The Megyn Kelly Show - What Happens Now with Comey and Letitia, Absurd Couric Comments, and J.Lo’s Revealing Outfit, w/ Aronberg, Davis, and Benny Johnson | Ep. 1201

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

Megyn Kelly is joined by Dave Aronberg, MK True Crime contributor, and Mike Davis, founder of the Article III Project, to discuss the dismissed federal criminal indictments against James Comey and Letitia James, the judge's reasoning, what’s going to happen next, the new evidence on New York Attorney General Letitia James' taking investment property deductions for many years, Katie Couric’s ridiculous comments about the media, Jen Psaki comparing the White House press corps covering President Trump to the Kremlin, the left's disgusting comments about Erika Kirk, Erika's reaction to the media's commentary about her hug with JD Vance, the lack of faith in today's world, Jennifer Lopez’s revealing outfits while performing at a billionaire's wedding in India, Melania Trump's classy look at the White House Christmas tree event, and more. Davis-https://article3project.org/Aronberg-https://substack.com/@davearonbergJohnson-https://www.youtube.com/bennyjohnson  Shen Yun: Visit https://ShenYun.com/Megyn to buy tickets and waive fees.Grand Canyon University: https://GCU.edu/MYOFFERAll Family Pharmacy: Don’t miss All Family Pharmacy’s Black Friday BOGO—buy one get one free at https://AllFamilyPharmacy.com/MEGYN before December 2.SimpliSafe: Visit https://simplisafe.com/MEGYN to claim 50% off & your first month free!  Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show. We got a big show for you today. Benny Johnson will be here with the latest on Senator Mark Kelly under investigation over that video, where he warned the military about following Trump's illegal orders. Which ones are those again? Plus, Jen Saki is complaining about the press. being soft on Trump. Okay, that's the issue. Yes, it's the press is too soft on Trump. But first, we have got to discuss this. What happened yesterday. A Clinton appointed judge dismissing both indictments against James Comey and Letitia James, finding that Trump prosecutor, Lindsey Halligan, was improperly appointed. That sounds like a major victory for Comey and Tish

James, but we took a closer look at the cases. And both Comey and James should not be celebrating quite yet because this thing is far from over. To help us dive into this, we're going to bring in two of our favorites, Dave Aaronberg, former state attorney for Palm Beach County, Florida, and now managing partner of Dave Aaronberg Law and MK True Crime contributor and Mike Davis, who's founder and president of the Article III project. I have to tell you about this incredible show hitting stages soon, Shen Yun. In our fast-paced world, it is rare to find something that pulls you into the beauty of tradition like Shen Yun, taking you on a journey through five, thousand years of Chinese culture with dance and music that's captivating. You will see amazing dancers

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Guys, welcome. Thank you for a much. Yeah, great to see you. So if you watched anything on the mainstream media, they would tell you this is a complete victory for Comey and Tish James. I realize it is good news for today, very good news, but not quite so fast necessarily because Mike Davis, why don't you outline for us what the court did here and what's going to happen next? Yeah, there is overwhelming evidence that James Comey lied to the Senate and it obstructed a congressional

investigation as it relates to Crossfire Hurricane, the biggest scandal in American history where Democrats politicized and weaponized intel agencies and law enforcement to take out their political enemies. The prior interim U.S. attorney, who was on 120-day appointment, refused to bring the indictments against Comey. He also refused to bring an indictment against New York Attorney General Tish James, where there is overwhelming evidence. that she committed bank fraud when she lied on her mortgage application for an investment property in Virginia instead of a second home. So she got more favorable rates, higher risk. Lindsay Halligan got appointed as the next U.S. attorney and from U.S. attorney by the Attorney General.

She sought indictments against both Comey and Big Tish James. She secured those indictments with a Democrat-controlled grand jury in the suburbs of Washington, D.C., certainly not a rubber stamp, because this grand jury also rejected the more serious perjury charge against James Comey. They brought false statements and obstruction charges against him, but rejected the third perjury charge, so not a rubber stamp, and again, a D.C. suburban grand jury of Democrats brought these charges. So what did both Tish James and James Comey do?

They filed many motions to dismiss, many motions to derail these prosecutions. So Lindsay Halligan showed the receipts. But, but the specific issue at order here is an interesting one. I'll shift it over you, Dave. There is a statute that says when you don't have like a permanent U.S. attorney installed, that the attorney general can install one. And it says for 120 days. and then it suggests that after that 120 days, a district court may appoint someone to the position.

And the question here is whether only a district court judge may appoint someone to the position after the first 120 days, which is expired. And the question is whether, since it was A.G. Bondi, who put Lindsay Halligan in that position, after the temporary Trump A.G, the guy who was just holding the post until Bondi got confirmed, he appointed Siebert. Then Siebert walked. Seabert got, I think, Seabert lived out his first 120 days. He got reappointed by the judges of the district to continue. And then he either quit or was fired. It doesn't really matter. But the appointment of Lindsay Halligan was made by the AG. So it kind of went AG appointment, judge appointment, AG appointment. And now Tish James and James Comey are arguing A.G. Bondi did not have the right to appoint a successor that, in other words, after that 120-day period of the initial appointment expires, only judges can appoint subsequent U.S. attorneys, which I have to say, Dave, seems completely wrong to me. I just, there is no way that that is what Congress intended in enacting this statute. it would take the powers of appointment away from the executive branch and give them to the judiciary, which makes zero sense. Well, Megan's good to be back with you and my friend, Mike.

It's not just the judges, though. The president can still appoint a U.S. attorney. That person just has to get confirmed by the Senate, the whole advice and consent thing. And so what you can't do is that you can't appoint someone for the 120 days and they overstay there, 120 days and then replace them with another acting U.S. attorney for another 120 days or else the appointments clause and the statute means nothing because then the president and the attorney general can just appoint one after the next after the next without ever having the U.S. attorney confirmed by the U.S. Senate. And so that's the issue here. And that's something that Judge Curry brought up.

And by the way, the amendments to this law that says that the judges get to decide, That was passed after the whole Alberto Gonzalez U.S. Attorney scandal where it became politicized in 2006 under George W. Bush. And so the amendment was passed in 2007 in response to that. And it was designed to limit executive branch power. But, Mike, what the statute says, it's 28 U.S. Code 546 on vacancies, is except as provided in subsection B, the attorney general may appoint a U.S. attorney for the district that's vacant. subsection B is the only subsection for which the attorney general may not appoint the U.S. attorney. What does subsection B say? It says the attorney general can't do this if the Senate has

already refused to give advice and consent on this person. That's not this case. The Senate has not refused to do advice and consent on Lindsay Halligan. So the one exception in the statute to Bondi's ability to do this is not met. Then when it goes on to talk about the judges, it says, if an appointment expires, the district court for such district may appoint a U.S. attorney to serve until the vacancy is filled. And the question here is whether that is an exclusive authority by the district judge or a concurrent one. Like, they can do it or A.G. Bondi could do it.

And A.G. Bondi clearly thinks she can do it, that this is not an exclusive power to the district court. and there's a little bit of funny business in this Clinton appointed judge's opinion where Judge Curry, her name is, your guy, Will Chamberlain, who was on our AM update this morning, pointed out as a good point.

She had to break up the quotation of the statute and add her own words to make her argument. She goes to the part that says, hey, subsection D provides a single option for how subsequent appointments may be made. And she changed the words from, if an appointment expires, the district court for such district

may appoint a U.S. attorney, she inserted the district court and only the district court may appoint a U.S. attorney. That's the whole case. Like, that's, that language is not in the statute. And so the whole thing comes down to whether after that initial 120 days dies, can the district court and the AG appoint a replacement or only the district court? Your thoughts? It's concurrence.

And it's, look, this is what happened here. You had this, this Obama chief judge of the fourth sergeant. Circuit Court of Appeals, who, that's the appellate court over the Eastern District of Virginia, hand-selected this Clinton judge from South Carolina, this Judge Curry, and she came in there and she got the result that the Democrats wanted here. This is pure judicial activism. As we, as you said, Will Chamberlain at the Article III project pointed this out on his X thread where it's very clear that there's Judge Curry made up language in the statute to get the result she wants. And that is going to get reversed on appeal. Maybe not at the Fourth Circuit

because the Fourth Circuit is dominated by Democrats, but it will certainly get reversed by the Supreme Court of the United States. But the Democrats got what they wanted here. They got an embarrassment for Lindsay Halligan and they got delay in this case. And so, It is a purely political result here. And if this judge would have actually followed the statutes, you read them in harmony. You do not create constitutional conflict. That is one of the key canons for the judges to follow

as to a, it's called constitutional avoidance. You do not create constitutional problems when you're interpreting the law unless you have to. If the judge, if the Supreme Court doesn't take it, you know, if the fourth district upholds this. this Judge Curry and U.S. Supreme Court says we're not taking this, then this decision would stand. And there's, then it would. It would. If it's not, basically if like, if the Fourth District, the Fourth Circuit affirms her and Scotus refers, refuses to take it, then this judgment will stand.

