The MeidasTouch Podcast - BREAKING: DONALD TRUMP INDICTED IN NEW YORK

Episode Date: March 31, 2023

Donald Trump has been criminally indicted by a Manhattan Grand Jury. This is a special edition of the MeidasTouch Podcast with an all-star panel including Ben, Brett & Jordy, former top prosecutor at the Manhattan DA and Legal AF host Karen Friedman Agnifilo, Legal AF host and renowned attorney Michael Popok, attorney Dina Doll, and Lights On host Jessica Denson. Thanks to our sponsor HoldOn Bags: Visit https://holdonbags.com/meidas to save 20% off your order. Shop Meidas Merch at: https://store.meidastouch.com Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/meidastouch Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://pod.link/1510240831 Legal AF: https://pod.link/1580828595 The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://pod.link/1595408601 The Influence Continuum: https://pod.link/1603773245 Kremlin File: https://pod.link/1575837599 Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://pod.link/1530639447 The Weekend Show: https://pod.link/1612691018 The Tony Michaels Podcast: https://pod.link/1561049560 American Psyop: https://pod.link/1652143101 Majority 54: https://pod.link/1309354521 Political Beatdown: https://pod.link/1669634407 Lights On with Jessica Denson: https://pod.link/1676844320 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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charge bet mgm operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming ontario i'm ben mycellus from the Midas touch network and this is a breaking news alert the manh Manhattan grand jury has voted to criminally indict Donald Trump. This is the first time in American history where a president, a former president, a disgraced, traitorous, fascist wannabe former president has been criminally indicted. This process we have been covering here at the Midas Touch Network for some time. We've been keeping you updated. The Manhattan District Attorney's Office itself has not made any official statements. There are multiple reports, though, of sources with very, very, very close contacts with the grand jury sufficient for us to confirm here on the Midas Touch Network that the grand jury did indeed take a vote to indict Donald Trump. That Donald Trump has indeed been criminally indicted. We expect the Manhattan District Attorney to make an

announcement at some point in the next few days about the criminal indictment. And so the process that we will be waiting for, and we will be speaking with experts here over the course of this coverage today is for Donald Trump ultimately to surrender himself, for him to be booked, for him to have his mugshot taken, and for the normal processes that take place in a criminal indictment to take place here. Now, we've been covering over the past few weeks as we have been on Indictment Watch the vicious and vile threats that Donald Trump has made to the Manhattan District Attorney, Alvin Bragg. The wheels of justice have not been deterred by these threats. The wheels of justice continued. We reported earlier in the week that David Pecker testified on Monday again before the Manhattan grand jury. He is the former chairman and CEO of the National Enquirer who participated in the catch and kill schemes whereby Donald Trump would use the

inquirer to try to locate individuals who were either the victims of Donald Trump or who were the subject of Donald Trump's despicable sexual advances. And they would catch the stories. They would try to buy the rights to the stories. They would then try to kill the stories so that people could not talk about the stories. And so, Pecker testified again on Monday, and we had been talking about here at the Midas Touch Network that this was particularly a Monday and Wednesday afternoon grand jury. It didn't mean, given the unprecedented nature, however, that a vote couldn't have been taken at another time. But we are now learning March 30th, 2023. Mark that on your calendar because this is a historic day.

This is an important day for the health of our democracy, by the way, was on the Midas Touch Network. Karen Friedman Agnifilo, the former number two who had worked at the Manhattan District Attorney's office in the capacity as the former number two there for 30 years, interviewed the Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg. And I remember seeing some of the comments that were being directed at Alvin Bragg. And it made me quite upset. And also understanding, though, where the comments were coming from when there was kind of hate and disinformation that was out there. The large media networks and, of course, the right-wing disinformation echo chambers out there were frankly spreading lies this entire time about the process that was taking place, about the steps

that were being taken by the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. And our approach here at the Midas Touch Network was to not follow just these narratives out there and the prevailing narrative. Right. You remember it. Alvin Bragg is weak. The Manhattan district attorney's office is incredibly weak. They they they're in Trump's pocket, this, that and the other. And what we would say here is, look, we certainly understand that this has taken far more time than any of us would want. Any day that Donald Trump is not brought to justice is a dark day for our justice system to have someone like him that so despicably mocks our incredible legal system here at the Midas Touch Network. And I'm so honored to have Karen Friedman Agnifilo here, someone who was here at the very beginning. Of course, we have my brothers here as well, but we will be having Karen Friedman

Agnifilo on very, very, very soon to share with you her insights because we've had her on. I, of course, host the show Political Beatdown with Michael Cohen. So I'll just say this about the Midas Touch Network. We have Michael Cohen, who's obviously a critical witness in the underlying criminal investigation who could provide enough information that he's allowed to talk about. But of course, there were areas that he couldn't go into. And we had Karen Friedman Agnifilo, the person who was actually the former acting Manhattan District Attorney for many, many times in her tenure, who was the number two of the entire office, share with you that wisdom. And so I do hope that all of you appreciated our approach

here. And of course, the great wisdom of people like Michael Popak from Legal AF and from our whole cast of contributors here. But I hope you thought and now find that our data-based approach, because we said Manhattan District Attorney's Office will be the first to criminally indict by following the data the same way we've said the red wave narrative was complete bs follow the data follow the truth and make sure that ultimately we always always support our democracy brett and jordy great to have you here on this special edition of the midas Touch podcast. Of course, we normally go live at 5 Pacific, 8 Eastern, but I'm not going to miss this one. And I do want to say hello to the Midas

Mighty. What a historic, historic day that this is. But we also have an incredibly special guest who I do want to bring on the program. As Ben mentioned, we have Karen Friedman Agnifilo, who is the former Chief Assistant District Attorney at the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. Karen has been on top of the coverage this entire time, providing you with insights that only she can. And I am so, so thankful that she has lent her incredible voice to this network so that all of our viewers, all of our listeners can get the facts straight from the source. Karen, how you doing? Where are you? Hi. I don't know if you guys can hear me. Can you hear me okay?

Karen is in the car. I'm in a car and I apologize, but I didn't want to miss this opportunity. It's amazing. I'm wearing orange for the occasion. Because this is going to be at least, you know, for the orange jumpsuit for the future orange jumpsuit that he's going to be wearing or his skin. I can't tell which one why I'm wearing orange. But no, this is a really big deal that's happening right now. It's what we talked about on midweek legal AF last night. We said that there was a possibility still that the grand jury, everyone was saying, no, it's going to be a hiatus. And we said, but there's still two days before they start to go out. There was today and Monday. And people were saying, oh, you know, you keep predicting, you keep saying this, and we're tired of hearing it. Well, here we are. And he has been indicted. And I guess once they negotiate a surrender, we will hear much more from him. And we will hear from him what he has to say. We're not going to hear a lot from Alvin Bragg, it is secret and it is the grand jury by law is secret.

And also by law, the fact that there is an indictment is sealed until he is arraigned in front of a court. But we all know that he is somebody who likes to tell people stuff that, you know, may or may not be true, but it's looking like he has been indicted by the grand jury. That means 23 people who heard all of the evidence in this case, including evidence that he asked to be put on by Robert Costello to refute Michael Cohen and his longtime ally, David Pecker, from American Media Inc., he has absolutely been, they've all been absolutely vindicated. And it means that the grand jury felt that they were believable, that there was sufficient evidence that he, to prove that he committed a crime, that he not only falsified business records in the hush money payments when he tried to influence the election by paying both Stormy Daniels,

and now we're hearing Karen McDougal. That has been part of the grand jury presentation, that these were all efforts on his part to influence the election improperly and illegally. And so there's been lots of commentary about how this isn't a strong case, about how there's not enough evidence, et cetera. But what this tells me is that 23 people, 23 normal people who are selected at random, you don't get to voir dire them. You don't get to ask them questions. You don't get to pick and choose and try to spin. It's the 23 people who are available and chosen at random decided that there is enough evidence to charge for the first time in American history, Donald Trump with a crime. So this is a historic day. And when we see the indictment or we know exactly what the charges are, we'll be able to

talk much more about it. But in the meantime, he's been indicted. As I said, it's sealed and we might not know the details until he surrenders and he is arraigned. And Karen, because it's sealed, and first off, thank you for allowing us to be in the car with you and we get to speak with you first before you do the rounds that you're about to do. I'm on my way to see him. They're going to do my hair and makeup, so I'll look much better than I look right now. You look absolutely incredible. More people are watching on here anyway, Karen. I don't even care. I don't know why they do it. But anyway, go on. So very quickly, though, knowing that it's sealed, does Trump get to see this indictment that it's sealed? Does he know what's in it as of this point surrenders and he is arrested. He will be told what the charges are and the rest processing will happen. He'll be fingerprinted. He'll be

photographed. Those fingerprints get sent up to Albany, New York, which is where the headquarters are, where they keep all the repository for rap sheets and criminal records. So he will have a rap sheet like everybody else. He will have a NYSID number. That's a New York State ID number that every person charged with a crime in New York gets. And he may even be handcuffed. Who knows? And he might even be read his Miranda warnings. We just don't know. But he will be processed and arrested like anybody else. And he'll be brought before the court. And that's where he will actually get to know exactly what the charges are, because he will be arraigned on them. So if he puts out any disinformation about the charges or this or that now,

everybody should know that he doesn't even know the charges. He will find out when he gets when he surrenders, when he gets arrested. And right now, the district attorney's office is likely negotiating that with Trump. Is that what you think is going on? Absolutely. With Trump, with law enforcement. I mean, the way I think everybody found out about this is there were reports that law enforcement was beefing up security. And so that tells me that it they had to be told because of security reasons, because as soon as you start to make arrangements, remember, this is what we've been saying all along, is that we think that the reason

this is happening this way, it's delayed is because of the security concerns that he's going to pose. So one of the first things they are going to do, in addition to telling Donald Trump, because they need to negotiate a surrender, is to tell law enforcement, so law enforcement can make arrangements to keep everybody safe, keep him safe, because he's so, you know, he drums up so much trouble. You know, he, I think it was this morning or yesterday, I can't remember now, he did an all caps message to the grand jury in a last ditch effort to try and convince them, you know, after he bullied them and called everybody names and threatened everybody

and put a baseball bat by Alvin Bragg's head and called for death and destruction, I think he realized, oh, no, there's 23 people who are about to who have my fate in in their hands. And so he puts up that that that that truth social post that you just said to try and, I guess, convince them not to do what they just did. And before you go on CNN and these other networks, any final words to the Midas Mighty? Look, they've all got to know you through the Legal AF podcast that you co-host with myself and Michael Popock. And you've been following the data. You had Alvin Bragg on a one-on-one interview a few

months back, and you've been keeping everybody informed before the CNNs and the MSNBCs and everybody else has been now finally saying, oh, she probably knows something. It was obvious that you did. You led the office. You've had one of the most accomplished legal careers of anybody out there we so admire everything that you do here and it's been incredible for the Midas mighty to get to know you so before you you head out any kind of final words to the Midas mighty about the historical significance of this day and perhaps what they should be looking out for in the days to come. Yeah. So thank you for those extremely kind words. And I really appreciate it. And I really appreciate the patience, you know, everybody's had. People were frustrated. They thought that

my interview with Alvin Bragg, a lot of the comments were, you know, you're throwing him softballs. Why aren't you asking him harder questions? And that's because I trust the Manhattan DA's office. I worked there. I know the people who work there and they have integrity. And if they say that a case is open and that we are doing an investigation and we are working on a case and they mean it. And so I actually, I don't trust blindly everybody,

but I know that off. I appreciate the patience everyone has about that, about the fact that we were saying, even though everyone's saying, oh, it's a hiatus, it's a hiatus. And we said, well, we think it could be Thursday or Monday. And everyone said, stop saying that. We're sick of hearing it. And I get it. I was sick of saying it. I really was. I was starting to question my own self and be like, oh, God, I better stop saying it. But you know what? Here we are.

And it's a momentous day. It's an important day. And honestly, the Midas Mighty are, first and foremost, the people who are the wind beneath our wings. They keep us going. And I love when Popak screenshots all the nice comments and sends it to us. Because honestly, we all work hard, you guys work really hard, you know, but we all put a lot of time into all this. And, you know, sometimes, you know, we do it because it's like

a passion project. We do it because it's a public service. You know, you guys started this movement. The fact that you reached over a million followers is just unbelievable. You know, the three brothers, like sitting in a a in a garage somewhere, you know, create this thing that is now it's a movement, you know, and, and the fact that we've been able to get them on these, you know, these, these networks, I've been talking about the Midas touch network, and it's been talking about legal AF, like, it's, it's amazing, it's legitimate. And you know what,

what happened today, and the fact that he's been indicted, it means that all the, all of the, you know, the Midas Mighty and all the people who have seen the truth and have been waiting for this, the day is here, right? It's finally here. And sometimes, you know, you can't just say, for example, the Presidential Records Act says that I can keep my records when it says the opposite right you can't say i'm innocent when i'm guilty so right it's it's kind of gaslighting and it starts to make you question yourself and and i think this is just really validating for all of us that that you know it's it's actually finally here so i have to go but thank you for having me. Karen Friedman Agnifilo, thank you so much for your time. It was great to have you. Pull up that post that Donald Trump made on his social media platform as

we bring on Michael Popak, host of Legal AF. And let me read for you what Donald Trump posted. Just the other day, he goes, I have gained such respect for this grand jury and perhaps even the grand jury system as a whole. The evidence is so overwhelming in my favor and so ridiculously bad for the highly partisan and hateful district attorney that the grand jury is saying, hold on, we are not a rubber stamp, which most grand juries are branded as being. We are not going to vote against a preponderance of evidence or against large numbers of legal scholars all saying there is no case here. Drop this six witch hunt now. You know, and I say when you read this, it reads like an abuser, like that's an abuser's mindset, right? You're right. Yeah. And I want to specify also, like,

I want everybody to look at that as an example of the gaslighting in general that we see from Trump and that we see from Magarold. They try to flood the airwaves, or in this case, the metaphorical airwaves with BS, with just flat out lies. And they do it because a guy like Donald Trump believes that he can bend reality to his will. And it's incredibly effective oftentimes. And he gets you nervous, right? I'm sure a lot of people read his things. I saw articles written on legitimate publications saying, oh, well, Donald Trump is saying that they disbanded the grand jury and they're not going to vote in an indictment. You cannot take this guy's word for everything.

And extending off that, you cannot take the word of those trying to defend him for anything. All of these Republicans with these weaponization committees, the Jim Jordans, the Kevin McCarthy's, they are all in on the same kind of gaslighting method. And, you know, I know a lot of pundits and stuff will probably come on TV over the next 24 hours and they'll say something like, you know, folks, this is a sad day for the United States of America. A sitting president was indicted. I'm not going to say that. And we're not going to say that here at the Midas Touch Network. On the contrary, I think this is a day of celebration.

This is a joyous day for the United States of America. Finally, finally, finally, finally, we are seeing a little bit of justice in this country. Finally, we see a little glimmer that every person is equal under the law. And I think that is a beautiful thing. And here is to many more indictments on the way. This is just the first step of many, but it tells you along the way, we have to be grounded not by emotion, but by the data. And this applied when we were back in the 2020 election and we were looking at the data and we saw that Biden would have enough votes when the remainder of the votes were counted to be president. And everybody pushed back on us saying, but Trump's in the lead and he says he's going to win. And we said, sit tight. That's not what the data says. Or in the supposed red wave of 2022, same thing. You have to be grounded

by the data. And I want to thank the Midas Mighty for keeping the faith and not the faith, for just keeping focused on that data and understanding exactly what is going on. Michael Popak in the building. I just want to toss it over to Jay, to Jordy. Jordy hasn't gotten a chance to speak. Jordy, how are you feeling today? Just real quick. I'm feeling great. I just want to piggyback on what you were saying there, Brett, especially if you're new to the channel right now watching us for the first time. Look, it's not that we want Trump to be indicted because we don't agree with him politically. That's not the reason. We want him to be indicted because he's a criminal.

