The MeidasTouch Podcast - Americans DEMAND criminal charges against Trump as the GOP DESTROYS itself from within

Episode Date: June 21, 2022

On today’s episode of The MeidasTouch Podcast we sit down with Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel! During our interview we cover the ongoing threat that is the Republican Party, the personal & professional attacks AG Nessel is receiving from her MAGA opponent and what’s at stake this midterm cycle. The remainder of the episode we discuss a new ABC News poll showing that a supermajority of Americans want Donald Trump criminally charged for his role in Jan 6., 80% of Americans demanding more responsible gun legislation, MAGA infighting from over the weekend with Ted Cruz + Dan Crenshaw and more. If you enjoyed today’s episode please be sure to rate, review and subscribe! New episodes of The MeidasTouch Podcast drop every Monday & Thursday evening. As always, thank YOU for listening. DEALS FROM OUR SPONSORS: https://athleticgreens.com/Meidas https://betterhelp.com/Meidas https://thuma.co/Touch Remember to subscribe to ALL the Meidas Media Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://pod.link/1510240831 Legal AF: https://pod.link/1580828595 The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://pod.link/1595408601 The Influence Continuum: https://pod.link/1603773245 Kremlin File: https://pod.link/1575837599 Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://pod.link/1530639447 The Weekend Show: https://pod.link/1612691018 The Tony Michaels Podcast: https://pod.link/1561049560 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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gun ownership, according to a new poll. What can we expect this week where we have two more January 6th committee hearings? Jordy and I will break it down. And there is a full blown conflict in the Republican Party between Ultra Maga and Maga Light. They are attacking each other. They are eating themselves up because let's just be clear, that party is not conservative anymore. They are radical right extremists. There are various gradations of it from extremely extreme to extreme, but they are all going after each other. But the one consistent strain throughout that extreme is they're probably the most hypocritical people ever. I want to break down just some of the hypocrisy taking place. And we

have Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel, who is joining the podcast. Attorney General Nessel has done so much for the state of Michigan, so much for this country, advancing civil rights, human rights. I'm super excited to have her on the show. Brett's not feeling well. Don't worry. You got Ben and Jordy, your two favorite Mycelis brothers at the helm of the ship today. Jordy, how are you feeling today? I'm doing well. I'm excited, man. It seems like we can't get three brothers on the show today. Jordy, how are you feeling today? I'm doing well. I'm excited, man. It seems like we can't get three brothers on the show anymore. What's going on here? You know what? The one consistent theme is you've got this brother on the show,

the older brother holding it down. Let's get right into it. Nearly six in 10 Americans think former president Donald Trump. I cringe when I have to even use the P word in front of Donald Trump, but that he should be charged with a crime for his role in the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol. This increased from about 50 to 52 percent from an earlier ABC News Washington Post poll. The new poll basically shows a super majority, basically 60 percent in a survey, believe that Trump should be charged. Jordy, people were saying the January 6th committee, oh, the echo chamber, no one's going to listen, blah, blah, blah, whining, whining, whining. Why would they put this on? No one's watching. Oh, shut up. And the polls show it. You're wrong. Your doom and gloom attitude is boring and

overplayed. Just get out the way and let the real people handle the real work. All right? No more doom and gloom attitude, because here's the reality. Are we going to convince the ultra, ultra MAGA to completely do a 180 on their radical extremist views. No, but there is a core group of independents who are watching what's taking place very carefully, and they are identifying with the witnesses the January 6th committee is putting up. Recall, January 6th committee has not put a single Democrat on the panel. They have not called a single Democratic witness on a witness panel yet. They've all been Republicans.

And in fact, most of them have worked for Trump in some capacity in the deposition footage that we've seen. So we have some of the most conservative jurists like Judge Ludwig. We have Vice President Pence's top lawyer like Greg Jacob. We have the top Republican election lawyer in Ginsburg. We've got the Fox News political editor who called the election for Biden. I mean, you had Bill Stepien in a deposition, you know, one of the chief advisors to Donald Trump and the Trump administration saying that this was all, you know, BS. You literally have a bill bar saying that all of Donald Trump's claims are bullshit. We have a quote as an exact quote is an exact quote. We have Donald Trump's counsel, Eric Hirschman, telling Trump's other lawyer, John Eastman, don't you effing call me anymore unless it's to tell me orderly transition of power. witch hunt. The only thing that this is partisan is that everyone's Republican who's been called

so far. This is as not partisan as you can be. And this is changing hearts and minds of people. It's hard for me to believe that people were on the fence to begin with, but this is changing the hearts and minds of people. Jordy, what's your reaction? It absolutely is. But Ben, you also forgot that all of the Republicans testifying are rhinos. Now, that's obviously a ridiculous thing that these MAGA Republicans are saying and calling these people who are testifying rhino this, rhino that. It's such a smart decision the way the January 6th committee has let this unfold. Bring every single Republican and have them testify, every Republican, because it seems that everyone who testifies the MAGA base

tries to distance themselves from. And sooner or later, there's just not going to be many people left for them to distance themselves with if they keep going at this pace. Such a smart move. I've said this once. I say it every time we go on the podcast, the J6 committee has been flawless in their execution. And Jordy, you mentioned the term rhinos, and we'll talk about this in a little bit, this fight between ultra MAGA and MAGA light and ultra MAGA calls MAGA light rhinos. Don't pledge your allegiance to Donald Trump over the United States Constitution. Right now, you're considered a rhino. That's how far they've moved. Like a rhino is no longer to them even someone like an Adam Kitzinger or a Lidge Cheney. It's someone who just doesn't literally praise undying fealty to Donald Trump at this point.

But you see this guy, this guy running for senator in Missouri. This is an ex governor. He put out a campaign ad today about going hunting for rhinos with his gun. And I don't even want to play the clip because it's so horrendous. But Eric Greitens, who was forced out of office as a governor based on all of these scandals and campaign finance issues and being accused of sexual assault and all of these accusations that forced him in a very short term when he was governor. He's running for Senate right now, and he released this ad about going rhino hunting to get the nomination as a Republican. And as one commentator said, it's not even like he was trying to be humorous and has some like failed attempt at humor where he was like on a safari searching for like an actual rhino, you know, wearing a hat, which would still be in completely bad taste. This campaign ad shows him with a gun, with police knocking into someone's home.