And Halligan will be decued. She won't be able to prosecute this case. But now there's a debate about whether anyone will be able to prosecute this case. Letitia James is 100% going to get re-indicted. But the question is whether Comey can be re-indicted. This is, again, assuming that Halligan is off the case. Comey has an argument that there was never a proper indictment, Dave, because the person who indicted him was not properly in the role. And Judge Curry, in her opinion, says, thus restoring James Comey to the position he was in pre-indictment.

So she's basically trying to, like, completely nullify the indictment as though it was never brought. And the statute of limitations on him expired, I think, six days after she got the indictment. So while normally the rule is you can re-indict somebody when your indictment gets thrown out, within six months of the day your indictment gets thrown out, there's a question in this case about whether that would be possible. given the judge's language about the whole thing is like nullified as though it never happened to begin with. Right, right. There's that Latin phrase, but void initio, which means it's void from the beginning. So you can't fix a defect when she did not have the right to even sign the indictment from the beginning. So the whole thing is void. I guess if you translate that Latin

phrase, it means it's void from the beginning, or you snooze, you lose. And I think that's more like it. Because here, the judge in this case, she even emphasizes your point that you mentioned or the point that she mentioned in footnote 21. And this is where she hid in some dicta, which is non-binding language, which does show her hand that she does not think this case should be refiled. And it says here on this footnote, an invalid indictment cannot serve to block the door of limitations as it swings closed. So I think that's her signal. Now, I think also from a public policy standpoint, where you can make the argument that it's not good public policy to allow someone to appoint a prosecutor who does not meet the qualifications to be a prosecutor who is there

for the sole purpose of going after the president's enemies and got in there. just shortly before the statute of limitations expired, and then because of that, you give them six extra months to redo it and cure the defect, that would game the system. And I think that's a good public policy argument to convince the appellate courts that, no, the door is closed. You can't refile this.

Okay, but Mike, that footnote that Dave is talking about is this Judge Curry cites two non-binding federal district court cases outside of her district. One is in, well, one's from the, okay, yeah, hold on a second. Yeah, one's from the district of Maryland and one's from the Northern District of Illinois. Neither's from the Eastern District of Virginia. They would only be influential if they were her level.

But she needs, she needs Fourth Circuit authority or Supreme Court authority to say this cannot be refiled. and what she cites what Dave's quoted from there is quote this is from a parallel court in Maryland an invalid indictment however cannot serve to block the door of limitations as it swings closed and then she has one from the northern district of Illinois that's similar and then the judge goes on to say but if the earlier indictment is void there is no legitimate peg on which to hang such a judicial limitations tolling result, meaning it's, if the initial indictment is void, you can't get the six months extension. Do you agree? No, not at all. It's a, that directly

contradicts a very clear federal statute addressing this 18 U.S.C. 3288. That indictment, the only way you would be able to get this thrown out is if they brought the indictment after the statute of limitations already. And then they threw out the indictments, you don't get six months if you're already beyond the statute of limitations. That's not what happens here. So that, that, and this just further shows that this Judge Curry is going out of her way as a political actor to protect Tish James and James Cumming.

That's very clear in the first sentence of both of her orders. And I'll just, she gratuitously added these irrelevant digs at Lindsay Halligan that were not at all a part of her necessary for analysis. She says on the dates of the indictment for both Comey and Halligan, Lindsay Halligan, a former White House aide with no prior prosecutorial experience, blah, blah, blah.

That is completely irrelevance, whether she has... Totally agree. This is just a political hits by this Clinton Judge Curry on Lindsay Halligan to discredit her. Yes. What was the point of including that, Dave? Obviously, this judge is bitter and doesn't like... Lindsey Halligan, which, you know, I'm sorry, but F her. No one gives a shit how she feels about

Lindsay Halligan personally. That had no place in either decision. I will agree it did seem gratuitous when I first saw it. I was surprised. It was the very first sentence of the order, too, no less. And I think the reason why she put it in there was to demonstrate why this case should not be allowed to be filed under the savings clause, which says you get that extra six months if it's a procedural defect. She's trying to explain in advance of why this thing was null and void to begin with, because you had someone who is not qualified to be a prosecutor who was there for the sole purpose of just getting this indictment right before the statute of limitations. Let me ask you something. So let me just ask you something. Okay, because I never prosecuted

cases. I never prosecuted. I was never a criminal prosecutor. I was big law. I was at Jones Day for most of my nine and a half year career and on the partnership track and a successful lawyer. You want to tell me I couldn't be dropped into the Eastern District of Virginia and be the U.S. attorney? Bullshit. I could do it tomorrow after 20 years off. So I don't accept that she's not qualified just because she never did criminal prosecution. Go ahead, Dave. You are absolutely right that you could be dropped in and you could do it. And so could Lindsay Halligan, quite frankly. But the reason why they bring this up, I think, is more than gratuitous. I think it's just a show that this was an attempt at a bad faith prosecution where

they fired Eric Siebert, Mike Davis's friend from the Federalist Society, because he wouldn't prosecute the case. It's irrelevant here. I can see it's relevant to their malicious prosecution argument, which is happening in front of a different judge on a different motion. This is irrelevant to whether Halligan, whether only the AG or the district judges had the right to appoint Halligan. Go ahead, Mike. I would say this. Again, the evidence was so strong that a Democrat-controlled D.C. suburban grand jury brought indictments. The Fed Sock attorney didn't have any balls, and so he got fired, and they brought in Lindsey Halligan, and she actually had balls.

Fed Sock, meaning federalist society? Yeah, the Federalist Society, look, I always say that my friends in the Fed Sock are very good attorneys, but they're pussies, right? they have no balls. And we, so we had to bring in, we had to get rid of this pussy attorney. He can go back to his Fed Sock Debate Society where they, you know, they want to debate the nation's decay. And then we had to bring in a real attorney with balls, Lindsay Halligan, who actually saw the evidence and she brought the indictment. Look, they want to criticize her. They want to call her legally blonde.

You know, they want to say because Lindsay's beautiful, she must be. stupits, right? And it's just complete horseshit. It's the same thing with Megan. They think, oh, she's beautiful, so she must be a dumb attorney. These beautiful blondes will smoke these Democrat lawyers and these pussy Fed Sock lawyers

every day of the week. I mean, this is good TV. P-word, yes. This is what we love about podcasting. You can say it like it is. And, I mean, I see his point, though. Dave, I don't whatever her objections are to Lindsay Halligan, I don't

give a shit. I don't care. They're not appropriate. She was just trying to undermine her. And as you point out, in the first line of both opinions, dismissing Comey and dismissing James. I think it's fair because when I first read it, I thought it was gratuitous. But I do think the reason why she included that was to have a public policy reason, why this should not be refiled. It's even though she dismisses without prejudice, which said you could refile it, but she's saying you shouldn't let an administration take advantage of the system that. gives him an extra six months when from the beginning he was void. She was not qualified to be U.S. attorney, not appointed properly. And she got in and appointed for the sole purpose of

getting in there just days before the deadline. Wait, wait, wait, wait. And that doesn't give you an ability to get six extra months. How was she not qualified to be the U.S. attorney? Because she wasn't confirmed by the Senate and she wasn't approved by the judges. That's different. That's, that's different. Well, neither was Seever. He was approved by the judges. He was approved by the judges. So what? You don't have to be approved by the judges for this role. Yes, yes, you do. After 120 days, you do. But that's the point. The statute is unconstitutional. If you're giving federal judges the ability to appoint these executive branch interim officers, but not the attorney general, that shows the statute, if that's how it was written, which it wasn't, but if that's how these Democrat judges are going to misinterpret this statute to keep power and protect their allies, it's unconstitutional.

It's a violation of the separation of powers. Doesn't the appointment's clause talk about judges, though, Mike? It does. It does. We talked about this before we went on air, but we also have Article 2 of the Constitution. So judges can appoint magistrate judges, for example, right? And they do that every day in the federal court system. They have the appointment power over U.S. magistrate judges that do pretrial work, do discovery. But I don't think U.S. district court judges have the Article III power to pick Article 2 interim officers over the objection of the President of the United States and the Attorney General of the United States.

All right, let's, so we don't know what's going to happen. I mean, we assume Bondi will appeal this. But by the way, we cover this on AM update when it happened. But Bondi did try to cure whatever defect may be present by this Halligan, not having been chosen by district judges, by on October 31st. issuing a memo saying, like, I ratify, you know, what she's done. This judge said, nice try, but no cigar. Close, but no cigar. So they will appeal. The Fourth Circuit, I don't know how they'll find. I would have to put money if I had to on, they'll affirm.

