The Megyn Kelly Show - Whether Walker and Oz Can Win, and Learning to Breathe and Detox, with Tom Bevan and Darin Olien | Ep. 414

Episode Date: October 18, 2022

Megyn Kelly is joined by Tom Bevan, founder of RealClearPolitics, to talk about key senate races to watch, including Georgia and Herschel Walker, Ohio and J.D. Vance, Nevada and Adam Laxalt, Pennsylvania and Dr. Oz, the key issue that could get the GOP the House and Senate, more. Then health and wellness expert and author of "Superlife" Darin Olien joins the show to give his explanation of why "disease doesn't exist," the value of the correct simple life choices, what we're learning now about our own body, what sort of food we should eat, practical tips for growing your own food, the importance of drinking clean water, the value of keeping plants around us and getting outside, the value of oxygenation and learning to breathe, the need to "detox," "fatal conveniences" to avoid, his challenges growing up, and more. Then Megyn delivers a "Thanks But No Thanks" to Ulta Beauty's new woke video series.Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today, we're going to discuss some good and bad things for your health. Boy, oh boy, I'm just telling you, in the time since I began reading my research packet to the time I'm sitting down here with you, I've resolved to do several things differently. And I'll walk you through what they are when we are joined in just a bit by bestselling author and wellness expert, Darren Olin, to discuss superfoods and the five fixes that will jumpstart your health for good.

That's the good. Okay, now wait, let's just do one thing before we get started. Darren recommends this. You're supposed to do at least four of these. Okay, we're going to inhale for five seconds. Let's do it. Inhale. Hold it.

Exhale for five. There's another five, but I don't remember what it is. But we did five, five, and five. It's supposed to be really good for you. We'll get into it a little bit. Okay, the bad, politics. Well, we enjoy politics. But as you know, these are generally not good people. But some of the stories that we're going to talk about may just get your blood boiling. Believe it or not, the midterms are just three weeks from today, although people are already voting everywhere. That COVID stuff that changed the, you know, one day voting into forever voting, that's not going away. That is not going away. People are going to have to run these races very differently now. And among those races that will determine the balance of power in the Congress, the Ohio Senate seat. This is our old pal J.D. Vance.

Remember, I told you when I first launched this show, he came on that my interview of him, my profile of him for NBC News was truly like my favorite interview. I was so moved by his story, by Hail Billy Elegy, by meeting him and his wife and his sister, Lindsay. You got to go look at it on YouTube if you if you've never seen it. In any event, the modern day version of J.D. was en fuego last night in his final debate with the Democrat, Tim Ryan. Things got tense. Here to discuss all of it, Tom Bevin, co-founder and president of the must, must read Real Clear Politics. Tom, welcome to the show. How you doing? Great to be with you, Megan. All right. I always tell everybody, I tell them on this show, I tell them when I give speeches,

I tell young women, young men, first thing I do every morning is go to realclearpolitics.com and it keeps me sane. And as I always say, it doesn't let anybody control my brain. I get to read stuff from the left, from the right, and I don't let any of these dishonest brokers spin me. I can make up my own mind about where to land. So that's all thanks to you. I appreciate that. Thank you. Oh, you know, it's heartfelt.

I've been saying it for years. Okay. So let's just start. Let's start with baby politics. Okay. Let's just start with baby politics before we get to the Ohio race. It still looks like the Republicans are going to take the house. I don't think any truly smart person is saying anything other than that.

So the action is really in the Senate and to a lesser extent at the gubernatorial level. So what are the four races you're watching most when it comes to the U.S. Senate? Well, we have seven races that are considered toss-ups. But to me, I mean, the races that matter are the four incumbent Democrats, Catherine Cortez Masto in Nevada, Mark Kelly in Arizona, Raphael Warnock in Georgia and excuse me, and Maggie Hassan in New Hampshire. Look, Republicans have four open seats they have to defend. You mentioned Ohio, North Carolina, Pennsylvania is one, and Wisconsin, Ron Johnson. They seem to be doing well in all those races. The one Pennsylvania is Fetterman still ahead in that race. But let's just assume for the sake of argument that Oz is going to win that race. Then you've got a situation where if Democrats don't know, if, if Democrats don't defend all four

of their seats, they're going to lose control of the Senate. And right now you've got Republicans ahead in, in Nevada, Adam Laxalt's ahead there, not by a lot, by a little bit in the polls. And you've got, you know, Democrats are ahead in Mark Kelly's ahead of Blake Masters in Arizona. Raphael Warnock is barely ahead of Herschel Walker in Georgia and Maggie Sanz ahead of Bulldog in New Hampshire. So those are really the four races to watch. They're going to determine the outcome of who controls the Senate. You guys have Herschel Walker winning Georgia. You've projected that at Real Clear Politics right now. Maybe projected is too strong, but that's what you're predicting will happen. Even though Herschel Walker hasn't led in any poll.

Now, this jumped out at me as interesting because I actually just said on the show yesterday, Herschel Walker is going to win Georgia. And I don't usually make political predictions, but you can just feel it. It seems like it's getting tighter. It didn't seem like the scandal hurt him that badly. And then yesterday I was listening to the New York Times is the daily and they're polling. They're they're doing, you know, interviews, man on the street interviews with voters, Republicans. Are you concerned about the allegations on Herschel Walker's past?

And there's like some mom. What's she going to say to the New York Times? No, I don't give a shit about his many abortions and the many children he didn't take care. No, they're not going to say that. The women are like, yes, I'm concerned. And, you know, I might just skip that vote when I go in there to vote for Brian Kemp. I might just skip that. Oh, baloney. Do we believe that? Well, I mean, listen, there the argument is split ticket voting has been decreasing over time. There's no question about it. 2016 was the first time in American history where every single state that voted one way for the presidential race voted the same way for the Senate. OK, and we've seen split ticket voting decline.

So it is hard to imagine when you look, that's one of the rationales why we have this race trending to Hershel Walker is there are a couple of reasons. Number one, just the overall fundamentals. And we've seen Republicans pick up some strength in the generic ballot on the basis of inflation, the economy, all of those things, which are the number one issue for voters across the board. I mean, it's not even close. But you've also got Joe Biden's approval rating in Georgia is 39%. You've got Raphael Warnock in the polls. He's at 46% in the last two polls. As a Democrat, as an incumbent, at 46%, that is not a place you want to be three weeks to election. So there's

more upside for Herschel Walker than there is for Raphael Warnock. And the other thing is the top of the ticket. You mentioned Brian Kemp is leading. It's very consistent lead, seven, eight, nine points against Stacey Abrams. And so the idea that people are going to go in and vote for Brian Kemp overwhelmingly, and then Republicans either vote for Raphael Warnock or leave that space blank, it's hard to imagine. Now, it happened, for example, the one corollary that people point to is Arizona in 2018. You had Doug Ducey there, popular incumbent Republican governor, win by double digits while at the same time, Martha McSally lost to Kyrsten Sinema.

The difference in those two races, Megan, is that Kyrsten Sinema is more of a fit ideologically for that state than Raphael Warnock is for Georgia. I mean, he is, as the campaign is pointing out, he's pretty far to the left. He's trying to portray himself as a moderate. But again, given the national environment, the fact that he's he's been voting with Biden and the Democrats in Washington is it is a is a drag for him for the voters in Georgia. Mm hmm. OK, let's go to the Midwest and talk about Ohio. J.D. Vance squares off last night against Tim Ryan and it got personal and it got heated and it was, I thought, a very effective moment for Vance. We'll see. I mean, I think the Democrats think that their guy got the last word in and that it was appropriately snarky. had on what I will just say they're calling the great replacement theory, which is not actually what they what J.D. Vance has endorsed or Republicans are endorsing. Republicans who care about the border sometimes say that the reason Democrats want an open

border is because they want these immigrants to eventually become Democratic voters. That is not the same as they're replacing all the white people like that is. There's a different racist theory that is pernicious. And the Democrats have made a political decision to try to conflate the two. That's the setup to the clip you're about to see. Here it is. This great replacement theory was the motivator for the shooting in Buffalo, where that shooter had all these great replacement theory writings that J.D. Vance agrees with. This kid goes to a grocery store in Buffalo where black people shop and shoots them up.

