The MeidasTouch Podcast - CheerLEADING for Democracy with E. Jean Carroll

Episode Date: September 10, 2021

On today’s episode of The MeidasTouch Podcast, the brothers sit down with renowned writer, author and journalist E. Jean Carroll. As you know, E. Jean was the writer of the Elle Magazine column Ask E. Jean, which was one of the longest-running advice columns in American publishing history from 1993-2019. In 2019 she published her book, “What Do We Need Men For: A Modest Proposal”, where she courageously shared her experience of being sexually assaulted by Donald Trump in the mid 90s at Bergdorf Goodman. She was terminated from Elle shortly after she shared her truth. Carroll is currently in litigation against Donald Trump after he allegedly defamed her in 2019. After the interview, the brothers cover a handful of the latest news topics, including DOJ suing Texas over its new abortion ban, the Biden administration firing 18 people who Trump appointed to boards (including Kellyanne Conway & Sean Spicer), and the whiny GQP leadership/media ALREADY making excuses if Governor Gavin Newsom were to come out on top after the ridiculous California recall is finished. If you enjoyed today’s episode please be sure to rate, review & subscribe! As always, thank YOU for listening! SUPPORT THE SHOW! Policygenius makes it easy to compare quotes from over a dozen top insurers all in one place. Get started now: https://Policygenius.com Get the latest Meidas Merch at https://store.meidastouch.com! Remember to subscribe to ALL the Meidas Media Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://pod.link/1510240831 Legal AF: https://pod.link/1580828595 Kremlin File: https://pod.link/1575837599 Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://pod.link/1530639447 Zoomed In: https://pod.link/1580828633 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ben, Brett, and Jordi with a great podcast episode for you today. Incredible guest we have, E. Jean Carroll will be joining the podcast. I've been wanting to speak to E. Jean Carroll for so long, and it's going to be so incredible to have her on the pod today. I know the Midas Mighty wanted her on the podcast. Can't wait to have her. How you doing, Brett? How you doing, Jordy? Doing incredible over here. Every time you announce the guest, I am just waiting for Jordy to go, let's go. I literally hear it in my head every time Ben says it,

regardless of whether you say it or not. What I started to do now is I type it in the chat on YouTube instead. You go, let's go LFG. Exactly. I like it. But I want to tell you, I'm excited that we have E. Jean Carroll, but I want to speak directly to the Midas Mighty right now, because I'm a little fired up right now. And I'm fired up because I know we could win in 2022. Okay. I know that we have the power collectively. We have the numbers. There are more people in this country that support democracy than our QAnon wackos who are protesting in front of hospitals and preventing people from going to the emergency rooms. But I'm fired up because we need to stick together and we need to be loud as well

in supporting these values of pro-democracy. You know, I've been seeing some of these polls saying that, you know, from the prognosticators who are saying, well, I think that in 2022, the Democrats are going to lose the House. And they're reporting this like it's a boxing match, you know, like it's a horse race. And what they're not reflecting is that there is a fascist movement out there that wants to take over our government, to take away the right to choose and to literally kill our children. And I want to talk about even California for a second, because you look in California, the media was trying to do the same exact thing they did with Trump,

first with Caitlyn Jenner, then with Larry Elder. They wanted to build up these crazy wackos and put them on par with the governor who may have some flaws, who may have some faults in Gavin Newsom, but at the end of the day, who supports democracy and elevating each psycho wacko to be like this horse race. And it's and it's pissing me off. And fortunately, people have come together. Don't take this California recall for granted at all. The polling is showing that pro-democracy people are coming together, but don't take it for granted at all. And we already hear Larry Elder, Donald Trump, the whole crew, all whining already, voter fraud in California. There's voter

fraud there. They're cheating. They're stealing the election. Fuck you. I'm done with that bullshit over and over again of these whiny motherfuckers who come in here and just whine. They're just fucking whiners and they're losers. And they're out here in California whining about voter fraud. It is ridiculous that we have this whining crowd that exists. Democrats stand together. They really are the whiniest bunch of crybabies I have ever seen. And this is going to be the playbook. This is going to be the playbook that they run through every election that they're going

to lose or that they think they lose or that they lost. They're going to use the voter fraud playbook that Trump used. Now, the thing that brings me comfort about it is Trump lost by following this playbook. While they think that this is red meat to their base for donations, what it actually does is it encourages their own followers not to vote. I'm not saying get complacent. I don't want anybody ever to accuse me of saying not to get complacent. Everybody needs to be fired up and go to the polls. And if you have not turned in your ballot yet in California, do it today. Do it right now. But all this does is it encourages their followers that it's a rigged election. So why even bother voting anyway? Do we have the clip? Yeah, let's

play. This is a compilation of Trump, Larry Larry Elder and Fox News all already saying that California is going to be rigged. Well, it's probably rigged. They're sending out all ballots. It's all the ballots are, you know, mail out, mail in ballots. In fact, I guess you even have a case where you can make your own ballot when that happens. Nobody's going to win except these Democrats. So, you know, look, they're very good. The one thing they're good at is rigging elections. So I predict it's a rigged election. Let's see how it turns out. Courts don't like to overturn an election.

So when you hear of anything suspicious, we've heard a lot of things that have been suspicious so far, go to electelder.com. We're going to sink our lawyers on them, file lawsuits right away. They're going to cheat. We know that. And the only thing that will save Gavin Newsom is voter fraud.

So as they say, stay woke, pay attention to the voter fraud going on in california because it's going to have big consequences not only for that state but for upcoming elections every bad idea originates in california and that just happens to be where kamala's from no coincidence there stay woke tammy is such a clown oh they're all such fucking clubs at least growing up when when the brothers when we would play video games and you guys would beat me in a video game, at least we played the game before I started whining and complaining that you all beat me. You know what I mean? They complained after the fact.

