The MeidasTouch Podcast - Democrats Deliver with Rep. Debbie Dingell

Episode Date: September 28, 2021

On today’s episode of The MeidasTouch Podcast, the brothers sit down with an incredible guest, Congresswoman Debbie Dingell. During the interview, Rep. Dingell discusses her focus on ensuring that both the infrastructure and reconciliation bills pass as well as the representative’s thoughts on her confrontation with Marjorie Taylor Greene on the Capitol steps. Additionally, we key in on Rep. Dingell’s priorities, which include electric vehicles, domestic manufacturing, clean water, long-term care and creating union jobs. The episode is rounded out with the brothers covering the infighting occurring within the GQP, Trump’s latest rally fail in Georgia, Sidney Powell implicating Kevin McCarthy, Steve Scalise, and Justice Alito in the plot to overturn the election and much much more. If you enjoyed today's episode, please be sure to rate, review & subscribe. As always, thank YOU for listening! Support our sponsors: BetterHelp -- Visit https://betterhelp.com/meidas and join the over 2,000,000 people who have taken charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced professional and get 10% off your first month when using our link! Policygenius-- Go to https://policygenius.com/meidas and compare insurance rates today! Magic Spoon -- Go to https://magicspoon.com/meidas to grab a variety pack and try it today! And be sure to use our promo code MEIDAS at checkout to save $5 OFF your order! Remember to subscribe to ALL the Meidas Media Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://pod.link/1510240831 Legal AF: https://pod.link/1580828595 Kremlin File: https://pod.link/1575837599 Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://pod.link/1530639447 Zoomed In: https://pod.link/1580828633 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Debbie Dingell. You heard it here. We're kicking off this episode with some alliteration, y'all. You know it's going to be a good episode of the Midas Touch podcast when Ben goes straight to alliteration. Democrats deliver. We have Representative Debbie Dingell from Michigan's 12th Congressional District. Excited to have her on the podcast. Can I just say how powerful the Midas Mighty is that Representative Dingell makes the headlines. What day was it? That was Friday, right? That was a couple days ago.

And so I just start thinking, you know, it'd be amazing if we got Representative Dingle on the Midas Touch podcast. So I threw out a little message to the group. I said, hey, would you guys want to see Representative Dingle on the podcast? I mean, that'd be pretty cool, right? The response was overwhelming. And because of that response, we were able to book Debbie Dingle for the Midas Touch podcast just two days later. And I think that is the power of the Midas Mighty right there. So thank you all for all the messages and for encouraging Representative Dingell to come on the show.

And we cannot wait to speak with Representative Dingell today about how Democrats are delivering. No, you're right. But that's going to get me in a lot of trouble with the guest who was supposed to have the slot who I told we're not shooting today. I didn't really think that one through. And now I have to figure out a date to reschedule them. This thing's about to go live. They're probably listening to this very rant right now. Who's the guest you're talking about? I'm not saying the name, but we bumped them. You bumped somebody? Oh my gosh, yikes. And then wait a minute. So you bumped a guest, Jordy, and just said we weren't recording today?

I panicked. I didn't know what to do. The Midas Mighty, they wanted Representative Dingle. We delivered Representative Dingle. And I've said, I'll figure this out later. And Jordy, let me ask you this. You are aware that more people watch this podcast than the three of us, right? I am aware, yes. And you're aware that that guest and their communication staff reached out to us, and that means they're aware of the show, correct? I know what I did here, and I can't back out now.

Jordy, let me go one step further. What is the motto of Midas Touch? Truth is golden. And did you follow the motto? I did not follow the motto, no. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Ben just rested his case. I rested my case. I took Geordie on the ultimate cross-examination. And I want to talk about a more important examination of our democracy about why Democrats can win. One, we know Democrats deliver. And I want to talk to Representative Dingell about Democrats delivering. But also, one of the things that we saw before was there used to be lots of infighting within the Democratic Party, you know, in the past.

And one of the major problems was the Democrats can't be unified. And I think Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer have done actually a very good job of unifying Democrats around core policies like infrastructure, like climate change, like making the economy work for all, that actually has unified the Democratic Party in important ways. On the other hand, what we're seeing, and one of the tenets of Trumpism, and we've seen this dating back in the days when Donald Trump was a failed businessman and trust fund baby was that all of his things went bankrupt. There was always infighting and things were destroyed based on him being involved, no matter what it was, whether it was stakes, airplanes, buildings, you name it, that's what would happen. We are seeing that right now with the Republican party.

They are going at each other's throats, and it's hard to even follow who's going against who, because you have kind of these radical Trumpists going after other radical GQP members. And basically, depending on their devotion to Trump, their devotion to their hatred of minorities and women. They rally around these different issues, but they're hating each other for not being extreme enough. And Trump kind of poured some additional fuel to that fire when he went to Georgia. Right, Brett? Yeah. So Trump had this crazy rally in Georgia, which, I mean, I don't like giving the guy too much airtime, but sometimes it's good to know what's going on during these events. And it's also good to know how we could use these events for our benefit, because a lot of people listen to

this guy. And first, I just want to add that I think what you're getting at, Ben, and I think what we're seeing right here amongst the Republican Party is all these people have sort of made this deal with the devil and they rode this deranged GQP fascist wave into Congress. And now they are realizing that there's no appeasing people with these crazy purity tests of being crazy and deranged. If everything you do is through the lens of appeasing Donald Trump, your cult leader, then if you run astray of the cult leader, the cult then eats its own. And so we're seeing that on a large scale across whatever platforms that they think

are the correct Trumpist platforms. And those are typically, like you said, Ben, the platforms which target minorities, target childbearing persons, target individual liberties and freedoms and rights, target common sense policies. And so anytime that a politician on the right goes against this, even if they are one of the politicians who rode this fascist wave into Congress themselves, they are met with a flurry of attacks from the very people who put them there because there's no appeasing these people. That's why it's so dangerous, this wave they rode on.

