The MeidasTouch Podcast - Trump Rushes to Stop Past from Surfacing after Law Signed

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on the latest scheme by Trump to try and avoid the release of files regarding his dark past and Meiselas exposes the latest scheme where Trump is having his DOJ attempt to set up federal judges for the blame. Dose: Save 35% on your first month of subscription by going to https://dosedaily.co/MEIDAS or entering MEIDAS at checkout. Visit https://meidasplus.com for more! Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We'd love to talk, business. We are now seeing what Donald Trump's plan is to cover up the Epstein files, to cover up his dark past, notwithstanding the law that requires the Epstein files to be released in 30 days. So we're seeing two things develop right now, and I'm sure we'll see more. But I want to cue you in on what Trump and his DOJ are doing to try to avoid producing these Epstein files and avoid information coming out. So the first thing, Trump is coordinating with Gilane Maxwell and Gilane Maxwell's lawyer so that Gilane will invoke her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination and no longer testified before Congress.

She previously delayed her deposition that was supposed to take place in August, saying she was appealing to the Supreme Court. She lost that appeal. Now she's still going to say she wants to invoke her Fifth Amendment right because she's going to assert what's called a habeas corpus petition that she found new information that she needs to assert to get a new trial. The new information she's going to assert is that Donald Trump and others in the regime said this is all one big hoax, which she's now going to use to try to invoke the fifth and reopen her case. So that's one thing that's happening. And also the MAGA

Republicans in the House of Representatives are complicit in that because they're saying, why would we even take Elaine Maxwell's deposition of the minimum security facility in Texas if she's going to invoke her Fifth Amendment right? It'd be a waste of taxpayer dollars to even talk to her and get her on video while she invokes the fifth. Nope, we need to get her on video and see her invoke the fifth if that's what she's going to do because she spoke to Donald Trump's former personal lawyer, turn number two at the DOJ, the deputy attorney general Todd Blanche, and she lied through her teeth every step of the way. What else would we expect with a convicted child sex trafficker and lifelong liar and Gielang Maxwell

and Donald Trump's former best bud who's angling for a pardon? So that's number one. I've talked about that before. But here's what else is taking shape right now. now. So on Friday, and this didn't really get picked up anywhere in any meaningful way, or no one really made the right connections. The Department of Justice filed a renewed expedited motion to unseal grand jury transcripts relating to Geelaine Maxwell and Epstein. So they filed first in the federal court in the Southern District of Florida. They will soon be filing, most likely, in the federal

courts in New York. Previously, when the DOJ sought the grand jury transcripts related, to Epstein and Geelaine, all three courts because there were grand jury proceedings in Florida and two in New York, all three judges denied turning over the grand jury transcripts because it's against the law under federal rule six, which is the rule regarding grand jury secrecy to turn over this testimony. And all of the judges in their orders, which I'll go over for you in a moment, they all said, we're not sure why you as the DOJ are asking us for the grand jury transcripts. Number one, federal courts are not allowed to turn that over. You should know that DOJ. But number two, these grand jury transcripts just related to a single FBI agent who testified for a very short

period of time who did not have any real meaningful like involvement in the case. And this was mostly things that were already public knowledge based on what happened in the trial. This isn't the files. And what the federal judges said is that you have the terabytes and terabytes of information, turn over those files. Why are you asking the federal judge to turn over grand jury transcripts which involved grand jury secrecy issues when it's not even new material?

So why would we turn this over anyway? You have all of the information so the federal courts all rejected this idea of turning over the grand jury transcripts because it's against grand jury secrecy. So now what the DOJ is doing and this is part of their delay tactics, they now went back to the federal courts

and they said, we've got this law. It's called the Epstein Transparency Act. Trump cited into law. Now can you please turn over the grand jury transcripts? The Epstein Transparency Act has nothing to do with the grand jury transcripts, but what the DOJ is going to want to do, it's the slight of hand. They're hoping that you don't know the way the law works. So they're going to say, well, look, we asked the federal judges to release the grand jury transcripts yet again, and we were denied. So we're fighting for our ability to get it released and the courts aren't releasing it and of course we know these aren't the Epstein files right i mean they want us to believe that the court has the Epstein file the grand jury

transcript is going to be like what 50 pages 60 pages of an FBI agent testifying to hearsay that just involves the charges against Eileen and Jeffrey Epstein that everybody knows publicly because they were charged publicly so i think it's important to point out that that's one of the plans that the DOJ has and then I think when the federal judges deny it and say they don't have the legal power to turn it over, then the DOJ is going to maybe try to appeal that, maybe go to the Supreme Court. Hopefully this causes in their view, not hopefully for us, but what the DOJ is planning, maybe they can stretch this out for a few months, a year and then delay, delay, delay. And ultimately, if they're denied, they're going to say, see, that becomes precedent for why we can't

