's red meat, but there's fish there too, and not a lot of poultry, but mostly red meat. In terms of, and then I've added fruit back in a little bit, but in terms of vegetables, I'm not eating that much. not because, you know, I'm afraid of these phytochemicals, these plant toxins that Paul

actually has written a lot about, that plants really don't want to be eaten. That's their natural defense. But mostly because I'm pairing my diet down. I did a thought experiment a bunch of years ago, which was not to see what's the most amount of food I can eat and not gain weight, but what's the least amount of food I can eat and maintain muscle mass or build muscle mass, have all the energy I want, not get sick, and most importantly, not be hungry. hungry. So if I arrange my diet starting with protein first and then add in a little bit of maybe starchy carbs and then know that I'm going to have some fruit later on the day, there's not, I don't want to fill up my sections with vegetables if I've got a better use of

that space. So, you know, I don't try to stay away from vegetables. I like the crunchiness of vegetables once in a while. I like a decent, you know, rockolini or I like, you know, Brussels sprouts once in a while. You like a mushroom. That's what you're in your video I watch all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Mushrooms, sure.

But I'm not, you know, there was, I spent 10 years talking about the big ass salad, right? And I had this giant salad every day, or the main part of my diet. And, you know, as I've evolved my own way of eating over the years, that sort of fell by the wayside in service to this, this idea that I want to see like what's the sort of, I don't want to make it sound like I'm, you know, some ascetic and I'm living a monk-like lifestyle where I'm trying to, you know, avoid food, but just what's the least amount of food it takes for me to be happy and healthy and productive and lean and fit. So do you skip breakfast now? You just do lunch and dinner? And if so, what do you do at lunch? Yeah, so I skip breakfast, sure. So that's,

I think that's one of the important aspects that I develop over the last 10 years in developing what I call metabolic flexibility, which is the ability of the body to extract energy from your own stored body fat at rest when you're not eating. A lot of people assume they have to eat every three hours or whatever to maintain their energy throughout the day. If you develop this metabolic flexibility, you can extract energy from your own stored body fat. Well, what that looks like to me is I wake up in the morning, I have a cup of coffee, but I'm not, I'm not hungry. I don't feel like I need something to get the day started. I do a workout at 10 or 10.30. I'm fasted. I have all the energy I need for that workout. So my first meal is typically around 1 o'clock or 1.30 in the

So yeah, I eat two meals a day. Actually, I wrote a book called Two Meals a Day. And I have it. I have audio and actual book. Great. Great. And, you know, again, it's sort of this idea that I think generally people assume that they need 3,000 calories a day to get through life. And it's probably 30 or 40 percent less than that. If you develop not just metabolic flexibility, but efficiency, If you're really efficient with how you consume your calories and how you train and don't, you know, like I wrote a whole book last year called Born to Walk, which sort of ragged on the running boom of the last 50 years as being inappropriate for people who think they want to lose weight by running. So it's really, it comes back to this developing metabolic flexibility through a combination of selecting protein as sort of the main basis of the diet, certainly accommodating your hunger needs. eats throughout the day, but also just being able to go long periods of time, very comfortable not eating. And that's kind of what, and then as Paul would talk about, like for instance,

your fasting insulin, that will lower your fasting insulin because you become very insulin sensitive and, you know, you find that you're circulating insulin lowers as a result of there not being a lot of food around on a regular basis. And that all develops this, again, this cardiometabolic health in addition to just basic metabolic flexibility, which allows you to arrive at your ideal body composition. So it all kind of works to be up. So are you doing two stakes a day? What are you doing for your lunch? No, so, I mean, normally like it'll be a piece of fish, maybe some salmon for lunch. And it's, by the way, it's not a big lunch. It's, I mean, I look at my, I look at the pundits now in the space, speaking of protein, who talk about a pound of a body weight.

I'm like, geez, I mean, I don't know anybody who could do that. I know. You know, getting protein. It's a ton of protein. Yeah. So for me, it's like I think if you're a man, you probably don't, there's probably no context in which you need more than 120 grams of protein in a day. And what that looks like for me is if I can get, you know, 40 at lunch through some fish

and, you know, whatever else I'm having. And then maybe a protein shake, by the way, in the middle of the day. And then, you know, a decent size steak at night. And that'll cover all the bases for me. Yep. What do you make of that, Paul? I think that there's a lot there. We covered a lot. So I've had my own interesting path with vegetables. I think that when you look at this from a botanical perspective, vegetables definitely, which are the non-fruit parts of plants,

so like leaves and stems and roots and seeds, they definitely have defense chemicals, and some people, myself included, can be uniquely sensitive to them. I think that for most people, vegetables are not going to be a major issue. If you like them, there are certainly a healthy addition to the human diet,

especially when they're prepared properly with attention to their potential plant defense chemicals, but most of us can probably eat vegetables without much issue. For those people out there listening that may have autoimmune issues, and this is a wide variety of things, this is where I think you need to start to question whether all of the foods you're eating are actually serving you or interacting with your immune system in the proper way.

So this is my story, and through sharing it over the last seven to eight years, I've met now hundreds, if not thousands of people who have had similar stories and reversed things. I mean, my own eczema is very sensitive to foods, and not even junk foods. I'm talking about foods we might consider to be healthy can trigger my eczema, like nightshade vegetables, things like white potatoes sometimes do or tomatoes, which are technically a fruit, but often considered vegetables.

So this idea that like all unprocessed foods work for all people is interesting. I think it's a great start to the diet, but if you have autoimmune issues, it could be skin issues, exoma psoriasis. A lot of these gut issues are very responsive to intentional selection of certain foods in the human diet, some permutation of an elimination diet. You see ulcerative colitis, Crohn's, IBS. And again, it's very individual, and it doesn't work for everyone, but there's something there. And I think that's a useful tool for people who are not finding answers, and they have persistent chronic health issues or autoimmune disease that is unresolved.

And then you can end up on long-term medications with major side effects. Some of these medications for psoriasis or eczema or inflammatory bowel diseases are quite problematic for a lot of humans. I've even met people who said that their doctors wanted to remove their whole colon, colon, you know, in ulcerative colitis, it's often to have a colectomy, a total colectomy, or a partial colostomy, resulting in a colostomy bag. And for a lot of these people, simply changing what foods they were eating was able to reverse their condition, which is interesting to me. On the protein front, I think Mark is right.

When you look at the data, even in like bodybuilders, 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight is basically more. than anyone needs. And this is assuming someone is not taking performance enhancing drugs or steroids. Once you start doing that, who knows, everything's out the window and you're certainly playing with fire from a health perspective. But yeah, I think for most people, 0.6 to 0.8 grams of protein at a functional level is probably going to be plenty of protein. And as Mark is- per pound of you. Yes, yes. Sorry, thank you. Point-6 to 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight. As Mark is saying, the animal protein is important here. because when you look at the bioavailability of protein, there's a big drop off here.