It just looks like they're breaking into someone's home to kill an individual, like to kill an actual Republican who they consider to be a rhino. The video is of him breaking in to try to murder somebody. That's what the campaign ad is. And it goes, I'm hunting rhinos. It's just so tone deaf, man. These people are just so tone deaf. We're having a very serious conversation about the future of gun laws in this country. And you're going to release an ad where you're just breaking and entering into somebody's home and shooting them because they don't align with you politically. I mean, that is disgusting. And I think we saw a Fox News poll, Ben, that showed something like 80 percent of Americans in this country now want gun laws to include raising the age from 18 to 21. That's a Fox quote unquote news poll right there. Yeah. So Fox News brought over the weekend Senator Mike Lee of Utah on the show and asked him about, you know, gun reform and responsible gun ownership. They they showed the polling that shows the Fox News polling that over 80 percent of Americans want to raise the age for having assault weapons from 18 to 21 support stronger background checks.

And a significant majority of Americans just want to ban assault weapons kind of outright. But you still have this 80 percent who want age limits and other responsible gun ownership measures. And then Mike Lee, Senator Mike Lee, is basically standing there saying, well, I don't think people know what an assault weapon is. People are very confused by the question. No one knows what an assault weapon is. Why are you classifying this as an assault weapon? And that was really their talking point. Ted Nugent went on TV to kind of hammer in. He held up like a flashlight. He was like, is this an assault weapon. And that was really their talking point. Ted Nugent went on TV to kind

of hammer in. He held up like a flashlight. He was like, is this an assault weapon? If I assault you with it? No, you stupid idiot. What an assault weapon is, is an AR-15. It's a weapon of war. It's designed based on a war weapon that was used in Vietnam, that's used in Iraq, and that an 18-year-old who has no credit, who has no financial backing, who just turns 18 should not be able with the most simple click of their mouse to get a weapon of war. That is a widely popular opinion in the United States of America, that there should be responsible gun ownership. Nobody, and there's really nobody, Jordy, who's really even talking about who have Democratic leadership positions about taking away your guns. It's let's have responsible

gun ownership. If there's going to be these guns out there. Let's just be responsible about it. Seems like a fair opinion, but look, 80 plus percent of Americans are looking at this and saying, we need responsible gun ownership. And the Republicans, they are so faithful to the NRA and not the American people that they're left with this position

of people don't know what assault weapons are. People know what assault weapons are. People know what assault weapons are, Mike. It's so sad that these politicians, specifically the Republican, the MAGA's men, that they are just in the pocket of the NRA. The NRA pays for their homes, pays for their lifestyle. So they're not representing these politicians. They're not representing their constituents. They're representing the NRA. And they go on these shows. And let me just back up real quick. Ted Nugent looked not great. He's never looked great, but Ted Nugent's appearance,

I was shocked. I haven't looked at him in a while. Oh my God. But that's neither here nor there. What have we learned in these first two segments already, Ben? Common sense is what the American people just want, right? Over nearly 60% of Americans want to see Trump criminally prosecuted because of his role in the insurrection. 80% of Americans want to see common sense gun legislation passed. It's not rocket science. It's common sense. And there's no media other than the Midas Media Network and a few others, though, who are presenting that perspective. You only have radical right extremist media in Fox News, and then you have CNN, which is making a hard turn right. I don't even know what in the world they're doing. Because here's the thing,

when they claim that some of their commentators, this is how CNN is saying, oh, well, you're being too political. You're not being too political if you're condemning an insurrection. That's not a political position. You're not being too political if you say during a global pandemic that we should follow the advice of our health experts. It's when that strain of kind of corporate media then views those very basic acts and says, well, you are politicizing it. And I say, I'm not politicizing anything. It's the radical right extremists who have turned very basic and fundamental rights and health issues into these political hot potatoes that shouldn't exist in the first place. And now you're just buying into their rhetoric. That's what's going on. And that's why, Jordi, we need to have these conversations,

because would you really know from watching mainstream media that there is this civil war, if you will, going on within the Republican Party between extreme MAGA and MAGA-lite, as I like to call it? they don't even cover that. They like to go, oh, the Democrats are in disarray. We're not in disarray. We are very united on like 98% of the issues. There will be some disagreements, but we overall are very united in these common sense issues that I think is where most of Americans stand. But we have to listen to all this BS every day from Fox News and then CNN reacting to Fox News. And no one's talking about what the issues are and to break through the rhetoric. So here's what's going on with the radical right extremists.

So Texas held their convention. It was the first time they've held their convention. It's like the most radical agenda that they've ever, you know, passed, you know, in, in the history of, uh, you know, of, of Texas. I mean, I'll go through with you with this, um, agenda was, you know, in, in a little bit, but at the agenda, you had, um, Dan Crenshaw who showed up at rather at the convention. And as soon as he showed up, he got like the, all the ultra magas who were there. I mean, and Dan Crenshaw, by the way, he aligned himself with ultra magas. Like he sewed this, you know, he, he sewed this to himself by aligning, you know, he has the pictures of himself with Enrique Tarrio. He leaned in on all of these things. But because he hasn't been 100 percent faithful to Donald Trump, they call him a globalist. They were calling him Eyepatch McCain. I mean, I want you to frame this here.

John McCain, a war hero. You can say whatever you want to say about Dan Crenshaw's politics. He's a Navy SEAL who defended this country bravely overseas and has written about in detail how valiantly he served the country. He lost his eye in battle, in fighting for our country. And for these radical right MAGA extremists who support an individual like Donald Trump, who claimed burr spurs to get five deferments so he never had to go to Vietnam in the first place. This chicken shit Donald Trump who projects to be a strong man who lied to avoid his military service, that they're mocking in one McCain and Crenshaw, two people who have fought for this country as actual military patriots, but they booed and literally attacked Dan Crenshaw at the convention. You see that video, Jordy?