This is disgusting. I'd like to get one more- Here's exactly what happens when the media and people like Tim Ryan accuse me of engaging the great replacement theory. You were peddling it. I'll tell you exactly what happens, Tim. What happens is that my own children, my biracial children, get attacked by scumbags online and in person because you are so desperate for political power that you'll accuse me, the father of three beautiful biracial babies, of engaging in racism.

We are sick of it. You can believe in a border without being a racist. You can believe in the country without being a racist. And this just shows how desperate this guy is for political power. I know you've been in office for 20 years, Tim, and I know it's a sweet gig, but you're so desperate not to have a real job that you'll slander me and slander my family. It's disgraceful. Thank you, Mr. Hold on, Derek. Real quick. I think I got to get one more question. I think I struck a nerve with this guy. What did you make of that? I thought Vance's response was strong. I mean, I really did. I thought it was one of those signature moments in the debate. Look, this is their second and final debate. And I thought Vance performed well in both debates.

The thing about this is the problem that Tim Ryan is facing is that similar to Democrats all across the country, including Raphael Warnock, who we just talked about, he's running away from his party. He has to run away from Joe Biden. He keeps talking about, well, he's standing up to Biden when he does stupid things on the border and the like. It's, it's just, it's, it's a struggle for Democrats because they have to try and separate themselves from, from their party. And it's just not, it's not something that voters are going to, I think it's not going to pass the smell test with voters. I'll say this too. When I interviewed J.D. Vance, I've interviewed him many times, but when I did the one for NBC, I interviewed his wife, Usha, and she sat and gave me a very powerful interview, but she's a force of nature of her own. She was on her way, she was pregnant, and she was on her way to go clerk for, I think it was Chief Justice John Roberts at that moment. I mean, this is a very smart, very powerful lawyer in her own right. They met at Yale Law School and have quite a lovely love story. Anyway, you'll love the piece. All right, let's talk about Nevada, because you mentioned that's one of the states that the Democrats are trying to hold on to that they don't want to lose, but it's vulnerable. And you guys are also predicting that's going to be a GOP takeover. Right. Adam Laxalt is, he's one of those

candidates that, you know, he's portraying himself as an outsider, but he's got this name recognition of a political family in Nevada. So he's sort of getting the best of both worlds there. He's ahead in all the polls, again, not by a lot. And one of the things that we have done to try and answer this question, Megan, which has been, you know, everybody's been asking over the last, you know, three weeks or month, you know, are the polls right? Or are they off? We've taken a look at all of these individual states and where the polls over the last three cycles, 16, 18, and 20, whether they overestimated or underestimated support and in which way for which party over those three cycles. In Ohio, for example, Republican support had been underestimated by

nine points. So if you're looking at the polls right now and you're thinking, okay, there's a poll that just came out, showed J.D. Vance up two points. If the polls are off in the same direction they have been over the last three cycles, he's going to win that race by 11, okay, by double digits. If you look at though, in Nevada, that's a place where Democratic support has been underestimated. Democrats have actually done, the polls have underestimated Democratic support by about 0.8 percentage points, so almost 1%. And that's, again, you know, it's the vestiges of Harry Reid's machine there. He always managed to turn out more voters. The Culinary Workers Union there in Clark County, Las Vegas.

And that always seemed to, you know, Republicans always thought they had the goods in Nevada and would end up losing. So Black's out up about a point and a half in our average. And again, if the polls hold true, as they have been for the last few cycles, he'd still win that race, but it'd be very, very close. So I think he's got the upper hand, but that race is not an absolute done deal for Republicans, again, with three weeks left. So right now you're predicting the Republicans will take the Senate because they'll take over in Georgia and they'll take over in Nevada, Democrat controlled seats, and they'll hold the seats that they that they're defending, including Pennsylvania, which is interesting because Fetterman's been ahead in every single poll. It's like the Georgia

situation. The Democrats been ahead in every single poll. But does Pennsylvania suffer from another deficiency in getting in capturing the Republican vote? Yes. And over the last three cycles, it's been about five and a half points. I think that race now is somewhere around the three-point range in our average. And so, again, if the polls are off in the same direction they have been for the last three cycles, Oz would be ahead, not by much, but would be ahead in that race. And that race has been moving in Oz's direction over the last week or two weeks. He's been hitting Fetterman, I think, effectively on crime, on the issue of crime. It's become a central focus of that campaign and also the issue of Fetterman's health, which again, is an issue that Oz is bringing up,

but other people are bringing up too. It's not purely a partisan issue. It's been editorialized in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and some other newspapers have said, listen, he needs to be more transparent about his health issue. Now they're going to debate on the 25th, I think, and obviously, you know, early voting's going on and there will be a lot of people who have already voted by then, but there'll still be a good chunk of the electorate that I think are going to tune in and going to see for themselves how Fetterman performs and judge his, you know, judge his ability to do the job based on what they see that night. And it was crazy because the NBC news reporter who interviewed Fetterman

said, when he was off this sort of computer that was translating my words into the written form so that he could read my questions, he didn't seem to understand everything I was saying. I would 100% have shared that detail about a Republican or a Democrat running for office that I interviewed. It was an appropriate thing just because we didn't see it in the interview. We did see it in the interview, but just because we didn't see them off of the computer doesn't mean she's not in her reporter mode in dealing with him. Anything between them is fair game unless they've agreed it's off the record, which clearly they hadn't. And Mrs. Fetterman, Mrs. Fetterman is out there who knows nothing about anything,

is out there asking for this reporter to be disciplined. Why hasn't anything been done to her for revealing this detail about John Fetterman's health. It's absolutely absurd. The reporter should be praised for doing her job. And Mrs. Fetterman should tell us what exactly she's so afraid of, because that kind of comment only makes us wonder more. Let's just jump back and zoom back to 30,000 feet before I let you go and talk about the generic ballot. Now we saw in that New York Times Sienna poll, the Republicans have gone from what was maybe a one point advantage in that ballot to a four point advantage in that ballot. Not long ago, there was the Harvard Harris poll that shows the Republicans, they now have a, they're up with a four point advantage, and it had been Democrats plus two. So that's a big swing.

So more and more we're seeing voters seem to side right before it's time to vote with the Republican ticket. There's an article in the Politico today citing, you know, weathered pollsters and Democratic operatives saying we peaked too early. We peaked over the summer. We would have preferred this election happened then. So if the Republicans take the House and the Senate at this on this November election, Tom, to what would you attribute it? Right? Because the Dems were doing better over the summer. Well, I mean, it's clear it's the economy. I mean, and it has been for months. And this was true before Dobbs. This was true after Dobbs. It's

just, you know, Democrats thought they had found this silver bullet that they could use to not only energize their base, which it has done, by the way. I mean, prior to Dobbs, Democrats and Biden's approval rating was like 36.8% in our average late July. The Democrats were moping around the country. And so it has energized the base and brought some Democrats home to these candidates. However, the problem is they focus so much on that. They've ignored the issue that is of top concern to the majority of voters, certainly Republicans, but also independents. And so you're seeing now ad after ad after ad all around the country by Democrats on the issue of abortion. None of them are dealing with the

issue of inflation. Michael Bennett was asked on television on Sunday, when is the Inflation Reduction Act actually going to start reducing inflation? And he said, well, maybe next year you'll see. I mean, Raphael Warnock was asked about it yesterday. Democrats have been in power for two years. Inflation is still raging. Why should Georgia voters send you back to Washington? And he paused this awkward pause. And then he said, we're still in the throes of a pandemic. I mean, that is just not going to cut it. Yeah, it was so bad. Democrats, they should be talking about the issue, even if it's just to say, look, we feel your pain. We're doing the best we can. We need some help from Republicans. They're not helping. They're not voting for any of this stuff that we're trying to do to just ignore the issue. We're focused solely on abortion.

Again, it's motivating their base. They need their base. That's fine. But it's not speaking to independents who they also need, particularly in the suburbs of Atlanta and Philadelphia and Milwaukee and Phoenix. And so for that reason, I think Republicans have big leads on the issue of the economy and inflation and immigration and others. But Gallup came out with a poll last week showing that Republicans

had an 11 point lead over Democrats on the issue of the economy. And for Gallup in their metric, that was the largest lead for any party since 1942. So that just gives you a sense of how the public is viewing this election. It is through an economic lens. And Republicans are speaking to that issue and Democrats are not. It reminds me of the people who are like, the end of the world is coming. It's coming on October 31st. The world ends October 31st. And you're like, how are people believing this, right? And then you get to November 1st and you're like, OK, the jig is up. Like, you know, like the whole inflation is transitory. Don't believe your lion eyes. You know, the Inflation Reduction Act is going to solve it.