There's a big divide between plants and animal protein. And so if you want to eat predominantly plant protein, you're going to miss out on unique nutrients that occur in animal foods and you're going to have to eat more of it. If you make the majority of your protein or a significant amount of the protein in your diet from animal foods, if you want to be red meat or fish or chicken, that's fine. Sourcing matters, that's going to be better from a protein perspective for humans. this is important for muscle maintenance, repair, tissue, stability, right, the laxity of joints or the repair of injuries, and overall longevity. I mean, there are good studies in humans that

can directly relate animal food consumption to longevity. They're just not the studies we hear about because the mainstream political or media machine doesn't want to tell us these things. But, I mean, there's large studies showing that even when we account or correct for GDP, or other aspects of countries, across 175 countries, the meat was directly correlated with longevity, perhaps representing 90% of the world's population. No, there was just one out of Scandinavia.

It was Denmark, I think, showing one serving of red meat a day, although they wound up saying it didn't necessarily have to be red meat, but meat a day, significantly lowered the risk of Alzheimer's for people who have. have the gene. Like, it lowered their risk down to the same risk as somebody who doesn't have the gene.

Like, that's so crazy. And, you know, of course, when we grew up, it was all red meat was so stigmatized. It was like, you're going to have a heart attack. All they cared about was that LDL. It's very hard to let go of those narratives, right? Because we don't want to die of a heart attack. But it turns out all that stuff that they were stuffing down our throats in the 90s is what causes heart attacks. All that processed foods. I mean, this is something you guys are. both big, and I love your videos on Ex-Paul, where you walk us through the store and you're like, don't drink this. And by the way, the paper cup has a plastic lining. All the things that we're taking in that we think are better for us, or at least harmless, that aren't. It's difficult.

Yeah. In that study, which I think was really cool, people who have the APOE4 variant did show a decreased risk of dementia when they had some servings of red meat, and it was the unprocessed red meat. And this is the problem with a lot of the data we see coming out. Not bacon. What's that? Yeah, well, maybe probably not bacon. In other words, not bacon. Not bacon.

The nice steak unprocessed, grassbed. Ground beef, right? Chicken breast, grilled fish, you know, a stew with beef, these kind of things. Not deli meat, right? Not hot dogs. Not bacon. And for a variety of reasons. But what we know is that when you take these processed meats, they often add various types of nitrates

as preservatives. And then before you eat them, there are compounds called n-nitroso compounds that can be formed. And then in your body, these n-nitroso compounds can be formed as well. And so that's potentially damaging for the human gut. And there's studies that show that when you eat the processed meat that is more likely to damage the DNA of your gut epithelial cells. And that's probably the beginning of the path to precancerous lesions. Red meat that's unprocessed doesn't really do that to the same degree, if at all.

And then there's lots of evidence that if you're eating your red meat, If you're concerned about red meat because you grew up in the 90s like I did, then you can eat it with fruit, vitamin C, acidic marinerades. You can eat it with vegetables. And that significantly mitigates the formation of any of these potentially carcinogenic compounds. So we're kind of back to this, I think, very reasonable, very sensible perspective that, hey, look, these are foods that humans have always eaten throughout our history. like eat some plants, eat some meat, and eat very few processed foods, and you're going to do fine. And a lot of the narratives to the contrary are just, they're concerning and they're just not based in actual scientific fact. And they don't make sense historically.

And they lead to humans to be unhealthy. It's like, I can't remember who said it, but it was eat real food, not too much. Bye. Yeah. Like, yeah. So the other thing that you say, Mark, I know, is like, as you. you're coming up with your guidelines, there is a boogeyman. It's not red meat. It's sugar. It's very, it's sugar. It's addictive. And it's in everything. You know, so it's very hard to cut out.

And once it's in there, you got the Jones for it, very hard to break free of it. So walk us through the sugar problem. Well, you know, I would say if I've been asked in the past, you know, like what's the one thing you would change about your diet that would maybe decrease your risk for pretty much all-caused mortality? And it would be getting sugar out of your diet. But, you know, when we talk about sugar, we're talking, there are a lot of variants of this. There's, you know, obvious pies, cakes, candies, cookies, sweetened beverages, sweetened drinks, and then sugar added to everything else.

There's also, by the way, the concept that, you know, most processed grains convert to glucose almost immediately in the body. So whenever you eat some flour-based processed food, whether it's pasta, breads, cereals, you know, those convert to glucose, glucose is sugar. So there's some reliance that we've had on carbohydrate as the basis of the human diet, or at least the basis of the American diet for the last 50 years, and somehow suggesting that we get 300 grams a day of carbohydrate in, when you understand that carbohydrate, almost all of it converts to glucose,

and then what do you do with that glucose? you don't need that much glucose. So the body either stores it as fat, maybe stores some as glycogen. But also it creates this requirement the brain has for living on glucose. I mean, the brain expects glucose now every couple of hours. And again, if you haven't developed this metabolic flexibility, if you haven't developed this ability to extract energy from your own stored body fat, if you haven't become what I call fat adapted by restricting carbohydrate or restrictive eating,

timing your meals like two meals a day or intermittent fasting as they call it, you continue to rely on this intake of glucose. The brain continues to rely on glucose. And when you don't get glucose or sugar, you have this craving for sweets all the time. And it's one of the reasons that people, when I say people who embark on a running program to lose weight, they go out and they burn off all the glycogen in their muscles

because they're not good at burning fat because they run too hard for what they're trying to do. so they burn the glycogen. They get home from their run. Now they're sitting on the sofa going, oh my God, that was such a valuable workout. I sweated. I melted off all this fat.

Well, you didn't. You burned off the glycogen. And now the brain is going, wait, wait, wait. If we're going to do this again tomorrow, we have to eat more glucose. And glucose, again, and sugar are pretty much synonymous. And so now we're going for the sweetened, you know, the Gatorade or whatever the sports drink is.

And there's a tendency over time to overcompensate. And actually the brain says, you know, if we're going to do this again tomorrow, I better be sure we're ready. And so over time, you see people have been running for 10 or 15 years, not running the right way, not running with the right, you know, sort of strategy for Zone 2 training. And they don't gain, they don't lose weight. They stay the same weight, except now they, because running is catabolic, they burn off a little bit of extra muscle. And now some of that same weight has become more fat. So they become what we call skinny fat. Again, if you get rid of- That's the cardio bunny too. Pardon me.

What's that? That's the cardio bunny, too, that we see in the gym. 100%. And it's this idea that if one sole cycle workout a day is good, two must be better. And then, you know, four days a week or five days a week. And you see it. It becomes catabolic. And it becomes this, it's very unhealthy.

And, you know, we could segue into that. But wait, Mark, give them the good news because you're not a complete teetotaler when it comes to sugar. we are allowed to have a little dark chocolate. It has to be, what, over 80%? Sure. A little bit of anything is okay. We're still now we're talking about dosage, right? So when I say if you can develop metabolic flexibility,

if you develop this ability to become good at going long periods of time without eating and not have it affect your mental capacity, your mood, your hunger levels, then a little bit of sweets every once in a while, not a bad thing. It's probably, I could even make an argument that it might be a good thing, a little bit. But so I'm... Can I just interject? So what you're saying is, for those of us who get like brain fog when we haven't eaten, or, you know, you get that, you feel weak, you're saying that that can be overcome with practice of having longer stints without eating.