That was crazy. That was crazy. But it's also like, I don't feel bad for Dan Crenshaw at the convention. You see that video, Jordy? That was crazy. That was crazy. But it's also like, I don't feel bad for Dan Crenshaw in the sense that to what we spoke about earlier, he aligned himself with these lunatics. He aligned himself with this MAGA fringe and now he's reaping the benefits of that. And like you said, if you're not aligning with 100% that Donald Trump is still the president of the United States or whatever they were mad at him specifically about, I think they were calling him a globalist, then they're going to come after you. And he's now, along with Ted Cruz, who we'll talk about in a second, are seeing what happens once you get so close to this disgusting fringe and not even get close to it, but welcome it with open arms. And then real quick, before we move off of it, they're not just shouting, I patch McCain just haphazardly. Do you know where they pick that up from?

They pick that up from Tucker Carlson, from watching Fox News. That phrase wasn't in the colloquial of this MAGA base until Tucker Carlson spewed that a few weeks back. And now it's all I see everywhere I go. Yeah, no, that's where they feed. The Fox News injects that extremism right into the veins and they go out and they literally attack these people. And then you have Senator Cornyn, Texas senator who was out speaking as well. They booed him because he's one of the senators who are part of the compromise for responsible gun ownership. So he got booed. And then when you had Ted Cruz also, you know, recently was attacked as well and by the ultra MAGA. And they were basically, you know, they were calling him Cancun Cruz.

They were mocking him, you know, for not standing up to Trump. And Cruz like thought that these people may have been like, you know, people on, I hate the left, right dichotomy with what we have right now, but these were ultra MAGA people going after Cruz as a globalist and as, you know, an anti-Trumper and being weak, but it's kind of like, be careful what you wish for, you know, Jordy, right? I mean, like they sowed the seed themselves. Look, man, these people are just, these people are just lunatics. And I don't feel bad for them in the sense that they brought this on themselves. At the end of the day, they brought this on. They

welcome this MAGA base. It's their bad day. I have to lay in it. So let's talk about what the Texas Republican Party voted on, this platform, to declare Biden as not legitimately elected, that the 2020 election was stolen, that homosexuality is an abnormal lifestyle choice, requiring kids to be taught that life begins at fertilization, amending the Texas Constitution to remove the legislature's power to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime, requiring Texas students to learn about the humanity of a pre-born child, deeming gender identity disorder a genuine and extremely rare mental health condition, ensuring freedom to travel by opposing Biden's clean energy plan and California-style anti-driver policies, abolishing the Federal Reserve. This is what the Republican Party has

adopted. This is how outrageous and extreme they are there, that that's what Ultramag is. And you're going to see this rolled out. We are seeing it rolled out in other states, but this is the radical extremist agenda that they stand for and that they vote for. And if we don't seize our democracy, if we don't fight for our democracy each and every day, those are the types of policies that are going to be implemented. And Jordi, it's tinged, though, with this sense of hypocrite, because as we go west from Texas to the state of Arizona, Carrie Lake, who used to be a newscaster over there, you may have seen this story as well. Carrie Lake, who used to be a newscaster over there. You may have seen this story as well. Carrie Lake, who's running for governor, she's seeking the Republican

nomination there. You know, she's got on this whole anti-drag queen, you know, campaign. That's the Republicans' new caravan, you know, because they have nothing to run on, you know, and people aren't, I guess, buying into the, you know, migrant caravan thing anymore. Now it's drag Queens are going to be, you know, running in and, uh, yeah, I don't, I don't know what, I don't even know what the argument is, but their whole thing is drag, anti-drag Queens. Now, um, at the same time, Republicans, uh, are allowing, you know, the proliferation of AR-15s and other weapons. But drag queens is the issue that they want to focus on. But here's the thing where they're so hypocritical.

So over the weekend, Barbara Seville, who's widely known in Phoenix, is probably the most well-known drag queen in the area. She was very close with Carrie Lake. Carrie Lake was her friend for like the past decade. And Carrie Lake's daughter would actually go to drag queen shows of Barbara Seville. And they would hang out. They were friends. They would send nice text messages to each other. And then Carrie Lake just takes this position, this hateful position against her friend to throw red meat to the hateful base. And Barbara Seville was like, what the freak are you doing?

I thought we were friends. And it just highlights, though, that this is all coming from a place of hypocrisy and fear by making yourself subservient to Donald Trump, a man himself who's just the epitome of a hypocrite, who genuinely stands for nothing other than self-aggrandizement, other than himself, you're not tethered to any policy other than let me take the most hateful position to rile up a base, to try to energize a rally and get the people out with the pitchforks to support me and then try to scare others away. That's the old strategy that exists. And that's exactly what they're trying to do. They're trying to change the conversation sort

of away from guns here and start attacking communities at large. Women in this country are under attack right now. The LGBTQ community in this country is under attack right now from very hateful people. And you could stand by and do nothing if you claim to be an ally, but you can't. You actually can't. You have to show your allyship. You have to speak up and you have to speak out because these communities are under attack and it's other voices along with theirs that will help make sure that their safety is issue number one in this country. And that's what you said, Jordy, that your safety, that your identity, that your recognition of your fundamental human rights will be recognized. And just going

back briefly to Texas for a second, the Texas Republican Party voted to shut out the Log Cabin Republicans, an organization of gay Republicans from participating in their convention. Now, you have to help me understand this, Jordy. If the political party does not even want to allow me to enter the room, why can I trust this political party to support anything? They don't even recognize my identity. They don't even recognize my existence. They are so against me that they won't even allow us to be present with them. And ultimately, and this is what Midas had put on its Twitter account, a statement that was, if you support hate, eventually the hate's going to come for you, you know, and we've heard, you know, you know,

particularly like in the Holocaust, first they came for this group, then they came for this group and they came for this group, but I didn't do anything. Then they came for me. That's the way it works. Hateful people are going to come for you when you're not useful to them anymore. And that's what we saw there as well. Yeah. Yeah. It's just so frustrating because you want to be able to have a conversation with members of the lock heaven and be like, Hey, why? But they can't give you a legitimate answer. It goes back to our conversation about the J6 committee putting on Republicans because every Republican is a rhino who they speak with. It's like, how many people have to be called out? How many people have to be just totally

shunned by this MAGA base for the party at large to start waking up and shun the MAGA wing? Get the MAGA wing out of here. But unfortunately, the MAGA wing is the majority of the party. You thought there were blockbuster hearings already from the Jan 6th committee. Wait until this week's hearings coming up, which will explore Trump's role in direct role in overthrowing the election. And one of the hearings that we can expect to focus on is Trump's personal interaction with people to create these fake elector slates. One of these fake elector slates was from Michigan. We're going to have Attorney General Dana Nessel on where the Republican Party and extremists tried to put forward fake electors that went against the will of the people so that those fake electors would vote for Trump, even though that's not where