And it's so dangerous that they have appeased these people and continue to appease these people because it just continues to push them into these more radical positions. And so in Georgia, we saw Trump out there spouting some of the most deranged bullshit that he's spouting. And for Trump, that is a lot to say that. The Arizona audit. Someone's been practicing their Trump.

The Arizona audit shows that I won. I won. I mean, like, how crazy is he? Even his ridiculous cyber ninjas show that Biden won by three hundred and sixty six extra votes in favor of Biden than what was previously counted? Yeah, there was a 360 net vote gain for Biden. And then they tried to pick apart little sort of moments of like, oh, look, we found more envelopes in the system. And like they do everything and they don't understand what they're reading. And then they spread disinformation based on not understanding what they're looking at because they don't know how elections work and they don't know how these processes work. And then they start posting fake images of Trump won Arizona. It's the saddest, honestly, most pathetic. Just play the one clip. And I hate to show former guy clips, but just show it because it's like a sick man.

It's like who at a dinner table, like like what what self-respecting individual even like communicates like this? Like, Brad, I want to tell you something that's crazy. It's a cult leader on drugs speaking like a fucking madman next to Herschel Walker. When Herschel Walker, who's running for Senate against Warnock, says, my qualifications to run for office, I'm American. And the crowd roars that the guy says his qualifications that he's an American. What qualifies me to run? I love Americaica so cartoonish just play that one clip of trump just to see this guy's a fucking psycho yesterday we also got the results of the arizona audit which were so disgracefully reported by those people right

back there and the headlines claiming that Biden won. That Biden won our fake news. The crowd is giving the finger to the captain. Just shut it down. Just shut it down. All right, shut it down. You've heard enough. But oh my God, did his, he's just doing an impression of himself now, right?

Like, like that's not how an impression of himself now, right? That's not how a person- I told you that scene, right? Yeah, yeah. You called it. He really has become a caricature of himself. I mean, what a crazy fucking guy. And the fact that a party is so beholden to this maniac, and let's face it, he's a maniac. This is a deranged, dangerous, lunatic maniac. And let's face it, he's a maniac. This is a deranged, dangerous, lunatic maniac. And so the

Republicans right now are in this place where they have to both appease this maniac and his lunatic cult supporters. And they also have to appease more independent-minded moderate people. And you just can't appease both factions. And that's why, in my opinion, and by looking at what I'm seeing online and in all these conversations, and Republicans have messaged me also, and they've commented to my tweets saying, oh yeah, I actually totally write about this, is that there can't be unity with this party when some of the people are hoping for the days of an old Republican party, and some of the people think there's a satanic cabal and Hillary Clinton is eating your children. There's no medium.

The Venn diagram, those don't touch. Those don't touch in the Republican Venn diagram. We're seeing just a lot of devastating things out there for Republicans. And no, this doesn't mean that Democrats are going to have an easier time passing legislation. I mean, the Republicans in the Senate and in Congress are in lockstep with obstructing the Democratic agenda at every single turn. But I think it does open up a lot of opportunities for us, electorally speaking. You might say that the Republicans have electile dysfunction here.

And I think that the... I don't even like that one. Come on, man. Where did you read that? You didn't come on, man. And so, but, but we could use this to our advantage here because these are, these are weak points. And we're also dealing with a party who fundamentally doesn't believe that voting is a real thing. They don't believe in voting, period. So that's why we need to double down on the fundamentals. Jordy, you played basketball growing up. Fundamentals, fundamentals, fundamentals. Am I right? They call me Big Fundamental. I've never heard that nickname for you, but okay. Big Fundamental over here. But we all need to be Big Fundamental. We need to be registering voters. We need to be getting to the polls. We need to be treating every election like it's existential and showing up because they're not showing up. And the only way that they will win

these elections, the only way that they will win the election in Virginia, for example, the governor's race, is if we don't show up. No, we're not going to take the stand like what the Republicans do and say, oh, it's going to be rigged. It's going to be rigged. No, we're going to show up and we're going to fight the rules where they are working to sort of quote unquote rig elections. We're going to fight gerrymandering. We're going to fight the redistricting. We're going to work hard in that respect, but we can never give up. We need to keep our eyes on the prize and we need to get to the polls and we need to overcome all that. And that's how we will win. And so they called me at Lehigh basketball camp,

Mr. Hustle. Jordy may have been Mr. Fundamental, but I was Mr. Hustle. I was also most improved player. And here's why. Let me improve upon what Brett said. And let me just get you some specifics right now about specifically what was said. So Trump goes into Georgia. He's at the national fairgrounds. He's talking about all the Republicans that are have leadership positions in Georgia. And one by one, he calls them horrible, terrible, disgusting. You know, so he goes, Lieutenant Governor Jeff Duncan, terrible. He then goes, Raffensperger basically calls Raffensperger a criminal, says they have a disaster of a governor and Governor Brian Kemp. And so it just goes in there and just like completely defames every Republican there. Brings up Mitch McConnell, who Donald Trump says he wants

to primary. And McConnell's getting booed. Brian Kemp's getting even bigger booze there. Good job, Republican Party. This is your guy. You created this. Way to go. Way to go. We have Greg Blustein, who's done some great reporting. He's a writer in Georgia, always does great reporting. But he talks about getting texts from all these Republican officials in Georgia saying, what a shit show. We've reached a new low. I'm just so mad beyond words. And then you have even on the further, most extreme kind of right. And the cat turd account, quoting this guy cat turd and cat turd.

Just he's a crazy GQP. Let's be clear. You went to four years of law school. So on our podcast, you could quote tweet a Twitter account named cat turd, but go on guys, guys, he's not cat turd is cat turd to cat turd.