It's a left-leaning court. And then they'll try to appeal it, the DOJ, up to SCOTUS. Scotus may not want to touch this. I have to tell you my analysis on this. If I were Scotus, I'm like, I can kill at least one of these things, the Comey indictment in the case, in one fell swoop. And that'll save me from having to get involved on all of the substantive issues that are also going to come up my way via vindictive prosecution and all the other arguments that he's raising. They're like, it's a procedural error. They made it. Like, I can get out of this scot free. So I would not, I would not bank necessarily in the Supreme Court.

taking this, because speaking of the P word, okay, we'll see. But if it's reversed and they say that the statute of limitations is extended, or if it's, let's say, even if they don't reverse it, if they at least find that the statute of limitations goes for six more months, Comey can be re-indicted. Do we all agree? Yes. Yes. Okay. So, and Tish James, without question, can be re-indicted, right? Yes. Yes. All right, the only question would be, would she, who's going to re-indict her? Because if Halligan actually is Ixnade, then, and it's because we need a judge to decide who's, like, this doesn't make any sense to me, Dave Aaronberg. So what's the, like, let's just say Halligan's gone.

Who's going to decide who's the interim acting U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia? The judges? Yes, a judge Curry's order actually says. It'll be decided by the judges. If that happens, then you've got some judge-selected U.S. attorney, and then you have Trump saying, okay, well, I want Mike Davis, let's say, to be the actual U.S. attorney for Eastern District of Virginia. And he has to go through Senate confirmation. And then you have all these Democrats who don't want to necessarily.

And Republicans. Yeah, and Republicans. Especially the Fed Sock guys, yes. They might not understand his brilliance the way we do, Dave. And so forever, they stand in his way. And as a result, the president doesn't get his choice. Even this isn't a judge ship. This isn't a U.S. attorney position.

Like, you see how this could be gamed so inappropriately by the Democrats if the ruling goes any way other than the way Mike and I think it should go? Well, that's the issue or the gaming seem to be from the piggyback on previous acting U.S. attorneys to get someone you wanted without having to go through the U.S. Senate. I see why you'd be upset about the judges doing it, and that could be a constitutional issue, but this statute has been around a long time. It has never been thrown out as unconstitutional, so maybe that's something the Supreme Court to take a look at. But Judge Curry's order said the judges will decide, and if the judges do appoint the next

acting U.S. attorney, there's no way that that acting U.S. attorney will prosecute either the Comey or the James case because they're a weak sauce. Although, if Trump gets to appoint his own confirmed by the Senate, I think you'll see the return of at least the James case. Can I ask this, Megan? What happens when these Democrat activist judges in the Eastern District of Virginia pick their fake Republican as their U.S. attorney, the next Fed Sock cocked. So then what happens when Pam Bondi and President Trump say, okay. Was that C, U.C.? Yes, exactly. Is that CUC? I'm trying to figure out what cuss words are acceptable on making sure we can say shit we can't say pretty much all of them i got to be on you yeah you can say it all so here's here's the issue dave what happens when this guy

will not prosecute and pam bondi or president trump say okay you're fired then what then then then the district judges are going to say no you're the president of the united states but you don't get a fire your u.s attorney because we're the all powerful judges and we we interpreted this statute to give us all the power over the U.S. Attorney for the next three years? We just saw this, this exact situation with Eric Siebert. He was appointed by the judges because he exceeded his 120 days and then Trump effectively fired him. So, yes, I would think the president could fire that person and then the judges would have

to reappoint someone else. So unless the president sends someone through the U.S. Senate. And then the Democrats, these Democrat judges can keep this going in perpetuity long past the six months to refile deadline. So who's playing the game? Dave, Dave, who's playing the game? Is it, is it President Trump and Pam Bondi who want a Republican who will actually do the job or these Democrat judges who are obstructing this with their games? Well, here's my question, though. If they want a Republican U.S. Attorney, they've got a Republican U.S.

Senate the last time I checked. Why can't they just get the U.S. Senate to confirm them? Because we have blue slips, which is a bullshit process where home state senators get a hand-select the U.S. attorney who would prosecute them, the district court judge who would oversee their corruption trial in the U.S. Marshal who had escorted them to prison. So President Trump can't pick a U.S. attorney in a lot of these blue states because these Democrat senators are refusing to return blue slips. All you need is a majority in the Senate to change the rules and the Republicans control the Senate. So if you want to change the rules, your friends in the Senate can do so. That's a fair point, but there would be a hundred. There would be a hundred senator revolts if they

lost this power. And that, it doesn't seem like it should go away, but it won't. But in the meantime, you can't have these Democrat judges misinterpreting federal statutes to give federal judges more power to protect their political allies. They're not the prosecutors. I have a question for you. So if the, okay, let's say they, they, they, it gets decided in a way that gives the government six months to refile against Comey and James, both of them. So I don't know whether Halligan is on the case in this scenario. or she's not, but the government gets six more months to re-indict them both. Do they have to go back before a grand jury again?

Do you have to start at square one? Do you guys know the answer to that? Yes. And Pam Bondi can go in as the Attorney General and get this indictment, regardless of who the U.S. attorney is. And so, and I think Todd Blanche is the deputy attorney. Are we a little scared about that? Are we a little scared about that, Mike?

Because now the cases have had so much attention. You know, the alleged grand jury pool has been manipulated by nonstop media coverage about how this is retribute. and so on. Are we a little worried about her ability to do it twice? I would, if I were the Attorney General, I would seek the indictment in the Richmond Division of the Eastern District of Virginia and not the Alexandria Division of the Eastern District of Virginia. I'd go somewhere where the people are a little bit less Democrat and less crazy. Sorry, Dave, but that's what I would recommend if I were, if anyone ever listened

to me. What do you think, Dave? I think they want to get to the Southern District of Florida, what Judge Aline Cannon is. I think that's where they want to go. Yes. That's exactly right. These are the appetizer indictments in Virginia. The appetizers got sent back. It's time to go for the main course down in Fort Pierce, Florida. That's what Mike's been saying all along, that there could be sort of a grand conspiracy case coming out of Florida that's going to pull in all of these same actors. And the statute of limitations on that will not have run. Not for Comey, not for any of these guys. I know. You guys have got to run.

So I thank you both so much. It's great to have you both. Dave, Mike, until the next time. Thank you, Megan. Okay, I do want to tell the audience this. This came out this morning. Hold on. So my update packet.

There's so much material as always, as you guys know, because we want to make sure that everybody knows exactly what's going on. And here's the interesting thing. There's new evidence now against Tish James. This is very interesting. So I'm just going to take a few minutes and tell you about it. So you know this bank, it was like a mortgage fraud case against her. She cares about mortgage fraud. Don't let her tell you she doesn't. She's made a long,

long history now of saying, doesn't matter whether there's a victim, doesn't matter whether there's a bank complaining or who lost any money. All that matters is you committed fraud in the abstract and that will subject you to liability in her case, potentially criminal liability. So those are her standards. We're just playing by him. She has argued I, we did this on A.m. of date. Did you hear her denial? She's like, I remain fearless. Like, who calls themselves fearless? I am fearless. Like, a normal person says, I'm not afraid and I'm innocent. She's like, I am fearless because of course she's got to be this like self grandizing, like just kind of pathetic. I felt uncomfortable reading it. Like, Tish, a fearless person doesn't say,

I am fearless. I just don't. Okay, so it made me uncomfortable, but there she is. That's her whole thing. She's trying to turn this into, like, I am woman, hear me roar. But she's in increasing amounts of trouble. So the MSM will tell you that there's absolutely no case against her. O contraire, all contrary. We had the former CFO of Crazy Eddie. Remember that? The TV company? Crazy Eddie. He went to jail for a long time on felony fraud charges. And he has since spent, I think, the last 30 years or so, working with the white hat on, trying to help people figure out, figure out when there is fraud and when there isn't, help the government figure it out in cases. And he took a hard look. He's not even a Democrat. He doesn't even, not even a

Republican. He doesn't like Trump. But he took a look at this. And what he found was she's in a lot a deep doo-doo because she represented one thing to the mortgage company about this home at issue in the Virginia case against her being her secondary residence, meaning she was getting it as a vacation home, basically. And then she was telling the IRS something very different, claiming it as an investment property, which has a different meaning. And let me just put it to you this way. If you get a second home, same as your first home, you can deduct things like your mortgage interest and I think your property taxes from what you pay. I'm not an accountant, but if memory serves, you can deduct those two things from your

income taxes, right, to show like I had to pay those things and I don't have to pay on them again. If you buy an investment property, one that you're going to rent out, one that potentially you're going to resell, whatever, to make the money off of it, that you can deduct a lot more, actually, expenses. I think, I wrote this down, hold on. On an investment property, you can deduct mortgage costs, rental income, insurance, mortgage payments, property tax, and capital gains. So there's a lot that you can deduct on that kind of a property. And it has, we knew when we had the CFO accountant from Crazy Eddie come on, you know, convicted felon,

he's quick to admit, he kind of uses it to show you that he does no fraud, sees it. But he had pulled her IRS filings and he said she's been claiming this house, the one at issue that she told the mortgage brokers would be her secondary residence as an investment property, which is a legally different animal for years with the IRS. And he said that right there is going to show the jury, if it gets that far, that she was deceitful. It can't be both at the same time, and it's very clear she did this. She classified them differently, depending on what audience she was in front of. And then this comes out in the latest document that was filed against her by the DOJ.

