The Megyn Kelly Show - Unhinged Media Reaction to Trump Arrest, and Don Lemon's Misogyny, with the Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 523

Episode Date: April 6, 2023

Megyn Kelly is joined by the hosts of the Ruthless Podcast, Comfortably Smug, Josh Holmes, Michael Duncan, and John Ashbrook, to talk about Stormy Daniels and the rest of the characters being lionized now by the left, the unhinged reaction from Keith Olbermann and others over the arrest of former President Donald Trump, MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace giggling about Trump's arrest, disastrous Wisconsin consequences for the GOP, the politics of abortion in America today, Chicago electing a "progressive dream" candidate as mayor, Don Lemon's history of misogyny detailed in new article, the gross media business, "Doctor" Jill Biden getting blowback for suggesting the losing Iowa women team come to the White House, and more. Then Megyn reads viewer and listener comments about Trump's arrest and the double standards. Have a question for Megyn? Email her at [e-mail] the Ruthless Podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ruthless/id1535384390Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. CNN's Don Lemon denying an explosive story in Variety detailing his alleged misogyny towards several female colleagues going back years. The stories are awful and they have several women on the record with quotes about him. The network's response, equally horrifying. We'll get into it. Plus, we'll tackle what the Wisconsin Supreme Court election means for 2024. I listened to the New York Times, the Daily two days ago, and they said this is the single most important election in America this year. And the Democrats just want it handily. The guys had a great podcast on why and what it means and where the GOP went

wrong. So we'll delve into their analysis. And by the guys, I mean Ruthless, who are coming on in two seconds and Dylan Mulvaney scoring yet another high profile endorsement. This time, I'm sure you'll be shocked to hear it's Nike previously so reliable when it came to standing up against the woke mob. Right. Oh, wait. No, that wasn't them here to break it all down. John Ashbrook, Michael Duncan, Josh Holmes, and the man known as Comfortably Smug. Together, they are Ruthless, the hosts of The Great Podcast, which you must be downloading if you're not already. And happy to tell you they were my dinner companions this time last week in Washington, D.C. Great to see you guys.

Oh, great to see you again. What a blast that was. I can't believe you were willing to be seen in public with us. I felt like the bell of the ball. It was so it was exciting. I was like a little, you know, gobsmacked by the celebrity surrounding me at the table. Certainly got to see Smug without his disguise, quote unquote. It got the real see the real Smug.

And all I could think was, why does he want to cover up that face? Very handsome man. Exactly. We've been saying that for years megan i'm glad you've taken note of that he's very handsome man oh we had a lot of fun we got to know each other personally because we see each other on the show all the time we never get to hang out and i want to tell the audience uh even more charming behind the scenes than they are on cam so if you ever get the chance to spend more time with ruthless either via podcast or their live events do it um okay so let's jump in on we'll kick it out with trump then we got to get into what happened in wisconsin what happened in chicago some big electoral events happened this week while we're all focused on the indictment uh but i'm sorry i've got to start with this

i don't think i've ever said this before. We begin today with Stormy Daniels. She's, of course, at the center of the Trump indictment. She's the one who took the hush money payout that Trump's alleged to have given. The payout itself, whatever, Alvin Bragg saying it's all illegal. He couldn't have done the payout and it was a campaign contribution and he should have registered it on his books differently and we can go down the line. But she testified before the grand jury and now she's given a sit down to Piers Morgan, which is airing later today. And I'll let you be the judge on how she's going to come across

to a jury. Here's a clip that appears released in advance. Would it give you any kind of closure with your time involving Donald Trump to see him jailed? Specific to my case, I don't think that his crimes against me are worthy of incarceration. I feel like the other things that he has done, if he is found guilty absolutely because a bigger problem is that if these allegations against him or whatever else that we don't know

yet he is found guilty or the evidence suggests that he is or whatever and he doesn't that it's going to just basically i mean it opens the door for other people to think they can get away with doing that. I mean, it's like listening to Elena Kagan, right? Sandra Day O'Connor. One of the brilliant minds of our time and an orator. I mean, wow, was that well-spoken, fellas. I feel like we just learned something here. The allegations. Allegations. Yeah. I also like with the learned something here. The allegations. Allegations. Yeah, I also like with the crimes against me. What was the

crime against you? Taking all of the money? That was the crime? You want to ask a lot of questions about what the crime against Tara was. That's exactly right, Duncan. What are the crimes against you? Aren't you the one who had an affair with a married man after a lifetime starring in flicks like Summer Hummer and then tried to extort the man before he ran for president 10 years after your alleged interlude?

Your research staff is really tough. We are. They're browsing the Stormy catalog before you go on air. It's a crack team. That's the ribbon. I had some volunteers to actually go back and go in-depth and actually get some scenes and some clips. Clips.

Cut. Well, I don't think we'll cut away to any of that. Said no. But it is amazing, right? She's now being, it appears interviewed her, but the left is celebrating this woman like she's Joan of Arc.

I mean, they are like her bravery. She's I just tweeted this out today. Is it what magazine is it that featured her? Hold on a second. Miranda Devine had it. It's Vogue. Vogue does the. With Annie Leibovitz shooting the piece, does this in-depth glamour, you know, photo spread, pardon the pun, of Stormy Daniels. Melania Trump never got in Vogue, who had been a supermodel prior to her time as First Lady. She never got featured by Vogue.

But Stormy Daniels is in there as though this woman hasn't spent a lifetime contributing to the degradation of women. The key qualification for a feature in one of those outlets is what are you doing for the Democratic Party? I mean, literally, that's the only thing they care about. It is a remark. John, you're not wrong. Look who look. Vanity Fair came calling to me after that August 15 debate. Right.

That's when they did an in-depth profile of me and I was on their cover. And like, you're exactly right. If you find yourself on the opposite side of someone they hate, debate, right? That's when they did an in-depth profile of me and I was on their cover. And you're exactly right. If you find yourself on the opposite side of someone they hate, you're their cover girl, you're their glamour girl, even if, as I point out, your name is Stormy Daniels and this is the way you've spent your life, extorting people, taking payoff monies. I mean, how could they be so pleased with her? She did keep her mouth shut. She didn't come forward after, you know, before the election. She took the money and then violated the deal. And by the way, just found a court just found she had to pay Trump's legal fees for a BS defamation case. She tried to file against him. So this is now the left's poster girl for what? This New York case? It's just the whole thing is so if you just take like a half step back, it feels like we seamlessly just transition back into this bizarre reality show where it's like filled with incomprehensible idiocy.

And like if you were to tell yourself five years ago that we're having a serious discussion about a porn star appearing on the cover of Vogue and like determining the course of our politics, we'd have been like, what are you kidding me? But that's like where we're at. Right. Yeah. The day to day is wild. It's like a like a TV show that's really seeing the ratings plummet and they got to bring back a character from season one. Yeah. You know, it is. It's like we're living, you know, 2017 over again, like Groundhog Day. I mean, I think a little bit of a different take is, I mean, as you mentioned, Megan, she just, you know, the Ninth Circuit ruled she has to pay another $100,000 something to President Trump on top of the roughly $500,000. So if she was paid by President Trump $150,000 and now has to pay President Trump $600,000,

I think it shows yet again what a successful businessman he was. Four times his initial investment. That's another qualification. And honestly, if you look at her like Twitter feed, I mean, it's you can't if you're under 18, but it's filthy. And the name she's calling Trump, absolutely filthy. And he gives as good as he gets. as you know, he's not nice to her either. But like this is their star witness, this person and Michael Cohen, his so-called fixer, who's a convicted felon, convicted liar. I get it. These are the people Trump chose to have in his orbit. But it's not bad for him that these are his lead accusers. And the third character in the triumvirate is David Pecker.

Sorry, I actually worked with a man named Harry Johnson. We talked about this at work at dinner. Harry Johnson. David, I don't. Why would you keep the last name Pecker? If we have any listeners whose last name is Pecker, could you call in? Why would you keep that last name? Proud of their family.

Also, it's a long line of Peckers. Also, I want to know their experience in middle school so anyway it's this this is the cast of characters now in the meantime oh by the way this from my team it's not just summer hummer these are some of her greatest hits. Dirty Minds, Forbidden, Happy Endings, Kink, Nymphos, Price of Lust, and we could go on. So there you go. There's a little homework for you guys. It's better than Saving Ryan's Privates, but it's only a half step. Casabanga.

I don't even remember what the question was. It's irrelevant. So she's not the view, violated the judge's admonition, not to say anything that would lead to incitement or civil unrest. He didn't want anything. Don't make comments that will lead to violence, he said, or civil unrest. And then Trump went down to Mar-a-Lago and he made the comments about the judge's daughter being a Trump hater and having worked for Kamala Harris. Alvin Bragg, the DA's wife, sending out mean tweets about Trump and celebrating her husband was going to get him something to that effect and then shutting down her Twitter account. I don't think we're there.

