The MeidasTouch Podcast - Trump AG Implodes Under Cross-Exam at Senate Hearing

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on the meltdown by Attorney General Pam Bondi under cross-examination at a Senate Hearing on Tuesday. Home Chef: Home Chef is offering 18 FREE Meals PLUS Free Dessert for Life and FREE Shipping on your first box! Go to https://HomeChef.com/MEIDAS Visit https://meidasplus.com for more! Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A complete meltdown by Attorney General Pam Bondi during an explosive Senate hearing this morning. Let me bring you the receipts. Senator White House asked Attorney General Bondi if she had seen the photographs that have been widely discussed that may or may not exist of Donald Trump with Jeffrey Epstein, which Michael Wolfe said were kept in Epstein's safe, potentially, that would show Donald Trump with naked girls. indeterminate age and with Donald Trump potentially having a stain on his pants as the girls are laughing at him. Watch Pam Bondi refuse to deny it and look at Pam Bondi's face during the question. It reveals a lot. Play this clip. Let me ask you something else. There's been public

reporting that Jeffrey Epstein showed people photos of President Trump with half-naked young women. Do you know if the FBI found those photographs in their search of Jeffrey Epstein's safe or premises or otherwise? Have you seen any such thing? You know, Senator White House, you sit here and make salacious remarks once again trying to slander President Trump, left and right. When you're the one who was taking money from one of Epstein's closest confidence, I believe, I could be wrong, correct me, Heid Hoffman, who was with Jeffrey Epstein on multiple occasions, and the senator sitting right next to you tried to block the flight logs from being released. Yet you're grilling me on President Trump and some photograph with Epstein?

Come on. The question is, did the FBI find those photographs that have been discussed publicly by a witness who claimed Jeffrey Epstein showed them? him. You don't know anything about that. Okay. And Bondi is asked by Senator White House about the $50,000 in cash that is alleged to have been taken by Tom Homan the Borders are. Where is the cash? Did he take the $50,000? Whatever happened to it? Did the FBI give it to him? Did he return it? She received. refuses to answer. Again, watch her body language and her face. As you can see, she goes into her

lie mode. Here, play this clip. Senator, as Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche recently stated, the investigation of Mr. Holman was subjected to a full review by the FBI. Agents and DOJ prosecutors. They found no credible evidence of any wrongdoing. That was not my question. My question was, what became of the $50,000 in cash that the FBI delivered, evidently in a paper bag, to Mr. Homan? Senator, I'd look at your facts. Are you saying that they did not deliver $50,000 in cash to Mr. Homan? As recently stated, the investigation of Mr. Homan was subjected to a full review by the FBI agents. By Department of Justice prosecutors, they found no evidence of wrongdoing.

That's a different question. What became of the $50,000? Did the FBI get it back? Mr. White House, excuse me, Senator White House, you're welcome to talk to the FBI. The report to you, can't you answer this question? Senator White House, you're welcome to discuss this with Director Patel. Did Homan keep the $50,000? As Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche recently stated, the investigation of Mr. Holbe I can see I'm not going to get a straight answer from you to a very simple question. By the FBI agents and the DOJ.

They found no credible evidence of wrongdoing. You know, you're very concerned about money and people taking money and you rail against dark money. Yet you work with dark money groups all the time, Senator White House. Next up, you have Senator Durbin asking Pambondi questions about the Epstein files. Who gave the order to flag Donald Trump's name in the Epstein files to redact and remove his name? Who flagged that? And you'll see Pambandi say, I'm not discussing anything with you about that. The cover up continues.

Here, play this clip. The quarrel with you is to read somebody that you mentioned I never heard of. Reed Hoffman. So who gave the order to flag records related to President Trump? To flag records for President Trump? To flag any records, which included his name. I'm not going to discuss anything about that with you, Senator. Eventually, you're going to have to answer for your conduct in this.