So this announcement today, it's a win for the rule of law and justice. This is a historic day. And Brett, that's exactly why. We're not going to say, oh, this is a bad day. No, a criminal got indicted. That's exactly what happened today. You know, it's funny because I suggested, just to go off topic for a second, I suggested on the Midas Touch podcast that we did earlier in the week that I was telling everybody

I was on a haircut hiatus until the indictment happened because I was worried about getting the haircut and the indictment happening during it. But I said, watch, what if I get my haircut? That means he will get indicted right after that. Well, folks, I think that's exactly, I'm not saying- Big bro. We could get on Michael Popock. Michael Popock, you've been with, host of Legal AF, you've been providing just facts to the Midas Mighty now that this historic announcement has been made. Your reaction? First of all, thank God I've been working closely with Karen for the last two years because she's a tough act to follow. I'd rather just run alongside her, which we've done. And what a great addition to our show. So we broke a streak. America has broken a

streak, 90,155 days of not having an indicted president. It ends today, we'll have to restart that counter because finally, as we've predicted on Legal AF for a while, the first part of justice, many wheels of justice are running at the same time. The one in New York, Jack Smith's, Fawnie Willis, the ones that we know about, and all the permutations of that. If we had thought that Alvin Bragg was going to jump to the lead and be the first person to indict, maybe we thought that in January when he impaneled a grand jury, but probably not before other than Karen Freeman-Ignifilo telling us to keep the faith. I've got a lot of pride in the office

that I used to work in, and I think they'll get around to it. 2020, Ben, we told our audience, whatever size it was, that that was the year of watching and analyzing. And we said in 2021 and 2022 would be the year of investigating. And 2023 would be the year of investigating. And 2023 would be the year of indictment. And into 2024, conviction. Because that's how the wheels of justice roll. And so now we have the evidence today that when facts are presented to a grand jury, that it sits and methodically goes through

nine witnesses, I'm sure hundreds, if not thousands of pages of evidence, recalls witnesses that they want to hear from, maybe even expands the investigation to not just be Stormy Daniels, but be the broader catch and kill program that was conducted, orchestrated, first by David Pecker of the National Enquirer, and then latched onto by Donald Trump, Kellyanne Conway, and Michael Cohen at that time, that Michael Cohen, not today's Michael Cohen. That seems to be the broader investigation.

So Karen McDougal, the first one to get a large payment from Donald Trump of $150,000 directly. Then Allen Weisselberg's involvement with all that. We'll talk about Allen Weisselberg in a minute. So if you've got that, that being presented to the jury, what we know today, because again, everything's secret and everything's sealed, but it's a felony. That's what the reporting is. So we know that Alvin Bragg and his team were able to figure out how to put an elephant through the eye of a needle and come up with to the grand jury, who got really comfortable with the evidence and decided despite all of the attacks on them and their integrity by Donald Trump, that in his social media trying to pierce that hermetically sealed secret grand jury that's supposed to be protected, that their deliberations are supposed to be protected, that that didn't work.

In fact, as most of his social media does, it backfired. Because if you're sitting in that room, and you're one of the 23 New Yorkers who have been selected for that grand jury, and you're taking your job seriously, which obviously they had and they are, then those kind of attacks on you only galvanizes the grand jury and makes them want to work harder and push back against the person that thinks so little of them that he thinks he can command them what to do and threaten them with his social media. It often backfires. Ben, you and I have covered how many cases where something that Donald Trump has said

in a speech, in social media, at a rally has been used against him by a judge in making a ruling and here by a grand jury. It may not have been the reason that they indicted on a felony, but it certainly didn't help matters. He should have been quiet. He should have been respectful, but that's not Donald Trump. I just described somebody that's not Donald Trump. So we have the indictment. Karen has outlined it beautifully what the next steps are going to be. I believe he's going to get Mirandized, just like any other common criminal that's picked up in New York.

He'll be read as Miranda Rights. He'll be fingerprinted, as Karen said. He may or may not be in handcuffs. We may or may not see that. But he's going to go to the bottom of the courthouse, just like anybody else. There's no special chamber for former presidents who are treated with kit gloves and given some other, you know, there's no fast pass like at Disney. He's going in the way everybody goes in, fingerprinted, mugshot, given the number, the identification number that

Karen talked about, and then he's going to be brought back up and he's going to be arraigned. Now, he's going to go out the wooden doors of the courthouse at the end, though, just to manage expectations. He's going to be released on his own recognizance. He may have to put up a bond, but he's going to walk out that day. And then we know what's going to happen next, and maybe we'll be down there. Maybe Karen and Al head down there. He's going to be out in front of the steps of the courthouse,

and he's going to have some sort of prepared speech before they put him and the Secret Service puts him into a black SUV and takes him away. So that's going to happen soon as Karen reported, and we've all seen, they're beefing up security down there now. And as Karen accurately predicted last night on the midweek edition of Legal AF. She was the lone voice out there among all the talking heads that I've watched on all the major news networks to say, listen, just because they're going on a pre-scheduled hiatus for the holidays and childcare purposes, it doesn't mean that they can't also, before they go away next week,

can't vote this week. away next week, can't vote this week. And we went back and forth on that last night. And I was like, that's so right. They're going in today. Why can't they vote? Karen said it takes 60 minutes or less. Think about that, guys. 60 minutes or less for a prosecutor to present his case to the grand jury at the end and ask for the return of the indictment. That's all it takes. And so that's all it took. And now, finally, I mean, I was rubbing my eyes when you guys were texting about what was just reported, and we're trying to jump

online at the same time. It is hard to believe. And we're not thrilled because it's great for the Midas Touch Network. We're thrilled because finally justice is being done. He's being brought to justice for this. And now, let's be frank, it does help Fonny Willis. It does help Jack Smith. One, they get intel. They're watching the reaction of Donald Trump now that he's trapped like in a bear trap, how he squeals and reacts. And that'll be new evidence in their case. So they're watching. So Alvin Bragg gets the benefit in history for being the first prosecutor to indict a former president. But the other prosecutors get the benefits of drafting behind Alvin Bragg and seeing the reaction of Donald Trump

and those around him and then recalibrating their approach. I don't know if it speeds up Fonny Willis, who has a grand jury of her own, likely in May, her regular grand jury. I don't know if it speeds up Jack Smith, who looks like he's awful close, maybe in Mar-a-Lago and in the other one, but it is helping them. They are watching. The world is

watching and the other prosecutors are watching. And Popak, speaking of the world is watching, this is currently the number one stream on YouTube in the entire world more people are watching this stream and our coverage right now than fox then cnn then msnbc then ap than any other news network in the entire world the number one stream on youtube and so i will remind everybody watching if you're not subscribed to the midas touch network on YouTube, it's free to subscribe. So please hit the subscribe button. We just passed 1 million subscribers. We're on our way to 1.5 million subscribers.

So please make sure to hit the subscribe button right now. More breaking news to report. We just got a statement from Michael Cohen that I'd like to read for everyone. Michael Cohen is my co-host on Political Beatdown that we do live every Tuesday and Thursday. We did a live Political Beatdown earlier in the day before this historic news that the Manhattan grand jury criminally indicted Donald Trump. But let's pull up Michael Cohen's statement that we just received. He says, for the first time in our country's history, a president, current or former, of the United States has been indicted. I take no pride in issuing this statement and wish to also

remind everyone of the presumption of innocence as provided by the due process clause. However, I do take solace in validating the adage that no one is above the law, not even a former president. Today's indictment is not the end of this chapter, but rather just the beginning. Now that the charges have been filed, it is better for the case to let the indictment speak for itself. The two things I wish to say at this time is that accountability matters. And I stand by my testimony and evidence that I provided to the district attorney of New York, Michael Popak. What do you think of Michael Cohen's statement right there? I'm so proud to have Michael be with us, with you on Political beatdown and otherwise, who would have thought when the decision was made to

have him and his decision to join this movement of yours, that he would be really, as I called him on the Legal AF podcast a couple nights ago, the bride at the wedding and the body at the funeral, probably the most important other than David Becker, witness against the president, witness for the prosecution, witness for the prosecution, as we like to say. There's no greater one than Michael Cohen. And so eloquently put, both a combination of historical resonance and presence in his statement, and even, you know, a concession of his own role in it, that he takes no special pleasure in it. But he didn't pick being a witness in a case like this. Donald Trump picked who the witnesses would be. Donald Trump

picked who his insiders would be and what underhanded deeds he would have them do at various times. So for Donald Trump to say, Michael Cohen is this or Michael Cohen is that. Michael Cohen is who Donald Trump chose at that moment in time to be his inside man and to handle all sorts of dirty tricks like paying off women who had sex with Donald Trump and were going to go public with it at the moment that it would have derailed his campaign and given new life depending upon when it would have happened to Hillary Clinton at that moment. They were beating her up mercilessly about Benghazi, about her email server. Who cares? Look at all the payoffs, criminal payoffs and cover-ups that Donald Trump was involved with that the voters should have known about when they were making their choice for who they wanted to be in the Oval Office. So kudos to

Michael Cohen for hanging in there. And kudos to Alvin Bragg, who look, there's been reporting that at the beginning of his tenure, and I don't know if this is true or not, maybe you can ask Michael Cohen one day what he thinks. But there is reporting that Alvin Bragg made a comment that he would never prosecute a case where Michael Cohen was the lead witness. Because at the beginning of his tenure, he just had so much baggage in Alvin Bragg's mind, if that comment is true. But Michael Cohen, to his credit, in meeting with that office as many times as he did, turned that office around about the power of him as a witness, and the credibility of him as a witness, because I'm sure in the

investigation, they got seven or eight other people to corroborate key moments in Michael Cohen's timeline that bolstered Michael Cohen's testimony. And you can't do the case without him. I mean, you can't. Michael Cohen has to be there. He's the bag man for the payment. He gets reimbursed. He's there for the David Pecker meeting when they designed the whole Catch and Kill program. He's telling the campaign, which is Kellyanne Conway, what happened. You can't do it without him. So everything that bolstered him, David Pecker saying, yes, I met with Michael Cohen, and Kellyanne Conway testifying, I assume that she met with David Pecker and Michael Cohen and all of that. So, yeah, really, really great. And the New York Post, which is a Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper that's been going after Donald Trump lately.

I mean, look, Murdoch's not covered in glory, the opposite, especially the way Fox News works. But the New York Post has got its knives out right now for Donald Trump. They posted an article, I don't know if we can get it up in time, just now with this very, you know, you'll see the photo of him and Stormy Daniels next to each other. And I don't want to say they're taking special glee in reporting the indictment, but they don't seem to be too upset about the Trump indicted headline on the front page of the New York Post right now. Well, I can tell you this is what just went down on Fox. I think there was you actually hear audible gasps when the announcement was made that the Manhattan grand jury was criminally indicting here. Let's play that video. He's he is an OG, right? I mean, he is a badass.

If he's got a mugshot, you might as well go right into it. And the thing is, you know, his poll numbers have gone up with this. I just think this is good to make sure he is going to be on the ticket. That's what that's their way of trying to spin it. I think there's another clip of showing the audible gasps. If if we have that one we have just gotten word former president donald trump has been indicted by a grand jury in new york trump was under investigation by the da's office for his alleged hush money payment to

adult film star stormy daniels during the 2016 campaign oh that's so bad right what about uh do we have the jesse waters clip too brett yeah let's play that let's go that way this cannot stand i actually agree with jessica this doesn't feel right something feels terrible you're in a cult yeah right you are in a cult by the way brothers who's the one in the earlier clip that you think went hmm it was just like this very somebody we're gonna track that down we're gonna we're gonna do an audio analysis somebody fox was not that plussed by the whole indictment let's be real we know from the behind the scenes text messages revealed in the dominion lawsuit against fox we know from the text messages we've

seen from republican politicians throughout the january 6th committee hearings we know what most of this republican party actually feels the politicians the ones with the power we know what they actually feel about donald trump and while they try to put on a supportive face on TV and act like they are full-blown cult members, many of these people, I'm not saying all of them, but many of them are just con artists themselves and are trying to ride Trump's coattails and grift off Trump while they still can and get as much power as they can by placating Donald Trump's base, whom they are absolutely terrified of. And they've also, as we've said on the show multiple times, they've created their own information apparatus, apparati, across social media, across TV, across radio, where they are

continuing to, they first generate fake stories about what's happening. Then it goes through, it gets laundered through this cycle. And with Murdoch specifically, think about how many properties Murdoch owns. He has the Wall Street Journal when he wants to dress up a little nicer. He's got the New York Post when he wants a little tabloidy flair. He could throw things to TMZ when he wants things to hit a celebrity angle. They could do all that, anything that he wants in that angle, but it keeps going through this laundered disinformation echo chamber so much that ultimately it comes back to somebody like a Jesse Waters. And I think some of them end up

drinking their own Kool-Aid. They're getting high off their own supply here. And so they've been telling their viewers over the past week that this case is dead. It's over. Look, they're going on vacation. Look, that's it. And clearly, if you looked at the data, that wasn't the case. And we all know right now, by seeing that an indictment actually has been issued, that they are once again living in a disinformation echo chamber. And now what are they going to do next?

You could guess. Are they going to leave Trump? Would not count on it. All these people are going to double down, triple down on their support behind Trump until or after they're behind bars, if it means saving a few of those votes. Because we are very intent on not pushing a narrative here, especially on Legal AF, about what's happening. We try to manage expectations when we're wrong. We'll say we're wrong when the facts lead us in a certain direction. And we think based on our judgment and our body of work, and we're generally right about it, we'll say that. Why do you think the Fox continues to want to mislead its viewers and not manage

expectations? I get they think that news cycles and short attention spans equal, they'll be able to get away with it. But why would you want to not, even if you think it's only a 5% chance that Donald Trump was going to be indicted this week, based on the way the grand jury was operating and moving and the little points of data that we were receiving. Why wouldn't you at least want to manage some expectations so the next day or the next hour, you didn't have to go on with egg on your face and say, Oh, my God, he was indicted. We're so surprised and shocked. Why? Because why? I think I know the answer. But I want to hear from you. For from my perspective, and as somebody who has, you know, worked in TV for many years,

really, the only thing that people in tv care about at the end of the day are ratings because the higher the ratings you get the higher you could covet advertisers you know the the higher rate you could charge advertisers and so i think they realized you know after january 6th that as we saw with the dominion filings the the behind the scenes communications once they started to actually tell the truth, the truth was kryptonite to the network and to the Fox News viewer. And all of a sudden, all these alternatives popped up at the same time that didn't care about truth at all. Fox, at that point, didn't care about truth either, but they at least tried to pretend like they were a little bit of a news organization. But they dropped the act at this point because the second

that they actually decided to report on the January 6th insurrection, honestly, they saw their viewership drop almost instantaneously. And Newsmax was the benefactor of that. You had Newsmax and OAN and Right Side Broadcasting Network and all these channels stealing their viewers. And you see in the Fox communications just how absolutely terrified they were of losing their viewers. So at that point as a network, you have, do we hold on to our integrity and try to explain this thoughtfully to our audience and hope that honesty wins the day and we will win them back? Or do we quickly reverse course and give them what they want? And frankly, what this audience wants is they want lies. They want to be fed lies. They want Donald Trump to be this infallible figure. They want him to be this larger than

life, untouchable guy who could do no wrong, who is actually taking on the deep state, who is actually defending the little guy. So they create this image and you see that reflected at the Trump rallies with their various sort of cultish behavior and all that things. In a normal world, you want to create content that has integrity, that could capture an audience, and that's the right way to go about things. But at Fox, they were just completely controlled by their audience and not the other way around. As I said to Jordy and Ben the other day, it's like the tail wagging dog here over at Fox. They're not truthfully in control over at Fox, despite the power that they have. Jordy, what are your thoughts? No, by the way, you said it perfectly there,

Brett. Fox created its own bubble, its own MAGA echo chamber. And they're forced to continue on with these lies because that's what their audience wants. The majority of the audience is out there. They don't want to be lied to. They don't want to be gaslit. Like if you look at Jesse Waters, oh no, this is a horrible, give that man a Razzie. I mean, he wasn't even good at acting that he was upset about this. It goes to show you, and when we talk about this from the network, about how much we love this community, the Midas Touch Network, it's because people are sick of being gaslit by legacy media. and they know that they can rely on us to just follow the facts and wherever those facts leads that's what we're going to tell we don't have a spin on this Network subscribe right now I mean this this is why Fox is imploding day by day

and and really this is why I love the Midas Touch community so much, because they come here for the truth. And that's what we're going to keep delivering for y'all. Popak. I have one follow up for Brett. I feel like I'm at a press conference. Mr. Maiselis, Mr. Maiselis, one follow up. Michael Popak, Legal AF, yes. How much do you think, based on today, Donald Trump is going to grift off of his cult followers with, you know, I mean, right now, as we scramble to get on the air and make a graphics package to make this look professional, which amazing how quickly Salty and Brett, you guys pulled this together. That's how quickly those around Donald Trump in

social media and fundraising world and MAGA Inc., his PAC, are using this as a fundraiser. He raised $500,000 a day two weeks ago when he said he was going to be arrested on Tuesday, right? The false flag announcement, the little fire alarm, you know, the fire drill, just to see how much he could raise. Now that he's really been indicted using that as the benchmark, how quickly do they send out these emails asking for cash and through Facebook? And how much do they raise per day? I think the he'll raise millions of dollars off of this. But, you know, what I've been saying for a while now is a lot of people kind of use that as an excuse to say, oh, well, maybe we shouldn't indict him. Drives me crazy.