I have to say, I don't think Trump. It wasn't good. I'm not saying he should have crossed those lines after the judge said what he said, but I don't think he incited violence or civil unrest. And I think we know that because it didn't happen. There was no civil unrest, etc. Keith Olbermann sees it differently. There's just a little sampling because I know you guys love to hear from Keith of how he's reacting. What more does the defendant have to do, Judge Merchan? He already threatened death and destruction. He already reposted an article with a photo of him wielding a baseball bat next

to a photo of the head of the district attorney. And yesterday, as you were warning him, but also as you were bending over backwards to protect his First Amendment rights, as you were saying those things to him, his idiot sons, Junior and Fredo, were doxing your own daughter on every social media site they could find. put them under a gag order. What exactly does the rule of law mean in this country? What exactly is the point of having laws in this country? What exactly, your honor, is the point of having judges and district attorneys and cops if their words mean nothing and a psychotic, narcissistic piece of shit criminal like Donald Trump can leave your courtroom and got on his private jet and go to his private club and pick up right where he left off, not merely endangering you and your wife and your daughter and the D.A. and his wife and everybody connected with law enforcement in New York and Washington and America, but endangering, as you yourself phrased it, the rule of law, by, as you yourself also phrased it, making statements that are likely to incite violence or civil unrest.

What more does Trump have to do? Pull out a gun on Fifth Avenue and shoot you? Or say something like that again? Or inspire one of his brainwashed, gun-fetishizing, hate-filled fascist mob to attack your daughter? Trump is in contempt of court right now. Jail him! He is, in fact, in contempt of America. He is always and will forever be in contempt of America. America means nothing to him. Your words mean nothing to him. The America means nothing to him. Your words mean nothing to him.

The law means nothing to him. He will understand only punishment. Punish him. Debbie Murphy really fell in love with that clip. I like caught a clip of this. She went up, we went up for three minutes. He's upset. Well, this guy is melodramatic.

I mean, he missed his calling. He really should have been a high school drama teacher i've never in my life listened to a clip where a guy overacted more than that probably mixing a comma to it i mean it's like one wrong sentence of exclamation points i think it's the example of literally spitting mad holmes yeah yeah i mean he's like threw a piston somewhere in his head a few years ago, and it has just gone so far off the road. Imagine the kind of person, by the way, that just wakes up in the morning, they pour a

cup of coffee, and they're like, yeah, I'm just going to throw an Oberman on for a couple of hours. Just get a nice, relaxing day started. I think something that he said is very critical, though, is he repeatedly says that, oh, my goodness, this is another example of the threat of violence. You know, people could die. This does not become a standard part of the left's toolkit of any disagreement with them is people are going to die. This is going to kill people. Specifically, the irony of this situation is for well over a year now, there have been protesters, a violent, enraged mob marching around the homes of our Supreme

Court justices day and night. They're outside of ACB's house shouting that she's a murderer and she has school-aged children in her home. That doesn't concern them at all. Now, when it's brought up by numerous news outlets that this judge in New York's daughter worked on Biden and Kamala's campaigns and proudly presents herself as being a previous director on Kamala's campaign, she now runs a Democrat campaign firm. Maybe that could be germane. How is it germane, though, to shout that ACB is a murderer and terrorize her children for over a year? Well, yeah, I mean, the idea that Donald Trump should have to abide by a gag order during a political prosecution is just fundamentally ridiculous and unenforceable. The guy's running for president of the United States. The idea that he's not allowed to talk. I mean, I don't know how you could possibly ask that guy or

any person who's running for office under an indictment that's clearly a political prosecution and be like, no, you can't say anything about that. And Don Jr. was posting an article. These were articles. These were news reports about the DA's daughter working for a Democrat consulting firm, working for Kamala Harris. He didn't dox her. I mean, this is public information. And the idea that Donald Trump doesn't get to use public information in his own defense is just ridiculous. Well, it's completely absurd. But also, if you look at the timeline, right? Right. I mean, when they scheduled this thing for December, they're within spitting distance of the Iowa caucus. The idea that a guy running for president can't defend himself about a very public allegation that's the most irresponsible part of this is like acting as

though you could put gag or on a guy running for president of the United States. It's nuts. And honestly, like he didn't really, he didn't violate the judge's admonition. Like you may not like it, but this DA has crossed a line no one crossed before in nearly 250 years. So, of course, the reaction is going to be, why did he do that? Could it be political? What has he said in the past? What are the political biases of Alvin Bragg and those he surrounds himself with who are in his ear every night? Yes, it's relevant. Now, with respect to the judge, he's overseen another whole case against Donald Trump.

And Trump hasn't gotten very favorable rulings. And he's allowed to say, I think he's a hack. I think he's a partisan animal like that. He is allowed to say that. And I think his daughter's evidence of that, of the family politics. And this is what I'm up against. He said it in more frank terms than I just did, but I don't think he did cross the line. Makes me squirm a little, but no more so than Alvin Bragg's indictment did. That's for sure. While we're on the subject of the left's reaction, right? We've talked about Stormy. We've talked about Olbermann. And now I want to talk about the media. So I, after the show on Tuesday, as Trump was in this hearing, was driving up to see my mom. And she lives in upstate New York

still in Albany. So I'm going up a suburb. I was going up to see her. And I'm trying to get the right channels and I'm listening and I'm sort of scrolling across this channel and the other, whatever. Hear all the different reactions on the right and the left. And by the time I actually got to my mother's, I was in the midst of listening to Nicole Wallace

on MSNBC because I couldn't read my ears. Sorry about that. Naturally, I don't watch or listen to this show. However, in this context, I got a piece of it. So I got, I'm like, I got to turn this on, ma. So I turn it on and this just a sampling, this clip, like the Keith Olbermann clip could have gone on for three minutes. Uh, we kept it to about a minute, but this is what was happening on the four o'clock hour of MSNBC as Trump was being indicted. Listen to this. He's going to take off in his plane, fly to Mar-a-Lago, blah, blah, blah. She's over there

with her pen. I can't wait to hear what she's underlined. So I've asked you about the IRS, as though you, you know, have a direct line to them. You have to check it so that so they can either come after you in a rough and i'm sure fox is leading with it absolutely of course would that be admitted oh yeah that's what's called so his whole i don't know anything about it but he says he says can't you pay cash i mean he's involved in the green he's involved in the... They call it a scheme. It's really hard to say. Do it in 20s and 10s. Oh my God. Who is the gremlin at the end of the table? I don't even know who that is.

I don't know who that is. But man, just laughing and having the time of their lives. Downright giddy. So unprofessional. This has become a hallmark of how the Left wants to act. the time of their lives downright giddy and i think that's so unprofessional they enjoy this has become a hallmark of how the left wants to act is they want to humiliate their opponents they're enjoying and reveling the fact that you know they're essentially just making a mockery of the constitution and now they have the power to just punish their political opponents it's

it's like uh pbs had some articles saying that, you know, there are actually many countries around the world who try to form a president, and they give the examples of like Venezuela. Like third world countries. Oh, sure. You know, maybe we should model ourselves after places that have had their governments collapse a few times.

Yeah, Burma's had a little trouble over the years. Maybe we should model it over that. It's incredible, but it's very key because they want to show they have absolute control, whether it's with the corporations, whether it's the institutions of school, higher learning. And this is another example of, yes, they have the ability politically to make their opponents suffer and they're going to exercise it. Everyone knows it's widely known that this case is extremely thin. There's no grounds for it this this district

attorney has over 50 of the time turned felonies into misdemeanors and this is an example of him turning a misdemeanor to a felony and there's a very specific reason for that is because it's politically motivated turning it into a felony the justification of which is that these alleged crimes were in service of another crime which they do do not name. An unnamed crime in the indictment, which is unusual to say. No, it's pin the tail on the felony. Oh, yeah. And so I think it's important for listeners to understand

that they revel in violating the rules. Like, they're shameless. You cannot convince them they're wrong by showing them the truth. They know they're not telling the truth and they don't care. Exactly. Exactly. Think about it. This is a sad day. Yeah, go ahead, Ashbrook. Go ahead. Well, I was just going to ask, I mean, you're obviously the legal expert among us. And if you look into your crystal ball, I mean, how do you see this playing out over the next, you know, year? I think they have the grounds, very solid, strong grounds

to get this dismissed on the papers. But I don't think the judge is going to have the courage to do it because he's an elected official. That New York State Supreme, which is what we call our trial courts here, is an elected judgeship. And he's, you know, in a Democratic community.

You know, I believe that Nicole Wallace and Keith Olbermann are also Manhattanites. That's Trump's jury pool right there. That's great. OK, so this this borough of Manhattan went almost 90 percent for Joe Biden. And this judge was elected in this borough to sit on the trial court. And so you tell me who's going to have that kind of a steely spine to throw out the case against Donald Trump on the papers. He's going to look for any excuse he can not to do that, punt it to the jury, again, a jury pool like those two, and say, oh, the jury had its say. But I think if Trump gets to this point where he gets to file an appeal, he may also have a trouble on the immediate appellate court, which is another elected court. But once he gets up to the New York State Court of Appeals, that's our highest court, he'll win. He'll win because there is no case on the papers. If you follow the law, we went in depth on it yesterday in a podcast. I have to tell you, I'm actually really proud of. I really hope people go back and listen to it because we really broke it down for people with an election law expert guy who used to head the FEC under Clinton. partisan guy. And what he essentially said was, unless you can prove that the so-called campaign expense that Alvin Bragg is basing this all on, you know, the payoff to Stormy, unless you can prove that that's an expense, not just that Donald Trump would never have made in the absence of the

election, but that no one would ever make in the absence of an election, it's not a campaign contribution. In other words, some people try to use a $2,000 payment for a fancy suit that they wear to the presidential or a senatorial debate as a campaign expense. And they have the campaign pay for it, right? Then they don't have to pay for it out of their pocket. They say, Oh, I never would have bought a $2,000 suit for the debate. That's campaign expenditure. And the FEC says, nice try, but no, unless no one would ever buy this suit under any

circumstances, um, you can't make that argument. And of course, somebody would buy that $2,000 suit. And that's so he was saying very, very small field of things that qualify as a campaign expenditure, like setting up field offices, hiring a campaign manager, you be paid for things having nothing to do with the campaign so it doesn't have to do with even if in donald trump's mind he was doing it to pay or off so he'd win an election irrelevant the payor or the payee's state of mind irrelevant it only looks at zoom out in any circumstance could somebody have paid the monies for these for a non-electoral purpose and if the answer is yes it's not a campaign contribution. There's my two-minute synopsis of what the expert said. So that's the law. So he should win on the law.