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Well, I want to get right into it. So recently you've been in the news. You were speaking at a civil rights conference about a lot of the Republican extremist views, how they're going after trans athletes. Now they've made this fake issue over drag queens, whatever it is to basically scare people. You made a joke during the session, but what your focus was on, can we focus on real issues here? But I guess there's no room for nuance anymore in discussions or even to you know, to have some level of humor to make the point. So what'd you say, Attorney General, what'd you mean? And what's going on in your state overall, where they're even making drag queens an issue now when there are real issues to be focused on? Well, that's exactly the problem, right? The Republicans don't have

real solutions to our very real issues. So they can simply fabricate them. And what they do is they pick oftentimes the most marginalized members of society state legislature, talk about the banning of children ever seeing either drag queens perform or even reading time, where they sometimes, will have reading hours at local libraries. And I said in my experience of being around drag queens, I think that they're fun and pure entertainment. Generally, when I see them, they're impersonating a celebrity. Most recently, I was at an event the other day where there was a Dolly Parton impersonator who was singing Dolly Parton songs or lip syncing them, at least. And the kids loved it. So I said, are you kidding me? Not only do drag queens not terrify children

or psychologically or physically harm children, drag queens are fine. And wouldn't it be great if we had a drag queen in every school? Now, when I said that for the humorless Republicans that are listening to me right now, obviously, I was joking. We don't have enough drag queens for every school. But but that being the case, you know, it was a joke, clearly. But now there are headlines running all around my state and nationally about that. And the reason for that is this. It's not just the absolute lack of humor exhibited by these individuals, kids in school, because they're not willing to fund more psychologists, more social workers, better pay and benefits for teachers, and because

they're unwilling to address some of the systemic issues at play, which I have been doing in addressing the school-to-prison pipeline. I've been going all over the state and talking about restorative practices that would actually allow for more children to graduate and fewer kids to be expelled where they have terrible outcomes. Instead, they had to pick up on this line that, again, obviously I was making in jest, but it just tells you where the Republican Party is at these days and how, you know, even the most feeble attempts at humor, they take it and run with it because they have absolutely nothing else. Right. And you talk about firearms, you know, what really terrifies parents in Michigan and across

the United States of America are school shootings that they will drop off their children into a school. And because we allow 18 year olds, people who just turned 18, who have no credit to pick up firearms at their local shop with very little background check, if any, pick it up and do whatever they want to do. That's what's scaring parents. We saw this Fox News poll, over 80% of Americans support raising the age limit from 18 to 21 on assault weapons and also support responsible gun ownership. I think that is why they're running on drag queens and trans athletes and all these fake issues when you have overwhelming support for the issues that really matter to Americans. But how do we break through, Attorney General? How do we talk to

Americans and say, stop listening to that noise? These are the issues. Let's focus. Yeah, it's hard to know, right? Because, you know, we had a school shooting in Michigan last November, Oxford High School. There were four children that were murdered and several more that were seriously injured, including a teacher. And that was a 15-year-old who was able to obtain a firearm because we don't have safe and secure storage in Michigan. I mean, we can't even get a hearing at this point on a law that would make it a crime for people who reside with minors not to secure their firearm properly

in a manner that minors can't possess it or get hold of it. We can't even do that. We can't even get a hearing on it. So I guess the question is, how are we gonna better arm, if you will, voters in this state with that kind of information? We know the polling on it, right?

So we know that an issue like that polls above 90% in this state. But again, the Republicans who are in charge of, you know, our state house and our state Senate, and who control whether or not a bill ever gets a hearing, won't even allow it to be heard. We can't even have legitimate debate or discussion on it. But I think that everyone is in their own ecosystems. And they would, you know, in some areas, they're not going to know about all the work that I've done on, you know, school safety issues where I've gone all around the state trying to figure out ways to ensure that our kids are safer

at school. But they sure as hell aren't going to know about that joke I made about drag queens, because that's all they're going to hear when they're listening to Fox, when they're watching One American News or Newsmax, or where they're looking at certain feeds on Telegram or Facebook. It's hard to know. Not only are the Republicans in Michigan and throughout the country, but also we see this particularly in Michigan, blocking important legislation like legislation for responsible gun ownership. But it almost is these elected Republican officials.

I would say it's a dog whistle, but it seems like a trumpet at this point to extremist groups, neo-Nazi groups, and really kind of encouraging them and pushing them to engage in some of these horrific acts. I mean, we see the rise of domestic extremism across the country, but Michigan has really been ground zero for these extremist groups. We have the four members of the neo-Nazi group called the base, and I think Al-Qaeda calls themselves the base too. I mean, this neo-Nazi group named themselves after Al-Qaeda or used the same name. Can you tell us a little bit about the group, the charges, and if they pled? Yeah, so this was, and I will say the work that I've done in the department

and in the state, I think this is one of the things that I'm most proud of. And here's why. These members of this domestic terrorism group, this white supremacy group, they were training with firearms, and they had sort of co-opted a former Michigan Department of Corrections facility that was abandoned in order to train for mass chaos. And their plan was simply to kill as many people as possible. And they were still in the process of choosing who their target was going to be, although we knew it would be a minority group. And, you know, we were able to work with our partners in the federal government, also with the state prosecutor and local law enforcement. And before they could actually commit mass carnage, we were able to charge them. It was the first time, not just in

Michigan history, but in American history, that we charged individuals with a defense that's basically training with firearms for the purpose of causing civil unrest. It had never been charged before in the history of the United States, but we charged it and we convicted them all and they're in prison now. So they're not going to be committing mass homicide. So, you know, I'm proud of the fact that we didn't have an event like we just saw recently in Buffalo or we've seen in Charleston or we've seen in various other places because we were able to levy these charges and we were able to work together with law enforcement all across the spectrum to do that. But I think it needs to be a more coordinated effort because obviously we know that these plans are everywhere. And I think about things like what we just saw in Idaho and thank God that there was a tip and they were able to arrest these people, but who knows what would have happened in the event that those individuals had not been arrested.

