The MeidasTouch Podcast - DONALD TRUMP INDICTED IN WASHINGTON D.C. (MeidasTouch Podcast x Political Beatdown Crossover Episode)

Episode Date: August 2, 2023

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free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. An indictment was just handed up before the magistrate judge by Assistant United States Attorney Molly Gaston. The grand jury foreperson connected to the January 6th grand jury was in court when it was handed up. The indictment will be filed and sealed. We believe this is the indictment that Special Counsel Jack Smith has just filed that a grand jury has just voted on. The indictment we believe has just been secured just moments ago before a person handing it to the judge. This would be another indictment of Donald Trump for engaging in criminal conduct regarding the 2020 election and the January 6th

insurrection. Also potential criminal conduct regarding his political action organizations as well. As soon as this indictment is unsealed, we will bring that to you. But I got chills talking about that, Michael Cohen, sharing this historic moment with you, with the brigaders, and we're going to bring in some legal analysts in just a bit and keep the coverage going. But no better person to get an immediate reaction from than you, Michael Cohen, who has endured years and years of this. What is your immediate reaction to hearing this live on Political Beatdown? Well, again, it goes right back to what I was saying that I'm saddened for the country. And it's for that reason that, you know, the two finger salute goes to the former president. Fuck you for putting the country through this. Really,

fuck you for doing the things that you continue to do day in and day out. Take the responsibility, own it, right? Instead of having your minions come out there, stop attacking people like Jack Smith. The guy is doing his job. And the fact that you don't like the job that he's doing doesn't mean that he's deranged or corrupt in the Biden family and so on. There has not been a single shred of evidence that any one of your people have produced. And remember, the guy who was looking into the Biden scenario happens to be a holdover from the Trump administration. So you got to stop this shit. It is damaging our country. It is making neighbor feud with neighbor. It's making state feud with state. We're allowing the entire country to run

amok simply so that they can follow into the nonsensical statements of Donald Trump, the Alina Habas, and all of these sycophantic lawyers who think that they're doing good, but they're not. What they're doing is they're just regurgitating Donald's bullshit so that they keep the money flowing. Look, one of the things that's crazy is right after Trump made the, again, announcement that he was going to be indicted, that he got the target letter, what goes out? 50 different text messages to everybody, whether it's from his kids, whether it's from staff, whether it's from him, dear patriot, dear American, you know, dear MAGA, all of a sudden, you know, he's again, grifting for

the money. And he's not grifting for the money in order to defend them. It's where he lies. And he just lies to them and say, oh, I'm doing this for you. I'm putting my big ass body in front of the Democrats to protect you. That's not true. All right. In fact, you know, he's only looking out to protect one person and one person only, and that is himself. And you, you fools are out there doing what you are paying for his defense of himself. So it's time that we smarten up as a country. And again, it's why how many times in every single one of these episodes on political beatdown, I say to our brigaders, it is essential that we ensure that we are fully registered to vote come 2024, that I cannot wait for us to have this

rally together, for all of us to have one unified voice against autocracy in favor of democracy. Let's try to take not just the House and the Senate and the White House, again, fully democratic, so that we can actually get things done that benefit all Americans, not just Democrats, all Americans. I want to give the Brigaders all the breaking news as we learn about it. We will be learning about it together. Here is what we are learning. First, this comes from Josh Gerstein, breaking a grand jury just returned an indictment against a defendant who was not identified publicly, even by initials or grand jury number. Was put under seal. A prosecutor who handles the January 6th matter, criminally investigating Donald Trump. Before that grand

jury, Molly Gaston submitted what is believed to be a Trump indictment. Here is an update. Molly Gaston, this is from Kyle Chaney at Politico. Molly Gaston, a prosecutor detailed to the special counsel, handed up a single sealed indictment and received permission to issue a summons. That just happened moments ago. No names or initials provided. Kyle Cheney also reports court is now closed. We may have to wait for Trump to get the summons and hop on his social media platform to learn what happened. This from Jim Acosta at CNN, the federal grand jury hearing evidence in special counsel Jack Smith's investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election, handed up an indictment in the federal

courthouse in Washington, D.C. And here's the post that Donald Trump made moments ago. Let's pull this up salty, what Donald Trump said when we have it, but Donald Trump said that he is expecting to be indicted at 5 p.m. Eastern. That is what is coming from Donald Trump's social media platform. So that is all of the information we have. If there is a press conference, there it is right there by salty pulling it up. I hear Jack Smith is going to indict me at 5 p.m. I'm just going to take away all the other stupid and idiotic stuff that he writes on that social media post. Want to remind everybody as well about the new Midas Touch website, MidasTouch.com. We're going to be announcing in the coming weeks some of the top editors, some of the top reporters who are

going to be working for MidasTouch.com. And that's all made possible thanks to you, the Brigaders, thanks to the Midas Mighty. Everybody who's contributed memberships to the Midas Touch Network has allowed us to expand MidasTouch.com for all breaking news. It's going to complement what we're doing here on YouTube. Michael Cohen, as we're learning more, and again, we'll break to a press conference the moment we hear about it, the moment we learn more, but from all indications, the indictment has been handed down against Donald Trump for trying to overthrow the 2020 election. This is a day of accountability. But to your point, Cohen, as well, it is also very, very, very distressing that this even exists and that the Republican Party has done this.

Sure. But Ben, one of the bigger problems that's here is this is only one part of the corrupt behavior that occurred during the Trump administration. You know, I talk about my book, Revenge, and I ask everyone to please go to Amazon, buy the book. Why? I want you to understand what revenge is all about. Revenge is Donald Trump weaponizing. And let me say this again, because it's a word that Donald Trump throws out every single day, multiple times a day in posts on television and wherever else any of his acolytes or himself, you know, are in a position to spew it. My book, Revenge, how Donald Trump weaponized the United States Department of Justice against

his critics. Do I have to go any further than go back to the term that we talked about, you know, 45 minutes or so ago, deflection. Donald Trump knew exactly what he was doing when he was, when it was his administration, and he believes that he's going to be able to deflect away from his culpability so that, you know, it's now on the Biden administration, despite the fact that the Biden administration is not weaponized. Jack Smith doesn't work for Joe Biden. You know who worked for Donald Trump? Bill Barr. And if you see the most corrupt prosecution against a United States citizen in the history of our country and why I tell people it is so imperative that you read this book, it by my own country because I refused to waive my First Amendment constitutional right. Well, what country are we living?

This isn't North Korea. This isn't Saudi Arabia. This isn't Russia, like where they jailed Navalny because he is a critic of President Putin. This is the United States of America. You have your God-given constitutional rights. Well, not under a Trump administration. And Donald Trump, as I have said over and over and over again, and these indictments are proving it,

Donald Trump is the single greatest threat to America's democracy that has ever existed. And we cannot, not for a split second, let our guard down because this cockroach will end up infesting our entire country with the ideology of fascism and autocracy. And we just can't allow it to happen. As we wait for more information about what we believe to have been the new indictment that was just brought against Donald Trump, I will point out that there was another indictment handed down in Michigan where the former MAGA Attorney General candidate Matt DiPerno and the ex-state MAGA representative Dare Rendon are now facing criminal charges for their alleged roles in an effort to access Michigan voting machines after the 2020 presidential election. This is being reported by the Detroit News Support Local News. A special prosecutor confirmed in a statement earlier that the continued criminal

investigation into the tampering of vote tabulators is ongoing and not over. Quote, the charging decision was the result of a thorough decision-making process by an independent citizen's grand jury. It should not shock you, Michael Cohen, that this was the MAGA Republican candidate. Matt DiPerno was being pushed by Donald Trump, by all of the MAGA leadership, and he was going to then attack all of the people in the pro-democracy community. And so it is a good day for justice there in Michigan. Now all eyes turn to Washington, D.C. as the politicalSPAN is playing right now. But as soon as the press conference occurs, we will take you live. Salty, you want to do one more sound check right there just to make sure that everything sounds perfect. Beautiful, Salty. Everybody throw those salty emojis. Also, I got a Ben emoji yesterday,

thanks to the Midas Mighty hitting 400 memberships by hitting that dollar sign on the YouTube page. Thank you, everybody, for unlocking the Ben emoji. It was funny. I certainly appreciate it as well. So that's big news coming out from Michigan. You mentioned before we went to break, and as we wait for this indictment, you mentioned the cult followers who showed up at this Trump event. And this is what it means to be a modern day Republican. That is so shocking to say, Michael Cohen. These are the people that Donald Trump is grifting off of to pay his legal bills, $1, $5, $10. But it's a salty, you got to prepare. Oh man. But these are the people that, that was genius. But here, I want to show you this one. I want to show you this one, Cohen. This is a woman who was at the Trump rally saying that, hey, she's proud to be in a cult. Here, play this clip.