But the politics are as big, if not a bigger factor. And that's why, John, he's in trouble. Well, that'll teach you to listen to the Megyn Kelly podcast every day. Yeah. I mean, good Lord, Lord. That was excellent summary. I feel like I actually got a full download now of exactly how this thing is going to play out. But I mean, look, the thing that I worry most about here, Megan, is the precedent that this sets going forward, right? We have been resistant for the history of our country of prosecuting the previous president, right?

Granted, there haven't been allegations that have given rise to it most occasions, but, you know, like Ford pardoned Nixon, for example. And the reason you do that is because you don't want to live in a banana republic where political opposition is constantly using the long arm of the law to try to put down their opponents. But going forward, to me, it's impossible to see how an enterprising young attorney general, conservative, for example, if they have any case to make against Joe Biden or Hunter Biden or anything else, they're going to bring it. They're going to bring it. And this is going to go on in perpetuity. The problem with this at the very outset is it's the weakest dang case in the world. If you were going to break that precedent, you better damn well make sure that you've got fire in addition to smoke. And he doesn't even have smoke. This is going to be a huge problem that will set a terrible precedent. I'm not sure how we undo it at this point. So here's my question for you guys as the political analysts. Was this a good week for the Republican Party wanting to take back the White House and the Senate in 2024 or a bad week?

Yeah, I don't think it's a good week for some of what I just explained but politically speaking i mean look we also had an election in wisconsin that was in the backdrop of all this on tuesday it didn't go so well for republicans right there's a myriad of reasons for that the old man's got himself worked up and he'll be able to to talk about that with more detail but i just think any time that we're stuck in this tabloid version of lawmaking and news, we're in a bad spot as a party, because if you look at the policies themselves, and Wisconsin is a good example of this, but even the exit polls in 2022, people want conservative policy. deeply believe in the economic policies that the Republican Party put in place under Trump. And they believe that conservative governance going forward is exactly what they want. And they're still not voting Republican. Yeah. If you look at Wisconsin, for example, there were two tough on crime questions on the ballot. They both. Wait, Duncan, just set up Wisconsin for the audience because we haven't talked about

Wisconsin at all yet in the Supreme Court race and why you're talking about ballot initiatives. Yeah, sure. So so Daniel Kelly was the Republican. This is Janet P. I don't know how to pronounce her last name. Proto, Proto, say what's, Proto, say what's, say what's, Proto, say what's was the liberal judge on the, in the, in the race. And Janet won by 11 points in this special election. And she wasn't avowed. I mean, she was not like, well, you know, I'm going to use the law for liberal good. She was basically like, no, I'm going to overturn abortion laws and throw your election laws out. Yeah.

Yeah. And so the conservative judge, this Daniel Kelly, lost by 11 points. But in the backdrop of that, there were three ballot questions on the ballot as well. Statewide for every voter in Wisconsin. There were two that were tough on crime, one on cash bail, one on pretrial detention. They won by 66, 67% of the electorate. Two-thirds of the electorate was like, yes, we like those conservative ideas. There was also a looking for work requirement to getting welfare. If you're able-bodied and you don't have kids and you want to receive welfare, you have to prove that you're looking for work. That one almost 80, 20, 80, 20.

These are like rock rid conservative policies. And the voters of Wisconsin were like, yes. And then they pulled the lever for a liberal judge. Now, why is that? There's a couple of reasons. I mean, I think we've done a really bad job messaging on the issue of abortion. I think when Donald Trump is going into a courthouse in Manhattan, he sucks up all the oxygen in the room. Not to mention the fact that this Daniel Kelly guy was off by all of that. And so they're not even, you can't even persuade those people. So you've locked in the fact that you're going to lose. He was endorsed by Donald Trump in 2020,

lost by 11 points. Now, Donald Trump, who didn't, who didn't get his endorsement in this 2023 race is saying, Oh, well, you know,

if, if only Dan Kelly, you know, had, had gotten my endorsement, wanted my endorsement, he would have won bullshit. It's absolute bullshit. Donald Trump sucks up all the oxygen and the base loses focus. The

Republican Party is adrift and we lose races. We'll continue losing until that changes. Simple as that. It's so telling. So it's basically those two same things that haunted the Republican Party on the ballot the last time, which is election denialism and abortion. Yeah. Well, and we talked a little bit about this previously, but we also have a just a base turnout problem in midterms and special elections in that, you know, sometime about 2017, the base of the Republican Party changed from a largely suburban base with a 75, 76 percent turnout percentage to a largely rural party. And on paper, one for one, it makes perfect sense. It's just a swap out of voters. But when you look at special elections and midterms, the propensity of those voters is like 55, 56 percent. And what you saw was

in the Wisconsin election, those suburban voters that we're talking about here all supported all of those conservative policies on the ballot question. Yes. But they are still, as they were in 2022, very shy about backing anything close to the Republican Party. Yeah. And I mean, that's really my long term fear is like, look, this case in New York is obviously a joke and I don't think it's really going to end up being anything. It's going to be obviously a distraction for the Republican Party, and Donald Trump's going to raise a lot of money on it. But then you're going to have stuff like the Georgia case or like the

Mar-a-Lago documents case. And there's going to be a lot sort of swirling there constantly in the news cycle. And if the Republican Party is more interested in defending Trump from all of these allegations than winning on the conservative issues that 80% of Wisconsinites agree with us on, we're going to lose it again. We just are. And like you said, it's going to dominate the conversation thing happened in 2022. Yeah, it's going to dominate the conversation in a way that it doesn't allow for those other issues to be ferreted out. But before we go back to the Trump thing, you know, Ann Coulter, she's not a Trump fan, but she is a Republican fan. I love this story about Ann Coulter. I saw her one year.

It was 2012 because it was the Republican National Convention in 2012. And I saw her and I know her loosely. And I said, Ann, how you doing? And she goes, I'm great. I'm in a sea of Republicans. She was so happy, you know. So she is, of course, conservative and Republican through and through. She's got stories back to her middle school years of how hard she was charging on the right. She's like, for the love of God, stop with the overzealous abortion restrictions. Would you just let, you know,

understand your audience in states like Wisconsin and stop making like the reason they think that liberal judge one again, proto-Sawitz is because after Roe fell, there was this old provision that kicked in from the 1800s that basically outlawed abortion, essentially outlawed it. And so, you know what? I know a lot of conservative leaning women who would have gone to the polls and voted for that liberal judge to say, today, I'm voting liberal because that is an issue that is important to me. I maybe I only want a six week ban. Maybe I want a 15 week ban, but I don't want an entire ban and I will fight. I'll march in the streets to stop an entire ban. I got a daughter and college age, you know, a son. I don't want that. And so but the Republican Party has, let's face it, done a piss poor job since Dobbs of coming up with a national strategy, which means state by state, you know, you can't go one uniform policy like just banned, banned, banned everywhere. That's that's not going to work. 50, you know, state by state. What are the politics in each state? What what will be acceptable that won't drive voters to the left side? And they didn't do it. And they're still paying the price. Am I wrong?

Well, I think that's part of it. You know, it is obviously the politics of every state matters. And, you know-funded general election candidate who had a huge PAC, slush fund, raising millions and millions of dollars for. He had a very restrictive pro-life bill. And then he won by nine points in Georgia, a state that we can't seem to win anymore. So I think you hit the nail on the head with you have to know your state.

And you got to be able to message this issue and speak honestly about our position on the issue of life. It's as simple as that. Well, the other complicating factor in this, and we saw this in 2022 post-Dobbs, and you saw it again in the Supreme Court race in Technicolor, is that it is a very mobilizing thing for liberals. And the entire abortion issue is probably the most, the biggest driver of financing to campaigns on the democratic side that there is in politics, right? I mean, we're talking about millions and millions and millions of dollars in small dollar increments that flow in to anything that looks like a referendum on the issue of abortion. And a lot of our candidates get really flat footed with that. The additional complicated factor with this in Wisconsin is,

you know, this guy's not a great candidate for starters, but when you get out spent seven to one because of the dynamic I just explained, it's a pretty tough road, right? And then, but the thing is that the reason that people need to be paying it, I mean, OK, it's what people might be like. It's a Wisconsin court race. Who cares? But it's actually huge. It's huge that she won and that the Democrats are now led to them winning elections like Trump winning in 16 is going out the window. It's going to now go in the other way to help Democrats win elections. I mean, I've I heard speculation on the left that the Republicans will be lucky as a result of this if they win another election at all in Wisconsin in the foreseeable future. Is that too much? It really depends on how they ultimately present what they're trying to do. But things as common sense as voter ID are in jeopardy with this particular judge. Redistricting, as you mentioned, yeah. I think any sort of voter integrity at this point, this lady has basically said during her campaign that she's going to try to take out. So, yeah, I mean, if you if you believe that that an election that's conducted fairly is one that benefits Republicans, which I happen to believe, then, yeah, they're going to present a case to have the lines redrawn for redistricting. And those lines would effectively remove two Republican members of the House from the state of Wisconsin. They're already making a move on this. It's very much in