And there are similar plans underway in states all across the country. And we have to be as vigilant as possible. We ought to be focusing on groups like the base and not on Trixie Deluxe or RuPaul or any of the other drag queens out there that are emulating such dangerous characters as Marilyn Monroe and Cher. You know what, too? It just seems, though, there's such this hypocritical phoniness, you know, with many of these Republicans who are currently running. I would try to make a broad sweep and perhaps say all of them, but even have like Carrie Lake over in Arizona, who's running for governor, who we saw taking pictures with drag queens and having all this fun and should be bringing her daughter to the drag queens. But then when she runs,

she she runs on this radical anti drag queen agenda, anti drag queen agenda. You know, it's the strangest thing in the world. But she's got photos for the last decade posing with drag, which is probably posed with more drag queens than anyone in the United States. You see a certain picture of Madison Cawthorn where it looked as though, you know, he was attending a party and he was almost similarly dressed? We have pictures of Rudy Giuliani dressed in drag. But the thing is, when you talk about, you know, this this trope, this ridiculous narrative about drag queens sexualizing children, The fact of the matter is,

I have some of the largest widespread sexual abuse cases in American history that are currently pending in my office. We have the clergy abuse investigation, where we've charged 11 members of the clergy, convicted six of them so far. The Boy Scouts of America investigation, where we've estimated that there are nearly 3,000 victims in the state of Michigan. And we have various investigations going into, wait for it, public officials, most of them Republicans. One who was a former speaker of the House, who has various accusations levied against him. But here's the thing. Even though most of these investigations involve straight Christian males, you certainly don't hear the Republicans saying, oh, my God, we can't allow our kids to be around straight Christian

males because look at all these instances of sexual abuse. These are cases where we've not just investigated, we've prosecuted, we have convictions. Guess how many investigations we have ongoing into drag queens in the state of Michigan? I would venture to say you probably have zero. Zero. And let me go a little, a step further, just in terms of, I know that trans people are very different from drag queens, so let's not confuse them. But a few years ago, when we were hearing on and on about the dangers posed by trans women in bathrooms, I actually went to the effort to go to county prosecutors and to ask, hey, listen, in your sex crimes divisions, can you tell me how many trans women have attacked children? Guess what the answer was? I'm going to go and say zero.

Zero. Zero. And I actually had the Wayne County prosecutor, Wayne County, our most populous county, that's where Detroit is, 1.7 million people reside there. Half of the felony cases that are charged every year occur in Wayne County. We went back some, I think, 15 years all through her sex crimes division, and there were zero cases of any trans women who were even, you know, who had warrants presented against them, let alone charged, let alone convicted. So when you talk about, you know, fabricating this just to scapegoat individuals who not only are they not predators, they're victims. I have charged and tried many, many cases of trans women who were assaulted and trans women who were brutally tortured and murdered,

but no cases where they were the actual defendants. And that's the reality of what we're talking about. And when you take groups of people like the LGBT community, and you talk about them as though they're groomers, you talk about them as though they are sexualizing children, what you're doing is you're actually putting them in harm's way, and you are increasing the likelihood that they will become the victims of hate crimes. So that's what we're seeing in Michigan and all across America. It's not just that they're not helping kids, but they're hurting kids because a lot of those kids who identify as LGBT and will grow up to are going to end up committing suicide. I mean, that's that's the real threat that we're talking about posed by Republicans. And you know what? Let me say this. For some of those Republicans, it's going to be their children.

And in terms of cases that Americans want to see brought, you know, a new poll shows about 60 percent of Americans, watching the first three hearings so far of the January 6th committee believe that Donald Trump should be charged for his involvement in the insurrection. Now, the Republican candidate for attorney general in Michigan, Matt DiPerno, is one of the loudest pushers of the big lie. Even as recently as a week ago or so, made legal filings to the Michigan Supreme Court to hear a case, Bailey versus the County of Antrim, a case challenging the 2020 presidential election results. They've already been investigated audits. Americans who are watching the Jan 6th committee see what's going on, quote unquote, team normal, Trump's own people, all of these Republican witnesses who are going before the January 6th committee, all testifying

that what Trump was doing was unlawful. Are the people in Michigan seeing what Matt DiPerno is doing? And how do you even have someone so radical who's running for such an important position? And what would that mean to the people of Michigan if someone like that could ever get in power? I mean, from from a standpoint of all of their their civil rights. Well, let's talk about a few things. Firstly, the Trump appointed U.S. attorney of the Eastern District of Michigan, a guy by the name of Matthew Schneider, following the instructions of Bill Barr after the 2020 election, he actually investigated Detroit. So all of the goings on involving the TCF Center, which is the subject of such incredible documentaries as 2000 Mules, he investigated it. And he came out and he said, even though he was a Trump appointee,