Yeah. If you indict him, all that's going to happen is he's going to raise a whole bunch of money. He's definitely going to get the nomination in that case. He's going to be elected. He's going to be, yeah. He's going to be a martyr. And, you know, I think Jon Stewart actually said it best last week when he was on Fareed Zakaria's CNN show. And Fareed Zakaria raised those same questions. Well, aren't you concerned about him being a martyr? Aren't you concerned? And Jon Stewart essentially was like, well, I don't think we should take anything into account on prosecuting somebody. The rule of law should be the rule of law. And that's it. And I could not agree more.

So is Donald Trump going to raise probably millions of dollars, probably very quickly, probably multiple millions of dollars every single day over the next couple of days? I do think so. But at the same time, that's what he does. He's the King Grifter. That's his MO. And then somebody texted me before and they said, well, Donald Trump has a lock for the nomination now. It's a sure thing. He definitely has it. And I mean, yes, but he's had the lock on the nomination. As Ben likes to say on the show, MAGA is a cult. They were never going to not vote for the cult leader. That was never going to happen.

He lost by 7 million votes. Who in their right mind thinks he does better the second time around as an indicted candidate? Yeah, I want you to find me the cult. The cult who thinks that algorithms were secretly beamed from bunkers in Italy to Hugo Chavez's dead body, and then that beamed it to Dominion, and Dominion changed the results,

and then the backup paper ballots, yeah, they just imported bamboo from President Xi. The people who believe here's the problem though with that right the cult buys it hook line and sinker nobody else does and here is the catch-22 that the republican party finds themselves in or what I like to call it, the catch 45 of the Republican Party as a nod to Trump. They have to appease the cult. Fox has to appease the cult. The cult doesn't win elections. The cult may win primary elections, but as we've seen by and large with the Carrie Lakes, with the Donald Trumps, it is a disaster electorally when the cult gets their way. So will the cult be mad? Yes. But find me one persuadable American. Find me one persuadable

American who goes, well, I wasn't going to vote for that guy, but then he was arrested and was criminal and done. And then I decided, you know what? That guy should be president of the United States. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That does not exist. And to your point, Popak, Donald Trump has already released a statement. First, I just want to go back for a second and show everybody this New York Post cover that Popak was speaking about before in big red letters on the New York Post homepage right now. Trump indicted, as Popak said, they have that picture of Donald Trump and Stormy Daniels front and center on the New York Post. Remember, everything is a choice. Everything they do is a choice. And as we've seen from the Dominion filings,

they are choices that are approved or critiqued at the highest levels from Rupert Murdoch himself. So now let's head on over to the statement that Donald Trump just released. Let's see what craziness that he is speaking about. Here is Trump's statement statement by Donald Trump, who still thinks he's the president this is political persecution and election interference at the highest level in history from the time i came down the golden escalator at trump tower and even before i was sworn in as your president in the united states the radical left democrats the enemy of the hard-working men and women of this country have been engaged in a witch hunt to destroy the make America great again movement. You remember it just like I do. Russia, Russia, Russia, the Mueller hoax, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, impeachment hoax one, impeachment hoax two,

the illegal and unconstitutional Mar-a-Lago raid. And now this. See, Donald Trump's been doing this a lot lately. I'm just going to take an aside where he neatly lists out all of his crimes. I think it's going to be very helpful for prosecutors to be like, what else did he do again? Oh, yeah, the Russia, Russia, Russia, the documents. Okay, I could follow along with this, but let's pull back up the statement. Trump continues, the Democrats have lied, cheated, and stolen in their obsession with trying to, quote, get Trump, but now they've done the unthinkable, indicting a completely innocent person in an act of blatant election interference. And then he goes on to the next page. And I just want to say there, one of the only reasons that

I think he actually announced for president when he did, I'm not saying that he's not actually running. I do believe that he is running for the nomination, that he will win the nomination. But one of the reasons he announced so early is exactly so he could say that election interference line. That's all he wants. But once again, like we said, it doesn't matter what he say. His BS, his gaslighting does not affect the rule of law and the way prosecutors are working. Okay. So let's continue on now with Trump's statements. He's on to page two now. Quote, I don't know, he's quoting himself. This is in quotes all of a sudden. There's no way he wrote this, by the way. Yeah, never. It's still in quotes. I don't even understand. And the quotes don't end.

They just begin. Never before in our nation's history has this been done. The Democrats have cheated countless times over the decades, including spying on my campaign, but weaponizing our justice system to punish a political opponent who just so happens to be a president of the United States. I mean, you're not a president of the United States. And by far, the leading Republican candidate for president has never happened before ever. Yeah, because you're the only one who is a criminal, Donald Trump, on multiple accounts. Manhattan D.A. Alvin Bragg, who was handpicked and funded by George Soros, is a disgrace. Okay, so you get a little bit of anti-Semitism thrown in the mix here on page two, paragraph two. Rather than stopping the unprecedented crime wave taking

over New York City, once again, crime's actually been down in New York City year over year. Yeah, it's totally gone. He's doing Joe Biden's dirty work, ignoring the murders and burglaries and assaults he should be focused on. This is how Bragg spends his time. I believe this witch hunt will backfire massively on Joe Biden. The American people realize exactly what the radical left Democrats are doing here. Everyone could see it. So our movement and our party, united as strong, will first defeat Alvin Bragg, and then we will defeat Joe Biden. And we are going to throw every last one of these crooked Democrats out of office so we can make America great again. So there you have it,

a statement, a traitorous statement from Donald Trump, rife with anti-Semitism, with racism, with conspiracies, a clear outline of all of his other criminal behavior, which I always appreciate as somebody who has difficulty keeping up. Ben, you're the king of reading the Donald Trump statement. So I feel a little bad that I took the read away from you. But how do you feel about that Trump statement right there? Yeah, it's definitely okay. But before we read his new statement, and I'll have to make that a little bigger on my screen because salty. Trump misspelled indicted and he said he was indicted. I'm going to need some sort of magnifying glass for those.

But let's pull up the previous statement that he made, I believe, yesterday where he was applauding the grand jury. Just so you can see the kind of deranged, malignant narcissist. Read it for our audio listeners. Yeah, of course I'm going to read it. Ben, make sure you read it for our audio listeners. I will definitely be reading this for the audio listeners. I love this show. I've got to be on this show, bro.

That's what happens when you put three brothers together, Popak. You know, brothers are going to be brothers. I feel like the slightly cool dad on this show. right i will read it brett i'm going to read the statement pull back pull it back up donald trump goes i have gained such respect for this grand jury and perhaps even the grand jury system as a whole. The evidence is so overwhelming in my favor and so ridiculously bad for the highly partisan and hateful district attorney that the grand jury is saying, hold on, we are not a rubber stamp, which most grand juries are branded as being. We are not going to vote against a preponderance of evidence or against large numbers of legal scholars all saying there is no case here.

Drop this sick witch hunt now. And as I said, like if you read it the way it's intended to, that's like a real abusive like person like, hey, you know, I just want to let you know, I love you a lot, but don't do that. But don't do that. And that's how he approaches a legal case, right? So then you have that bizarre, malignant, narcissistic, whatever. By the way, he could always just say with that statement, and Popak, to your point, why wouldn't he just manage expectations? Because they are not doing this through the legal system, right? They are doing this counter to the legal system to overthrow our democracy to destroy it so he wants to go and say after he goes well the jury the grand jury loved me they they loved me they I heard that they thought I was the best but then

George Soros funded leftist prosecutor you know you, you know, that's what they do though. That's what they set it up for. So here's the most recent statement. Let's see if it's slightly bigger for my, there we go. There we go. As we all know, Ben has the best vision of all three brothers. Jordy, Jordy, merch alert, radical left monsters. Whoa. Interesting one one that's a good one I like we'll definitely put that in in the think about a pile poem Brett for our audio listeners I will read this I will not and enunciate please I will not telepathically transmit it to them it's let's let's pull it back up now salty's punking. These thugs and radical left monsters have just indicated, indicated he wrote, that's what he wrote. These thugs and radical left monsters. He had one job.

Okay, this he did right. These thugs and radical left monsters. Everybody, we have a historic announcement to make. This was the first president in history who has been indicated. Radical left monsters have just indicated the 45th president of the United States of America and the leading Republican candidate by far for the 2024 nomination for president. Now, this is all in caps. He goes, this is an attack on our country, the likes of which has never been seen before. It is likewise a continuing attack on our once free and fair elections. The USA is now a third world nation, a nation in serious decline. So sad. And he's got that photo with the ridiculous avatar of himself. It's his face disgracing the American flag. That's what it is. You're right.

And here's the thing too, Brett, when you talk about this- Oh, it's the Farley. Isn't it the Farley Obama takeoff? Yeah. Yeah. Everything. I think though, when he was asked by Hannity, he was asked the question, first off, he was like, so what do you think about President Xi? What do you think about Putin? What do you think about Kim Jong-un? He's like,-un it's like well great people great people great people you know what do you think about obama this was from the interview last night he goes i don't really know anything about him i i kid you i kid you not about obama i i kid you i i have the clip you want to play it do you have that clip i've got it yeah yeah play the clip just so you know that i'm making it i'm going to give names and

give me quick short sentence of narratives whatever comes to your mind putin well i'm going to have to go a little short but uh i got along with him great uh had i been president he would have been much better off because he wouldn't have gone into Ukraine. But ultimately, he's going to take over all of Ukraine. A man I got along again, I got along with him great until COVID came in. We would have been able to work together very well. I got I made an unbelievable deal for our farmers and manufacturers where China was giving us $50 billion a year to our farmers and our manufacturers. Kim Jong-un. Again, got along with him great.

People don't want to hear that. A lot of people say, that's terrible to get along with him great. When somebody has nuclear weapons that can blow up the world, it's nice to get along. I got along with him great. There's the other one, though, where he talks about Obama. But there is the question where he then says, he asks a question about, well, what do you think about Obama?

And his actual response is, I don't really know much about him. I kid you not. But I think most of the country, truthfully, 65 now, 70% of the country watches that with disgust and says, what in the world is that like you know and then 30 of the cult looks at that and loves it but that's why I think though there's truly a new paradigm that exists right now in our politics right and the large media networks do such a disservice in general but particularly when they're like oh Democrats liberals progressives Republicans conservative they're not conservative they're not conserving anything. There's nothing conservative about them. They're pro-insurrectionists. They don't believe in free and fair elections. They're championing songs by the J6 choir. They go, please stand and put your hand over your heart for the J6 choir. That's not a conservative view. That is weird. That is cult behavior and it needs to be called out as such. And the large media networks just don't do that. So to me, the paradigm is you have Republicans

who are fascists, who are insurrectionists, who are authoritarians, who are QAnon, who are Trump cultists, who are MAGA. And then you have the Democratic Party, which now stands for democracy. Progressives, you've got liberals, you've got independents, you've got people not affiliated with political parties. You've got people who used to be conservatives who go, what the hell is this stuff? And we can all have disagreements, but we fundamentally believe in democracy, in normalcy, in humanity, in the rule of law. And we don't believe in cults. And I just think that's an important point to stress over and over and over again.

Popak, as you see those statements, though, as you see Donald Trump cycling from, I love grand juries, grand juries are the greatest, to how dare you leftist George Soros. That's a madman. That is a deranged, vile individual. And if large media networks don't call it out, you know what? I don't even care anymore that large media networks don't call it out. You know why? Because we've got their viewers now because they've let facts, they've let people down. And so now people just want to hear the truth. They don't want to be gaslit.

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What more could you ask for, people? What more could you ask for? You can't ask for it. No one's doing that. We're doing it. Look, I'm going to respond to it really quickly. I'm going to back into it. Everybody on this network, the founders and everybody that's affiliated with it in one way or the other is a believer and a lover of a healthy two-party system. We got a two-party system. We're not going parliamentarian. This is our system. Ever since we got rid of wigs and whatever else we learned in high school and grammar school, this is it. And I've always been a supporter, believer, and lover of a two-party system. I've had plenty, and I still do have have plenty of friends that are not MAGA but are Republican, and we need a healthy two-party system to make this great

thing called democracy work. Right now, we're one party short. That one party has had itself co-opted first by the Tea Party movement. Well, you can go back further. First by Karl Rove, by Lee Atwater, which led to things like the Tea Party movement, which was not just an aberration, but eventually hollowed out the entire party and became the party now led by MAGA, QAnon, and everything else. And that is the party. So we are one party short in a two-party system. We got a party, the Democrats, and we got this thing that's a cult, this other thing. In terms of sort of where we are in that process, believers of justice, believers in democracy have to get behind the fact that this president has been indicted. I grew up in the, you know,

like I was a kid in the 70s and 80s. I watched Watergate on television as a small child. You know, everybody got together, Republican and Democrat and Independent, to call out a corrupt president. And we found that that was part of our civic and patriotic duty to do that. And it made us sad. But it was necessary when that helicopter flew away from the White House, like, you know, leaving Saigon, the fall of Saigon with Nixon in it, you know, we went into a healing process through Ford, through Carter and everything else. That's what should be happening now. But because we don't have a party, we have a corrupted party on the other side that has fallen in love and at the knee of Donald Trump,

the way cultists do. I mean, pick yourselves up, party. Have some pride. It's okay to acknowledge that the guy that was your standard bearer that you voted for, like all these people that have these bumper stickers, don't blame me, I voted for Trump, that your guy was corrupt. It's okay to acknowledge that. That's the first step in healing. The first step in any self-help program is admit you have a problem. Admit that Donald Trump is a problem instead of the greatest president that this history has ever known above Lincoln, above Washington, above Jefferson, FDR, and everybody else. It is ridiculous. Call it out for what it is. He was corrupt when he was in business.

I watched it because I lived in this area during the time. He was corrupt when he owned casinos. He was corrupt when he developed hotels. He was corrupt when he worked with his father. He was corrupt the whole way on Celebrity Apprentice and multi-level marketing schemes. He was corrupt when he got in the White House. And a guy that's corrupt acts corrupt.

And he brought all of his people with him and all his henchmen. And he continued to create a kleptocracy in the White House that finally, because he can't help himself as we see now, which finally got him into trouble because he touched every burner on the stove. He blew through every guardrail of democracy that our founding fathers put in place, and then said, catch me if you can.

Okay, you got caught. You got caught today, you're going to get caught tomorrow with Fawnie Willis, you're going to get caught the next day with jack smith and instead of being upset about it and call it a shame on america and a witch hunt his followers should need to the scales need to drop from their eyes and they need to call it for what it is that's the first step in patriotism and we do it as democrats. When we've got corrupt Democrats, we call it out and we send them into the wilderness for a while, whether it's Bill Clinton and his problems or really anybody. If Obama had done half of what Donald Trump had done, he'd be in jail already. And the Democrats would be the first one to lead them there.

That's the difference in the party. And that's what this network is founded on. Trump source. But Trump attorney Joe Takapina has told at least NBC News at this point that Trump is expected to surrender to the Manhattan DA's office early next week. So there you have it straight from Joe Takapina, who has surely made a spectacle of himself on the airwaves in recent weeks. He's not even the lead lawyer. He's the lead lawyer. He plays a lawyer on television for Donald Trump. But Susan Necklace is the lead lawyer. We've talked about this on all versions of Legal AF and in our hot takes. Susan Necklace, who lost the 17-count indictment and conviction for the Trump organization, for whatever reason, Trump still has faith in her. And she is the lead person that is the criminal defense lawyer for Donald Trump in the Stormy Daniels affair. Takapina may be carrying her bag,

her litigation bag, her attache case, but he is not the lead lawyer as we've seen. He's not ready for primetime, at least not for Donald Trump. It's interesting. He's got like, I was going to say he's got like his TV lawyers who, you know, who are on the air for him. And then he's got the people who are working behind the scenes. And I think it's interesting who he puts out there on the airwaves to go on the Foxes, I'm sure the Midas Mighty has seen this, but if you're new, you got to see the indictment season t-shirt that we got in the Midas Touch store at store.midastouch.com. And just watch Jordy's brilliance here, folks. I'm playing for you right now. Lock him up. Indictment season is upon us. Celebrate with the new indictment season t-shirt and v-neck exclusively at store.midastouch.com. Oh, you gotta love it. You gotta, gotta love it.