Letitia James moved to dismiss for vindictive and selective prosecution. And in response, the DOJ revealed new evidence against her, including a text message marked March 28, 2024. And it was about how she's taking deductions on, again, what we know is actually an investment property, not a second home in Virginia, the one at issue in this case. And she texted him saying, this is to her accountant, okay, her accountant. So this is an IRS filing. And she says, I do not want to take deduction. It looks suspicious.

And I need to do everything according to the tax code. So she'd been taking the deduction for years, by the way, for years. The government represents James represented that the Peron residence, that's the one in Virginia, was an investment property in her income taxes, including taking deductions consistent with investment property, not a secondary residence, because that was more tax advantageous to her. These deductions demonstrate that James never occupied nor intended to occupy, the Peron residence, as the mortgage terms required.

That's what she promised the mortgage lender she would do, and she didn't. Defendant continued taking the investment property deductions for several years until in 2024, she told her accountant, I do not want to take deduction. It looks suspicious, and I need to do everything according to the tax code. Now, March of 2024, you've got Donald Trump as the nominee, Joe Biden, extremely weak. June of 2024, he would have his meltdown, November of 2024, Trump would be elected. But in March of 2024, the numbers were already spiraling. And there was serious questions about whether Joe Biden could win. And I think she's sensing there is the possibility of Donald

Trump returned to office where somebody takes a closer look at my documents. And clearly, she realized that there was a massive inconsistency in what she was doing. One could argue a fraudulent inconsistency in what she was doing. And this will 100% come back to haunt her if, well, when her case gets refiled. We'll see if the throwing out gets affirmed on appeal. But even if they affirm the fact that Lindsay Halligan couldn't do this, she's getting re-indicted. And by the way, the case against her has only gotten stronger. So a grand jury, I actually do have a lot of faith, will re-indite her. And fearless or not, she's going to have her hands full with texts and documents like these.

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Here with me now, Benny Johnson, host of the Benny Show on X YouTube Insta. and all podcast platforms. Benny, great to see you again. We have got to talk about the mainstream media anchor, Katie Couric. Well, no one's media anchor right now, just has her own show, which is not really doing that well. But in any event. She clearly produces from a closet in, like, her studio apartment. And with absolutely no effort at hair or makeup.

I object. There has to be some effort for us all. Trust me, I don't look like this when I wake up either, but I make an effort because I'm on Camera. Yes, you know, I have the best that head and shoulders, two-for-one Costco special shampoo can provide. All you guys have it so easy. I look over at Doug in the morning.

He's at his sink. I'm at mine. I'm like, you wake up looking like that. It's just not fair. Can I give you my favorite conspiracy theory really fast? Yeah. That all of the lib podcasters who've been, you know, banished from their corporate media platforms that kept them so beautiful and powerful, almost like.

like a Frankenstein's monster, well beyond their expiration day, that they're all morphing into the same person. So, like, Rachel Maddow and Keith Oberman and Katie Couric, and they're all, like, looking the same. George Stephanopoulos. Yeah, they're all, they're all becoming the same, like, androgynous, weird, neutered, frail, like, like, crunched up, like angry little vestibule of hate, and they're all doing, it's very bad. You know, it's very bad what this stuff does, what this ideology does for you as a person, you know. I really hope that everyone on our side is becoming Melania Trump.

I mean, that's what we deserve to look more and more like her. Who wants to look like RFK when they're 71? What are you? And they're 71. I mean, that is like, what every man actually wants to look like. He's very fit. Yeah, you know, clearly quite attractive to a number of young reporters. Ice blue eyes.

Ronald Dahl has this great quote. I'm sorry to go off on a tangent here, but he has this great quote about how, no matter how beautiful you are, your ugly thoughts will begin to appear on the outside very quickly if you have ugly thoughts on the inside. And beautiful people remain beautiful well into their old age. We all have a grandmother, right,

that we can close our eyes or like a godmother we can think about and how beautiful they were, even in their 80s, right? Because they were beautiful on the inside. And that twisted warped, and cruel people filled with hate, that those people become twisted, warped, and cruel. No matter how fleeting their beauty might be,

they'll always become that on the outside. It'll manifest. And I think you can really... It's like those two ants and James and the Giant Peach. Yes. I don't know. You spend enough time with Roald Dahl and you'll see what he does to the characters

you really can't stand. They all want... Like, look at Augustus Gloop. Baruch assault was pretty, but not by the end of the movie. You weren't feeling that when you watched her go down the egg... educator, egdicator.

That's right. Point taken, I agree with you. Yeah. So it's like that's what they're all becoming. And I find that fascinating to watch at scale. That now that like instead of like going off into the sunset, yeah, instead of going off into the sunset. This is Katie Couric. I'm sorry.

Okay. I'm just saying we all need to work on it, including you, Katie. I'm saying it from love. Along with Jen Saki, who understands because she actually still has. has her TV job, the hair and makeup can make a difference, but has decided to bring her least attractive self onto Katie's podcast. Maybe it's because they know literally nobody's watching, but I don't know. Here, look at this absurd exchange about the problem with today's media. More and more of the questions in there are by sycophants, are by people who are not asking about

news that the American people cares about. But they're asking about, I mean, literally a question has started more than once, why is Trump in such good shape, right? Or they are, you know, putting out conspiracy theories. They're people who, and they are getting a lot of the questions. There are some of the people who are in the press pools. This means that reporters who are there to cover MBS being at the White House or to cover Zelensky being at the White House or to ask these questions that Mary Bruce fortunately asked yesterday, there are fewer of them. And that is, you don't know that and see that unless you've lived there, but that's a huge, huge problem. Because it's becoming more of a Kremlin-esque press corps. Right. And they've invited a lot of

reporters from very right-wing media outlets. Okay. Unlike the good old days prior to Trump, when the media was so hard on people like Obama and Biden. I'll give you the sound bite, Benny, then you take it out on the backside. It's not 24B. Mr. President, what did you order? Chaka, chaka, chip. You don't have any doubts that you're ready.

No. Where do you get all this confidence? How are you finding the job? It's exhilarating. It's challenging. What's the most frustrating part of the job? Do you take a day off? I got to tell you, when you walked in, I checked out, is she wearing them?

You're not wearing your chucks today. Trump has questioned Joe Biden's mental fitness and his cognitive skills. What do you want us to know about that? I mean, Joe is working so hard every day. And if you become first gentleman, what would that say about, you know, defining the gender role than about masculinity? When you watch the news, when you read the news, what do you think we get wrong? For journalists who watch what you do, what's your advice for them, about trying to stay close to the truth in this world of lies.

Is the relationship between the White House and the press corps now at least functional in ways it wasn't in the Trump years? We hear he's lifting weights. What sort of weights is he lifting? Does he have a personal trainer? I can tell you, having traveled with him a fair amount, sometimes he's hard to keep up with. God, Benny. So two major takeaways from that, Megan.

One, that's not good TV. So let's just start at the basic level. You have to have people watching. So this kind of like toe-sucking sycophancy is not fun to watch. It's not entertaining to watch. Like on your show here, right? Like what would be the equivalent of that? Megan, you're so beautiful.

Oh. How is it so hard being so smart? How smart are you? Okay. You could do the Tish James interview. How fearless are you? Are you just as courageous and fearless as I thought? You go, girl. Yeah. Wow. Like, that's no fun, by the way. That's exactly right. First off, it's just terrible for the entertainment value, for the news value. None of that works as an actual product. So start with that. But then graduate into what is, without question, the single greatest fraud, the most dangerous fraud pulled on the American people, which Jen Saki was the architect of, to her great and

abiding shame, which was that Joe Biden did not suddenly develop stage five pancreatic cancer metastasized to his bone, which all experts say is a death sentence. That is a horrible thing. Prostate cancer. Prostate cancer, yes. Yes, prostate cancer. Metastasized to his bones, which takes, according to medical experts, 12 years or more. They knew that Joe Biden had this terminal illness. They knew that he was suffering from it. He was most likely being prescribed an enormous amount of medication to deal with it. And that's what made Joe Biden so zonked out of his brain falling directly on his ass in front of military graduations, right? Like this was a, this was one of the largest scale lies ever perpetrated on the American people.