I looked into that. I did a thorough and comprehensive investigation, found no evidence of any kind of fraud that was occurring there. And he said the reason why he feels so disjointed from the Republican Party, of which he's been a member his entire life, is because he said, you know, he swore an oath to the Constitution, not to Donald Trump. And then he made those reports to Bill Barr. And that's why when you heard Bill Barr during the January 6th testimony, he said, I believe the words he used were, it was bullshit, those allegations. Same thing with the other connections to January 6th in Michigan. We know that Ed McBroom, a senator from the Upper Peninsula, who was the chair of the Senate Oversight Committee, did a lengthy analysis of any alleged voting fraud in Michigan. He said he

could find absolutely none, but he did refer fraud to me, to my department, because he found that my opponent had committed fraud by raising some $400,000 or more off of the pretense that there was fraud to support that court case that you just talked about. You also had a Senate Majority Leader, Mike Shirky, who indicated that he was subpoenaed and he testified before the January 6th committee because of the pressure that was applied to him by Donald Trump to undermine the legitimate results of the election. He also said he could find no fraud. brilliant that the January 6th committee is using really almost exclusively Democrats, sorry, Republicans in order to establish the premise, the truthful premise that there was no systemic election fraud in Michigan or in any state across the country. Are people believing it as they're hearing it? I don't know, because I think the same people that are watching Fox News

are really not hearing this. But I will say, as you indicated, almost 60% of the people now believe not just, I think, that the election was safe, secure, and accurate, but that Donald Trump actually committed a crime when he did all the mechanisms in place to try to overthrow the election. I should say further, my opponent was in Washington, D.C., on January 6th, in the State Department, helping to plan this coup, And he actually bragged about it in a questionnaire that he filled out. And he underlined it with, I was at the State Department

on January 6th, you know, planning with the Trump people. Don't tell the feds. Not kidding you. Don't tell the feds. So that's my opponent. The governor's race, the leading candidate right now is Ryan Kelly, who's actually been charged in relation to the insurrection. But these are the leading candidates for their party. And it really tells you who the Republican Party is right now. They are the party of insurrection. They are the party of civil unrest. They are the party of illegalities. And they will destroy this country in the event that they are elected to such important offices as governor, as attorney general, and also in our state, the election denier who is the Republican endorsed candidate for secretary of state.

We will have no more democracy in the state of Michigan if the three of them become elected. We're recording this on Monday, June 20th. We're expecting more Supreme Court decisions this Tuesday and this Thursday. One of those decisions that I anticipate will be coming this week is the decision overturning Roe v. Wade. We've already seen the draft opinion there. Can you speak to how important this election is for Attorney General in light of what we all know this decision is going to be overturning Roe v. Wade? Well, as many people know, we have a 1931 law that will immediately spring back into effect. The only reason it's not been enforced all these many years is because of Roe v. Wade. And it makes abortion a felony in our state. It means that providers can be prosecuted.

If women self-administer an abortion pill in Michigan, they can be charged with a felony. And, you know, abortion medication would become illegal in Michigan, they can be charged with a felony. And, you know, abortion medication would become illegal in Michigan. So I have pledged not to enforce that law in the event that the law is viable again and is enforceable, just like there are many laws that I don't enforce, such as, for instance, the adultery law I've never enforced. But that being the case, my opponent has said this. And remember, this law has no exceptions for rape. It has no exceptions for incest. And it really doesn't have exceptions for medical emergency. The one and only exception is to save the life of the woman. But my opponent has said that not only

is he excited to vigorously enforce this law, he doesn't believe that there are actually any circumstances under which a woman could die during pregnancy. And he believes in the concept of personhood as soon as fertilization takes place, which means a lot of things. One, no more fertility clinics. I'll tell you that right now. No more IVF, because if you plan on creating a zygote in a lab somewhere and potentially disposing of it, you're now a felon. You've committed a felony. So all our fertility clinics will have to shut down. But furthermore, for women who undergo serious complications of their pregnancy, whether that's an ectopic pregnancy, whether it's somebody

who has incredibly high blood pressure, and we know that there might be a 40 or 50% chance that they die during the course of childbirth, whether it's an individual like a state rep from the Portage area in Michigan, Christine Morris, who indicated, I mean, she was diagnosed with a very aggressive form of breast cancer while she was pregnant with her fourth child. So much so that, you know, she may have died had she not been able to get surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation. And her oncologist said he would never perform that if she was still pregnant. He would never treat her. So people like that will be left to die. And especially poor women of color that won't have access to medical care. So the contrast couldn't be greater. Here,

he's going to have an entire division devoted to executing search warrants and subpoenas, to go into doctor's offices, to open up patient files to see what kind of procedures those doctors are performing. Whereas I have said, this is a private medical matter between a woman and her healthcare provider, a woman and her family. And as the state's top law enforcement official who has criminal jurisdiction over all 83 counties, I don't plan to intervene in that decision, which I, again, believe is inappropriate for whether you are a government official, a politician in Lansing or in I, again, believe is inappropriate for whether you are a government official, a politician in Lansing or in Washington, D.C. That's none of my damn business. I want to keep drilling down on this Matt DiPerno, the Republican candidate for attorney general.

DiPerno even went as far as to profess his undying loyalty to Trump. He said something like, Donald Trump is still my president, the 45th president of the United States, and I dare say the 47th. Now, what does it say that he's pledged his loyalty to one man and not the Constitution, the rule of law, Michigan, or the United States? And Attorney General, before answering that question, let's just hear from one of our sponsors, Jordy. Look, everybody listening, you have to know about Thuma because Thuma has changed the game. It's changed my life. Your bedroom deserves a refresh. And now is the perfect time to elevate the most important room in your home with Thuma. Okay. Made for how you live, the bed by Thuma is backed with a lifetime warranty.