You won't do it today, but eventually you will. I yield Mr. Chairman. Then Senator Blumenthal asks Pam Bondi questions. What happened the night before the indictment of James Comey, the former FBI director? There's a photo that you all posted on social media sitting around the White House in the Rose Garden area, which Donald Trump destroyed and turned into a private club for Republicans called Club Rose Garden. So was Comey discussed at that dinner at that table with you and Donald Trump? Watch what she says.

Here, play this clip. The night before James Comey's indictment, you had dinner with President of the United States, pretty intimate group. Actually, there were a lot of people there that night. That's a great picture. Was James Comey discussed at that dinner? I love that picture. That's a great picture. And there were a lot of people there that night.

I think the entire cabinet was there. Did you discuss James Comey with the President of the United States? He was sitting just to your left. Well, two seats down. Yes. Two seats down. And I am not going to do it. discuss any conversations I've had or not have with the President of the United States.

Because the American public is entitled to know Madam Attorney General. The entire cabinet was at that generous. Whether you took instructions from President Trump after he told you very directly to indict James Comey, which is weaponization of the Department of Justice. So she's just saying, I will not tell you anything, despite Donald Trump publicly posting messages. Pam, go after my political opponents. She goes, I'm not discussing anything. Oh, the most transparent presidency ever, huh?

No, the most criminal presidency ever and the biggest bunch of gangster liars ever. Then Senator Durbin says, well, you made a public claim that the Epstein list was sitting on your desk for review. Can you explain that? And she's like, if you listen to my full statement, I actually said I hadn't reviewed it yet. it doesn't exist. Here play this clip. In February, you made a public claim that the Epstein client list was, quote, sitting on my desk right now for review. End of quote. You then produce already public information and no client list at a major media event hosted at the White House. Attorney General Bondi, why did you publicly claim to have the Epstein client list

waiting for your review and then produce nothing relevant to that claim? Senator Durbin, if you listen to my entire clip on that. I said I had not reviewed it yet, that it was sitting on my desk along with the JFK files, the Martin Luther King files. And I said I had not yet reviewed it. And if you see our memo on Epstein, you will see, excuse me, our memo on Epstein clearly points out that there was no client list, our July 6th memo. Then you have Senator Horono asked Pam Bondi, who approved closing the Holman investigation, the bribery investigation. Did you approve it? To which Pam Bondi's like, are you a member of Antifa? Are you a member of Antifa? Because you hang out around Antifa.

You see what they're doing? I don't discuss anything. And then just accuse senators of being Antifa. These are the tools of authoritarian fascists. And you're watching them here. Here, play this clip. Two weeks ago, the DOJ officials reportedly shut down the bribery investigation into Mr. Holman. Ms. Bondi, did you approve closing the Holman investigation, bribery investigation? Just get rid of that. Senator Heron, as I stated earlier, the Department of Justice and the FBI, conducted a thorough review, and they found no credible evidence of any wrongdoing. You were also on video outside the White House protesting with a group called CASA where Antifa

members were. Does that mean you're a member of Antifa? You know, I simply asked the question as to whether or not you approve the shutting down of the investigation of Mr. Holman. I have to assume that you did because the FBI reports to you, but the American people would look at the situation where this person is taking a $50,000 in cash, no less, and you testified today that a thorough investigation was done. Now, I have to assume I conclude that since no wrongdoing was determined that in answer to Senator White House's question, he kept the money. He kept the money, and I hope that he put that on his.

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Like, it's so obvious they're liars and they're covering up crimes, right? Then Pam Bondi, speaking to Senator Blumenthal, this is one of the ways they try to handle questions, is they just attack the person asking the questions because they're babies, no offense to babies. This is how, like, petulant children behave. Nanny, nanny, nah, I'm going after. No, just answer the question. Be a grown-up. You're an attorney general, act like one. Here, play this clip.

That took place. Which merger you've listed, many? lobbying American Express GBT, I understand that Brian Ballard, long-time backer, and head of the law firm where you work, was instrumental in lobbying the Justice Department to drop that lawsuit. It was dismissed. So it's not subject to a court review. What conversation did you have with Mr. Ballard? Senator Blumenthal, I cannot believe that you would accuse me of impropriety when you lied about your military service. I am not asking you, you lied to be elected to a U.S. senator. You lie.