One was taken. Cat turd and Cat Turd 1 were taken. Cat Turd 2, who is cited favorably. Trump used to retweet Cat Turd all the time. He's like one of these GQP influencers. You laugh and we laugh, but he's like a guy who these people listen to on that side. He's a very popular... Very powerful in the GQP movement is Cat Turd. And Cat Turd took his paw and meowed at Kevin McCarthy. I mean, you can't make these things up. And then you have one of the big issues right now is what's called the red flag law that's in the National Defense Authorization's a way for the military to confiscate the guns of that individual for a temporary period of time so that the person doesn't get involved in a mass shooting. And then as soon as the process is determined that the person's able to have his guns back,

they're able to return the guns. Obviously, we know there's lots of mental health issues within the military, lots of PTSD, and we've seen military members engage in mass shootings. So it would seem natural that you would want to process if there's an imminent threat that a military member may be engaged in a mass shooting or a shooting that you would temporarily remove the guns from him. There were a number of Republicans

who voted in favor of this act, not because they supported that red flag law, but because they supported the National Defense Authorization Act. They were against that part, but justified their vote as saying they wanted to fund the military. And that threw the GQP into craziness. How dare you support a red flag law? And then they're fighting over the nuance of, hey, we didn't mean to fund a bill that has a red flag law. We were funding the military. We're cool with giving guns to military members

who may be imminent threats of mass shootings. I just want to clarify here. We're okay with that. I just want to clarify, even though our vote said the other opposite, I just want to clarify, we want dangerous people to own weapons. We're against the red flag laws. We voted for it because it was part of the broader authorization act is what they're saying. And then you have another wing of the Republican Party saying you shouldn't have even funded the military because they had a red flag law, which would have removed weapons of a military member through a military court process, by the way. And then the guns would be returned when it's adjudicated that the person's fine. So that's

what the law, what that rule is. And they're saying that we shouldn't fund the military. If that is a rule there, we should encourage like, that is what we're dealing with too. And there's a fight between this Lauren Witsky who I've never really even heard of, but apparently like cat turd, she's a big influencer in this party. She got kicked off Twitter, I think. She got kicked off Twitter, but on Instagram, she basically posts phony photos of Trump winning Arizona three days ago. She posted two days ago a photo or a video that I don't know what it's of, but it's labeled Hillary Clinton is going in to eat children, is what it says on Instagram. I don't know how Instagram allows these things to- Is Instagram owned by Facebook?

You know how Instagram allows these things to... Instagram is owned by Facebook? It was from Hillary Clinton being inaugurated as the Queens University Chancellor. That's what the video was. Hillary Clinton was being honored. And what does it say in it? It says that she's going to eat the children? Yeah, something about, yeah, Lauren Witsky says, oh, there goes Hillary Clinton going with her child

slaves, going to eat children. That is what the GQP is doing. But look, why are we telling this to you? One, we have a podcast, so we have to tell you things. Two, it's because there is disunity there. And there are lots of forces that are trying to tell us 2022 is going to be an uphill fight. 2022 GQ peers are going to take the house because that's what happens when someone from the other party wins the White House.

And I say to you, look what's going on, Dems. Watch that. We need to take advantage of this climate. Exactly what's going on in Georgia, which we led with, is going to go on on a nationwide basis as the GQP eats its own. They're fighting over who's a rhino. And they all think each other's are rhinos because at the end of the day, none of them are Republicans. They are just varying degrees of fascists. I want to talk about BetterHelp before bringing in our guest representative, Debbie Dingell. This podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp. If there is

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really, really crucial legislation through so the American people can benefit from it? So I'm going to say several things to you. One, failure is not an option. If we let the American people down and we don't get this once in a lifetime opportunity, how many presidents, Republican and Democrat, have talked about fixing our roads and bridges? Are infrastructures, you know, equal to any third world country? Something we should, you know, really be proud of.

This pandemic has taught us or we've seen firsthand how rural areas and urban areas don't have access to the Internet. I live in a state where you see what happens to children who have lead in their water in Flint. But Benton Harbor is the latest example. We need to get lead out of every pipe in America. Three million women have left the workforce because of the issue of child care. For me, it's both bills. We need both bills. I'm someone that if you can bring people together and you got agreement, that first part of the bill is important. But we need the second part. There's not enough money in that bill. I stood in the White House when the president announced a goal of 50 percent electric vehicles by the year 2030. That's not going to happen if you don't build out an infrastructure that people have confidence they can get their vehicle charged.

There isn't enough money in that bill to get a lot out of pipes. There's not enough money in that bill for broadband, let alone a number of other important things that people care about. We need both of them. And this is going to be a really tough week. I can tell you that. Actually, it's going to be the week from hell. But at the end of it, Democrats need to realize we got to come together. The D in Democrat is for deliver. And we got a responsibility as Democrats to deliver for the American people. And if we let, and excuse me, but this is a podcast, not public broadcasting, if we let a pissing contest between all of us, keep us from delivering for the American people. Shame on us. And it's really not an option.

And while I don't think it's going to be a pretty week, we will get this job done. And I think poll after poll shows that these policies are supported by the American people. Americans want better infrastructure. And is it surprising to you the kind of adamant resistance that exists by other politicians in the Republican Party to infrastructure? I mean, just to the idea of making America stronger, better, safer, healthier. I mean, the adamancy of that resistance to infrastructures is so strange. What I think you are seeing is Republicans who don't want to vote for anything, that they sent that they forget that they were sent to Congress. I'm an American. I want to make that really clear. My party affiliation is not what I think of first. I think of myself as an American who loves our country and is very proud of the leadership position it has played in the world since its founding. And we're losing that. And I think that Congress means coming together and that our job is to come together. And that what is happening now with people not thinking about substance, not trying to find that common ground, not coming together to vote on policy, we can disagree, but we can do it agreeably. But just to say no to everything, it happens too much. It's not acceptable. The American people are expecting

us to deliver. The bridges are falling down. The roads are in terrible shape. We need to come together. And no votes just for the sake of a no vote isn't what our Congress is supposed to be doing. What I love, Representative Dingell, that you do is every day you're out there speaking about concrete policies. You're talking about the Better Care Job Act. You're talking about expansion of Medicare. And I don't think we hear it in those defined terms from lots of politicians who speak more and kind of soundbites about what's going on. So talk to us about some of those policies, in addition to the infrastructure and reconciliation bill that you're championing and you think are important in this term.