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the Perno, the Republican candidate for attorney general. The Perno even went as far as to profess his undying loyalty to Trump. He said something like Donald Trump is still my president, the 45th president of the United States. And I dare say the 47th. Now, what does it say that he's pledged his loyalty to one man and not the Constitution, the rule of law, Michigan or the United States? It means that he will do anything and everything to ensure that Donald Trump is declared the winner of the presidential election in Michigan, that he gets our 15 electoral votes. There are so many things that as attorney general, you can do. It's your job to defend the certification process. And in many instances,

if it's contested, that's a lot of work. All of the cases that I had to defend in the 2020 election, whether it was going after the Postal Service to make sure that absentee ballots were delivered on time to be counted, whether it was defending cases involving Sidney Powell, the Kraken, when she tried to decertify our election, or the case filed in front of the United States Supreme Court by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. The list goes on and on and on as to how much work I had to do and my department had to do to defend the legitimate results of the election so that our electoral votes could go to the guy who actually won our state by 154,000 votes. It wasn't even close. So if you have an attorney general in this state,

like Matt DiPerno, who believes that his job is to ensure that Donald Trump gets our electoral votes, it'll be very easy for him to do. And it really won't matter what the voters decide to do, because it will only matter what, you know, Matt DiPerno is attorney general and Christina Karamo, should she be elected secretary of state, they will have more power than the millions and millions of voters in our state put together. If they seek to undermine an election, they can do it. That is a scary, scary thought right there. And obviously, DiPerno's statements are outrageous, but they're also terrifying.

I mean, this man has also went a step further and threatened you with jail time, Governor Whitmer with jail time, Secretary of State Benson with jail time if he wins the election. So how do you handle an opponent that is just openly fascist? I mean, this is happening when we know that Governor Whitmer was on a radical right hit list too. Yeah, several, actually. You know, it's, it's, all I can do is sort of joke about it, but it's a really serious set of circumstances, you know. And I remember especially when Matthew DiPerno went to Mar-a-Lago for the fundraiser that Donald Trump held for him. And, you know, he continually talks about locking myself and Governor Whitmer and Secretary Benson up. And when asked, well, what did Attorney General Nessel do that would cause her to be, you know, prosecuted and imprisoned? And

Donald Trump said, she knows what she did. But I want you to think about this for a second. You know, again, top Attorney General in this state, top law enforcement official, criminal jurisdiction in every county in this state, the ability to get search warrants and subpoenas. And I mean, to have somebody have the opportunity to abuse this position the way that it can be if it's in the wrong hands is honestly terrifying. And, you know, this is something we when we think about banana republics, when we think about, you know, nations that, you know, don't have a true criminal justice system where you just have unlimited authority for those who are in power to lock people up, to investigate people, to fabricate cases against them. You know, that's really what we're looking at right now. And I think it makes a mockery of our justice system to think that you would have somebody like him who has predetermined our fates. I mean, he's already said he intends to imprison us.

But it's very hard for him to be specific about the illegal conduct that he believes that we've committed. And can you imagine every time that he has a perceived political enemy, for him to use the authority of the state and the authority of the Department of Attorney General to go after his opponents. It's terrifying. And it also just feels like pure projection. And that's what the Republican Party has become. Everything that they accuse Democrats of, they are actually doing. And I want to talk specifically about this massive signature forging operation that actually happened in Michigan. And ironically, 20,000 signatures on the GOP-led voter fraud petition were deemed fraudulent. Five GOP candidates for governor in Michigan were deemed ineligible because their petitions

were filed and filled with fraudulent signatures. Now, is there going to be accountability for this fraud? And what does this tell you about the Republican Party right now? Well, let me say this, Jordi. So we have multiple election fraud related investigations that are ongoing. And if I could just sort of recount some of them. So we have the false slate of electors investigation that we refer to the feds, but we still have that in our office as well. And it can be charged both in state court and federal court. All Republicans involved

in that. We have the case that you just talked about in terms of signature fraud, five Republican candidates who turned in what appear to be fraudulent signatures, thousands and thousands of them. This is entirely involving Republicans. I'm not saying that those gubernatorial candidates knew specifically about the fraud, but it did involve their signature petitions. We have an ongoing case that involves the alleged transfer of election equipment tabulators from the hands of Republican clerks to third, and an attempt apparently to manipulate them. All Republicans involved in that set of circumstances. We have an investigation we talked about previously involving the former Republican Speaker of the House, and not just

allegations of sexual assault, but also of campaign finance irregularities. We have another investigation that involves the current Senate majority leader and allegations of campaign finance related irregularities. The thing that all of these cases have in common, it's not just that they involve Republicans, but they were referred to my department for investigation almost exclusively by other Republicans. These aren't people that I went after as Attorney General and said, I'm going to, you know, these are, you know, political opponents of mine, and I'd like to see them fail, so I'm going to investigate. These are referrals from other Republicans to my department to investigate, not to mention the one that we talked about earlier, of course, involving my opponent, that case being referred by four Republicans who were on the state Senate Oversight Committee. So all I can say is the people who complain loudest about there

being election fraud or a lack of integrity in our system of elections are the ones out there who have these allegations of election fraud. I have yet to see a case that involves Democrats engaging in election fraud, with the exception of a few minor cases that I have charged. I did charge the Southfield City Clerk, who was a Democrat before the 2020 election involving some improprieties during the 2018 election. The Deputy Clerk in Genesee County, there's an allegation of her doing something. So there are some that involve some minor allegations, but they've been charged too. I mean, I will charge anybody, Republican or Democrat, who engages in any kind of election fraud, but the very widespread systemic types

of issues that have the ability to undermine an entire election. You know, these are these are cases that that primarily involve Republicans. And so to me, the way that I see it is, you know, we believe that there is election fraud going on in Michigan. And how are we going to prove it by engaging in election fraud just to prove to you that it can be that's like saying to somebody, by the way, I think the banks are not safe and secure and can be robbed. And I'm going to prove it to you that it can be. That's like saying to somebody, by the way, I think that banks are not safe and secure and can be robbed. And I'm going to prove it to you by robbing some banks. You're so right. I mean, the Republican Party is just so lawless. You're going to do and you do the job without, you know, if someone has a D next to their name or an R next name, you don't care.