Now they're like minority reporting elections. It's like a broken record. I am personally sick of these sorts of attacks on the democratic process because that's what it is. They are attacks on the democratic process because that's what it is they are attacks on the democratic process itself and They're gonna act like California, which is one of the most securely blue states in the nation with a super majority of Democrats with very liberal policies with One of the best economies in the country if not the number one economy

I think it actually is the number one economy in the country, a top five economy in the entire world, a state that has an economic surplus, yes, a surplus, and they want to attack this state and try to reverse all the progress that we have made, all the progress we have made on the economy, on COVID, on everything. They want all that to go away.

Their solutions to every problem are, oh, COVID, no masks, no vaccines. Let's take it all away. Let's take it all away. Oh, homelessness. Oh, yeah, that's a problem that Gavin Newsom hasn't done a great job with. So what should we do? Build low-income housing? No, let's give more tax cuts to billionaires and millionaires. That'll solve it. That'll do it. All of their solutions exacerbate these problems. Any issue we have, they are trying to make it worse. We need to treat this California election like it's existential for the country because it is existential for the country. And we need to be fired up about this. And I think one of the most disgraceful things about what these Trumpers, what these Fox Newsers are doing is they are now exporting

this loser mindset. They're exporting this idea of fascism to other countries. So while America used to be viewed by many as a beacon of democracy and hope, a place where you'd want to go, a place where your vote matters, now America is being looked at for inspiration for January 6th type events around the world. And the latest that we've seen is this attempted coup that is being currently discussed and planned in Brazil. And of course, who do we see at the center of this January 6th style insurrection attempt? We see the same people who orchestrated January 6th right here in the United States. You have people like Steve Bannon. You have people like Donald Trump Jr. You have

people like Jason Miller actually going to Brazil, trying to go to Brazil, hanging out with Bolsonaro, the leader of Brazil, the president of Brazil and his kids trying to plot ways to keep Bolsonaro in power because his poll numbers are tanking and he's actually expected to lose the election in 2022. They are trying to export that fascism that we have here to Brazil and to other countries around the world. And you have President Bolsonaro already claiming voter fraud with the exact same verbiage as Trump, the exact same verbiage as Larry Elder. And they literally are having a playbook while we have this going on. I don't

know if you saw this. Did you see Donald Trump's statement praising Robert E. Lee? And it was at one incredible commentator. What was it, Jordy? Aaron, what's his name again? Aaron Ruppar. Aaron Ruppar. Yeah, Aaron Ruppar. He was like one insurrectionist praising another insurrectionist. Spot on. It was totally spot on. Bakari Sellers' comment was brilliant also. What did he say?

Bakari Sellers, we had on the show recently, he said, Robert E. Lee was a racist and he was a loser. Donald Trump is a racist and he was a loser. And that was the exact thing I was thinking when this happened. Donald Trump made this wacky statement, and we won't sit here and read it all. Okay, but there's one part that just to show how wacky it is. He says that the removal of Robert E. Lee, a legitimate racist insurrectionist, he goes, our culture is being destroyed and our history and heritage, both good and bad, are being extinguished by the radical left. And we can't let that happen. If only we had Robert E. Lee to command our troops in Afghanistan, this disaster would have ended in a complete and total victory many years ago.

I mean, so a few things. One, there's two aspects of it. The Robert E. Lee part is the most absurd, stupid statement I've ever heard. But a few years ago, Donald Trump was the president too. He ignores that piece from the statement that it would have been changed very few years ago. So he wanted himself to be replaced by Robert E. Lee. I mean, that's a good point. That's a great point. I say this sometimes too on the show. When you find yourselves burning masks, when you find yourselves on the side of defending Confederate soldiers, you're on the wrong fucking side, man.

History remembered. Who said, Brett, this is your favorite quote. History is remembered by the winners. Yeah, it's a quote. It's a quote. Oh, just, just, okay. So it's a favorite quote. Well, we fucking won in 2020. The racist lost both in 1865 and in 2020. So Donald Trump could go fuck himself. Yeah, he went in Afghanistan. Dude, he didn't win in America. He couldn't win here. We beat him. Robert E. Lee is known as the biggest loser in American history, other than

Donald Trump. So yes, it makes sense. He's a loser then, a loser now. Meanwhile, Trump is hosting boxing matches between Evander Holyfield. I mean, Evander Holyfield has got to be, you know, I think significantly past his boxing prime versus Belfort in a pay-per-view. And you text Trump to this phone number and there's this just weird graphic of Donald Trump menacingly looking over Holyfield and Belfort. How do you take someone like this to his base?

How do you even take something like this remotely seriously? And he's doing it on September 11th. He's hosting it on September 11th. Could you imagine? Could you imagine if Obama hosted a boxing match on September 11th? And you know the whole time he's just going to whine about the voter fraud in California. The voter fraud. We won that election.

You know, we won that election. That's all he's going to be saying the entire time. One thousand percent. I could tell you the talking points that we're about to see from the right in the next few days. It's, oh, there's nothing more American than two guys battling it out in a boxing ring. I could guarantee some asshole says that it might even be Trump himself. And he won't even he probably talks about the election being stolen from him for at least 90 percent.

I don't even know. He probably doesn't even know who's boxing. You're so right, though, that how distasteful it is. I didn't even fully realize that it was on September 11th that that fight. And I mean, Brett, did you do that clip where we showed all of the ways like Donald Trump hates America? I know we posted it. Who did that? It's an incredible video. You want to play that video? How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country? How stupid is our country? The U.S. women's soccer team is a very good example of what's going on. Earlier this week, they unexpectedly lost to Sweden 3-0, and Americans were happy about it.