turn over the Epstein files because the federal judges said they can turn over the grand jury transcripts. So if we have to interpret the law, the Epstein Transparency Act, the federal courts are telling us that they can't turn over the transcripts so we can't turn over the files. That makes zero sense though. And they're relying on people not knowing the way the law works because they're going to try to throw these judges under the bus. You see what I'm saying? So what we have to realize is no, the grand jury transcripts are not the files. They're not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction. It's just some FBI agent who testified against Geelyne and Jeffrey Epstein, but had no clue

and did not testify about all the other men, the financial transactions. That had nothing to do with the grand jury, which is going to be, what, an hour or so in length. So let me just go through these filings so you actually can hear what's going on because I want to cue you into the plan so we get ahead of what the Trump. fascist DOJ regime is doing right here. Okay, take a look right here. This is what was just filed. You see, it was filed November 21, 2025.

United States District Court, Southern District of Florida, United States expedited motion to unseal grand jury transcripts and modify protective order. It's like, why are you doing that? The DOJ, you have the terabytes of Epstein files. And you all realize when I say terabytes, that means the DOJ has enough files that if you were to print, print them all out, right, they're electronically stored, they could fill up massive skyscrapers,

like many massive skyscrapers, and they have audio, and they have video, and they have surveillance footage, and they have wiretaps in addition to the emails, right? Think about the Epstein email estate, the Epstein estate email dump that was done like last week or two weeks ago, right? 23,000 emails, 23,000 emails compared to terabytes would be like a very, very small amount. Like, it's not even close. So we want the information and the DOJ is trying to say, no, no, no, we want the grand jury transcripts. We don't care about the grand jury.

Why we don't want those? Give us the Epstein files in your custody and control. So here's what the DOJ says. At the direction of the Attorney General, the Department of Justice files his expedited motion, asking the court to unseal the grand jury transcripts and to modify any protective order associated with the grand jury investigation reference above. The Department of Justice previously petitioned the court to unseal the grand jury transcripts, associated with the above-referenced grand jury investigations because of extensive public

interests regarding the basis for conclusions and a July 6, 2025 memorandum. The court denied the petition, concluding that neither federal rule of criminal procedure 6E nor precedent authorized unsealing the grand jury materials. After the court entered its order, Congress nearly unanimously passed, and the president signed into law the Epstein-Files Transparency Act on November 9. 19, 2025. Subject to certain enumerated exceptions, the act requires the Attorney General no later than 30 days after enactment to make publicly available all unclassified records, documents, communications, and investigative materials in the possession of the Department of Justice,

including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the United States Attorney's Office that relates to nine topics such as Jeffrey Epstein and Gilane Maxwell. Okay, so what does that have to do with the court's grand jury transcripts. You need to produce Pambondi what's in your custody and control. But do you see how they're trying to now shift the burden to the court and basically say, this is the court's fault?

Then they go on and say, in light of the act's clear mandate, the court should authorize the Department of Justice to release the grand jury transcripts and lift any pre-existing protective orders that would otherwise prevent disclosure. To the extent permitted by the act, the Department of Justice will work with the relevant

United States Attorney's Office to make appropriate redactions a victim related and other personal identifying information because of the Act's 30-day deadline, the Department of Justice requested expedited ruling on this motion. And the court's likely going to look at them and say, what are you talking about? This is not what the Act says. The Act says turn over the files and your custody and control. Why are you going to the court? If you have the files, turn the files over. Let me just show you and explain to you what the courts have said before. Because as I've said, previously, three federal courts rejected previously over the summer when the Trump regime tried to do this. So let's take a look right now at what

Judge Richard Berman, he's a federal judge in New York, who was presented with the same issue by the DOJ. And here's what he said. He says, the government is seeking this disclosure. It's unusual for the government to seek to unseal grand jury material. A significant and compelling reason to reject the government's position in this litigation is that the government has already undertaken a comprehensive investigation into the Epstein case and not surprisingly has assembled a trove of Epstein documents, interviews, and exhibits. And the government committed that it would share the Epstein investigation materials with the public. And then it goes on in cites with the Attorney General had previously said. The government's 100,000 pages of Epstein files and

materials dwarf the 70-odd pages of Epstein grand jury materials. The government's Epstein files are, says, sweet generous. They are investigatory and not subject to the federal rule of criminal procedures 6E. The government is the logical party to make comprehensive disclosure to the public of the Epstein files. By comparison, the instant grand jury motion appears to be a diversion from the breadth and scope of the Epstein files in the government's possession. The grand jury's testimony is merely a hearsay snippet of Jeffrey Epstein's alleged conduct. That's why here on the Midas Touch Network, I read from the court opinions so you can hear what the federal judges are saying, that this is a diversion, and the grand jury testimony is a