focus for what they want to accomplish. And she said, Smug, during the campaign, the lines are wrong. They're unfair. The lines need to be redrawn. And there was another thing. It was extraordinary to hear this judge who's supposed to be nonpartisan, supposed to be a nonpartisan election coming out and saying something like that explicitly. So we know what we're going to get. Well, and they've been playing the long game on this Wisconsin fight for a while. I mean, it's not just that they won the general election. They picked their general election opponent. Liberal groups spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to boost Daniel Kelly in the Republican primary so that he would win because they already knew the guy lost by 11 points in 2020. They'd beat him

again. Right. And so Republicans, you know, if you're listening to this, you got to wake up to what's going on in our Republican primaries. When the left is trying to pick the person who wins our primary, there's a reason why. Yep. Yeah. They know this. This was not the first instance of them doing that, by the way. They did that to the tune of 13 races last cycle. They spent over 50 million dollars trying to pick a Republican governor's opponent in Illinois. They tried to pick the Republican candidate in new hampshire

pennsylvania colorado michigan and these are all races where democrats ultimately won and it worked you know it's it it works 13 13 and 0 that's i mean that's the top line of it every time they did it they got exactly who they wanted and they beat the hell out of them just remember just remember every time you hear on the media from these Democrats about how the sanctity of democracy and how there's these radical extreme MAGA elements that are going to destroy democracy and usher in fascism, that they raise millions and millions and millions of dollars to make sure those candidates that they say those things about win primaries. Bingo.

And are the worst possible representative of what they say they want right right right that's what they spend their money they just make a mockery of the entire system and then they have the balls to be like we're on democratic of course it's just it's dishonest but it's it's effective you know and it is really like as guys who advise republicans running for office should should the republican party be doing the same thing oh hell yes absolutely it's. It's not a novel strategy. You guys probably all remember Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos from 2008 when he told everybody to vote for Hillary so that they would have a fight in the Democratic primary for

president. I mean, so it's something that we have known that we should be doing. We need to be doing more. Well, we just need to be a lot more active in primaries in general, whether they're Republican primaries or Democratic primaries. Like these campaigns don't start in the middle of July in an election year, as we pretended that they did in 2022. There's gross mismanagement of a whole bunch of different election electioneering systems within the Republican Party. But I just think we have to be much more aggressive all the way through. They just have to be. Because if you leave anything to doubt at this point, Democrats are going to exploit it.

We're going to get the same results. Yeah, we're in the aftermath of Dobbs right now. And it's, you know, I know a lot of people who are pro-life are saying it's worth it. It's worth it. The ground's going to settle eventually and the Republicans will be listened to in a more fair way. But right now, with abortion on the ballot in the way it is, it's going to be a lot of GOP losses unless they get a better message. You can't have a total ban of abortion in a state

like Wisconsin. And the voters just said so. We didn't even get to Chicago or the absolute meltdown going on right now in San Francisco when it comes to crime. We're going to pick it up there with the guys from Ruthless right after this. There's a court officer, I believe, who enters before him, doesn't hold the door open for him. And the former president actually has to push the door open for himself, which is probably the first time he's had to do that in quite some time. That alone, knowing Donald Trump will stick with him in a way, just a symbolic way of noticing that the difference, the lack of pomp and circumstance, the lack of sort of, you know, service being provided for him. What I mean, what an idiot that's going to stick. That was Alyssa Farah from the sound of it with her insightful political and that's going to stick with him.

They didn't open the door in the courtroom. My God. It passes for political analysis, but it's truly Trump derangement syndrome. That's being masqueraded around as political analysis. That was just for fun. Let's go to Chicago. Chicago. My God.

I have to say I'm sad. I'm sad for the city I spent five years of my adult life in. I thought when they booted Lightfoot and my friend John Cass, who's written so beautifully about what's happening to his beautiful city time and time again, check it out at John Cass News. They had a relatively moderate candidate right there for the taking, which, you know, the hope was that this guy could have taken Chicago back to the mayor daily years. That's when I lived there, when you could eat off the sidewalks. They were so clean. It was a well-oiled machine.

And instead of going with this moderate candidate, Paul Vallis, they elected what the editors over at National Review are calling a dream candidate for national progressives, Brandon Johnson. This is their description. African-American lobbyist for the powerful and radical Chicago Teachers Union, in addition to his nominal duties as Cook County Commissioner, which the Cook County CTU, Chicago Teachers Union, funded 90% of his campaign. He promised to immediately raise $800 million in city taxes, not just on high earners, but on tourists and commuters who live outside of the city. In an election fought primarily on the issue of crime, the murder rate in Chicago has skyrocketed since 16. Johnson was a candidate whose most moderate position was retreating from his

original position of defund the police to a no additional funding for police stance that he regards as a compromise. Instead, he wants to hire social workers to replace the missing police manpower in Chicago's most crime and gang ridden communities. Oh, my God. I've actually gone right into the heart of some of those communities a number of times. And most recently, while I was at NBC to do an in-depth piece on this wonderful nun who's trying to help these communities with social programs and help some of the moms who are grieving their sons who are in prison or their husbands who got shot and so on. No social worker is going to do it. Okay. Little boys who are eight are being shot in their living rooms. Moms have their children

on all on their stomachs trying to dodge crossfire that happens in the late afternoon. Just to get to this nun's community center to go meet with her for counseling session, you have to be afraid for your life. No social worker is going to be able to go in there and make one damn bit of difference. But nonetheless, this city, guys, has elected the dream candidate for national progressives, Brandon Johnson. My God, what do we make of it? I think we're sort of at the precipice of losing most great American cities, to be honest with you. Megan, I'm truly depressed about it because you just rattled off the statistics. I don't think if you live in Chicago, you're unaware of the fact

that it is entirely a different city that you feel unsafe in. Right. I mean, that's just to state the obvious. It's like San Francisco, the same thing, right? When you can't have a Walgreens downtown because it gets looted twice a day, you know, maybe we should change your policies. But the progressive infrastructure in all of these cities is so strong that it just overwhelms any amount of common sense that anyone could effectuate on any of it. And so election after election, this same thing happens, right? Occasionally you get something where they get thrown out.

Occasionally people will walk back a touch from the whole defund the police deal. But what they mean is they don't want to enforce the law. That's what they mean. I mean, that is the core of their ethos as it applies to all policing within a city. Like they believe that not enforcing the law is somehow a civil rights issue. They've become entirely captured by the ideological project of the left irrationally against their own self-interest. I mean, it makes as much sense as Bud Light, you know, an American working class beer, making transgender Dylan Mulvaney a spokesperson.

Like they know it's not in their best interest, but they do it anyway because they're committed to an ideological project. I think it's obviously tragic. But don't you think, I mean, I really do believe that we are on the precipice of losing these cities. And I think a lot obviously tragic. But don't you think I mean, I really do believe that we are on the precipice of losing these cities. And I think a lot of it is that, you know, when you speak about the progressive machine that exists in these cities, New York and Chicago,

it's when they propose that they want 800 million more raised. They know that's not going to stop crime. They know that the social workers that they hire is the same thing that they do in all institutions where they'll bring in as many left wing ideological people to, you know, make sure that the idea DEI essentially is, you know, from top to bottom in every single organization that controls any budget. So it's basically just a payoff. It's a patronage system that exists within these left wing cities. And that's why they do it, is because the money's that great. My friends have no qualifications, but they're ideologues like me, so why don't we just have the taxpayer give us all their money? That teacher's union, that's who's going to get the money.

And then look at San Francisco. Look what happened today. The creator of Cash App, I don't know if you guys hear about this? Yeah, tragic. This horrific, disturbing murder happened early Tuesday morning. He's a top Silicon Valley entrepreneur stabbed to death in San Francisco, was just 43 years old. They think it may have been a random attack, really uncertain at this point, too early

to tell. But that city was once one of the crown jewels of America. And now it is a criminal hell hole. I would never go to San Francisco. I don't want to step foot in that town. And most normal people don't either. It's completely heartbreaking. And my understanding is he had just moved his family to Florida because of the state of San Francisco. And he just went back for a quick business visit. And this tragedy occurred. Oh, man. But it's just I hate to be so blackpilled about it, but I don't know what you can do. Right. I mean, can you have any more evidence of a problem and still not do anything

about it than this? I don't know. I think you can. Right. Because we've seen criminal crime was one of the main issues, if not the main issue in Chicago. And still they elected this guy. It was tight. It was, I think, fifty two forty. And my heart goes out to the 48 right now. They must feel so disheartened that their city's not only going to remain on this Lori Lightfoot path, but double down, triple down. It's going to go even farther left. And it's just depressing. San Fran, Chicago, New York, not to get started on the deeper blue like Baltimore and so on. Stand by Ruthless. We'll do some fun next.