And that's a long list to be at the top of. And so Jen Saki was the major proponent and purveyor of that sinister lie that put this diseased and crippled old men. man into the hardest job in American history at the time when he was getting people killed with these Afghanistan withdrawals, when he was crippling our nation with open borders and so on, being taken advantage of because he was a dying man. It is indefensible. It is immoral. It is sick and wrong. And so for Jen Saki, of all people, to have a bloody cheek and to go on there and harp about reporters not asking tough questions or the press secretary not getting tough questions when she herself was on a level of Kremlin Soviet propaganda, encouraging

not only Joe Biden to run again when who knows how long he has to live. We know he's an end stage cancer treatment right now. So what was the goal there, Jen? Was the goal there for Joe Biden to die in office and then Kamala to take the reins? How sick and dark and twisted are you? People get ye to a nunnery, to a church. Like, get down on your knees and pray for forgiveness for what you've done to the American people. That's clearly the worst and darkest thing that I probably, hopefully, will ever see in American politics.

It's not. It's not. I have something darker for the next top of this hour. Poor old man. But no, I, so Jen Saki is living in la-la land, of course, if she thinks that Trump is the one getting sick of fan questions as opposed. to her old boss. When the White House press corps had press briefings under her and her successor, Corrine Jean-Pierre, the only hard questions that were asked for the most part were questions like the Republicans are arguing X. Can you respond? Right. Like that's as adversarial as they get because they wanted to tee up, right, Jenzaki or Karin Jean-Jampier into ripping on the right

half of the country. Now, at best, under Trump, which has a few more open doors to people who are open-minded to Trump, now you might get a more fair and balanced question from a right-wing perspective, right? Like, what is it that those six lawmakers did wrong in the video, as opposed to, how dare you threaten death for innocent U.S. lawmakers, right? So that's why he has more fair and balanced reporters in there now, because he's like, maybe I could get some fair questions from one or two in between getting abused by everybody else that's in there. That's what Caroline Leavitt goes through every day. She wants to pretend that in the good old days when she was there, it was universally

tough questions for Biden, and she was just super deft at handling them. We got a minute to break, Benny go. Well, I mean, of course what you want is do you want a reporter suite from a different perspective and you don't want one ideological block to be asking questions because that's not the American people. We aren't one ideological block. Megan, you were just on a massive tour around the entire country. You saw all of these different audiences.

You saw the different applause lines. Even inside of this ecosystem, there are such a diversity of opinions, and you spoke with people, and you heard the booze and the laughs and the applause, and it's different everywhere. And so you need those perspectives to be represented, and the best way to represent that

is to ask a question. Just hearing your perspective asked is a pressure release valve on society. And so it's a good thing what Trump's doing. Right. That's not how they see it. All right, I've got more for you. You've got to stay tuned for this.

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He's probably your number one customer right now. It's probably on there. If you know, you know. Tighter. Megan, I just want to, it is your show, so I just want to give you an opportunity to explain that joke because it is absolutely one of my favorite rants of yours in history. Oh, the David Muir thing? That was the biggest, I mean, that was the biggest cinch that ever cinched.

Oh, it was a rain jacket. Okay, so not only did it get caught, no, it wasn't a rain jacket. It was a fake fireman's jacket who's pretending like your little boy in mind that he was a little fireman with his little reflective, you know, stripes on it. And then he made the mistake of the turning to gesture to something. And we all saw the clothespins on the back of his fireman's jacket at a disaster scene. It was like massive floods. People were dying, and he was worried about his waistline. And he did it again, Benny, because we caught him out in the field that.

yet another disaster wearing literally this a type, I don't think his tight black t-shirt would have fit me. He got like my size and put it on his man body. And it looked normal in one of the shots. And then when he got to the anchor shot, it looked all super cinched again. The man loves showing off his teeny tiny waistline. What is that exactly? I mean, I guess he's just trying to delay the inevitable androgynous morph into the Rachel Maddow archetype, which by the way, we didn't get a chance to say, like, the clip of Katie Couric and Jen Saki, they're like indistinguishable, right? It's like they're all because, they're all coalescing into the same hive mind, the same person, the same like sort of hermaphroditic, like sad, crippled old

person. It's terrible. It's terrible. It's wonderful to see you on the road because I was watching those clips and the energy was incredible in those stadiums. And I know that it's not on the slate and the suite that your producer sent to me to talk about. But, If you don't mind, can I ask a question on here? Like, that seems like a spiritual experience. It was wonderful to see. It's wonderful to see that kind of energy. It's kind of the turning point energy that we get at these large stadium events.

You know, what's your biggest takeaway from that tour? Are we, what spiritual moment are we in as a country right now since you've been out, you know, with the people? I mean, my biggest takeaway was how healing it was for us all to be together. It wasn't just me with the audience. it was the audience with the audience. You know, people need to be with others. And when you can be surrounded by thousands of others with shared values, it's church. You know, it's church on steroids.

Like so many people, for example, in Arizona and California, which were the last couple stops on the tour, had flown in from Washington State. One family had flown in from the UK. A woman wrote me a very nice note about it in my show mail. Like people came from all over. Why did they do that? Because it's, they wanted to see the show and they wanted to see the guests and so on. But like they also wanted to be together. And so sitting there getting all the inside jokes, laughing with one another, rolling our eyes at the ridiculous left. It's therapeutic. And so while the right is having like some infighting right now, Benny, and they're important infights. Like they do need to be settled. Like the stuff on Israel, there's something shifting in the party and it's going to have to go through this and settle wherever it needs to settle. it was a long time coming, frankly. Net, net, we're still together. Net, net, nobody who's having these fights is going to vote for a Kamala Harris. They're all going to vote for a Donald Trump or a Marco Rubio. And I think for a JD Vance too, even though the neocons, he won't be

their first choice. But they're not going to vote for an AOC over him. So we're in the same family. We're having a family squabble and it matters. But the big picture is what really matters. And that's, I think, what I felt more than anything. Like the audience felt that, like that night I had Tucker and the next night I had Ben. Half the audience was on Tucker's side. Half the audience was on Ben's side, whatever, rounding my numbers. But they all still came. They all still wrote letters. They got fired up about one and maybe not the other. But we're all still part of the same family. You know, and I know your viewers are part of the same family too. It was great for me too. It's great for them. And honestly, like, I was struck just on a separate level by the vast diversity. In the audience, Benny, you know, like, in this realm, you don't really know exactly who your audience is. Like, when I was on Fox, I knew exactly what the key demos were. I knew how many I had over 55. I knew how many I had, you know, who were true senior citizens. I knew how many young people I had watching the show every night.

And they would break it down for you demographically in terms of men and women, race. You could find anything out you wanted, thanks to Nielsen and some other metrics. And now, you don't really have that. So, like, amazing. And my takeaway is, it's everybody. It's like, it's young people. It's middle age people. It's old people. It's men. It's women. It's people who have money. It's people who are working class. It's truck drivers. It's doctors. It's judges. It's diggers. It's, you name it. Like, I was very proud of what an array there was in terms of socioeconomic status. And also, I would say, you know, maybe we have, at the tour, we had slightly more female attendance

than we did male, but like tons and tons, thousands and thousands of men who bought tickets and come and who've been watching me. They tell me for 25 years, you know, these crazy numbers. Anyway, it's good too. And I'll give you one other thing. Sorry, now I'm really rambling, but you and I both know in our business, your primary interaction with the world can be on X, which I love and is my primary news source, but also. also is a disgusting, filthy, toxic place where you get nothing but vitriol. That's what we all sign up for. You go to Insta for the niceness.

You go to X for the nastiness. And if you spend too much time there, you can think that's real life. And so getting out and seeing like a bunch of people who really listen to the show and actually know me, you know, unlike the fake internet shit. Like people to spend 10 hours with me a week, they know me and interact with me. And that was so uplifting and just a good grounding reminder of what's real. and not to listen to, like, the nasty haters. You know what I'm saying? Yes, totally.

And not like I'm here to give your producers or the people who put your tour on advice. I'm not smarter than them. But as a man, can I give you a suggestion just to increase male attendance at these events? If you want to increase male attendance at your next tour, then all you need to do is just have one scheduling mistake. and you simply need to schedule

Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson on the same night and trick one of them, okay, and then welcome them both on stage at the same time and then just watch what happens, right? Yeah. Put the octagon up, okay, do the cage match and just let it happen, right? I think that's what everybody wants, in fact.

I would have loved to. And trust me, Benny, I tried very hard to convince them to talk behind the scenes. I offered to do a private coffee in which I monitor, Obviously, I offered the show if they wanted to do that, but I didn't want to commercialize it. It was really just truly about trying to find a way where they could, I don't know, get to detente. Private nicotine pouch session, yeah. Yeah, neither one is in that headspace right now.