Our lion eyes are exposing those truths and just in time for this election. So, you know, the White House could only mislead for so long before the truth was just blaring everybody in the face. Tom, it has been for a long time. Such a pleasure. Come back soon. Thanks, Megan. All right. Coming up next, health and wellness expert Darren Olin. And I will tell you, there's something that you may be drinking every day that could be causing you a lot of trouble. You will not believe what it is. Stay tuned. We are hurtling towards the trifecta of holiday decadence right now. It really is, right? Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. It's like people's goal is to make you gain weight and be less healthy, right? If they wanted, if that were their goal, would they treat you any differently

than what happens on Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas? Here's, for me, it's peppermint bark. I love it. Don't give it to me. Stop it. It's like, here's five pounds for Christmas. You're welcome. No, I don't want that. Now is the time before all the pushers come into your life to fortify your health and protect yourself against the endless treats and the stress that comes with the most wonderful time of the year. Our next guest is here to help us do just that. Darren Olin is a wellness expert and the bestselling author of Super Life, the five simple fixes that will make you healthy, fit, and eternally awesome.

Darren, welcome. Hey, Megan. It's good to be here. It's great to have you. All right, so just in time for a lot of challenges that are coming our way. So let's just start with a little bit about you so people know how you came to this line of work.

And it started 51 years ago when little Darren was actually born tell us about that yeah well I was born early so in 1970 and I was three and a half pounds so that that was interesting because it informed my father kind of later on in, he saw me kind of fight for my life early on. And then, um, I survived obviously. And, uh, and, and from there, my, my imprint was like, this isn't safe. Like this is a fragile body in a, in a intense world. And, And I didn't realize how powerful that was until I was a regular kid growing up in Minnesota and going through puberty, having weird things going on with my body. I realized that I got to do something about it on some deep level. And so I referenced this in the

book, I grabbed a newspaper article, and I was 13 years old, and I started reading up on a grapefruit diet. And it was the first time this regular Minnesota kid eating everything and drinking old fashioned bottles of Coke. Uh, and just being a regular kid, that was the first time it made a significant difference in my outlook. Um, and, and, and then from there, it just kept, uh, going into, oh, we have a lot of control over how we feel, how we look, how we perform. And, and ultimately we've got to build some resilience in this life. That's for sure. The I'm born in, I'm born two months early in 1970 is a whole different deal than born two

months early. Now, neither one is good, but, uh, yeah, they didn't have as much technology back then. Just wondering, Abby, what, how much did Aubrey weigh when she was born? She was, she was three pounds too. Yeah. My assistant, Abby, who's like my little sister, she's here. She, her first baby was born way early too. And also three pounds and very scary. And like you was in the NICU for months, but didn't have, thank God, the ongoing problems that you outlined in your book that you had and probably because of modern medicine. So I never considered the psychological aspect of that. You know, like I am vulnerable, it's not safe. And it would wind up really driving your whole approach to life. You've wound up helping millions of people

because of that seed of vulnerability in you. So not, I don't know that it was worth it exactly, but, but it, you turned it around for good. Started with grapefruit. I remember I lived through that time with you. I was a teenage girl, right? I'm exactly your age. Um, and then it morphed into stuff that was much better than grapefruit. So you go to college, you become an athlete and you go to college. And then what happened? Yeah, I had a career ending back injury. And I loved beating out really big people. I was a fullback.

And the first game of the season, I crunched my lower back on a big hit. And I couldn't get back on the field again. So I tore a bunch of, uh, ligaments in my lower back and, you know, every kid has a dream to keep playing. And so that just kind of stopped and I went through my own depression and I just couldn't be around that university anymore. So I transferred and then asked myself some serious questions like, what do I really want to do? And first, you know, selfishly, I want to get

myself physically better again. So this kind of serendipity of awareness stepped in and said, well, why don't you study that which you're suffering in right now, the body and nutrition and understand this thing. And I'm grateful for that because, you know, uh, my father was a professor and, you know, go to college and I didn't know what the hell I wanted to do, but that event changed the course of my life. Um, so I, I started studying nutrition and physiology and kinesiology and all of these different things. And it was the start of this insatiable curiosity. And I think underneath it all, it gave me those tools. And it started to give me those tools of, of, of that building of the resilience, right? That understanding that number one, underneath all of that, this is a freaking miracle. Like,

what do you mean we can eat food and it can transform that into energy and we get to run around in this life? And so, of course, it makes a major difference between the what kind of fuel you're putting in your body. So that just, you know, that just spiraled from there. And it just continued. Do you think, um, my old friend who I used to work with when I practiced law used to make me laugh because we would talk about some dark story and the news where people had died or some new study showing you're going to die at a young age if this, if that. And he used to say, I'm just really sorry. That's going to happen to all of you. Like, he just refused to accept that that's how it was going to end for him. posits that disease doesn't exist. And to me, it occurred to me whether you're sort of in the, I don't know if it's going to happen for me.

I actually might be able to stave it off because you've got real tools for doing it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, it's a condition of the breakdown of our physiology over time. And obviously, you want to do everything you can to give yourself the right opportunities to thrive. And at the end of the day, the reason I chose the title, Super Life, was informed by that little kid that was struggling to survive at a 50-50 chance of living.

And when you start realizing, and please understand that I'm only standing on the shoulders of giants who have dedicated their lives to studying and diving in. I'm not a researcher, but I have started to learn over the course of the career how to kind of disseminate and look and show up and ask questions and read and jump in the middle of the common sense solutions that we seem to just blow past when 99% of our issues in our body can be taken care of. because these are systems and we are a system we live in a system there is no uh isolation i think isolation creates a kind of entropy where it goes further and deeper away from that which is a uniform system so i look at it as like, Hey man, if you, you know, get outside, get some sun, put your feet on the ground, get some sleep, eat fresh food, whole fresh food, move your body, have good relationships, be radically honest with your life, you're going to be great. But it's almost like people don't want to hear the simple, powerful messages of that

wand that they have is their choices. And their choices are many choices added up over time, create extraordinary benefit. And I'm just living proof of that. And we all are living proof of that, either going down that road or going down the other one where we slowly accelerate, or in this case, we rapidly accelerate the body's aging process, for example. And invite disease, invite disease. It's no actually look at sort of the skyrocketing numbers on heart disease, on cancer. And it's, it can happen to anybody at any income level, at any education level. But there are real ways, as you outlined in this book and elsewhere, that you can really drastically reduce your chances of getting one of those two things.

And it's no accident that people who tend to lead these very unhealthy lives tend to be the ones to get these diseases younger. They tend to be more fatal when they get them. And so maybe we're not going to be able to turn into you because you're so disciplined. I don't know if I could do it. I'll tell you later what happened when I was reading the book and my experience. But maybe I can have a healthy dose of you in the way I approach my food and my existence. Right. But again, Megan, it is not looking at me as like, oh my God, I got to do that. I've been on a journey too. It is always a journey. It is that kind of myopic look at people's lives. Every Every person that's had any success has put in so much time, energy, and dedication to these things. And if I looked at what I ate even during my throes of nutrition classes in college, I would be shocked. And now over time, you're still diving into stuff.

We're still learning. We're learning things every day. The exponential learning that we're getting around the microbiome and this, obviously, the gut and the brain connection, the dopamine, the serotonin, the conversion of healthy bacteria, the enzymatic activity. It's just a mind-blowing journey. So to that point, I think it's easy for people to use the, oh, it's just them and it's easier for them or it's too far away from me. But again, we have to go right back.

I'm a blue collar person. I've come from Minnesota. I like to work hard. I like to get dirty. I like to do stuff, which is why I superfood hunted. I wanted to go and see the people. I wanted to go feel the dirt and see the plants and everything else. That's how we need to do this. We need to break our lives back down and ask ourselves, what do we want? What do we truly

want in our life? And when we start to cultivate that, then you're like, i integrated like okay what do you want to do today what do you want to be today and that again not to go too philosophical but that's the reason super life the title exists that's why i put it there because i don't want someone to not have an extraordinary life when they have the tools right in front of them, what they're putting in their mouth, how they're taking care of themselves. It is not a rocket science kind of thing. Well, and some of these are simple, like some of them are bigger and more involved and some of them are quite simple, which we'll get to. Um, you're, you mentioned in the microbiome reminded me and my staff, I'm sure, of we had on a guy, David Feinberg, yesterday. He's one of the co-hosts of All In. Friedberg, sorry, Friedberg. And he's talking about one of his companies and how they've rejected probiotics now that they think prebiotics are better for you and that there's going to be a day when we're going to be able to take a pill that's basically, forgive me, somebody else's crap.

