The MeidasTouch Podcast - Jack Smith Makes FINAL DECISION on Trump Dismissal

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas and Legal AF host Karen Friedman Agnifilo report on the breaking news on Special Counsel Jack Smith's motion to dismiss the federal case against Donald Trump. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to fatty15.com/MEIDAS and using code MEIDAS at checkout. Visit https://meidastouch.com for more! Join the MeidasTouch Patreon: https://Patreon.com/meidastouch Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown Lights On with Jessica Denson: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/lights-on-with-jessica-denson On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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announcing that the Department of Justice will be dismissing the criminal case against Donald Trump in federal court. I'd like to read for you all the government's motion to dismiss, and then I want to hear from Karen Friedman Agnifilo, who was previously the number two at the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. This is from the government's motion to dismiss the federal criminal charges against Donald Trump connected with the January 6th insurrection. This case was in Washington, D.C. As a result of the election held on November 5th, 2024, the defendant Donald J. Trump will be inaugurated as president on January 5th, 2024, the defendant Donald J. Trump will be inaugurated as president on January 20th, 2025. It has long been the position of the Department of Justice

that the United States Constitution forbids the federal indictment and subsequent criminal prosecution of a sitting president. But the department and the country have never faced the circumstances here where a federal indictment against a private citizen has been returned by and a criminal prosecution is already underway when the defendant is elected president. Confronted with this unprecedented situation, the specials consulted with the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel, OLC, whose interpretation of the constitutional questions, such as those raised here, is binding on department prosecutors. After careful consideration, the department has determined that OLC's prior opinion concerning the Constitution's

prohibition on federal indictment and prosecution of a sitting president apply to this situation, and that as a result, this prosecution must be dismissed before the defendant is inaugurated. That prohibition is categorical and does not turn on the gravity of the crimes charged, the strength of the government's proof, or the merits of the prosecution, which the government stands fully behind. Based on the department's interpretation of the Constitution, the government moves for dismissal without prejudice of the superseding indictment under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 48A. The government has conferred with defense counsel who does not object to this motion.

Karen Freeman, I niflo your immediate response. Look, you know, we knew this day was coming. It's such a shame that it has to come. And at a minimum, though, it's I guess if you're looking for any silver lining, they said it's without prejudice, which means that they theoretically could bring the case in the future when Donald Trump is no longer president. However, in reality, that'll never happen because he's surely or likely going to pardon himself. The only thing that I thought was slightly odd was that very last sentence that you read where it said the government has conferred with defense counsel, who does not object to this motion? And the fact that they wouldn't object that it's dismissal without prejudice, that's a term of art, Ben, that they use in the legal world, that you dismiss something either with prejudice or without prejudice. If it's dismissed with prejudice, because only a court can dismiss a case. So this is a motion.

You're moving the court. You're asking the court to dismiss the case. And so really this is a joint motion because the defendant doesn't object. And it's a joint motion to dismiss without prejudice, meaning you could bring it again in the future because if it's a dismissal with prejudice, that's considered double jeopardy. You can no longer bring that in the future. And so for a moment you'd say, well, why would the defense agree to that? Why would the defense counsel agree to that? You'd think they'd want a dismissal with prejudice. And the answer is, of course, he's going to pardon himself or somehow orchestrate something so that that happens.

And so that's what's going on here. This case is essentially dead. We knew that would have to happen once Trump is elected. What this means is Jack Smith has already finished wrapping up the case, wrapping up the boxes, categorizing things, filing things. It means he's written his motion to the, or his report that by statute as special counsel, he has to send over to Merrick Garland. All that's been done. So he's ready today to move the court to dismiss it without prejudice. Sure, the court is going to do it. And that's where we are. This is with the Washington DC case, the Jan 6 case. And of course, then there's the Mar-a-Lago documents case that was already dismissed, but it's on appeal. And the question is, will they withdraw the appeal? The reason that one's slightly different is there's two other defendants in that case, right? Waltine

Nauda and Carlos de Oliveira. So it's unclear what they'll do there, if they'll move to dismiss the whole case or withdraw the appeal, I should say, with the whole case or just to Donald Trump. One other thing I just wanted to say is for people wondering what's the Office of Legal Counsel or OLC, it's sort of the definitive law office of the White House. And it provides advisory opinions on what things mean and what things don't mean. They advise the president and it's kind of the law firm of the presidency. And so since this is with respect to a sitting president or a future sitting president or an elected president, it's something they had to confer with the Office of Legal Counsel and that would be binding on the Department of Justice since it's all part of the executive branch. Can we geek out for a minute on something? I

