The MeidasTouch Podcast - The GOP Can't Stop Criming (with guest Allison Gill)

Episode Date: February 4, 2022

On today's episode of The MeidasTouch Podcast we have an incredible guest, executive producer and host of two of our favorite podcasts, "Mueller, She Wrote" and "The Daily Beans," Allison Gill! Gill is a veteran, a Ph.D., former federal government executive, comedian, an author, and a staunch advocate for the democratic resistance. This interview digs in deep to Gill’s wild story about how she got started, as well as what she thinks will come of the Jan 6. Committee’s investigation. The remainder of the episode, the brothers dive into the latest breaking news of the week. First, we discuss President Biden’s raid, which resulted in the death of the ISIS leader in Syria and how important it is to have steady leadership. Next, we jump into WTF is happening to Texas’ power grid (again!), Abbott’s failed leadership & DeathSantis STILL refusing to condemn the Nazis in his state. Finally, we conclude with updates into the Jan 6. investigation, Mike Pence & Trump speaking at the same event this Friday, and why in the world anyone thought it was a good idea to cast Rudy Giuliani as a guest on The Masked Singer! If you enjoyed today's episode please be sure to rate, review and subscribe. As always, thank YOU for listening. Follow Allison Gill on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote Subscribe to The Daily Beans podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily-beans/id1473747182 DEALS FROM OUR SPONSORS: TRADE COFFEE: https://drinktrade.com/meidas MAGIC SPOON: https://magicspoon.com/meidas and use code MEIDAS THESIS: https://takethesis.com/meidas Listen to and follow “The Lost Debate” Podcast! Website: https://lostdebate.com/ Youtube: https://bit.ly/3Gs5YTF Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-lost-debate/id1591300785 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lostdebate Twitter: https://twitter.com/thelostdebate Remember to subscribe to ALL the Meidas Media Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://pod.link/1510240831 Legal AF: https://pod.link/1580828595 The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://pod.link/1595408601 The Influence Continuum: https://pod.link/1603773245 Kremlin File: https://pod.link/1575837599 Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://pod.link/1530639447 Zoomed In: https://pod.link/1580828633 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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who was terminated in retaliation for her political stances under the Trump administration, a comedian, an author, and a staunch advocate for the Democratic resistance. And we're going to dig deep into her story about how she got started, what she thinks about the January 6th committee's investigation and more. But let me toss it over to you, Brett. What's so funny? So a couple of things are funny to me today. And some of these things are funny to me every time. But at the beginning of every show, what people don't hear because the music is playing, that's an America song is playing, is Jordy always counts us in. And his countdowns are always just, the voice he makes

when he does the countdowns are always very unique. I would- I get really excited. Yeah. Maybe I'll play an example of, should we listen to one of them? I go back to my theater days. Listen, I think the last episode, you even brought it even more. So I'll play a clip from last episode of Jordy counting us in just to see what we get a taste of before the show starts. Three and two and a three, two, one. Welcome to the Midas Touch podcast. I mean, there you go. I start us off on a good note. Start us off with a bang. You make me smile. So that's number one. Number two is the fact that Ben is in another unidentifiable

location. Where in the world is Ben? Ben, are you in a stairwell today? Are you at a coffee shop? Are you in a bunker? You look like you're in a bunker. Yeah, what's going on? Okay, I'm not in a bunker. Let me tell you, I've been to New York. I've been here on business. So for the Alison Gill interview, I want to apologize to all our listeners and might as mighty. You're just going to have Brett and Jordy do that interview. Someone said that's an upgrade. Our viewership just skyrocketed. Thank you, Brett. So I've been in New York. We had a big announcement yesterday that Spike Lee is going to be directing the Colin Kaepernick multi-part docu-series on ESPN. As everybody knows, I'm Colin's attorney and business partner across

all of his endeavors. And so I flew out on a red eye to be there for the filming. And so we were on set and I'll continue to be on set for the filming. And so that's why I'm not going to be- Let's show, you sent us some really cool photos yesterday from you being on the set. So we'll let our YouTube viewers, well, let's pull up some of those photos that you sent from the set. Are we allowed to show these? No, you're not allowed to show them. Those are just brother photos. Those will come out at a later time, but just like family photos. We just put them up. They actually not be up. We're not doing the photos up yet,

but those are just family photos. But you could put up the photos of Colin sitting courtside with Spike Lee at the Knicks game. I was there for the filming. This is going to be incredible. Not get the invite to the game or what happened there. Yikes. All right. It was Colin and Spike Lee in the front row.

I was exhausted because of the red eye. And so I went to sleep early. Anyway, let's get into the news. You guys just gang up on me when I'm not there. And then because this room is that I'm in right now is like a small office space. My sound reverbs if I don't talk directly into the microphone. And so for those watching me, I'm like literally eating the microphone like it's a ice cream cone. And so for those listening, you will have to just imagine me literally eating the mic, but let's get into the news. We have a lot to discuss. I want to talk about really the leadership under President Biden to start. And Biden doesn't get enough credit on a ton of things. But again, tough on foreign policy. It was announced that Biden and the American military killed the ISIS

leader in Syria. Biden said that the counterterrorism operation in northern Syria took out ISIS leader Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurashi and that all Americans returned safely from that operation. Quote, last night in my direction, U.S. military forces in northwest Syria successfully undertook a counterterrorism operation to protect the American people and our allies and make the world a safer place, Biden said in a statement. Thanks to the skill and bravery of our armed forces, we have taken the battlefield to Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi Khashoggi, the leader of ISIS. I think that's strong. I think the difference in the statements that we see here compared to previous administrations, we didn't see, we killed him like a dog, like a dog.

You don't see those sort of just crazy and self-aggrandizing statements from Biden. I think it shows you that there's so much going on on a daily basis that we're not even cued into. And this has been, I believe, months in the planning. We're still, as we speak, finding out more about this. But basically from the initial reports, and I will note that initial reports are often not fully reflective of the final reports when all the research is done and all the investigations are done. But as Ben said, the leader of ISIS killed, it seems like we surrounded the compound. And as we were getting close with our ground raid after we surrounded the compound,

it seems like the guy blew himself up and killed civilians in the process. And so that sort of seems to be the story that we are getting right now. I feel like we hear this sort of every couple of years, the leader of ISIS is killed, the leader of ISIS is killed. I thought Trump said he did away with ISIS. So, you know, always surprising to see that they still exist. But yeah, you know, it's like a game of musical chairs with these leaders. And that's got to be the most unenviable position on the planet. Who wants to be next? Who wants to be the next leader of ISIS? Step on up. That job has like an expiration date of what, like a year and a half, two years. Yeah. But all these people think they're martyrs when they take the job. So they, they raise their hand and they're, they're, they're sick people.

And what a wuss, what a fucking wuss that guy is to strap a bomb on himself. Or I don't even know if it was a, you know, a suicide bombing like that again, initial reports are hard to make out what he actually did, but then he blew up his house with his family and his kids in it, trying to get the U S soldiers who were there. I mean, what a jerk, man. Yeah. And I want to have a basis of comparison here. So while Biden is pursuing an aggressive foreign policy abroad and having important wins there, you know, Republican leadership, we should be looking in Texas. We can look at Florida. Let's just talk about these governors for a second. Let's just talk about Greg Abbott. Remember the last power outage that took over Texas and people were like literally freezing to death as a result of the state of Texas and the government, not like buying

anti-freeze for their wind turbines when they knew that that's a very easy thing to purchase like, and, and, and not deal with. And then somehow Abbott tried to blame it on the proposal of the green new deal. Remember like all that absurdity. Yeah. And then Abbott was asked by someone at a sports event if he could promise them that he had fixed the grid and that these power outages wouldn't happen again. Let's play the clip. Hey, Greg, look, I got second round for last year because of the power grid. Can you tell me that won't happen again?

I can tell you it won't happen again. Promise? Yeah. All right. Can we shake on it? As we speak right now, they've added 15% more power generation capacity. You promise? I know so. Okay. A couple of weeks after that, we go to November 26th, 2021. Abbott is once again asked, can he guarantee that the lights will stay on in Texas this winter? His response. Can you guarantee that the lights are going to stay on? I can guarantee the lights will stay on.