Well, I have a lot of things that I care deeply about in this bill. I touched upon it when I talked about electric vehicles. But I'll talk I'm going to expand on that because the fact of the matter is, is that transportation contributes or is responsible for almost 30 percent of the carbon emissions in this country. So we do need to do something about it. Global climate change is real. You know, people see the hurricanes and what happened in Louisiana was horrific this year. Yes, it was horrific with the floods that happened in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut. But you know what? The Midwest, Michigan, my hometown, has been flooded eight times since the end of June. Just Dearborn had more than 20,000 homes that were damaged from the first

flood the last weekend in June. And we've had, since then, seven more storms. We've been without electricity how many times? We need to address climate change. It is real. We cannot. We are on red alert. So we need to move to electric vehicles. We are not going to get there unless people, I'd say there's three buckets. People can afford the electric vehicle. The vehicles on the road now, for the most part, one, they're not 100% electric vehicle. And the one that is, not a luxury car, but that it has the range. We've got to find those and develop those minerals here for that battery, and we've got to build it here in the United States of America. And then third, we need to build out the infrastructure for charging, and we've got to upgrade our power grid by 50%. That's real. And by the way, we've all seen these power outages that have been happening more and more frequently, and we're vulnerable there.

So that's one issue that I'm working very hard in the Build Back Better bill. But you talk about home-based care. So we've had 3 million women that have left the workforce because we don't have child care in this country. It has gotten much worse since the pandemic. Workers just aren't there. And in the sandwich generation, I was someone who you don't understand how bad long-term care is in this country until you are touched by it and you're in the system. And I was blessed. I miss my husband every day.

The last four years of his life, I learned a lot and his brain was there every single minute, but I couldn't, you know, at the beginning, he didn't, he could be alone. Some of the time at the end, I had to find somebody for him. I was lucky. He wanted to stay at home. Nine out of 10 Americans want to stay in their own homes as they get older. They should be able to live with dignity and respect. They worked a long time. We're the only industrialized nation that doesn't take care of its seniors, doesn't have long-term care. So I do have a provision with Bob Casey from the Senate that would take almost a million people are on a waiting list right now for home care, home and community care, being allowed to stay in your own

home. Medicaid is the larger payer, largest payer of long-term care in this country. It's totally, totally in its institutional care. And that's not where most people want to stay. And with a little help, they can stay in their homes. So that's another part of this bill. And by the way, the Oxford Dictionary says that infrastructure is the processes that let a country or corporation operate efficiently, the processes that keep it going. What's more important than making sure your family's safe when you walk out the door and go to work? I could keep going. Those are two of my top priorities.

I think nothing's more important than fighting for the American people. And Democrats are fighting for the American people and putting forward ideas. Then on the other side, you have these, I think it was Representatives Thalwell said, WWE kind of fascists. They're just playing a game of these Republicans. And so you have these characters out there who are just out there spewing hate, Marjorie Taylor Greene heckling Democrats on Capitol Hill the other week or last week after Democrats passed legislation regarding the Texas abortion law, reaffirming the constitutional right of childbearing persons right to choose. And she just stood there, started screaming at everybody. And there was an

interaction between you and her. You tweeted later, be a good neighbor. Don't mess with Michigan women. So what happened there? Well, it wasn't my proudest moment in one sense that I do believe we should be civil towards each other. But I do want to place it in context that a group of women were standing at the top of the steps for an extended period of time while we were waiting for the speaker to come out. At the bottom of the steps were about 100, 150 of my colleagues who were going to do a press conference with Speaker on Build Back Better.

She came out and screamed at us for about 10 minutes. We were all very good and did not. We knew she was trying to bait us. We did not bait. But then she walked down those stairs and was going to disrupt the speaker's press conference. And she was spewing. It had been a solid 10 minutes of ugliness, vitriolicness, hate, misleading statements. And I just went down and said, why can't you be civil to your colleagues? that's I mean when has it become okay to just go on the capital steps and just disrupt everybody and spew hate at them and I it's just I I've been bullied at different points in my life and I'm tired of bullies and she tries to disrupt she tries to get media attention and she bullies people and I'm not looking forward to the next moment that I see her either. And I want to be somebody, I don't want kids to learn to scream at each other.

But on the other hand, there are times that you just, enough's enough. And, you know, this is a, I mean, the press conference itself she was trying to disrupt was on Build Back Better. A lot of people have, she's trying to get attention for her issue. It's a difficult issue. It's a very difficult issue for me. But I do believe in separation of church and state. And I believe it is an individual's right to make their own decision. That decision is an individual's decision with their family, their doctor, and their faith. And that has been what our country has been for more than 200 years. And just that, but I think all of us need to be really worried about the hate that is taking over this country, the fear. You know,