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Karen, when you read this motion to dismiss filed by special counsel jack smith you see how reluctant he was like you literally see the tension in his writing as he says the things like you know the gravity of the crime charge the strength of the government's proof the merits of the prosecution that this should not be construed as in any way conceding that this wasn't anything but one of the strongest possible cases that existed. But we are bound now by this precedent within the department and the constitution that when somebody is elected to the highest office in the land, that the case gets dismissed. I mean, you literally see it jumping off the paper. Yeah, I agree with you. This is a torture thing. Look, Jack Smith is somebody who I used to work with many years ago. We both worked at the Manhattan DA's office together. He's

always been a prosecutor. He's never been in the private sector. He was a federal prosecutor, then a war crimes prosecutor, now a special prosecutor. This is something that's clearly very difficult for him to do, to dismiss a case against somebody who he spent the last almost two years compiling an investigation and prosecution into a former sitting president. He brought this four-count indictment. Then they had to supersede the indictment. They've been litigating it up and down and sideways. He's had to endure death threats. And frankly, he had to deal with the United States versus Trump case, making the president immune for certain things. I mean, a lot's been going on in this case. And Jack Smith, who's just a

prosecutor's prosecutor, he's not someone with an agenda. Despite having worked with him and knowing him, I couldn't tell you what political party he belongs to. He's not someone with an agenda. Despite having worked with him and knowing him, I couldn't tell you what political party he belongs to. He's not a political guy. He's really someone who's a public servant and wants to do the right thing. And you can tell, as you pointed out, Ben, this is torture for him to have to do when you have a serious case and you have to dismiss it. You have no choice. But he's that's that's Jack Smith. Right. He's not going to wait. He's not going to just fight it. He's choice, but that's Jack Smith, right?

He's not gonna wait, he's not gonna just fight it. He's the guy who's gonna do the right thing. And when he is told this is what you have to do, he's going to do it. That's how he is. So he's not someone who's going to claim that this is false or rigged or didn't happen or fight it and then lose in the courts.

He's not that guy. He's a guy, he's a man of integrity and he's a public servant and we should all thank him for his service in doing this. You know, I want to remind everybody as well that special counsel Jack Smith did everything that he could possibly do, right? I mean, he was called, if you want to blame anyone on the delay of bringing the prosecution, it's definitely not Special Counsel Jack Smith. Special Counsel Jack Smith was brought in. He accepted the assignment when it was given to him. He did everything that he could to expedite these proceedings.

He did everything he could, went to the Supreme Court, you all remember back in December of 2023, saying, look, this is so critical that you hear these issues on absolute immunity now. The Supreme Court said no. Then the Supreme Court delayed until the last possible time. And look, the Supreme Court created an entirely new legal doctrine for Donald Trump that never existed in legal textbooks before called absolute immunity. And not only did they make that ruling, but you got to go back to how the Supreme Court really structured, it's a nice way of putting it, their calendar to make sure that all possible delays could be afforded to Donald Trump. And I understand that there's a lot of people, though, who will and have expressed frustration

at Merrick Garland. And I think we'll do that in another video, perhaps. But in terms of Jack Smith's role, Jack Smith was called to duty. He came over here from being a war crimes prosecutor, did his job, was aggressive, did everything that was asked of him. And it's not the type of different tier justice system that Trump and MAGA rails on when they're the beneficiaries of that over and over again. Karen, last words from you. Yeah, look, I'm still wondering what this means for the Manhattan DA case and how they're going to interpret this, because one of the things this talks about is this isn't just the indictment, but it's also the prosecution. And the supremacy clause also

will make whatever decision the OLC says apply to the states, meaning the Manhattan DA's office. I think because the prosecution's over and it's just time for sentencing, hopefully that will be a different analysis, but that was my first question is what does this mean for the Manhattan DA's office? So I'm sure we'll find out in the coming weeks. Everybody, please hit subscribe. Let's try to get to 4 million subscribers here. Getting accurate, sober legal assessments is going to be so critical over the next four years in particular. And whether the news is good, bad, or ugly, we're going to report it

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