No equivocation there. I can guarantee that the lights will stay on. Flash cut, however, to February 2nd, 2022. Greg Abbott changes his tune. Let's hear what Greg Abbott said this Wednesday. Well, listen, no one can guarantee that there won't be a, quote, load shed event. And for those wondering what a load shed event is, a load shed event means mass blackouts. No one can guarantee there won't be mass blackouts in the state, that the power companies are going to have to shut off power for many Texans. And so in a span of a few months, Greg Abbott went from guaranteeing, guaranteeing that there would be no power issues to now saying, oh, well, we can't guarantee that at all. Who would

guarantee something like that? And that's exactly what happened. And so I first want to just send our thoughts and our hearts out to everybody in Texas who is struggling right now with these winter storms and with the cold weather and with these power outages that are consuming the state. And I think people like Greg Abbott really need to be held accountable for at the end of the day, what they're doing is they are upholding failed states. They are creating failed states and that's what they are running on. They are just destroying the entire infrastructure of the states. They are not willing to help at all, not willing to do simple regulations like, Ben, you said, weatherize the

wind turbines or actually do anything to help the situation. And in fact, they sit back and now a problem that could have been avoided is now back on Texans who are suffering right now. Yeah, they're putting politics over people in the name of power. Let's talk about another failed governor in DeSantis. And he has refused to condemn a Nazi rally, an actual Nazi rally, like literally Nazis who were rallying in Orlando over this past weekend. And when DeSantis was asked to condemn them, rather than say, yes, I condemn Nazis, he condemned Democrats. And he said that Democrats are launching a smear campaign against him. It was a very simple question. Do you condemn Nazis?

And he said, I'm not going to address it. As a politician, this is like a question that you should hope to get. Do you condemn Nazis? And then you could be like, yes, of course I condemn Nazis. Nazis have no place in Florida. Nazis have no place in America or anywhere in 2022. However, Ron DeSantis instead got very defensive about the whole thing. And it's just a, you know, it's a bizarre kind of defensive posture to take. I mean, the fact is, is that there were

these rallies and they were happening in his state and he refused to condemn them. We fought a war over Nazis. We won. We celebrated it. We should continue to celebrate the platforming Nazis. It's crazy. You know, it's very much, I agree with you, Jordi, and it's very much part of the Trumpist, Trumpism strategy of DeSantis. So while DeSantis and Trump are clearly headed for being at odds against each other since DeSantis wants to run and Trump is pretending that he wants to run so he could keep raising money for his PAC, more on that later, it's a very Trumpy thing to do that DeSantis has learned in kind of imitating that, which is literally don't even condemn anything. Like the same way, you know, when Trump had to be pressed about his views on the Proud

Boys, you know, and the most he can muster was stand back and stand by, you know, this is a similar strategy that DeSantis is having. You look to what else is going in Florida too, and this abortion ban, this 15-week abortion ban, that looks very similar to the Mississippi law that's currently before the Supreme Court. And so there's a case in the Supreme Court now, we've talked about it on Midas Touch Legally F, we talked about it on this podcast called Dobbs v. Mississippi, and it's a Mississippi law that bans abortions after 15 weeks. There was oral arguments two months ago in December. Based on the oral argument, it looks like the Supreme Court is going to uphold Mississippi's 15-week ban on abortion. So now what's happening is other

states like Florida, seeing the tea leaves, they're passing similar 15-week bans, believing that the Supreme Court's going to uphold a 15-week ban. So this ban on abortion is working its way through the Florida legislature and the Senate committee, and a vote was put before the Senate committee on whether there would be exceptions to the ban in cases of rape or in cases of incest. And the Florida Senate committee that oversees this has voted no, that rape and incest aren't exceptions. And at the 15-week ban, even if you were raped or the victim of incest, the victim of rape, you cannot seek an abortion in the state of Florida. That's going through the Florida committee. That is a bill that will likely pass in Florida and a bill that will

be implemented in that state. This isn't trying to create fear or panic about it. We did a video during the election. Brett, did that video have audio where if we play it for our audio listeners, they'll be able to get a sense of the video that we did? Or do you want to maybe just talk people through the video we did during the election where some people said, oh, you're just trying to, you know, you're just trying to scare people, the abortion video we did? Listen, everything's going to be okay, right? Just let me do the talking, okay? Just... Evening, ladies. License, please.

Where are you headed? Oh, we're just out for a drive. Headed to the border? Oh, no, no. We were just going up to the... Hey there. What's your name? Grace.

Are you pregnant, Grace? Step out of the vehicle. She does not have to be pregnant. Yes, she does. Show me your hands on the wheels, Grace. Step out of the vehicle. On the wheels. It's okay.

The video shows a mom and her daughter. You don't really know what the situation is when you're watching it at first. And the mom and her daughter are traveling from one state which bans abortion. And they're trying to travel into another state that doesn't ban abortion when they're pulled over by police asking them where are they going. And basically threatening to imprison them for leaving the state together and seeing if the daughter is pregnant. Lots of people said, oh, you're just trying to scare us. I mean, it was a very impactful video. You're being hysterical, but that's exactly what is going to happen. The abortion bans being proposed are wildly unpopular when you poll people.

People support the right of childbearing persons to choose by margins of 60 to 65 percent supporting the right to choose. But nonetheless, these radical right extremist states are going to pass these abortion bans, period. And the Supreme Court are going to pass these abortion bans, period. And the Supreme Court is going to uphold Mississippi. The Supreme Court may totally overturn Roe v. Wade, making states being able to do bans at six weeks. And by the way, what I predict is going to happen is that the Texas rule SB8, which is the bounty hunter law, the Supreme Court did something so insidious because what the Supreme Court did was they ruled that SB8 could be challenged federally, but they remanded the case to the Fifth Circuit so that the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals,

which is very conservative and radical right, I should say, would have the ability to then ask the Texas Supreme Court for determination about standing of certain people to sue. So the short of what all that means is the ability to challenge SBA would be delayed for about a year. And what's going to happen within that year? The Supreme Court's going to rule on Dobbs v. Mississippi. What I predict is going to happen is once Dobbs v. Mississippi holds that you can have these abortion bans, Texas is going to repeal the bounty hunter law and then just issue a ban. So I predict that's what's going to happen. But that's where it's headed. We can't sugarcoat it on the show. I mean, we never sugarcoat it for people here. We got to tell you exactly what's going on,

because these are all the results of, these are long-term results of decisions that were made years ago. This goes back to the 2016 election, and I would argue it even goes back decades and decades. Republicans have been playing the long game on this for over 50 years. And it's about time that we as Democrats start waking up and start realizing that policy, elections, everything's not always decided in these two-year timeframes. Things are decided in decades. And Republicans go, okay, what could we accomplish? Well, let's keep pushing the same thing for 50-plus years until we get the result we want. While Democrats may say, oh, we didn't get the result we wanted within the first year, the first two years. Oh, I guess we're going to quit. I guess

we're going to give up. That's why it's time that we need to put that attitude away. We need to shelve that attitude. And for those wondering the name of the video, the name of the video is Traffic Stop. Look it up on our YouTube channel. I mean, we got more hate for this video than probably any other video that we created. We were targeted by Breitbart. We were targeted by Daily Caller, all the right people, but who said that this is outrageous. This would never happen in the United States of America. And not a year later, do we actually see this stuff happening in the United States of America. And then you use the word insidious. And I think that's an interesting way to describe what's going on in Republican-led states across the country. I mean, we're seeing a lot of

insidious policies go through Republican legislatures because as of now, they just feel emboldened. They feel like they could get away with anything. They feel like they could rule with, their small percentage of voters because they feel energized. And one example is in Iowa, they have Republicans introduce the bill that would put government installed cameras inside every classroom to live stream school activities for parents to spy on teachers and children at all times of the day. Kind of ironic that they're banning books like 1984 and then going ahead and installing cameras in schools so that parents could go and complain when they're being taught about America's history because they want to get rid of America's history. In Oklahoma, stalling cameras in schools so that parents could go and complain when they're being taught about

America's history because they want to get rid of America's history. In Oklahoma, Republicans have filed a bill allowing parents to sue teachers for teaching content that is, quote, in opposition to closely held religious beliefs. They're fining teachers $10,000 per incident that's reported, and schools can face $10 thousand dollar a day fines per each banned book that isn't removed when it's requested by teachers i mean think about that standard any teachable any teaching content that is in opposition to closely held religious beliefs first what is this religious standard in public schools that shouldn't exist like we shouldn't have religious standards in public schools and then whose religion are we talking about here?

When you get down to it. I know the answer. I don't have to really get down to it. I know whose religion we're talking about here, but yeah. It's wild to me. We say it all the time on the show. When you find yourself on the side of anti-teacher, anti-librarian, anti-books, anti-equality, you're on the wrong side.