Let's go. What a big day. What a big day. I never saw make lying wrong again. That's a new one. I like that one. We got it. We got it. We got it all in the store at store.mytistouch.com. So check it out. Great way to celebrate. And Ben, I think we got another incredible guest. Michael Popak, I want to thank you for sharing your expertise with us. Everybody, make sure you subscribe to the Legal AF podcast that I host with Michael Popak and Karen Friedman Agniflo. It's on twice a week. Wherever you get your audio podcast, just search Legal AF. It is always an honor to host that show with you, Michael Popak, as well as Karen Friedman Agnifilo. What a superstar she is. And it's such a privilege

to have her on our network. Thank you so much, Michael Popak. We appreciate you. And everybody, make sure you hit subscribe right now on this YouTube channel. It is free. This is now the most watched stream as my face is chopped in half. This is the most watched stream on all of YouTube in the entire world right now. More people are watching this coverage. And I think people are watching this coverage over other news because I think the large media networks have just lost their way. People are sick and tired of being gaslit. People are sick and tired of hearing the Donald Trump cult be normalized by large media networks. And here at the Midas Touch Network, we just call them out. We say, that's a fascist. That's what a traitor looks like. That is what a criminal looks

like. And why do we say that? Because that is the truth. And one of our biggest truth tellers here on the Midas Touch Network is Jessica Denson, host of the Lights On podcast with Jessica Denson. It's one of the new podcasts we have here on the Midas Touch Network. And Jessica's journey for all who don't know her story is she worked for a brief period of time in that 2016 Trump campaign. She worked in the Trump campaign in one of their Latina outreach divisions. She left it fairly early after the heinous and despicable conduct was revealed to her. She sued Donald Trump. She prevailed in her lawsuit.

And she's the reason why Donald Trump's NDAs have been completely abolished. And Jessica Denson just started just as Jessica. Jessica took on Donald Trump, her against Trump's army of lawyers all by herself. She then assembled a legal team as her fighting spirit for democracy became very, very, very clear and apparent and a big victory. But she showed the path of how you win in a legal fight with Donald Trump and how just one person has that power. So it's an honor to have Jessica Denson here share her thoughts. And again, it's an honor to be Jessica Denson's sidekick on the Lights On podcast. So search Lights On. So Jessica, historic, historic, historic day.

What is your reaction to this news? Joy to the world is my reaction. Joy to the world. This is, I think, the beginning of a great exhaling that the free world is going to begin to take when justice for this traitor, this treasonous, corrupt individual who has lived, enjoyed a lifetime of impunity, harming so many people around the world is finally coming to justice. I'm so happy actually, our mutual friend that put us in touch, that put me in touch with the Midas Touch Network texted me and we just were able to share.

It was so wonderful to share with her being the first because we have lived inside of this corruption. We have seen this corruption firsthand, both going blindly in to support this man and to thinking very ignorantly at one point that he was somebody who actually had a spirit of good for this country, which is completely not true. And we're deceived and put our good faith and goodwill into what we thought was a cause for American greatness. And then experienced firsthand what a criminal corrupt enterprise

he has been running for years. So I'm so, so happy. I think that I put this out a little while ago, there's gonna be all kinds of commentary, all kinds of sewing of doubt and speculation of was, why is this the first charge? This wasn't the strongest. I've already rebutted that on the Lights On podcast

about how serious it is for a president to deceive the public to gain power, to gag someone to gain power. And of course, I have so much firsthand experience with this, with the NDAs. But it's actually quite fitting because it's chronological. I don't know if you've been, I haven't been watching your live coverage, so maybe you've already touched on this. But I think it's so fitting that of all of the crimes that we have, that we know about, that Donald Trump has committed, that are not outside of the statute of limitations, we're cleaning up chronologically, starting with 2016 hush money payments, falsification of business records in 2017 and it's likely not for sure but

it's likely going to be a chronological drop of indictments you know maybe possibly the next will be Fannie Willis with the 2020 2021 January 6th fallout and then Jack Smith 2021 and 2022 Mar-a-Lago. So it may just be a very fitting chronological cleanup of the Donald Trump crime spree that we're witnessing here. And I am so beyond anything grateful. You guys know how invested I have been personally in wanting to push for justice and knowing that we absolutely this can't be something that we just say oh well you know we'll deal with it with the political process no the criminal justice system has to handle the crimes of this man um and so to be here with you who have amplified my story and my fight in

such a beautiful way, you, Ben, Brett, and Jordy, and everybody at Midas Touch have far and away been the strongest, most beautiful sharers of my story. And I can't thank you enough. So it's really special to be here with the three of you on this historic day. We appreciate that, Jessica. It's the least that we can do because you have fought to amplify our democracy. So for us to share your incredible work with the world is frankly the least that we can do. But speaking of which, you have firsthand experience litigating against Donald Trump. You've been in the courtroom against Donald Trump's lawyers consistently. So from your experience, what advice would you give to people who are now litigating against Donald Trump, who are in the courtroom

from somebody who won their legal battle against Donald Trump? The number one, the absolute number one piece of advice is stay focused. Don't move. Don't move. They're going to throw so much noise. They're going to throw so much gaslighting. I've talked about this before, how they took my behavior as one individual woman out there who literally started on her own to save my life and to continue to have meaning in the world and anything that I went forward with. I realized that that was my premise for bringing this lawsuit in the first place was, if I don't do this, I'll never stand for anything in this world.

I have to do this now. And they threw so much shit at the fan in my case to try to distract, to try to call my behavior political when they are the most political actors in the world. Just stay focused. Don't move. My case experienced significant delays and setbacks. They tried to change forums. They tried to go judge shopping. They did every single thing they possibly could to get me to move from my mark. And I just simply never moved. So that's my number one piece of advice. Don't move. I have great faith that this

grand jury did not get to this point on a weak premise. They got here on a very strong premise. I think that Alvin Bragg has done a very methodical job of getting here. I think that it's quite evident that the other prosecutors investigating Trump, time is the biggest indicator how much time it's taken them to get to this point. And God knows all of us wished this would have happened sooner. But the one thing that time has given them is the opportunity to really strengthen and solidify their base their their framework and their you know the rock that they're standing on and like I said biggest piece of advice don't move from that rock. You have truth on your side. Truth has

already won this fight. You simply just don't move from it. And so the Midas Mighty out there have all been very inspired by your story. What else would you like to tell the Midas Mighty on this historic day? What should they be prepared for? What would you tell them to start reflecting on as, you know, we should expect that these MAGA Republicans who don't like the rule of law, who support insurrections, who brag about singing with the J6 choir. I mean, how humiliating. Who hold rallies, WACO WACO rallies, supporting people like David Koresh, who's a pedophile terrorist, and support people like that who do Timothy McVeigh rallies. Like it isn't normal times, folks, with this modern day MAGA Republican Party. So what is it that you want to kind of tell all the Midas Mighty out there that they should be prepared for?

Again, from someone like you who has been in the trenches in these legal battles with Donald Trump? Well, to the Midas Mighty, Midas Mighty is doing wonderful work. I don't know. They don't need to be preached to. But one thing I can say is that, like I've said before, take great comfort and strength in the position that you are in, being on the side of truth, on the side of democracy. And I think you know this, Ben and Brett and Jordi, from building this network, the most important things that we do in life are not the easiest. They're the hardest, right? The hardest things are the things that give us the most gratification, the most blessing. When we handle the hardest things in our lives, they then keep us from having to handle them again. This is like the law of the universe. When we are brave enough and courageous enough and we build those muscles to handle these hard situations,

then we don't have to face them again. So we are facing a test. And it is, I always, you know, repeat this because I feel so grateful to be living in this moment of history, to have the opportunity, you and I, and all of us out there, for us to be the ones that have this opportunity to defend our democracy, to defend freedom for the future, to be the ones that say no, authoritarians are not going to get away with committing crimes and treason in the freest country in the world and walk away. No, we are going to put an end to that on our watch. And will it be easy? Not necessarily. But is it absolutely necessary? Yes, it is.

So to the Midas mighty, you're already on the right track. You just don't waver. You take great faith. You be strong. Truth is on your side. Truth has already won. And just a message to the others still in the grasp of Donald Trump, in the grasp of Fox News and all this gaslighting people who are going to lie to them and tell them this is a political persecution and lie to them and tell them they're not after Donald Trump,

they're after you. How dare they do that? Donald Trump has used and abused his own followers. He has sent his own followers to their death. This is healing and and restitution and and an answer and justice for them as well. How dare anyone tell the duped and deceived and lied to followers of Donald Trump that this is something that is after them. Hell no, this is for you. This is for a blessing for you. And even, you're ready for it? It's even a blessing for Donald Trump. I

heard Popak, just as I was coming on, talk about healing. And that's at the heart of the matter. If you go to just the moral foundation for our justice system, it is for reformation. I've talked about this before. Penitentiary, the word penitentiary comes from penitence, which means thought, reform, you know, rethinking one's actions. That is an absolute gift to a man like Donald Trump, who in 70 plus years on this earth has not yet had the opportunity to face the truth. Truth is the greatest gift. Truth is love, folks. Truth is love. So this justice is an act of love,

even to Donald Trump. And before I toss it over to Brett, I just want to point out everyone watching the screen outside the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. We just saw Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg leave the office, get into the SUV. That is what you're watching on the screen right now. You see the crowds beginning to gather around the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. The police have cordoned off a lot of the areas surrounding it. But yes, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg just getting out of the office, getting into the SUV, leaving. That is what you just saw right there on TV Live here on the Midas Touch Network. Also, make sure you hit the subscribe button right now as we pass 1 million subscribers. And this is the most watched YouTube stream in the world right now.

More people watching this than any news network in the entire world. And it's thanks to the Midas Mighty out there. None of this is possible without you. And of course, to our great correspondents like Jessica Denson, Karen Friedman, Agnifilo and others. Brett, thoughts? Yeah, well, Jessica, I just want to say you are certainly one of the single strongest people I know. And your strength is contagious. Your passion is contagious. Your love is contagious. And on the contrary, Donald Trump is weak.

And a lot of people think that Donald Trump is a strong man. But what you have showed is that when somebody with strength, when somebody with integrity stands up to a bully, look what happens. And that I think is what we are seeing right here as we see the images of Alvin Bragg in New York drive away. That is what we just saw there in New York. And I like that you frame this as a test, because what's coming is really a test of our institutions at the highest level. And I want to pull up right now some of these tweets that we are seeing from the House Judiciary Committee. Remember, this is supposed to be a committee that upholds the rule of law. And you see here the House Judiciary GOP. This is an account

run by none other than Jim Jordan. And and in the sequence he says at first this happened in america this happened in america sad day for our country nope nobody is above the law jim jordan nobody then he retweets himself from the house judiciary account outrageous then the next tweet he echoes his trump elon kanye tweet the infamous famous tweet where I he put a curse on all these people I think because between that list uh everybody knows what happened with all three of those people at this point and he goes Mueller Schiff brag which once again is he just listing the people who are investigating Donald Trump's crimes like you're just calling attention to Donald Trump's criminality here and then Brett Brett, didn't they also post that one,

which was like Kanye, Elon. That's what I just said. And they, but it's just Jim, it's just Jim Jordan having a conversation with himself on Twitter. Like that's what he does. He,

he doesn't do anything. He, he just, he yells at himself on Twitter. I mean, sorry, I wasn't listening to you, Brett.

I was literally like, and this echoes the kind of, this echoes the kind of it was kind of the whole point of what the whole point of what he was saying but but but but all good good to know you're paying attention there ben and now let's look at this uh let's look at this absolute detestable despicable traitor uh kevin mccarthy and what kevin mccarthy had to say here kevin mccarthy tweets out alvin bragg has irreparably damaged our country in an attempt to interfere in our presidential election as he routinely frees violent criminals to terrorize the public he weaponized our sacred system of justice against donald's president donald trump once again not president and once again crime is actually down in new york year over year they just spread these lies because they know that they could talk crap

about american cities and it's actually very offensive to a lot of america the way they speak about american cities and you haven't talked about bakersfield the upright i didn't miss that and i haven't talked about bakersfield kevin kevin mcc's hometown, which is one of the single most called Killing County. Have everybody seen the documentary that Ben here produced with Colin Kaepernick? It's Killing County. They have the most police shootings per capita. They have the most homicides in all of California.

So maybe Kevin McCarthy should be concerned about his own backyard, which has a much higher crime rate than all the cities that he rails on. And let's pull out – No, you know what they're focused on though, Brett? You know what these MAGA Republicans want to talk about this week? Washing machines? Gas stoves? No, no, no.

Yeah. Well, okay. Ready? I'll give you the choice. Are you ready? I'm excited for this. Are you ready? Is it pronouns?

Is it M&Ms? This week? You're talking about this week. Is it bathrooms? Is it Mr. Potato Head? Is it Dr. Seuss? Come on. pronouns is it m&ms this week you're talking about this week rooms is it mr potato head is it dr seuss come on is it stoves or is it public urination what is which issue i'm gonna say let me look in the let me look in the chat to see what the chat uh thinks we'll make we'll make this a little interactive i mean we could we could technically do a vote.

But what does everyone think that the MAGA Republicans are focused on from that list this week? Okay, I'm looking right now. I'm looking right now. And it looks like... Drag queens. Critical race theory. But it looks like the overwhelming one is public urination. So can we see from Lauren Boebert what the hearing that the MAGA Republicans held today was? And if we've got that clip, Brett, let's play it. And these charges, these changes are now law here in D.C., correct? Do you mean the revised criminal code?

Yes. No, those are not the law. Those are not the law. Did with the... Do you mean the revised criminal code? Yes. No, those are not the law. Those are not the law. The revised criminal code was rejected by... Excuse me, Mr. Chairman. I want to talk to Mr. Allen. Yes, ma'am. Mr. Allen, did you or did you not decriminalize public urination in Washington, D.C.? Did you lead the charge to do so?

No, the revised criminal code left that as a criminal charge. Did you lead the charge to decriminalize public urination in Washington, D.C.? No, ma'am. That in the revised criminal code— Did you ever vote in favor of decriminalizing public urination in Washington, D.C.? The revised criminal code that was passed by the council— Did you ever support—

Kept it as a criminal offense. Did you—and you support this criminal— I voted for it, yeah. You voted to keep it as a criminal offense did you did and you support this criminal i voted for it yeah you voted to keep it as a criminal offense that's correct it's like she wants to make a point but at the same time she didn't even do her homework on the point and we're going to get into some of these uh gop house conferences which listeners of the show know i like to call the republican party professional rake steppers, because they seem to always throw out the rakes and then step on them and smacks them in the face. All these hearings tend to absolutely backfire on them. Because let's face it, they don't come prepared.

They're facing off against really intelligent, well educated, scholarly people on the Democratic side who do come well-prepared, who are armed with the facts. And it's just endless humiliation every time they try to do this. So we're going to go through some of these hearings. At the same time, we are also gradually getting in clips as well from Donald Trump, from Donald Trump's attorneys. So we're going to be doing all sorts of that stuff. I also want to play this clip that we just got here from Alina Haba, Trump attorney who weighed in. I believe this is Alina Haba phoning it in to Fox News. I believe she called this pathetic, the indictment of Donald Trump. Let's hear a renowned attorney, Alina Haba. We all are aware that this is probably the most legally

pathetic case that we've seen. And just knowing the facts as I know them, based on comments to the press by people like Michael Cohen, who they're reffing their case on, I think his sentiments are that this is a result of him leading in the polls, doing incredibly well. He is the leading candidate, as we know. And when people are afraid of someone being successful and fixing the mess that our country is, they come after you. So this is the same thing that President Trump has been dealing with for years. And I can't say that he's surprised. I don't think that would be how I would describe his state of mind. I think that he's disappointed in what has become a sad day for our country.

Jessica Denson, your reaction. The only thing I could think of while she was talking, it's just noise. Like, she's just noise to me. But what I was thinking of is the other networks that are going to be constantly framing these indictments in the context of Donald Trump being a political candidate. Oh, how does it affect his candidacy? Oh, how are the other candidates going to react? Instead of saying, this is an at-lar large criminal who should have been charged years ago, it's obscene that he's running for president in the first place. I think we should return to the framing that the Huffington Post had for Donald Trump in 2016, where they put him in the entertainment column. Now we just should put him in the criminal justice column, not in the political column.