That's going to completely rejigger our microbiome because it's somebody else's. And it's all this other, don't do this at home. Again, don't do this at home. You don't want to eat shit, but you someday might want to. Anyway. Okay. So let's get to it because let's start with the five life forces. Okay.

That you outlined that we need to focus on. One is an obvious one, though the fixes might not be obvious, and that's nutrition. Eating is the most intimate thing we will ever do, you say, and then you go on to say, I know what you're thinking, but it's even more intimate than that. And you've just, you've said it, eat a wide variety of whole, fresh, clean foods, mostly vegetables, fruits, beans, nuts, seeds, grains, sprouts, and healthy fats. Eat a lot of it raw. Now, I know that you love Mark Sisson and he's a big fan of yours.

And I had him on the show and I love him. I follow his, every day I'm cooking from his two meals a day cookbook, which I recommend to everybody. But he's way bigger on meat and eggs and animal products and way less excited about vegetables because most of them have been sprayed with pesticides than you are. So who am I supposed to listen to? I can't answer that for you, for sure. You know, it's like there's one kind of position I take. I don't want to tell people how to eat. I'm just going to share information from my experience. And listen,

I've known Mark for two decades, and I respect what he's done. And, you know, listen, again, I go back to the things that made sense for me. And you have to look at from many different directions. It's a personal choice. For me, I was eating all of that kind of stuff. I was an athlete. I was doing all those things. And then I was having some serious health problems. And then I had to kind of put my academic hat back on and start looking at this intensely. And when I started making those choices, I was like, wait a minute, I love animals. Why? Why do I need to kill in order to thrive? So I started kind of again, going back to integration, I started looking at, well, isn't meat a bioreactor or a bioaccumulator of nutrition, of nutrients? Of course it is. So, you know, as a, you know, it's funny, the superfood hunter

title was given to me, but as a person who spent his, you know, 20 years running around the globe, part of it was also finding the nutrients, the densities, the compounds that are innately within the plant. And so I spent a lot of my time realizing like, why would I need to kill something in order to get the nutrients that I can find right over here? So then I was like, well, morally and ethically, that lined up. I didn't want to kill anything. Environmentally, that lined up. And I will agree with Mark on most of the food from a conventional standpoint is laden with glyphosate, astrazine and pesticides and herbicides and

all of these things that are just ridiculously harmful. And we can unpack that later. But so I agree the way we're growing things, you have to understand what we're how we're talking about this now. Okay, again, I'm not, let me jump in because I want to keep it on the practical side too, for the audience who wants to know, like, when I see mostly vegetables, fruits, beans, nuts, seeds, grains, sprouts, healthy fats, I think I'm having salad at every meal. Do you have a salad at every meal? Like, that's boring and it's going to get old fast. So like, what, what do you have? Do you, do you intermittent fast? Do you have breakfast? Do you have lunch? Do you have dinner? What is

your dinner? Like, what does this look like in practice? Yeah. Yeah. So for me, I, I have fasted on and off for the last 20 years. So intermittent fasting comes very easy to me. I eat two meals. So I will have, you know, my first meal, which is a very large bowl of fruit. Uh, uh, and, um, maybe some raw spirulina, uh, some of my Baruca nuts that I found, um, maybe some Shakeology that I created. Uh, and these aren't plugs. This is literally what I eat. So it's a Flintstone size bowl of fruit, usually after my workout, then I work and I like to work on an empty stomach. And then I eat a second meal. Uh, and that's around, I like to eat and kind of be done by 5.00 PM. Uh, and that is, yeah, that's a massive bowl of vegetables, as well as legumes, beans, burritos, sweet potatoes, potatoes, all of these things. And I will also say, most conventional food sucks.

It's no good. It doesn't taste good at all. So when you can grow your own food, when you can get to a farmer's market, when you can buy fresh, it's not even the same. It's not even the same universe. back to the biome over time my if i'm eating that way my microbiome is now infinitely more efficient and we've found that if i sit next to say someone carnivore and we eat the same and i we eat the same food that they let's say they eat the food that i just created we're going to absorb differently because they've changed their microbiome to, to adapt to that meat centric approach. Um, so, you know, again, uh, I just go back to the nutrient density that is innately within these plants. What about, what about you mentioned fruit? I thought the conventional wisdom on fruit was it's just a ball of sugar with a couple of hangover nutrients. Like, don't think you're

giving your kid something healthy when you give him a pear or an apple. You're much better off getting an actual vegetable in front of him. Oh, man, that is just the biggest crock that's been unfortunately you know this listen added sugar processed high fruit to his corn syrup all of that stuff 100 inflammatory no good uh so you but in its whole food form it is absolutely different right it's got the fibers it's got all the other constituents it's got huge amount of antioxidants it's got structured water in the form of h302 like you're delivering this anti-inflammatory high antioxidant rich nutrient rich food like. And there's great work by Robbie Barbaro and Cyrus Kambada. They wrote an amazing book called Mastering Diabetes.

And they're proving through the science and through getting thousands of people off of diabetic medications eating high carbohydrate food, not ultra processed. Carbohydrates have been hijacked, right? It's not a one size fits all thing. So yes, simple sugars, isolated, ultra processed food, bad idea. We all agree on that, but in its whole food form, some of the best food ever. Now, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. So after Mark came on, um, I did, I went, I got the pasteurized, the pasteurized eggs. And I, of course, was already doing grass fed beef. And I was looking for farms. I live in Connecticut now. Like there could be farms with vegetables that haven't been completely toxicified. I'm telling you, I couldn't find anything. I could not find. So I wound up just going to Whole Foods, which I realize may not be any better. And if you buy organic, then presumably it's got less of that stuff.

It's expensive. And now, to be perfectly honest with you, I'm eyeballing my neighbor's garden, which is amazing. It's right across the street. She'd probably never know if I grabbed a couple. Abby, I'll make you do it. So what are regular people supposed to do if they're like me and they don't have access to a garden? Yeah, 100%. Well, listen, our country is founded on 90% of our country in the early 1900s were growing food.

So number one, let's go back to growing food, right? If you have a windowsill, put some culinary herbs in the ground, in the little pots. If you have a 16th of an acre, if you have a front lawn, I think there's 47 million acres of lawn that we're watering for no reason. Let's water food. What kind of things can we grow? Can you just tick off a few things that like an average person like that i could grow i mean tomatoes lettuces uh kale cabbage um uh i did that one time the which one cucumber cucumbers are easy right even i managed that one yeah i i literally checked my

my little greenhouse today and i had an amazing watermelon and i was on a trip and i came back and some varmint just devoured it and there's also watching watching nature so you know that's the thing about picking fresh too because that's when the maximization of all the nutrients so at a great researcher buddy of mine dr mosen who are manish 25 years ago said you know watch nature nature will tell you and that's the great incan empire was watching nature and cycles and that's how they were able to provide food for seven years for every person in the village with no refrigeration of any kind, but understanding cycles, understanding food. So listen, buy some seeds. If you're worried about food, buy some seeds, put them in the ground.

Here's a really easy. So my great friend, Doug Evans wrote a great book called this, I think it's the sprout book. Uh, I think that's literally the title. And I was just, I just saw him and you can buy sprouting seeds. Broccoli is great because it's got sulforaphane. Uh, it's got other compounds in there anti-cancer antioxidants micronutrients but you can put let's say just to be very pragmatic you could put two tablespoons of seeds in there rinse it soak it and then it. So you'd soak it for 12 hours, drain it. And then you rinse it twice a day, invert it in a Mason jar with a lid on it. And now all of a sudden you have a salad for a few cents in about five days. So you've got some of the most new broccoli sprouts are infinitely more

nutrient dense than a full mature broccoli wow okay i'm gonna check out that book i like that and that's something you can do if you live in a manhattan high rise like i did before where a garden is you know next to impossible this does remind remind me, I interviewed Elon Musk's brother and he's big on like these indoor farms and has been doing great work to help people develop them. He's gonna be like the guy who is responsible for how we live

in the year 3000, possibly even more than his brother, Elon. All right, stand by because there's so much more I wanna ask you about, Darren. We're gonna go through the next, we'll talk about the breathing, the oxygen,

there's so many other things besides diet that you could, Darren. We're going to go through the next. We'll talk about the breathing, the oxygen. There's so many other things besides diet that you could be doing to extend your lifespan and better than that, have a super life along the way. All right. So we'll go back to Darren and we'll talk about his show with Zac Efron, of course, too. Don't forget, you can find this show, The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Listen to it live. If you prefer to watch it via video, go to youtube.com slash megankelly. It's on fire over there right now. We'd love to have you. If you prefer an audio podcast, follow, download. You got to download the show on Apple, Spotify, Pandora, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and it's 100% free.