I am a huge Trump supporter, and I was just told yesterday that I was part of a cult, and I'm damn proud of it. I am. He's part of us. He truly is. And the things that liberals are putting his family through is horrendous. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. He's part of you. Right.

Why don't you invite Donald over for a beer to sit at your, you know, to sit outside of your of your double wide? I mean, so stupid. Does she not understand that Donald wouldn't cross the street to piss on her if she was on fire? I mean, they create this image of him like these fake NFTs of Donald as a superhero, as a cowboy, you know, as a, you know, as a special secret agent or something like that. I mean, that's not who he is. And the funny thing is, none of them know him. Zero. All they hear is when he gets up there or when he sends them a text message, I'm protecting you. Really? What, they're putting Donald and his family through? What do you think Donald has put me and my family through? What do you think he's going to

put you and your family through if, God forbid, a million times that he somehow manages to recapture the White House? There is a list of thousands, I don't even know how many thousands, of people on his hit list, on his enemies list, and he will spend four years, if not more, trying to figure out two things. The first is how to remain president for the rest of his natural life and how to get back at each and every person seriously times 10 that's on that list. That's what this country is going to end up becoming. Michael Cohen, we're going to be joined shortly by Karen Friedman Agnifilo, a co-host of Legal AF. She used to be the number two in the Manhattan District Attorney's office. So she's going to come with incredible insight. We also have Michael Popak, who's going

to be joining us soon. This just in, former President Donald Trump has been informed he has been indicted by a federal grand jury regarding the special counsel's probe into Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Sources with direct knowledge tell ABC News. Let me repeat that one more time. Former President Trump has been informed just moments ago that he has been indicted by a federal grand jury regarding the special counsel's probe into Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. As we shift to the second hour of this historic broadcast, and we said when we went live, we get good information here. We said it could be happening in minutes when no one else was saying that it was going to be happening in minutes. We have our very, very

reliable sources. We will be joined in the second hour by top legal analysts, Michael Popock, Karen Friedman, Agnifilo, and others. But as we hit this second hour of our broadcast. People want to hear from you, Michael Cohen, about this historic news. Donald Trump has been informed. He has been indicted again, this time in Washington, D.C., for his efforts to overthrow our democracy, Cohen. Which, by the way, is going to create for a very interesting September 6th deposition where Donald will be under oath. Of course, it'll be videotaped and transcribed. It's going to make for a very, not just interesting, but a potentially very dangerous deposition for Donald. And, you know, again, thanks to all of you who have donated and helped to bring us to where we're at. I can assure you, the lawyers,

Donya Perry and Benjamin Brodsky, are fighting in order to prevent it from being sealed. We believe in transparency. We want transparency. We want the public to be able to see Donald, you know, as he responds to the various questions that are going to be asked, you know, and to basically expose him for the fraudster that he is, the user of our legal system in order to intimidate and retaliate against, again, critics, people that he doesn't like, like me. Now, you know, it's crazy. I want to just go back for two seconds and talk about the server that was in that alleged small audio room. One of the things that has not been discussed, and you're going to hear it from me first, is that this server is the local server for Mar-a-Lago. Each and every one of the Trump properties has its own server on site. And those servers, of course, is the hub where all of the video that comes in gets fed through. But all of that then goes to a program, a mainframe, which is also then simultaneously sent to Trump Tower, where it sits for, you know, until they

end up deleting it there as well. So just by deleting it at the audio room level would not have gotten rid of the tape. So there is more here than meets the eye. And that, again, you know. Let's pull up the docket in the new case, United States versus Trump. You can see right here that the case has been unsealed as to Donald Trump. You see the indictment, then there's a motion to seal the case that was filed. And here it is, folks. This looks to be the cover page of the new indictment filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, United States of America versus Donald Trump. 18 U.S.C. Section 371, conspiracy to defraud the United States. Count two, 18 U.S.C.

Section 1512K, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. Count three, 18USC section 1512C2, obstruction of an attempt to obstruct an official proceeding. Count four, 18USC section 241, conspiracy against rights. This is coming out from Reuters Legal right here. And again, as we learn more, as we see more, we will make sure that we are posting that right here. I want to mention to everyone as well who's joining us that Cohen has a legal defense fund that we all helped put together in connection with the frivolous lawsuit filed against him by Donald Trump in the Southern District of Florida, where Trump is seeking $500 million. Unlike Donald Trump and how Donald Trump does things, all of the funds here go to Cohen's legal defense in the Southern District of Florida. And big news that Michael

Cohen broke earlier in this broadcast that he is seeking Donald Trump's deposition. He is getting Donald Trump's deposition on September 6th in Florida. That's certainly going to be very interesting as well. And we're hearing now from multiple reports, again, more confirmation that Trump was just indicted. We will be bringing this information to you as we learn more here on the Midas Touch Network. We will soon be joined by legal analysts, Karen Friedman Agnifilo and Michael Popak. We're actually joined right now by Karen Friedman Agnifilo. Karen Friedman Agnifilo, co-host of Legal AF. Thanks for joining the political beatdown crossover episode that's now become the breaking news. Karen

Friedman Agnifilo, I want to get your thoughts on this breaking news. No one better to hear from than you and Cohen as well for different reasons, but very important reasons. Karen Friedman, Agnipola. Hi. So, yeah, I mean, we haven't seen the indictment yet, but, you know, it was always a question about whether this is going to be a sweeping hundred count indictment with multiple, multiple defendants, because after all, there are so many people who were colluding with Donald Trump regarding trying to steal the election. And so we were wondering, is this going to be a big, huge indictment like that? Or is this going to be a

more limited, discrete indictment? I've always predicted it's going to be a limited, discrete indictment, just charging Donald Trump, maybe one or two others, you know, kind of along the lines of Walt Nara and Carlos de Oliveira. But I think that this is going to be a very limited, small indictment just against him and just a few charges because Jack Smith wants to get this case to trial before the election. And that's the best chance he has at doing that, at keeping it limited and short and small. You don't need a thousand charges, right? That's just more charges that you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury. You just need the ones that you can prove limited, clear, streamlined, and there's less

motions to make, less defense attorneys who can ask for time and ask for delay. Keep it short, keep it small, keep it streamlined, but tell your story. I anticipate this will be a speaking indictment that will have a lot of information in there the way Jack Smith did with Mar-a-Lago, right? He explained what the charges were, what the evidence was, and what kind of information he had really told a story. You don't have to be a lawyer to read the Mar-a-Lago indictment. You can understand it just from the way he wrote it. I anticipate that this indictment is going to be very similar. The news reporting has been that there are four counts on the indictment, which, you know, is along the lines of what I was just saying, that they're going to keep it short.

We have the indictment right here, Karen, as well. There you go. So four counts. You don't even have any. You know, why don't we go over it? Oh, my God, and it's one defendant. And it's one defendant. It's exactly what I just said.

Oh, my God. Okay. Jack Smith, see, you know, Jack Smith and I used to work together. We were trained together. We were trained in the exact same place by the exact same person. So that's, you know, he, I would have done exactly what he did. One defendant, a few charges. That's exactly what he did. So great. 18 United States code section 371 is conspiracy to defraud the United States. That's two or more people who conspire to defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing, or some other way, defeating a governmental function with deceptive practices. You need an overt act. I think that's

going to be with respect to the Pence vote, you know, to stop Pence from certifying the election. I think that could be that. And it also could be the fake slates of electors. I think that could, those two could very nicely, those two fact patterns could fit very nicely into Section 371. The standard there is that he knowingly and willfully knew that it was false, that he defrauded the United States. He knew he lost the election. And they're going to say, look, there's more than 60 legal challenges that said that Bill Barr said that,

and it will require an overt act, which means just an act. It doesn't have to be an illegal act in and of itself to have been done by the co-conspirator, you know, with the co-conspirator. So it has to be him and another person. So you'll see co-conspirator number one, co-conspirator number two, co-conspirator number three, or unindicted co-conspirators, what it will say. Oh, the defendant's co-conspirators. There you go. We actually do have the indictment. Yeah, there you go. Co-conspirator one. See, I haven't even seen the indictment and I'm telling you what it says because that's exactly what it would do. So these are going to be the facts that

they're going to talk about regarding this charge. The other charge that he's charged with is 18 United States Code 1512 and two separate subsections. That is a scheme to obstruct, I say, the counting of the presidential electors on January 6th. Again, the pressure campaign against Pence. And this one requires that you corruptly obstruct or impede or attempt to obstruct an official proceeding, the official proceeding being the counting of the votes and certifying the election on January 6th. You have to act corruptly to be guilty of this crime. And clearly, Trump here, they're going to prove that he was self-interested, right? He didn't have the best interest of the American people when he tried to steal the election. So I think that's going to be how they prove that he acted corruptly.