100%. This is, this is what I've been teaching and preaching for the last 15 years is this idea of metabolic flexibility. And it started out with, you know, with my book, the keto reset diet, which showed people how to use a ketogenic diet to reset the metabolism, not to live the rest of your life in a keto. I mean, I just think that's not just fun, right? But to use these tools and strategies like restricted eating and cutting back on the carbs and exercising appropriately, you can actually develop some of this metabolic flexibility by doing a lot of walking and then a little bit of springton or a little bit of lifting weights.

But ironically, you can't really develop it by running 30 or 40 miles a week metronomically at 10-minute miles. So there are specific strategies that encourage your body to develop, literally to upregulate the enzymes and the gene systems that help you burn more fat and increase the amount of mitochondria in your muscles so that you're burning fat at rest. I mean, it's a beautiful thing because not only do you trend toward an ideal body composition, but your life is not run by you being tethered to some eating schedule or by your hunger. And, you know, yeah.

Paul, can you speak to, because I noticed one of the things you like, and I know that organ meat is big, but most of us can't stomach it. But you actually have a pill that we can take. So I want to know about the pill. I want to know if it tastes like testicle, because that's what's in there. And what else we should be taking that's supplemental? Yeah. Can I just say a couple of words about. sugar, and then I'll get into that.

Totally, totally. This is super interesting to me. I completely agree with Mark, and I just wanted to add for people, there's a really interesting dichotomy between natural sources of sugar, fruit and honey that's raw and preferably organic, and processed sugar. So with processed sugar, which is what Mark is describing, you have sucrose on your table is a disaccharide of glucose and fructose. And there are other monosaccharides that, like galactose.

found in lactose and milk, but generally we're looking at fructose and glucose. What's so interesting to me when you look at this research is that glucose and fructose in isolation appear to be harmful for the human body, table sugar, like Mark is describing processed grains in which the phytochemicals in the grains have been stripped away. There are polymers of glucose, amylose and amyloatin that get broken down into pure glucose in your body and past your stomach. It looks like a glucose bolus. And so these are harmful for humans probably at the level of your gut flora because when these monosaccharides, these simple sugars arrive to these trillions of bacteria that live in your small intestine and in your colon, they just cause overgrowth. It's just like you're pouring gasoline in the fire and these bacteria kind of grow without any sort of check. But what's fascinating is that when you consume fruit, it doesn't lead to the same dysbiosis, which is this pathogenic overgrowth to the wrong type of bacteria in your gut. the same is true with honey because these foods are complex. There are hundreds, if not thousands of chemicals and phytochemicals. I mean, there's some fascinating analyses of honey. It's probably

six to 700 chemicals just in honey. We think, oh, that's just sugar. But it's so complicated. And then we're disrespecting the bees, which are incredible creatures. We shouldn't do that. And the same with the mango or an apple. This is a complex food with fiber, but with hundreds of chemicals that appear to mitigate pathogenic dysbiosis of the bacteria in your gut. So I just want people to understand that moderate amounts of fruit or a good quality honey can totally be a part of a healthy diet for humans. I think you should eat them in proportion to. What is good quality honey? How do we find that? Like when we go to, what store do we go to and what do we look for? Good quality honey is a little tricky. So when you go to the grocery store and you're looking for honey, you want it to be

preferably organic, which means that the bees are in a radius of three to five miles where There's no crops sprayed with pesticides, and they're not using pesticides in the hive. And then you want the honey to be raw. You don't want them to heat the honey in the processing. And then there's, you probably want the honey to be packaged in glass. And if you can get the honey from a local producer, that's great. One of the things I'm proud of is that lineage, we source the honey from the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico, and we tested it's glyphosate free, it's pesticide free, it's organic and it's raw.

And so if you haven't had that honey, I'll send you some, Megan. And I've got to send you some too, Mark, if you haven't tried. It's really good, but that's what you want in a honey is basically as close as you can to putting on a bee suit, which is an incredible experience, and getting the honey out of the hive from the bees, that's what you want. The honey and the plastic bears is not what you want. So there's a real dichotomy there. That's different, right? Literally what's in everybody's cabinet right now. You do not want that. And so that's the spiel on honey and fruit. When it comes to things that's in no one's cabinet, we can talk about the organs. So anthropology is fascinating to me. I spent a couple of weeks with the Hadesa, some of the last hunter-gatherers left on the planet a few years ago in Tanzania. And I mean, these men and women live in thatched huts. They're migratory. They're nomadic.

They have no phones. They have no running water. They have no money. It's incredible. But you see this across our predecessors and historical humans. When animal foods are eaten, they're eaten from nose to tail. Now, if you go to whole foods or sprouts or any grocery store, we don't see liver or heart or intestines. in the butcher counter for a variety of reasons.

I don't think any of us would buy them, and they're just not, they offend our delicate sensibilities, which is fine, but there are unique nutrients in those organs that can be beneficial for humans. And so if we can get them, that's a great thing,

but if we don't want to eat them fresh, then one of the, the first company that I built was hardened soil. And I thought of my mom and my sister and my dad as I was learning about the unique nutrients in organs and the way they complement animal muscles, and muscle meat. And I thought, they're never going to eat organs. So let me just build a company where you can take these organs, you freeze dry them, you get them from grass-fed cattle that are

raised in New Zealand, you know, super clean cattle. And then you put them in a gelatin or a collagen capsule. So when you take them, Megan, it doesn't taste like liver. It's just a collagen capsule. And it's a great, it's a great sort of stepping stone, right? I would prefer that people try to eat fresh organs, either in a paté. You can now find some producers like Force of nature, I know. We'll do organ grinds, or you can find some of these farmers market ground meats where they have these primal blends and they'll grind in a little heart or a little liver into the ground beef, which is a great thing. But I'd rather people eat fresh organs. But if you can't, getting the desiccated or the freeze-dried organs can be really helpful for people.

And so, yeah, there are capsules. Do you eat liver? I do eat liver, yes, a couple of times a week at least. Yeah, just a little bit, though. You don't need a lot. I got to say, my nana, she lived to be 101 years old. She loved liver. She ate liver and onions. I thought it was delicious. I don't, I think you got to, like, start eating it when you're in the single digits. I just can't imagine, like, starting that at this phase of life, although I wish I could. Okay, what about butter, Marxist, and because I make my steak with butter, is that what I see you doing on your videos? And what's the conventional wisdom on grass-fed butter? Is it killing us, or is preferable to Pam spray?

Look, I think it's one of the best things you can eat is grass-fed butter. So, I mean, it's one of the tastiest, most delicious compliments to any meal. Yeah, I mean, when you're comparing it to, you know, oleo and margarine of the 50s and 60s, when everybody thought that was the way to go, or Pam or any of the spray on, you know, artificial stuff, there's no comparison at all. I mean, butter is really the gold standard for me. and I use it very frequently. You know, I cook eggs in butter.