You know, Darren, I have to say, I always like guys who are from the Midwest, guys and gals, because I'm from upstate New York. And it's basically the same place. People make sense. They make sense. And you have a vibe life. We talked about nutrition. Of course, you can learn more about the specifics in Darren's book. We're just giving an outline today. Nutrition was one, just to give you the other five and we'll go through them. Hydration, oxygenation, alkalization, I think I've said that correctly, and detox. Number six is a bonus and that's attitude. And the part I'm really looking forward to is what Darren calls fatal

conveniences. These are things you're using to make your life better that are killing you. They're killing your super life. And I can't wait to get to them. But let's start with the good stuff and how we can pretty easily be taking better care of ourselves. Hydration, hydration. We hear it all the time. Eight glasses a day, blah, blah. It really is important. Yeah, it's extremely important.

And the thing is that, and this kind of dovetails into the fatal convenience side of things, and that is, you know, we are so blessed in our country to be able to turn on a tap and have water on demand. I have definitely been in many situations and seen different classes of people around the world where that absolutely does not exist. And they have never seen clean water. It's dirty. And, uh, and that's a horrible situation. So I just want to set the table appropriately. So I'm celebrating the fact that we have on demand tap water. The problem is that,

yeah, just saying drink eight ounces of water or eight, eight ounces of water a day is appropriate. It's not. You need to clean the water. And yes, we have pathogens that will kill you immediately that are gotten in our tap water from those astrazines and glyphosates and pharmaceutical drugs you know i wish that wasn't the case but it is uh the data is all out there so you need to clean it you need to clean that water and then kind of build the water back again so the bottom line is the easiest way to do that very cheaply. And you get kind of two birds with one stone and that is you clean it with reverse osmosis. So it's a filter that doesn't allow

those unwanted contaminants to pass through and it cleans that water or distillation. So it recondenses from heat into, into water again. So that cleans everything out. However, extremely important to add electrolytes back in. We have 70,000 little batteries of cells in our body. We need the electrolytes for cellular osmotic activity of hydration, water going into the cell. So adding that crystal salt, Himalayan crystal salt, you have fulvic minerals that are a little more advanced, but you can get, there's a great company called BLK, but there's so unrefined Himalayan crystal salt. You add a pinch per glass or half

a teaspoon per gallon, and now you have the appropriate size of those electrolytes that are so important for hydration. And now you've just created clean water. And I just ask you, you talk about the filter process. Do you have to get one of those fancy filters that the guy comes in installs? Or can you just use like the Brita? A lot of us use that. I love that. It's always the best. No, the Brita doesn't work. It doesn't get everything out. Mom, oh no.

Yeah, it gets out the larger sediment, but it doesn't get out those smaller particulates and those chemical particulates, right? And that's really what we want. We don't want those endocrine disrupting immune, uh, uh, damaging pesticides and herbicides and pharmaceutical drugs. You just don't want those. Brita is just not going to do it.

So you can't, you can't rely on those things, but it is quite simple, right? There's a, there's a great company called Aqua trueue on the top counter, reverse osmosis. And by the way, fun little fact, season two of Down to Earth, when we were traveling around Australia, I bought one for myself. And I said, well, we have 100 bags per our crew. I'm just creating clean water. And then we are a plastic-free set, so we eliminated single-use plastic as much as we could, and that's the other side of it, the two birds with one stone, is you've cleaned your water, you've created receptivity in that water, and now you've also eliminated the propensity to use single-use plastic by just getting some glass, getting a stainless steel. Glass is my preferred kind of way to carry

around water. So it's easy to do that. And now you're not taking, which is again, this other flip side of the fatal conveniences, putting water in plastic is a really, really bad idea. And of course we can't avoid it. Sometimes I, myself, just like everyone else, when you're in the airport, they, you have to pour out your water and you have to buy, uh, you know, water. Cause I'd rather be hydrated, uh, than, than not so easy solution to, to create good, clean water and eliminate the single use plastic that is harming you. And, and those plasticize, and again, I could go off on this, but they're plasticizers and phthalates and BPAs in there that are leaching into the

water. So eliminating those things will be good for you in many directions. What about on your shower or your bath? You know, is it dangerous to bathe in all of that unfiltered water? And what do you do about that? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, you know, they, they use chlorine so that those pathogens don't kill you on demand. So that again, that's part of the, the, the reason they've cleaned the water treatment plants. This is not a dig. They're just doing what their standards are. Um, so, so, but the reactions of chlorine with other, uh, inorganic compounds while it's going through pipes creates other, uh, problems down the line with, with other chemical reactions. And then in a hot shower, you're vaporizing that and your pores are open and

you're sucking, sucking that in. So what goes on the skin goes in the body period. Uh, so yes, a whole, you know, this is a bigger thing. A big home water filter is a really good idea. And, and if not for, you know, go to, go to Amazon, you can put a, at least a charcoal filter. That's going to get out most of the contaminants on your shower head. And now you've just, at least again, this whole thing is about small steps that you can become aware of and then take action on. And all those little things that add up is just going to add up to your overall resiliency and your overall well-being. Small steps that can make a big difference. A couple of things from your book. This made a lot of sense. Start every morning

with a big glass of water. You've gone eight hours without drinking anything. That is, I've heard that from others too. The first thing you should do when you get up, have a big glass of water. And our kids need to drink lots of water too, especially before school in the morning. You say the latest research has found that test scores and academic abilities actually depend on whether or not they've been drinking enough water, not to mention just their health. And you point out that, um, that, kind of fuzzy brained, emotionally drained feeling that sometimes you have this time of day, for example, people reach for a chocolate or caffeine or some snack. You might just need a glass of water. Yeah. The number one side effect of dehydration is lack of energy. And statistically, 75% of Americans are chronically dehydrated. 75%. 7%, which is a massive number, don't even drink one ounce of water a day.

Oh, wow. And right. So, so how are we supposed to be mentally okay? How are we supposed to, uh, function properly? We're just barely scraping by. So that's why the simplicity of these may seem simple, but they have exponential benefit once applied and once applied over time. This isn't something that you need to, oh my God, you need to overcome. It's a biohack. It's whatever. No, it's the most common sense things that you can do. And then from there, you can start adjusting as you become your own kind of superhero Olympian. Do these foundational things first, and then you can start feeling more and more aligned. Yeah, you can go next level.

Yeah. On the subject of kids, you address that too. And you say you should be treating them the way you treat yourself. You should not have a different diet for them. It occurred to me because it'd be so easy for me to just stick a glass of water in front of each of my kids in the morning. That doesn't take any time at all. They will drink it if it's there. But that's a bigger challenge, right? They're drawn to the sugary things. I don't know. And that seems hard to have your kids eat the way you and I are talking about. Yeah. Well, listen, it's, it's also,

we've trained them. They didn't, they didn't come to this on their own. So we've trained them a certain way and we can train them back. I mean, I don't want to, it's not like a dog, but I'm just saying, well, we, they are dependent on us. So some little fun little things you can do is put mint in the water, put a cucumber in the water, put, you know, whole strawberries and let it just infuse itself in there. And those are incredible ways. And it's also helping to mineralize the water. And now it's giving these effervescent flavors that are delicious. And keep in mind, the microbiome and all these habits, they don't just show up. They've been trained that way. So it might take a little bit of annoying time of adjusting your child's habits as well. But speak to them as you would yourself. Like, hey, mommy's doing it.