And then the final charge is 18 United States Code Section 241, Conspiracy Against Rights. This is a Civil War era statute that was enacted when KKK used to try to not allow, you know, to take away people's votes and disenfranchise Black people who had just gotten and earned the right to vote. And that's a charge here. Basically, it's unlawful for two or more people. It's a conspiracy also to threaten or intimidate a person in their free exercise or enjoyment of their rights. Somebody acting under the color of law, what does that mean? So like a police officer or a government official, they're acting as if they're allowed to commit this, you know, to do the act, which is what Trump was doing as president, right? And so he was, you know, interfering with the electors, putting in the

fake slates of electors, etc. What I find, and so, you know, take away people's right to vote, and that's what that charge is. What I find surprising in this, although it was expected because it wasn't in the target letter, what I find surprising here is that Jack Smith stayed away from seditious conspiracy. Now, there was going to be a question of will he charge either the Insurrection Act, which is 18 United States Code 2383, or seditious conspiracy, which is 18 United States Code 2384. Now, if you recall, the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys and Stuart Rhodes, et cetera, the guys who violently tried to overthrow the government, those guys were charged with seditious conspiracy and they were convicted and that's, they were convicted and that's been upheld so far. The Insurrection Act has not been charged, you know, I think ever, or in a really, really long time, like, you know, since I think

it was since the Civil War, it was, it was the last time it was used. So many people didn't think that Jack Smith would charge it here for the first time. But seditious conspiracy is something that they, the Justice Department has, has charged, has charged these other individuals who breached the Capitol and violently, you know, did what they did on January 6. And look, there's a lot of evidence, and we saw it during the select committee's hearings. There's a lot of evidence to show that Donald Trump, you know, basically could also be charged with that. So I was hoping he would be. He was, you know, he's just as responsible, if not more than them, since they were doing it at his behest. But Jack Smith chose not to go there.

So, look, I'm talking about all of this. I haven't read the indictment. I'm just telling you what I think it would be. Ben, hopefully you'll send it to me so I can read it. We're going to post it on, we'll go through point by point so people can see it. For those joining, a historic event just taking place. Donald Trump indicted again in Washington, D.C. for his criminal conduct relating to the 2020 election. Michael Cohen, I'm going to get your reaction right now. Sure. So the very first thing that I saw is on Fox News on their digital. They then turn around and Karen, I wanted to sort of put this in your lap. They make a statement that President Trump has always followed the law and the constitution with advice from many highly accomplished attorneys

these un-american witch hunts will fail and president trump will be re-elected to the white house so he can save our country from the abuse incompetence and corruption that is running through the veins of our country at levels never seen before the question question, Karen, that I really have for you on this one, of course, knowing Donald as well as I do, he's already deflecting his responsibility or his accountability for the charges that you just enumerated in this indictment. He looks to me like he's going to try to shift the responsibility and the blame onto his highly competent, well-respected, overpaid by the fund, right, by the super PAC, by the lawyers. How does that work in his favor? Yeah, so there's a defense called the advice of counsel defense, right? So and we've had that in some in prosecutions before where somebody commits a crime, but they say, look, you know, like a tax crime, for example, he says, look, I didn't mean to commit this crime.

I went to a tax lawyer. The tax lawyer said I could do this. And, you know, if the tax lawyers in good faith thought that was the interpretation of the, if they thought that was the statute and gave that advice, that is okay, right? And so you won't be guilty because you didn't intend to commit the crime. You were acting on the advice of counsel. That is what some people use, you know, as a shield, but you also, you know, and it works sometimes, but he's trying to use it, you know, as a sword, not just a shield, right? He's trying to say that, look, you know, you know, he was given advice by multiple, multiple lawyers, including his attorney general, who conducted investigations into the voter fraud, including the 60 plus legal cases that he tried to bring but didn't rule in his favor. He was told by many

lawyers in the Justice Department, in the White House Counsel's Office, who said, you cannot do this. You cannot steal the election. You cannot put forth fake slates of electors. He didn't like that answer. So he kept looking for other lawyers who would would basically go and say what he wanted to say. So they weren't giving him advice. He was looking for lawyers who would go along with what he said. Now, he's going to say, well, John Eastman is the one whole scheme was actually a crime and it wasn't legitimate attorney-client privilege. And that is not going to fly if that's his defense. But that clearly, what they're setting up here is that was going to be his defense. But he's going to say, my wife is Rudy Giuliani. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I also think, by the way, that other than, say, Eastman, we're also looking at Rudy Caluti, drunken Giuliani, who I think will ultimately be

one of several fall guys in this specific journey. And as many times as I've tried to warn them about, you know, how Donald is going to handle, you know, the indictment that would emanate from Jack Smith's investigation of this. It's always somebody else. And who knows whether or not Rudy has already spoken, whether or not he's provided any pertinent information to Jack Smith, which could be the basis of this indictment. Yeah, you're right. You're 100% right. It's all these lawyers he's going to try to hide behind, and he's going to attempt to invoke this advice of counsel defense do something that is clearly not in keeping with any interpretation of the law. You know, you can't hide behind that. You can't basically you and your lawyer get together and say, well, I'm a lawyer, so let's go rob a bank together. And I told you that it was OK.

So, you know, you'll be OK with that. Right. It's that that's not OK. There has to be some good faith basis. Look, half his lawyers have been disbarred anyway, because they give such terrible advice. And, you know, he, like I said, he's gotten advice from so many lawyers about what the law actually is, but he didn't like it. And so he looked and sought out these lawyers. And I agree with you, Giuliani is definitely one of them. You know, he said in kind of an odd video that he was taping that, where they will just say things that they want to be true that are 100 percent false. And Rudy seems to be along those same lines.

And I think a stark example of that is, you know, there are multiple people who are at a meeting that I'm sure is going to be in this part of this indictment between Donald Trump and Mike Pence, where Mike, where Donald Trump asked Mike Pence, will you, you know, not certify the election? And Mike Pence says, no, I'm not going to do that. I don't have the power to do it. And what does Donald Trump do? He goes out and tweets, Mike Pence is on board. Mike Pence is going to do this. And I look at that and I'm like, it's just an outright lie. Like, it's not even like a philosophical difference. It's just an outright lie. It's not even a philosophical difference. It's not like I believe in lower taxes. I believe in higher taxes. This is an outright lie. And they just say things that are outright lies. So anyway, I don't know if Rudy Giuliani is saying I'm not cooperating.

I don't know if that's true or not. Do you remember during his administration when they were having the lie counter and after like thirty five thousand lies that Donald had told to the American people that they decided that they were going to just stop with it because it was so absurd. It was like six lies per day. So the fact that he is now lying about Mike Pence being on board or any of the other things, to me, it's not shocking. What Donald does is it's very Stalinistic, whereby if there if there's something that you want people to believe and you know it's a lie, the way that you get them to believe it is you repeat the lie over and over and over again. And then you get your surrogates to go on and to lie and to say the same misinformation, disinformation, malinformation. And you keep doing this over and over and over again until the lie becomes the truth. And Donald Trump has perfected that technique. He's just

perfected it. He manages to have enough people, whether it's because of his relationship to folks like a Sean Hannity or in the past, Tucker Carlson or any of the other hosts of whether it's Fox, Newsmax or whatnot, right? They would go out, they would regurgitate the lie again and again and again. And then they would get members of Congress to do the same thing. Ultimately, again, the lie becomes the truth. And that's Donald Trump's superpower. I want to say this. We are number one on all of YouTube in the world across all genres, all news networks right now. Thanks to the Brigade. Thanks to the Midas Mighty.