It's too bad. That's kind of what Charlie always did, right? Is he always moderate, you know, he always brought these forces together, like the infinity stones, you know, and it broke the gravitational incompatibility. and then shoved guys like Elon Musk and Trump together, which is still miraculous. RFK Jr. and Trump together, which is still miraculous, you know, sort of like bridging the populist, Nationalist wings. Charlie shoved me and Trump together. He shoved me and Trump together. That's where I first saw Trump.

Yes. We had already made up years earlier, but I hadn't seen him in like three years until Charlie said, come meet him backstage at the turning point event. And I did, and everything was fine. And then we had an interview right after that. Like, thanks to Charlie. You talk about how there's infighting in the party right now. And everybody, that's obviously the headlines because they want to rip mag out of pieces.

On some levels, they've been successful with like the Epstein op. And we can talk about that. But I want to talk about it as, you know, in its totality, there's this incredible map, and I don't have it immediately printed out in front of me that shows the ideological spectrum of the left and right. It's pretty famous. This gets posted on X all the time. And it shows how narrow the ideological perspective of the left has become. because they practice, like, they practice true intellectual purity, like true proper

fascistic thought policing occurs on the left. And so the blue circle of what is ideologically acceptable on the left is teeny. And then it maps the right. And this is a peer-reviewed scientific study. And it shows something that is at least 10x or 15x bigger that shows the various nodes of right-wing thought and ideology. and what is acceptable inside of our space. And as you just demonstrated with your tour,

there are so many different ideas and ideologies that are roundly considered, part of the right? And Thanksgiving is just a couple hours away, right? So I liken it to a Thanksgiving table with your aunts, right? Who have drained an entire box of wine, you know, making dinner. And they've argued over. Yes, they've argued.

This is exactly right. That's right. whole jug of franzia is is like an empty jug of franzias rolling around and the boxes of wine are empty of chardonnay and you're like we're cooked we're cooked and the aunt's at your thanksgiving dinner are going to scream and they're going to throw things and they're going to argue and it might spill out under the front yard but in the end you're all family and in fact you're treating yourself like that because your family we wouldn't treat a stranger like that you know some things you can only say to your family and in fact you're you're a friend

and a brother when you do give hard truths to your friends. Like those are the kind of, you know, those are the people who really are your friends, right? Not the people who abandon you or don't give you good advice or let you keep wasting your life or making mistakes or harming yourself. It's actually your friends who give you the tough truths. And so I don't mind this whole MAGA infighting thing.

I don't mind it at all. I view it as a healthy family crucible Thanksgiving dinner table that's messy and entertaining and excited. And it's because we have so much ideological adherence to free thought and free association, which is our First Amendment, damn it. And that's what we all agreed on, right? We all agree that we have free association. And that above all else, we have the capacity to disagree with each other without hating each other,

because that's evil, and without killing each other, which is what the left has now resorted to. So if you want to see what, like, the opposite of my opinion is, it's not people who I disagree with who have ugly ideas or naughty thoughts or, you know, or opinions that I don't like because that's actually the point of this country. The opposite of my ideology is somebody picks up a gun and kills someone to end the argument. And that's actually what we're fighting against. Megan, I'd like to just realign our party into recognizing that this is good that we can all debate and disagree with each other. The best ideas will rise to the top. I'm sure you were surprised at various applause lines that were spoken at your tour, various booze, you know, that people got.

It's a wildly dynamic party. What didn't happen at your tour is nobody got killed, right, like for disagreeing. And that's America. What the left wants is the people who they disagree with to actually get harmed and killed Anna Navarro on the view, bragging, in fact, that Charlie got killed for his opinions. and that good, the good, in fact, what an evil witch and monster.

What a monstrous ideology. But they're going out and they're saying it, right? They're celebrating this result because that's what they believe and that's what they want. So it's good for us to paint a picture of the differences and this is the Thanksgiving

that you want to go to. Yeah, I love that. And honestly, like I'll double down on it because I've been having a Twitter war with Mark Levin. and before that with this guy, Abe Greenwald of the commentary magazine and many others who have just decided I'm against them because I won't disavow Tucker. I would take Mark Levin or Abe Greenwald or any of these people who are just very, very pro-Israel

aren't mad at me over the Tucker thing, any day of the week over this crew. I'm going to show you a soundbite. It's going to disturb you. You haven't seen it because it just hit. It's fucking awful. It's Joy Reed and those two hateful hens. I don't know what their names are. One I think is named Jennifer.

She's all over the internet, only saying hateful things about Republicans, but this one is particularly vicious about Erica Kirk. Watch this. Motivates them. So they can't have the successor to Maga be the guy with the brown Hindu wife.

They're also Christian nationalist. That ain't going to work. That's why he's throwing his wife under the bus. Or Usha, or she's in. on it, right? And playing slap and tickle with Erica Kirk's the weirdest shit I've ever seen. Yeah, she's like in her Tammy Faye era. Okay, holding

on the back of his head and rubbing on his head. Some weird shit. Baby, don't do that to Jason. I'm going to start thinking something's going on. Why are you holding the bigger his head? I'm like, you're not doing that right thing. You're supposed to be a widow. You're in leather pants. It is. That's not widowware.

Could you imagine Wouldn't it be the most perfect fairy tale, MAGA fairy tale? If he finally sees the light that he needs a white queen instead of this brown Hindu? I mean, I'm not saying that's happening. Right.

Or maybe that Ush is not even in on it. Maybe she's whatever. But that's one entrant. Another entrant is frankly Donald Trump Jr. If he can, you know, you know, move it together. This is so sick. She's speculating who Erica is going to be with.

She's going to break up J.D.'s marriage. She's going to wind up with Don Jr. She's not wearing the appropriate clothes in Joy Reed's view for a widow and the nerve to get out there. That other woman, she's in her Tammy Faye era. Fuck you, you absolute disgusting evil Creton. She is in mourning. You've seen her only at very public appearance.

like when she accepted the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Last night she did as a favor to me because I've been out there for Charlie and she knew Charlie and I were friends. And yeah, when she goes on camera, terrible, awful, unknown podcast lady, she puts on makeup because the clique lights are on her, because the cameras are on her.

And if she didn't, you'd be judging that too. So, yeah, she's beautiful. And she's used to looking nice on camera. And that's to her credit that she's able to pull it together. She cried the entire night, Benny Johnson, but through our interview the other night, she was holding it together, but she was nonstop tears. But she looked beautiful, and these hateful witches hold it against her and want to speculate about how it's an ultimate maga fantasy for J.D. to break up with the brown one and wind up

with Erica Kirk. What kind of hate—give me the divided, angry right any day of the week. Yeah. And there's a difference. The difference actually is in the data. I mean, what you saw there, you're exactly right to call it hateful, evil. It's demonic to laugh at and speculate on a widow who just had her children orphaned and her husband killed on a live stream. The world sought and murdered and some of the most heinous act of political violence in our generation. to our own JFK assassination. And this is what happened. And so now they're harassing and making fun of, you know, our era's, you know, Jackie Kennedy, Jacqueline Kennedy. And what does it say about you when you can do something like that?

How could you possibly resort to doing that? First off, being a parent, your parent, I'm a parent of young children. being a parent of young children is the most excruciating and most difficult and toughest job on earth and then to celebrate the widowing of that woman and the orphaning of those children you're evil you know you're a demon in fact that's just demonic activity and and i can say that as a christian not as a pejorative but as something that is doctrinal uh from a christian perspective because you can see actually the fruits of satan in people know you can know them by their actions In fact, you can judge people by their fruits.

Now, let me explain, Megan, why I know that the right won't do this. Because as we talked about earlier in this show, Joe Biden has terminal cancer. Now, I have an audience. We have 20 million subscribers across multiple platforms. We track very closely sentiment of our audience on certain topics. I didn't find a single member of my audience celebrating Joe Biden's imminent death. No one. I, as a matter of fact, prayed for him live on the show.

I prayed for him. Now, I think Joe Biden's the worst president in American history. I think I've spent as much effort as I possibly can to make sure that he doesn't become president again or that we hampered as much of his time as president as possible. I don't like Joe Biden. I don't want Joe Biden anywhere near power. I didn't once laugh, giggle, or snort at Joe Biden becoming a widow or his children losing their father because I can separate the human element of this, the spirit of

spiritual element of this, my soul, right? As a person, I want that to be reflective of Christ. That's my religion. I can separate that from the politics. The left can't do that. Why, Megan, and it's very important to understand why. The left can't do that because they don't believe in God. According to Gallup, 93% of Republicans believe in God or a God. Less than 60% of Democrats believe in God. So you can just kind of round number that to about half of Democrats. don't believe in God. If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe that we were created in God's image. This is the first book of Genesis. This is like the doctrinal creation story shared across religions, that we are created by God and we have a purpose and we have value

higher than the animals that were created different and that all human life is precious, no matter who you are, where you come from, what your skin color is, and that it is a moral evil to take that life or to celebrate the taking of that life. And that, Megan, is the ball game. That actually explains these differences. If you don't believe in God, if you have that hatred in your heart, if you don't believe that human life is precious,

and all life is effectively just a power struggle, then you're just simply going to want power. And if it takes death to get there, then you're just like all the other Marxists who've killed 100 million people this last century. Pol Pot, Mao Zay Tong, and Joseph Stalin. You're the same as all of them. And here's the final thing I'll say on this, Megan.