I've been bullied before. I was bullied by the best of them, Donald Trump. And you don't know what it's like until you're in that hate tunnel and you are the target of it. And I'll stand up to it. I am, I have been bullied in my life. I was bullied as a child. And I will, if you are bullying something, someone or something that I care about, I will stand up to you. And what I think right now is we are fighting for the heart and soul of our democracy. I think that this level of vitriolicness that we see on social media, this level of what's okay, when did it become okay to go in the capital steps and spew hate at your colleagues? It's not okay. We can disagree agreeably, but I will stand up to it. And I got to tell you, I'm kind of depressed. It was not an easy weekend for me, but I will stand up for what I believe is right. And I think that this vitriolicness, this fear, this hatred in our country needs to be stood up to by all of us. And I think, you know, democratic activists activists and I think just normal Americans were happy

to see you stand up to a bully. And I think people see this bullying from the right. It's like the sort of fascist bullying that we're seeing. And they're using it to push very dangerous beliefs and very dangerous policies. I mean, the differences between what you're speaking about in regards to infrastructure and getting people health care and electric vehicles, it could not be more different than when you look at the right and see their COVID denialism and the conspiracy theories. How do you deal with a party and people you work with who don't seem to even be living

in the same plane of reality at times? So I would say to you, we've got to be very careful and tend to take paintbrushes and paint everybody the same way. That's another problem right now in our, there are many good Republicans. I don't agree with them on policy. We should elect people by their policy, the way their behavior is, what you want to see happen. It is the group of people that are spewing the hate, that are trying to be disruptive, that kind of behavior you saw on Friday. There are Republicans that I've talked to every day, and I learned from them, and they learned from me. And we, you know, last week, Fred Upton and I went down.

There's a very moving exhibit on the mall right now, a white flag for every American that's died because of COVID. That should be bipartisan. There are moments. I mean, I am an American and there are many Republicans that I talk to every single day. I go and sit on the Republican side of the House. So this isn't, we need to find a way that, you know, communities are communities because we all come together. Wouldn't it be boring if we were the Stepford Wives and went all the same way? But we've got to treat each other with respect. We've got to be civil.

We've got to learn from each other. We each have different life experiences. We have different perspectives. We can learn from each other on. That's what we should be doing. Spewing hate, trying to divide us, spreading lies, vitriolicness, rudeness, anger are not OK, although I'm angry. So where do you think the vitriol comes from?

Is it them trying to appeal to grassroots donors? Is it the internet in general? Like, why do you think they are behaving like that? And why do you think those beliefs seem to be where the energy of the party is? I, I asked myself this every day. And, you know, a week ago, when there was another demonstration that was going to be at the Capitol, I actually printed just a sample of the hate and the death threats I had gotten that week. And people said, why are you doing this? And I said, because I want people to see what people say and think it's okay. I think social media has given people and they're anonymous.

So they think if they say it, it doesn't matter. That's one thing. I don't know where this is all come from. And we I do believe that Donald Trump contributed to it significantly. And, you know, when he became president, I said he was elected. He's our president. You've to people to do some of this. And I think that was a contributing factor. And I'm going to fight back. I don't think people should feel that they have permission to do some of the behavior we are witnessing in this country. And I don't think it's one of us. I think all of us should stand up and say, just respect each other.

That's all. Respect each other. You can disagree, but do it respectfully. And it seems like they are mobilizing this anger, a lot of Republicans, the ones we're referring to, to systematically overturn voting rights across the country. How are we dealing with that? What's the latest with voting rights legislation? And how do we counter? I mean, hey, the Arizona fraudit failed, and rightfully so, but they're now trying to nationalize that. They're trying to bring it to Michigan. They're trying to bring it to Texas, a state that Trump won. Like, what is happening? So I want to say to your listeners, you really need to think about what is happening in this country. What they are trying to do is undermine the fundamental principles of our democracy. They are the most fundamental strength of our democracy and the most fundamental right and responsibility every one of us has

is to vote. And we go and we vote on election day, knowing that our vote counts and that democracy means a legal majority determines what the outcome is. And what these people are doing is trying to undermine our confidence in the outcome of that vote with no credence, no credibility, no facts to back it up. But people believe it. This was a true story. I was in Belleville, Michigan, walking down the street. And I'd like to go out. I don't have staff. I don't have entourages. I'm me.

I go by myself because I want to hear. I want people to feel that they can talk to me. And that's how I know what's going on. And two labor guys walked up to me and said, could we talk to you? I said, sure. And they wanted to know what was wrong about someone having to show ID before they voted. And I said, in Michigan, people are trying to, some seniors have been on absentee voting ballot lists for, you know, since they turned 65. There's some that have been on it for 20 or 30 years.

Getting to the clerk's office is hard. And what they're trying to do is to now say their AV ballot wouldn't count unless they came to the clerk's office somehow and show the ID or the vote wouldn't count. And, you know, if you're a senior and not getting around or you can't drive, you don't have your driver's license anymore, that's hard. You got on that list by establishing your credibility. So they gave me that point. We talked about a lot of issues going forward.

We talked for a good solid 15 minutes, had very honest, again, respectful conversations. But at the end of it, they said, we really appreciate you taking this time, but we still think Donald Trump won the election. And that's what's happening out there. I mean, we've seen these audits in state after state. The fact of the matter is, Joe Biden's picking up more votes, not less. By the way, I'm someone that said Donald Trump could win four years ago. Nobody believed me. Everybody, or five years ago now, everybody's, oh, there's Debbie. And I saw it in Michigan, because I was out there. I was listening to people. Union workers were really mad about trade.

But I also saw what, I mean, I'd listen. Joe Biden won this is real. People need to understand this is real. And that if we don't fight back and protect our democracy, make sure that everybody who's an American can vote and has that right to vote, and we don't make it hard for them to get to a poll to vote, we're in trouble. And by the way, we are in trouble. I couldn't agree with you more. And by the way, we are in trouble. I couldn't agree with you more. And our followers, I know voting rights is their number one issue. It's the thing they're most concerned about. And I think they look at you, Representative Dingell, and your colleagues, and they say, this has been the most productive Democratic House in recent memory. The amount of bills that you guys are passing, the amount of work you are doing for

the American people is astronomical. But then what happens? It goes to the Senate where it seems like all legislation goes to die. How can we get past this filibuster? What is your recommendation? What are your thoughts on the filibuster? And how do we get through to those couple of Democratic politicians in the Senate that this is an existential crisis and we need to act now by any means necessary? Well, I could give you my flip answer, which is to quote a man that I love deeply, who wrote a book the year before he died, where he said we should eliminate the Senate. And I agree with him. But since we're not going to be able to do that, I mean, I'm not a member of the Senate. I mean, I now hear rumors, rumblings. I have not talked to the president directly about this