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On July 6, 2025, the government announced it would not make the files available to the public. So you have that one. And then you have this ruling by Judge Paul Engelmeyer. And Judge Paul Engelmeier, he also denied the release of the grand jury transcripts and says the following. The government's invocation of special circumstances to release these fails the threshold, fails at a threshold level. Its entire premise that the Maxwell Grand Jury Materials would bring to light meaningful new information about Epstein and Maxwell's crimes or the government's investigation to them is demonstrably false. The court, after receiving the government's motion to unsealed, ordered it to provide materials to substantiate its claims that the Maxwell Grand Jury materials contained undisclosed information of a significant historical or public interest. Specifically, the court ordered the government to submit the grand jury transcripts and

exhibits for an in-camera review, meaning just the court would review it because it's otherwise secret, with the positions the government proposed to redact highlighted, and it ordered the government to file a submission identifying the portions of the transcripts and exhibits, if any, that are not today matters of public record, including based on Maxwell's month-long jury trial on the charges returned by the grand jury. The government's submission in response to the court's orders were telling. They belied the government's claim in its motion to unseal that the Maxwell grand jury materials

contain significant undisclosed information about Epstein's and Maxwell's crimes or the investigation into them. Two features of these materials, which were not disclosed in the government's motion, are noteworthy. The court reports these here at a level of generality that does not disclose the substance of grand jury proceedings.

First, the grand juries in this case, were not used for investigative purposes. They did not hear testimony from any firsthand witness to any events at issue. They did not hear testimony from any victim, any eyewitness, any suspect, or even records of any custodian. The grand juries met instead

for a very limited purpose of returning an indictment, and that was it. Each grand jury received evidence on a single day. On that day, it heard testimony from one person, a law enforcement agent who, acting as a summary witness, testified to information obtained in the government's investigation to support the charges in the proposed indictment. The agent responding to tightly structured questions from the Assistant United States Attorney provided highly abbreviated hearsay accounts of the statements of select witnesses. The agent led the jury through a PowerPoint of exhibits. At the end of the testimony, the agent testified that he or she had not.

not disclosed all that he or she knew, but had only responded to the AUSA's questions. Afterwards, each grand juror voted to return the proposed indictment. Second, the evidence put before the Maxwell grand juries is today, with only very minor exception, a matter of public record. The government admitted as much in response to the court's order. It goes on to say, and because the government's proposes to redact the witness identities, the exception it noted does not reflect information. that the public would learn

were the grand jury transcripts unsealed. The court's review confirmed that unsealing the grand jury materials would not reveal new information of any consequence. Can I repeat that? The court's review confirmed that unsealing the grand jury materials

would not reveal new information of any consequence. In response to the court's order, the government supplied the court with a binder, highlighting any information the government had been unable to determine is public, only scattered words, clauses, and occasional sentences are highlighted. These items are far and few between.

In other words, the court caught the government lying by claiming that there was new information here. It was short. It barely had anything new at all. And it was things that we all knew from the Galane Maxwell trial itself and from the allegations against Gilane and Jeffrey Epstein. So there was nothing new there. What does Pam Bondi want to hide?

Notable, Pam Bondi refusing to answer this question from Senator White House in the hearing. And I'll tell you what Pam Bondi's going to do when she's called to testify again before the Senate and the House. I can't answer that. There's an ongoing investigation because she's going to say Trump ordered an investigation into Democrats out of the Southern District of New York from the U.S. attorney there by the name of Jay Clayton. Clayton was never a federal prosecutor before. He's now the main federal prosecutor of the Southern District of New York. Sound familiar. Trump brings people with no prosecutorial experience who've never been federal prosecutors to lead these offices.