You mentioned Dylan Mulvaney. We're going there and we'll get to Don Lemon. Apparently, according to Variety, with a long history of misogyny. Didn't I say this? I said this. We'll get to that in one second. So back in February, I was out in Vegas for a business slash pleasure adventure out there and met some of my girlfriends and did sort of a public appearance and so on. And the story about Don Lemon and Nikki Haley broke. You know, women are past their prime when they're, uh, you know, third thirties, maybe 40, maybe 40. And this was in response to Nikki Haley. Um, so women everywhere on the left and the right,

and a lot of men too said like, you're an idiot. Um, it was, it wound up going into the speech of the best actress winner at the Oscars who said, don't let anyone tell you that you're past your prime. This is a 60-year-old woman. He got criticized by Karine Jean-Pierre at the White House podium. He got criticized from Anna Quinlan, famed left-wing amazing writer. She's written so many great books. And of course, people like me and women on the right as well. Nikki Haley spoke out.

Go down the list. This was not his first foray into misogyny. There had been a list, a considerable list prior to that moment from him saying that one of Bill Cosby's rape victims should have just bitten down to prevent herself from being orally raped because that's really, that reflects the power and physical dynamics between a rape victim and her rapist. What he said to S.E. Cupp on the air when she forgot her words. Oh, is that your mommy brain? That's your mommy brain, right? S.E. Cupp was noticeably, visibly irritated and said, no, Don, I just forgot my words. We could go down the list. So at the time I said this on the air, on the air, watch this. This is a pattern of him diminishing. I'm telling you, look into it. If any reporter worth their salt would actually do some digging, call CNN, do it. Call their HR right now. Find out whether he's got a history of harassing his female colleagues.

We did, by the way, call CNN and asked about whether there's been any history of problems with Don Lemon and women at CNN, and they ignored us. It blew us off. You're not gonna be able to avoid it forever. If he's got some history, we're going to find out about it. And then you're going to look stupid. By the way, Chris Licht, I know you're new. You should look into it right now before you give him another pass. Wow. Yeah. Nostradamus. Okay. Can I tell you? And now Variety dropping this article by Tatiana Siegel, Don Lemon's misogyny at CNN exposed malicious texts, mocking female co-workers and diva-like behavior. And I just want to tell you, this is what we actually went to CNN and asked at the time,

because this ain't my first rodeo. I have been through these things with men who have a series of patterns against women many, many times. And I've called it out on the left and the right repeatedly check the record. Um, so I asked the following questions, my team of CNN at the time, this is what we, they blew off. Has Don Lemon ever been the subject of a human resources complaint by a female anchor or correspondent? Has he been accused of harassment or other improper behavior by any CNN employee? How are such complaints, if any resolved, has he faced any disciplinary action

or demotions in the wake of any such complaints from the beginning of his employment with CNN to present day? And they blew them all off. Okay. I guess those weren't relevant, but Variety forced them to respond on some of this stuff because I didn't even touch on the harassment he's been doing, or I don't know what word you'd use. I'd say harassment, but just mistreatment of his female co-anchors, which has been making news for months now. We forced at least one of them crying into the bathroom. One ran off the set upset. He keeps interrupting. He keeps getting upset that he's getting interrupted. He refused to go to break one time so that he could correct one of his female co-anchors interviews and try to lecture her on how it ought to be done. I mean, it's just, it's been ongoing. So it's very clear.

So now Variety takes this deep dive and there are many instances. All right. Soledad O'Brien is on the record. Nancy Grace, someone close to Nancy gives an incendiary quote. I'll get to all of this, but here's the first story. Kira Phillips, who was at CNN for years and now is at ABC Digital. In 2008 was Don Lemon's co-anchor. They had a show that they shared, and this is from the piece. Tensions between the pair kept mounting. By the way, that's exactly what's happening right now between Lemon and his two co-hosts, female co-hosts, Poppy Harlow and Caitlin Collins, which is the first show he's co-anchored with a woman since Keira Phillips.

Now we know why. Tensions between the pair kept mounting. A producer and a newsroom supervisor had to pull Don Lemon off the air during a commercial break because of the anchor's provocative antics. Kira Phillips was on assignment in Iraq, and while she was there, it was a high-profile gig that Lemon coveted. He vented his disappointment at being passed over by tearing up pictures and notes on top of and inside of Phillips's desk in the news pod they shared. I mean, if that's true, that's crazy ass, like single white female behavior, right? Like that's like, what? According to two sources who worked there at the time, I should say here, Don Lemon denies this and I'll read his denial in full. One night while dining with members of the news team, K desk, her photos and documents, to text messages

that are threatening from an unknown number on her flip phone, warning, quote, now you've crossed the line and you're going to pay for it, end quote. Phillips was visibly rattled and quickly enlisted CNN's higher ups to identify the sender. She's like, who's my crazy ass stalker? Remarkably, reports Variety, the texts were traced back to Lemon, according to these same sources. A human resources investigation was launched, and while the findings were never disclosed to the growing pool of staffers who were aware of the situation, Lemon was abruptly pulled from his co-anchor duties with Phillips

and was moved to the weekends. It was a demotion by any objective measure and understood to be some kind of disciplinary action. It appears to be the last time he was paired with a female anchor until his most recent assignment on the morning show with Poppy and Caitlin Phillips declined comment. And now here's the capper, a spokesperson for CNN said to variety quote, Don says, Don says as if CNN must rely on Don's word to know whether this happened. Don says the alleged incident never occurred and that he was never notified of any investigation. CNN cannot corroborate the alleged events from 15 years ago. What kind of an HR hellhole is this? No, keep going, Duncan. I missed it. What'd you say? It sounds like a real top-notch news gathering organization. They can't corroborate

anything. Their own stuff. We really tried. We couldn't find any reporter corroborating this at a news station. Think about, like, think about that. I mean, the guy, the intimidation that you listed out there and it's gone back, what, 15 years. I mean, shouldn't be Don Lemon's guys like Don Corleone. But Don says. Yeah. Don says it's not a problem. Don says it's not true.

Like, you can't find any other people at CNN who were there and on that team from 15 years ago. Where are your HR records? Because this is the reason why companies keep HR records for this very, right? Like, this is how you know if you have a problematic employee. You check the HR file and you figure out, oh, my God, holy shit, maybe we shouldn't pair him with Caitlin Collins and Poppy Harlow unless we've really assured ourselves he's had no interim problems with women. Oh, wait, check the record.

He's had a lot of them. He's said a lot of controversial things about a lot of his female colleagues. If you read this piece, my main takeaway is no one likes Don Lemon. No one. There's no person like the women who are quoted in here are all like he's a prick. He's a jerk. He's been a jerk for a long time. And this incident for CNN, just be like, oh, the records.

You know what? If the records don't corroborate, you can't find any records on this, then let's figure out whether Kira Phillips has an NDA because she must not have one, right? You can't find the records. Let her speak. CNN, will you go on the record right now and say, Kira Phillips, if you signed an NDA in connection with this incident, you may speak publicly about it because we have no information suggesting that it happened or that you were gagged. Right. I don't know what the truth is there, but I'd love to find out. Let's see if they do that. Right. Let's hear CNN. You love to speak. You spoke to Variety. Speak to me.

Answer my questions. I'd love to know your answer. I have a sneaking suspicion CNN's being a little coy with this and that that old Don Lemon's on his way out. And Ashbrook talks about this all the time in media reports with regard to Democrats. And I think with media hosts, it's the exact same. And that is when the media starts writing these stories about somebody, the calls coming from inside the house. Like when you see a hit piece on a Democrat, it's because it benefits another Democrat. When you see a story about a CNN host, it's because CNN is trying to get rid of them. I think that's a very astute observation. I mean, obviously, the guy's ratings are terrible. They've moved him around. Nothing seems to work.

And this has been going on internally for 15 years. And Megan, you know, as well as anybody else, these major media organizations can be very tough on the inside. And for somebody to have that sort of track record and have that many women talking about how horrible he is to work with, I think what Duncan's saying might be right. Maybe they're just looking to offload. I should say so.

I mean, what do you have to do to get fired around there? It's incredible. This dude, I'm beginning to think he has naked pictures of Chris Licht. Like how in the world? First of all, he had the most horrible show on television that practically nobody watched. And then recall, remember he was advising a subject

of the news of how to handle the news and that Jussie Smollett. Yeah. Jussie Smollett, right? Yeah. You know what that was? That's detailed in here that she goes back through that. And it's worse than I remember.

She writes, some colleagues questioned his journalistic ethics in 2021 when disgraced actor jesse smollett testified in court that jesse first learned that chicago police doubted his story about being the victim of this maga inspired attack after receiving a text message warning him from don lemon that's how jesse first found out the cops doubted him. Don Lemon warned him. And they quote a Washington State University journalism professor, Ryan Thomas, saying, involving yourself in a story, invoking a public figure, whether to warn, advise or coach, is as clear and bright and flashing an ethical red line as it gets in journalism. A freshman journalism student would clearly recognize the problems inherent. That's just one on the long list. I'll give you a couple of others. They say he called one of his producers fat to her face, that he mocked Nancy Grace on the air by mimicking her in a way that shocked fellow colleagues. Grace declined comment, but a person

close to her told Variety, quote, she thinks he's an ass and that he was colleagues. Grace declined comment, but a close, a person close to her told variety quote, she thinks he's an ass and that he was always quote, rude, dismissive, and really unfamiliar with the news content being discussed. Um, then a witness to the incident said that was the beginning of when you knew he was volatile and didn't say good things about women.

Then Soledad O'Brien, she was chosen to host black in America, that docu series on CNN. He reportedly wasn't happy, quote, from a colleague. He always wanted to be front and center on anything high profile, especially involving race. O'Brien, who was not present, tells Variety, quote, Don has long had a habit of saying idiotic and inaccurate things, so it sounds pretty on brand for him. It's the first time in my life I say, go Soledad, go. I totally agree with everything you just said. Yeah. The guy spent the last 10 years trying to be front and center on everything in the network.

