The MeidasTouch Podcast - What’s Next for Michael Cohen (Part 2 of 2)

Episode Date: January 4, 2022

On today’s episode of The MeidasTouch Podcast, we continue on with PART 2 of our interview with our friend and host of the Mea Culpa Podcast, Michael Cohen. During this interview we cover it all, from what it’s like to no longer be on house arrest (if that’s even a fair representation) to the infamous Mark Meadow’s text messages from Jan 6. and even his relationship with Kanye West. Following this interview, the brothers rank their favorite Christmas movies! If you enjoyed today’s episode please be sure to rate, review and subscribe. Lastly, we would like to wish all our followers Happy & Healthy New Year! As always, thank YOU for listening. DEALS FROM OUR SPONSORS: MAGIC SPOON: magicspoon.com/MEIDAS and use code MEIDAS GROVE COLLABORATIVE: grove.com/meidastouch Remember to subscribe to ALL the Meidas Media Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://pod.link/1510240831 Legal AF: https://pod.link/1580828595 The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://pod.link/1595408601 Kremlin File: https://pod.link/1575837599 Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://pod.link/1530639447 Zoomed In: https://pod.link/1580828633 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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welcome to the Midas Touch podcast ben brett jordy guess what year it is it is 2022 happy new year to all the mightiest happy new year i don't think brett so tell us walk us through your new year oh man new year's everybody if i gave you fireworks listen if i gave you all the details you would not even believe this new year's i mean jordy how was yours i mean fantastic new year's a lot of fireworks a lot of great new year's resolution like we talked about on the last episode of my new year's resolution the correct answer was happiness so i'm gonna try and be as happy as possible every single day as we continue our fight forward. The crazy, Jordy, the crazy thing about 2022 and looking, reflecting on these past few

days before 2022, the things, you know, that I saw, Chuck Todd, still a dick. Chuck Todd, still a dick. Acosta dropping great Acosta bombs on his show. Another great Acosta, some socky bombs. Fox News is still going crazy. And for you listening, we keep doing, we, we keep doing this ongoing bit that Ben absolutely hates. Uh, these intros right now are not prerecorded because we did promise you new content and the brand new interviews, but these intros definitely 100%

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And now more of the Midas Touch podcast. Cohen, so a lot of people know about, you know, our relationship and that we're executive producers of the Mya Culpa podcast. I would like to say that I would like to say we're also friends, but OK, I would have started with that one. I want to start by saying, no, we've developed an incredible friendship over the past year, year and a half, which I would put at number one. But the reason that I mentioned the Mya Culpa podcast is I started getting DMs from people, you know, and text messages from

people who knew through that world. Then they go, hey, you know, Michael is having lunch with Kanye West, who's wearing this mask. And they're like, what's that about? And so, Cohen, what was the lunch about? Are you and Kanye friends? Are you going to be in any of his tracks soon? Are you planning on moving into the rap genre? Okay, so first of all, Ben, let me say this. Yes, we're doing things together, but his name officially now is Ye. He changed it from Kanye to

Ye. Second, his concert with Drake was off the chart. My son, Wayne, had an absolute blast, off the chart. He's really, truly an amazing individual. He's a great performer, and he's such a creative thinker. But he has asked me to assist in about a dozen or so matters that affect his vast empire. And it's substantially greater than what I even knew myself. So I'm working with him on a series of business opportunities, as well as business

enterprises that currently exist. And yeah, we've developed a friendship and he's truly an amazing guy. I want to say this also. I've been the biggest Kanye West fan since I was 10 years old, 11 years old. I mean, since college dropout, I've had every album, every mixtape. I have an autographed Kanye West album in my house. I have all the Yeezys. Like I was the biggest diehard fan and I was just so upset. And I've had a lot of trouble listening to him lately because of the support of Trump and because of, I feel like his attempt to really influence the outcome of the election.