And now Pam Bondi is going to say, oh, well, there's an ongoing investigation. I can't comment on anything. And they're going to not release the Epstein files on that basis. Here's what White House asked her, play this clip. Let me ask you something else. There's been public reporting that Jeffrey Epstein showed people photos of President Trump. with half-naked young women. Do you know if the FBI found those photographs in their search of Jeffrey Epstein's safe or

premises or otherwise? Have you seen any such thing? You know, Senator White House, you sit here and make salacious remarks once again trying to slander President Trump left and right when you're the one who was taking money from one of Epstein's closest confidence, I believe, I could be wrong, correct me, Reid Hoffman, who was with Jeffrey Epstein on multiple occasions,

and the senator sitting right next to you tried to block the flight logs from being released. Yet you're grilling me on President Trump and some photograph with Epstein? Come on. The question is, did the FBI find those photographs that have been discussed publicly?

by a witness who claimed Jeffrey Epstein showed them to him. You don't know anything about that. Okay? By the way, here's what Senator Slotkin said with Trump trying to create all of these distractions this past weekend

by saying he was going to kill or he wanted to hang to death Democratic lawmakers who said that our military should not follow unlawful orders. Play this clip. One of the things that he's been doing by repeating it and talking about it is trying to distract us from the big stories of last

week, which were the Epstein files, and then the economy. And I took note yesterday at 9 o'clock at night. He's tweeting that there's no inflation. The economy's the best it's ever been. It was kind of amazing, considering that the American public isn't stupid. It actually reminded me of Joe Biden, right? Joe Biden tried to tell us for a year that the economy was great. Now this president, who ran on lowering costs for Americans. But you changed the subject. with that video as well. Sure. Now, here is what Bondi said before last week wrapped up.

During a press conference, she said a number of notable things. When she was asked about what we're learning out of SD&Y, the federal court office there, the federal courthouse there, she said, I can't answer that ongoing investigation. Exactly what I told you she's going to continue to say to avoid releasing the files. And then you'll see right here, she keeps on saying, will release what we're required to under the law, under the law, under the law.

And what she's going to try to do is use the federal court saying that they can turn over the grand jury transcripts as her own precedent, even though she's conflating things to say, the court said we can't turn it over. So we, the prosecutors, can turn it over because there's ongoing investigations, there's national security issues, the information is classified, because we didn't need a law for these files to be turned over, okay? Trump has the absolute authority to turn it over without the Epstein Transparency Act. So even with this law being signed, it doesn't really change the fact that Trump had the ability to turn it over before.

But I want you to see the slide of hands that they're doing. Here's what Bondi says, let's play it. New investigation by the Southern District of New York, U.S. attorney prevent the department from releasing all of the remaining files. So we have released 33,000, over 33,000 Epstein documents to, the Hill and will continue to follow the law and to have maximum transparency. Also, we will always encourage all victims to come forward. What are the next steps, Madam Attorney General, for the DOJ regarding the, what we assume President Trump will sign into law with the Epstein files. Is this going to be on the Justice Department website? What are you doing here over the next 30

days as we understand it. We will continue to follow the law with maximum transparency while protecting victims. When you say follow the law, Madam Attorney General, do you mean that you will provide all the files by 30 days? We will follow the law. The law passed both chambers last evening. It has not yet been signed, but we will continue to follow the law again while protecting victims, but also providing maximum transparency. Madam Attorney General, the DOJ statement earlier this year saying that the files would not release mentioned the fact that the review of the documents and the evidence did not suggest that any additional investigation of third parties was warranted.

What changed since then that you launched this investigation? information that has come for information there's information that new information additional information and again we will continue to follow the law to investigate any leads if there are any victims we encourage all victims to come forward and we will continue to provide maximum transparency under the law wedding madam madam attorney the issue with the issue with with the new information that you just indicated. Is the department seeking information, perhaps, from the Epstein estate, because Mr. Blanche did not have that information when he interviewed Galane Maxwell, what new information?

And would you limit the new investigation to just those named persons that the president talked about, or is this a broad, open-ended investigation? I would refer to the Deputy Attorney General's post that he put out on X, and we will, we're not going to say anything else on that because now it is a pending investigation in the Southern District of New York. Well, now you fully understand the dynamic here, right? So we're not going to get confused. We're not going to be tricked. That's why we do the Midas Touch Network this way. So we all know what their games are, right? We're all prepared. We're all armed with the knowledge. And they don't talk about this stuff on corporate news. So we're preparing you for that.

So tell others what's going on so that they know when they, when the regime, tries to implement these plans because they and the Republicans are covering up for the child sex trafficking ring. That's what they are. The PPP. They're the Petto Protection Program. And it's sick and disgusting. But yes, the Donald Trump regime and the MAGA Republicans, their main focus is covering up child sex trafficking ring at the largest scale imaginable. We'll keep you posted every step of the way. But hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million. And thanks so much for watching. Hey, Midas, Mighty. It's Ben Breton, Jordy, and we just want to thank you. for being the backbone of this movement.

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