I want to bring on to this superstar panel, Michael Popak, co-host of Legal AF. We're bringing the whole network together. We got Michael Cohen, Karen Friedman Agnifilo, Michael Popak. The gang is here. Michael Popock, I want to get your reaction, Michael Popock, to what we are learning right now. Yeah, and you can hear me in the back. I'm sort of printing out the 45-page indictment. Karen Friedman Agnifilo, our colleague, was dead right when she said last week that the most perfect indictment she could envision would be a very simple indictment, one defendant, Donald Trump, and a small set of counts. conspirators, six in total. Karen was so right about Jack Smith putting together in an elegant fashion an indictment that is both sweeping in its approach, yet surgical in its attack,

and doesn't delay justice. He'll add other people. There is no doubt that one or more of the six co-conspirators that's unindicted for now will be indicted before things are over, but not now. That's for a different time and a different place. Let's get a surrender arraignment of Donald Trump. I know you've already started the conversation, so let me contribute on the co-conspirator part. Co-conspirator number one is an attorney. It's Rudy Giuliani. Co-conspirator number two is an attorney. It's John Eastman. Co-conspirator number one is an attorney. It's Rudy Giuliani. Co-conspirator number two is an attorney. It's John Eastman. Co-conspirator number three is an attorney. It's Sidney Powell. Co-conspirator number four, Department of Justice official, is Jeffrey Clark. Co-conspirator number

five, I want to hear from Ben. I think it may be Ken Cheeseborough. And co-conspirator number six could be a political operative for the fake electors, which I think is Peter Navarro. I'm open to other comments on five and six. I think I'm dead right on one through four. And then from there, having now laid out the cast of characters in this sordid play, Jack Smith then goes in a speaking indictment to talk about, well, what was the multiple conspiracies of which he says there are four conspiracies, all led by one Donald Trump to attack the function of the federal government in the counting and proper certification of a presidential election. Particularly, particularly he led off right where we think he should have with attacking any argument by Donald Trump that he lacked criminal intent or mens rea.

Look, Jack Smith's no dummy. He knows that Donald Trump has been floating the I just relied on attorneys. He started it with Michael Cohen, our colleague here about what happened with Stormy Daniels, relied on Michael Cohen. And you see Stephen Chung and all the rest have been trying to float in the last couple of days. Many, many attorneys Donald Trump relied on, many, many attorneys, because he's going to try for this sort of narrow defense of, I relied on attorneys and hope that a judge or jury buys it. Of course, indicting the future attorneys kind of plays into their hand. But the mens rea attack, I thought was brilliant in the indictment, particularly

Jack Smith said that the president, former President Trump was notified repeatedly that the lie was a lie, that he lost the election. And then they list in the indictment, all the people that told Donald Trump and any reasonable person that he lost the election. It says it starts with the vice president. Pence told him. Senior leadership of the Department of Justice told him. That would have been Bill Barr, Jeff Rosen, Richard Donahue. His national intelligence director told him.

His cybersecurity head, Chris Krebs, told him. His senior elected officials in other states told him. Members of the state legislature on the GOP told him. Federal and state judges told him. And his own in-house counsel, general counsel or White House counsel, that would have been Pat Cipollone and Eric Hirschman, told him. And therefore, you cannot continue to maintain the fallacy that I didn't know, nobody told me, when you have a list like that of so many people. And then lastly, for my initial comments, as this printer is still printing the indictment, is Jack Smith was also smart to anticipate arguments by Donald Trump. He said, it is okay at the top of the indictment. It is okay to use lawful means to

object if you're the loser of an election. It's okay to say with proper First Amendment rights to go use the legal system properly, to object, to use an audit process properly, to do all the things you're allowed to do under our system of election law. It is not okay to enter into a criminal conspiracy, to misuse all of those things, to weaponize the Department of Justice, to create fake electors, to deny everything that's happening before your very eyes, despite the weight of the evidence by people in senior leadership around you. That is not okay. Let's take a look at the room where special counsel Jack Smith is expected to be giving

a press conference shortly. Salty, if we can pull that up when you have a moment and see the crowd starting to come into that room. Look, I assume that we'll know this is ready to go when everybody takes their chairs. There's still some empty chairs. That's going to be a packed house. I could kind of guarantee you of that. Popak, I agree with your list right there. I like this four boxes of the crew right here. I agree with who you have as even one through six, including Chesbrough as five and six as Navarro. But we will, I'd love to hear from the Midas Mighty, the Legal AFers and the Brigaders in the YouTube chat below if they believe that those co-conspirators, for now unindicted co-conspirators

who may be receiving or have already received target letters, who those individuals are. Karen Freeman, Agnifilo, as we go back to you and then we'll hear from Cohen, any additional reflections that you have on this historic news that Donald Trump has been indicted this time in Washington, D.C. for his conduct regarding the 2020 election and the January 6th insurrection? I think, look, we got to see now who the judge is going to be, right? And how that will, you know, this is going to be an indictment in Washington. This is an indictment in Washington, D.C., so it's going to be a judge in D.C. and let's see, you know, whether we can get this. And Karen, I want to interrupt you right there. I hate to interrupt you, but I want to say,

we do know who the judge is right now. Judge Chutkin, we believe to be presiding over this case in DC, a Barack Obama appointee, federal judge, federal judge Chutkin and so pretty much the exact opposite of judge eileen cannon we see the initials on the filing and that's how we're able to surmise that's what everyone is reporting that's who i believe it to be sorry to interrupt you karen but i didn't know it's great no that's fantastic so look i think we're i think think Jack Smith is going to focus on the clear. What's very clear about this is this is the case he's going to try to get to trial before the election. And he will he needed to get this out there before Fannie Willis brings her case. And that's going to be in the coming weeks. Right.

Hers, I think, is going to be the sweeping indictment with a thousand counts and a million defendants and, you know, a big sweeping RICO conspiracy, which is the other way this can be done. And that is an important case to bring to. And and hopefully what will happen is she'll get a trial there and a conviction. It will not happen before the election because it'll be so big. And and Jack Smith's going to want to go first. But don't forget, hers will be pardon proof because it's in the state, right? And if Donald Trump wins or anybody wins, right, they can't pardon him or stop that investigation. So I think this is the case that Jack Smith is going to push to trial. You know, like he superseded Mar-a-Lago when he saw that Eileen Cannon wasn't going to have that one go in December, which is what Jack Smith asked for, and she put it over until May 2024. And so look, that case probably won't go before the election

because that's why he superseded and added more counts and another defendant. It's like, okay, that's, we're just not going to get that one done. But he made this one streamlined, short, sweet, just a few charges. He put all the issues in there that, that addressing what the potential defenses are going to be to diffuse them. And hopefully Judge Chutkin will, will push this case to trial. One more thing. This case does not have classified documents like the Mar-a-Lago case. So there's no top secret clearance that they need. They don't have to have a secured, you know, the SCIF where you can, where you look at those documents. They don't have to, you know, have a SEPA, the Classified Information Procedures Act hearing. You know, those are all

things that delay a case, right? It's very complicated. This is a simple case, streamlined case. And so this case will go to trial before the election. And that's what Jack It's very complicated. This is a simple case, streamlined case. And so this case will go to trial before the election. And that's what Jack Smith's goal was. The only other case that might go to trial before the election, I think, is your case, Michael Cohen, with Alvin We're going to bring you the press conference of special counsel, Jack Smith, when that goes live in a few moments. I want to show you right now some of the responses by MAGA Republicans. This is Marjorie Taylor Greene responding to the news, and then Michael Cohen, I want to get your reaction to what Marjorie Taylor Greene has to say. Play

the clip. Going to be soon indicting President Trump in Washington, D.C., and it's going to be something like we've never seen before. I think it's going to truly put not only President Trump and his family, all of his staff, put them to a test they've never been tested on, but it's also going to test our nation. And it's something that I've prayed about a lot, and it's just sad to me. Jack Smith, he's a terrible attorney. He has a lot of failures in his career, but he is abusing his power, the power of the special counsel and the Department of Justice. Cohen, I want to get your response in just a moment. I want to remind everybody that we've just launched MidasTouch.com. If you want to follow along with the full indictment, if you

want to follow along and read it for yourself, we just launched MidasTouch.com. It has breaking news stories. It's going to be one of the top destinations in the world. I think the top for pro-democracy news, but it's a way when we talk about documents, you can follow along with what we are saying. So go to MidasTouch.com. We just posted the story. We posted the full indictment. Read along with us while we talk about it. Now your reaction, Michael Cohen. So one of the things that I often say is that the only way to shut somebody like Marjorie Toilet Green up is not to give her the oxygen that she so desperately craves.