I mean, how do you sort of how do you handle that sort of issue? I mean, he's like was a diehard Trumper. It seemed like he was trying to peel off black voters by appearing on the ballot in key Democratic states. And now we're seeing this whole thing with the publicist come out, which, you know, I know he was distancing himself from and saying he wasn't involved with his publicist, but his publicist was sent to Georgia, apparently by a quote unquote, powerful person to try to threaten an election official to throw out votes. I mean, that stuff is scary to me. And it's upsetting because it is somebody who I used to have so much respect for and I do think is very creatively brilliant. I was the biggest Kanye fan. You could ask my brothers. Well, let me give you a two-part answer to this. First of all, who you like in music

is kind of like who you like as an artist, as a painter, as a television personality. If you like them for whatever their political stances, they're entitled to that political stance. Now, me personally, do I think Kanye is a fan of Donald's? No, no. I think what he and Kim were looking to do was to help to push prison reform, which is a topic that they are both passionate about. And the only way that they were going to be able to do that was via a relationship with Trump. And I get that, but then why get on the ballot yourself? That seems like a devious move to try to peel off votes to help. I'm not sure that that honestly, I'm not so sure that it was to peel

votes off for Trump. I think he actually wanted to be president and he may still want to be down the road. You know, I don't think it was done for the benefit of Donald. I think it was done for his own benefit. But as it relates to this publicist, when I read that, I became very curious about what was going on. And so I reached out to everyone, the CFO. I reached out to people who were involved in his life for many, many years, people who were involved with him in business ventures and so on. And none of them knew who she was. Right. I mean, none of them. I know her last name is like Cuddy or Cutie or something like that.

Then I asked for somebody to check the bank accounts to see whether or not she even was his publicist and whether or not that he ever even paid her. And so far, I have been unable to determine that she was ever paid by him and specifically whether or not she was ever paid for him to go to Georgia to interfere. Nobody knows anything about it. So I myself am curious. Now, would it change what I'm doing, you know, with him and so on? No, I don't think that it would. And again, people may say, hey, that's kind of, you know, a sellout and so on. I believe everyone is entitled. If Kanye, if Ye wanted Donald Trump, as did 69,999,999 other people who voted for him, he's entitled to like who he likes.

He's entitled to vote who he wants to vote for. This is the problem with what we're experiencing right now. Assuming I'm a Democrat, you're a Republican, right? And of course, it's a big assumption. But let's assume that that's the way it is. And you and I don't agree on a topic. Does that mean that I'm supposed to hate you? I guess here's my question, Brett, you know, and Michael, tell me what you think about in a normal dichotomy of Democrats and Republicans, views on taxation, you know, and Michael, tell me what you think about in a normal dichotomy of Democrats and Republicans views on taxation, you know, nuances in climate change, nuances in government programs, you know, should Medicaid part A and part B be this? And, you know, do you have a single payer system versus a privatized system. Like these are traditional Democratic and Republican debates.

But when the question becomes, there is a Republican party that is now defined by Marjorie Taylor Greens, Trump, Gates, you know, Thomas Massey holding up, you know, these AR-15s and they stand for, yeah, and they stand for anti-democratic principles. I really asked this question philosophically, and it's not for us to hate them, but clearly they're being fueled by Fox News to hate us for holding democratic views. But can we evaluate Democrats and Republicans through traditional lenses where one party, the Republicans, are anti-Democratic, and by supporting Trump,

you're actually supporting the end to the Democratic processes as we know it? That's kind of the debate. Are we even in a normal political universe anymore? We're absolutely not. First of all, it's not Fox that's fueling these assholes, these fucking lunatics. It's the other way around. These fucking lunatics realize that they can get on Fox by saying stupid and doing stupid shit. That's the way it's going. And Fox promotes it. Again, why? It's all about the money. That's all that it's about to the Murdochs and Fox Newsmax. Oh, and it's the same thing. Now, you may turn around and say, I'm anti Second Amendment and you would have the right to me personally. I'm not. But, you know, people are anti-Second Amendment. I am 100% against any civilian owning, for example, an AR-15. I just don't think any civilian needs to have it. Does that make me anti-Second Amendment? No, it's just my opinion. And how about the fact, whether you're Republican, Democrat, independent, makes no difference. Allow me to have my opinion. Respect the fact that I don't have the same points of view on

everything as the three of you, nor do you individually or collectively have the same identical points of view that I have. And we're not supposed to. We are all individuals. But respect my point of view to the same extent that I should and am supposed to respect yours. That's not what's existing anymore. Now, if you disagree with me on any of the 100 topics that are out there for a president to deal with, now I have to hate you, and I have to wish to do harm to you, and I have to destroy you. This is not normal behavior. This is fucked up behavior. Because the only way that all of us can actually agree on any one specific thing is if, in fact, we live in an autocracy or a dictatorship. Because when Kim Jong-un says something, you can bet your bottom dollar not

one person will utter anything different for fear. The same thing holds true for Putin. And those people that do end up like folks like Navalny, right? They end up getting taken in, incarcerated, locked up for various different things. So, yeah, you could risk your life spending the rest of it in a gulag, or you could shut your mouth and just shake your head and say, yeah, I agree. That's not what America's founded on. And in all fairness, there's another adage, which is extremely important. And it's not important just for America. It's important for the world.