So, you know, that's all noise. Yeah, that's that's the Trump sycophant playbook. He's good for this country, blah, blah, blah, whatever. I'm just back to the framing of here is a serious criminal who is finally coming to justice. And let us be in reality and not lose our minds by continuing to treat him like a legitimate political candidate after what he has done. Couldn't agree more with you. And this just in a statement from Ron DeSantis that came in about 20 minutes or so ago, and we're just getting it right now. So we'll try to pull it up. I'll read for you what Ron DeSantis is

saying in this post. He goes, the weaponization of the legal system to advance a political agenda turns the rule of law on its head. It's un-American. The Soros-backed Manhattan District Attorney has consistently bent the law to downgrade felonies and excuse criminal misconduct. And now he is stretching the law to targetgrade felonies and excuse criminal misconduct. And now he is stretching the law to target a political opponent. Florida will not assist in an extradition request, given the questionable circumstances at issue with this Soros-backed Manhattan prosecutor and his political agenda. I mean, he's basically not really saying anything because that doesn't really, you know, matter one way or the other. I mean, if Donald Trump doesn't surrender on his own, there's just going to be more charges, you know, for trying to evade. It'll just be more crimes on

top of that. And not only that, but remember this, like, let's just play it out like Donald Trump hides in Florida for just to say he hides in Florida for the next 60 days. Let's not forget the E. Gene Carroll civil rape and defamation trial set to go April 25th. the district attorney's indictment also tailors with the New York Attorney General, fits with the New York Attorney General's civil lawsuit seeking at least $250 million in damages. That civil lawsuit by New York Attorney General Letitia James, that's set to go to trial October 2nd of 2023. So you've got two other Trump trials where he has to be present. And if he doesn't show up to the New York attorney general's lawsuit, he's going to lose billions of dollars if he doesn't show up to New York there. If he doesn't show up to the E. Jean Carroll case and just ditches that trial, he's going to lose big time in that case. And so there really isn't any

circumstance where he's not showing up in New York. And we've reported earlier that his TV lawyer, Joe Takapina, has said that Donald Trump is going to surrender himself. But who knows? I mean, here is someone who's completely lawless, Brett. Ben, don't you see that DeSantis statement as the epitome of weakness from Ron DeSantis? I mean, that statement is dripping with fear to me because Ron DeSantis has whiplash from just a few days ago when he was asked that question, what he would do with Donald Trump if Donald Trump got indicted. And Ron DeSantis answered the wrong way for MAGA. He tried to get a ding in at Donald Trump. He said, oh, you know, we're concerned about Florida things here. So, you know, I don't really think about

that. I think about the people of Florida and oh yeah, by the way, I don't ever actually, I don't even know anything about hush money from a porn star. I mean, who would know about that? I mean, that's his thing, but not mine. And with that one line, he completely destroyed his shot at winning the MAGA nomination with the MAGA base. And I want to pull up that tweet one more time here, because I included the top comment to the tweet in the screenshot on purpose, because it's from I think somebody who's trying to, I don't even know who this person is, if I'm being honest. They have a blue checkmark, which means nothing on Twitter. It says they're running for Florida governor, but it's clearly a MAGA person. And they say, you should have made this. This is a response to DeSantis' tweet. You should have made this announcement two weeks ago when Trump went public. Now you are sinking in the polls and have no choice. What a politician. And I'm sure there are a lot of people in the MAGAverse who feel just like that, who feel betrayed by Ron DeSantis. And this is Ron DeSantis' last ditch attempt to go, look, I'm trying. I'm trying

to help you. I'm trying to help you. And when you have all these acts of obstruction that we're seeing from people like Kevin McCarthy, from people like Jim Jordan, and remember that weaponization committee, the aptly named weaponization committee, which is actually designed to weaponize the federal government against the citizens of this country, against prosecutors. One of the single most basic reasons why that committee was created was not even to do all the BS that we've seen them do over these past few weeks. That committee was created exactly for this moment right here. And what they plan to do and what they will do is they are going to go on an all out assault against every prosecutor in the country who is investigating Donald Trump. We see it with the Georgia GOP, what they're trying to do with

the Fulton County prosecutor, Fannie Willis. And we're going to see this ramped up even more in the GOP controlled house as they dedicate resources, time, money into trying to interfere unconstitutionally with local and state elections. I think it's about to get really messy in that regard, but guess what? They don't have a leg to stand on. So they could try to do this. They're going to try to create chaos. They're going to try to get the news cycle. But at the end of the day, they don't have jurisdiction over most of these matters. Ultimately, what could happen, just a possibility, is that when they inevitably don't succeed because they can't succeed, it's like Mike Pence on January 6th. Mike Pence had no power to actually do anything even if he wanted to.

But they won't succeed in keeping Donald Trump out of trouble or undoing the indictment or whatever magical things they're going to tell to their base. And that base is going to quickly turn on them as they view them as incapable of protecting Donald Trump. I think you might see that, but you're going to start seeing these other factions form. It's going to get vicious and it's going to be something to watch. But what you know for sure is that these Republicans, these MAGA Republicans, these Kevin McCarthy's, these Marjorie Taylor Greene's, these Jim Jordan's, the entire Freedom Caucus, what you're going to see is a doubling and a tripling down of their support for Trump,

whether it's authentic or inauthentic. And they're going to use the full weight of their offices to try to actually politically persecute and prosecute their political enemies. So something to keep track of. And to your point, Jessica, this shouldn't be political. Donald Trump is committing crimes. It shouldn't be a political position that as a Democrat, I think that it is outrageous that the other political party sings songs with a terrorist group called the J6 Choir. We should just look at that and go, what the hell is that? That shouldn't be like, Ben, you're a leftist. You're so political that you just want to criticize the J6 choir with Donald Trump.

It's like, what is going on? I just figured it out. I just figured. So if Donald Trump goes to jail, he has an automatic position with the J6 choir. There you go. He's got his future lined up. If he goes to jail or prison, he could always end up as a member. It's such a nice place for Donald Trump.

He could sing songs about January 6th. It's going to look real good on him, absolutely. His tweets could be scrawled out on paper and deranged letters. It's the perfect place for him. I can go and talk about building showers. I'd like to build a shower. That sounds fun. I think there's lots of fun stuff for Donald Trump to do in prison. He could complain about the shower pressure, the toilet flushing. Yeah. I mean, he could maybe even buy some diet Coke from the commissary. Exactly. You know, he doesn't, maybe not the cup of soups,

but he can trade, make some trades for some cans of diet Coke. But Jessica, they're the ones who are politicizing, right? Things that in the past, I mean, Brett, I want you to talk about this after Jessica, but like when we look back, Marjorie Taylor Greene wanted to spread all this disinformation about something that she says happened in 11th grade. And we looked at the kind of gun-free school zone legislation that was signed into law by George H.W. Bush, and only one House Republican opposed it. And it was passed by a voice vote in the Senate. Everybody supported this idea that you don't bring guns into school. And so the Democrats haven't changed. Everybody viewed that, hey, let's not have weapons of war in school,

and let's have common sense gun reform then, right? But there was this radicalization, this turning into extremists and becoming, you know, kind of this full-fledged fascistic party. I mean, that's happening from the MAGA Republican side. And, you know, I'm not trying to use hyperbole here. I just don't know how else to describe the conduct of them. Jessica? No, I think Brett really hit the nail on the head on what this weaponization committee is on the tactics of the Republicans in power, especially in the House, but really the party writ large because of their failure to condemn and correct the narrative of their more vocal clowns. But this is what I always go back to is why their rhetoric is so dangerous.

It's not just that they are calling criminal justice, the proper unfolding of criminal justice, political when it's not political, but that they literally turn everything on its head. Everything is upside down. Like Brett was saying, this committee for, about the weaponization of federal government actually is federal government being weaponized. And why it is so dangerous is because to those people who are taking in this gaslighting, taking in this propaganda, they are seeing the world completely inverted. It is what is motivating domestic terrorists, stochastic terrorism, is this perverted vision of an upside down world where who they believe because they're being lied to by people who are supposed to be leaders, literally walking our halls of the United States

Congress, who have sworn an oath to the constitution being lied to by these individuals being told that there is a political persecution going on against someone who is working in their best interest when that is a complete lie. There is a process of justice going on against someone who has committed crimes even against them. And it's all not only, like Brett said, weaponizing the federal government against the rightful process of justice, but it is inciting terrorism. It is inciting hatred and violence. And to have this on the same week when we have had yet another school shooting, which by the way, let us not forget, it's almost like we've put school shootings in their own

category and we don't even consider them crimes. These are crimes that are being enabled by a party who will not enact sensible legislation to keep weapons of war out of the hands of criminals. That is the party that we're dealing with. So I just have no patience. We need to call it out as much as we possibly can. We need to point out how everything, every single thing this Republican Party accuses somebody else of, they are guilty of themselves. It is the most foul, filthy, unchristian manner of behavior from a group that claims to be the upholders of Christianity. Far from it. They embody the anti-Christ in this country and they are causing so much pain and destruction to just to the American conscience. Today, I want to be clear, I got to jump from this soon, but today is a day of healing. This is a day for our country to come

together and say, my God, this man who has caused so much destruction, we all remember waking up every day of the Trump administration like, oh, my God, what did he do today? It was like, you know, we're all recovering still from the trauma of the Trump administration. I experienced things firsthand. But, I mean, you can just be a regular American citizen and have experienced daily trauma from the Trump administration and what that man inflicted on the American people and the free world. So this should be a, like I said last week on Lights On, this should be a coming together of a unifying experience that we are all having as Donald Trump is finally facing justice. I'm going to say something because these so-called Christians that don't live the lives of Christians in Congress, if they ever decide to pick up that book that they swore an oath to the constitution on,

it talks about hypocrisy. It talks about the woe to them that call evil good and good evil. There is a God, okay? If they are believing that book, then they believe that there is a God. And that God judges your actions. It judges your conscience. It doesn't judge the lies. It doesn't give you credit for putting on a play

in the House of Congress. It knows your heart. God knows your heart. So these people, maybe not the Jim Jordans, maybe not the Lauren Boeberts, but I know, I know there's people in those houses of Congress with an R next to their name that know this is all a bunch of nonsense, that this is damaging to the country, that Donald Trump is a criminal who needs to be prosecuted. I challenge those people who claim to be Christians to search their heart and to think about their role in history, their role in their own families, their role as a man or woman, just their very spiritual identity. And think about whether they are going to answer, be able to answer to their God about their silence or their gaslighting in this moment and rethink that. Just a thought.

Jessica Denson, I want to thank you. Chiquito jumped on my lap during that break and Chiquito wants to thank you. You and I will be hosting Lights On live right here on the Midas Touch Network tomorrow. We'll be hosting that at 4 Pacific, 7 Eastern time. It is an honor to host that show with you. The past few Lights On podcasts that we've done together, we've, I think, gotten more than 200,000 kind of total plays or downloads, which is an incredible for a first show offering. And it's a testament to, frankly, you,

your passion and your fight for our democracy. So Chiquito, myself, and Brett and Jordi. I have to say something. Ben, if Midas Touch viewers will notice, Ben put a suit jacket on for me. Well, not only that. And he has not taken it off since. Just loaded. This is true.

It is a true story. Jessica said when I host a podcast with her, she says, can you stop wearing those sweatshirts and those t-shirts put on a suit jacket. So I put on the suit jacket over my t-shirt and I was like, you know what? I like this better. And the Midas Mighty like it too. Yeah. That's good. Thank you. And we will, we will, we will see you soon. I'll see you tomorrow on the show. Everybody make sure you subscribe to Lights On. Brett, I know we got some more videos and statements coming in. Let's just pull up this statement. This is from the Central Park Five, the exonerated five. Donald Trump took out that full page ad calling for them. They were innocent for the death penalty for them. And that's the Michael Cohen statement. Let's put up

the statement from the Central Park Five, and I'll read it. It says, Trump has never apologized for taking out a full page ad calling for the death penalty for the Central Park Five. New York City Council candidate and exonerated five member Yusef Salaam issued the following statement following the indictment of Donald Trump by the Manhattan District Attorney. Karma. Karma. Wow. Karma. I think just a one word, very powerful statement right there. And I think we're also, Brett, do we have some of these clips from Fox? Because they're just losing it right now. I think you had Jesse Waters. Do we have them where Jesse Waters is like talking about Alvin Bragg's weight and saying that he's going to eat or something like that do you know the clip yeah let's play this clip i think it's sticking and let's say it sticks in the appeal and it's

thrown out on appeal i think actually we see bragg he's the big one just got into the suv there no statement nothing he'll probably go home and eat i mean vile vile disgusting human beings really vile people and jesse waters is actually one of the most vile people i don't know if if any of our viewers probably not you know but we've been so deep in this like if you see some of jesse waters old hits that he used to do on fox news also they're some of the most grotesque misogogynistic, unfunny, just horrific things that you have ever seen in your life. He's just a really horrific, horrible, horrible human being. And that wasn't it from them. I mean, you had this one moment where, you know, Jesse Waters was just trying to throw out kind of every possible talking point that he could wrap his mind around.

It's like their brains are just misfiring now. They don't know what to do. They've deluded themselves so much that now they're in this place of utter shock and they are living out their shock live on the air for all to see. So here's another clip of Jesse Waters just moments ago. You have, you're kind of on the precipice of a little mini

recession the market's a little shaky right now tons of layoffs big spring offensive about to happen in ukraine russia does look like they have momentum there the chinese are aligning with our former allies in the middle east a lot of people are moving to the wan last week you had bank records coming out that said that the president lied and his family did get paid millions by chinese communist spies all of this is happening a couple days ago you had a trans mass shooter and then all of a sudden after we heard that the the grand jury is going to go home for a month they dropped this this seems well okay go ahead jesse wouldn't you oh well thankfully they had uh renowned expert janine piero on the line to break it down for their for their viewers that's that's who they are

they like react to the own their own conspiracy theory that they create they were going to go home things were looking good for donald trump And then this happened. No, you've just been lying to your viewers. And guess what? We have your text messages. We know that behind the scenes, y'all mock your viewers. You call your viewers idiots. You call all of the Republican leadership. you call them morons. You've got Tucker Carlson saying all these things about Donald Trump and saying how much I absolutely despise that individual. I mean, these are the phoniest bunch's the thing, exhausted majority. We can be exhausted no more. And it's up to each and every one of us. It's up to you watching this to also be the solution. It's great what Alvin Bragg did today. It is great that the Department of Justice and Special Counsel Jack Smith is engaged in serious criminal investigations of serious criminal traitors. It's great the work that Fannie Willis is doing. It's great

that we have a great President Biden who's an adult in the room. It's great that we have a Democratic-controlled Senate. Those are great things, but we can't look for superheroes to come out of nowhere and help us, right? We have to be the change and we have to be the ones who share these videos, who share the truth one person at a time. And there was a reason why this stream was the number one stream of all news, of all news in the world when the news broke that the Manhattan grand jury voted to criminally indict Donald Trump. And the exponential effect that all of you can have if you share this YouTube channel with just one person or two people or four people or five people, friends, neighbors, colleagues, coworkers, anybody you know, and spread the truth and spread the love of our democracy.

And here's the thing. We love our country. We love our Constitution. And we don't just do it by holding up the Constitution or just saying slogans. It's about our conduct. It's about what we do each and every day, living our lives with humanity, compassion, supporting our democracy, supporting our institutions, obviously standing up to corruption, trying to make things better. Don't let them steal the name patriot. Don't let them steal the American flag. Don't let them. Don't let them because they defile our constitution. They defile our flag. They defile what it means to be a patriot each and every day. Those MAGA Republicans are not conservatives. They're traitors. They're fascists. They're liars. That is who they are.

And we've been showing you some photographs that are now being released. You've got Alvin Bragg and you've got Donald Trump there. We showed you some photos of Alvin Bragg leaving the Manhattan District Attorney's office. And here at the Midas Touch Network, we have a data-first approach, right? Same thing with the midterms. We weren't just going on with the narrative, red wave, red wave, red wave. No. We said, let's bring on Simon Rosenberg, Tom Bonior, because guess what? There were 40 million early votes cast. A pretty good data set to analyze, right? A pretty good data set to analyze. Let's follow the data. Same thing here. Let's follow actually what the court filings state. Let's not be gaslit by large media networks who are just pursuing an agenda.

And certainly let's not watch these right wing disinformation chambers. Brett, let me toss it to you. right-wing news networks where they kind of thrive and where they are able to stoke kind of fear and anxiety amongst people is when there is a vacuum of information or any sort of uncertainties. And a legal process is naturally full of vacuums of information and uncertainties. You have a grand jury that conducts itself entirely in private. Nobody knows exactly what is going on other than via leaks and whatnot. And then you have a lot of these organizations and the Republican Party and whoever trying to piece the pieces together and doing it in a way whatever fits their narrative best. And that's just not how we need to be operating here. I mean, everybody who told you

this will never happen, Bragg's never going to do it, Bragg must be on the take, lock Bragg up. If you've heard any of these statements, just turn those people off. They're truthfully, they are not worth your time. And then you have the extreme of that, which is Fox. And oh, man, I'm not going to lie, folks. I'm getting quite a bit of schadenfreude from watching Fox tonight and these clips come in. But on this clip of Fox, this is also on Jesse Waters' show. He's just bringing the hits tonight. They say that the real crime, folks, the real crime was not what Donald Trump did. The real crime was, in fact, Stormy Daniels breaking her NDA. Let's play the clip.