We did the video. You could do watch the longer video on our Twitter account, but it's literally a whole montage of Trump saying how much he hates the United States of America. I want to be clear, Donald Trump legitimately hates America and his followers literally hate the country. There's no other way to say it. They hate what we stand for. Well, you know what I realize every time something like this Robert E. Lee statue incident happens? What I realize is that we are still fighting the civil war in many ways. In many ways, it's almost like a cold Civil War.

And these Trump supporters are the new Confederacy, same as the old Confederacy, but they support the Confederacy over the United States. And they have this weird dichotomy, this weird duality, where at the same time they support the Confederacy, they also wave the American flag, which are two symbols that really run right up against each other. They support the people who went to war with the United States of America. Those are their heroes. Robert E. Lee, the guy who led the army that

killed the most American soldiers out of anybody in history, that's who they support. In other news, Biden has fired at least 18 Trump appointees, including Kellyanne Conway, Sean Spicer, McMaster, and others. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. See you later. And just so people know, these individuals were appointed to various boards. They were appointed to, for example, the Board of Visitors for the Air Force

Academy, Military Academy, Naval Academy. These are basically no-show appointments where these individuals are getting paid to be affiliated with these boards. And they're probably making significant amounts. How much are we paying these people to have these no-show jobs? How much have we been paying Kellyanne Conway, Sean Spicer, H.R. McMaster, all of these people? How much have we been paying them? One of the most despicable things too, and I don't want you to show the whole letter because it's just a travesty, but all these individuals from Spicer to Kellyanne Conway, they're like just whining about being kicked off these boards and being fired. Biden gave him the option to resign or that they would be fired.

And in Kellyanne Conway's letter, she calls herself Honorable Kellyanne Conway as though she was like a like a senator. You weren't a member of the judiciary. You're a liar who came up with the term alternative facts. You're a fucking liar and a fraud. The honorable Kellyanne Conway. Do you have, Brett, the video of Spicer responding? Yeah, should I do the one? Don't play his clip. Yeah, play the one that you made.

Yeah, play the one that we made. I won't ever question how anyone chooses to do that i won't question how you choose to do that jen but don't you dare ever minimize or question my service to this nation you got it these bodies have been free from politics and worked in a bipartisan way until today this administration made them political not one obama appointee on these boards was removed when Trump came in. Not a single one. This move has taken partisanship to a new level. He's an angry elf.

Bye-bye. That's the only way you can watch that. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Brett, your videos are just so good. I just want to know how you connect the thoughts in your mind and how they become a reality. I'll probably have you. We need Brett to be a guest on the Midas Touch podcast. I like that. Right? Let's have Brett be a guest one day. But in the meantime, we have a better guest than Brett. We have E. Jean Carroll, who will be joining the Midas Touch podcast. Can't wait to have her on. We will be right back after these messages with E.G. Carroll.

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in it courageously sharing her experience of being sexually assaulted by Donald Trump in the mid-1990s at Bergdorf Goodman. She filed a lawsuit in New York after Donald Trump defamed her in 2019. That lawsuit is still proceeding in 2019. She was terminated from Elle after sharing her experience. She's written for Vanity Fair, The Atlantic. One of the things, E. Jean Carroll, in my research of you, just how prolific and profound you've been as a writer, which I think needs to be mentioned. We hear your name talked about always, but you have such an incredible writing career. And now you're writing a column on a sub stack, Ask E. Jean. You find that at ejeancarroll.substack.com. It's an honor to have you on the Midas Touch podcast, E. Jean. You find that at ejeancarroll.substack.com. It's an honor to have you on the Midas Touch podcast, E. Jean Carroll. I love this person. I heard that what you were describing. I would

love to meet her. She seems fantastic to me. If only I could be speaking with her right now. Thank you. And that person is you, E. Jean Carroll. And what advice, this is just the question that I have as I read your biography, what advice do you give to someone, though, who sees your career, they see your fight for justice, and they worry, though, if I speak out, what's going to happen to me? Am I going to lose my job? Yes. What's your advice to them? See, what's going to happen to me? You know, am I going to lose my job? What's your advice to them?

See, that's the thing. When we tell women, we don't tell men to speak out. You notice we don't have to do that because men don't need it. When we tell women to speak out, we're telling people who basically have no rights to start with, telling them to make a ruckus. Making a ruckus will get you fired, will drag you through the mud, will ruin your reputation, will take away your right to earn money. It has not worked out well for women. If you look at who's come forward and who's spoken out, those women are not doing very well. You know, you have to negotiate with the power. You have to hire the best lawyer in America. Mary Trump and I both have the same lawyer, Robbie Kaplan. And that's how you deal with it. That's how you speak out.

You need the power of the courts and the law behind you. We saw what happened with Time's Up. We're still alive in Time's Up. We're still telling women to speak out. And I personally tell women to speak out. And I personally tell women to speak out because I, but I always warn them, you're going to get fired if you do. You're going to lose family members if you do. Your children may not talk to you. Your husband may leave you because they can't take the pressure. But it's better than, I guess, shutting up. What do you guys think? Should a woman speak out?

What do you think? You should absolutely speak out. But you do reflect on the consequences of speaking out, which are horrible. There are so many people who write about you, who speak very positively about you in the media. But at the end of the day, it does feel like, whether it's at Elle magazine or otherwise, that you have, to some extent or to the extent, been blackballed from the media, from speaking the truth. So you have people who use your name in a very positive light, but you, the person, aren't writing your column anymore. Do you feel that way? Well, gentlemen, I got my revenge against Elle.