If you have a strong America, you have a strong world. If America is weak, we have a weak world. And that's what we saw under the Trump administration. We saw an incredibly weak America and a weak world. And that's why all of our allies were like, what's up with this crazy man? And instead, he poses up to all of our adversaries at the expense of our allies. That's not how you create democracy around the world. That's how you destroy it.

Cohen, what can we expect for you in 2022? You got the Meakulpa podcast. I mean, your book, Disloyal, bestseller, number one book in the country. What do we expect? Can we expect some, I don't know, some movies, more production content, more podcasts? People want to know what's coming next. All righty, folks. So don't worry. Mayakolp is going to continue. There's no way that we're walking away from it. We're actually really doing, I mean, we're really doing well. We're growing week over week.

We're now on Odyssey. You know, we're really doing very, very well. And I'm thankful to all the supporters for that. As far as what else is coming out for me, in 2022, I'm going to release a second book, which is called The Department of Injustice, that is a forensic dissection of the entire case, starting with the Steele dossier, all the way to the unconstitutional remand of me back to prison, because I refused to waive my First Amendment constitutional right and not publish. I'll give you a little sneak since this will probably happen before. On the 17th, on Friday, I will be filing a 22-plus page lawsuit against the United States government for that unconstitutional remand.

You know, this is something that's also interesting. When I put the government on notice after I was released and Judge Alvin K. Hellstein ruled that this is retaliation, I've never seen anything like it. Once you put them on notice, government has six months in order to speak to you, try to resolve the issue, and so on. Well, they, of course, don't do that. And so what ultimately ends up happening is you have to wait the six months. It's like the dumbest thing. Six months is over, I believe, tomorrow, but we're going to file it on the 17th, just to be sure. So that's the second thing. I'm continuing to cooperate with law enforcement, both here in New York and elsewhere, providing information to them that I do believe

will ultimately amount in more indictments and against people more significant than Alan Weisselberg. So you can take that for what you want. I'm working on a docu-series right now, just at the very beginning stages. Yeah. I've become a Renaissance man. Soon I'm going to learn to paint. You know, and what else can I tell you? You launched an NFT. And the NFTs, yeah.

So, you know, that I'm with Art Grails. I have to check in, actually, with Avery from Art Grails to see, you know, how things went. You know, we're playing right now and I'm just creating, you know, a platform that actually doesn't exist. One, it's which takes politics and morphs it into technology and art. It just doesn't exist. But, you know, there's also other stuff that we will ultimately launch down the road. Unique, one of a kind documents, like I have two documents in 2011, both signed by Donald personally. One was to Barack Obama and the other was basically to the American people stating that he is not going to run. And for a multitude of reasons, all of which I say to this day is exactly the same that he's going to say in 2024, when at the last moment, he decides that he's not going to run. So these documents are very important. They're historical documents. And I believe, ultimately, when I am the key witness

that brings him down, all of these NFTs will really shoot up. I mean, and big league, as he would say, big league, right? They'll shoot up in value. Brett, what's the NFT that we have with, we haven't done it as an NFT yet, but we should definitely speak to Cohen about it. We have an NFT? No, it's the letter from Clinton to Trump or Trump to Clinton.

What was the letter about? Do you remember? Oh, that's the letter from Clinton to Trump or Trump to Clinton. What was the letter about? Do you remember? Oh, that's, oh my gosh. Yeah, it's a letter from Trump, an original letter from Trump to Clinton. To Hillary. To Hillary, yeah. Congratulating her on, what was it exactly? I gotta, we gotta find it.

It was though, a very friendly letter though from Trump to Hillary, either congratulating her on- Becoming the Secretary of State. It's something like that a very friendly letter, though, from Trump to Hillary, either congratulating her on... Becoming the Secretary of State? It's something like that. I need to dig it up. But it's like an original copy of this letter. Signed by... Mine are not copies. Mine are the originals. That's what I'm saying. This is an original. This is an original