Daddy's doing it. This is healthy. Let's do this together. I want to tell me how you feel. I'm thinking about myself saying, step away from the mac and cheese and come over to this sprouted broccoli that mommy's been growing. Yeah, that's a big jump. That's a big jump. All right, wait, let's keep it moving forward. By the way, this is important. I like this. Keeping plants around us beneficial for maintaining healthy levels of oxygen in our

systems. You write plants are very effective air purifiers, nature's most efficient indoor air cleaners, removing pollutants. Studies have shown that hospital patients who have plants in their rooms recover more quickly. So plants is another simple thing that we can do to help ourselves breathe better. And you talk about, yeah, cause this is, sorry, I jumped ahead to oxygenation. And oxygenation, we did a little exercise in the beginning that I got from your book. We need to be getting plenty of oxygen. We need to be breathing in and breathing out. And can you just tell us the 5-5-5-5 step? It's not even a meditation. It's for getting

your brain oxygenated and your body oxygenated. Yeah, It's a bit, it's just a nice little easy box breathing. So it's in inhale five, hold for five, exhale of five. And then on the exhale, you're holding additionally for five. And if you want, do it for five minutes. Right. And, and, and we know, and Dr. Andrew Huberman does a lot of great work on this, where those types of box breathing can really down-regulate all of us, any of us, right away. It's shifting us all from this chronic stress that we've somehow created in our world very effectively that's undermining us, but it shifts us back into that parasympathetic state. And every process, including the immune system, works exponentially greater. So you're getting many things going on. You're helping brain chemistry, you're down-regulating

from the adrenal response to the parasympathetic chill out space, but then you're also oxygenating the body. And we know that with extra oxygen throughout the body, this helps fight bacteria. This stimulates the substances of growth factors and stem cells and promotes teeling. Like it is, again, this is why I love this stuff. It's like when you actually look at it, it's just pleomorphic. It's just, it's not a two plus two equals four. It's a two plus two equals 24, right? And it seems so simple, like oxygenate i mean that's that's

the step we're talking about oxygen well we're doing that now we're doing that now but you're basically saying we can amp it up and we can make we can do more of it we can do more controlled breathing the thing i mentioned about the plants there are ways and even you say if you have the opportunity to like study or be outside while you're doing some of your work around plants and trees, take it. Like there are these tiny things that can improve our health. Well, Megan, you know, you, you started with, you know, we were talking about, you know, the indoor things and, and, um, the plants needing the plants inside. Well, part of this kind of fatal convenience is we, we now are living 93% of our lives indoors.

And with all of that, the unpacking of that are fire retardants and formaldehydes and cleaning products and indoor air circulations and dust and molds and mites and, and, uh, God forbid black molds and everything else. And so, and then artificial lights and everything else. So, so when I'm saying breathing, I'm saying de-stress. And when I'm saying go outside, it's the antithesis of what I just said. And it's that easy. It's opening the door, going outside, getting some sun, taking your shoes off, putting on the ground if it hasn't frozen, because I'm well aware of that coming from Minnesota. But at the end of the day, hey, make a choice of maybe getting some powerful stress. And that will also stimulate your immune system but that that's a whole nother

tangent but but yeah these are really powerful things that you can do to counteract this weird ass modern world that we've created it is weird it is just weirdly strange to never go outside yeah it's you know i was, I was watching that new show, 1883, uh, with, uh, what's that actor's name? Elliot and Tim McGraw. And the reason I'm saying that is because my grandmother who ended up in the, um, uh, Dakota, South Dakota, uh, before she passed away, uh, she was 93 and she told us the story of her coming across Minnesota and South Dakota in a covered wagon. And she, they're friendly Native Americans, and she fed them, and, you know, obviously they survived. And it's like, think of that.

That was, that's my grandmother. That's just that far away. And think of how far away we've accelerated ourselves outside of nature and think that somehow we can do something and not be intimately connected because we are. All of our elements that we are made up of is absolutely nature so we we you know it gets funny terms now biohacking and all of that stuff well it's just really turn the common sense uh switch back on and don't be afraid of all of these things like the sun be be mindful get some sun and uh and and settle down on some of these chemicalized things and yes learn to breathe learn well here's instead of upper respiratory learned yeah a couple of other uh tips on that because you say breathe consciously this means inhaling deeply filling your lungs then emptying them completely. Too many people breathe shallowly.

And breathing deeply through the nose is also a great stress reliever. Inhale properly through your nose, which filters out the dirt, pollution, and other weirdness that would otherwise go straight into the lungs. Get some exercise every day. Physical activity requires you to inhale and exhale. And then this, also from your book, Dr. Arthur C. Guyton, author of the respected textbook of medical physiology, put it like this, all chronic pain, suffering, and diseases are caused from a lack of oxygen at the cell level. And you go on to cite another study out of Leeds, England that concludes there's a clear link between low oxygen levels in the brain and Alzheimer's, not to mention things like fatigue,

circulatory problems, poor digestion, muscle aches, dizziness, depression, memory loss. We need to think about oxygenating. Our lungs do a nice job on their own, but they could use some help. Let me jump forward to alkalization. What is it and is it good or bad? Yeah, well, I mean, it's really talking about the different gradients of food in this case and water and the body regulates itself. Obviously, the blood has to stay in a certain pH or alkaline. It's really, I mean, maybe I would have changed the chapter back in the day because it's talking about voltage, really. Because that's how these little cell batteries work, right? We have to have the electrolytes just like a battery does in order for electrical conduction. We are an electromagnetic field. I'm sorry to say, like if the heart stops, what do you do? You step away from the body, you take paddles and you try to start their heart again. EKGs, we're measuring the electrical electrical regulation of the body. So the alkalinization chapter starts to understand

that whole fresh food is typically very high, not high like over alkalinization, but balanced alkaline. But if you consume things that are acidic, acidic, acidic over time, then that's going to lower your electromagnetic field. And by the way, there's a great book. I don't remember the title, Dr. Jerry Tennant, the body's electric or something like that, where he measured the millivolts go up when the body goes into a healing response. So if I hit my thumb, it is in fact, the frequency and the voltage that goes up to signal the body to pull in the growth factors, the stem cells, the constituents that it needs to heal. So this body's communication from a cellular level, from a water level, from electrolyte level, from high vibe foods are all this high degree of electrical conduction. So if you're taking in coffee all day, you're not consuming water, you're eating ultra processed food, your vibe is super low.

And then that creates the opportunity for disease and other things to flourish because you've created that environment to do so. It doesn't have a point of view. If bacteria or virus have an opportunity to proliferate, it will. Like I said in the book, go put your garbage out. And then if the garbage man doesn't come, what happens? Right? Nothing good. Yeah. Squirrels, raccoons, rats, if you live in New York. All right, let me keep it moving. The last life force listed is detox, detoxification. And I mean, I think we generally understand what that means, but I don't know. I mean, to me, I'm like, there goes the booze. You say, don't become a booze hound. Don't become a drug user. Check. Got it. But there are a lot of chemicals in our food, in our drink,

and things we put in our like on our skin, our clothing, personal care products. So describe detox in a way that is useful for the average Jane or Joe. I'll describe it this way. If you're not doing certain things, some of which you've described, putting toxic compounds in really stays in harmony. But if you overload it full of just this made up food, this, you know, uh, manufactured food that we are some kind of somehow calling food, uh, and then we're slathering on, uh, uh, you know, 60 to 80,000 chemicals that are somehow created, you know, in our atmosphere and in our environment and every year, and we're getting blasted with, um, personal care, we're getting blasted with shampoos and deodorants. Uh, and again, like the water, then your body's going to be overloaded and it won't stay in tune with what it needs to

because of all these other man-made inputs. So the body is naturally with cellular autophagy, the body is naturally great at allowing cell death and replenishing cells and everything else. But now from this modern day world, we have just blasted ourselves with, with, uh, chemicals that largely haven't even been tested. Uh, you know, I think it's about 7% have actually been tested and then none of them, virtually none have been tested as they interact with each other. And again, we are interacting, we are, you know, in our life, interacting with the deodorants we wear with the clothes we have on with the environment all the time. So our bodies have a hard time clearing out some of that stuff. So the number one thing, the takeaway is start to learn what you can eliminate