Wake up. Think about a school teaching sociology. Think about a school teaching biology, evolution, science, history, literature, geography, reading, any of these things. Think about all of these subjects. All of these subjects at some point or another will conflict with religious teachings. It's just the fact of the modern world. And so you have a situation where a parent, if this bill passes, where a parent in Oklahoma could go, hey, I don't think my child should be learning about evolution in schools. I don't believe in that. I don't think that should be something that they're taught. doesn't stop teaching it because this parent is offended, then that teacher could be fined $10,000 a day and that school can be fined $10,000 a day. All this does is it, and this is, I think, the purpose of a lot of these bills, is it destroys the public education system.

It makes it so that teachers who are otherwise incredibly qualified and eager to go to work no longer want to take these positions. Teachers are already treated horribly enough. They're severely underpaid. Yeah. Think about the $10,000. That's likely a quarter of their salary. And instead of fining teachers $10,000 a day, we should look into giving teachers more money so they don't have to be reaching into their own pockets to buy school supplies for their kids or buy books or buy whatever it is. So their pencils, you name it, so that their students need to learn. But instead they're targeting teachers and they're targeting the public school system. And I think it's just horrible. And these are really fascistic tendencies at the end of the day, right? There's a reason why this radical extremist GQP supports

Viktor Orban in Hungary, why they're supportive of Putin. It's the same mentality of what they're really trying to create. They know with a free and fair election, with the way our country, what most people in the country want to be, that they will never win an election, this radical extremist right wing. And so the way they're trying to do it is destroy education to try to historically, like what they want to create and what they've always been supportive of, but what they really want to create is an apartheid system and minority rule through manipulating and breaking the law and creating this white, generally white supremacist style leadership that looks like South Africa did during apartheid. Like that's what they want to create. And all of the signs and what they're

creating is there. It's like the television show that everyone was like, oh, that can never happen here. Handmaid's Tale. Yeah, Handmaid's Tale. Honestly, Handmaid's Tale, in some ways, it's a very similar ideology to what exists here. That's why I had to stop watching the show, to be honest. I stopped watching a couple of seasons ago because I was like, I feel like I'm living it a little bit. Not that it's that extreme right now, but I feel like that's where the country's heading. Like it's, it became too realistic for me. No, there's no doubt about it. And, but you know, to everybody listening to this again, you are the solution. Like we shouldn't look to other locations of like, Oh, that's happening. This is happening. Like you are the

solution. You know, we always say this on each and every podcast, but like, oh, that's happening. This is happening. Like you are the solution. You know, we always say this on each and every podcast, but like I always want to reiterate it at these times where we go from talking about Biden who killed the ISIS leader and then we transition to telling you about what this Republican

failed state solution is. Like you hold the power to make a big change here. Like you could change where this tide is headed. You can do that. You can do that by canvassing, do that by registering voters. You can do that by just spreading the message, spreading Midas touch videos to people like, do not let this fascist takeover happen. Like you could be the difference. Anyway, throw it to you, Brent. Got a lot more show coming. Excited to get into our interview with Alison Gill and excited to talk about a lot more topics that are incredibly important today. But first, let me tell you about

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than those who are vaccinated and boosted. I was going to have to do my own research on this. I mean, let's, but let's be serious here, Brett, for a second. Come on, Brett. Shame on you, Brett. Shame on you. Shame. Shut your mouth. But seriously, Brett, shame on you because I'm trying to make a shame. I'm trying to make a shame.

I'm being really shameful. So I'm trying to make a serious point here because to me, whenever you shame, just shame on you, Brett. I'm just sorry. I just have to shame you one more time. Because let me tell you, whenever you see the joke, okay, shame on you. So whenever there's, you see on Joe Rogan, when you see any debate, like to me, if I were to go on a show like that, I think all you

need to basically say is, am I even having a debate with you? Unvaccinated people are 97 times more likely to die of COVID than those who are vaccinated and boosted. Okay. So stop talking to me about any other fact. There is no more debate, period. At the end of the day, there's stats like that. We'll call the hospital. This isn't a debate. I think when you go back to what Rogan said, though, about having alternative viewpoints and having other perspectives, though, what he said at the end of that statement, though, I think was what's most important.

When you have a platform like that and you elevate, it's not just an alternative viewpoint. There's a wrong viewpoint. It is an erroneous viewpoint. And then he gives other examples of things where he goes, well, the science was wrong on this or the science was wrong on that. Look, the science was wrong on masking. No, it wasn't. The science was never wrong on that. Look, the science was wrong on masking. No, it wasn't. The science was never wrong on masking.

The data that continues to come out shows that maybe there's different types of masks that work better than others as you aggregate more data, but masking does work. And we see consistent data that shows that. And so finding these views that are part of an agenda to support people like DeSantis and support an overall ecosystem of unvaccinated people who are dying and killing others, that becomes the problem. sent you, remember that TikTok I sent you is one of the most compelling ones I sent you recently about this influencer, this YouTube influencer who was completely anti-vax. And then, and there's so many videos like this, but this one like really hit me hard who then got COVID, went through the

process where they had to be put on a ventilator, you know, and they're, you know, chronicled the experience and said, I just wish I would have gotten vaccinated. I wish I got boosted. I'm about to die. You know, please let everybody know to get, you know, to get vaccinated and sure. You know, you may, you may as an unvaccinated person, be lucky and not die, but you're exposing yourself to the chance of death and you're exposing others to the chance of death. It's just so upsetting to me where this is. In the name of what, too? In the name of what? Owning the libs? I mean, really, you're hurting yourself and your family by not getting vaccinated. That's all there is to say. And there was a story recently about that officer, Robert LeMay, I think his name was, who Fox held as a hero. This was a guy who was on Laura Ingraham's program,

Laura Ingraham. He was on Laura Ingraham's program and he was on like numerous Fox programs, just talking about his decision to refuse to get the vaccine. Yeah, I mean, he died. He died of COVID. And Fox has not mentioned it since. They had him on TV every single night. He was their hero. He was the resistance against the vaccine movement. And he died. And then Fox all of a sudden just moves on. And I think it just shows you how callous and how careless and how much these people don't give a shit about your lives. I think the whole irony of this process the entire time is that Democrats, Democratic politicians, people like us, we seem to care more about the lives of Republicans than the people who they follow.

And one of the things they also do, Brett, I don't know if you know this. So one of the things they use to scare people also is to say that police deaths have increased X percentage, like year over year under Democrats and under Biden. And then what they're counting though, are the unvaccinated COVID deaths of police officers. And so that's what they use to scare people to say that more police have died because Fox has encouraged unvaccinated people. And then they use that to say that more police officers are dying. Gorsuch is going to be speaking at the Federalist Society, where he's going to be joined by Governor DeSantis. He's going to be joined by Mike Pence. The media has been barred from this event. And so you have a Supreme Court justice who's about to rule to essentially overturn Roe v. Wade, meeting with the Federalist Society, a private group that influences Supreme Court policy with politicians, Pence and DeSantis there. And these are the people, by the way, Neil Gorsuch refused to wear a mask during the oral arguments about Biden's vaccine requirements or testing

requirements, which the radical right extreme court struck down, which was also part of this Federalist Society agenda. Federalist Society is this group of radical extremists who come from law school. They start trying to train you in law school to have these radical views and train you to become radical right extremists, the judges who espouse these like anti-diversity pro military guns in schools, this real radical agenda. And so now you have though this merger of the Supreme court, which has basically no credibility at this point, this current Supreme court. I mean, it's a complete sham Supreme court. It's just so sad for me to like going to law school, to see a Supreme court that like is supposed to rule on precedent and like the law and take the constitution seriously.

You know, it, it, it reminds me of, I know I'm just going on random tangents here, but it reminds me of the good liars video where they were quoting Genesis and the section about sexual intercourse that happened in Genesis and asking people if that book should be banned and going to right-wing states. Did you see that? That's funny. Yeah, play that clip. There's a book that we've seen that's in libraries and lots of schools that features a story of two daughters having sex with their dad. Oh, wow. They get their dad drunk to have sex with them. And this is like a book. Should a book like that be in a school? No. No. No. Just get that out of the school.