I cook steak in butter. I put butter on whatever vegetables I am having. Slather it in butter. I mean, I'm just, I'm a huge fan of butter. And again, you know, when we talk about fat intake, I'm not looking to increase my fat. I'm looking to be, you know, get that level of fat that assuages my, you know, takes my appetite and makes it.

makes me happy that I've had something to eat. I'm not, I'm not looking to add in a lot of fat, which I think in the past couple of years, we've seen some of the keto diet, people go, well, you know, it's a fat-based diet, and so the more butter you can put on. No, it's just a, it's a connoment that you add to, and otherwise a great-tasting piece of food that just adds that little touch to it. Unfortunately, the same is not true. You say, Paul, of peanut butter, which is kind of heartbreaking. I know. I used to love peanut butter, too. So this is really interesting. Mark and I were talking about this before the show. There's two types of peanut butter in the grocery store, right? The type of peanut butter that I grew up with, which is the GIF, which we know is full of processed sugar. We've talked about that. It's also full of a lot of hydrogenated oils and seed oils. And that's why it doesn't separate. So GIF is basically like a candy spread, which is why we loved it so much as kids. And I don't think anyone is going to argue that a GIF peanut butter is healthy. So then there's a healthy option for peanut butter.

right? And I'll put healthy in quotes. That's the natural peanut butter that you find in the store. And it's fresh ground peanuts and you have to mix it together because the oil's on top. But what we're missing here is that there are actual studies looking at this oil on top of the peanut butter, which is peanut oil. And that oil from a peanut is highly polyunsaturated, which means it's very susceptible to oxidation or rancidity, rust. And that goes rancid with peroxide values above 80 million equivalents per kilogram, which is just a metric that we use to see how rusted or rancid in oil is. And 80 is very high. It goes to that level within four weeks, Megan. What's crazy about this is when you look at those natural peanut butterers on the shelf of a grocery store, they have a shelf life of 12 to 18 months.

So many of them, and I used to eat these, are frankly rancid, and they're going to create problems in humans when you're eating them. So this isn't to say don't eat peanuts if you like peanut butter, but two things to consider. You don't want moldy peanuts. We know that peanuts are high in aflatoxin, which is a known carcinogen. It's strongly linked to liver cancer from a mold that grows on peanuts called aspergillus. So peanut butter is often more moldy and more high in an aphotoxin than fresh peanuts. But if you want to make peanut butter for yourself or your kids. The ideal thing to do would be to go to the store that has one of the fresh ground peanut things or to make your own peanut butter to take the peanuts, preferably organic,

and grind them yourself and then eat that peanut butter within a week, five days, because you know that it's going to be problematic. And then you should not store that peanut butter on your countertop. You store the peanut butter in the fridge. That makes it harder to spread. Oh my gosh. Who knew? That preserves the peanut butter significantly longer. So when you refrigerate the peanut butter, the path to acidity is much more slow. So if you grind your own peanut butter, you're starting with something that's much healthier and safer from an oxidative stress perspective, and then you have to store it in the fridge. And I would still eat it fairly quickly. So it's not the end of the world. Just have to be preparing it intentionally.

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protections. Find out more at guard your card.com and consider telling Congress to guard your card. Talk to me about the walking and can we zero in on the sprinting. I was glad when I reviewed your talking points to see that I only have to sprint once every seven to 10 days. but I don't, to this moment, really know how to do it, how much of it to do, what it looks like. I like the walking, but just walk us through that exercise, the exercise plan that you recommend. Yeah, so, you know, when I created the primal blueprint 20 years ago, I looked at ancestral patterns that created strong, lean, fit humans, and there's a lot of walking. So humans are, we are, you know, we're bipedal, we're built, we're born to walk. That was the title of my book, born to walk.

So we're not, we're not, we're born to be able to run, but we're not born to run metronomically, again, day in a day out. We're born to walk a lot. Like many times a day, we're upright. It's the single greatest thing you could do is the quintessential human movement is walking. But sprinting, if you look at what our ancestors did once in a while, they got chased by some, you know, beast or they had to chase after some beast. And so sprinting is part of the expectation of the genetic recipe that we all have that wants us to be strong. And so this requirement, this expectation that our recipe has for us to go out and do something really, really high intensity for a short burst of time, not every day, but once in a while.

And we've settled upon like if once a week you can have a sprint day. And what does that look like? It doesn't mean you have to run sprints at the track. It means you could do sprints on an elliptical trainer. You could do them on a bike. You could do them on an assault bike. There's lots of ways that you can find. treadmill to go all out as hard as you can for let's say 20 seconds or 30 seconds then take a short rest

a minute and a half two minute rest do it again for 20 or 30 seconds short rest and like i would say six of them is a good number six work sets this becomes i did it yesterday i did 10 i did 10 sprints in 20 minutes, and each sprint was like 70 yards, 80 yards, in 20 minutes, I was done. I was what they called truly knackered. I mean, I was tired to the point that I didn't feel like I needed to do anything else for the rest of the day. And I was sort of satisfied in my mind that, okay, I've done that. I don't have to do that again for another week.

And it's short enough and sweet enough that it's not grueling. It's not grinding. It's not like you're having to overcome discomfort for long periods of time. I think anybody can go 20 seconds or 30 seconds really hard, then take a break and do it again. So now if you want to go to the track, Megan, and learn how to sprint, we can arrange that. And it's probably the most, you know, truly effective, again, quintessential human movement is to actually sprint running. But you can do it with other modalities. And here's the great news about that.

There's no better way of getting a firm bottom than sprinting. It's, that's the thing. If you want a tight ass sprint, it's better than squats. It's better than lunges. It's better than everything. Just sprint, but you probably have to do it a little bit more than once a week. So this is, you know what's funny is, you're right. You're 100% right. And I would say sprinting as an adjunct is in addition to a day of squats and a day of lunges or, you know, have a leg day in there. I'm saying like my minimum effective dose of exercise would be walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk. Walk, walk. walk, lots of low-level activity throughout the week, twice a week, go to the gym and lift weights, maybe upper body, maybe full body. One of those days, make it a leg day, and then one day go do sprints. And you will get to 85 to 90% of your genetic potential fitness, also provided you get the diet dialed in because, you know, 85% of your body composition is determined by how you eat, you know, how your body burns off its own store of body fat. But that's the metric. That's the minimum effective dose. And for building a booty, absolutely.

that sprinting is like, it's key. But, you know, I'm not saying don't do lunges. Don't do squats as well. Yeah. No, I'm saying, I'm saying, if you look at the bodies of the sprinters at the Olympics versus the bodies of the marathon runners, you see the difference. The sprinters have the amazing, round, hard bottoms. And the marathon runners are teeny, tiny, skinny, with no bottom, which is not exactly

what John. Okay, Doc, I want to get a viewer question into you. here is, okay, Olga G. asks, she's concerned about microplastics that seem to be everywhere. How do you support your body and possibly detox those? And it's related to what Leonardo S, which is what's the best way to detox your whole body. A lot of people worried about those microplastics,

which is like even if your house has as little of that as possible, you're breathing it. You're breathing it in in the air at this point. You're drinking it. So what's the best way? I think the detoxing microplastics starts with limiting your intake. we we don't really know the best way that the human body can get rid of these there's some speculation they can happen in the sauna i don't really buy it they're just not that size of particle and it's important

to people understand detoxing yeah well detoxing microplastics you know potentially heavy metals in the sauna or other volatile compounds which can be in the in the sweat but microplastics in the sauna i'm skeptical i think that there are you got to start with just not intaking them and i think that people don't understand where we're getting these from, and that's the big problem. Yes, you could imagine that if you're drinking out of a plastic bottle, that that's going to have microplastics. But like you said, Megan, I was really surprised when I realized this, and that's why I've talked about it so much that the paper coffee cups we get from any coffee store are lined with plastic. And anytime you're putting boiling water into plastic, it is just exploding