They want us to hate them. because that means they win. When hatred inspires more hatred through name calling or sneering or laughing at orphaned children, when they can pull you down to their level, when Satan can tell you to eat the apple and you take a bite.

And you then begin to reflect the same hatred they have. They win. That's why they call you an anti-Semite. That's why they call you a racist. That's why they call you Hitler. Is it because I'm Hitler? No. It's because they want me to hate them.

They make absurdities. They make these straw man arguments and they come at you, okay, come at your family, they come at your children to bring you down to their level and if they can do that, they win. That is why critically, in this Christmas season,

Megan, we have to remember as Christians and we have to remember as the moral movement that we are, the 93% of our party that believes in God and believes in the foundation, of this country. We have to not let them win by welcoming that hatred into our hearts, and they're working over time to get us to hate them. Yeah, I know. And some those are weaker than others like me. We have to respond with love. We have to respond with love and laughter and charity

and joy. And there's nothing evil hates, and there's nothing evil hates more than us laughing in their faces, living out our lives with our children, with our loving families, with the things they will never have and that destroys them. They're miserable and we're happy. That means we've won. What you say is very interesting to me because, in my audience, knows I've been on this faith journey now for quite some time, but went into over time after Charlie's death. And I've been watching a lot of debates involving and also reading books by William Lane Craig, who is this extremely smart man who's on our side, who runs around doing atheist debates. you know, with Christopher Hitchens and other doubters who's got like a very son.

He's brilliant. He's very well educated and he studied this and written about this for his entire life, trying to find like the historical evidence of Christ and engaging in like full-throated debates about like cosmology, not cosmology, that's makeup. And how it really does support the Christian beliefs, not the atheist beliefs. And one of the things he, one of the points he often makes is that, If there's no God, then there's just, there's no morality. There's no morality.

There's no hardcore foundation for good and evil, for judging actions. And what you were just saying dovetails perfectly into that. Like his predictions are about like a society where there is no God. You're talking about a faction, a political group that has no God. And it's leading to the same result. One would be worldwide in his, you know, worst case scenario. and yours is a party-wide situation for a disturbing number of people who are on the left. Not all, some are faithful, but it is a disturbing number who have no God in their life

and have lost all tether to good and evil, to like a fundamental level of decency and honor, kindness. I don't, like, I do not get the absolute ripping apart of a new widow. whose main goal every day is to make sure her children are okay because their father was shot to death two months ago. This isn't five years ago or maybe it would make its way into a joke here or there on a late night show. Whatever. It's just part of the national healing process. This is two months. It's raw. Everyone's still in mourning, especially the Kirk family. And she was in the center of their target as their bullseye as they laughed at her.

that one podcaster there in the clip you played, her name's Jennifer Horn. Nobody is quite sure where the hell she came from. I don't really know who she is, but I know that she went viral in the weeks after Charlie's assassination by saying that that was a warning and that if Democrats don't get on board with fighting MAGA, that that's going to happen to you. And they're just out and out saying it, right? So the top law enforcement official in Virginia now is somebody who wants to kill Republican babies, like kill their children. children, right? Because they're a little fascists. The mask is off, right? So the mask is off. They're telling us who they are. We have to believe them.

And more importantly, Megan, we have to be able to counter this. We have to accept what this is. And to be able to present the counter argument so that this doesn't continue to warp and shape the way that politics is done in America with assassination culture. You know, it's totally and it's totally and completely evil. It's something that's really raw. What a crazy term you just used, but you're not wrong. Assassination culture. It's like, it's a thing now after Luigi, after Charlie. So, yeah, just one final thought.

The Constitution, so it's like the civil rights era, right, is like the favorite thing for these people, okay? That was like the crowning achievement. How do you get that without any? They point back to our founding documents, right, about America's, you know, that's what the founders would want. But they never look at the words. all men are what, Megan, all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. If you take God out of the founding documents, then you have no America. You have no reason to free the slaves.

You have no reason for the civil rights era or for women's suffrage or for any of it, in fact. If you remove God from the equation, as the left does and is constantly on the march to do, then their ideology becomes pure fascism. There is no America founding without that. Yes, that's right. So that is the fact. So foundationally, yes, all men created equal endowed by their creator. If you remove that, then you're just left with totalitarianism.

I just want to show you, I asked Erica Kirk for what it's worth about that moment where she hugged J.D. I mean, she hugged me just as warmly and closely. She's a hugger. And then she's a total hugger, which we love. I mean, honestly, I loved it. I felt like I was next to God. That's how it feels when you're around her. Like, you're just with somebody who's got a more evolved, spiritual presence and connection

with the Almighty, something to aspire to. Anyway, here she is talking about the JD hug, and then on the back end, we'll play the one where the follow-up, just watch. Forgive me. Did you see people didn't understand the hug that you and J.D. had? They went to the weirdest places, Erica. Oh, my gosh. You guys, please. So for those of you who know me, I'm a very, I love, I hug. Yes, you're an intense huger. It's awesome. Whoever is, like, hating on a hug needs a hug themselves. I will give you a free hug anytime you want a hug. My love language is touch, if you will.

But seriously, that hug, so I will give you a play-by-play. Walking, they just played the emotional video. I'm walking over. He's walking over. I'm starting to cry. He says, he's so proud of you. And I say, God bless you, and I touch the back of his head. Anyone who have I have hugged that I have touched the back of your head when I hug you,

I always say, God bless you. That's just me. If you want to take that out of context, go right ahead. again, that to me shows that you need a hug more than anyone else. So if anyone... They were acting like you touched the back of his ass. I feel like I wouldn't get as much hate if I did that versus... Watching people turn on you has been one of the most unexpected, strange, terrible things since he died.

And I know you get this, because you have a very... You have a thick skin and a soft heart. The thing is, is that the more that... people, and it gets outlandish more and more crazy as time goes on because there's just a void that apparently needs to be filled. But I'm okay with the world not understanding me. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with they, you know, I don't want to look like the world. As Christians were called to be in the world, not of it. And if they could understand me, then I'm not doing something right.

She's so evolved, Benny. That's exactly the right answer. Yes, she is. You just said it. You're evolved too. I'm the only one who's still here in the sewer plant thinking about what I can do to Jennifer.

Well, okay. Well, I mean, President Trump famously goes on after Erica Kirk forgives her husband's assassin and goes, I hate my enemies. I don't know if my enemies. I hate them. You know, and everyone laughed, right? I hate them. And everyone can experience that. And actually, doctrinally, from a Christian perspective, that's totally aligned. And I know

that a lot of people don't study this. And I'm no theologian at all, right? I'm just a guy who's a simple Christian. I just read my Bible. I try to understand it. I call my pastor. And he tries to knock some sense into me. But listen, first off, that is aligned. And it's very important to understand this to separate the two. So for your own soul, you're supposed to forgive people. And you're supposed of them and practice the beatitudes, the exact inverse of what the world tells you to do. And that is Christianity. That's Christendom. That's us living out.

But there's a verse in Romans, Romans 13, that says that the governments and the law of the nations is established by God. And he gives them the sword to wield not for the good men, but for the terror of evil men. And it is good to, that's a New Testament. That's not Old Testament. That's New Testament. and it is calling for us as a moral and good people to make sure that our government has the sword

to punish evil, to make sure that they live in, not just live in fear. That they live in terror, actually. That evil people should be terror, should live in terror from a government of good men. And so you have to ask the question, and this is the final, you know, as I get older, you know, I'm pushing 40.

As I get older, I'm realizing this. As I raise my own kids, as I see the world around me, I'm realizing something. that the, it can all be boiled down to one question, critical for our ruling class, which is, is there a God and do you think you're God? You know, are you God? Or is there actually a higher power above what we're all doing? And those who believe in that higher power totally structure their lives differently,

entirely. The tax don't work. The ad hominemes don't work. The pejoratives don't work. The de-platforming or the jailing. It doesn't work. you're totally aligned. And that's why you can still see joyful audiences in spite of good and bad things happening

to our movement all the time. On the left. And also, here's another thing. They also understand as Christians that persecution is part of it. Of course. Yes. In fact, you know, it's something that is a mark of honor. It's a badge of honor.

When you are persecuted, the Christian church is a church and not completely smote because of a martyrdom. A man named Stephen, who was the first martyr. And that's what actually inspired Christianity, that him dying, Stephen getting killed for his belief, let people know, wait a second, this isn't just an old story. This is something people believe in because people don't die for a lie. Charlie Kirk died not for a lie, for the truth. Charlie Kirk died doing what he loved, which was telling the truth on campus. And he died for truth. And that's why we've seen this incredible moment.