They're prosecuting Donald Trump for sex. The Democrats are prosecuting Donald Trump. Sex that he doesn't even admit to. For sex he denies. He doesn't even admit to. And Jesse, he also paid for an NDA. Everybody seems to forget about this. Stormy Daniels got $130,000 to keep her mouth shut,

which is an ironic phrase, of course. But she ended up getting all of that money and telling her story. Nobody's talking about it. And again, to me, 240 years we haven't seen this. I think we're past the statute. Yeah, come on on there's absolutely nothing that they're saying that's accurate and they're just saying it oh it's just about sex you know it's like what the hell is that like like just vile creatures like

and it's an nda and she's supposed to keep her mouth shut. It's like, you, you're just idiots. Like you are despicable people. Like if that, like those people stay away from my family, for real, stay the hell away from my family. Would you want people like who you just saw on TV there anywhere near somebody that you love? Those are vile and despicable human beings right there. Ben, Ben, you're so right. When you watch that, just ask yourself, would you want these people watching my kids? Would you want these people on the screen right there? Would you want them watching my pets? No, they're lunatics. And that also applies to the entire GOP landscape, from Marjorie Taylor Greene to Jim Jordan to Kevin McCarthy. You wouldn't let

these people in your home. Why are we letting them govern? It's absolutely ridiculous. And look, there's going to be a lot of bad takes coming out. And I want our listeners to really listen. I'm already going to lose my mind over it. So what you'll hear in the coming days, people will say, hey, you know what this does? This doesn't do it. All this does is let Donald Trump raise millions of dollars. Hey, tell that person, stop it. You're being silly.

He was going to do that anyway. Hey, all this does is sure up the nomination for Trump for the GOP. Tell that person, stop it. You're being silly. He was going to do that anyway. What this does is it proves that nobody, no matter who they are, no matter how much money they have, pretend to have, they're not above the law. The law applies to every citizen in this country. It's 100% true. And it you know, it extends from these networks, and it extends right into the halls of Congress. And, you know, I want to show our Marjorie Taylor

Greene fact check from yesterday, Marjorie Taylor Greene out there, arguing, you know, that in light of the horrific shooting in Nashville, that there should be more guns in schools. What we need is more guns. And she referenced an incident that happened at her high school when she was in 11th grade, where an armed gunman came in and they had to lock down the school. And she blamed it on the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990, which was signed into law by George H.W. Bush. Now, there are a few problems with her argument, and we outlined this in a quick fact check. And I think these fact checks are important for keeping these folks honest. A plus fact check.

Thank you. And because when they spread the disinfo with our network, with the power of our network, with the power of our reach, we are now able to get the facts out quicker than her disinfo was even able to spread on this one. And typically, it's the exact opposite. So here was our fact check of Marjorie Taylor Greene from the hearings about this incident from yesterday. Will you yield? Oh, I'll yield. Yes, please. Yeah, when I was in 11th grade and Joe Biden made our schools gun-free school zones, one of the students in my school brought three guns to school and our entire school went on lockdown because he was the only person with a gun.

Quick fact check. When Marjorie Taylor Greene was in 11th grade, George H.W. Bush was president and signed into law the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. It passed the Senate by a voice vote and the House by a vote of 313 to 1. Just think about the bipartisan consensus on this gun law in 1990. It really shows how radicalized the Republican Party has become. Oh, and not that it needed to be said, but Joe Biden has not, in fact, been president for the past 33 years. Not only that, but Marge is lying about the timeline of events.

The incident at her school occurred on September 6th, 1990. The bill was not even introduced until October 27th, 1990, and was signed into law on November 29th, 1990, nearly three months later. So, yes, Marge is lying again. So there you have Marjorie Taylor Greene blaming Joe Biden for passing a law when he was a senator that led to a shooting in her school, which actually the shooting happened before the law was even passed. So it had no bearing on it whatsoever. I mean, these people will lie about anything. They are the lowest of the low. But I think perhaps what makes these lies that we see from the Republican Party so sinister and so evil is that they are lying. It's what Jessica Denson said. They are lying to cover up the actual crimes that are taking place in America. They are lying to protect their own self-interest and the self-interest of the people who pocket their paychecks than their actual constituents. And they do it in a way by wrapping their arms around the flag, by saying, I'm a patriot, patriot this,

maga patriot that. And meanwhile, they are picking your pockets. They are letting their billionaire friends pick your pockets. They are flooding your schools with weapons. They are letting your kids get gunned down. These are the results of these Republican policies, and they mask them all in patriotism or religion. This is their playbook, And we all have to be calling it out. Every single one of us here has a megaphone. It's not just us. And so whether you are just sharing that video or making your own content, I hope that we could also inspire you to be the change, to be spreading these messages and getting the truth out there. Because there's a reason they do that propaganda. There's a reason they speak about gas stoves. There's a reason they speak about washing machines and Mr. Potato Head because they know there is at least a small but sizable portion of the population

who hangs on their every word and that stuff works on them. But once again, there are many more of us than there are of them out there. And one of the things that, you know, Jon Stewart had also said during that Fareed Zakaria interview, you know, that I that I really respected was Fareed Zakaria also asked Jon Stewart about this, the culture wars. Don't we get trapped with the culture war bait? Don't you think we're talking about the washing machines and the stoves? Don't you think that they're destroying the Democrats on it? And Jon Stewart was just kind of like, what's the evidence that they're winning on these issues? Show me the evidence. They barely won the House. They've lost every presidential election in recent history. It's a false premise. They're not winning. They're winning gerrymandered districts. They're winning select states here and there. On the whole, these Republican policies and this extreme Republican agenda is being repudiated over and over and over and over again. So I just want to call that out with you all. And there will be

plenty more of those Marjorie Taylor Greene fact check, not just her, but she's probably the world's biggest liar next to Trump, but giving him a run for his money. But we'll be doing a lot more of those fact check videos because I think they are super important in getting out the message in bite-sized bits. We know you have all these right-wing extremist fascist maniacs posting and Donald Trump is reposting them on his social media platform here. We posted this. Just look at this, like, disgusting account, though, again, with the avatar of his face with the American flag on. Just absolutely heinous. And so he's reposting people like Carrie Lake.

And she's going, this is a dark moment in the history of our nation. The radical left and their weaponized criminal justice system have crossed all legal and ethical lines in an attempt to destroy the 45th and 47th president of the United States. It only makes him stronger. I mean, the cult behavior is so weird. By the way, she's someone who goes out there and still claims that she's the governor of Arizona. Right. Like, how strange can you possibly be? This is Steve Scalise. I mean, these are leaders in their party who are more like clownish right-wing fascist influencers than ever should get the title leaders. And he goes, the sham New York indictment of President

Donald Trump is one of the clearest examples of extremist Democrats weaponizing government to attack their political opponents. Outrageous. I mean, you know, just reflect upon that. This would be like when, you know, Nixon was caught, right? If all of the Republicans basically rallied around Nixon and said that, you know, Nixon is right. This is a weaponization. And as you scroll down, you see these ridiculous ads, free gold bars, free gold bars on mine. It advertises knives because it's either. Wow, man, are you seeing this right now too? So we're hearing that there are 34 counts

in the Trump indictment, 34 counts. Ben, what do you make of that here in that right now? I'm going to look and I'm going to go to confirm that 34 counts. underlying conspiracy at issue, right? You have the falsification of business records, which is the misdemeanor, but then you have all of this other unlawful and illegal conduct. And to me, it was never just about election interference. That's what we said here on the Midas Touch Network, because everyone was like, oh, just New York election violations and just New York state election laws. How could you just use that law? And I was like, Donald Trump engages in a lot of crimes, okay? There's a lot of criminal conspiracies that he's engaged in. And when I say why we're a data-first network, because if you just follow what's happening, you can see that 34 counts would not actually be surprising at all, right?

I mean, you have the former CEO of the National Enquirer, David Pecker, goes in on Monday, right? And what the reporting suggested there is that one of the things that Alvin Bragg was focused on is this broader scheme that Donald Trump had engaged in leading up to the 2016 election to have this catch and kill scheme with the National Enquirer or whoever to cover up and falsify records to try to erase his heinous and despicable conduct, right? So there's the McDougal, for example, the McDougal affair that he had where the National Enquirer paid her, paid McDougal $130,000. So to me, when I look at that, you're approaching the 2016 election. The National Enquirer for a candidate is paying $130,000 to McDougal to buy her story to cover up the affair. why would they be doing that? Just out of love or because

they thought there would be a quid pro quo if Donald Trump were to be elected. So to me, that's why that's kind of obviously like that $130,000, that sounds like an illegal campaign donation, right? Which isn't reported if you were to engage in that type of payment as a service to Donald Trump. Oh, and by the way, they prepared fake invoices for services rendered regarding the $130,000 to Michael Cohen. Here we now have the statement attributable to a spokesperson in the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. And here's what it says. This is breaking right now over the wire. The Manhattan District Attorney's Office spokesperson is saying the following. This evening, we contacted Mr. Trump's attorney to coordinate his surrender to the Manhattan

District Attorney's Office for arraignment on a Supreme Court indictment, which remains under seal. Guidance will be provided with the arraignment when the arraignment date is selected. Let me just read that one more time because that is one of the most powerful historical statements in the history of our country. A statement attributable to a spokesperson at the Manhattan District Attorney's office, quote, this evening we contacted Mr. Trump's attorney to coordinate his surrender to the Manhattan DA's office for arraignment on a Supreme Court indictment, which remains under seal. Guidance will be provided when the arraignment date is selected. That is exactly what Karen Friedman Agnifilo told us the process and procedure would be when she was on to lead our coverage this evening.

When they talk about the Supreme Court, just to let you know about New York procedure, Supreme Court in New York is not their highest court. The Supreme Court is not their highest court the supreme court is actually their trial court that would be like the main criminal court the main civil court where trials take place is called the supreme court then you have appellate divisions then their supreme court in new york is called the court of appeals i think they do that just to confuse everyone but when they're referring to the Supreme Court, that is the case where the trial actually would be held. That's their trial court

level. So what they're saying is Donald Trump doesn't even know necessarily, he doesn't know what the counts are because it is under seal. When Donald Trump surrenders, he will then learn. That's how the process happens, as Karen Freedman Agnifilo explained. Then Donald Trump will learn the specific counts that he is being charged with concurrent with his surrendering, and then he will be booked. He will be arrested. He will have his mugshot taken and he will be treated like the criminal that he is. He will go through the process that other individuals who are criminally charged go through. That is the process that will take place. But what a historic statement. Now going back to, well, let me pause there. I mean, we got to take that in. I can't just skip that. So Brett and Jordy, as you see that statement, it doesn't get more real than the spokesperson from the Manhattan District Attorney's Office confirming. the office um you know uh like you're not even worth my my time right now donald trump get ready

and you know we're at a point right now where donald trump is now you know continuing to post his deranged posts and he should know even though he has not been read his miranda rights at this stage that donald trump does have the right to remain silent uh thankfully for us, he lacks the ability to remain silent, which will only work against him in this case. It's really just a historic moment. I think we all have to just sit back for a second and really take it in. And as we take it in, I think things are starting to get really real, as Geordie said, for Donald Trump, for the family. I think they're going from shock and awe to just not even knowing what to do. We're seeing a comment right now from Donald Trump Jr. freaking out, saying, we all know, this is a tweet,

we all know that the rhinos are secretly happy about the indictment. Well, everyone who doesn't like Trump is a rhino at this stage. So, yes. But the fascist left won't stop with Trump. They're power hungry and will do anything to crush their political opponents. If we're ever going to save our country, the entire GOP needs to finally figure that out. Once again, just such incredible projection from Don Jr., from the Trump family at large, from all these people in the Republican Party who try to act like this is at all politically

motivated. Remember, Alvin Bragg did not do this. A grand jury of regular New Yorkers voted this. They saw the evidence. They're the only ones who saw all the evidence and they made their decision and they voted based on that. So they could do their anti-Semitic attacks. They could blame the Jews like they like to do. It's George Soros' fault. They could do racist attacks against Alvin Bragg all they want. A jury, almost two dozen jurors saw the evidence.

They made their decision. And this is the result. And now Donald Trump needs to live with the consequences. He may be the first president, first former president in history to be indicted. But this is only the first indictment for Donald Trump trump of many and we are going to see more so i just hope the folks also out there who kept saying you know and i and i understand you know i'm not going to knock you but all the people who said believe it when i see it believe it when i see it believe it when i see it it's never going to happen it's never going to happen as we now navigate along the way from this indictment any any superseding indictments after this to Georgia to the federal cases against Donald Trump that are being overseen by Jack Smith, I hope now that we all kind of are getting a taste and a lesson in the process of what's going on and how these things might not always work on our timeline, but that they do work, that justice

truly does matter at the end of the day. And I want to talk about time. I just want to say this real quick. These statements that we see from the family, from these MAGA fascist influencers, because that's what this whole right-wing echo chamber has become, they're only going to get more deranged. They just will. They'll all look to one up each other's most deranged statement. It's going to be complete lunacy in the coming days. So please subscribe right now to the Midas Touch channel because we're here to navigate through all this craziness because the legacy media is going to treat this as they always treat things like, oh, but the left said this and the right said this. It's not where we are. And that's why so many people come to the stream and watch and join on with the network

and join the community because they're pissed at being gaslit and they just want to know the facts of what's happening. And that's why it's amazing that we've had Karen on here to be able to just lay out the evidence and the data and just to point people into the direction of what the tea leaves were saying. Yeah. And here's the thing. We're not funded by any outside investor. No. I think that's important for people to know. So if you want to help support this network, one of the ways you do that is by going to

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that's patreon.com slash Midas touch and check that out right there. In terms of all of the cases that Donald Trump now is going to be dealing with, in addition to this criminal indictment, right? Next month, he has the E. Jean Carroll civil rape and defamation trial that's set to go to trial in federal court on April 25th. The federal judge, Judge Kaplan, ordered an anonymous jury there based on Donald Trump's threats directed at judges and prosecutors and lawyers and jurors. So that's going to trial. Donald Trump is going to testify there. That's not going to be delayed. That's going to trial. Then October 2nd or 3rd of 2023, you have New York Attorney General Letitia James civil fraud lawsuit, which is seeking

at least $250 million in damages against Donald Trump, his adult children, and the Trump organization, likely in the billions of dollars. and also seeks an injunction which would stop Donald Trump and his adult children from conducting business in the state of New York, effectively shutting down the Trump organization. That's set to go to trial. And the judge has said it's Judge Arthur and Goran in. We'll test our knowledge. New York Supreme Court, because that's the trial court, who said it is etched in stone. Come hell or high water, we are going to trial the first week of October 2023. Donald Trump tried to continue that case by six months. So those two trials are set to go within the next nine months. You'll have

both of those two trials. You have special counsel Jack Smith continuing his criminal investigation at the federal level. We've got two grand juries, at least two grand juries, criminally investigating Donald Trump. That special counsel Jack Smith is providing evidence before. One investigating criminal election interference. The other obstruction of justice and Donald Trump's theft of thousands of government records, including top secret and classified records, his concealment, mutilation and obstruction of justice there. objections defeating former Vice President Pence's objections under the speech and debate clause where Pence was trying to claim he should be treated as a senator and his conduct was legitimate legislative activity. So that moves on. Then you go south, you've got Fawnie Willis, the Fulton County District Attorney's criminal investigation there. We have the special grand jury, which already prepared a report,

which likely includes the recommendation of Donald Trump to be criminally indicted. Next, a grand jury there would have to criminally indict there for election interference, the same way that there was a grand jury that criminally indicted Donald Trump in New York, right? So special counsel, Jack Smith, you got the Manhattan District Attorney, you got Fulton County, you got the New York Attorney General, you got E. Jean Carroll. You also have criminal investigations out of the Southern District of New York for potential crimes and money laundering through Trump media there. And there's two different criminal investigations at a federal court, SDNY, for potential criminal conduct by Trump media.