Absolutely. Why do the kids need to read that? That book is actually the Bible. Oh, no. Yeah. No, no. No. They clearly haven't read the Bible. They clearly haven't read the constitution yet. And they, they desecrate the flag every day by putting Trump's face on the flag. Like it just a complete sham radical part. Like if you were, let me ask you this, Ben, if you were 17, 18, you know, young Ben here going into college, you think you would have pursued law? Just looking at what a bunch of phonies we have at this upper echelon of the courts in the US is they're running such a mockery of the profession that I know you hold so near and dear. I mean, it would have been very discouraging for me at that time. And I wonder what future

law students think about it. Like, on the one hand, you can't not go into the profession where you're someone who can make a difference. In order to change it, you have to lean in. But at the same time, it's like this radical right extremist court is going to overturn all the precedent we hold near and dear and try to prop up this extremist, fascist agenda. But I'm sure we have a guest who is certainly passionate about exactly what we're talking about. She's experienced retaliation firsthand. This interview was recorded previously while I was on film and I couldn't make it out, but Brett and Jody did an incredible interview. But before we get into the Allison Gill interview, Brett, tell us about one of our show's partners. Everyone's going to love Allison. Allison's great. And Allison's also, in addition to having an incredible story, she's been on top of all the January 6th developments and has been just really insightful in the information that she's given and in her

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And a staunch advocate for the democratic resistance. But no, I'm still not done. She is also the executive producer and host of two of our favorite podcasts here at Midas Touch, podcast Mueller She Wrote and The Daily Beans. She runs the MSW Media Podcast Network, which just so happens to be a partner of the Midas Media Network. Alison Gill, welcome to the Midas Touch podcast. Let's go. I don't know if I can live up to all that. Hello. I was told I needed to be here and camera ready, so I'm not even sure what we're going to talk about. But no, I'm kidding. It's so great to be here. I love you guys. Love your show. Love all your shows. And I'm so happy that we're teaming up. That is quite the resume. It's super exciting. I feel like that's the interview with

Allison. Thank you so much. We covered it. We covered it all. So I mean, Allison, just reading that bio alone. I mean, you've had quite the journey here. I know you came from a military family. You decided to join the Navy. You worked for the Department of Veterans Affairs. You're a comedian. You now run one of the most successful podcast networks out there.

I would just love, what's the blinkest version? What's the quick version of that story? How did you get to where you are today? Nice blinkest reference. There we go. What's the quick version of that story? How did you get to where you are today? Nice Blinkist reference. There we go. I don't even know if they're a sponsor today, Brett. Today's show is brought to you by... So how did I get here?

Oh, my gosh. Well, you know, Navy and then from the Navy to working for the government, I took the oath of office the same day Obama did. When he was campaigning, he was encouraging people to be of service. But since I was already out of the military and a disabled veteran, I couldn't go back to the military. And I was probably too old. But I said, you know, I'll go work for the Department of Veterans Affairs. So we got to take the oath of office the same day. And that was kind of cool. My oath was a little different from his, but you know, same idea.

And I didn't faithfully execute the, you know, the duties of the president of the United States, but close, I mean, super close. Pretty close, pretty close. And then around 2017, the Mueller investigation started and around exactly in May of 2017 and around October, they started showing all these Watergate documentaries. And I'm like, you know, I bet there's going to be a lot of Mueller documentaries. I want to get in on this.

I want to, because I was going around to 10 different news outlets to get my Mueller news. And I was like, I bet everyone wants their Mueller news in one place. So I decided to start a podcast. And the day that the Manafort and Gates indictments dropped, I set up a couple of crappy audio technicas in my kitchen and sat down and recorded the first episode. And then the Trump administration investigated my podcast and me, and then they pulled the old Mick Mulvaney trick where they moved my job across the country. And I decided not to go. So the fun part, though, is, you know, I, you know, working for the federal government, you're bound by the Hatch Act.

You can't fundraise for anyone. So right around March 2020, when they dismissed me, finally, I was out from under the Hatch Act and got together with a group of other podcasters. We raised half a million dollars for Biden and Harris and Ossoff. You're like, okay, I'm not bound by the hatchet anymore. I'm not going just in, I'm going all in on this. I'm jumping in. Yeah. So, oh, Trump, you're going to fire me? Well, I'm going to fire you. Yes. Let's pause on that for a moment, because I don't want to gloss over that fact. You create

what becomes one of the most successful podcasts out there covering the Mueller investigation. You were working for what, 11 years at the Department of Veterans Affairs at this time? Yep. And then they catch wind of this podcast and how did they, they came to you and said, hey, is this you? What actually happened behind the scenes there where you went from, okay, I'm working for the Department of Veterans Affairs. I'm doing this podcast. I'm trying to get valuable information out there. And all of a sudden now my boss is saying that I'm in trouble and I'm fired. Well, right. So I'm like most government, most government officials, I'm very into ethics

and not running afoul of any laws. And so I hired some lawyers to help me advise me on how to not break violate the Hatch Act and how to, you know, be ethically correct. And so I made sure that I only worked on the podcast on my in my free time nights and on weekends. And then in April of 2019, they flew out, my new bosses flew out. After the Trump administration had been put in, they flew out and said, you know, we're moving your job across the country. And I'm like, cool, I'm taking my 12 weeks then because I had 12 weeks of leave saved up. And I'm like, great, fire me. I'm taking 12 weeks, you know, and I thought they'd fire me before that 12 weeks was up, but they brought me back. And on August 6th, I got a phone call from my boss, which I thought was going to be, hey, welcome back. We'll catch you up on

what's been going on since you've been out. But instead they were like, this is a fact-finding investigation and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, well, great. I need a lawyer. And they're like, no, you're not entitled to representation. They denied me representation twice. They could do that? No.

And so then I just started answering their questions because I hadn't done anything wrong. And it was so like lame courtroom, like, but Republican lame courtroom drama. They were like, okay, I'm going to need you to open up your laptop and go to MullersheWrote.com. And so I go and they're like, click on hosts. And I click on hosts and they're like is that you and I'm like yeah I was really trying to hide it by having my big picture on the homepage with my name really really stealthy really flying under the radar here you know me I'm like yeah AG picture of me Alison Gill way to go Sherlock so I'm like yeah yeah that's me and I'm like wait I really think I need a lawyer and they're like no you know and I'm like okay yeah that's me and then the funniest part I So I'm like, yeah, that's me. And I'm like, wait, I really think I need a lawyer. And they're like, no, you know, and I'm like, okay, yeah, that's me. And then the funniest part,

I mean, I'm terrified too, because I'm like, did I have I broken any rules? Have I broken any rules? And they go, all right, and they they spell out this URL, which is a link to a Twitter post, and they spell the whole thing out like HTTPS colon slash slash. It's actually how Ben does his uh does his web searching and they're like twitter.com slash four eight h z hyphen you know the whole thing and i'm typing it out and then we get to it and what it is is it's a video of me live in minneapolis for doing a live podcast for muller sheote, sold out the Parkway Theater.

And at the end of every show, I would get the audience to split into three groups and say, can I swear on your show? Yes, please. It's encouraged, in fact. I thought so. We were partners. And I divide everyone into three groups. And then I have them sing a four-part harmony of the word fucked.

And we decide who's going to be fucked that week and that week it was Manafort and uh you know so I say Manafort is and they're like fuck fuck fuck and then the mezzanine goes fucked and then we end and then everybody stands up standing ovation and and they're like is that you and I'm half terrified half dying laughing because this is the video they've decided to show me um i'm sure it's a lot funnier to look back on now than it was at the time being uh investigated yeah it was kind of scary because i'm like who the fm like who the fuck am i who and i'm like oh okay i guess i'm the premier podcast for the miller investigation and in the world

right now. But like, it just didn't seem like that. Cause you know, you're in your house and you don't know. And, uh, but yeah,

they investigated. They're like, did you do this? Uh, were you on time? You know, you took leave. And I'm like,

yeah, I'm allowed to do whatever I want on leave. And the thing is guys, I was a comedian for 10 years before that, like telling dick jokes and out there like like on television and you know doing you know with the improv like pretty big shows and stuff they never had a problem with that they never had a problem with the dick jokes until trump was the dick joke and then then they had a problem with it so i sued them um and uh got my severance and um because they

were going to withhold my severance and and you know that one and now i don't have to work for them anymore and then i raised a bunch of money and helped get him out of office kick kick that's the ultimate karma right there yeah no doubt success is the best revenge as we all know and so what was your impression at the time that this came from the top? They were clearly targeting you, not just because you had a podcast, but because of the nature of the podcast. Yeah. And I didn't find out until later, after a couple of FOIA requests, that they were actually

monitoring my social media and the podcast at the level of the Secretary of the Veterans Affairs. Oh, my gosh. And there was some stuff going back and forth between Office of Legal Counsel, and it was actually the Office of Legal Counsel that helped my boss with their investigation into the podcast. So it did come from the very top levels. That's wild. And thinking back as a spectator to all of this, obviously, I was not intimately involved during any of this process. And we actually just recently met each other and developed our friendship. But...