microplastics. And let's just talk numbers, right? So there was a study done at Columbia, University, and they're using a special type of microscopy, which is really the gold standard for assaying microplastics and nanoplastics. And this is, the distinction is made based on the size of the plastic particle. If you're less than one micrometer, if you're in the denominator range, you're talking about nanoplastics. And I think this is the major issue that most people are not talking about. So Columbia looks at bottled water, 250,000 nanoplastics per liter, 250,000. Now, the same could probably be said of these coffee cups when you pour. boiling water into them. I'm thinking half a million to a million micro nanoplastics per

liter. There was also a study done at Columbia looking at a can of Coca-Cola. I don't think people realize this. Cans are lined with plastic invariably. Soup cans, soda cans, energy drink cans, beer cans. A can of Coca-Cola had 3.7 million nanoplastics. And this possibly is because it's an acidic drink because it has the sulfuric acid and these acids and the benzodiaic acid and the Coca-Cola, but an acidic drink in a plastic container is probably even more microplastic. So I think we need more research because you look at what people are drinking out of, and it's just, it's all cans now, or plastic bottles, or soup cans. Soup cans are filled hot. So that's essentially the equivalent of a coffee cup lined with plastic. And so if you're just thinking about, okay, don't store your

food in plastic, don't cook in plastic, don't reheat your food in plastic. But when you're drinking water or other beverages, do your best to use glass or stainless steel, nobody's going to be perfect. But that's the first step is really just understanding the total load that humans are exposed to. And I think that's the biggest lack that we have in our knowledge gap right now is that I don't think we understand how much of these we're exposed to. And then I think once you do that, the body has mechanisms. We will detox, whether this is through the poop or the pee. Your body will figure it out as best as possible.

just stop intaking them. There's some evidence that certain probiotics, maybe some fermented foods can help with their breakdown in the gut. But you just, I think the best advice is just make sure that you have regular bowel movements, hopefully every day. Eating healthy foods will help with that

and then limit your intake. And that's probably the best you can do beyond really extreme metrics or methods, which are probably not something people need to know. There are some blood cleaning procedures that might be useful, but they're just not accessible to most people today. Mark, what about

supplements. I know you like creatine, which is like everybody's talking about creatine now. Is that just for guys? Is that for men and women? And like, what exactly is that going to do for us? You know, creatine is probably the most benign supplement you can take. I built a career manufacturing supplements for 30 years. Before Primal Kitchen and the foods, I was a supplement manufacturer. So I've been in the business for a long time. I don't take that many supplements anymore. I just realized that, again, back to this concept of minimum effective dose of whatever it is in my life, minimum effective dose of exercise, minimum effective dose of food, and now minimum effective dose of supplements. So I take collagen because it's sort of a nose-to-tail concept

that Paul talks about, and I take creatine. But I take it, I cycle it on and off because I think the body gets used to creatine over time. And the benefits for men that largely are in terms of muscle building. if you're doing a lot of training in the gym, creatine sort of gives you that ability to do 12 repetitions of something you could only do 10 of yesterday. And in that regard, it's allowing you to do more work, which then prompts the genes to upregulate to build more muscle. Creatine is a cell volumizer, which just makes the muscles look bigger.

So for guys, that's sort of the reason that guys use creatine. Women are now using creatine, and now there's a lot of studies that show that maybe creatine is assisting with brain chemistry and brain health. So there's a good reason to do that. I think, again, once I'm seeing sort of a pendulum swinging way out to one side where if five grams of creatine was great, then 15 must be amazing and 20 must be even better. I think that's probably inaccurate. I think you can overdo creatine and it can have an effect on, you know, kidney function, for instance, if you do too much of it. So, yeah, there's some lady all over my

Twitter right now, and like everybody's podcast saying, I should be taking 20 grams of creatine, and that'll make me super focused. If I have a podcast to do, I'm like, I've never taken creatine ever. And then I'm looking at like the side effects that says bloating, which you can get off of five grams, never mind 20. Like, okay, so I'm going to be super sharp, but I'm going to look like I'm eight months pregnant. Well, that's, that's the cell volumizer. It, you know, it causes cells to retain water. So in the muscle, that's a good thing, but, you know, throughout the body, especially if you're taking in 20 grams, I mean, as a guy, the most of the most, you know, I've ever taken is probably 12 grams on a regular basis. So 20 for a small woman would be,

I just, I don't understand the science behind it at all. So like any of these things, you know, it's having its moment. By the way, creatine's been around for 40 years. It was big in the 80s and 90s and then it sort of disappeared and now it's having its moment again. And you see this with a lot of the supplements, you know, an acetyl cysteine, you know, phosphatyl syrin, resveratrol, they come and go over years. But in the case of creatine, I just think It's benign if you take it in the right amounts. I wouldn't overdo it. I certainly wouldn't take 20 grams a day.

Okay, Paul, what do you think about supplements? And also our pal Britt Mayer writes in wanting to know your thoughts on peptides and also nicotine. Nicotine. So your thoughts on supplements, peptides, and nicotine. Okay. I just want to say something about creatine too, maybe for you specifically, Megan, but I know that a lot of women have this concern of bloating with creatine. And this is very interesting. So creatine monohydrate, which is probably by far the best research form of creatine that humans can take, is not very soluble in water at room temperature.

And so dry scooping creatine is a very bad idea because it is a cell volumizer and it holds onto water, if you dry scoop creatine or you're drinking a creatine drink, and even five grams of creatine is not going to be soluble in less than maybe 18 to 24 ounces of water, you're going to get undissolved creatine in your gut. to pull in water from the gut cells and that's going to give you bloating and potentially even other unpleasant GI things. So if you get bloating with lower doses of creatine, you just want to drink it with more water or drink it with slightly warmed water where it will be more soluble. So creatine that's dissolved in water fully is going to be much less likely to cause bloating when men or women take it. But I think about this specifically because my girlfriend wanted to take creatine, but she said it always caused bloating and doing this, adding more more water was really helpful for her. So that's important because I think creatine can be helpful for people,

but a lot of men and women run into this bloating issue, and it's just the form factor by which they're taking it. So for women, I mean, because most women don't want to build up their muscle bulk, but you're saying it could help with possibly brain fog. I mean, I think creatine is a valuable thing. It occurs in meat. It occurs, especially in red meat. It's one of the things that's been found to be valuable in red meat. And very few of us are eating two kilograms of meat per day, which is the amount of meat you'd have, or excuse me, one kilogram of meat or two pounds of meat per day, which is the amount of meat, give or take, you'd have to eat. Mark's, he's getting close. Wait, stand by you guys, because I have to squeeze in a break here. And so I'm going to cut you