And that's only the cliff note version of all of the cases that Donald Trump is involved in. We now have Karen Freeman Agnifilo back with us. And Karen Freeman Agnifilo has some updates that we're going to share with everybody here and some new important updates that Karen Friedman Niffalo is getting. Everybody remember, Karen Friedman Niffalo used to be the number two deputy in the entire Manhattan District Attorney's Office, and she served as the acting Manhattan District Attorney. You don't have someone with more knowledge about the inner workings of the Manhattan

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Karen, what are you hearing? So what I've learned is that this is a 34-count indictment and that it's mostly, if not all, falsifying business records charges as we anticipated. Now, what we don't know is, does it include both the, well, it's an election interference theory, right, that he interfered with the election few minutes says this is the biggest case of election interference in the history of this country. And so, you know, that's how, you know, because because unfortunately, since this is a sealed indictment, we don't know. We can't see what it says yet. So until we see it, until we know what it says, he's going to go out on offense and try to turn this into, no, you're the election interferer, not me. You know, it's, it's whatever I'm, you know, I'm rubber and you're glue kind of thing, right? I mean, that's just who he is. He's like a child. Anyway, so he is, this is going to be an election interference case.

So remember, there were 11 different payments made regarding false business records. And we've always said that we anticipate at least 11 charges, one for each business entry record, you know, where he says this is a legal retainer when there was no legal retainer. We always thought each time that there was a false business record, it would be its own charge. So, and the fact that there's 11 of them, 11 times three is 33, you know, we always said there would be multiple charges per entry or per payment, because under different theories, right? One could be under tax theory. One could be under election interference theory, you know, because don't forget what makes this a felony

is if you are intending to conceal a crime when you make that false business entry. And so it makes sense, you know, in my mind, and this is pure guesswork, just guess, but we'll see when we see the indictment is that it's going to be, the reason the number's 34 is because there's 11 different payments and they're going to have multiple charges, let's say three charges per payment, which is 33, and then one charge of conspiracy, right? And the conspiracy is an important charge, not because it's a serious charge or a high charge. In fact, I think it's even a misdemeanor here. But what the conspiracy gives you, if it's in the indictment, is it gives you the ability to give what's called a talking indictment or a speaking indictment. Indictments are usually

just bare bones. And what it says is on or about, you know, March 31st, you know, 2016, the defendant in the county of New York did X, and that's it, right? It's very bare bones. It just gives the legal language, and it doesn't give a description of what happened. But in this case, I think it's going to be very important because there's so much scrutiny on this case, and because the American people here want to know what this case is about and want to say that it's, you know, they're trying to say, oh, this is just Michael Cohen. This is the word of Michael Cohen. Michael Cohen's been convicted of lying. I think there's going to be a lot of evidence in this case and a lot of corroboration and witnesses we don't even know about yet. And so what the talking

indictment or the speaking indictment is going to do, it's going to allow Alvin Bragg to talk about the conspiracy. It's going to talk about who the conspiracy was with. Was it with Michael Cohen? Was it with David Pecker? Was it with other people that we aren't even aware of? And a conspiracy charge has overt acts, right? So those are all the acts in furtherance of the conspiracy. And all those acts, those will be the facts of the case. On this date, he did this. On this date, he did that. On this date, he tried to interfere with the election when he did X, Y, and Z.

On this date, he also tried to interfere with the election. We know he knew about it with, you know, Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels and all of the different things that Alvin Bragg is going to want to be sure that he can get into evidence and that a defense attorney can't make a motion in limine and say, you know, I want to keep this evidence out. It's not part of the charge. You're going to want to get everything in there. And so I think Alvin Bragg is going to potentially charge in conspiracy with overt acts that talk about all the different pieces of evidence he's going to want to make sure he can bring in at trial. So the only thing I think the only thing I know for sure is that this is a 34 count indictment.

I think that's I got that on very, very good source. But the other stuff is just me surmising and reading tea leaves and saying what I think is possible. But until we see the actual indictment, we won't know. So that's the breaking news. The other thing that we learned tonight is that Donald Trump doesn't even know. He was told that he was indicted. He has not seen a copy of the indictment, which is normal. And he's being treated like every other defendant. And that he was taken by surprise. He did not have warning. He did not know about this and and that he was taken by by surprise.

So so those are those are a couple of of new facts that have come out. The other thing that has come out since I was on before, and maybe you guys talked about this already, is several governors have said they will not extradite him if he decides to not come voluntarily. So he's either going to voluntarily surrender, which he should, or what has to happen is the governor of New York has to apply for essentially an arrest warrant and ask Governor DeSantis if he's willing to sign that and extradite him the way they do any time any you know the whole country every state has extradition treaties with each other uh for this reason and it's an extra it's it's the interstate agreement on uh detainers and and this is uh this is how all all states deal with the fact that you know if you commit a murder in one state and you flee to another state you can get arrested in that state and if you don't waive extradition, then the governor of one state has to request the governor of the other state who then will transport you

after a hearing. And so this is a common mechanism. Well, Governor DeSantis has already come out and said he will not cooperate in extraditing Donald Trump if it comes to that. And OK, that that is sort of a big deal. It's highly unusual. But then Donald Trump is going to be landlocked because the minute he goes to another state, unless that same governor also disagrees and won't do it, then, you know, won't extradite him, then he's stuck. So it'll be interesting to see which governors come out and which ones don't, and whether Donald Trump only spends time in red states and doesn't go to any blue states because he could get arrested there and extradited. So we'll see. He's saying that he thinks he's going to be arraigned sometime next week while they make

security arrangements. We've also seen increased security around the courthouse and around the DA's office and around Alvin Bragg himself. And so, you know, that's where we are now. I think it's really important because he's coming out and saying that this is election interference. I think it's very important that when we talk about this, we frame it as what it is. It's not a hush money porn star case. It's an election interference case where a sitting president 11 times committed a crime by falsifying business records in the Oval Office. And that's significant. That's serious. And it's certainly worth bringing. It's worth bringing. So that's what I have for all of you.

Well, we appreciate the update, Karen. And look, Donald Trump, let's all remember, is a civil defendant in the civil rape and defamation trial by E. Jean Carroll, which is set to go to trial April 25th as a party. He's going to be under subpoena to have to show up there. He's then also a defendant in New Yorkork attorney general letitia james case as well october 2nd of 2023 where his entire business is on the line and so if his plan is to hide like the coward that he is in florida it also has those ramifications on his money as well. But it does speak to also the complete and utter lawlessness, the lack of respect for law and order of people like Ron DeSantis, who are just full-fledged fascists. And there's no other way to talk about it.

Karen, I know you have to go. Final words before we thank you for your time. Yeah, so I think it's really important that that's a point that you bring up is the civil rape case in less than a month he's going to be on trial for rape okay i call it civil rape criminal rape the only difference there is the punishment he's on trial for rape and that is a big deal and i think more people have to also be talking about that that we are going to have a former president on trial for rape. And the reason it's a civil rape or it's a rape case is although it happened in the 70s, there's something called the Adult Survivors Justice Act, which is a one-year look back that New York

recently passed that from November of 2022 to November of 2023, no matter when a sexual assault occurred, you have one year to, if the statute of limitations has run, to bring that case. And so, so that's what's happening right now is, is a rape trial. So that'll be, that'll, I think, be very interesting. And, and he's, you know, he's got a lot going on and a few more arrests that I think are going to be happening in short order. So thanks for having me. Karen, thank you so much for your time. Karen Freeman, Agnifilo, co-host of Legal AF.

We so appreciate your time. Karen used to basically run the Manhattan District Attorney's Office for 30 years, and she was the number two deputy there on the entire Manhattan District Attorney's Office. Just one point of clarification, the civil rape allegation by E. Jean Carroll, she alleged it occurred in 95 or perhaps 1996 at the Bergdorf Goodman. And the adult survivors statute in New York gives this one year look back period for survivors of sexual assault to bring their claims. Thank you very much, Karen Friedman Agnifilo. And so here we are at the Midas Touch podcast on this incredibly historic day. The Manhattan grand jury has voted to criminally indict Donald Trump, the first time in American history where a former president, or even though he disgraced that title, was indicted criminally and criminally charged.

There has been confirmation, of course, by a spokesperson from the Manhattan District Attorney's Office who confirmed in a very short statement, Donald Trump and all of the MAGA Republican cult followers have all put out various statements as well. Michael Cohen has put out a statement as well, basically saying that this is the process of justice and due process will now take its course. The MAGA cult followers all putting out really weird statements. of justice and due process will now take its course. The MAGA cult followers all putting out really weird statements. Lauren Boebert just posting photographs

of herself with Donald Trump. "'We got your back, Mr. President.'" Like he's not the president. You don't get stranger than that. And we've been going through here on this broadcast the various statements that have been made by Fox and, you know, you know, everything from the juvenile where people like Jesse Waters are calling Alvin Bragg fat, and they think that that's an approach that makes sense. It's just,

you know, juvenile. And I guess it's what's come to be expected from the MAGA Republicans. And I don't know if we have this clip, though. This is just from the Tucker show. And this is Tucker saying that this is going to be much greater than anything we saw on January 6th, a direct a direct call to violent thug fascists in this country to commit another horrendous act i mean tucker carlson should go to jail like let's be clear tucker carlson is one of the biggest traitors in the history of our country here let's play this clip from his broadcast and no matter what your politics that's exactly right if you believe in our system and you want it to continue, you have to raise your hand and say stop because this is too great an assault on our system, much greater than anything we saw on January 6th. That's for

sure. Knows exactly what they're doing there. And then you go to Trump's social media page and you see all the statements flooding in from these cultists. Right? Remember, there was once a time, right, you know, when there was objective truths and, you know, criminal conduct would be condemned on a bipartisan basis. I mean, let's talk about this is, this is Donald Trump's, it is his falsification of business records in connection with a sexual encounter he had with a porn star and then paid the porn star off $130,000. He continually degrades her and calls her horse face. And you have MAGA Republicans, a political party, running to Donald Trump's side. And that is unforgivable, would be putting it as a understatement. And it should not be political for me to condemn the utterly disgusting and depraved behavior of Donald Trump, his attempt to overthrow our democracy, his spreading of conspiracy theories to undermine a free and fair election.

Here, we will pull up this post by Donald Trump here. They keep coming in. He goes, they only brought this fake, corrupt corrupt and disgraceful charge against me because I stand with the American people and they know that I cannot get a fair trial in New York. Let's bring in our next guest and Midas Touch contributor, Dina Dahl to the show. Dina, I want to welcome you to the Midas Touch podcast. And I want to talk about this post that Donald Trump just made moments ago before you just joined us, already basically setting up the loss, right? Already setting up the conspiracy, saying they only brought this fake, corrupt, and disgraceful charge against me because I stand with the American people and they know that I cannot get a fair trial in New York.

Right. He's saying I'm going to lose and then blame it on New York. That's where he's going with this as a as a lawyer. What do you think about this? I mean, first, it's typical for him, right? He's always the victim. But as always, he always has a little bit of a kernel of truth. And here's the thing. It's all about the jury. He's going to ask for a jury trial, right? He has a constitutional right to it. He doesn't have to have a jury trial.

He could ask for a judge trial. But we know him where he's going to ask for a jury trial. And then the question is going to become, will there be 12 people who are willing to convict him? So his tweet is already saying, you know, New York, they're too liberal. They're not going to be willing to acquit me. He's already gone straight to the issue because as although the indictment is historic and amazing and exactly how it should be because nobody is above the law. An indictment and a conviction are very, very far apart, especially in a situation like this. Will there be 12 jurors?

I mean, even if they're a Democrat, will there be 12 jurors willing to convict a former president? That's a really tough question. I mean, I'm a trial watcher. That's what I do. I analyze trials all the time. And it's really tricky in situations where there is somebody in a small town, let's say, and they're up for a crime and everybody knows that family. Look at the Murdoch trial. Everybody knew that family. They knew him before the murders and they know him after. That jury is going to look at that crime differently than 12 people who had never known the person at all. So there's impossible for him not to have 12 people who have some sort of opinion on him.

Now, it's OK for people to have heard about this case, by the way. Jurors are allowed to have heard the case, details of the case. They are just asked by the judge, are you willing to put aside any opinion you may have formed by the news to be able to decide the case based on the facts that you hear. Now, they are going to have to have a massive jury pool in this case. I mean, Harvey Weinstein was also, you know, went to trial in New York. That was a huge case at the time. They had a huge jury pool. So in situations like this, he's not the first well-known person to be in a criminal trial. We know how to handle it. How you handle it is have a really large jury pool in order to weed out both sides, to weed out jurors for all sorts of reasons, including and probably most importantly

here, will they be willing to set aside the opinion? I think that's going to be really tricky. Are you going to get somebody who's maybe pro-Trump who's going to say, yeah, I could set aside the opinion and that one juror can be the holdout and make him acquit? These both sides are going to have to do such a good job in what we call the, you know, voir dire, the jury questioning in order to get 12 people who are really going to look at the case as is and not have somebody who is going to, you know, be a holdout and want to be on this trial because they want a quick Donald Trump. I think that should be a real fear of the DA. And it's going to take like really sophisticated questioning on their part in order to weed people like that out.

My question to the attorneys out here is, when you talk about the jury and you speak about how difficult it is to find a jury, where my mind immediately went was to the case against the trump organization and in that case as we saw what was that criminal case the criminal case against trump organization as we saw how the jurors felt about donald trump in that case as we saw how they felt about donald trump's attorneys from all that we, from all that was reported, utter disgust of Donald Trump and of the tactics that Donald Trump tried. So in a way, I wonder if Alvin Bragg almost watched that, almost let that go as a trial run, so to speak, as he built this case going after Donald Trump himself. And I wonder if you

think at all that that case could be at all reflected and obviously that he got a conviction on what, guys? It was 17? 17 counts in about nine hours. So it was about boom, boom, boom. You don't get quicker than that. I love Dina's view. And then I can share for you what my thought is. Yeah. I mean, I think that would have made a lot of sense if he had used that, because we know that prosecutors don't want to ever lose, right? I mean, if you've ever met a prosecutor, the first thing they'll say is their record. You know, they want to be undefeated or they want to not lose many cases. So I do think he probably thought that the atmosphere was at least viable for him to get a conviction. And it's true because we know that because the indictment came out.

These were regular Americans who voted to indict. And that is a good kind of barometer for the D.A. because he was able to get a majority to vote. And so, you know, that's some good news. We don't know the exact count. That would be more revealing. Was it unanimous? How close was it? But that at least is helpful for him to think that he could potentially get a jury pool who would be willing to convict Donald Trump. And I agree. And Brett, to your point, I think that was exactly Alvin Bragg's strategy. I think rather than try to hit the grand slam from the outset, which would frankly be the financial

frauds, the 10 years of defrauding tax authorities, right? That's the one where you had Carrie Dunn and Mark Pomerantz on, and Alvin Bragg did not want to pursue that one first. What I had always been arguing here is that I just thought it was more of a timing thing. And so first go after the Trump organization where the stakes are a little bit less high, just because the New York legislature has a law that says the max fine is like $1.6 million. A corporate defendant doesn't get to go to jail, but you got Allen Weisselberg to go to Rikers for not an insignificant period of time, but not a significant period of time. So you got the CFO to plead guilty.

You got your first win against the Trump organization, and then you kind of climb the ladder and you learn a lot from that. You speak to the jury after in many ways as a trial lawyer, seeing that's almost like getting like a jury before the trial that you call in to kind of do a trial run of the trial before it takes place to get a sense of how different jury pools would react in terms of what your presentation is. So you saw how a jury reacts to Trump and Trump's lawyers. And the overwhelming statement that came out of that trial against the Trump organization was, why isn't Donald Trump here? We wanted to criminally

convict him because he was clearly inextricably intertwined in this. So then if I'm Bragg, you then go up one level. You still don't go to the financial crimes case yet. The big one about Donald Trump fraudulently making fake valuations relative to the appraisals and gaming all these tax authorities and engaging in all this criminal tax fraud cases. Let's go do this next one, which is a discreet act. Let's focus on the hush money payments, right? Let's focus on the fraudulent financial documents there. And look, when you put this case in front of a jury, right, what are they going to hear about?