I'm now my sub stack. I'm now making more money because of the subscribers. There we go. The sub stack is great. It gives a writer the sovereignty over their own material. And so I'm back and And it's so long ago. And I noticed a lot of writers are doing that. You know, when Barry Weiss was fired from the times, she went to sub stack, started out. Now the woman is rolling in money. I mean, you know,

Andrew Sullivan was fired from New York magazine, got a sub stack. He can't spend it fast enough. The thing is, they work around the clock, right? These are all hard working. They deserve every penny. It's a great way to take the revenge against the legacy magazines, which had all the power. Well, you guys know this way better than I do. I mean, look what you did. You started your own path. I mean, you started know this way better than I do. I mean, look what you did. You started your own path. I mean, you started it. You just started it.

You just started it. So you know what I'm talking about. The power now goes to the writers and to the podcasters. Wait, can I subscribe to something on your camera? Absolutely. And that's a great plug right now for everybody watching. Hit that little subscribe button for everyone listening to hit that little subscribe button. Subscribe to our YouTube channel, subscribe to the podcast, but it's all free.

Everything we did, it's all free. It's a democratized platform. We basically want to just get our content out to as many people as possible. And that's, that's kind of our whole. Eugene with the assist there on getting new subscriptions. Thank you. I'm very into you know michael moore myself everything i write is free everything you do is free if you

want something special then you pay the subscription right that's right you have a subscription see i'm fascinated by this and every writer who's listening to this is and every podcaster who's listening to this and every podcaster who's listening is also fascinating. So let's get it straight. Everything you do is free. But what is special? Why do we subscribe you, The Minds Touch? Well, because there's no unabashedly pro-democracy media company out there. You know, it's interesting, Eugene.

You know, we started as a pack that did media. Increasingly, what we're becoming is a media company that also has a pack. There's no media companies, as you and I and the brothers, we talk about legacy media. In many ways, Eugene, they created the monster that is Donald Trump by not being unabashedly pro-democracy. And so our message is, we love this country because we love democracy. And we're not going to treat the debate as a debate between Democrats and Republicans when only one party supports truly our Constitution is the Democrats, and another party wants

to kill us. And so do you share those views, though, that the media in many ways created the monster that was Donald Trump and allowed him to get away with it for all of these years and that now that the power is being democratized through your sub stacks, through others, that's the best way to challenge it. What's your view on that? Well, you guys are New York guys. You were born in New York.

Donald Trump, we won't forget this now. You're going to hate hearing this. People who are listening to the podcast, turn it off because I'm going to start to say some very positive things about the dollar. I know. Watch out. Starting in the 80s donald trump became a figure of

just enormous charm there's a word okay in new york city about 1981 i think i found the actual time that he's came out as he was extremely good looking, tall, knew everybody in New York, went to every party, was always spoke to the press. A reporter shows up, somebody, you know, the line of press when you go into a party, he would stop and speak to every single one of them. And by the way, if they didn't quote him, he'd call them the next day and give them a quote. He was very smart. So here's, he was enthralling to the whole city. And the press fucking loved him. Just loved him. Couldn't get enough.

Then he had one woman after another, these beautiful women. They were charming. It went on up until he got the TV show. Then it was doom. It was doom because people actually thought he had all the money that he that they said on the show, which was malarkey. So Donald Trump pretty much created his own Donald Trump thing. The media went along with it for the first 20 years, you know, from 1981 to 2001. And then when he started, you know, the billion with the Forbes thing and the fight with the how much is he a billionaire? That kind of information didn't leak through to the normal person.

New Yorkers sort of thought, no, he's a con man, but he's our con man. And then when The Apprentice came along, that's when the thing changed. That's when the press should have picked up on the fact that he was not really what he said he was. Smoking mirrors. Yeah, you know, look, it was a fascist, scamming, abusing wolf in sheep's clothing because while the media is propping him up, and E. Jean, you've spoke to other women, you know, dozens who have come forward to accuse him of sexual assault during this period. In your conversations with the other women,

what'd you learn and what was kind of the commonality because you, you raise this dichotomy of the media. He's the media's darling, but at the same time, right. But at the same time he's engaging in these heinous, disgusting acts with you and other women behind closed doors that are being covered up. And so what was your, what'd you learn from that experience? Well, they weren't being covered up because women were not speaking out. Women didn't, I didn't say a word about it. You know,

I did not say a word about it. I was born in the silent generation. I was born before World War II. I would never have said anything against a powerful man. It just was not in my nature. Luckily, the new generation coming he ran for president and Anderson Cooper said, there's been some accusations against you. Are they true? And he said, never. I've never done. Remember, he said he denied it three times on Anderson Cooper. And that's what blew the lid off. Too many women saw it. They started coming forward. The New York Times started to run. Jessica Leeds came out. Remember the woman from the airplane in 1979? Jessica Leeds. Then it

started to topple. The women came forward in 2016. I did not. My mother was on her deathbed and I was in Indiana by her side. I was watching the women come forward. But I knew that every woman who came forward in 2016 helped him get elected. The male voters and even the female voters love to hear about a man who's so attractive and so powerful he can have any woman he wants that is a storyline that

people you know makes us sick but many people like to hear about a strong man i'll take that woman i'll take that woman and uh can do with them as he pleases um it's a symbol of the all-powerful man. And he was voted into office probably because of some of the stories of women, what he did to women. I know it's sickening. And you know who told me to watch out for this? George McGovern. Right when Clinton had gotten the nomination to run for president, I had lunch with McGovern, and I said, what do you think about, he called, he said, you mean the bimbos? I said, well, the young women are coming forward about Governor Clinton. He said, it'll help him in the election. It'll help him in the election. It'll help him in the election. And that's, you know, McGovern,

who, you know, lost hideously, has learned a thing or two. So I think they're right. What do you guys say? Do you think it helped him? Do you think women coming forward say he did this, that and horrible? He knocked me around. He grabbed my breast.