I still don't know exactly how to diagnose it, and I never will. you were live on stage in front of a massive arena with Erica Kirk. What was that exactly? What was the spiritual energy there? I don't know, but that's the power of martyrdom. That is another one of the points as I go through all these books, so many books. I was talking to Frank Turrick about it backstage after Erica,

that in favor of believing, believing in the resurrection, believing that Jesus was Christ, which is no man will die for a lie. And the disciples who were put to death, after Jesus was crucified and came back. And they told everyone about it. They said what they witnessed that they saw him. They saw him. It wasn't just like he was missing from the grave. They actually saw him and they were killed for it. And no man would willingly go to his death. These were Jews who were going to be killed for saying this blasphemy that Jesus was Christ and that he'd come back and they went to their deaths willingly following his example. So anyway, I know everybody already

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There's no safe like SimplySafe. Hey everyone. It's me, Megan Kelly. I've got some exciting news. I now have my very own channel on Sirius XM. It's called the Megan Kelly channel. And it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered with no agenda and no apologies. Along with the Megan Kelly show, you're going to hear from people like Mark Halpern, Link Lauren, Morin Callahan, Emily Jashinsky, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear Politics, and many more. It's bold, no BS news only on the Megan Kelly channel, SiriusXM 11, and on the SiriusXM app. I said something that was pretty simple and non-controversial, and that was that members of the military should find.

the law. And in response to that, Donald Trump said, I should be executed. I should be hanged. I should be prosecuted. I think it says a lot more about him than it says about me. He doesn't want accountability. I'm not sure it was quite that non-controversial. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show. My guest today, Benny Johnson. That was Senator Mark Kelly, husband of Gabby Giffords, former astronaut and member of the military. And he is suggesting that he did absolutely nothing wrong in the so-called seditious six video in which they made very clear their opinion advising U.S. troops that if they receive an illegal order from Donald Trump, they should ignore it.

It came out of nowhere. No one knew exactly what they were talking about. They haven't been very good at identifying exactly what they meant. But now there's an investigation that's been opened by the Pentagon into Mark Kelly because he was in the military and the others were CIA or Intel services. And so he's still within their jurisdiction. And they're considering a court-martial because he's inserting himself in the chain of command between the commander-in-chief and his troops.

What do you make of it? I have four little children at home, five, three, two, and eight months old. And so my home has a tendency for disorder. Megan. Now, my wife and I have a, have disagreements, clearly. You know, you always have that in any healthy relationship. We sort those out as best we can. But there's one thing that we have total and complete agreement on, which is when an order goes down from one of us, we are the commanders in chief of our household. Those children must follow orders. Otherwise, the house will immediately and inextricably entropy. Everything will fall apart. If my wife is undermining me or I'm

undermining my wife, if she says no dessert or you've had enough candy and I'm sneaking them candy, if she says pick up your toys and I'm helping them make a mess, then things are going to spiral out of control and it's going to happen quickly. And everyone can understand that. Parents get that innately. I know that you are a parent, obviously, also of kids. You know, I think they're relatively young. Yeah, there you go. Okay, so you remember these days, they weren't that long ago, when things could really fly off the rails.

And so everyone gets that. You know, we all understand that. But all the more so if my kids had nukes, right? Like all the more so if my kids were in charge of nuclear submarines or Abrams tank. or F-22 Raptors or a bunch of deadly weapons. All the more so if like a stray bullet fired from one of my kids could start a world war because we have a base in every damn country on Earth, right?

And we have outward-looking bases in countries that hate us. And so one wrong move from my children, you know, could potentially plunge the world into nuclear war. That's, of course, terrible. And that is why the military has such swift, such tight controls on standard order and on following orders and processes in order to sift out and to punish illegal orders. Those already exist. When you have members of Congress that are using their position in the federal government as partisan Democrats, brandishing their military service,

and then instructing our children to disobey their parents, that's true. not order. That's going to lead to a nightmarish scenario. This is going to lead to an insurrection. It's going to lead to civil war. It's going to lead to world war. It's going to lead to something terrible happening. And our troops without a thought for it. They only want to look like political grandstanders. Like they're tough. Like they're taking on trouble. Yes, of course. But they're defying the law. And I'm really in favor of the court marshal of Mark Kelly. I'm in favor of more harsh punishments. I want more harsh punishments, please. like from the Trump administration on a slight of issues, whether it's the pipe bomber or whether

it's Epstein files, you know, or whether it was the bad actors, James Comey and John Brennan and so on, you need to have, much like in a household, you need to have disciplinary action to prevent bad behavior. So I hope that they really do court martial. Okay, now we have to end on a lighter note. Why won't Jennifer Lopez wear clothing? Explain this to me. She's 56. I think she's almost 57 now. She went to perform at some billionaire's wedding in India. Let me just show you what she chose to wear. Like she, I'm not begrudging her looking good at her age. But I'm in favor of clothing. Just a little. It doesn't have to be that much. But generally to cover your vaj, like that at 57 seems like an appropriate standard.

Let's watch. to you, baby. Yeah! Too many ways want to touch you tonight. I'm a big girl to hear her by the sign. Take whatever you want. And whatever you want to do. Put your name on the dirty night.

That's right. And I'm a lot. Come on. Oh, go. Picture in your mind a thonged on back Except the person put it on backward. That's what the front of her looks like. Denny, it's too much.

It's like a borat swimsuit. Yeah, okay, I'm sure. Why? Yeah, that's, yeah. I mean, I don't, you know, I don't get. at, you know, at your age. I think that this is like exactly,

I think that this is just a, first off, I've never felt bad for Ben Affleck, but he's like married and divorced this lady, like seven times, all right, for probably these reasons. There's nothing more beautiful than a woman who is aging gracefully

because the beauty doesn't have to do with like how much skin you can show. And in a world of, synthetics and only fans and AI and, you know, clap traps all throughout the internet. It's less valuable than ever. So it's actually the reason why the meme on the right for young men is that they want a trad wife, not a, not a party whore. They want a woman wearing like a dress, like a sunflower dress, right, baking a sourdough, right?

My 16-year-old said that. My 16-year-old said to me, the kids my age do not want these girls wearing next to nothing. Like, obviously, some contingent does. But he's like, some modesty actually is considered very attractive, even at the teenage level. Yeah, because what does that signal to men? That signals to men that sex is precious and is a gift that should be, obviously, it should be, oh, no. It's the backward. Look at it.

It's the backward thong. It's ridiculous. And this was honestly one of the more modest outfits she wore there. Another one was this leather strappy. Look at this. Look at this. For the listing audience, it's just like two horizontal stripes over her backside and then one over the front side.

And you can see virtually everything. I'm sorry, Benny, why can't we have somebody who's j- like she had her day of being the sex kitten when she was in her 20s and early 30s? It worked, made her a star. Why can't she now, as she's getting closer to. pushing 60, just you can still be saucy. She could wear a tight dress. She could pull a Tina Turner, right?

Who never lost her sex appeal, ever. But didn't look desperate ever either. You know, Melania Trump is one of those women who, like yesterday, she welcomes the Christmas Treaty of the White House. She's wearing multiple heavy layers. And she's the most beautiful woman on earth. Yes, she had plaid, like Christmas plaid monolos. on, which were to die for, and her whole ensemble just screamed class and classic beauty.

I don't know what that, I don't know what a Manolo is. Are you talking about her heels, her shoes? Yes, yes. A random guess. It could have been something in her hair. But whatever that is, you know, as men, we don't have any idea what the hell it is. We just look at the full package, right? As men, we're like very simple binary creatures. And again, in a world of AI synthetics and like, you know, cheese.

only fan thoughts, you know, this stuff is like less valuable than ever, right? Being out there and, you know, bearing, you know, pretty much walking around naked. What is, what is really rare and always has been, actually, is true beauty. And true beauty that sort of emanates from the inside and that makes you a, makes you a beautiful and light and bright person that you, that you actually want to be around. And it's remarkable, that's the reason why Erica Kirk hugs people actually. Because people gravitate towards her because of that. It has not really little to do with what she's wearing. I watched it happen just a real quick story. I watched that happen with Elon Musk of all people. If there's one guy who is a literal Terminator robot, you know,

androgynous and literally behaves like a robot, it's Elon Musk. And after Charlie Kirk's memorial, I watched Elon wait out back to give, to just say hello to Erica Kirk. And she gave him like a 30 second prolonged hug and it was like watching his little robot heart melt, right? It was like just one of the, you know, one of these incredible movies like a Pixar movie, right?

And coming on to people with her hug then she was coming on to my daughter, to me. Like this is absurd. She's a hugger. She's a very loving, lovely woman. Only the most hateful trolls would take it someplace else. Benny Johnson, thank you.

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