The MeidasTouch Podcast - Trump Throws DOJ Lawyers Under Bus for Contempt

Episode Date: April 27, 2025

MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump throwing his DOJ lawyers under the bus and blaming them for the Abrego Garcia fiasco. Helix: Go to https://Helixsleep.com/meidas and get 25% Off Sitewide! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia. So Trump was asked about Abrego Garcia in this recent Time Magazine interview, and the Time Magazine interviewer said, are you aware that you're defying the court order? It was a 9-0 decision saying facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia. The Time Magazine reporter then read from the Supreme Court's order and from the lower court's order. And then Donald Trump's response was, I leave that to my lawyers. I give them no instruction. And then he says that his lawyers actually told him something very different about what the ruling said. He said that my lawyers did not say that that's

what the ruling said, and I rely on what my lawyers ultimately tell me to do. Here's just the questioning. You committed to complying with all Supreme Court orders. Yeah. When you and I last spoke in April, are you still committed to complying with the Supreme Court order? Sure. I believe in the court system. The Supreme Court ruled nine to zero that you have to bring Abrego Garcia back. You haven't done so. So aren't you disobeying the Supreme Court? Well, that's not what my people told me, referring to his lawyers. They didn't say it was. They said it was. They said it was nine to nothing or something entirely different. So then the reporter goes, okay, I'll quote from the ruling, quote, the order properly requires the government to facilitate

Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador. Are you facilitating the release? What are you doing? And then Trump says, I leave that to my lawyers. I give them no instructions. They feel that the orders said something very much different from what they are saying, but I leave that to my lawyers.

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he's basically like, well, I would do it. They're just not telling me that. Now, we know that's not the case, right? I mean, we know intuitively that Donald Trump has told them what he wants them to do, and they're following Trump's guidance. But he's throwing them out there right now to basically have their own bar licenses on the hook. Donald Trump then is asked by this Time Magazine reporter, so have you asked Bukele to return Abrego Garcia? And then Trump goes, I haven't, but he said he wouldn't. But question, did you ask him? I haven't asked him positively, but he said he wouldn't.

But if you haven't asked him, then how are you facilitating his release? Watch Trump's response. Well, because I haven't been asked by my attorneys to do that. Nobody asked me to ask him that question except you. So Trump is saying that the first time he's ever heard that he was required to facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia was from this Time Magazine reporter and not from the DOJ. Trump claims they told him nothing. You better believe that the lawyers for Abrego Garcia, who are sharp and smart lawyers, that they are going to tell the judge that. By the way, there's something going on behind the scenes in the Abrego case that I'm sure we'll find out soon because there's been a delay in the government's requirement to respond to discovery. So I think behind the scenes, it's hard for me to know because a lot of things are happening,

what's called under seal, meaning it's happening confidentially to the public. I think there's some activity regarding Abrego that's not being reported right now that's in the under seal filing because it's the only reason why federal judge Zinnis in Maryland would allow the Trump regime to have some delay in their turning over discovery. Then the reporter says, do you believe that Abrego Garcia deserves his day in court? And then Donald Trump does like some ranting and raving about a bunch of nonsense. And then the Time reporter that goes, but look, Nazis got their day in court. Al Qaeda terrorists got their day in court. Surely, Abrego Garcia, who your first administration gave a work permit to in 2019, who has no

criminal history, who's been checking in with ICE regularly every year to restore his work permit every year or to renew his work permit every year. He's married to an American woman, has three American children. This guy should have due process, right? And what does Trump say? I really give that to my lawyers to determine. That's why I have them. That's not my determination. It's something that frankly, bringing him back and retrying him wouldn't bother me. But I leave that to my lawyer. You could bring him back and you could retry him. You see what Trump is doing there? He's good at two things, fraud, criming, which put them together, and throwing people under the bus.

And he does that there. Of course we could retry him. And I think he also knows how underwater he is on the issue. So he's scapegoating his lawyers right there. And the Time Magazine reporter goes, that's exactly right. You could fix this simply by bringing him back and going through the legal process. And what does Trump say? But I leave that decision to my lawyers. At this moment, they don't want to do that.

They say we're in total compliance with the Supreme Court. So it is a total throwing of the lawyers under the bus right there. And you see a pattern of this too. Remember a few weeks back when Trump was asked by a reporter, will you ask for the return of Abrego Garcia? Trump said, I must tell you, I'm going to have to refer this to my, you're going to have to speak to my lawyers. They're the ones, I don't have anything to do with this. Play this clip. Okay. We have a great relationship with the president of El Salvador. Will you ask him to release the Reagan Garcia so that you can facilitate his return here to the United States?

And do you believe he deserves due process here? Well, I must tell you, I have to refer again to the lawyers. I'll have to do what they asked me to do. I had heard that there were a lot of things about a certain gentleman, perhaps it was that gentleman, that would make that case be a case that's easily winnable on appeal. So we'll just have to see. I'm going to have to respond to the lawyers. There are now two deceased following that shooting. Or then Trump was asked, what about a judge who was issuing contempt? You know, criminal contempt against the behavior of your administration.

What are you going to do when they go find people in contempt? Trump's like, not my problem. Go speak to the lawyers. Here, play this clip. Are you trying to remove him, Mr. President? Do you have questions? Judge Boesberg, in a case against your administration, said the Constitution does not tolerate willful disobedience of judicial order. Do you agree with that statement? We're going to have to speak to the lawyers. We have great lawyers.

I can tell you this. We're doing a fantastic job of getting criminals out of this country who Biden allowed into the country. Hundreds of thousands of criminals and murderers and drug dealers. And I was elected because of the fact I would say maybe that was the number one factor. A lot of reasons, the economy, a lot of things. But one of the primary reasons I was elected is because I said, I'm going to get the criminals that he allowed. I'm going to get them out. And I got a lot of votes, record-setting numbers of votes.

As you know, we won everything. The popular vote, all seven swing states, we won everything. And that's what the public wanted. That's what I'm doing. But you'll have to speak to the lawyers because it's up to them. Now, let me leave you with this. Earlier this week, Judge Zinnes made this ruling, postponing discovery in the Abrego Garcia case for a week with the agreement of both sides. As Kyle Cheney says, the reason is unclear, but it follows a sealed filing from the government this a.m. That follows Judge Zinnes saying that your breaches, Trump DOJ lawyers, in not obeying my orders are willful and malicious. And she's setting up for

contempt, criminal contempt, I think, against the lawyers, throwing the lawyers in jail. And by the way, Trump was asked in the Time Magazine interview, would you follow lower court rulings as well? And Donald Trump said that he would. So what do I think is happening? I think now these lawyers feel the pressure and they're like, Trump's throwing us under the bus.

So I think that they're actually, and you may call me naive, I think they may be actually trying to facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia and figuring out a way to do it because they know that they're going to be thrown under the bus. There was another ruling by a Trump appointed judge in Maryland. Judge Zinnes is not Trump-appointed. But a Trump-appointed Maryland district court judge ordered another individual to be returned the same way Abrego has been ordered to be returned. So we're going to see a lot of orders like this now because what's happened is groups like the ACLU and others have been filing in different jurisdictions and states pursuant to a prior Supreme Court ruling to get the return of these people. So that's happening. So I think we're going to see dozens of orders,

return this person, return that person. There's 200 plus people who are in the concentration camps in El Salvador now. And so I think the Trump regime is trying to figure out how to backtrack this and save face as they're being thrown under the bus by Trump. You see it there. Let me know what you think. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 5 million subscribers. Thanks for watching.