and then replace with a healthy opportunity, a healthy situation. So like a cologne, like there's no part of me that ever wants a cologne or anything on my body. However, I will lean towards and put on essential lavender, rose, everything else that's actually sympathetically very good for my body and also incredible for people around me, as opposed to a chemical soup that's affecting my immune system and other people's. So that's just one example of starting to get out of this world that just because you can buy it doesn't mean it's healthy. Well, and thankfully now there are a lot of products that will come without these chemicals because more and more manufacturers are paying attention to this and realizing there's a whole market for people who care about this stuff. When we come back, we're going to talk

about these conveniences, these fatal conveniences, the things that you're doing in your life every day that might be really easy for you to eliminate that could really help supercharge your life. More with Darren coming right back after this. Darren, I tell you the truth that during the break, we were talking about how like we're kind of, oh, can't do it. We're probably not going to get filters on our showers and we it's expensive and like we'd like the way we're eating and like some diet Coke every once in a while tastes good and we like meat and it's like the sunscreen and the chemicals is everywhere in the fire retardant in the in the carpet. It's like I can't I can't do it makes me want to just walk away and say forget it. Oh, I mean, I think it's easy. It's easy to go into that place, that apathetic place,

that overwhelmed place. And but here's here's the other side. I spend the majority of my time focused on the solutions of these things because it's, it's, it's again, do you want to do something that ultimately leads to you not living your best life or your children's best lives, um, and undercutting opportunities? Um, because it, it will, you know, it, you because you will have to pay that debt. The body and our minds, I'm like that too. Our minds want to just put it in these boxes. I don't want to think I just want to live my life. And I understand.

You don't have to make any choices on my account. I'm just delivering a message. My father suffered from this stuff, chemical sensitivity, chemical sensitivity in the 90s. So it was an early indoctrination because in order to hang out with my father, I had to wear these things. I had to change. I had to put on different deodorant. I had to wash my clothes differently if I was going to wear these things. I had to change. I had to put on different deodorant. I had to wash my clothes differently if I was going to see my father. So the truth is that it's hitting you anyway.

So I don't know about you, but denial just doesn't work. You know, I just as a caveat, I was so surprised to get the message that you guys wanted me on because I'm like, I'm not political and I'm so happy that you're excited about these topics and stuff. And, and so my point is like, if we don't discuss things, if we don't, um, tell me how good it goes when you're dealing with a Mary, your, your, your marriage partner or regular partner, and you blow things off and you don't discuss, how does, how does that go? It doesn't go well. And then inevitably you have to pay the debt on, you know, not being honest with yourself, not being honest with your partner. It's the same with the body and maybe even more so because this physical avatar that we get to run around with and we get to participate in this life with, this is getting hit with it. I wish, I wish at the core of me that I didn't have to write a book on fatal conveniences, that I didn't have to talk about it, that these chemicals are not in our products.

Because at the end of the day, why the hell the hell are they yeah it's like these forces are working against us wait okay let's switch into that gear and get into it because um i want to make sure i made a list of the things uh that we're not supposed to be using um i'm just going to tick them off and then we'll go through this is the tease that I had from earlier. Sparkling water. We'll come back to it in a second. Acrylic and polyester. Antibacterial soap. That one for me is no problem. Canned food.

Oh, no. Every time we make tacos, we make black beans out of the cans. Now, here's where we really go off the rails. Botox. Fuck you, Darren. Eyeliner and mascara. That's the point where I was like, I'm out.

I'll get a plant and I'll get a water filter and I'll give up seltzer and I'll breathe and I'll get rid of my polyester blankets. But I am not getting rid of the poison that keeps his face looking 10 years younger well listen hey hey to that point if you're if you're doing really good things and keeping yourself healthy uh then that's going to be better than blowing everything off and then just sprinting towards a a disastrous life pick your poison as they say pick your poison yeah pick your poison, as they say. Pick your poison. Yeah, pick your poison. Pick your time. All right, so let's talk about sparkling water. Everybody drinks sparkling water.

You mean like the little canned sparkling waters with a little flavor? Those are actually not particularly good for us? Yeah, well, I mean, now even turning on flavor, that's a whole other thing, right? So in my supplement world background, you know, I looked under flavoring, the laws of the FDA around flavoring, there's so many loopholes, that they can put different terminologies and flow agents and

everything else. And now you're walking, those natural flavors, even if they say natural, have other unwanted things in there. I thought those were nothing. I didn't think there was anything in those seltzers. Yeah, there's usually not, but you mentioned a flavoring thing. So I'm just addressing that. But just on their own, yeah, they're infusing with carbon dioxide and that converts to carbonic acid. And so again, so think of that now in context of what we just talked about. Okay, we just talked about water, we just talked about electrolytes, we just talked about the the batteries and the electrical conduction of the

body now, knowing that these sparkling waters have a pH, which is a low acidity between anywhere from three to five pH, which is, it's like a Richter scale. Every, every unit down from seven is, is a 10 times factor. So it's, they're very acidic. Now, do i drink um will i drink uh sparkling water yes but i you know how these fatal conveniences come up uh is because i know people and they they'll reach out and go hey i'm drinking water i'm drinking like 10 sparkling waters a day and like yeah that's not a good idea so what what I'm saying is- The bubbles themselves are problematic. What they do to make it carbonated is what you're trying to avoid. Go to flat water. Yeah. Yeah. And listen, we now told you a couple of little

hacks. Infuse it with some mint and some strawberries. And I'm not saying juicing. I'm saying soak it in and that will vibe up. And a kombucha, a great kombucha with lower sugar is great. And it gets that tickle. I love kombucha and you got the fermentation, you got the biomes. I've never had that. Oh, oh man. Well, yeah, I'll point you to some good kombucha.

So that's number one. Let's go, let's go forward to acrylic and polyester. I mean, literally everything has polyester. While I was reading this, I had this nice comfy blanket on me and, uh, I'm like, Oh God, what's I I'm, I'm so dumb. I did not realize that acrylic is right directly from fossil fuels. I learned this about plastic, uh, a couple, like a year ago from Michael Schellenberger. And now I find out polyester too, it's right from fossil fuels. So it's like curling up with an oil spill. So I already went online and I ordered a blankie that didn't have any of that. It was $200. I'm like, okay, so I don't know. Like, but that's just a blankie. I bet you

half the clothes I wear i bet you the sheets i have over like it doesn't everything have polyester in it uh yeah unfortunately there's a lot and um that that's the again this this kind of weird world that we we got sold and it's like to make these cheap, super cheap products from, you know, the aftermath of petroleum and wrapping ourselves and wrapping our children in plastic diapers and phthalates and endocrine disruptors. I mean, it is just insane when you really start to kind of look at it. Again, I have to stop myself every time I look at a fatal convenience and I've already looked at it and I look at it some more

and I see the research and it calls out and it's like, oh my God, what are we doing? And so I'm compelled. I lost my father 22 years ago, but he embedded this in me. And so I'm compelled to write about it. And then again, over time you can change. And here's what I'll say about choosing expensive. I love upcycling, but keep in mind that the older blankets, for the most part, the older blankets and clothing are, the less

toxicity they have. So hold on to stuff longer. Upcycle. There's amazing upcycled companies. There is, I think I can say this. There's an incredible, there's a lot of hope. And let me say this, there's a great company called Kentra run by this amazing woman CEO, and they figured out the molomers. So all of these

petroleum, they're playing with certain chemistry to create what they're creating, but also now just putting some effort into looking at other chemistry. They're now able to create waste streams from sugar and play with the molomers. And now they are absolutely creating textiles from sugar and it doesn't have the petroleum endocrine disrupting problems. And they are pushing away some of the top brands on the planet to convert over to this stuff. So maybe- I got a question to ask you. This is a personal question, but we have a terribly naughty dog. He's so naughty. My audience knows about my Strudwick. And we just ordered a rug that's basically made out of plastic but it feels soft and it's taking like eight months to get here and now i'm like oh man we shouldn't

have gotten that rug and now i'm gonna have to have my kids keep their sneakers on whenever they walk across this rug because it's basically like rubbing yourself with polyester and acrylic and bottled water and it's yeah exactly exactly and we're inhaling that and there's micro plastics and you know you know i think the stat is we're consuming unknowingly about a credit card's worth of plastic every week uh from all of this ridiculousness. And so I, so again, you go back to just turn on the common sense radar again. Don't, don't neuter your pet or your children because there's, there's certain elements to all of this stuff. Cause you've got the parabens, you got the formaldehydes, you have the phthalates, all of them based in petroleum's, um, all have very, very similar things. They're endocrine disrupting. So they're absolutely affecting female and male hormones.