Don't deny that we weren't intimately involved. I got to watch my words. But it felt like Mueller, she wrote, it felt like that podcast like skyrocketed. It felt like it came out and it was like kind of an instant sensation. Is that how it felt for you when it came out? Is that just me looking back now at that time period? No, it did. It blew us away. Because as comedians, we have tons of comedian friends who start podcasts. And our very first kitchen episode with the shitty microphones, the very first day we got 80 downloads, 80.

And we were like, whoa, because most of our friends got like nine. And we're like, 80, hell yeah. And then the next week it was 1,000. And then the next week it was 25,000. And within three months it was 200,000. And it really blew us all away how quickly it grew. And it maintained that level until, of course, after the Mueller report came out. And that's when we said, well, let's do a daily. Let's do a daily news show instead.

And obviously, your content was super interesting for everyone. But what do you think that was that made it just explode so quickly? Was it like word of mouth? Were you doing a lot of social posting about this? What popped? I think we were the only one doing it. And it was three women, comedians, and we were swearing.

But we were bringing the serious facts and putting it all together in one place. And I think word of mouth got out there and we started to get guests like Joyce Vance and Barb McQuaid and Seth Abrams and like all these really great guests who would then share it with their followers who are very engaged and very plugged in.

And I think that it just organically happened that way. I love it. It's such a great story. And it's really a testament to what we speak about a lot on the show that if like you have an idea out there and if you have any other way of how do I think I could help democracy or push the ball forward, just do it. If you want to paint, start painting. If you want to do music, just do music. And we were no different when we started out with Midas Touch. And now I love what you're doing with the Daily Beans. You have become really, to me, one of the foremost experts, one of the most invaluable sources of information for all things

January 6th. And I follow your feed very, very, very closely for the latest updates, and not only the updates, but your analysis on it, which I think is always spot on. So let's dig into the current January 6th committee updates. I want to specify, you know, we're recording this on Wednesday. I guarantee by the time we finish recording this episode, there will be about 20 more stories that broke. I guarantee by the time this airs, there will be another 150 stories that I broke. But let's get into the latest that we know right now. Breaking news is that January 6th committee member Jamie Raskin says the timeline for the start of public hearings is most likely April. We've been hearing that it's going to be early this year, early 2022. First, what are your thoughts on the timeline?

That's kind of when I expected it. I mean, they have now over 475 witnesses, tens of thousands of documents to review and hours of video. They've added 40 people to their staff with the new tranches coming over from the archives, probably to tape them back together because Donald Trump tore them up. So, you know, to go through all that,

this is just a massive, massive investigation. And to be able to go through all that, pick out what you need, the important parts, put it, you know, put it together in a presentation, it's, it's, it's going to take a minute. And so, you know, it's the same, virtually the same timeline as the Watergate hearings. And so, you know, they're very thorough. And I honestly, all of the great legal minds that are on that committee and working in tandem with that committee, I trust them, and I trust that they know what they're doing as far as the timing goes and as far as putting the case together goes. So I back whatever decisions they make. And so not only is it important that they research and get all the information, but I think the importance of these public hearings is that they put on a little bit of a show. A lot of people look back to Watergate, and they say that those public hearings were the things that helped finally shift public perception in the way that it needed to shift. What do you think that these hearings need to deliver to the American people? Or are we just so polarized at this point that they might

not even be able to have that effect at this point? No, I think they'll have that similar effect. And I don't think it'll be the same because we didn't have social media and Fox News and everything back, you know, back during the Watergate hearings. Everyone was just sort of, I wonder what's going on. And then they come out and tell you what's going on. And everyone's like, whoa. But because of, you know, Fox News and social media, I think that people who are so far right at Trump supporters are just entrenched. And now it's it's to the point of cult like and I know you guys have a show with Dr. Hassan. And it's when I when I spoke to him, I was like, what do we do? He's like, well, the the the worst thing you can do is tell them they're in a cult because they're just going to dig their heels in more. And so I don't think that those are the minds that are going to change. The minds that need to change are the middle, the independents, the fence sitters. Those are the folks that need to know, you know, we're really in the weeds in this, but there's a lot of people out there who aren't familiar with exactly what happened leading up to January 6th. All these seven state conspiracy, all these, this hub and giant hub and

spoke conspiracy that we're that's just we're learning more about every day and that's what needs to be presented and it needs to be presented in a in a digestible way uh a way that doesn't put people to sleep um and so i mean that was one of the the reasons we started the muller she podcast. It's like, this stuff is snoozeville. We need to, you know, get people interested in it. And so that I think is what is going to have the most impact on the public. And then of course, the referrals to Department of Justice, if they're not already, which I think they are, investigating all this. Yeah, I agree with you there. And I think it's an important point also, you know, whenever we hear, well, why hasn't the January 6th committee made any arrests yet? That's not their job, right? This is a fact-finding committee. And at the end of the day, they will make referrals to DOJ based on the information that they find. Yeah, these hearings are their sole job. To put these hearings on. That's their sole purpose.

One of the interesting things I saw Wednesday morning was that Jeffrey Clark actually testified in person before the January 6th committee. Our listeners may remember that Clark was appointed acting head of the DOJ Civil Division in September 2020. He tried to overturn the results of the election with Trump. If you watched our A Coup in coup in plain sight video, he was the one who drafted that phony letter to Georgia that just flat out lied and said that there was a fraud in their election and that they should consider, you know, redoing it, basically. Why do you think he's speaking? And what testimony do you think Clark could provide?

Well, he was subpoenaed a while ago. And then he was like, I'm sick, bro. I can't come in. And they're like, okay. And then they rescheduled it. And he's like, I'm still sick, bro. And I'm like, okay. And now they finally got him to come in. And because he doesn't want to be, because he would definitely be referred for contempt, criminal contempt of Congress. And so I don't know if he's going to plead the fifth on a bunch of stuff. There's also the complication that he might be cooperating with the Department of Justice or the Department of Justice's ongoing Inspector General investigation into Trump former DOJ officials that started on January 5th of last year, January 25th of last year, January 5th,

that'd be weird. We know what's going to happen tomorrow. January 25th of last year, January 5th, that'd be weird. We know what's going to happen tomorrow. One of the crazy things, right, like underneath all this, the DOJ kind of has to'll see what happens. I think a lot of it will come to light when we find out today how long he's been in that room. Because, you know, we've had people testify for seven hours, eight hours, like around the Pence, you know, the Pence team. And it's like, they didn't invoke the Fifth for eight hours. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. And then, you know, I don't know. I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not quite sure that if the DOJ doesn't want you to tell the committee stuff, if they have you invoke your Fifth Amendment right, or if they just have you say, I can't talk about that because of an ongoing investigation. Right. And I think that's an important point that you made, that there are a lot of people right now sitting there for eight, in eight plus hours,

speaking with the committee. And these are not necessarily names that you've heard of. They're not like, you know, it's not like Mike Pence or Donald Trump Jr., but they are people who are in the room, people with firsthand information who could provide all the testimony and information that prosecutors, that investigators need at the end of the day? And so in the past few days, we saw who you referenced, I believe, Mark Short, Pence's former chief of staff, Greg Jacob, an attorney who worked for Pence. He met with the committee for at least eight and a half hours. And I saw Daniel Goldman, who was an attorney at the lead counsel during the House impeachment inquiry. He said that the January 6th committee is getting cooperation from nearly all their targeted witnesses and have a very full picture of what went on behind the scenes. This

is bad news for obstructionists because they are letting others tell their story and obstruction only works if everybody does it. Your thoughts? Ding, ding, ding. That's my thought. I mean, that's exactly it. And, you know, with the subpoena of the 14 forged electors, you know, where they want to speak to them, if then the Mueller report came out, I was like, there's not much in here that we didn't catch. I'm wondering if the same is true for, you know, for those of us super in the weeds on January 6th, you know, with all these things that we've been looking at, or if what we've seen is just the tip of the iceberg, and they're going to blow, because Jamie Raskin has said, it's going to blow the roof off, what you're about to find out. But, you know, I'm wondering, how much do we already know? And how much don to blow the roof off what you're about to find out. But I'm wondering how much do we already know and how much don't we know and what are we going to