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Along with the Megan Kelly show, you're going to hear from people like Mark Halpern, Link Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily Dyshinsky, Jesse Kelly, real clear politics, and many more. It's bold, no BS news, only on the Megan Kelly channel, SiriusXM 11, and on the Sirius XM app. experts, Dr. Paul Saladino and Mark Sisson are back with me now. So Dr. Saladino, you were speaking to peptides, nicotine, and supplements. Keep going. Hey, so supplements, I think, are such a wide box, right? That's a huge landscape. Well, I'll give you a place to start because I saw in your, in your talking points, fish oil. Oh, yeah, I don't, I don't love that one. Yeah. So, yeah, I thought that's news to me. Yeah, so it's kind of like, it's kind of like, it's kind of like, it's kind of the rancid oil on the top of the peanut butter. So you think, you know, fish oil is basically

fish peanut butter, the oil from fish peanut butter. And it's even, it's even more rancid than the oil from peanuts. And so when you look at the data on fish oils, the majority of them fail in terms of peroxide values and oxidation. I think that omega-3s are valuable for humans. We can get them from our foods. Red meat has omega-3s. Egg yolks have omega-3s. Fish has omega-3s. I would prefer people get the omega-3s from food rather than fish oils because you're basically taking the single most fragile oil you could create. The omega-3s in fish oil are long chain and they have so many double bonds, which makes them super fragile that when you isolate them from food, they become rancid very quickly. So I think we should be very careful about fish oil

and I think there's too much interest in fish oil for good reason. We need omega-3s in the human diet, but I would say get it from food. And I think that we don't need to be getting these megadoses of fish oil, probably like we don't need megadoses of any of the vitamins. I think individual supplements beyond that are on a case-by-case basis if there's a nutrient deficiency for humans. And some of them have value. And some of them are probably over-used without real evidence behind them. I do think creatine is valuable for humans, both men and women. And beyond that, it's case-by-case. The peptides stuff. What's a peptide?

Yeah, okay, yeah. What is a peptide? It's a small protein. It's a small amino acid chain, you know? Technically, it's less than 50 amino acids. And so a lot of the peptides we hear about, there's so many classes today. And I know that there's been a recent move to declassify a whole range of peptides from category two to category one.

I think it's interesting that we're reconsidering the safety of these peptides. But a lot of them are mimicking signaling molecules that actually occur in the human body. and this can be useful for humans, but I think it also comes with attendant risks that we have to be careful of. And so it's a long discussion that's very detailed and it's case by case. And again, category by category.

I'll just talk about a couple of the biggest categories very quickly and then see if you want to dive in. The biggest ones we think about today are the gLPs. These are peptides. So we have Ozempic, which is a GLP-1 agonist. And then you have Mancharo or terseptide, which is a dual agonist between GLP and GIP, and now a lot of people are talking about.

about redetrutide, which is not FDA approved. And that's a triple agonist, GLP, GIP, and glucagon. And so these are being used for weight loss to great effect. And I think that what's interesting about this is that it just signals to me that we have a major obesity problem that is caused by our adulterated food supply. And I'm a little bit taken aback that more people aren't asking that question. So when peptides partially ameliorate a problem that didn't exist 100 years ago, which this rampant obesity epidemic. One of the most important points of this is we need to be asking

questions is why is our food so poisonous? Because the peptides are essentially an antidote, a partial antidote, an imperfect antidote to our adulterated ultra-processed food supply. So if we characterize them in that way, I think we're having a more honest conversation. Like, okay, here's a poisonous or a, frankly, a Franken food food supply. We need these partially antidote medications to get back to reasonable levels of satiety because our satiety centers in our brain and our hypothalamus are so broken by what we're eating, the conversation should also include why is our food so horrible and how do we just fix it the level of food? I know that these medications are going to help a lot of people and I hope that people understand you can

lose weight without these medications by simply improving the quality of the foods you're eating. I just don't see a world in which people eating single ingredient foods like you're eating. Like, said earlier, Megan, you know, eat food, nothing artificial. You could say mostly plants if you want, or you could say a moderate amount of animal foods. But if we just eat simple, single ingredient foods, meat and plants, we will achieve the same things that Ozympic, Manjaro, Redat, Trutide, are giving people without the potential long-term attendant side effects. So it's just, I see it as an incomplete discussion that is dominating the landscape now. It's very interesting. I'd be curious from Mark's perspective. People don't realize that some of the urging or the cravings

that they're having and the inability to control their appetite is being caused by the foods they are eating when they're eating. So much of this is being caused by these foods. And, you know, there was this controversial thing Oprah came out last year even on the view and said, I have the fat gene. And it's just not true. There's no fat gene, right? There is perhaps, there's no such thing. There's no such thing. Obesity is very complex. And certainly I think there are some people who are predisposed to gaining weight more quickly than other people. We see this across. genetic lineages. I mean, I went to medical school in Tucson and Arizona, and this is a fascinating story. So there's a group of Native Americans that are called the Pima Indians. And the Pima Indians

are today the most obese and the most diabetic population on the face of the earth. 70 to 80 percent of people in the Pima Indian population are obese and about the same number have diabetes. So we're talking, you know, you can fact check me on those numbers, but we're talking 50 to 70 plus percent of people in a population have diabetes and the majority of them are obese. But what's fascinating is if you look up pictures of Pima Indians from 200 years ago, they were skinny. They had six packs, you know, they were not obese. And so we don't have genetics changing 200 years. We have a food landscape changing massively.

And so that's interesting. So if we want to have a candid conversation about these GLPs, this wide variety of triple double and single agonists for weight loss. We also need to have a conversation about what's causing the obesity in the first place because that, I think, is the most fascinating thing that's coming out of us for me. I mean, there are populations like the Pima Indian

all over the place. 200 years ago, the population is fit and they're obese. Today, you know? So what's changed? Not the genetics. What they're eating. And so I just want people to understand

it's complex to change your diet, but it's worthwhile. And what you're achieving with OZempic is also achieving by simply changing the quality of the foods you're eating. And then I'll just say this before I pause, and that maybe Mark chime in here because it's such an important issue, the weight comes back when you stop, right?

These are not a long-term fix. They don't fix what's going on in your brain in terms of broken satiety signals. And there are some studies coming out now, specifically with those endpics, showing the weight comes back four times faster than stopping exercise. And that's concerning to me. So this is great for pharmaceutical companies.

because I fear that if people want to keep the weight off, these are almost lifetime medications for people, and that's scary. Yeah, no, they are. We need to be. We need to be. We need to be. We need to. Mark, can you speak to, because we've talked about this before, but can you just hit seed oils for a minute?

Because I know there's somewhat of a debate. Like I had on, oh, God, who was it? It was one of these functional medicine doctors. He was great. And he was Dr. Mark Hyman. And he wasn't that concerned about seed oils. Like he didn't love them, but he was like, you know, it's like you have to choose between this or that, like, I wouldn't put that high up

on the list of things you need to be worried about. So where do you, where are we on seed oils? Yes, you know, I've, my thinking on this has evolved over the last two decades. I was one of the first guys to talk about the potential harm of industrial seed oils. And in those days, we were talking about canola. We were talking about the processing, the hexane extraction and so on. And based on that early assessment, I created a company called Primal Kitchen, which was based on healthy oils and access to healthy fats. Now, in the ensuing years, I've kind of realized that all these things exist on a spectrum. So, you know, oils exist on a spectrum of like really good for you, excellent, amazing oils that are beneficial in pretty much every way to oils that are

horrible and aren't that, you know, like you stay away from at all costs. In between, there are a number of oils that you can use sparingly or cook with or use in a salad dressing occasionally that probably are not going to cause any sort of problems over any period of time. So like for instance, high oleic sunflower oil when extracted, you know, cold pressed extracted, probably a great oil. It's a seed oil. So why lump that in with, you know, hexane-derived grape seed oil and canola, soybean oil, things like that. So it's a very nuanced topic. I would agree with Dr. Hyman, which is, you know,

it takes, this is this is the problem as a consumer is you have to be educated enough to make those sorts of choices. But just the basic answer is that these exist on a spectrum and, you know, avocado oil is great. I think butter is great as a, you know, as a natural fat. All of extra virgin olive oil, great. Algae oil, a new one on the scene, which I think is really amazing in terms of it's monoun saturated content. But, you know, so kind of limit your primary choices to those. But don't just get so concerned about eliminating every type of seed oil just because it's derived from the seed.