Kristen Anderson, he shoved his hand right up the skirt into her vagina. And, you know, she's 23 years old. She couldn't even know who he was. It was unbelievable. But that read well with voters. You know, I think it's horrifying. And I think when you look at the base of people who support him, and hindsight's always 20-20, but when you see that they don't support vaccines, even how outraged they are about health issues and community and where they see themselves as an individual living purely for themselves as opposed to their neighbors. You know, nothing really surprises me about that voter base and the kind

of depths of depravity within that voter base. And, you know, that's why we don't even like to refer to the right wing as conservative anymore. There's nothing conservative about that party. They're a death cult at this point, and death cults worship sick things that I think you allude to. You know, we got to start understanding the people who love him. If we don't understand them, we're going to lose again. You understand that? We have to begin understanding why these people... A lot of the people that voted for Donald Trump liked him because he was a businessman.

We've got to understand that. What do you think? Do you think he's gonna do another run mary trump came on the podcast last loved every second and her analysis of group think the ability of the right wing to inspire fear to convert fear into anger and anger into action is something that we're not doing on the pro-democracy side. And, you know, and you even look at it today, we're talking about this on the podcast before this interview, you know, people are already writing the obituary of the House of Representatives and basically saying the Democrats are going to lose the House. And it's like, be clear when you say that, that you're saying that

a fascist group of anti-democratic wackos are going to take over and they're going to remove women's right to choose like it's in Texas and childbearing person's right to choose like there is in Texas. They're going to try to kill your children the way Governor Death Santas is. We have to message it this way. And your writing, when you go back and look at it, you pulled no punches with your writing and people call it the Gonzo style, but that's the truth. That's speaking, that's observing humanity. And you really had a great instinct and do have a great instinct for the subtleties of humanity. I do. Mankind is so complicated. It is so complicated. As we can see, we're heading towards a theocracy

in the country. We can see it. You guys are shouting. Does shouting do any good? I think you have to be loud. You know, I think what you have to do is the other side's shouting, right? And you have to, people say, are you preaching to the choir? Right. You know, but the choir of people who support democratic values is probably 67 to 70% of the population, but who are very empathetic. So our choir better sing because if our choir ain't singing, we're going to look like the Taliban. Don't you think? Dude, I think we're going to win the house in 2022. I think we're going to look like the Taliban, don't you think? Dude, I think we're going to win the House

in 2022. I think we're going to win it, and I think we're going to win it by more than anybody thinks we're going to win it. That's it. That's it. I think we're going to win it. It's this sort of downcast

fear that we're going to lose it. Olympian runners, swimmers, does Michael Phelps? Do you think when he's getting ready for a race and he's got his earphones up, do you think he's thinking he's going to

lose the race? No! He's going to win the race! See, here's the thing. Democrats can't think we're going to lose. We have to get in to the Olympian brain of Michael Phelps. We've got to put on our earphones and just remember that picture of him with a snarl. You know, that's how we have to look at the, what did you call them? Yeah, the death cult. The death cult.

That's how we have to view them. Yeah. Republicans have such a winner attitude that they still think they won the election. Score. Yeah, the Republicans are that swimmer. The Republicans are the swimmer from the country where the first place swimmer in

that country would like get lapped by Michael Phelps 20 times. And they basically come out and go, Phelps didn't win. That was fraud. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, Democrats need to take their earphones off. You're right. You think Phelps has the earphones and it's like, you fucking loser. You're a loser. You're going to lose this race. That's not what Phelps does. He's visualizing success and that's what the Democrats are doing. You know what? You're male cheerleaders. I love it. Outfit. I think outfits. Have you seen the picture of George Bush? Do you know that George Bush was a cheerleader at Andover? Yeah, I do remember that.

I have seen those photos. You see with the megaphone and the little A on his thing? You know, I think the Midas Touch guys, the fellows, the gentlemen, should have outfits. Totally. That was a big M on it. Don't get our followers started. They're going to start demanding these outfits.

We're going to have to wear them every episode now. No, the mighty. Mighty. Do you hear all these outfits with a big M? With a big M. Yes. This isn't mighty. I like that you have a whole mighty thing behind you. The mightiest mighty is strong. I would argue it's one of the biggest pro-democracy movements out there. And that's what we want to cultivate. Like Ben said, we want this pro-democracy movement to be singing the loudest. While Republicans are constantly preaching to their choir and firing them up over, frankly, bullshit, we want to deliver truth and education and the information that people need to get out there and actually go and vote and make change and make phone calls and do text messages and knock on doors.

You know, that's what we need. We need an active and enthusiastic and positive and inspired base. And that's really our goal, which I think you hit the nail on the head with. How was your text campaign? Are you doing anything? Yeah, you are doing something with the California vote, right? Yeah, we had volunteers over the weekend sending text to voters all around California. We basically took our entire list of everyone who's ever donated to Midas Touch, signed up for our email list, etc. Everybody in the California area, and we reached out to all of them via text, got an incredible response. The companies we worked with who facilitated the text messaging service said they had never seen that sort of engagement back from people other than our followers because we're keeping people engaged. You know, everyone listening to this podcast right now is somebody

who is somebody who is, you know, inspired and we just need to keep that energy going and keep fueling that, that democracy fire, so to speak. So tell me about the Feinstein elder thing. Tell me about that. I heard that. Did I hear that on one of your podcasts yeah well well you know if if something were to happen if worst case scenario either um feinstein resigned or something happened to her by which she couldn't be in office anymore the governor of california is the person who appoints the next senator and so we can't leave that in the hands of a guy like larry elder who will put in the worst possible person for that seat and immediately shift the balance of power without even a vote being cast in the United States Senate.