How dare you. I'm a career prosecutor. Don't you ever challenge my integrity. I have abided by every ethics standard. Do not question my ability to be fair. and impartial as attorney general. And anything with my former firm, Valord partners. Next, you have Senator Coons asking a very important question.

How did you conclude that these strikes on the boats, Venezuelan boats, are legal? What was your conclusion? Work us through the mindset at the DOJ that would authorize just killing people, instead of interdicting, just killing people, and then not providing the American people with information about what the hell is going on. And then she goes, I will not discuss anything with you.

I mean, that's your job. But when you have the Republican Party senators and House of Representatives members who control both chambers who don't want to conduct oversight, this is what you get. This is what you get. Watch Pam Bondi's response play this clip. The government's asserting the authority to summarily kill people. It says are cartel members through military strikes against boats on the open ocean

the Caribbean. Congress has never authorized such a use of military force, and it's unclear to me how the administration has concluded that these strikes are legal. I'm concerned with what the limiting principle is, whether the government could summarily kill people. It just declares our cartel members, as well as unlawful combatants inside the United States, or if they were American citizens. This isn't about defending cartels. These aren't hypothetical questions. President Trump assembled military leaders and said they would be needed to fight the enemy from within and to train in cities in the United States that he describes as chaotic and violent. Due process is the cornerstone of our Constitution. I'm deeply concerned about the authority

our president seems to be asserting to summarily kill people suspected of criminal activity outside the law. As the chief lawyer for our federal government, you have a unique responsibility to ensure maintenance of our constitutional standards. How did you, you conclude that these strikes on ships or boats in the open ocean are legal? Senator Coons, I'm not going to discuss any legal advice that my department may or may not have given or issued at the direction of the president on this matter. Regarding Venezuela, what I can tell you is Maduro, is a narco terrorist. Then Senator Durbin from Illinois says, were you consulted by the White House?

before they deployed the National Guard troops to cities in the U.S.? Here, play this clip. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. Madam Attorney General, let me ask you this question. Were you consulted by the White House before they deployed National Guard troops to cities in the United States? I am not going to discuss any internal conversations with the White House. You won't even say whether you talk to the White House about this? I am not going to discuss any internal conversations with the White House with you, Ranking Member.

I notice that. What's the secret? Why do you want to keep this secret to American people don't know the rationale behind the deployment of National Guard troops in my state? The word is, and I think it's been confirmed by the White House, they are going to transfer Texas National Guard units to the state of Illinois. What's the rationale for that? Yeah, Chairman, as you shut down the government, you voted to shut down the government,

and you're sitting here, our law enforcement officers aren't being paid, they're out there working to protect you. I wish you love Chicago as much as you hate President Trump. And currently, the National Guard are on the way to Chicago. If you're not going to protect your citizens, President Trump will. I've been on this committee for more than 20 years. That's the kind of testimony you expect from this administration. A simple question as to whether or not they had a legal rationale

for deploying National Guard troops becomes grounds for personal attack. I think it's a legitimate question. It's my responsibility. She refuses to answer as to whether she had any conversation with the White House about deploying national troops to my state. That's an indication. I'm afraid where we are politically in this place. So you may be wondering, Ben, you showed me clips of the questions that Democrats were asking. We saw Pambandi, deflecting, distracting, denying, ignoring. So what were the Republicans talking about? Can you show us, What was Ted Cruz talking about at this hearing? Surely something important. Nope. Ted Cruz and MAGA Republican Senator Kennedy, these both MAGA Republicans talking, were joking about Ted Cruz having backstreet boys' tattoos on his lower back.