You're going to do the job regardless. And you clearly have facts that back that up. And now I just want to go back to where we first sort of started this interview. And I want to wish all of our listeners a happy Pride Month. Now, many of our listeners may not know, but you played a key role in the 2015 Supreme Court case that legalized marriage equality. So bringing us back to where we started, what are your thoughts when you see Republican candidates who want to go backwards, who are making the LGBTQ community just a target right now? Yeah, honestly, it's a crushing blow. I mean, I remember what we call Decision Day from 2015. It's when the Obergefell-Bihage decision came down. Part of that, it was the consolidation of a number of cases from the Sixth Circuit. So those were cases from Michigan, Ohio,

Kentucky, and Tennessee. And even though it's titled Obergefell, who was the Ohio plaintiff in that case, I think if you read the case, the most significant part of it really is the DeBoer-Rouse family. So those were our clients who were a same-sex couple. They had adopted five children from foster care, and were trying to get legal rights to marry so that they could jointly adopt those children, because in Michigan, you have to be married. You have to be a married couple in order to jointly adopt. And we actually tried that case in 2014. It was only the third time in American history that, you know, the issue of marriage equality was put to a test and put to trial. And we won at trial. And I actually beat the Michigan attorney general who that's who my case was against. And and now there's a giant pride flag in the lobby of the Department of Attorney General.

So sometimes things go full circle. But that being the case, I had really thought, well, this is going to be the beginning of the end of anti-LGBTQ discrimination, right? And in fact, I just argued a case myself personally in March 2nd before the Michigan Supreme Court that would allow our state civil rights act to include sexual orientation and gender identity. But as hard as some of us in government are trying to do what the vast majority of the public here in Michigan would like to see, which is full equality under every law for LGBTQ people, I don't know, the Republicans just can't let it go.

They can't just accept the fact that if you look at Generation Z, I mean, you're talking about over 90% of this population, this very large population who doesn't see anything wrong with a person identifying as LGBTQ. Many of them do. Far more anymore, you know, kids that are in Generation Z than people who were in my generation, Generation X. So, I mean, they're really trying to pull us backwards, and they just can't accept the fact that, you know, most people want full equality. And the numbers are startling. When I tried that case in 2014, I think we were above 50% of people in America who wanted to see marriage equality, but we're now well over 70%. So what's happened in the intervening seven years since that decision came down, seven years this month, is that people have said, wow,

all these same-sex couples have married. And like California and New York didn't fall into the ocean. And my life didn't get worse because my neighbor or that nice couple whose son plays with my son on the school soccer team. Nothing terrible happened because those people were able to marry. So the vast majority of the public wants to see laws that allow for things like same-sex marriage or allow for LGBTQ people to be covered under our state civil rights act or our state hate crimes act. They want to see that. But for that small minority of Republicans, they still want to turn this community into, they just want to demonize us. And I think that's why it's so important that people like myself and like other people who are

representatives of the community run for office the same way we should have representatives from every community in our state, in our country, so we can push back and say, hey, we're here. We are members of this state. We're residents here. We care about the same things you care about. We care about good education for our kids and having clean water and good infrastructure. And we care about climate change. We care about all the things that make our state and our country a better place to live. And you're not going to use us as an excuse as to why we can't have a better state to live in and a better country to live in. We are not your problem, but working together, we can be part of the solution.

And Attorney General, not only do you talk the talk, but you walk the walk. I mean, you mentioned it, which I want our listeners and viewers to pick up on, you actually argue these cases yourself. And you are a trial lawyer is your background. And that's not a normal thing for people listening and watching. The attorney general often isn't the person who actually does oral arguments and go into court and do it. It's usually delegated to deputies. I mean, sometimes, but you still love going into court. Yeah, I do. And I think it's important sometimes that people see my face and know that these aren't just talking points like these are these are issues that are critically important to me as the office holder.

And yeah, I miss being in court. You know, I I like the the attorney part of being attorney general more than the politician part. And I think it's dangerous sometimes when you have people who have never really practiced law, and now they are the top lawyer for the state of Michigan. Because when it comes to things like legal theories, and making certain arguments, and even the laws of civil and criminal procedure. I feel like for a lot of these things, if you were just a politician, but you didn't know the rules of evidence and you didn't actually know the court rules, I don't think you'd be very good at this job, honestly. And the same way when someone runs for, and I'll give you an example, you know, our governor, before she

became governor of Michigan, she was the minority leader in the state Senate. She was there for eight years. Before that, Governor Whitmer was in the state House of Representatives for six years. So she was somebody who really had a lot of experience with state government. So by the time she became governor, she understood critically, like, how do you how does the budget process come about? She didn't come from some outside place where she had no idea how to do that. This is the thing that we talk about a lot, is that when we say, oh, all politicians are bad.

And so we want to elect people who have no experience. It comes back to the same thing. If you're talking about a dentist or your doctor or a CPA, we don't want people who have literally no experience in the field that they're now practicing. So I think I'm a better attorney general because I spent the first 25 years of my career as an attorney. And I think that goes for a lot of different positions. And it's why I think we're really having a problem in our state government right now, because we have these very draconian term limits, which means we recycle people very, very quickly. So

no one can actually become an expert in the thing that they're doing. And I understand, yeah, maybe you don't want to have people in office that are so long that it feels like they're sort of immune from being ousted in an election because people are just going to go based on name recognition. But now we have a whole bunch of people there that by the time they become Speaker of the House of Representatives in Michigan, which is arguably the second most, you know, critical position in our state with the most authority, they just learned where the bathroom was. I mean, they've only been there for four years and now they're the Speaker of the House. And I, you know, where there's an effort underway by both Republicans and Democrats to extend term limits because we think that is so dangerous and it creates a culture of people who are uninformed and will never be held accountable for their actions because they're not going to be there long enough.

But yeah, I still think of myself as an attorney and I still like to practice as an attorney, even as attorney general. We appreciate you coming on the show, Attorney General Nessel. We hope you come back before the election and we appreciate you so much and everything you're doing for the state of Michigan and this country. Well, thanks for your amazing podcast. And thanks for letting people who hold down ballot seats like mine to be able to talk about the importance of our offices. It makes a real difference. And you know what? There's a big audience out there of people who want to hear from people like you, who the mainstream media and other media just aren't

having in-depth conversations. And I think that is a major problem that we're having in the country is presenting political discourse requires more than a talking point here or there, requires these real serious conversations like the ones we've had today. And what I found is that people crave this. People love to have attorney generals like you on really explaining the issues that matter to them. That's what they're searching for right now. And so it's really appreciated. Yeah, attorneys general,

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