He has the power to unilaterally shift the entire course of the nation by just becoming governor. So this isn't about California. A lot of people might be saying, why do you push in California? Like I live in this other state. How does it affect me? It affects everybody. It affects all of us as a country. And we all need to be reaching out to everybody we know in California

to urge them, you know, how important this is. I did not know that until I heard this on, did I hear this on your podcast or did I see it on Twitter? Yeah, we talk, we talk about it, but you know, it's probably also on Twitter, probably a combination of all of it. Now that terrified me. That right there just terrified me. I just, and it's just an insurrection, an illegal insurrection to take over California. I mean, to me, it's amazing. Yes. As Stacey Abrams has said about these voter suppression laws that are happening around the country and recall attempts like this is they basically, Republicans failed at the insurrection on January 6th, and now they are taking their insurrection via any sort of legal means they

can through the actual, you know, mechanisms of the government. And that's what we're seeing be played out right now across the country. That's what's happening. They they failed on Jan 6. And now they're trying it, you know, through through changing laws. but here's the thing that i can't remember was it uh was it you or you who said probably me if it's a good thing 60 of the country or 58 of the country believes that women should have the right to choose right uh a majority of the country is not an authoritarian fan. A majority, right? A majority of the country likes democracy.

How can we lose these elections if we get the vote out? How is that? We have the majority are being not being energized and not voting and not showing up. And then one of the other problems is, and I'm sure you've seen this is, you know, Democrats like to point fingers at Democrats and kind of cannibalize each other. Oh, my God. Where's my dog? I need to have him just come in and just start to eat the screen. That just drives me. Well, Mary Trump had the bird come in and go on her head.

So if you had a dog come in and eat your laptop, that will be a viral, that'll be a viral moment for the ages. It drives you nuts though, right? Well, first of all, I'm jealous that Mary Trump's bird came in while she was doing it.

And that, so I said, I'm going to get a bear. I was surrounded with bears. Of course, not a bear has shown up today. But here's, here's the thing. Freud has a quote about that. He calls that the narcissism of small differences.

We find these teeny tiny little differences that attack one another. You know, it makes no sense it just why would we do that we have to stick together republicans always stick right together the republicans are like insurrection i'm on board let's take away voting rights from everybody sure let's do it oh let's kill ourselves with horse medicine i'm there right on that's how they operate is i hear it's not very good for um i hear it's pretty effective at sterilizing i hear there there seem to be some studies about this out there uh which we'll have to explore a little more but uh yes eugene let's talk about your uh your case right now at doj if

we can for a moment um but let's just delve in there and see what the latest is. I remember back while Trump was president, the New York State Supreme Court Judge Verna Saunders ruled that you could proceed with your defamation suit against Trump while he was still president. Now he is no longer president. But I'm wondering, is discovery continuing? I know you had included a notice to Trump that he should provide you with a DNA sample. So what can you tell us here? What's the latest with that? And will we see any movement on that?

Well, here's what happened with the case. The case is at the DOJ right now because of three women. Okay, here are the three women. Judge Ling was our first judge in New York. When we brought the lawsuit, we couldn't even serve papers on Donald Trump because the Secret Service at the White House was refusing to take our side. So then they refused it at Trump Tower. They refused it. I mean, right there is a great ploy by Trump. Anyway, so I happen to have the best lawyer in America, Robbie Kaplan, who this week or next week is fighting the Nazis in Charlottesville. That's Robbie Kaplan. Robbie Kaplan is the one who came up with the KKK defense. She's the one who thought of that. And now it's being used across the board.

It's being used by Betty Jackson. It's being used by Eric Sebald, who's been on your podcast. She's the one who thought, she's the one who ushered in gay rights for all Americans by winning the Windsor case. And Joshua Matz, who has an IQ of 485. Those two are

my attorneys. They, of course, quickly figured out a way to get the lawsuit to Trump. Then Doris Ling, that's the first woman who made sure that this is going down. She set the dates for discovery. OK. She's the one who ordered the DNA. That's Doris Lane. She's in the New York Supreme Court. Then the courts got shuffled in New York and we were given a second judge, Judge Saunders. By this time, Trump had come, had filed suit that we were not allowed to sue a sitting president. We made such a brilliant argument against all the reasons why we couldn't sue a sitting president. The judge Sanders agreed with us and the case proceeded. We again began discovery

and I answered all the questions from his attorney. Dudes, have you ever seen the questions they ask a woman in the case of assault? You don't want to see these questions. You would start throwing up in this podcast and you would not be done until they hook you up to fluids so you can go on top. That's how much you would vomit. These questions are sickening. They want to know every drug I've ever taken. They want to know every man I've ever taken. They want to know every man I've ever met. They want to know every, well, that was an exaggeration. Just looking for any reason to put the blame on you.

Any. It was astounding. Well, you know what? We answered all of them. And we had our questions. So we were sitting with this discovery. And right at the very, almost the very moment Trump was due to deliver his DNA sample, which would be matched against the unidentified male DNA found on my dress, within hours, I think, the case was suddenly snatched out of the Supreme, out of the New York courts and given to the DOJ under Bill Barr. Well, we were shocked, but we delivered such a brilliant argument against the fact that Donald Trump should be represented by the DOJ. That was their case. What he said about me when he said I was too ugly to assault, et cetera, et cetera, was his duty as a president. He was acting as a president.