And that this is a funny way to appeal to young men. This is what these weirdos are talking about. It's weird, deranged. they're enjoying the shutdown do you see what i they're enjoying your suffering that's what i see taking place here anyway play this clip and i'll point out senator kennedy has a new book about testing negative for stupid so i hope i test negative for stupid i hope i meet the the threshold you do meet it and i talk in the book about the tattoo of the back street boys on your back look i can't help that you don't want to reach young people i think young people i think young

people of the future, damn it, and I'll do whatever steps are needed. Backstreet boys. That would be on Vice President Vance's playlist, I heard, that got hacked. And then here you have Pam Bondi saying to Senator Durbin of Illinois. Like, why are you grilling me? The National Guard from Texas is already deploying to invade Chicago. Why are you grilling me? He's like, that's my job.

This is literally called oversight. That's what I do. Here, play this clip. And I will work with you, but you have not done that. Did you take a look? The National Guard is on the way right now as we speak. Oh, by the way, so is Director Patel and Deputy Attorney General, Todd Blanche. You're sitting here grilling me and they're on their way to Chicago to keep your state safe.

Madam Attorney General is my job to grill you. The investigation of your agency is part of my responsibility. this committee. You may not like the experience, but others have weathered the storm and answered questions in a respectful manner. Can you tell me the grants? Ranking member, please? Take a look at the president's budget on Hyda Grants. What happens to it in his proposed budget? I'd be glad to meet with you on the grant. It's cut by one third. Okay, sorry, Chuck Grassley. I'll show you what another Maga Republican senator was talking about because you may be, give me other perspectives, Ben. Don't just show me what the Democrats are saying, independent. Okay, I'll show you the chair

of the judiciary in the Senate. Chuck Grassley. It's like 91 years old, this guy. But he's the head of this committee. So what do you think his issues are with Pam Bondi? Is it Epstein cover up? Is it killing people off the coast of Venezuela? Is it Tom Homan taking $50,000 in cash?

Is it 90,000 square foot golden ballrooms? That wreak of corruption? What does he care about? Oh, surely. Surely it's Bill Clinton, post-presidency speeches, getting $250,000 a speech and that that's corruption? Are you looking into Bill Clinton speeches? Bam Bondi?

Here to play this clip. 16, they didn't care anything about my bringing up the amalgamy cause in regard. I wrote to the Obama Justice Department. That letter was based on Secretary Clinton's 2009 to 2000. 2013 financial disclosures when she was Secretary of State. Those disclosures showed that her husband participated in at least 62 events with foreign states. Some of those were speaking events with connections to foreign governments, and some speaking events were financially supported by foreign governments.

Two examples, Bill Clinton received hundreds of thousands of dollars for her appearance sponsored by Middle Eastern governments. Bill Clinton also received $200,000 for a speech connected to the Chinese government. And I don't recall getting any help from my Democrat colleagues on that investigation, Senator Graham. Good morning. Good morning. Thank you. So freaking odd.

Back to Senator Horono asking Pam Bono. Bondi, some questions here. So are the same lobbyists that you used to work for, Bondi? Are they the people who have been lobbying on behalf of these groups to get cases and investigations dismissed to which Bondi says, are you Antifa? Are you Antifa? Here, play this clip. There's a settlement on that.

And separately, DOJ sued Ticketmaster last year for monopolizing concert tickets and forcing consumers to pay outrageous fees. Ticketmaster has hired the exact same lobbyists who met with senior DOJ political people regarding the merger of the two tech companies. So my question is, Ms. Fondi, have lobbyists met with your political deputies about the Ticket Master case?

Senator Hirono, as I stated earlier, I am not going to discuss anything that is ongoing. Gail Slater runs the antitrust office and Gail Slater if I can finish Gail Slater is doing an incredible job running my

antitrust unit. It's highly likely Ms. Bondi, the same lobbyists who met with your people basically got rid of the antitrust case. Senator, I don't think a lot of people like that you were out protesting with Antifa. Next question.

And let's just conclude once more by showing you that a shorter version of that clip at the outset when White House asked her, Senator White House asked her, where are those photographs of Donald Trump with the little girls? Do those exist? Because witnesses said they exist. Do they exist? Do they not exist? What's going on, Bondi? Here, play this clip. Did the FBI find those photographs that have been discussed publicly? by a witness who claimed Jeffrey Epstein showed them to him. You don't know anything about that. Okay.

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