And it turns out he's actually front and center on its decline. I mean, he is the worst host on television and I'm just, I'm blown away that he's still around. And especially with all of this news, you got to think, I really think that Michael's still around. And especially with all of this news, you got it. You got to think. I really think that Michael's onto something. I think that's a good point. You know, I read the article and there was a part where it said that Lemon

would always make sure everyone knew how litigious he was, saying that he'd won a lawsuit against Tower Records, that he'd won a lawsuit against the Chicago Police Department. And so I think he's kind of used that that, you know,

are of I sue people frequently to keep himself safe. And Chris Lick, fearful of that, of like, OK, what kind of used that that you know are of i sue people frequently to keep himself safe and chris lick fearful of that of like okay what kind of you know lawsuits what kind of problems would i face trying to get rid of them knows that and says you know maybe if we have an article like this appear can start making the case for why this guy needs to go yeah if his intimidation fails in person he'll get a little wine drunk go go to Cricket Wireless and buy a burner so he can send threatening text messages to you. Let's see. If he sues Variety, the first person who's going to get subpoenaed is Kira Phillips.

And then we will know one way or another. And then CNN will have to check its records because it will be under subpoena. And it will have to find out what's what's in that file and we all know what's going to be in there i mean come on they didn't throw that record out if they've got that um hold on one second okay now we're saying oh okay from the new york post cnn's don lemon is reportedly weighing a possible lawsuit over the report in variety as far as close to lemon said that he's outwardly playing it cool and that c CNN's defense of the anchor in the press shows that they are standing behind him. We'll see. We'll see if he sues Variety.

We're going to hear from Kira Phillips and then we'll know one way or the other. And we're going to pour through those records. Let me read you his response in fairness to Don. He says, okay, in a statement delivered to Mediate, which was writing up her report on behalf of Don Lemon, a spokesperson strenuously denied wrongdoing. The story, which is riddled with patently false anecdotes and no concrete evidence, is entirely based on unsourced, unsubstantiated 15-year-old anonymous gossip. It is amazing and disappointing that Variety would be so reckless. A CNN spokesperson issued the following statement Hello, CNN. You are the ones who would have that. Whatever. The Variety story provides no actual proof and instead relies on anonymous sources and unsubstantiated claims from 10 to 15 years ago. CNN is unable to corroborate the alleged accounts. Again, unable, unable or unwilling. I love that. We happen to have absolutely no evidence presented in this article.

Always, frankly, we've withholded. And I also love that every one of his colleagues is like, well, I just I couldn't comment on the record on that. But as a person close to myself, I can say I think he's a complete asshole. There's something there's something particularly funny about CNN after years and years and years of trying to get Donald Trump with bullshit. Now complaining about anonymous sources. Yeah, that's a good point. It's really a shame that Variety would do something like this. Some might even call it a good point. and didn't have a thought for their well-being or their future careers. And if you look through the list of this, I mean, like, may I refer you to what happened to MK Ham, who came on this show, Mary Catherine Ham, and talked about how she was told,

she was made to go on the air to talk about everyone's Me Too problem from, you know, Bill O'Reilly, then cross over to the CNN world, Jeffrey Toobin jerking off and not losing his job at CNN, and all the Me Too problems up and down the board there and elsewhere. And then when she said something on Twitter about Toobin, they benched her. They benched her for shooting inside the tent. It's like, wait a minute, why don't you want to shoot inside the tent at Jeffrey Toobin? That's a real question. They benched her and ultimately she separated from CNN under less than favorable circumstances. So that's what happens to MK Ham, who had the nerve just to send out one tweet about Jeffrey Toobin.

But this guy can can stick with the stuff that we know, right, that we've reported even before the Variety report. He he can get away with murder. And then they put him with the two female colleagues and sort of say, like,, you know, we're going to put him through re-education training. Remember that? It was going to be like half-day re-education training. How's that going? Yeah, it's just ridiculous. I don't think anybody wants to shoot anything anywhere with Jeffrey Toobin inside the tent for that matter.

Avert your eyes, at least. No, exactly right. Which, by the way, did you remember how they handled that when he came back on the air yeah it was awesome and they had him sit there and recount kind of like moment by moment what he had actually done to find like that was the most uncomfortable form of it's in television i've ever seen they did that to allison camarada yeah yeah and then that was another sin that they

did to her that was the point i was gonna make is they put Allison Camerota next to him to help him recount all of this, I mean, my God, to say you've got a real short-sighted view of how that may impact somebody's career is a real understatement. The report, again, I don't know anything about this, but the report suggests that Lemon had a very close relationship with a guy named Phil Kent, who was then Turner Broadcasting System chairman and CEO. And that would have been a level above the CNN CEO. And so that guy is the one who brought in Jeff Zucker. And so Lemon, you know, how close was the friendship? I don't know. They say that he was appearing at like basketball games with him and so on, sporting events alongside him in the Turner box. And so if he's tight with that guy who hired Jeff Zucker and then Jeff Zucker ran cover for him

all these years, was the one who put him in prime time. And we know now that Jeff Zucker had his own issue going with an underling having an alleged affair with a staffer. Our reporting put it had started years ago and you can't as the CEO have an alleged romantic affair with an underling. You can't. Every promotion becomes suspect and so on. Anyway, they're all compromised over there. It's like this is such a toxic stew. Media is a disgusting, toxic stew. I say that every day. I much rather broadcast from my third floor like I'm doing now. Incidentally, I think those HR files are in that dude's fireplace. The one connection to all of this mess, right? Yeah.

Whose fireplace? The guy, the chairman guy who hired- Oh, Phil Kent. Yeah. I mean, that's the guy who's like, hey, no, I don't see any problems. What's the problem? I'll tell you what, if there's one more incident with Caitlin or Poppy is done, is done. And if I were Caitlin, by the way, there was a report recently that Caitlin had to fire the shared agent that she and Don both had. had, right? Because she felt reportedly that this guy was looking out for Don's interests and not for hers. And so you can see, I mean, I just feel like these women were, were like lambs being fed to the slaughter and it's happened time and time again. And frankly, it happened at Fox with Roger Ailes time and time again. Um, and Bill O'Reilly were like, the company has knowledge

that someone is a problem and they always side with the problem, especially if the problem has power, has money, has something they can hold over you or the threat of a litigation, whatever it is that they're using. And the women up until the Me Too movement, always lost, always lost. Then Me Too was totally an overreach and got disgusting and weird and political. We started just emerging with scalps without any probing and facts. And it fell apart thanks to the left, frankly, and what they did to Kavanaugh and Time's Up and how dishonest. And now we're in this position where like, we're kind of back to where we started. We're like, we've, the progress has kind of been eroded. The Me Too movement has been exploded. And women really have nowhere to turn because

you can leave the set in tears after having been screamed at by this guy who I bet does have a long HR personnel file. And they just kind of say reeducation training by not good enough. No, it's ridiculous. And if you put yourself in the shoes of somebody like Poppy Harlow, who I actually do not know her personally, but I'm familiar with her career. And she's done every difficult, shitty job on air that you could do, like every feature, any time of day. She's done the weather. She's done everything. And she's worked her way up. And here she is sitting at a table with a guy who just gets a pass after pass after pass. And I just putting yourself in her shoes. It's got to be demoralizing that like this guy gets

away with everything and here i am just busting my tail on a daily basis and you know that the network has its its ideological bents and there are a lot of reasons why people aren't watching it as much anymore but i mean that is the internal toxicity is just one of the achilles heels of major broadcast media. And I hate to be even more cynical about it. But like you were saying, Megan, you know, these accusations have been going on for 15 years. It's only now that we're really hearing about it because he doesn't rate anymore. You can't get ratings.

They don't know where to put them. And so now the media will turn a page on him and he will be, you know, we didn't know. We just we didn't know. And it's like they knew and they didn't care. And now they can't because it's convenient. I feel like, look, it's it's hard to root for somebody to lose their job, especially because I was treated unfairly by an employer. Not over anything like this. Good God.

I mean, like this is a crazy pattern he's got, but I just think why, why are they so determined to save this guy? Right? Like this kind of a pattern, like Utah, like I'm interested in knowing exactly what's behind the knee jerk effort to protect it. Chris Cuomo was fired for less than this. He was definitely fired for less than this. Right. So close. I mean, they got rid of like four or five people for way less than this. Yeah. Okay. So moving on, because I have a couple other things I want to get to.

And number one is Dr. Jill Biden has stepped in it. Dr. Jill. Dr. Jill. Now, I don't really follow sports, as people know. So I haven't weighed in on this whole dust up with LSU and Iowa and the star players. And they were kind of doing face so facial whatever signals rude signals to one another to me that's like sports whatever i didn't i find it hard to get upset about these two women going at it with the facial

whatever the hand signals go for it you know women can be we can be bitches too we can be on sportsman like we can do we can do all the things that the men can. However, I do think it's interesting what's happening between the star from LSU and Dr. Jill. Dr. Jill Biden did something so stupid. She's so stupid. LSU won. And they're supposed to go to the White House, like all the winning teams.

And instead she said, yes, you should come, but also Iowa too. And then people were like, that's because Iowa's white. And then people were like, well, that's because Iowa's Iowa. First in the nation caucuses. You're thinking about 2024. I don't know why she said it, but her team seemed to be saying everyone gets a trophy, right? Like it's just that's sportsman like to invite the winner and the loser.