We made an argument in federal court that that was not the case, that Donald Trump, this happened in 1996. And the argument was so, our argument was so blistered and so brilliant that the federal judge, Lewis Kaplan, wrote an opinion that I thought would stand for the ages, and that I thought this is going to be great. However, right before the election, the DOJ filed a suit in the Second Circuit Court of Appeals and appealed Judge Kaplan's decision. Well, that didn't bother us because of course they can appeal all they want because we're going to have a new president and a new head of the DOJ next month. So, la, la, la. fun appoints Merrick Garland. Merrick Garland, as we know, is an outstanding man. He is very fair.

And what was shocking is he decided, yeah, this is a good case. DOJ's got to represent Donald Trump. He was acting as president when he said I was Eugene Carroll, that poor old, that crone, that withered hag. It was too ugly to assault. They took the case.

Their brief was written by four dudes. I rest my case. Four dudes, not a woman in sight. Okay. Well, woman in sight. Okay. Well, we were surprised. And we meet them in Second Circuit Court of Appeals. And coming up, this is September, coming up later this fall. And we will be giving oral arguments.

I've already planned my outfit. And Robbie Kavler and Joshua Matz, I just want everyone to be prepared to have your brains explode. It's going to be so wonderful. Get ready because it's going to be a slam dunk. We're going to have brilliant oral arguments. I've got a great outfit. It's going to be just get ready. And that's the case. Why do you think Merrick Garland took the case? I think he, you know, he's a moral, upright, moral man. He saw some merit in it.

I think he's absolutely wrong. I think he's protecting the DOJ. Well, I think he hit on it there, which is like, if you're an institutionalist and want to preserve institutions at all costs, but those institutions have structural racism, misogyny just built into them over the course of hundreds of years, then when you're preserving these institutions, you're preserving everything that goes along with them, whether you're doing it for the noblest of purposes or not. Brett, that's brilliant. That's why I'm here for it. I get one every few weeks. In the context, Brett, how E. Jean Carroll talked about it, though, it's why we need women judges.

It's why we need diversity. And we need people who understand these experiences. That's why diversity is so important. Absolutely. Yeah. And EG, and I really appreciate you breaking it down like that because there's a lot to what you've been through that I know, but in the context of all of the judges that looked at the law and basically said, enough is enough. Turn over your DNA. And then you have four dudes at the DOJ, as Brett talks about institutionalists preserving racism, misogynistic institutions. It was an incredible breakdown. Thank you for sharing that. Well, I'm worried about the courts in this country. This is another thing that's at

stake. We should all be. As you keep saying,'s at stake we should all be as you keep saying as you say in your text as you say in your podcast you say in your truth uh 2022 you know we just have to go vote we gotta save the courts the courts are like right now they're saving us remember the courts saved the election for us. The courts, the judges, the justice system works. We just, we need to give it a little oomph. Hey, Eugene, I know earlier in the interview, you had mentioned, you know, that you're a quote unquote from the silent generation where women didn't speak up as frequently. I'm just curious, sort of what changed your mind ultimately to speak up and to say something? Well, I started getting letters that ask Eugene after he was president.

And I've always received letters from women who have been, you know, assaulted by their bosses and assaulted on dates and manhandled and situated by near strangers. And I've all, you know, I never said, you know, I felt like a big fake. I never came forward with what happened to me. And so finally, it just, it became almost too much. And the election was over. I knew I couldn't do any harm to the election by coming forward.

And I just, you know, I just had it up to here with his lies. And, you know, the whole it was a stomach turner. I said, what the hell? What have I got to lose? Well, yeah, I lost my job. But anyway, so I just did it. You know what? It was almost not a decision.

It's one of those things that you just live with. And, you know i was an old woman by the time i came forward so i really old women watch out for old women guys old women are the best they've got nothing to lose i hadn't you know i didn't get two flying figs at that point you know know, so I came forward. The amazing thing is that then I decided to do the lawsuit. That was a shocking thing to me because that had never,

that had never occurred to me. And then also we get, we get tons of people who come to us and say, hey, we love what you guys are doing at Midas Touch. We love the pro-democracy movement, the fight that you guys are fighting. And Eugene, you fight, you know, such similar battles day in and day out and you're fighting, you're just

so courageous. You know, I know we sort of, yes, I know. And I know, and I know we sort of touched on this earlier in the interview, but asked a little bit more pointedly, you know, what would be your advice to men and women who want to join the fight and who want to become advocates, who want to stop just the insanity that's been happening in this country? What would you tell them? Well, you know, there's a movement now. I don't know who started it. Not to have sex with anybody who's for Donald Trump.

No, really. Just cut them off. You know, wives, if your husband's going to be a Trumper, no more sex until they decide. So there's that movement, which I strongly support. Voting Rights Alliance. Let me see what the VotingRightsAlliance.org. This is a volunteer across the country, and they connect you with all the voting rights thing. Because, you know and taking away

our voting rights that's of course their plan right if you just stop enough people from voting if they just if you just keep them away from the pool you know from the polls uh so the voting that that is a good place to go to volunteer if If you volunteer, let's say one afternoon a week, there, there you're doing something. There, you're doing something. There you go. That's what we try to tell people. It's really, you don't have to think of it like you don't have to look at the three of us,

for example, and say, oh my gosh, I need to start this big giant organization. It's the only way that I could have an impact. No, you could do something a couple hours a day, a couple hours a week. You know, you have a skill, you use that something a couple hours a day, a couple hours a week. You have a skill, you use that skill. You post on social media. You just do whatever little thing that you can because all this sort of stuff adds up at the end of the day.