Why are we even putting her on? There's nothing that she says that is truthful. So why are we helping to promote the lies? Now, of course, we do need to understand that this is happening on the other side. But when Marjorie Taylor Greene turns around and starts talking about Jack Smith. She's only angry at him because Donald is angry at him because they're holding Donald accountable for his own actions. Listen, if he would have turned around and said that there is no indictment, we didn't find enough evidence in order to bring forth the case, she would be praising him as the smartest attorney that ever existed. So there is no truth. And what we need to do is we need to stop giving these lying pieces of shit. We need to stop giving them oxygen to promote their lies.

Let them do it on Newsmax, on OAN, or even Fox right now is not putting up with the lies that they curb them every single time that they start. So we are making a dent in stopping it, but she is one of the most despicable, despicable members of Congress that exists. And it's again, why I keep saying to our brigaders, when we get together for the rally, and I hope everybody's going to be there. One of the things that we want to do is ensure that our brigade is so large and our position is so strong that we're successful in ensuring that people like Marjorie Toilet Green, people like the Matt Gaetz's, the Josh Hawley's, the Ted Cruz's and so on, the Lindsey Graham's,

that they get voted out of office because they are doing nothing to promote democracy. All that they're doing is looking to, you know, to kiss Donald's ass so that when it when our country becomes an autocracy, that they are one of the commanders, like in the television show, The Handmaid's Tale. That's all that they're looking for is power and money for themselves. Let me tell you all I'm going to go to you, Karen, in just a moment. So the judge who's been assigned to this case, Judge Tanya Chutkin, an Obama appointee, the only federal judge in Washington, D.C., who has sentenced January 6th defendants to sentences longer than the government had requested just some background on Judge Chutkin. She's a Jamaican-American lawyer born in Kingston. She's a graduate of George Washington Law. I went to George Washington undergrad. She went to Penn undergrad, a lawyer at Hogan and Donovan, a public defender, a partner at Boyd's Schiller. Her husband was a DC Superior Court judge. Just want to give everyone the background

of the judge who's been assigned. Let me just emphasize again, an Obama appointee. So this is a pro-democracy judge here. Karen Freeman Agnifilo, I know that you've got a very busy schedule ahead of you, and we appreciate you sharing your thoughts first here on the Midas Touch Network. I know you're very sought after right now, but please, if you can, give us some of your thoughts and then we'll go to Michael Popock, who's been anxiously waiting right here. He's got his notes. He's ready to go. I mean, look, Jack Smith is a highly respected attorney that has been a lifelong public servant and career prosecutor. He started at the Manhattan DA's

office in 1994 with me, and we worked in the same small group, and he was trained with the highest ethics. He's an excellent lawyer. He left and went to the Department of Justice where he worked his way up and became a USA and then a US attorney down in Tennessee, and then he went to the Hague to prosecute war crimes. And look, I couldn't tell you if he's a Democrat or a Republican. Politics has never played any part in his life or in his consciousness. He's all about ethics, public service, and doing the right thing. He's never gone out for the money or the glory or the fame. This is really, truly just a guy who's trying to do the right thing. And so never gone out for the money or the glory or the fame. This is really, truly just a guy who's trying to do the right thing. And so, you know, for Marjorie Taylor Greene to say the

things he's saying and Donald Trump to call him a crackhead, it's just, you know, absolutely baseless and outrageous. He's truly a public servant in the best way, in the best tradition. So those are my final parting words on Jack Smith and this indictment. I was just looking up at a television because it looks like the press conference is going to happen soon. Someone appeared at the podium. There he is. Let's turn on the volume as well. See if we can hear Salty what's going on. There. Okay, I can confirm that in the feed.

There is sound. It's just right now, it's a two-minute warning. So what I suggest we do is let's keep it here. There's a two-minute warning. I want to bring you the moment Special Counsel Jack Smith does come on screen. We will be reading through the indictment, so here is lot of attention. Salty, I want you to turn on the sound as soon as C-SPAN has its sound on as well from this press conference. There is a line in this indictment as we comb through it where Trump told Pence on January 1st, quote, you're too honest. And again, make sure you go to MidasTouch.com. You can follow along with what's going on here with the complaint, the indictment. Rather, we have it posted on our new website president had opposed a lawsuit seeking a judicial decision that at the certification the vice president had the authority to reject or return votes to the state under the constitution. The vice president responded

that he thought there was no constitutional basis for such authority and that it was improper. In response, the defendant told the vice president, quote, Let's play it. Good evening. Today, an indictment was unsealed, charging Donald J. Trump with conspiring to defraud the United States, conspiring to disenfranchise voters, and conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding. The indictment was issued by a grand jury of citizens here in the District of Columbia, and it sets forth the crimes charged in detail. I encourage everyone to read it in full. The attack on our nation's capital on January 6th, 2021, was an unprecedented assault on the seat of American democracy.

As described in the indictment, it was fueled by lies. Lies by the defendant targeted at obstructing a bedrock function of the U.S. government, the nation's process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election. The men and women of law enforcement who defended the U.S. Capitol on January 6th are heroes. They are patriots and they are the very best of us. They did not just defend a building or the people sheltering in it. They put their lives on the line to defend who we are as a country and as a people. They defended the very institutions and principles that define the United States.

Since the attack on our Capitol, the Department of Justice has remained committed to ensuring accountability for those criminally responsible for what happened that day. This case is brought consistent with that commitment, and our investigation of other individuals continues. In this case, my office will seek a speedy trial so that our evidence can be tested in court and judged by a jury of citizens. In the meantime, I must emphasize that the indictment is only an allegation and that the defendant must be presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. I would like to thank the members of the Federal Bureau of Investigation who are working on this investigation with my office, as well as the many career prosecutors and law enforcement agents from around the country who have worked on previous January 6th investigations. These women and men are public servants of the very highest order, and it is a

privilege to work alongside them. Thank you. Folks, that's Special Counsel Jack Smith holding a press conference, a historic day indeed, and Special Counsel Jack Smith informed everybody that they should go and read the indictment for themselves. And you can read the full indictment at MidasTouch.com. We just launched the new MidasTouch.com website. We've posted the indictment as we talk about it here over the next few hours and we break it down. You could read along for yourself. The MidasTouch.com new website is going to be the number one source of pro-democracy news. I want to get everybody's reaction from Karen Friedman Agnifilo to Michael Cohen to Michael Popak, who's been waiting anxiously, the whole crew here.

Karen Friedman Agnifilo, I know you've got to go soon, so I want to throw it to you first before you leave. Cohen and Popak are patiently waiting here as well, but I've got to get your reaction, Karen Friedman-Ignifilo. Yeah, I mean, look, he had to make a statement, right, Jack Smith, because Donald Trump is now going to start his misinformation campaign the way he does, and he's going to try to spin it how he spins it. And so Jack Smith wanted to tell us all what this is and what this isn't.

Right. And he basically, I think, summarized it perfectly. I got the chills when he said, you know, the thing about the men and women, the heroes who are not just defending the building and the people, but our institutions and our democracy and just our very being as a country. Because that is true. That is what this what this indictment is about. It's not about the four charges or the technical elements of the crime. The reason this is this is so serious. You know, Donald Trump tries to make false equivalency with with, you know, whether it's Hillary Clinton in her emails or Pence and Biden.

They had classified documents to or Hunter Biden or Joe Biden. You know, he tries to make these false equivalencies like, you know, they're just this is a witch hunt and people are just coming after me. There is no equivalency between even if those individuals technically committed, which they did not, crimes, although whatever, you know, that's just not equivalent to trying to literally rip up our Constitution and take away our democracy and who we are as a country, because that's what Donald Trump did. Right. That's what he was trying to do here. And so I think just reminding everybody that that's really what this is about and that the law enforcement who defended the Capitol that day, that's what they were defending as much as they were defending the individuals there or the building. They were really trying to defend our country as a democracy and what our beliefs are. So I thought that was beautifully said and I'm just so proud that this indictment has been brought.