And then the star player, Angel Reese from LSU had the following response. She was not happy and said the following in South 13. I said what I said. And like, you can't go back on certain things that you say. I mean, you felt like they should have came because of sportsmanship, right? They can have that spot. Like, we'll go to the Obamas, oh, never mind. Iowa won't come. It'll just be you guys. And even the star of Iowa, Caitlin, help me out. Clark. Clark. Clark. I could only get Collins in my head.

Clark said, we should not go. The White House trip is for the winners and we didn't win. So good for her. And so Angel Reese has now revealed that they also rejected seeing Jill Biden come to their locker room before the game. And there was a real question about whether LSU would go to the White House at all. Angel Reese said, we're talking about it. We'll see. You know, we may not go.

They were mad. And here's Shannon Sharp, who had a bit of a freak out over the whole thing. That is kind of interesting. Listen to him. That's the part of winning a national championship. We get invited to the White House. The losers don't get anything. This is not a participation award.

The number one trending topic. What was it? It wasn't that LSU won. It was Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark. Yep. And so she's a doctor. If she didn't know, she should have known. Does Dr. Jill Biden

understand how this looks? She? White America? Yep. The losing side is white America? Come on, Dr. Biden. You know better than this. Did you forget who helped put your husband in the White House? You're going to find out a very serious

hard lesson in 24. You'll be like a Kentucky Duke freshman. You'll be one and done. You see how popular your husband is? I tell you what, he'll drop another 5% if he do this. Oh, boy. Now he's talking your language.

He's getting into electoral politics. Go ahead, John. It's not a participation award. I mean, you work your entire season long hoping that you can win. And what you get is to go to the White House, no matter who the president is. Sometimes there's politics involved and some people don't want to see Trump. Some people don't want to see Obama, whatever you work, you earn it. You get that trophy. You get to go to the White House. And I bet you Jill Biden and her team saw all of the Twitter activity praising Caitlin Clark right around the right around the game. She had a couple of big nights and she's a great player.

But they thought that, OK, well, we invite Iowa, too, and then we'll get the plot. It's on Twitter and we're going to have everybody's going to be happy. Well, she just she just screwed up. She really did. Right. I mean, the backdrop to all of this is not totally unimportant, which is Caitlin Clark in this Iowa team had a real special run. She is an incredible player, I might add. But they also had this incredible boon to ratings for the first time in the tournament's history. The women's tournament was routinely getting higher ratings than NBA games, right, which doesn't normally happen. And in large part, that was because of Caitlin Clark and the Iowa Hawkeyes. They go into this game. I think a lot of players from a lot of teams resent the heck out of the fact that this one player on Iowa is getting all the attention and all this mass media attention in the process. And so they sort of made a point of going after her. And after the game,

typically when you see everybody celebrating and enjoying their teammates on a huge accomplishment, the star player at LSU is in the face of of Caitlin Clark. And so I bet you that Joe Biden looks at this and she's like, oh, well, you know, let's just have a let's just get along type moment. Right. You recall, like the beer summit. Yeah. Right. But it's basically that kind of like ridiculous thinking it's pandering is what it is pandering but without looking at how that looks to the outside world who had been actually going through this entire emotional process with the players as they were watching right right so i mean it just it could not have been a worse mistake

i doubt the people advising Dr. Jill Biden had played competitive sports in their life. No chance. Because they would understand that this is like pandering of the worst kind. And yeah, I mean, it is like the beer summit, but like they're going to heal America, you know, black athlete, white athlete,

and elevate these women's voices at the White House. That's not how it works. Like, you know, do that. If you want to do that, do that during the context of a political campaign. So i mean i think it was incredibly cynical it was a mistake and a very cynical pandering mistake but you got to tip the hat to caitlyn clark because her response to that was exactly right right we didn't win the other winner goes to the white house like her her response that's that's good sportsmanship she is a star you know it was just to me it was

like she was so go ahead, Smug. Yeah. Oh, no, I think, you know, the problem here is Dr. Jill Biden tried to just like, you know, call an audible and and say that this needs to be done. And stuff sticking to the standard playbook of inviting a women's team and Dylan Mulvaney to talk about. Yeah, exactly. Dylan will definitely be there. We don't know whether lsu will show up wait can i tell you though i thought it was such a fail by jill biden because

dr jill uh i love how shannon's like she's a doctor she should know better but it was such a fail such a fail by by her because what we had here was actually a great moment for women. The women's NCAA tournament was dominating male NBA team playoffs and games. And it was by a lot, right? Like 10 million viewers, something crazy. And personally, I almost kind of liked the fierceness of the women with the face thing. Part of me was like, yeah, sick them, back and forth. Women can be fiery and they can get pissed off and they can have low moments. It's not like the greatest moment of sportsmanship, but I get.

But the point was simply like, I didn't feel offended. I felt like, yeah, I get it. Your heart's in it. You're fierce competitors. And so we turned off that tournament thinking like, yes, freaking you go. Women's sports, this is a great moment. They're not the most popular. So this was a new chapter in their narrative. And then what do you have? You have one of the most visible women in America with like her weak knee, like the female stereotype of like, there are no winners or losers. We're all getting a participation trophy.

Yay. No, we need fierceness at this moment. We need the little hand face. We need a little bit of that Angel Reese sass and the Caitlin Collins, or not Collins, whatever her now name is. Clark. Yeah, Clark. Like, I rise above it all. Losers don't go.

I'll be the winner next year. And then you have Jill Biden. Like, everyone't go. I'll be the winner next year. Right. Like and then you have Jill Biden, like everyone group hug. It was just it was just popping the balloon. It's insulting. It's insulting because those girls earned the eyeballs. They earned the audience because the competition was that great. The score, the stories, the background stories were that great. And everybody wanted to watch because you had two great teams going at it. that's what people saw i mean it was exactly what sports is supposed to

be yeah and it's not like john ashbrook's cincinnati bangles got to go to the white house when they lost the super bowl like a sports fan megan like this is this you could become a sports fan here with that kind of intensity. I only cover sports when it crosses over into my lane of news. That's generally my approach. This one crossed over to my lane and I started watching and I was like, what am I feeling? I don't know anything about anything. I'm just going to watch the story play out. And after a week of this, that's where I landed. The women on the teams did nothing wrong. They were pretty fierce and pretty awesome and good for them for making this headway. Dr. Jill Biden, another fail do better, but they should go to the white house.

And now they're saying that the team is going to go to the white house and hopefully everybody will, you know, behave well, be classy right now. It's time to put it behind you and, you know, be, be above board um i'll leave you with this because uh i know you got to go this is the new york post today the headline is lemon harangue with a picture how do they think of it put it put it in a museum i mean the most busted name in news co-workers on load on don anchor is a sexist diva okay so we'll keep following that let you know whether there are any updates you guys always great to talk to you uh so fun megan always

thanks for having us it's a blast to be continued. By the way, if you want to sign up for our American News Minute, it comes out every Friday. So you'll get an email from me tomorrow. And it's always super fun. Jeanette writes in, when Trump announced his candidacy for 2024, I groaned. But for our country to continue to exist, this political persecution has to stop. And I believe Trump's the only person on the planet who has what it takes to handle this. I am more in his corner now than I ever was before. Joe writes in, this is the first time I've donated to Trump's campaign and I would do the same to Biden if he was in Trump's shoes. There's a total double standard that is taking place and it is not good for our republic. Lastly, Bob writes in about the gag

order. There isn't one, but the possibility on the point of threatening a judge, maybe you can. I'm thinking about Chuck Schumer talking about Bretttt kavanaugh and neil gorsuch and the lack of law enforcement against people at the justices homes good point bob um yeah very good point all right let's get to some callers because the lines are lighting up and uh we'll go to marvin down in florida where the top two gop contenders happen to live right now. Hi, Marvin. What's on your mind? What's on my mind is that I love Donald Trump. He cannot win.

And the Republicans must win in 2024. Why can't he win? Because he doesn't have a positive outlook. He doesn't speak the way forward. He only speaks of revenge, of what they've done to him yes they've done a lot of things to him but you know what he has to move forward he has to present a positive message message and i don't believe that he can do this because it's not within him we think he's you know we love donald we love Donald. But I want to tell you in Florida,

we love Ron DeSantis also. And he's Donald in a different kind of package. And I have a little concerns about him being a Bush and a Karl Rove protege somewhat or them helping in his campaign. But we must win 2024.

Do you agree? Well, I mean, the Republicans, if they lose 2024 and they don't recapture the Senate, I mean, I just don't know. Like, look, look what's happening with the legislation that the left is pushing. I don't know when it could ever be reclaimed. I don't know how much of the country, how different we're going to look if they ever do manage to. All these electoral changes they've done on the vote, the mail, and now the redistricting in places like Wisconsin, that's about to happen. You need a winner. I don't know. Smarter than people and I have said, Trump could win it now because he's the only one who knows how to, and he's got so much support within the GOP. But I don't

know if those independents who rejected him in 20 are gettable. That's the big question. Marvin, thank you for weighing in with your thoughts on it. Let's go to Jenny in Tennessee. Jenny, I've got your number. What's on your mind? Boy, I think I just said that. I think Trump's message has changed. I agree with the ruthless guys.