Exactly. By the way, it makes your life way more interesting. You know what? Going out and meeting people, that's interesting. That's interesting. Why not add a tiny bit of interest here? And put on a cute outfit, for God's sake. Put on a sweater with a big emblem on it. Come on. It's a way to meet people, you know. And you form friendships. You can meet cute people to date them there's no reason to sit at home in your house uh when there's a ongoing catastrophe rolling across the country um yeah rule minority majority rule as mary calls it uh it's gonna be

no fun yeah if you don't show up you know who you're giving your voice to you're giving your voice to all those crazy people who go viral for fighting with People at the airport for fighting at school boards. That's who you give voice to if if you're not standing up Oh my god, that's proud boys Coming to the hospitals. I was I mean, it's especially disgusting just given that even just logistically you need to get ambulances in there You need to know there are help workers in there There are patients trying to rest. And then you have those people outside attacking the very health care workers who will be working to save those people's lives once they contract COVID and end up on a ventilator.

The whole thing is just twisted. And that's why we need to stand up and, you know, just show our power. Show that, you know, we are out there in greater numbers than them. And that we need to be the difference makers. You know, we're. As Obama said, we're the ones we're looking for here. We're the ones who are going to save ourselves. Thank you for giving the Midas Mighty the oomph they needed today, E. Jean Carroll. Get out of here. Wait a minute. Let me show you my little kitty.

Let's check out the cat. There she is. We got cats. We got dogs. We got it all. We got birds. We got it all on the Midas Touch podcast. What's the cat's name? Vagina T Fireball. Oh my gosh. I did not think that that question would be the most controversial

of the E. Jean Carroll questions, but I'll just say nice to see the cat. Thank you, E. Jean Carroll questions, but I'll just say nice to see the cat. Thank you, E. Jean Carroll. We really appreciate you joining the Midas Touch podcast. We hope you'll come back again, and thank you so much for sharing

everything. We appreciate it. It's been an absolute gas talking to you, or the three gentlemen. You're the best. Oh, wait a minute. She's hanging on me. Hang on. Truth is golden, right?

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Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over-deliver. Welcome back to the Midas Touch podcast. Such a great interview with E. Jean Carroll. She's incredible. And learned a lot more from her just about the case, but also just getting to know her was really incredible. She's amazing. Well, she's somebody who grew up in a different generation. And so I think it was important and I think helpful to hear her perspectives on why she didn't speak out before or why she felt it was necessary to speak out now, how she views situations, how she views

kind of her experience dealing with the patriarchal society and toxic masculinity and all these sorts of issues that she has come face to face with. You know, that's why it's important we get all these diverse points of view in the show. And it's why I like the format of the podcast where we can really introduce the person and not just the headline to our audience, which I think is what makes this podcast a bit different from other news that's out there. But speaking about other news that's out there, I want to talk briefly about a positive development of the Department of Justice fighting back, taking legal action, and preparing this robust case against Texas for this patently unconstitutional, handmaid's tale, bounty law against women, against childbearing persons, against humanity. Yes. So Merrick Garland's DOJ, they are fighting back. Earlier today, they filed a suit in federal court in Austin, Texas, to declare the abortion ban unconstitutional. Basically, what the DOJ was saying was that to deputize private citizens to become bounty hunters is clearly unconstitutional.

They called it an unprecedented scheme, and they're going to fight for abortion rights. And this is a major, major step in development. Happy to see them stepping up. The act is clearly unconstitutional under longstanding Supreme Court precedent. Those precedents hold, in the words of Planned Parenthood versus Casey that, quote, regardless of whether exceptions are made for particular circumstances, a state may not prohibit any woman from making the ultimate decision to terminate her pregnancy before viability. I know you guys will do a deeper dive on legal AF and I am excited to

hear you really break this down in detail. We will keep everybody updated about the developments of those lawsuits. Definitely more updates on legal AF. Make sure you check out the legal AF podcast, one of the, if not the top legal podcast that's on right now. I'm not going to lie. It's my favorite show, Ben. I like Legal AF more than any other podcast. I don't know. I like this podcast. This is my favorite podcast. Well, I'm not including this podcast. I'm just saying out of all the podcasts I do listen to, which is a lot, I think Legal AF is the perfect balance of, I mean, you guys are funny and you guys tell stuff in a way that I can understand. It makes me almost feel like I went to law school, even though I very much did not

go to law school. And I want to leave everybody with this thought. After hearing the news, after hearing from E. Jean Carroll, I want to go back to how we started this podcast. You're going to be hearing a lot of news by traditional media, the legacy media that treats these races like horse races and doesn't call a spade a spade, in this case, a fascist a fascist. We need to be on the side of pro-democracy. We need to fight together. And as Brett was saying before, it doesn't require that you have to start a movement like Midas Touch. You're listening to this now. You're watching this right now. You're already part of the movement, and your contribution to this movement in many ways is just as important as ours. Without you,

there is no Midas Touch. Where you could be the most helpful is doing the little things. Anywhere you can, whether it's reaching out to one person, that's better than no people. Whether it's touching five people, 10 people, 100 people, 1,000 people. We hope the lesson that Midas Touch teaches is that if three brothers with no political experience who are just so angry at the state of this country and want to support democracy can do it, we promise you, you can do it too. We appreciate your support as always. We appreciate each and every one of you for listening to the podcast.

And we thank our guest, E. Jean Carroll, for coming on this episode of the Midas Touch podcast. We'll see you as always on the next podcast. But until next time, Jordy, take it away. Shout out to the Midas Mighty.