And, you know, Jack Smith asked for a speedy trial to try to get this to, I mean, like he wants a trial before the election, and this is the one he's going to push. And hopefully Judge Chutkin, who seems to be an excellent judge, will do that. So hopefully we'll get a trial before the election. This is just a great day. Ben, I think you're muted. Ben, you're on mute. So anyway, one of the things, like Karen, like you said, I agree. I mean, it was short. It was concise. It was brilliantly said. But the part that, like you, that really touched me, I've had on my podcast, all the Brigaders that also follow me, my DisTouch network, as well with the Mayor Culpa podcast. We're actually number 37 in the top shows, and we've always remained a top, you know,

podcast. I've had Harry Dunn on one of the segments, and I can only say that he really takes your breath away when they speak about the trauma that they experienced in protecting the people's house and protecting American democracy. So kudos to Jack Smith for acknowledging that. The one thing that we have to remember, yes, there is an indictment out. And one of the things Jack Smith also said is that there is a presumption of innocence right now. Now, I know that so many of us are sitting there and saying, innocence, my ass. All right. At the end of the day, we all know what Donald was up to.

We all know what he was trying to accomplish, right? The destruction of our democracy for an autocracy where he is the king, the supreme leader, the monarch, the ruler, the fuhrer. But you actually need a jury to come back with that determination. And rest assured, you know, if Jack Smith handles this case the way he just handled that press conference, the way he's handled this indictment from inception to indictment, rest assured, I think that we're going to get the response that's going to hold Donald Trump accountable for his improper behavior. Michael Popak, I want to get your reaction now. I want to tell everybody, too, we are now number

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Oh, and make sure you subscribe to our YouTube channel. This is the fastest growing media channel right now in the world, period. And it's great that it's pro-democracy content. So if you're not subscribed, make sure you are subscribed. Michael Popak, you've been waiting more patiently than I've ever seen you wait before. What are your thoughts? When you were mute, I should have jumped in. Look, we're unpacking a 45-page indictment, but some of the things that I was able to do while we were here, kind of talking about it, listening to Jack Smith intently, and I want to put a little meat on the bones of what we're talking about.

And we'll do it more on the different podcasts on the Midas Touch Network. Karen and I will do it tomorrow during the midweek edition of Legal AF. You and I will do it on Saturday during the Saturday edition of Legal AF. And then we'll jump in with hot takes here and there to unpack different parts of this real estate that is the indictment. But it is beautiful in its simplicity. There are, as we expected from a week or two ago, four counts. There could have been a hundred counts. There could have been a thousand counts. So it's not an accident. It is by prosecutorial expertise by Jack Smith that there are four counts. And then he was able to fit, you know, a hundred pounds of potatoes into a five pound sack

so eloquently, elegantly. Count one, conspiracy to defraud the United States. Count two, another conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. We know what that is. That's the Jan 6 certification. Count three, obstruction of and an attempt to obstruct an official proceeding. And then the third conspiracy listed here, conspiracy against rights. That's the section 241. I did a hot take on it, came out of the civil rights. It's an era that came out of the reconstruction era of our nation when the Ku Klux Klan was stopping freed black slaves, now freed citizens from voting. It has to do with vote fraud, like the fake electors. And then you've got not six indicted conspirators, but six currently unindicted co-conspirators. Because as we said in prior podcasts, Ben, this is where Jack Smith now has another meeting tomorrow with Rudy Giuliani's lawyers, Sidney Powell's lawyers, John Eastman's lawyers, Ken Cheeseboro's lawyers, Peter Navarro's lawyers, and say, we had another draft of this

that had your name in it. Currently, you're an unindicted co-conspirator. You want to keep rolling the dice and playing Russian roulette, or do you want to flip? It's up to you. We don't care. But the next superseding indictment, and you saw what we did last week in Mar-a-Lago, is going to have your name written on it above the caption, above the line in the caption, because you're going to be a defendant. And this is how Jack Smith is going to squeeze, just as he did in Mar-a-Lago, got a few insiders to flip on Donald Trump to come up with that superseding indictment. Let's talk about Tanya Chutkin for a minute. I don't know if you remember this, Ben, but when the Jan 6th sentencings first started happening, the first several were in front of Tanya Chutkin. And we liked her approach so much that you and I called her, at least I did,

hang him high, Chutkin. And if this is now the person, because she gave out such, you know, Department of Justice asked for X, she gave like X plus 10, 10 years, you know, so she threw the book literally at the Jan 6 defendants. And so if you could think of one person that Donald Trump would not want to see the wheel, the random wheel spin and land on for a judge, it would be Obama appointee, Jamaican American, Tanya Chutkin, who already denied his attempt to stop his tax returns from being turned over to the House Select Committee, which was affirmed by the Supreme Court ultimately, so they like her. And she knows everything she needs to know about the Jan 6th. Now, lastly, we're not going to be able on this, of course, on this live show to read every paragraph of this indictment, but there's

128 of them. But let me just give, it's been two minutes to give the headers, because the headers alone, like chapters in a book, tell the story. I'm just going to read five or six headers. The defendant, every time I say defendant, that's Donald Trump. Trump's use of deceit to get officials to subvert the illegitimate election results and change electoral votes. We know what that is. Next. And then he goes on, in every state, all the battleground states, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and the like, to talk about what happened there. Next header, the defendant's use of dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to organize fraudulent slates of electors and cause them to transmit false certificates to Congress. And then he goes in detail, paragraph after paragraph, including all the co-conspirators and their role.

The defendants attempt to leverage the Justice Department to use deceit to get state officials to replace legitimate electors and electoral votes with the defendants. That's Jeffrey Clark and the weaponization of the Department of Justice in the waning days of his administration. The defendants attempts to enlist the vice president to fraudulently alter the election results of the Jan 6th certification proceeding. That's the pressure campaign on Mike Pence, concocted by Eastman and Trump, and then others tried to do it. And then finally, in the last major header, the defendant's exploitation of the violence and chaos at the Capitol. When all else fails, let's roll out a good old-fashioned insurrection to attack the seat of our democracy.

That's the indictment in seven chapters or less that we'll be unpacking over the next week or two. And when you mention Tanya Chutkin, you're referring to federal judge Tanya Chutkin, who has been assigned to this case, the exact opposite of Judge Eileen Cannon. Michael Cohen, as you're learning more about the indictment. Yeah, but before we jump into that, Mike, you know, one of the things that we also have to remember is I don't want to see the judge acting in any way, which she will not. She's not Eileen Cannon acting in a way where Trump can now turn around and make allegations that this is partisan. That takes away from the seriousness of the document that you just so eloquently read from. My goal, my hope is that whatever it is that he did, rest assured, Jack Smith will be able to no different than the Alvin Bragg case. And being as close to it as I am, they will be using testimony from others. They will be using

documentary evidence within which to put on the case and to prove the truth of the allegations that are raised. Plain and simple. She's just a no-nonsense judge. She's not going to put up with the bullshit that Eileen Cannon is. Oh, yeah, yeah, let's kick it off for another three, four months or entertain the frivolous motions that he has his lawyers do. She's not going to accept that any more than the judge in the case against me, the civil case that Trump brought down in the Southern District of Miami. He's not going to accept it either. So fortunately, the wheel spun correctly, not correctly for Donald, but correctly for democracy. Totally. Law and order judge all the way. Let's take a look at some of the paragraphs

that we're learning about. And Popak, you highlighted these. You could read along, by the way, everybody watching this by going to MidasTouch.com. That is the new website launched by the Midas Touch Network. There's thousands of people who are there live right now following along as we read this, but this is a, I think, very, very powerful paragraph from the indictment. And it talks about how on January 1st, the defendant, Trump, called the vice president and berated him because he had learned that vice president Pence had opposed a lawsuit seeking a judicial decision that at the certification the Vice President had the authority to reject or return votes to the states under the Constitution. The Vice President responded that he thought there was no constitutional basis for such authority

and that it was improper. In response, the defendant Donald Trump told former Vice President Pence, quote, you're too honest. Within hours of the conversation, the defendant Trump reminded his supporters to meet in Washington before the certification proceeding, tweeting, the big protest rally in Washington, D.C. will take place at 11 a.m. on January 6th. Locational details to follow stop the Steele Cohen. What that goes to, in my view, is intent right here that Donald Trump knew Donald Trump was telling Pence, you are being too honest. And you know where that testimony almost certainly came from? Pence. Pence spoke before the grand jury. And that's something that Pence and others in the room would have confirmed to the grand jury that just returned this indictment. So that is going to be, and Pence is going to be,

a fact witness in this case. He already is a fact witness. But think about it, the historic nature of this indictment, but within the indictment, you've got a former vice president providing key testimony against Donald Trump. Your thoughts, Michael Cohen? Well, it could also be Mark Meadows. It could also be, you know, Ivanka or Jared. It could be anyone that was in the room at the time that he was engaging in the conversation. Rest assured, again, this is how much confidence that I have in Jack Smith.