He's not talking about the election any longer. I think he is talking about a positive message. But as a Trump supporter, if he doesn't get it, I'm really interested in RFK. He just got into the mix of it. And my vote will go for him. I don't trust DeSantis. DeSantis wasn't a Trump kind of bombastic guy from the get-go. He did it because it was a winner. And if he gets in, I think he's going to resort back to a establishment kind of person. And I'd rather have RFK. I know what you mean. One great thing about RFK Jr. is he doesn't give a damn what you say about him. He will stay on his mission. And he has been that from the get-go. DeSantis has it. DeSantis went and became a Trump-like candidate because it was a winner.

He did not win that way in the beginning. Trump had to come on and pull him. And then he saw that that's what his constituency wanted. But I think if he got up there, he would go back to the, like you said, call road type establishment. And he would not be that. He would not be the bombastic firehouse that we need. RFK will. He took on, you know, Big Pharma and didn't care. Yeah. And told the truth. It's true. He took on, you know, Big Pharma and didn't care. Yeah. And told the truth. It's true. He took on his own party and didn't care. So he's now for the viewers. And so if Trump doesn't get it and if the Republicans, if we can't get behind one person, that's why Democrats win, because they will hold their nose and they'll put their person in office.

We don't do that. And so if we don't do that, then I'm putting someone that'll be the truth teller and that'll be RFK. So interesting, Jenny. We got to talk more about the RFK junior presidency or the run candidacy taking on Joe Biden. He's running as a Democrat, which he is. And if you want to go back and listen to our interview, he explains why. Had him on a few times. Thank you, Jenny, for calling. Let's go out further west. Howard in California. What's on your mind? Yeah. Hi, Megan. Yeah, I just wanted to say the whole thing with Trump right now, being front and center on the news almost looks like it's something right out of the Democratic Party playbook, because now all the news and all the major media networks are talking only about Trump. It's all Trump, Trump, Trump, nothing about the fentanyl crisis, nothing about the southern border crisis, nothing about the banking crisis, nothing about the terrible economic crisis overseas or the bad foreign policy decisions that have been made sending hundreds of billions of dollars overseas to Ukraine and elsewhere. It's

just all Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump and nothing else. You're right. Look at this week, Howard, one of the big stories, and I'm embarrassed to tell you we didn't get to it either, and I want to in more depth, was the spy balloon news. You know, that the spy balloon, the Chinese spy balloon was spying on us and managed to collect a fair amount of intel from our military sites despite what the administration had told us. It's all Trump. All Trump all week. They're showing his motorcade leaving Palm Desert, Palm Beach. They're showing his airplane taking off. I mean, it was just silly because it's all Trump all week. They're showing his motorcade leaving Palm Desert, Palm Beach. They're showing his airplane taking off. I mean, it was just silly because it's all Trump. We've seen this movie before.

Yeah, they're going to give him hundreds of millions of dollars worth of free advertising. They're going to help him get the nomination because they know they can beat him, or at least they feel strongly that they can. And they're worried about other potential candidates that may talk about the issues that they can't beat. So it's right out of the Democratic Party playbook in my mind. But as your last listener said, I am also a huge fan of Robert F. Kennedy. And although I've never particularly voted Democrat, in fact, that's not something that's been in my DNA since my father in his will said, since I have no cash bequest to leave you, I leave you, my children, the proud Democrat. He's what a strong, ethical man. He really is. I really feel like I got to know him very well in preparing for those in-depth interviews and doing them.

And I'm excited to see him throw his hat in the ring, too. It's going to make it a lot more interesting. Howard, thanks. Thanks for calling in. Let's go to Stephen in New York, not far from where I am. Hi, Stephen. What are you thinking? Hi, Megan.

Thank you for taking my call. It's such an honor to speak with you. Thank you. You know, I just wanted to say, registered Republican, born and raised New Yorker, you know, watching Donald Trump growing up in my life, he helped build New York City with the woman rink. He's done some incredible things. He's gave a lot of people jobs. And everybody I know got behind that. We're feeling unheard. We're feeling unrepresented. With that said, this was a terrible week for him.

Nobody wants to get arrested. Look what they did to him. Family's embarrassed. They say, oh, Melania didn't even show up. Why would she? She probably felt terrible for him. Nobody wants to see that. So with that said, I had stopped giving, contributing to the Republican Party or to the Trump campaign. But you know what? I felt so guilty. I had to. Doesn't mean

I'm still supporting and I'm still on the fence. I'm sorry. You donated to Trump in the wake of his indictment. That's right. I donated to him after stopping after the whole impeachment and just the chaos and not even, you know, has a lot to do with him. Let's be honest. He makes some terrible choices. He's made some terrible cabinet choices. There's a lot of things, but he's a fighter. And as much as we like as a New Yorker, like of Ron DeSantis and the stability, who's fighting, who's punching back? You know, it's really starting to feel we're starting to feel deflated. I won't say defeated because we can't be defeated, but I understand. I understand. You don't you don't want you're worried about electing somebody who's going to go into the White House and turn out to be

like a Chief Justice John Roberts, who got very squishy despite a lifetime of conservatism because he just saw his role very differently than we anticipated he would. So I get it. And Trump is whatever you say about Trump. You cannot say the man doesn't know how to fight. He does. Stephen, thank you. Interesting thoughts. OK, let's go out to David in North Carolina, down to David in North Carolina. Hi, David. What are you thinking? Hi, Megan. Look, the Democrats have been doing this since they ran Tom DeLay out of the Congress. The DA in Austin basically prosecuted him for practicing politics. He did the same thing to Rick Perry.

Local Democrat liberal DAs have been doing this, and Republicans, they just stand around and stamp their little feet and write a strongly worded letter and say, oh, what a horrible person you are. And then we don't do anything about it. I heard your show with Charles C.W. Cook, and I think he made the comment, you know, when this happens, you know, it's just what did he say? It's tempting to, you know, turn the tables and do the same thing. But then, you know, as usual, the National Review crowd, they're going, but you know what? That that's not what we are. And you know what?

We need to be that. So give them a taste of their own medicine because it's the only thing that'll stop them. Sometimes the low road is the only thing people understand. You mentioned Tom DeLay. It takes me back, David, to when I was a junior at Fox and they sent me down to cover one of those court proceedings against him. And the protesters were out there and they sort of hijacked my live shot. And the anchor back at the desk said, what are they saying? What are they chanting? And I remember trying to be taken seriously. I was very young and saying they are chanting Tom DeLay is a stinker. He'll be headed to the clinker. Back to you in the studio. But you're right. They've been fighting these fights for a long time and viciously. David, thanks. Thank you for calling. Let's go to Roxy in Chicago, Illinois. Roxy, oh, I'm sorry for what's happened to your city. I don't know how you voted, but

gosh, that was a close election. And I don't I don't like where it's going. Yeah, well, it's been a little interesting this past couple of months. But I just want to say that I think that your influence on women is really amazing. And I think what you're doing right now is awesome. Oh, thank you so much. You sound young, Roxy. Maybe you were too young to vote. Yeah, just a little bit. Oh, well, thank you so much for calling. I'm glad you listened.

And my hat goes off to you because it's not the easiest time to be a young woman in America, but it's still awesome. I highly recommend staying in our lane. Womanhood is a net benefit as you age and you embrace it and you get married and you have kids and all the goodness or just embrace your career. And I hope if you listen to the show, you know all of the goodness that's available and awaiting

for you. Thank you. Thanks for calling, hon. Okay, so let's go to let's see, J.R. J.R. in Ohio. Hi, J.R., what are you thinking? I just wanted to talk about Trump's comments about the judge and his daughter the other day. I think the initial reaction was somewhat negative, but I think it was a very strategically smart because he's trying to send a message out to the country that this is really the elites versus everybody else. And that this judge,

he can make a phone call and get his daughter a job with the vice president or, you know, on her campaign or whatever. The average person can't do that. And it sends a signal that he is against the elites. You know, there's a group of people that are on the inside. He's on the outside. And it's very subtle, but it's more than just a personal attack. And it's very much consistent with what you've been covering, where we have this distrust of institutions because of COVID, because of the lies, because of the lockdowns and all these things. And it breeds a distrust of elites. And you know, Harvard pedigree that used to engender trust.

That's gone. I mean, that's a good point. Large segments of the country that is gone. And I think that's a good point. Trying to plant that seed, you know. He does a great job of calling out the elites and the establishment and the us against them. And they play right into the narrative. J.R., thanks for your thoughts.

Quickly, before we go, Jessica in Indiana, what's on your mind? the us against them and they play right into the narrative. J.R., thanks for your thoughts. Quickly, before we go, Jessica in Indiana, what's on your mind? Hey, Megan, thank you for taking my call. I just had a quick question or sort of what advice would you have for kind of center, center right women that just graduated college in their mid-20s for finding just a good guy. Honestly, I have so many girlfriends that are single that don't want to be on the app. So what advice would you have? Okay, I've got thoughts on that. I'll give them to you quickly because we're ending the show. But make all the deposits you can into yourself, join a book club, join a music lesson, uh, make yourself as full as you can, uh, emotionally, spiritually, intellectually,

and the good man will come. You will meet him in one of these settings could be church, could be any place, probably not going to be the bar, but the more interesting, strong, dynamic, and fascinating you are the better man you will attract. And then we will be talking about how you're going to beat them off with a stick because you have so many great options available to you. And it's just a question of choosing. And I hope that happens for you. More on that in another show. Jessica, thanks for calling in. All right, we've got to go because the show's over, but hope you'll tune in again tomorrow. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show show no bs no agenda and no fear