myself. That he is beginning to get close to being supporting eliminating the filibuster. But I think you all should keep the pressure on united states senators that i you know i i think that our forebears were very smart when they wrote our constitution when uh and they knew what they were doing although you know no one ever i think thought that we would have five states that would have the population equal to the rest of the country. We don't want to have that kind of disproportionate impact on it. I think that the most important thing, because it's Senate rules, it's not House members, if we could do it, we could get you the votes. You got to keep the public pressure on that it is time to review and change some of those rules that were written at a time

that no one could predict that we would be where we are now. And Representative Dingell, when you speak of pressure, you're a lawmaker yourself, what kind of pressure works? Well, not everybody's like me. I mean, if you happen to have a senator, which there aren't many that do, that are out and about, you should talk to them when you see them. You know, try to find their town meetings if they're having them. But so, you know, if there are places that you know they're going to be, go talk to them. But otherwise, it's phone calls. A lot of people have done grassroots advocacy mailings. People know when they're getting an organized campaign.

And organized campaigns, while they can show strength of feeling, probably don't get listened to as much as you're individualizing how you feel. And you express your opinion through letters, phone calls, write an op-ed, put a letter to the editor, try to get on the radio, get your community organized. That's how I got involved years ago. I mean, I got the 18-year-old vote passed. And when I was still in high school, I organized Citizens United for the Vote at 18. I organized high school students across the state of Michigan. What did I know back then except that I was like taxation without representation. Nobody cared about us. And that was my first, you know, since then. I mean, before I ever became a member, I felt strongly about women's health when I found that we weren't included in any of the federal research.

I mean, this was a while ago now, and started the National Women's Health Resource Center and organized people from around the country. Because just because I have hormones, we're 50% of the population. And I want to know how a drug or what's happening is going to, you know, no offense, guys, you're three very handsome young men. But you act differently of things than I do as a woman. And we needed to know that.

So I became an activist organizer at a very early age around the issues that I cared about. And I found people, you can find them. It's easy. You start organizing and you organize at a grassroots level and you make your voices heard. That's incredible. Thank you so much. Switching gears here slightly, Donald Trump back in the news again this weekend in Georgia,

spewing and pushing the big lie. I'm not going to really ask you about him, but I'm going to ask you about our news media in general. How important is it that our news media, when they report that Donald Trump is spewing the big lie, actually report why it's the big lie and report news, not just that it happened, but why it's important in the context of the world. It really deeply concerns me that no one knows what's news now and what's commentary and that it is slanted. the press has always been in a critical, I mean, since the founding of this country, of facts, non-biased, just the facts. And I, you know, we have opinion writers, we have people like you that express your opinion. Podcasts are obviously one of the new forms of media in some way. But I think that when someone is not telling the truth, they should try to present it in a way so that people know the whole story and see the whole picture and not just the distorted message that whoever it is, is trying to deliver,

but that it be delivered in a way that people know what the facts are. And I just wanted to say, I know you've mentioned earlier that it wasn't your proudest moment, but I watched that video from over the weekend on loop and I was proud. I was proud that finally that there was a representative that stood up to all the BS and just stopped that right in its track. So thank you so much from the bottom of my heart. And I think from a lot of Democrats everywhere that are sick and tired of us just being pushed over. Thank you, Jordi. I will.

While I don't like how I feel, I will not be bullied and I will not let other people bully people. So I'm not going to just because I had a bad moment. If I see bullying, I will always stand up for it when it is the right thing to do for the country that I love and the people I represent. And it was Jordi's proudest moment. Representative Dingell, we thank you so much for your time. Thank you for joining us on the Midas Touch podcast. Your insight today was truly incredible. And we thank you once again. Thank you, guys. I love being with you and go blue.

That's a Michigan pride. It can mean something else too. Who's Michigan up against this weekend? Is it Wisconsin? I think it's Wisconsin this weekend. I can't, I've been so focused that I haven't gotten there. It's an away game though, that I do know. Well, we won't ruin this interview by telling you that Jordy went to the Ohio state. we won't ruin this interview by telling you that jordy went to the ohio state i would never ruin this interview by telling you that jordy went to the ohio state you guys are mad because representative dingle likes me more than you guys now you have to make her not like me on the way out so well no well don't just be one day the saturday after thanksgiving you and i will be on opposite sides but it's too bad that your color is red and mine's blue more ways than one. Representative Dingell,

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We know that Letitia James, the AG of New York, has been involved in a criminal investigation into the Trump organization. Of course, we know that within the Manhattan DA's office, Cy Vance has already filed charges in Allen Weisselberg, the CFO of the Trump organization. And Letitia James in the AG's office is also participating in that action. But in connection with Letitia James' criminal investigation out of the New York AG's office, they've been subpoenaing records for the Trump Organization. It shouldn't shock anybody that the Trump Organization has not produced the records

that are deemed responsive to the requests and the subpoenas have been now put before a judge and a New York judge has ordered the Trump Organization to submit a report next week to the New York Attorney General in an effort to resolve these disputes. The order by Judge Arthur Engeron states, quote, the Trump Organization by September 30th, 2021, shall provide a report in reasonable detail of actions to preserve, collect, and produce hard copy and electronic documents responsive to the AG subpoenas.