And based upon the indictment, you can see why we all should have a lot of faith and a lot of confidence in him. is a plethora of individuals that will be paraded to the stand in order to give testimony regarding Donald Trump's intent. Now, I want to be very clear again, something Jack Smith said, which is he's innocent until proven guilty. That is a tenant of our law. Unless, of course, you're Michael Cohen, right? And you have a Donald Trump administration with a Bill Barr as your attorney general, right? That's a whole nother story. But here, Donald is presumed innocent. What we're going to see is a multitude of people paraded out to testify exactly Donald Trump's intent. But like I said earlier, one of the things that Donald is going to do, and he does it all the time, he's going to look to find who the scapegoat could be.

He's going to try to argue, or at least his counsel will, that he relied upon legal advice, and therefore he did not have the intent to commit a crime or to break the law. Now we get to, obviously, Jack Smith, and we get to additional testimony, additional documents that will ultimately refute it, or the goal, of course, would be to refute it. And this is the way I see this case ultimately panning out. Michael Popak, your thoughts as we learn more, a statement also being issued by Donald Trump, the Trump campaign. Is this the PAC that paid the 40 million dollars to cover the legal defense? I mean, who's even issuing this statement? They're all financially and morally bankrupt, including mentioning, and I take personal offense to the mentioning of Nazi Germany in the 1930s, because Donald Trump got indicted for bad misconduct, criminal misconduct that he

did before he was in office, while he ran for office, while he was in office and after he left office. I mean, the fact that he blames everyone but himself and wants a personal exception and a pass because he's also a candidate for office, which of course is a maniacal attempt by him to avoid responsibility and to ultimately try to win this thing to pardon himself for the federal counts. I mean, but to blame Joe Biden. And Popak, before getting your reaction, let me just read it to the brigaders who hasn't seen the statement first. And I know you've read it. This is what it says.

This is nothing more than the latest corrupt chapter in the continued pathetic attempt by the Biden crime family and their weaponized Department of Justice to interfere with the 2024 presidential election in which President Trump is the undisputed front runner and leading by substantial margins. But why did they wait two and a half years to bring these fake charges right in the middle of President Trump's winning campaign for 2024? Why was it announced the day after the big crooked Joe Biden scandal broke out from the halls of Congress? It's even hard to read this, Popak, because it's so deranged. The answer is election interference. The lawlessness of these persecutions of President

Trump and his supporters is reminiscent of Nazi Germany in the 1930s, the former Soviet Union and other authoritarian dictatorial regimes. President Trump has always followed the law and the constitution with advice from many highly accomplished attorneys. These un-American witch hunts will fail and President Trump will be re-elected to the White House so he can save our country from the abuse and competence and corruption that is running through the veins of our country at levels never seen before. Three years ago, we had strong borders, energy independence, no inflation, and a great economy. Today, we are a nation in decline. President Trump will not be deterred by disgraceful and unprecedented political targeting. It's all projection and confession and calling himself president. I was just reading the statement. I want you to break it down, Popak, though, now, because this is a horrific, disgusting statement by a traitor and a criminal

in Donald Trump. And for those tuning into the Midas Touch Network, that's what we call him, a traitor and a criminal. We don't sugarcoat it here. He is a fascist criminal traitor, Michael Popak. Yeah, we don't blow smoke or sunshine on the network or in any of our individual podcasts or when we're lucky enough to get together on a momentous and historic day like this one when a former president is now indicted for the third time for only one reason, because he committed criminal acts as alleged, presumed innocent, but he has no one to blame for himself, but himself. And he already started this earlier today and in the weeks preceding this mantra of why didn't they indict me two and a half years ago?

Well, I don't think you understand how criminal investigations work. You mean, why didn't, why didn't Jack Smith indict you before he was even appointed nine months ago? Why didn't Merrick Garland? I mean, when? On Jan 7 of 2020? That's when you were supposed to be indicted? It takes a minute to develop a criminal case and to have every one of your lawyers, I'm talking to Donald Trump now, have every one of your lawyers turn on you either voluntarily or have your attorney-client privilege stripped away because at least three

federal judges have said that it's more likely than not that you committed a crime or fraud related to various aspects of how you interacted with the justice system. And so it takes a minute to get your former vice president to testify against you and have his immunity stripped away. It takes a minute to have all of your lawyers and co-conspirators' cell phones and text messages and WhatsApp messages picked up and reviewed and analyzed. It takes a minute to go to each of the seven battleground states and to get all the fake electors to either cooperate with you or to obtain their cell phone records and their emails and interviews and state legislators. I mean, all of this takes an incredible amount of time in order not just to get an indictment.

That is not Jack Smith's goal. Jack Smith's goal is not to walk out with an indictment. If that were his goal, he could have gotten this indictment or something close to it several months ago. His goal is to win a conviction of Donald Trump because he's going to back up the equivalent of two tractor trailers worth of documents, you know, 100 terabytes of information. And he's going to dump it on Donald Trump and his defendants because he's ready for trial because that's what he was waiting for, just as we're waiting for Fannie Willis to do the same thing in about two or three weeks. And for Donald Trump to say that there is a mass,

doesn't this sound familiar? There is a mass conspiracy against him, led by Joe Biden, that stitches together, get this list from an earlier social media posting by Donald Trump. Letitia James, Fannie Willis, Jack Smith, and Alvin Bragg

are all working together in a conspiracy. Okay, I guess it's like this is the black helicopter thing, you know, that he plays into the conspiracy theory of America that led to the big lie that led to the entire thing. And they're all working against them without any proof or evidence. Donald, take some time. Take a minute. We're practicing lawyers and podcasters, and we haven't even gotten through the indictment yet. I can't imagine that you, with your kind of learning disabilities, has gotten through the indictment yet. Take a minute. Let your lawyers, you got a couple of them, let Todd Blanch and let John Lauro

read it and let them come back and tell you how big of a mess that you're in, because it's not just words on a piece of paper. Every fact that is alleged in this indictment, every one of them, is backed by a number of either cooperating witnesses or ones that information was pulled out of them in a root canal in front of a grand jury, or backed by a document, or a text, or all of that, for every fact in there. This isn't like a reporter who needs two corroborating sources to say, you know, you wore a blue tie one day. This is a fact-based intensive that is, and every fact in here he's got a a truckload of information and and either insiders outsiders or otherwise cooperating with him to establish it and so all

this stuff this this campaign that got launched this morning by donald trump and all of his henchmen and all the talking points that we're seeing now, all in coordinated effort. Blame the attorneys. Let's blame Giuliani, Powell, and Eastman. They're the bad guy. They misled Donald Trump. Donald Trump wasn't the center of the conspiracy. They were. Okay, that's already started. And you're going to see, I mean, Midas Touch, I'm sure, will generate the talking points, the palm cards that each of these people that are representatives, proxies for Donald Trump, are going to be using. And we can then line them up in video after video, and they will be almost identical. And the other thing that will be true is none of this, and I'm going to say

this as a 32-year practicing lawyer, trial lawyer in courtrooms like the ones that we're talking about, none of this is going to work in front of a judge in a black robe when the wooden door shuts and the lawyers get into that well of that courtroom. None of these defenses are going to work ultimately if this is his best set of defenses. And you can see the fire hose of evidence that is coming out at Donald Trump. This is the tip of the iceberg. This isn't everything that Jack Smith has. This is all that he's cared to share at this moment in the indictment. The trial is going to be multiples of this in terms of evidence and information. And lastly, woe be these co-conspirators who don't find God and don't come forward and tell the truth to Jack Smith because their name

is going to be on the next indictment. And I'm talking to you, Rudy Giuliani. I'm talking to you, John Eastman. And I'm certainly talking to you, Sidney Powell. Moments ago, special counsel Jack Smith gave a press conference making the historic announcement that Donald Trump has been indicted again in connection with Trump's attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. For those just tuning in, we're going to show you the press conference that just took place that special counsel Jack Smith made this historic announcement. And I wanted to point out as well that the judge assigned to this case is federal judge Tanya Chutkin, who is an Obama appointee. That is the judge who has been assigned to this matter. If you want to follow

along with the indictment, go to the new Midas Touch website. That's MidasTouch.com, soon to be the number one pro-democracy website in the world. what we built on YouTube, we're now building on the web, and it's just going to be complementing our YouTube with the actual documents that you could read along while we're doing these broadcasts. Let's play special counsel Jack Smith's press conference, and then let's hear from none other than Michael Cohen. Let's play this press conference. Good evening. Today, an indictment was unsealed, charging Donald J. Trump with conspiring to defraud the United States, conspiring to disenfranchise voters, and conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding. The indictment was issued by a grand jury of citizens here in the District of Columbia, and it sets forth the crimes charged in detail.