Mark, while we're on the subject of companies you've created, Paluva is your company around, like, footwear. And I know this is like, this is important to you. There's something about being barefoot and our footwear and how. how we go through life on these two little things we call feet that you think is being overlooked and that is really important to our long-term health. Huge. I think, I think, you know, in this last five or ten years, longevity has become the buzzword and the biohacking and all the communities looking for all these ways that we can live longer and live better. Obviously,

living longer isn't that value unless you can enjoy life. Part of enjoying life is having mobility, the ability to travel around the world and experience the world. And so with that in mind, I think foot health is the lowest hanging fruit in all of longevity. You know, you look at people over 65 who fall and break a hip and are either immobile or die, some significant percent of them die within a year, just from a fall. Again, and this relates back to the health and stability and mobility and agility of their feet. So feet are, I think, the new sleep. This is what I'm sort of penned this phrase. And we need to take care of our feet. We need to acknowledge that, modern footwear has destroyed most people's feet. Most people have foot issues, like 83% of

Americans complain of foot problems or foot pain or foot health issues. That should not be. And particularly in light of the fact that everything else we're doing, we seem to be improving. But we cram our feet into these narrow, restrictive, overly built shoes, sometimes in the name of fashion, but sometimes even sport shoes, which then they take away all of the ground field. all the feeling that our feet need to sense the temperature, the tilt, the texture of the ground underneath. And so feet have been kind of destroyed over decades by the footwear. And so I decided I would create a shoe company that would allow feet to become feet, to do what they're supposed to do, to be in contact with the ground. I mean, every move you make, every time you walk or jump

or run or dance or set up for a tennis shot or whatever it is, it starts with your contact with ground. And if you don't have strong, resilient feet, then everything up the kinetic chain suffers as a result. So I created a shoe. It's called Paluva. This is a example of it. It's a five-toed shoe. So it lets your toes articulate individually. We've got, you know, for listening audience, it's got the five toes. Like the front of the shoe shows like your five toes. You'd like slip your five toes into it. And that's the most important part. It's pretty much gloves for your feet. So the most important part of this is to allow your toes to splay outwardly. You know, the big toe is the most important joint in the foot. And now we cram it against the other toes.

We scrunch it in into a pointy shoe. And we take away all of this amazing locomotion that the big toe allows us. The big toe should be the last point of contact every time you push off the ground. And what we've done with paluva is we've created a shoe that allows you to walk with good form. it sort of self-corrects your gait over time. It allows it, because it's a thin shoe, it's thin enough that you could feel the cobblestones underneath or a stick or a stone or a, you know, a divot in the ground. And it feels good.

You want your toes to accommodate to that surface. You want your toes to move individually. And every step you take in that context strengthens the intrinsic muscle to the feet, which then builds the ankles up, which then improves the integrity of the arch. And over time, you get stronger. It's the next best thing to barefoot. Pardon me? Yeah, I mean, look, I would rather everyone go barefoot.

But look at this world we've created. It's concrete, it's pavement, it's hardwood floors, it's tile, it's glass, and, you know, dogs. It's everywhere we, you know, navigate. It seems like we should be wearing some form of footwear. So we've created the closest thing to a barefoot experience possible. You know, so funny, Mark, when I was younger and more like a, I, I am woman, hear me roar kind of mood. I used to joke that high heels and skirts were all part of men's plan to stifle women.

Like we cannot run fast, can't defend. And those shoes that we all wear are like a little pizza slice. It is, these are not fit for human feet. It's like the high heels are the poignest, most unbelievable thing to try to shove your foot in, No, it's crazy. Like, it's worse than anything we do to a man down there. And it's truly damaging. Megan, it's worse than anything.

And so not just the pointy, the number of women whose feet now look like those pointy stiletto heels. In other words, they have a bunion, the toes pointed in. But also, because of the nature of the heel, four inch heels, will shorten the calf muscle over time because the calf is, it's just naturally shortened. And then a couple things happen. Number one, your Achilles gets too much. on the Achilles as a result of a shortened cap muscle. Also, it throws your center of gravity off.

So now your center of balance. Now your hips tilt forward, your back moves back to accommodate that. And what we see is bad posture in women who have been wearing heels for their career, you know, in. And it's how you get bunions. 100%. I mean, look, bunions are not a genetic disease. People tell me all the time, well, I have bunions because my mother had bunions. And so naturally, no, bunions are 100% a result of the footwear that you've chosen. 100%. Any indigenous peoples, I mean, Paul spent time with the hodza.

None of those hodzza have bunions, right? They just have perfect, perfect feet with amazingly well-balanced kinetic chain. Look, because everybody's born with perfect feet, everybody's born with a perfect kinetic chain. It's, as long as you give the input to the bottoms of the feet, as long as the feet know that as soon as you weight that forward foot, the brain has all the information it needs on exactly, how to organize your individual kinetic chain. Whether you're, you know, knock, knee or wide hip or

whatever, it doesn't matter. You have a perfect kinetic chain for you, provided that information gets to the brain through the bottoms of the feet, and that's the shoes. Once that brain has the information, it knows exactly how much to scrunch the arch around that rock, or how much to articulate the or how much to roll the ankle to the outside, because the ankle is supposed to roll to offset so that the knee doesn't tweak because of having stepped down on something. The foot is such a an amazing appendage. It just, it makes me so sad that we've, like, locked it up in these, encased it in these tombs our whole life. Yeah. No, it's a brilliant idea. You sent me a pair of of these, and they took a little getting used to, but they feel great. After you've worn them for

just a short time, it's like slipping into a slipper. It feels like second nature. And by the way, so the company is Paluva. Can you spell it just because people are going to go there now? P-E-L-U-A, Pelluva. Yeah. Okay. So, Doc, back to you. Can we spend one minute on other things we should be doing, like sauna, cold plunge, red light, you tell me, what comes to mind, what are some other things we can be doing besides diet and exercise and our feet that we should be thinking about and supplements and medicine, et cetera, that we should be thinking about in terms of longevity and wellness? I think about sleep and I think about all the things that go around sleep specifically. So some people are more sensitive than other people to this, but phones,