The judge says the Trump Organization, quote, shall work diligently to comply with each of the production and other responsibilities. I think there's a problem there. I don't think the word diligent and responsibilities can actually be in the same sentence as the Trump Organization. Letitia James stated, quote, for more than a year now, the Trump Organization has failed to adequately respond to our subpoenas, hiding behind procedural delays and excuses. Once again, the court has ordered that the Trump organization must turn over the information and documents we are seeking, otherwise face an independent third party that will ensure that takes place. Our work will

continue undeterred because no one is above the law. What do you think about that, Brett Jordy? I think that these investigations are heating up. It seems like we're getting a lot of movement when you look at New York, when you look at Georgia, when you look at the January 6th Select Committee. Those seem to be the places right now where Trump is in the most legal jeopardy. And so I think we need to watch as these develop. And I think these are actually starting to move really quickly. I think these investigations are starting to get really, really serious. And it's probably helpful that Trump goes out and just admits to crimes. Like when have you ever-

It's the craziest part. You're just allowed to do that. We saw even like Sidney Powell the other day go on the air and she just kind of admitted to sedition, admitted to a plot where she said Trump would take care of everything as long as they could delay on January 6th, the certification of the 2020 election that Trump would take care of the rest. That was basically Sidney Powell's plan. Dude, they are the dumbest fucking criminals ever. Let's just do it, Brett. Just play the video. Let's play the Sidney Powell because it ties into this.

We were filing a 12th Amendment constitutional challenge to the process that the Congress was about to use under the Electoral Act provisions that simply don't jive with the 12th Amendment to the United States Constitution. And Justice Alito was our circuit justice for that. Louie Gohmert was the plaintiff in our lawsuit. And we were suing the vice president to follow the 12th Amendment as opposed to the Electoral Count Act or Electoral College Act. So that was the main point. And Nancy Pelosi had finagled to file an amicus brief in it. There had been inside goings on in Congress whereby I believe it was Steve Scalise and McCarthy kept her from being an actual party. She wanted to work her way into the case of the party, but somehow politically that didn't happen. But so she got noticed when we made our filing because she wanted to file an amicus brief or had filed an amicus brief. And then, you know, everything broke loose and she had to really speed up reconvening Congress to get the vote going before Justice Alito might've issued an injunction to stop it all, which is

what should have happened. It's like every day that passes Ben and Jordy, like they say something else that shows, that lays out the framework of what they were hoping happened on January 6th and why they brought that crowd to the Capitol and why they instructed them to storm the Capitol to continue the process that night. They were hoping to delay that process as long as possible. So then Trump could step in and do whatever he could in his power to try to delay certification. And then we'll play Trump's clip from Arizona, from Georgia, when he talks about calling Brian Kemp. But I said to these young people, let me handle it. I was going to show them how good I am. Let me handle it. I'll call them up. I said, Brian, listen, you know, you have a big election integrity problem in Georgia. I hope you can help us out and call a special election.

And let's get to the bottom of it for the good of the country. Let's get to the bottom of it for the good of your state. Let's go. Election integrity. What could be better than that? Sir, I'm sorry. I cannot do that. I said, you cannot do that. And that's why. Let me tell you, this guy's a disaster.

Trump is doing Ben doing Trump. I mean, when you when you watch and listen to it, it is the biggest clownish. You know, it's what who else in the whole entire world speaks in this way? I mean, it's the craziest thing that there is still a subsection of of human beings who look to this guy and go, yep, yep. You know, I mean, it's crazy. That's our guy. Trump followed that up by basically telling voters that he would prefer to have Stacey Abrams as governor than Brian Kemp. So you have the old impressions, right?

You have the old impressions of Trump that are more like, ladies and gentlemen, here's what we need to do. And then occasionally the impressions got like, and we need to do it like this. And now Trump just has this kind of oscillating craziness that like you couldn't even do a profession because it would be like and then brian kemp told us that we need to do this because we're going to the rifle store and then brian did anything and then we all need to say hey donald trump they said sir they said sir sir why would you do this sir and i said to him sir here's the reason it's because i'm donald trump like there's no it's the crazy these clips are just we are watching someone who

needs to be in a stray jacket because he's literally gonna eat his own flesh. It's a fucking psycho. Yeah. If this man was not a former president and didn't have money, he would be taken off the streets for like 51-51. I have a theory why his inflection changes so much that is really nasty. And I can't get it out of my head now that I've thought about it. But every time he goes, hi high because he's clenching, because he's going to poop his pants and then he relaxes. That's why people come to minus touch for the hard hitting political. I hope that Debbie Dingle after the interview,

it is not continuing to listen. And if you are, I'm sorry, that was Jordy. Just some other news to bring up. You saw Meet the Press for some reason that's entirely unclear other than Meet the Press just wants to kind of doesn't understand the law of holes. They keep digging deeper and kind of just shaming their reputation at this point. It used to be an incredibly important platform where on Sundays people can talk about issues. Now it's like just the WWE wrestling match that

Swalwell talked to us about. They bring on Meghan McCain. Right there, just right before even hearing what she has to say. You're like, that's a move of a show. It's an unserious program that brings on Meghan McCain to speak. Completely unserious program. She goes on, she proceeds to basically say that the Build Back agenda is $5 trillion. It's unpopular and it represents basically a problem that the democrats are pushing this agenda um which went unchecked on the show

um and then meet the press twitter account then basically runs that quote with no context as though it's fact and publishes the quote um and i think and you know john fav and, you know, John Favreau, you know, rightly pointed out, one is not $5 trillion. Second, it polls extremely well, 55 to 70%, depending on different months, but it polls in the 60s, usually mid 60% support. And the only reason it doesn't have full support is that you have people who hear Trump go like that and they go, that man is smart and they think that COVID isn't real. So how could you expect those people to support anything rational? And then, you know, meet the press, just double downs on it. And it's a problem that we keep seeing in the media. This is what the media does.

They go, the Build Back Better bill is polling at 70% positive rating. What are Democrats doing about the 30%? The Democrats are in disarray. Let's go to a local diner and talk to Trump supporters about why this is a offensive and horrible bill. And then you're like, wait, you just said it was 70% popular. Why are we talking to these people? Why don't we talk to the people who are saying how much this bill is going to help their lives? Why don't we talk to the people who are getting the child tax credit and who have been lifted up out of poverty by child tax credits? Why aren't we talking to the people who are going to be able to drive to work on roads that are smooth, on bridges that are safe, who get broadband in rural areas who previously had not had them?