find out in April? I kind of am in the camp of what we know is the tip of the iceberg. And every time one of these stories breaks, it's something that the January 6th committee probably knew months ago at this point. I understand people's frustrations. I empathize with them. I get it. I get that being told, you know what, they have to have a tight case. They need everything buttoned up. I get that that's not always the answer that people need to hear. And I think people get so frustrated because of the brazenness of Trump and Republicans

who just keep criming. Apparently, they just keep going out there and committing more crimes just in plain sight. Keep criming. That's a new one. They keep keep crime. That's what we've been saying. We did a meme a long time ago with like from Mean Girls, but it was like Manafort and Gates and Trump in the car. It's just get in, loser. We're going crime. That's that's perfect. And we saw saw it this past weekend we saw trump at a rally promising pardons for people i mean i know you're not an attorney but do you think that is an additional criminal offense what do you think of the trump strategy right now of just committing more crimes as a private citizen to try to cover up his previous crimes yeah as we used to say throw

it on the obstruction pile. I don't think, according to the former U.S. prosecutors and former U.S. attorneys that I've spoken to, that in itself, within the four corners of that, is probably very tough to prove as a criminal act of witness tampering or obstruction of justice. But if included in a larger, what they call totality of the evidence, that it could be used to prove obstruction and intent. And I understand everyone's frustrations too. And I have them in some areas and in other areas, I'm more patient. But these are real and reasonable concerns because democracy is hanging on by a thread here. And so what I've been encouraging everyone to do is instead of taking it out on your fellow Dems on social media, just Google contact the Justice Department. They have an email thing you can send in digitally.

You can call them and leave them messages. Tell them what you think. Don't tell me. Tell them. and leave them messages. You could tell them what you think. Don't tell me. Tell them. And if we can flood the Department of Justice with calls from the public, I don't know what impact it would have, but it would certainly have more impact

than yelling at me about it on Twitter. Yeah, I think at least above all, we have at least everybody on our side, so to speak, wants justice. We all do. It's a debate about whether, should Trump have been arrested, literally whisked off the stage on January 6th and taken and thrown in a car, or is the process happening as it should? But at least on all those sides, no matter where on the spectrum you are, we all want

justice here. We are not the lawless party here who is just running around committing crimes. But one of the things that you mentioned that you've been critical a little bit of is that you tweeted, I asked the Justice Department and our U.S. attorney at USAO DC to bring the obstruction of justice charges laid out in volume two of the Mueller report or to explain your declination to do so. Failure to consider it is a dereliction of duty. So why do you think Garland never brought these charges that were laid out for him in the Mueller report, these obstruction of justice charges? Well,

there's still time under the statute of limitations. I think the most prosecutable obstruction charges, there's four of them, and they all have to do with McGahn. McGahn gave his testimony in May, several months after Merrick Garland even came into the picture, but also several months before we got a U.S. attorney in D in DC, Matthew Graves, who would be the one to bring those charges. But also we have to consider that Barr, whatever you think of him, looked at those and decided it was not, it did not amount to obstruction of justice. And there's a memo about it, but the DOJ won't release it. And so it's probably more difficult to overturn the previous attorney general's determination about the criminality of obstruction of justice than it is to just pick it up and run with it if he didn't do anything. And so I don't know if they're

considering it or why they're considering it. But one of the important caveats there is that, you know, or explain your declination to do so. If they just decide not to, and don't tell everyone why, because if they decide not to, there's going to be a reason. If they do that, and don't tell anyone why, that's a problem, I think, for just public perception. There might be, again, a very good reason. I don't think that there might be people who don't buy it. But you know, I think that that's an important thing to do. And then also, that's one of the things that, you know, with contacting the Justice Department, I'd contact them all the time and say, do this. And it's failure to consider it would be a dereliction of duty, meaning, hey, look at it. And if you've got legal reasons that you can't overturn former AG Barr's determination, just let us know. But let us know. We're not nine. And so that's something I've been on about for quite some time. And this also could, the statute of limitations might not be up in May. There were pardons dangled.

And when those pardons were given, that's a continuation of that. They kept criming. He kept criming. And the statute of limitations clock doesn't start ticking till then. And we don't know what the decision on the pardons was, whether or not that was obstruction. So we're kind of all in a holding pattern. And that's why it's frustrating. The slow moving pace of justice and the, and politics abhors a vacuum. So we're all very impatient to see this happen.

And it's getting long in the tooth. But I'll give you a timeline. If this goes the same timeline as the Mueller investigation, because people don't like to compare it to Watergate, because that was 1972. And this is a very different time. But if we compare it to the Mueller investigation, Mueller was appointed in May, first indictments come out November 1, October 31, November 1. If it's true that the US Attorney's Office in DC stood up their politically charged grand jury to look into heavy events, not the boots on the ground guys, but the higher ups like Sidney Powell, Rudy and Mike Flynn. If that timeline is the same, then the first indictments, not on Trump, but like Powell,

Rudy, that would all start happening in March if those timelines line up. And this is a much broader investigation. So we'll see what happens. But it's getting to feel like it needs to be soon. I say this to the brothers all the time. It's like, I don't know how schools teach Watergate with the severity of the issue that it was brought to us when we were learning it growing up. And then how do they teach what's going on right now with Trump and January 6th? I mean, what are your thoughts there?

Like, how will people remember this time 10, 15, 20, 50 years down the line? I don't know. But if they do documentaries about it, I want to be in it. No. It's going to be, I think, the January 6th. I think the coup, the coup in plain sight, which, by the way, the video that you did is amazing, is going to sort of drown out the Mueller investigation. It's like Mueller investigation was bananas, but it's peanuts compared to the coup. And so I think that if you look at the way Adam Schiff talks, that's the way I think history gets remembered.

His, the way he talks, remember that speech he gave on the floor on the well of the Senate? You know, he does not care. He's this, you do your thing. And I'm like that right there, that's what history is going to remember. And that's how I think it's going to be written, provided we can keep our democracy, because otherwise it's going to be written by the winners. That's an excellent point as well. I want to take a step back. So it felt like the Pence team was almost eager to testify, right? They spent however many hours it was. Now, do you think that had anything to do with these crazy statements that Trump keeps releasing about

Pence? His team's like, holy shit, if he's going to go after Pence this hard, he's going to eventually hit us. We're all going to get wet from this lunatic saying that the VP could have overturned the election. So, I mean, what are your thoughts there? Were they eager to testify against Trump? Yeah. And I think that that's and they wouldn't do it without Pence is OK. Here's what I'm hoping. I'm hoping Pence is realizing somewhere like nobody likes me. Zero people like me. The independents don't like me. The Democrats don't like me.

The Trump base certainly hates me. I can't get them back by defying, you know, helping, you know, tell the story about what went on. But if I do, I could be the John Dean of this whole thing. I could be the hero. I this whole thing. I could be the hero. I could get six more people to like me. I won't be one of them. But he would be in a much better place to do that. The only thing is, is he strikes me as a coward. I'm not sure if that's going to be enough. You know, you can't be a coward and a hero at the same time. You have to admit that you've done something wrong. And it's, it seems really difficult for him to do that. Because I truly think he, he thinks he's done

the right thing. But on the other hand, I would be willing to because Pence refused to go along with this, even though he had to get Dan Quayle's input on it. Because he refused to go along with this coup with the seven state conspiracy, at least, I would be willing to grant him immunity in all this because it would, I don't, I can't see any crimes he committed other than like misprision of a felony, like knowing somebody was committing a crime and not saying anything. But I would be, I'd be fine if he got immunity to blow the roof off this entire thing. We would even help you, Mike, with your fly situation. We get it all covered. Don't you worry. Do some videos. We'll make a deal. We'll

scrub that video from the internet and blow the lid off this whole situation. I'll delete all my tweets about the fly, Mike. Reputationdefender.com. Is that another sponsor? No, I hope not. What a bracket that is. As we bring this interview home, what would be your kind of parting words to those Twitter activists, I guess you might want to call it, who are just in nonstop calling for Garland's head. Garland must resign. This is a joke. But what would you say to them to try to reel them in and say, hey, I'd say you sound well, I'm not very good at getting to people getting people to change their minds if they're dug in but those are GOP talking points you know that's disinformation uh type stuff like on that level um and it's being exploited by bad actors uh to divide the Democratic Party that's why I'm like hey call in with your grievances don't don't take it out on

other Dems we got to get together We have a big election coming up. We can't afford to be angry at each other over stuff like this because I'll tell you what, I promise you an arrest of Donald Trump tomorrow will not make this go away. It won't make this go away. It won't bring us voting rights. It won't win us the 2022 midterms. It won't save democracy. It'll help and it'll help deter things in the future. And it's absolutely necessary to hold those accountable um that that did this but you know you arrest trump

tomorrow he's arraigned on monday he's out on bail and doing other rallies dangling more pardons saying absolutely insane shit and so you know we i think it and it would shut other people up, I think. He would lose more base. But I believe it's going to happen, and I'm hopeful that it's going to happen. Because if it doesn't, that's it. The alternative is unthinkable. Yeah, I'm with you. And I think it's an important point that you're kind of getting at, which is nobody out there...