screens, blue light before you go to sleep, having a consistent sleep schedule at night, getting good quality sleep, having a bedroom that's very dark, preferably very cool, 67 degrees is perhaps the best temperature in study 66, 67. So like think about optimizing your sleep. And this is really the conversation for me, you know, like the peptide conversation, the supplement conversation. It's like all of these should start with the food and the sleep conversations. And then you go from there, right? Nothing should be more important than optimizing what you're eating and then your sleep. And these can be very complicated and they can require a large amount of our attention. But if you can get your sleep and your diet dialed in,

then yeah, you could maybe think about some supplementation. You could think about some light. When it comes to light, the first thing I think about it is your morning sunlight. Many others have talked about that as well. But there is an importance to the circadian rhythm and going outdoors, even on a sunny or cloudy or rainy day is going to be important. And when I walk around in the morning when I'm in Miami or I see people on their morning walk and they're wearing sunglasses. And I think, okay, I get that in the middle of the day, the sun can be very bright, but on your morning walk, you want the information from the sunlight coming into your eyes. You want that hitting the back of your eye. You want that in your retina. I know women get concerned. They don't want to

squint and develop the wrinkles, but spend some time, especially in the morning, especially within the first 30 to 45 minutes of waking up outdoors without sunglasses on. preferably without contacts in your eyes or glasses in front of your eyes, getting full spectrum, non-flickering sunlight. You don't have to look directly at the sun, right? But just getting ambient bright light, more than 10,000 lux, into your eyes and into your brain, into the super-chaismatic nucleus.

That's the sort of bookmarked to the beginning of your day, and then all of your hormonal patterns, which happen on a circadian rhythm, can sort of happen in concert with that. That's really important. And then, you know, in the middle of the day, getting out in the middle of the day, some time in the middle of day on bright sunlight, even without glasses or sunglasses. You don't have to

look at the sun again. You don't have to hurt your eyes. But getting these cues from our light environment are important. And then at night, having an absence of light is really important. There are good studies showing that the brighter our days and the darker our nights, the longer we live. And the reverse is true. There are negative impacts on longevity when your days are dark and gray. Presumably, you're inside. We're not talking Seattle here. Because even outdoors in Seattle in the winter, it's brighter than it is indoors. And if your nights are sort of not dark enough, these, this coordination of just always gray and never bright and dark. This is bad for our longevity as humans.

And we don't think about this. But, I mean, back to where we've come from as humans. Bright days outside and the nights are super dark. Even a full moon. Now, wait. Let me ask you a question about that. So I believe I saw, I'm pretty sure it was you who took us through your home in Costa Rica and showed us like, all the crazy things that you have there,

they're like things that are good for health. And one of them, if memory serves, was you don't have, do you not have internet? Do you not have 5G? You don't have Wi-Fi inside? Or you had some apparatus where it was like, not in the house. Well, I can't remember,

but walk me through your thoughts on Wi-Fi. Well, Wi-Fi is interesting. So, again, this gets fairly technical, but the signal that your cell phone puts out, the signal that your Wi-Fi router puts out, these are in the radio frequency EMF band. And there's conflicting, research here. We're not sure as humans, but I take this, I'm cautious with this. And so in, in most of my, most of the

time in my house, there's no Wi-Fi, which means I use cords. It's not very pretty, but if I can, I've sort of built the Ethernet cables into the walls and I'll use Ethernet. So I don't have Wi-Fi in the house during the day. So if you use an RF, EMF meter, a radio frequency EMF meter in my house, it's essentially going to say zero, unless there's a cell phone around. Now, at night, especially I think, why not just turn the Wi-Fi off? I'm not surfing the internet at 2 in the morning when I'm in Dreamland. I don't need Wi-Fi in my house. And then I'm also conscientious. My cell phone is on full airplane mode. It's not near my bed. I just, I think that over the next five to 10 years, we're going to learn more and more research and data is going to come out about how these radio frequency and potentially magnetic fields, which are ELF signals,

can affect human biology. And I'm not convinced at this moment that they're completely benign. Is this the most important input to worry about? Probably not. I think again, start with sleep and start with food. But there are some studies suggesting that having yourself from next to your bed can disturb sleep architecture. We don't fully understand this yet. And I have concerns when we're wearing AirPods all day. Those are meaningfully producing a large amount of radio frequency EMF on the order of what your microwave is putting out, you know, not in the microwave, but if you're standing a few feet from the microwave, that's essentially what you're putting in your ears, a couple of centimeters from brain tissue, and if you're wearing that all day, or if you're wearing your cell phone on your hip, is the radio frequency EMF affecting fertility in men or women, especially for men, is it affecting sperm production of fertility? So I'm sort of taking a cautious approach here and doing what I can without having it be too incredibly inconvenient and then seeing how I feel there is this. I'm sure all three of us understand this. There is this subjective feeling of calmness when we're in nature or we're camping. And that could be a lot of things,

right? That could be being surrounded by trees, cleaner air. But I can't help but think that there's probably some elements of that where there is essentially zero what we would call non-native EMF. You know, this is something that's completely new to our biology as humans. This level of, this is all essentially light. We just can't see these photons. So just like visible light is a certain spectrum of light, EMF in general, whether it's radio free, you can send you from your phone or your Wi-Fi router, this is all a type of light. They're all photons, and I think that they're all affecting human biology, and I just try to think about that. It's a little bit out of the mainstream, but I'm cautious of it, yes. I don't know if it's BS or not, but we did have a guy come to the

house and kind of measure RF, you know, like he's got some little thing, and he took a look at, like, how much is coming out of this outlet and that outlet, and if you have a place in your house, where like all the plugs go in, you know, that thing would have been like going off on his little meter. And he did put some things into the outlets and around certain outlets to like lower the amount of, again, this could be total bullshit. I just wonder, is this like the mold industry where like there could be a real problem? And but then there's also a lot of charlatans out there trying to like scare you. Anyway, we did it. It wasn't that expensive.

It was like you say, kind of a hedge. Like, okay, it's, it's, it's, I feel a little better that it's there. We did not get rid of Wi-Fi in the house. Of course, look at me now. I mean, like surrounded by electric, you know, modes everywhere. So, yeah, we're hedging our bets here, too. I could keep doing this forever, you guys. Please come back soon.

I was just saying to my team, like, we need to make this a regular segment. I learned so much. You're both so knowledgeable and such good talkers. Really, really grateful to you both. Thanks for having us on. Yeah. Yeah, lots of love. I'll see you online before I see you here again,

and I look forward to that next time. Are they great? Dr. Paul Saladino and Mark Sisson. who, he's been great. I love Marks, and he buy all of his books. Those two meals a day cookbooks are so helpful. Even I can do it. And trust me, if I can do it, you can do it.

There's an amazing pulled pork recipe in there that you make like in the, well, it's not the pressure cooker. It's like the slow cooker. And my whole family loves it. And you make it with coleslaw that you can buy at the gross. store along with the Primal Kitchen Mayo that you mix in there. It is so good. All three of my kids love it. My husband and I love it. That's just one of the many things you should buy from Marxus. And we've got to check out Dr. Saladino's website too. Sounds like he's got, you can get his

testicle ridden organ pill. Apparently you can get testicles, you can get liver, all sorts of stuff in there as our intro to eating organs, which everybody says is good for you, including most importantly, my Nana, live to 101. So lots of love you guys, lots to think about as we go into this weekend. I'm going to live forever. Let's do it together. God bless you all. We'll talk Monday. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.