I encourage everyone to read it in full. The attack on our nation's capital on January 6th, 2021, was an unprecedented assault on the seat of American democracy. It's described in the indictment. It was fueled by lies, lies by the defendant targeted at obstructing a bedrock function of the U.S. government, the nation's process of collecting, counting and certifying the results of the presidential election. The men and women of law enforcement who defended the U.S. Capitol on January 6th are heroes. They are patriots and they are the very best of us.

They did not just defend a building or the people sheltering in it. They put their lives on the line to defend who we are as a country and as a people. They defended the very institutions and principles that define the United States. Since the attack on our Capitol, the Department of Justice has remained committed to ensuring accountability for those criminally responsible for what happened that day. This case is brought consistent with that commitment, and our investigation of other individuals continues. In this case, my office will seek a speedy trial so that our evidence can be tested in

court and judged by a jury of citizens. In the meantime, I must emphasize that the indictment is only an allegation and that the defendant must be presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. Michael Cohen, not just the host of Political Beatdown, but also the host of the Maya Culpa podcast here on the Midas Touch Network. Also the author of Revenge, wherever books are sold, get your copy of Revenge, which really breaks down how Donald Trump weaponized the Justice Department against you and others. What is your reaction, though, when you see law and order actually in action right here. You know, I'd like to, at this time, sort

of parrot Michael Fanone, who is a hero and should be considered a hero in everyone's heart. He, Harry Dunn, and all of the Capitol Police officers, not just the ones that have received notoriety, but all of them that defended the Capitol, that defended democracy. And it's something that I talk about in Revenge. It's something obviously that Ben, you with the various different podcasts and Mike on his and me on Mayor Culpa, we try to bring out because, unfortunately, the other networks that are out there, they don't invest enough time in terms of getting to the nitty gritty. And that's sort of what revenge does. It breaks down into how Donald Trump weaponized the United States Department of Justice. And instead of being a president for all, it was really to be a president for himself.

What can he obtain from the presidency? Well, we all know Jared got a couple billion dollars from the Saudis. Ivanka and Jared made over $600 million during that time. He ended up doing some business with the Saudis after he left office. Ivanka also got a couple dozen Chinese patents or trademarks on her various different companies. I mean, this is all one big gigantic grift. And you know what? As Michael Fanone said, I'd like to think that we played some small part in what's happening today. And I can tell you emphatically that he did, and you did, Ben, and Popek, you did, and I believe that I did as well. And I believe that all of those that follow us on our various different podcasts or read the books or follow

us here on Political Beatdown, thanks to all of us. Thanks to you. This is exactly what Donald is getting because enough of us have spoken up and enough of us have kept this thing alive. Because rest assured, one of the things that Donald wants to do is to put this thing to bed once and for all. And that will also be, since of course he lost out in the earlier stage, he'll try to do it by winning back the White House and, think about it, pardoning himself from the federal crimes. Now, of course, I hear a lot of pundits talk about, well, yeah, but there's still Alvin Bragg's case. That's a state case. When Fannie Willis brings the Fulton County, Georgia case, that will be also a state case. And he cannot pardon himself from a state case. Yeah, sure. Just imagine the marshals showing up to the White House or anywhere in order to take the president who is being

protected by the Secret Service. You're going to end up in a massive battle between various different governmental agencies like this country has never, forget about experience before, has never contemplated before. This will create a constitutional crisis that none of us have ever anticipated and truthfully have no idea how it will ultimately resolve itself. Appreciate that commentary, Michael Cohen. Everybody can follow along with this indictment by going to MidasTouch.com. That's the new Midas Touch website. Everybody make sure you're subscribed as well to our YouTube channel. This is currently number one most watched YouTube channel in the world across all genres, thanks to this

unapologetically pro-democracy content right here, and our great commentators like Michael Cohen, Michael Popak, Karen Friedman, Agnifola. Let's just go through two portions. And you too, Ben. Ben, don't forget about yourself, my co-host in this political beatdown, all right? Though you certainly have all the documents in front of you, and I'm loving the fact that you're taking the lead on it. But let's not forget about Ben, and let's make sure that you smack that Ben Micellus emoji.

I don't know. A lot of people complain there's no Michael Cohen emoji. You and I are going to have a conversation after this. But let's all smack the Ben Micellus emoji because Ben, you did a great job in analyzing and breaking down and bringing us all together today on Political Beatdown so that we can give you the raw and the unfiltered facts, something that you don't get anywhere else. And it's exactly why right now we are number one. And you know what? We're going to continue to be number one with your else. And it's exactly why right now we are number one. And you know what? We're going to continue to be number one with your help. And I am so excited and anxious to come up with a date with Ben where we're going to have this rally, where we're all going to get together and make

sure that our voices are heard, not just in D.C., but the press will be out there. And rest assured, our voices will be heard not just here in this country, but around the world. So for that, I again, I am eternally grateful for everybody that follows me on social media, for all of you who have donated to the GoFundMe so that we can hold Donald accountable for that as well, purchasing revenge and following me on Mayaculpa podcast, and most importantly, joining Ben and I in political beatdown as the brigade as we continue this journey of truth, raw, unfiltered truth. So thank you from the bottom of our hearts.

Salty, a few points I want to make before we, our, let's pull up this indictment that you can find at MidasTouch.com. Let's show the section where it deals with the co-conspirators. I'll hit 81 in just a moment. But if you go up in the complaint, you'll see where it talks about the six co-conspirators. We believe co-conspirator one, there you have it right there, to be Rudy Giuliani, co-conspirator two, to be John Eastman, both Trump lawyers. We believe co-conspirator three, and again, this is just based on the data that we're analyzing right now, to be Sidney Powell. We believe co-conspirator four to be Jeff Clark, who tried to become the acting United States attorney. We believe five and six to be Ken

Chesbrough and perhaps Peter Navarro. But we are trying to confirm that as we speak, which brings me to paragraph 81. So when they're talking about co-conspirator four, that's Jeff Clark unindicted at this point, where it says on the afternoon of January three, co-conspirator four spoke with a deputy White House counsel. The previous month, the deputy White House counsel had informed defendant Trump that quote, there is no world, there is no option in which you do not leave the White House on January 20th. Now, the same Deputy White House counsel tried to dissuade co-conspirator four, Jeff Clark, from assuming the role of acting attorney general. The Deputy White House counsel reiterated to co-conspirator four that there had

not been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that if the defendant remained in office, nonetheless, there would be, quote, riots in every major city in the United States. Co-conspirator four responded, quote, well, deputy White House counsel, that's why there's an insurrection act. I want you to think about that. Here's another paragraph. I don't have the paragraph number yet, but this is the one that Donald Trump told former Vice President Pence, you are too honest, where it says, on January 1, defendant Trump called the Vice President and berated him because he had learned that the Vice President had opposed a lawsuit seeking a judicial decision that at the certification, the Vice President had the authority to reject or return votes to the states under the constitution

vice president pence responded that he thought there was no constitutional basis for such authority and that it was improper in response defendant trump told the vice president quote you're too honest within hours of the conversation the defendant trump reminded his supporters to meet in washington before the certification proceeded proceeding tweeting quote the big protest rally in Washington DC will take place at 11 a.m. on January 6th. Locational details to follow. Stop this deal. Just wanted to go show you how detailed this indictment is. Go to MidasTouch.com now. Read the full indictment though. Read the full indictment. That's what special counsel Jack Smith also implored people to do. So you can see the level of detail here as well. beatdown. And in the second hour, we covered the breaking news that Donald Trump has been indicted again in connection with trying to overthrow the 2020 election. We played the press conference,

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