Brett always knows a way to slightly insult our guests without realizing it. No, no, no, no, no. That's not what I meant. We were intimate and what you were kind of trying to say. I start with intimate and I end with a dig.

No, what I'm trying to say is like, don't... I feel like too often we rely on others to save us. You know, throughout the Mueller report, it was like, Mueller's gonna save us. And people think that was me. And I have like a hundred tweets where I'm like, Mueller isn't the Messiah.

We are the, we had a whole t-shirt. We are the Mullers we've been waiting for. It's us. Yeah, and so that's true. Like we are the ones weers we've been waiting for it's us yeah and so that's true like we are the ones we are waiting for here like it sounds corny but that's the truth like we are the ones who are going to decide if democrats win in 2022 and we could either sulk and be upset about the status of investigations or start putting powers on politicians that they don't have and demanding the democrats start i don't have and demanding the Democrats start,

I don't know, breaking out handcuffs and arresting people, which isn't a thing that legislators do. Or we could get to work and we could organize and we could fight for voting rights and we could fight to raise the minimum wage and we could fight for all the components of Build Back Better that we all wanted and infrastructure and getting rid of COVID and doing all this good stuff that's actually going to help people. Biden's not going to fire Garland. He's not. There's just no way. And we worked hard to elect Biden and Biden appointed Garland.

And, you know, I've seen a lot of things, too, like he's a federal Federalist Society guy and they put up his. I'm like, yeah, well, Sotomayor, Kagan, Breyer. They all have that event. Yeah, they all have. Everyone speaks at that event, yeah. They all have the same, they all have profiles on the Federalist Society website too. I think he's a good dude. I think he's going to do the right thing. I wish he would hurry up and I wish he talked more about it.

Not to reveal, you know, investigatory issues, but, you know, like the thing he came out on january 5th and said i'm doing stuff we're doing things and then we got seditious conspiracy charges which blew me away i underestimated him for that so i you know i don't want to say be patient because that's condescending your your concerns are real and reasonable but i do think it's happening and it has to be because like i said otherwise well let's hope that justice comes swiftly and with force Allison Gill thank you so much I want to thank you for

everything you do I want to thank you for your amazing podcast everybody make sure you check out Muller She Wrote and the Daily Beans where should our folks follow you Allison most of my loudmouth stuff comes out from Twitter at MuellerSheWrote, M-U-E-L-L-E-R. But I'm also at Allison Gill and at Daily Beans Pod.

Fantastic. And it has been a pleasure to be partners with your MSW Media Network. And thank you for all you do. Allison Gill, thank you so much for joining us on the Midas Touch Podcast. Thank you so much. It's been amazing. Brett Jordy, that was a great interview. I'm a little worried. I don't know if I'm going- How do we do without you? Yeah.

Before you answer that question, here's the thing. For whatever reason, and you know you have this effect on me, when we're doing interviews with all three brothers, I get very tense. You make me nervous, man. I don't know why. I think it's because you're going to make fun of me, which is why I was a little bit mean to you in the beginning of this episode. I was trying to overcompensate for that.

And so if you noticed during that interview, I was a little bit more loose. I was throwing my sharp elbows, as we like to say, and I was getting my voice in there. Well, Jordy, here's what I'll tell you. And I could tell that this episode, I feel like you've been a little bit more energized because I know that you've been having the product from our next sponsor, Thesis. That's actually a great point. I haven't used Thesis. Your energy is definitely up this episode. And I'll say to anybody out there that's struggling with focus, energy, or motivation, it's not you. It's your brain. Jordy, it's your brain. So Thesis helps you take control of your mind to create habits that last and get a little help if you need a boost.

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that we have Trump and Pence will be speaking out together? I need to find out more about this. This just sounds so, so, so, so, so insane to me. So there is some sort of event happening Friday in Florida. It's a GQP event. That's about, this is from the invite or whatever statement they made. It's about quote, constitutional principles and the rule of law. And apparently you have Mike Pence and Donald Trump both speaking at this event, obviously now like mortal enemies, or I don't know how you, what do you even want to consider them?

As we spoke about with Alison, it's been very curious recently how many Pence aides and Pence attorneys, people who were very closely in Pence's circle are now speaking with the January 6th committee and advisors say that Pence is not going to back down at this event. And they say that he is going to defend his decision to certify the results of the 2020 election at the event. So we will be monitoring this closely. We will see what happens. Obviously, Trump in the past year has, you know, just a year ago, he wanted his followers to hang Mike Pence,

and he has been threatening Mike Pence ever since. And so, you know, I think it's going to be interesting to see what happens. But what we know right now is that the Republican Party is the party of Donald Trump. It is the party of lawlessness. It is the party of fascism. And I bet when Mike Pence speaks and says these things, I bet he gets booed. I bet he gets booed really hard for saying what the law is, that he had no ability to overturn the results of a free and fair election in the United States of America. And Republicans don't want to hear that. They want full fascism. Pence is such a coward. I could see him. I could see him come Friday, really softballing it, really not going into that, Brett. I could picture him just, you know, bowing down once

again to dear leader Donald Trump. So it's going to be very interesting to see what happens at this loser palooza. I want to talk more about some January 6th committee updates, Brett, as you mentioned, Ms. Allison spoke about VP Pence's, former VP Pence's staff speaking to the January 6th committee. We'll also talk about Stuart Rhodes apparently speaking to the January 6th committee. But here's the point that I want to make. The Republican Party, because they are so spineless, they are programmed to follow the fascist leader because the senators and members of Congress have no principles. They have no true beliefs other than their racism and their view of raw power. But here's the thing. If they were true leaders and advanced an agenda that

held Trump accountable and were courageous and didn't fear, oh, he's going to say bad things about me. Oh my God, he's going to call me a nickname that's hurting my feelings. Oh, he's going to call me lying pet. He's going to call me a rhino. That actually causes them fear. They have an actual complex where they need to follow the autocrat who yells at them. But if you just look at what's going on, the Republicans who voted to impeach Trump, the nine house Republicans, they've actually raised significantly more money than their competitors who are these GQP extremist candidates. If you look at it, leading the pack, you have Liz Cheney. She pulled close to $2 million during the last three months, bringing her yearly total to $6.5 million. And Harriet

Hagman, Cheney's Trump-backed challenger who launched her bid in September, she reported only close to half a million dollars in contributions last quarter, bringing her entire total to 7.45. So less than a sixth, like a one-seventh of the funds that Liz Cheney raised. And that is repeated in many other races, like Representative Peter Meha of Michigan, who brought in eight times what his Trump endorsed primary challenger secured last quarter. I could go on and on with the names, but you get the point here. The Republican Party party would actually probably pull better if they advanced, if they held Trump accountable. That's what's kind of just so strange about this thing, but they're leaning in because they're afraid of that 20% of their base or 30% of their base that do all this performative, loud school

boards, stuff like they can't be true leaders and, you know, kowtowing to terrorists. I mean, Stuart Rhodes, the Oath Keepers, you know, Oath Keepers is a terrorist group that brought arms to Washington, D.C. that was instrumental in supporting the insurrection and was prepared to use the weapons that they had stored at a comfort inn a few miles away from the Capitol if they didn't get in peacefully. That's what they were prepared to do. But now we learn that Stuart Rhodes is speaking with the January 6th committee. They've worked out a deal where he's taking the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination on everything during the period before and leading up to the insurrection.

So from about November 3rd through January 6th, they're not asking him questions on that. They want to ask him questions, but he's not going to provide answers per his attorney. So he's just going to plead the Fifth. But he is answering questions that predate the insurrection planning and period, which is interesting. So the foundation of the Oath Keepers, who are the board members, who are their relationships with politically, which I think is very interesting. Now, he's obviously cooperating because he's going to want leniency with respect to any sentencing that he faces or experiences as a

result of his criminal prosecution taking place right now. But I think it's an interesting development that he's at least talking candidly, allegedly, about what took place before the insurrection in terms of what the Oath Keepers are, what their leadership structure is. What would be really interesting to me too is, yeah, I mean, all of that is very fascinating. I'd be curious to know if he knows who that bomber was, who laid the bombs in DNC headquarters there in DC, the one that nobody in the FBI can or has been able to identify. That would be a pretty big bombshell. But he's going to plead the fifth on that.