Why aren't we talking to those people who this is going to positively impact? And why are we speaking to the cultists? And a lot of times when I make these criticisms, people go, oh, so you think no Republican should be on TV? And that's not really what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is these lies should not be allowed to be spewed, unchecked in the mainstream media. Hey, it's one thing if these people go on

Newsmax where it really is just a propaganda network, but if you were going on Meet the Press on NBC, there is an expectation for the host to push back. There is an expectation that when that show posts on social media, that they post a comment with the proper context. They don't just post the lie and amplify the lie. And that is the problem we are seeing with these organizations. And they become very fragile once you point them out. And it's almost like they're fucking with us at this point. Like getting Meghan McCain on this show, who is not a relevant political figure to speak about these issues, who truly is just a propagandist at this point. It's not a serious thing to bring

on that show when you could have Democratic leaders who are pushing the bill and even Republican people who may have legitimate concerns about the spending bill. Bring those people on and make sure that each side is telling the truth and correct the record and deliver to the American people the truth about what is going on here. You just expect so much more out of a Meet the Press. I mean, not anymore. Obviously, what they've turned into is just disgusting. But when Cat Turd 2 and Meet the Press have the same journalistic standards, there's a real problem. A real problem. Cat Turd and Meet the Press don't have the same journalistic standards. But the reality is is meet the press is the cat turd of uh broadcast news is that what jordan just said the press is not the guy but guys even dan rather

did you see what dan rather wrote the other day i mean i think what dan rather wrote and and dan rather is a guy who spent his whole life covering the news and even he is laughing at captain meet the press no i'm laughing that you did. Is a guy. Is a guy. And one of the problems. Dan Rather wrote the other day, here at one of the problems with how politics is covered is many have forgotten that the purpose of politics is policy as in solving problems.

It's not about scoring points in a game of inside baseball. And to cover it as such undermines the health and safety of our nation and the planet. And I could not agree with what Dan Rather said more. And that's what we see when we have a Meghan McCain on these shows. They are bringing her on for that WWE style performative bullshit aspect.

They are bringing her on to try to say something controversial. They think it will help them in the ratings. They know that we'll be outraged. And so it's almost best we don't feed into it with our, you know, giving them engagement on these things. But we just, you know, shame them as properly as we should. Like, we should just show just utter disdain for what this is without tuning in, without sharing the Meghan McCain clips, because these people are unserious people and they have

no they have no place in the political discourse, which should be about, as Dan Rather said, about creating policy that helps people's lives. Because Democrats deliver at the end of the day. And to close out the show of Democrats Deliver with Representative Debbie Dingell, I want to show a graphic and talk about the graphic to those listening on the podcast. It is from Mark Levin of Fox News, who talks about the Dems' radical ideas in spending. And this is literally what the graphic says. And then they proceed to list what the radical ideas in spending are. And number one, extend the temporary child care credit with additional taxpayer subsidies.

Radical. Yikes. Two, expand Medicare to include dental, vision, and hearing. I think people should be able to get dental and vision and hearing. Radical. How dare they hear? Radical. Hearing is very radical.

How dare they hear and see? Lower the Medicare age from 65 to 60. These are all wildly popular concepts. There's nothing radical about any of these. The radical piece is that there is a group of GQP humans, the whole entire GQP, who thinks that other humans don't have the right to dental vision and hearing. And maybe it's because these individuals themselves are so upset about everything and are so disenchanted that they don't want to hear or see any things because they've been lied to over and over again by their phony Ponzi scheme fraud leaders like Donald Trump. But at the end of the day, we live in a world where we want people to have these things, dental, vision,

hearing, childcare. These are not radical concepts at all. And what I loved about our interview with Representative Debbie Dingell today is that messaging is going to win elections at the end of the day. bullshit from the meet the presses and all of this that try to make this a fair fight. When at the end of the day, the only fair fight is the true fight for American people and to deliver things what Americans want, not a WWE political battle. It almost seems like what these shows are. And Brett and Jordy, you'll remember this reference. You'd have computer assistance on when we would play video games, or you could have kind of computer assistance off. Remember when computer assistance would be on, they try to keep the games as fair as possible.

No matter what you do, the games would try to be kept fair. And to some extent, the media because their ratings depend on close races and drama. They want to keep that computer assistance on. They want to keep that media assistance on. They want to keep that media assistance on. And that's not what Midas Touch is about. Midas Touch is about, we want to fight unapologetically for democracy and uplift these voices. Brett, final thoughts. My final thoughts are that there's a difference between a party fighting internally about what

is best for the country in terms of, should we be spending this amount of money on infrastructure or should we be spending that amount of money on infrastructure? Should we include this provision or should we include that provision? Versus a party who is fighting about, should we have a democracy or should we just overthrow the government? Should we do an insurrection? Should we do another insurrection? Those things are different things and these should not be held on the same plane. And it's important for all of us to call it out and for us to fight for the values that mean a lot to us. And I hope you also take what Representative Dingell said into effect, because we don't just want to call out

the problems, but we want to solve them. And what Representative Dingell said about going to your elected officials, showing up at the meetings, making phone calls, sending emails, sending tweets at them, do that all please and do it respectfully as always. We always ask that you contact representatives in a respectful manner, but apply that pressure and turn up the pressure high and let's stay positive out there. And I really think that we are going to have incredible victories to come for democracy and for the Democratic Party. But it's going to require all of us working together towards a common goal to make that

happen. And Jordy, any final words before giving the shout out? I personally wouldn't be surprised if Chuck Todd runs the Cat Turd Twitter account. Shout out to the Midas Mighty!