Um, and, and now we know that every child born in America has already 200 chemicals in the umbilical cord, and many of them are carcinogenic. So we've created a world where it's ridiculous. So what do we do? That just threw me for a loop. And forgive me if you don't want to touch on this. That's fine but if if if all these chemicals affect like your your gender hormones i mean do you think that there's a connection between all these chemicals and this the rise that we're seeing in people who identify as trans like i don't is this is this discussion

i mean it's hard not to just say hey there there is a we are neutering ourselves so i just go back to like there's great work by dr leo leo trisande right where we absolutely know that the male motility i think 2040 uh there won't be i from statistics, there won't be a man or 2050, there won't be a man with viable sperm. So yeah, we're affecting our immune system. I can't, I'm not a researcher, I can't make that jump. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't dare to because I have no idea. But I do know that all of these chemicals and so many more are absolutely affecting menopause, affecting menstruation. And then the T counts of men are gone. There were studies around testosterone levels at 1500, I think, millimoles per deciliter or something like that.

And now they've shifted the average because everyone's so low. And now it's like 500 to whatever is normal. So we've somehow said, well, this is just what's happening. Just what's happening is not nor like it shouldn't be the, it shouldn't be the barometer for normal. Right. So, so it's a really big problem. It's a really big problem. And do you have any plastic in your house? Do you have any plastic in your house? I mean, you can't avoid it. Of course. I mean, what do you have on your floors? Like what kind of rugs do you have? I have no rugs. Um, I have this recycled, um, I mean, listen, I'm rebuilding, um, cause the fire from the end of season one, I chose to come back to my property and be here on the ground as I try to

rebuild. And I'm in a, I'm in a 400 square foot yurt for the last three and a half years. So like I live, I'm living in this fire retardant is good to some extent. It's not all bad. Well, actually, yeah, it is actually a fire retardant. Uh, the, the research goes back to that. Why they put it in things is because, you know, in the 70s, 60s, 70s, people were cigarette smoking and it was to prevent if the cigarette fell. It doesn't stop a fire at all. Does nothing to stop the fire. And in fact, it releases all of those toxins, makes it much more dangerous for even the

firefighters. It's not stopping anything. So yeah, so I checked on my floors. I checked my, even my yurt couch. I went out and bought an organic, no formaldehydes. And like I eliminate as much as possible. Wow. You could never live with Stradwick. I mean, he's like, we have all the furniture sprayed so that if he craps on it or he does something to it, we can clean it up more easily. It doesn't work. As I said, we're now getting plastic carpets.

But now I might need to look into a refund. Let's see if that's refundable, Abby. There's so much more. Listen, what's a good place for people to go who want to hear more from you? You got the TV show. I can't believe we didn't even get to Zac Efron. That feels very wrong. But tell us the places where we can get more information from you, Darren.

Well, DarrenOlean.com, DarrenOlean on all handles. And also, a special shout out. It happens to be Zac Efron's birthday today. So happy birthday, Zac. And we're excited. Season two is coming out. I can't say when, but soon. You guys are so cute together

and they go all over the place and Darren does his thing and Zach's equally into it. And it's won all these Emmys. So this project has turned into something really meaningful and very successful. And we will definitely watch it. Darren, thank you.

Thank you so much for the great discussion. I appreciate it. Megan, it's been great. Thanks for having me. Time for another edition of Thanks But No Thanks, where we say thanks but no thanks to a trend or a story bubbling up in the news. Today, we're talking about beauty, at least beauty as it's defined by a brand that has gone so far over the woke line, it is getting serious backlash now from its own customers. Ulta Beauty is a cosmetics and fragrance brand with more than a thousand stores throughout the country and tens of thousands of employees. Last month, Ulta launched a new video

series on their YouTube and social media accounts called The Beauty Of, with a focus on a different representative influencer each episode. Sounds interesting. Let's see what's going on. The series is hosted by David Lopez, a hairstylist and beauty expert. The first episode is called The Beauty of Fatness and features Virgie Tovar, who Ulta describes as an author, activist, and expert in weight-based discrimination who has taken her body back from a fatphobic society. Let's take a look. Really, we're looking at different layers where fatphobia exists. We're talking about the interpersonal layers, how we relate to it, how it shows up in our lives. As a cisgender, queer, gay man, our whole identity like, let's be as fit as possible, thin as possible, be as desirable as possible.

Fat phobia. We're looking at the system that you're talking about. We love seeing magazine covers of what you said, a fat celebrity, for lack of a better word, that now has lost 100 pounds. We love to see that. I want to start by saying that, that you know no one has to be healthy no right like i mean it's like no like there is no governing body that's like out there putting you know what i mean it's like no one owes anybody that in either the traditional sense of the word or any other more innovative or you know more politicized maybe even version of that word

you don't have to be healthy but we don't have to celebrate somebody who is morbidly obese as healthy. That's a lie. By the way, what is tea? Tea. What's that? I don't. Truth? Abby looked it up. Truth. You can't even say truth anymore. You just got to go tea. That's cooler. This goes on for 33 minutes, these two. The response in the YouTube comments from the Ulta customers was pretty universally outraged. One commentator, Crystal, writes in, I was obese and 300 pounds. I was always in pain. I was slowly killing myself with food and not moving enough. And critiqued the whole beauty movement saying, y'all are playing with your lives. Ulta actually responded. Comments such as yours perpetuate the discrimination we're trying to combat. What? The intersectionality of health and fatness is nuanced, often personal,

and needs to consider more than just one's relationship with food. So in other words, shut the F up, Crystal. What do you know, former fat person? Which brings us to episode two, which came out last week. This time, Dave sits down with someone named Dylan Mulvaney for an episode titled The Beauty of Girlhood. We actually talked about Dylan Mulvaney recently on an episode of this show when Coleman Hughes was here because Dylan was featured at a Forbes Women's Summit. This is Dylan. Day three of being a girl, and I've already become a bimbo. With the queen herself, we are drinking martinis at 255 on a Monday on Sunset Boulevard, and then we're going makeup shopping. We love it.

Cheers. Oh, my God. Yeah. So let's take a look at how this dive into, quote, girlhood goes with Dylan and Dave. And we're on day 167 of girlhood. Mr. Hollywood, I'm right here. Mr. Hollywood, zoom in on that. But if we're going to talk about like beauty, femme, my signature, I mean, if anyone follows

me on Instagram, it's a pretty much a signature look. It's always like, it's just very beautiful. It's very beat. I always elongate my eyes. I'm always taped like i just like to present the most feminine parts of me but the thing is is that i um a makeup artist friend of mine adore does my makeup sometimes we're the only people who does it and he he has said to me multiple times like there's a point when you i'm doing your makeup and when i watch

you do yours i see the euphoria happen it like shows up in you well i gotta tell you in person your skin is like gorge like it's giving me like gal out on the town but without a pore on her face she paid a lot of money for that i gotta get some of that oh my god these are two biological men dave host, is wearing a long blonde wig. Here's what happened. When Ulta tweeted the preview of this with the sentence, trans girls can do it all, with those annoying clapping hands, the emojis behind every single word, and said the episode featured David and Dylan talking all things girlhood, Ulta's 600,000 followers had a big issue with the framing. Maggie tweeted, those are two adults. It's very creepy to hear them talking about girlhood, Ulta's 600,000 followers had a big issue with the framing. Maggie tweeted, those are two adults.

It's very creepy to hear them talking about girlhood when neither has ever experienced it. To which Ulta responded, we believe that beauty has no boundaries and we want to create an environment where all expressions of beauty are welcome. It's clearly secretly Dave making the comments. In other words, shut up, Maggie. Or another one who tweeted, two adult men talking about their experiences with girlhood. Please explain the difference between woman face and black face because I can't see one. To which Ulta replied, hate has no place at Ulta Beauty or our social channels. Please refrain from posting disrespectful or hateful comments. This went on for dozens of tweets until Ulta decided to make a final

statement this weekend saying the premise of the beauty of is to feature conversations that widen the lens surrounding traditional beauty standards. The intersectionality of gender identity is nuanced, something David and Dylan acknowledge themselves with in the episode. Regardless of how somebody identifies, they deserve our respect. Ulta Beauty, we can respect those two without making them the face of a video show about girlhood. Thanks, but no thanks. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.