That was my whole point. So he's not answering any questions related to the insurrection. I wasn't listening to Ben. I'm sorry. Even if he stays in the pod. they stay in the pot. Yeah. But so and Ben, I'll go back for a second and I'll tell you why Republicans hold these extremist views and why they go this route. I mean, it's gerrymandering. It's because they're in these very, for the most part, many of them are in these very safe Republican seats. And they're concerned not about general elections, but they're concerned about primaries. And they know that they have to out-crazy

the other Republican in order to win the primaries to then win the general, which basically the Republican is guaranteed to do once they win the primary. So that's what they're concerned about. And they're also concerned about this gigantic war chest that Trump has amassed with the super PAC. I mean, it's been announced that Trump

has over $120 million in the bank for a super PAC. I mean, it's been announced that Trump has over $120 million in the bank for a super PAC, $120 million. Yet the RNC is paying this guy's legal fees and he's got a PAC with $120 million in the bank and has doing incredibly shady things with the money, including shortly after the January 6th committee began, Trump gave $1 million to a nonprofit in which Mark Meadows is affiliated with, which many are now saying, oh yeah, that's a blatant example of hush money. That's a blatant example of him giving money

because he does not want Mark Meadows to speak. Can't stop criming, as we said with Alison Gill, and he can't stop quid pro quoing. And now the January 6th committee, you know, getting news of this, they say that they are actively looking into this development. It's just another thing to add to the pile. As Alison Gill said, add it to the obstruction pile. Well, one of the things there too

that's interesting about the headline though, he gave 1 million to Mark Meadows, but I think he only gave a total of 1.35 million to other organizations and has either hoarded the rest or just paid expenses. So he hasn't really dished it out yet, but it's just one of the ways he's holding it over people's heads. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

And one of the things about Stuart Rhodes that I think we should mention also, so Stuart Rhodes, who we were just speaking about previously, the Oathkeeper, many of you know his story that he is the guy who shot his own eye out. That's why he wears an eye patch because all these people who say that they are responsible gun owners are the people who are the least responsible gun owners. And Stuart Rhodes is one of those people. And so we have a friend, Tony Michaels. I don't know how many of you guys listen to the Tony Michaels podcast.

But so he, on Friday, if you're listening to this on Friday, on Friday, he's going to drop an interview and we're going to drop the clip from the Midas channels because he has an exclusive interview with Stuart Rhodes is estranged ex-wife and son, where they explained the actual true story as to how Stuart Rhodes shot his eye out. So I'll play you like the little short teaser clip of it right now, but look for that clip tomorrow on the Tony Michaels podcast and on the Midas touch channels. There is a story going around that he shot himself in the eye. I don't know how that is, what it is. Do you guys know the story? And can you tell us the story of how Stuart came to have an eye patch?

This is three stories. There is the event and the facts that happened. There's also the story he told, which is mostly a lie. There's also what I believe actually happened, and it took me 20 years to piece it together. And then there's the second event, which is why he stopped wearing a prosthetic eye. I guess I'll start with him shooting himself in the face. All right. So I look forward to it.

And then just to be clear, because Brad said it a little bit quickly, these are strange family members. That's his wife and son who they no longer speak with him because the guy is a fucking lunatic. I don't want you to get the sense that we're propping up his, you know, his family that they love or whatever. They don't like this guy and they want to speak out against them every step that they can. I'm all for family members talking shit. Well, I'm excited for that interview. I'm excited to exclusively release that interview. More information on the January 6th committee.

The National Archives has informed President Trump that they will be turning over the vice presidential records of Mike Pence. And they previously informed Trump that the presidential records would be turned over. The Supreme Court has already ruled with respect to Trump's records that he doesn't have any immunity to not turn over these records. And so it'll be interesting to see, knowing Trump will probably file a frivolous challenge to this, but there's already a ruling that his own records weren't. So clearly the VP records are going to be turned over. So interested to see what happens there. And then finally, other January 6th news to talk about is that Trump was considering pardoning all of the January 6th terrorists. And the one thing that they had trouble figuring out before it was too late was how they would actually go about writing the pardon,

because would it just be someone who held the Trump sign? Would you then be pardoning these people for everything? How would you then go about describing the events that took place of what you're pardoning for that? If you're claiming that, ultimately Trump decided against it because he thought it would hurt potentially his own interests, because why would you be pardoning them at all if he's claiming that nothing illegal happened? But he was really considering and wanted to do it, but for negatively impacting him. But he basically said, and this is his belief, whether him or some other radical fascist type of GQP leader becomes president in 2024, that they would just pardon the January 6th people.

And Trump said as much in his speech. He's just saying it out loud what he's going to do. He's talking about the obstruction and pardoning these terrorists. And whether it's Trump or whether it's frankly, I think DeSantis would pardon the terrorists. Like, absolutely. Look at, look at what DeSantis is doing in Florida with other policies. Like if it's someone like that, they're going to pardon the terrorists. It actually worked out in Trump's favor that he was able, that he was unable to figure out the language to pardon these January 6th terrorists, because now he gets to run on that platform that if elected, I will pardon the January 6th terrorists and same with the Santas. It gives them a talking point to invoke that 31%. Here's my fascistic,

as we like to say, the Republican Party has become. I mean, we already saw them say signs that they're not going to debate. So, I mean, we'll see. No, I mean, I think it'll just be disgusting. I mean, their positions are just indefensible. They're just absolutely 100% indefensible. And that's why it's so important. And that's why, you know, like I said during our interview with Allison, I understand why people are antsy with Merrick Garland, with prosecutions. That's why it's so important that at the end of all this, that we do see accountability and that we do see justice. We need to see indictments raining down.

And we have to stop worrying about the consequences of those indictments and oh well how will that affect this will it make so-and-so a martyr if he is arrested we need to stop those sorts of defeatist attitudes and we need to keep up the pressure and we need to keep presenting the facts to the american people and show the criminality of the republican party because it is just so brazen it is just so in your face and it is just so criminal that most of the population, and I'm not talking about the rabid MAGA followers, but most of the population will look at this and say, that's fucked up. We'll say that's criminal. And I don't want these

criminals running our country. I mean, that's it. But I mean, I know you said finally, Ben, like we're going to wrap up the show, but it seems like these people keep getting rewarded in dumb fucking ways. And I would be remiss if I did not mention the news that, uh, posted last night that most people assumed was an article from the onion, um, but was actually real life somehow that Rudy Giuliani on an episode of the mask singer was unmasked as one of the mask singers. And this came out and report from deadline uh on wednesday night and basically they say this episode is planning to air this spring and ken jong and robin thick got up and walked out stormed off the set good for them after it was revealed to be rudy giuliani he tried to sean spicer giuliani remember spicer did dancing with the stars after his you know

failed whatever the fuck that was as press secretary? They tried to give the same treatment to Rudy Giuliani. The difference is, well, there's not much of a difference between them both, but Giuliani was there while the ship was sinking and wanted to sink with the ship. Listen, whatever producer okayed that, whatever executives okayed that, I mean, they should be just shunned from society. I mean, I'm tired of people being like, oh, it's funny. It's Rudy. He had duty coming out of his face.

And like, oh, he's just like America's mayor, silly guy. No, this is a guy who has evolved in a seditious conspiracy to overthrow the government of the United States of America. For all intents and purposes, this guy is at minimum working with domestic terrorists and at worst himself has become a domestic terrorist. And I think it's disgusting that anybody would give somebody like this a platform to have a joke thing. What fucking song was he singing on The Masked Singer? He's not a singer. It's not funny. It's not entertaining. And they should not air

the show. And the sick thing is they're right now, unless we all make a lot of noise about this, they will air this episode in April and they will get probably a ton of viewers off it. They'll probably get a lot of people watching to see this train wreck because in America in 2022, it doesn't matter what you do as long as you're delivering people content and as long as you're delivering eyeballs and clicks. And I think it's just a shameful indictment of our society. It's why we need to focus on other content out there. It's why we have our Midas Media Network delivering the type of content we do. And I like to hear lots of podcasts that are really delivering intellectual podcasts. And we've talked about this on some prior podcasts, but I'd be remiss if I didn't mention it here. I've really been enjoying the podcast, The Lost Debate, because whenever you look at news, you may feel forced to choose between

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