They're going to hear leading up to the election, while Donald Trump's wife just gave birth to their first kid together. He had sex with a porn star. Donald Trump's defense is going to make him look even more of a liar by claiming he never had an affair or didn't have sex and repeatedly calling her horse face. By the way, you better believe the district attorney is going to show all of those posts where he calls her horse face. Let's think about any jurors reaction to that, him calling a where he calls her horse face. Let's think about any juror's reaction to that. Him calling a woman like that a horse face repeatedly is like a disgusting thing to do

and saying no affair. And they clearly had a sexual relationship. And then you talk about Donald Trump's other sexual relationships that he tried covering up with catch and kill schemes with the National Enquirer. I think by the end of opening statements, if a jury doesn't vomit, if a jury doesn't vomit, I would be surprised with that. And then you prosecute that case. By the way, with this being a felony, and that's what we all believe it's charged as, and we all believe there to be 34 counts now, Donald Trump could serve about four years in prison. He'd probably do less than that if he's ultimately convicted, but that's real jail time, though, at stake here. Meanwhile, what's going on in the background? New York Attorney General Letitia James, she's been pursuing the civil fraud case

based on Donald Trump's financial fraud, right? That goes to trial in September. The statute of limitations on that isn't going to run anytime soon because Trump's been engaged in an ongoing scheme. So now Alvin Bragg gets to watch what goes on there, see the discovery process there. And then as he climbs the ladder, I think we'll either see a superseding indictment, although if you can't do a superseding indictment on this one, a whole new indictment. I think there could be another grand jury on the financial fraud claims. I just think that Alvin Bragg, as a tactician, as a strategist, being patient, which frustrated a lot of people though, wanted to line this up in a very organized way versus to your point, Dina,

if you just went with the grand slam case and then you put that in front of a jury and you didn't climb it methodically, the issues that you raise become realities. But I think that's how he tried to factor in exactly what you said to do this methodically. And for all the people who were out there and pretty much rallied on by large media networks that were feeding false narratives. Like, I think you want to have, I think you want methodical and careful versus just taking, you know, you know, big swings. That's my own view. What's your view, Dina? I mean, I agree. I think from a legal strategy that made so much sense politically, I think it kind of hurts because now he's an announced candidate. If they had done this a year ago, they couldn't use this argument, which we're already hearing from the GOP that they're just now this is an attack on somebody who wants to become president. And this is about not making

him president. Whereas if he had done this, I mean, this, I think, should have been done a long time ago. This happened before he even became president. There's plenty of time to do this. I think you're right that hopefully his kind of methodical approach will at least garner a conviction. But now it becomes so much more political since he's announced his candidacy. And for that, it is disappointing. I want to read this statement from Donald Trump's lawyer who lost the case. And the jury said they absolutely hated her presentation. Susan, I don't want to butcher her last name, but I'll just say Susan Nichols. I think it's Nichols. Nailed it, bro. Nailed it. All four variations. Perfect. Trump attorney Sunni Nicholas says that, you know, I'm bad at names. I'm like, last name.

Here's the thing. You're bad at like semi easy names. All right. Get into the statement. Get into it. Thanks, Brett. Okay. Trump attorney, Susan Nicholas, says that former President Trump is expected to be arraigned on Tuesday. So for those, you know, wondering whether or not, you know, you know, the Trump DeSantis, you know, he's going to just hide in Florida, you know, with with DeSantis, that's not going to happen. And one of the reasons I thought that's not going to happen, Dina, is because Trump has a lot of other legal trouble

that comes up in the next few months, right? He's got the E. Jean Carroll civil rape and defamation case that's set to go to trial April 25th. So he has to be in New York or else he's going to lose millions of dollars just by not showing up. So his money is the most important thing to him. So he has to show up in New York at some point. And then October 2nd, you have New York Attorney General Letitia James civil fraud lawsuit. He's going to have to show up again there. If he ever wants to go to Bedminster and play, you know, golf, he's going to have to leave Florida at some point. And there's going to be governors who aren't lawless. And the moment he's there would would extradite him. And I kind of hope for I my wish is that the two of them kind of like fight each other to the end. And so I'm hoping this doesn't create some

sort of alliance between the two, because DeSantis is not done. He probably also realizes that Trump is going to show up in New York for the civil suit. And he threw that out there. I think it would create some sort of like constitutional crisis, actually, if he really did refuse to extradite him. Because, you know, there has to be some way of kind of forcing one state to do it. I don't know, that would definitely be like a first impression issue. But I don't think that would be the end of it. I don't think it would be okay to Santa says and allow it. We're just, you know, in a way, there might be some other officer there who would be willing to do it. And then whether or not that officer had authority, I could see this getting really interesting and not being a complete dead end if DeSantis didn't do it.

But I think you're right. He's going to show up with a civil suit. The money is the big thing. And he's going to say that he is not afraid and that he wants to fight this. And most people do always say demonstrated like when you are in the cult, right? If you live in North Korea, you know, Kim Jong-un is not going to lose the election to Kim Jong-un's lieutenant, right? Like DeSantis is part of the MAGA cult. He's not going to lose to the cult leader, Donald Trump, and he can't even say anything bad about the cult leader. So it's a really good point you raised because what it seems like DeSantis knew Donald Trump, and he can't even say anything bad about the cult leader. So it's a really good point you raise because what it seems like DeSantis knew Donald Trump was going to go to New York anyway. So it's just basically a way to kind of tap out, right? To basically be like,

you're my boss. You're my boss. You own me, Donald know, and I could go on more about those analogies, but I will keep it there. Dina Dahl, thank you so much for joining us. And we hope to see you more here on the Midas Touch Network. Thank you. Thank you so much, Dina Dahl, everybody. A great panel of guests here. What a show today. What a show.

A superstar panel. Ben, let me get this in real quick on the DeSantis thing. Brett, when we read that post, whenever we read it, man, just ultimate McCarthy coward vibes to me when you're reading that DeSantis statement on how he's not going to extradite Trump. To Dina and Ben, your point here, I think DeSantis already knows, hey, it's not going to come down to me. I don't have to be the decision maker. I saw what happened, DeSantis. I saw what happened when I went against Trump a little bit and how that played to the MAGA base and how I was almost an outcast. So let me try and split the difference here now and act like I'm defending the

guy. Yeah, that's my strategy here as DeSantis. But ultimately, all it shows is once again, Ron DeSantis is one of the single biggest cowards in government. I mean, how pathetic. He had actually a moment here too to show some courage. But instead of that, because we all know he's courageless, he's a coward, he's going to always back down to Trump. And so that ultimately – and the MAGA base. And that's ultimately what we see from that statement. I mean, you don't get more pathetic than that DeSantis statement. Jardy, it's the catch-45, as I say.

It's not a catch-22. It's the catch-45. You act surprised every time I say it. I've said it a bunch of times. Ooh, good name. I like to make – I like to encourage you. I love the hype though. I love that you are my hype man. Wait, say it again.

Jordy, I'm just thinking right now, it's kind of like a catch 45. Ooh, good one, Brett. So, I mean, DeSantis has nowhere to go. DeSantis has boxed himself in because like you said, Jordy, you were 100% spot on. He has boxed himself in with the cult. And this is a guy who wants to run for president, who needs to be his own independent person if he ever wants to have a chance of winning the Republican nomination. But at the same time, he cannot win the nomination at all if he is not completely subservient to Donald Trump. And you cannot do those two things at

the same time. You cannot be your own man, your own candidate, and simultaneously be subservient to Donald Trump every step of the way. And when you give Donald Trump that power over you, you are basically just admitting, oh yeah, he's the leader of the party. I'm just some whatever loser over here. And that's what DeSantis with this statement. That's why I read DeSantis statement as just incredibly weak, just very, very, very, very weak. And all these Republicans, I mean, you know, it's just you go through the litany of responses that we have seen tonight. And as we said, they are just bending over backwards in just a very bizarre, cultish, weird manner. And the House Judiciary GOP run by Jim Jordan, we touched on some of their comments earlier, but it just keeps getting weirder and weirder, everybody. I mean, here's the

House GOP's latest post. They put this out. He never backed down for you and underneath that post they have an ominous video of donald trump with music walking and silhouettes uh you know like one of these trump style uh campaign videos that is actually from uh the the uh donald trump uh white house account the archived white house account just Just very, very peculiar. This is Jim Jordan, yeah? This is Jim Jordan rage tweeting? Yeah, this is utterly bizarre. You know, I'd say it doesn't get weirder than Jim Jordan, but it does for the GOP. I mean, just a class of their own, just deranged lunatics. And like we said before, the statements that we're going to see come out, they're going to keep trying to one-up each other. So it's just going to get more and

more unhinged. Subscribe right now to the Midas Touch Network right here on YouTube. It's free. Go ahead and do it. And we're here to just be here with you along this process. It's been a wild ride. It's a wild day. It's going to be another wild couple of days, weeks, months, all leading up to the next election. So make sure you're here with us every step of the way. Absolutely. Well said, Jordy. And this is a moment where, like Karen Friedman Agnifilo said on the show, we need to stand our ground for the rule of law here. You have a house committee, a house committee, a house committee. Just think about that. Being as lawless, as fascist, as craven and opportunistic as them. It's absolutely disgusting to see the sheer projection from people like Don Jr. who are going, this is political and look,

they're coming for you next because it's all political. They're going to come after the rest of their political enemies. Don Jr.'s dad led a rally the other day around the theme of retribution against his political enemies. That was the theme, retribution. He did another rally where he put his hand over his heart and saluted not to the national anthem of the United States of America, not to do the Pledge of Allegiance. He pledged allegiance to the January 6th terrorists with the January 6th choir theme song. These are the people that we're dealing with.

This is really lawless stuff. And everything that they try to accuse the other side of is exactly the behavior that they engage in. So like Jordy said earlier, also look out because the gas lighting is going to be turned up to 11. It's going to keep happening. They're going to get more and more and more deranged, but that's why it's so important that you're here to continue to push back. It looks like we're getting some more commentary in from Donald Trump, which we will post. Oh, here it is. Donald Trump, these corrupt Democrat prosecutors, all from poorly run

and very dangerous Democrat run cities, are not going to choose the Republican nominee or the next president of the United States. Once again, trying to make this about that this is election interference. It's ironic because he's made kind of both arguments here that the Democrats are doing this because they want to take him out of contention in the race. But then his attorney went on TV and said, well, the Democrats do this is actually really going to help him in the race. So they can't seem to get their story straight on this one. And once again, I believe Donald Trump is running an actual campaign and does want to get vengeance and wants

the power of the presidency so he could gut the deep state, as he calls it, and that he could put in his fascist people into positions of power. I believe that is what he wants to do. But I also believe that the reason, the single reason why he declared his candidacy so early is exactly so he could make these arguments. But as the district attorney in Manhattan proved today, he could post on his failing social media app that's under criminal investigations all he wants. But at the end of the day, his words truly don't mean anything as far as preventing him from getting the justice that he deserves you know i like that we don't say uh the name in the social media but i i've renamed it in my head and i forgot

to tell you guys uh pap is just the new is the new name of of his social media so that's social real ones real ones now really absolutely and here here's the thing, Jody and Brett. I think that Americans really do want a system where you have normal political parties engaged in real discussions. And I frankly think that Kevin McCarthy holds no real power right now, let's face it. He may have the title of Speaker of the House, but he's really kind of Donald Trump's lapdog, right? He can't do anything without getting Donald Trump's permission. And if he does anything that deviates from it, he has to run to Mar-a-Lago and he has to get talked down to by Donald Trump. And when Donald Trump acts mean to

him, he has to then change his behavior because he's an utter, complete coward. Ron DeSantis, for all the power that he wanted, it's almost like these kind of, when you go back, it's not a tragedy because these people don't deserve to be called tragic figures at all because they're fascist maniacs. But, you know, you go back to them and it's like, here are people who are so hungry for power, right, that they gave away their soul. And when they finally got the power that they've always craved, they had to listen to this deranged maniac in Donald Trump, tell them what to do. So they never actually had the power that they wanted that the that they thought the position was going to give them. You know, when I thought even, for example, when Kevin McCarthy was being held hostage by the even more extreme fascist in the

mega Republican Party, if he would have arranged a deal and try to come up with kind of centrist Democrats to try to govern from the middle and figure out common sense solutions, even though, frankly, I think the entire Democratic Party at this point, if you look at it and you compare it to Europe or other places, the Democratic Party itself feels like in any other country would be more center or would be viewed as even potentially a center-right party compared to how fascist the MAGA Republicans are. That's just the reality of the American political system. But I think we could come up with solutions, right? Because I think by and large, most Americans, despite Lauren Boebert wanting

to talk about urine and the MAGA Republicans want to talk about Mr. Potato Head and washing machines and gas stoves and just making up weird things about green M&Ms or purple M&Ms or Dr. Seuss or woke or bathrooms or yelling at pronouns. Most Americans look at school shootings happening every day and then see when MAGA Republicans wear AR-15 pins, what are you doing? Like, can't we have common sense gun reform? You're like, can't we have a normal conversation and be like, okay, in the United States military, for the military version of that same weapon of the AR-15, you have to pass tests, and you have to qualify for it, and you have to be trained. But when it comes to civilians, you don't have to follow those basic regulations. And then you have to be trained. But when it comes to civilians, you don't have to follow

those basic regulations. And then you go to the constitution and it says well-regulated and we were supposed to ignore that. I think most Americans are like, what are you talking about? And by the way, it's borne out by the data, like 70%, 75% of Americans want common sense gun reform. So it's not a both sides issue. I think by and large, Americans want to focus on issues like jobs and working conditions and improving people's wages, right? Like focusing on those issues and focusing on making healthcare affordable and accessible. I mean, with all of this Trump news, right, there was a, you know, Republican right wing judge earlier in the day, who basically completely gutted Obamacare, gutted Obamacare.

Each and every day, the MAGA Republicans, the same way they filed lawsuits to block the student debt relief from Biden, they're filing lawsuits each and every day to try to forum shop and get the right judge to judge shop, to gut the Affordable Care Act, to gut Obamacare, to take away your health care, and frankly, to take away the health care of their followers. And that's why they distract with Mr. Potato Head and stoves and all this bullshit, because they're doing really evil things every day. You want to talk about wages. I mean, Democrats are fighting for it to get people like wages with dignity so they don't have to work multiple jobs, but that people can afford a house. MAGA Republicans, not only minimum wage, but like the most minimum wage. And let's get child labor back. I'm not making that up. That's like the law they passed in Arkansas. Like, let's let child labor happen again. That's the legislation that they're pioneering. Democrats are fighting for equality. Oh, the concept that human beings should be treated equally. And MAGA Republicans, woke, woke, woke. Okay. What does woke mean? Woke means like woke.

It's too hard for me to describe. That's moronic. That's completely and utterly moronic. Democrats are fighting so that women can control their own bodies. And people like Jim freaking Jordan and disgusting Matt Gaetz and their whole entire filthy ilk are sending the government to criminalize a woman's right to control their body. You sick, you know, I mean, what disgusting people are these people? And so it's not a both sides issue, right? Like this isn't, oh, everyone's getting just so extreme right now. No, not everyone's getting so extreme. I think the common sense principles that I just discussed with you should be pretty objectively embraced, right? Jobs, infrastructure, health care, education, a woman's right to control her body, common sense gun reform, education, right?

I mean, pretty common sense stuff on every issue. The MAGA Republicans take the most insane side of the issue. Global pandemic, they're basically for the pandemic. They're basically for the pandemic. And if they could be xenophobic about it, they'll combine kind of supporting pandemic conspiracies and being xenophobic at the same time. Terrorists, January 6th insurrectionists for MAGA Republicans, let's create a song with them. Let's congressional delegation to freaking sing a song with them. Are you and I'm supposed to be like me criticizing that is political. Ben Woke. You're such a leftist that you would look at that and go.

And Ben, that's why I think it's so important, too, that we played that Marjorie Taylor Greene fact check earlier and went over that 1990 bill that made gun-free school zones in which it passed the Senate by a voice vote. No one objected. They didn't even have to vote on it. It passed by a voice vote. And then in the House, it passed 313 to 1. Only one Republican voted against gun-free school zones. You put that same bill up today, and you would have it get filibustered. You would have Republicans vote it down.

You would have the entire House GOP vote against it. And we've seen this countless times. We've played the clips on this show before where you look at the, Republican candidate for president, whether it was Ronald Reagan or George H.W. Bush, they were debating the most compassionate way to fix our immigration system. They were speaking about immigration with compassion. Even George W. Bush, and don't get it twisted and say, oh, I'd stop defending Bush. I'm not. But even George W. Bush ran his campaign on what he called compassionate conservatism. Those days are gone. This party is not even a

shell of its former self. This party bears no resemblance to that party. And that party had plenty of problems, plenty of problems. But this party is not even a political party at this point. This party has become a complete and other fascist cult that has zero ideology, except like what Ben said, they pick the dumbest, most extreme position on every single issue, no matter what it is. Pandemics, forum, guns, arm the kids, arm the teachers. It's like you can't even parody these people. They're that far out there. And this is what they're dealing with. And when you ask them and really try to hunker down on what is their ideology, their ideology is to put their hands on their heart and pledge

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