signed by Trump. To Hillary praising her. I'm curious how you guys got your hands on it, but I got mine because I actually wrote the letters. We'll send it, Cohen, we'll send it to you because I think it's the only direct letter between Trump and Hillary like that that's out there. And so we'll talk about that. But on a serious note, though, Cohen, I do want to say this, though, being, you know, becoming friends over the past 18 months or so has been a highlight of the Midas Touch journey. You know, it's one of those things that looking back at it, 2016, 2017, if you told me I consider you not just a friend, but a good friend. If you were to say Michael Cohen's going to be a really good friend with you in 2016 and 2017, I would say in which universe in the current one or

in some alternative alternative universe. And what happened to me, but to have you as a friend, to see how smart you are and what you can offer the world and what you are offering the world when you're fighting for good is unbelievable. And there's so many people in Trump's orbit who've gotten pardoned, but who are probably fucking miserable right now, but who have done so much bad. And so you standing up in the face of that and continuing to fight for good and to continuing to expose what happened. And you didn't know, for all you know, the risk you took. First off, you were sentenced to a significant prison term. But for all you know, you could have been with the Trump administration. You could have done life in prison. You didn't know what the expectation was

when you said, I'm going to speak the truth. And that courage is something that's so rare in history. And history is going to look kindly on you, my friend. Well, I hope you're right. And I think, I thank you as well. And, you know, yeah, we all, the three of us, you know, well, four of us, you know, have developed a nice, a really nice friendship and I'm thankful for that as well. I do want to say, you know, I, this is constant back and forth on Twitter and it, to be honest with you, it upsets me.

Somebody will turn around and say, Michael, keep up what you're doing. You're a hero. I don't see myself as a hero. You know what? I for me, what this is really about, it's redemption. It's about doing the right thing. And trying to amend, you know, my I'm trying to, you know, go back in time and to do whatever I can to fix, I guess, in essence, what I already have, and I work on that every day, but with the country and really the world, because this man truly wants to destroy democracy. And democracy, of course, is bigger than all of us. And if the world is going to be safe, and the world is going to continue to exist, we really do need democracy a lot more than we need fascism, autocracies, or monarchies. So Cohen, I found the letter. It's November 10th of 2000,

Trump to Hillary Rodham Clinton for her victory as the senator from New York. And it says, Dear Hillary, congratulations on your well-deserved victory. I know you will do a great job in Washington and I looking forward to having you represent us there for the next six years with best wishes. Okay. So that's, that's historical. That's from the year 2000. Okay. So, you know, I didn't obviously write that because, yes, that's his signature. I didn't write that because I didn't start working from until 2007, which is why that there's grammatical and spelling mistakes. The guy is true. Typo is so on brand. That's how you know it's authentic.

Exactly. So, Colin, we'll do that together. We'll do an NFT of this one and put it on an auction somewhere. And then we should highlight the area where, of course, it's all grammatically inaccurate. But then again, you know, he doesn't proofread. He doesn't read. He's just a P.T. Barnum that somehow managed to bullshit the American people at a time that the American people

needed bullshit. You know, it's truly amazing that one man could be so despicable, so immoral in so many ways, and be the demise of so many people, yet ski away from his own dirty deeds, his own responsibility. But a promise that I'm making to you guys and to all of the listeners on this program, it's not going to continue forever. That there will be consequences, not just to Donald, Don Jr., Eric, Ivanka, Jared, Giuliani, and others. It's going to be more than just them. There's so many of these people in Washington that have done what I did and what I warned people like Mark Meadows or Jim Jordan. I know what you're doing, right? And you need to stop. Look at what happened to me. The same will happen to you. It's just another prediction that will come true. And it's a promise because I'm smacking the center of it. There's no doubt in

my mind that I'm going to be a witness, if not the key witness in the prosecution against him and his company and others. And I look forward to it. people start attacking me on Twitter, and I don't care about being attacked. It's the subject that attacks that. Had I shut my mouth and done absolutely nothing, done what like Manafort did, done what like Stone did, done like what Meadows is doing, I would have been the first to have been pardoned. And all of this bullshit that I'm going through, including the supervised release, would not exist because I would have a full pardon. That bothers me because people are not thinking about the importance of democracy and the importance of the United States of America, not just in America, but throughout the entire world. And it's very scary. It's scary that people still think that way in 2021. Michael Cohen, thank you so much for joining us on the Midas Touch podcast holiday edition.

We look forward to a 2022 of fighting alongside you. And let me just say one last thing. Merry Christmas. And I know you're allowed to say it. Happy New Year to all the Midas Touch listeners, to all of the, you know, the Mike Sellers family and everybody. Just enjoy. Stay safe. You know, please. I always use it, whether it's on my cameo or what have you. I always use it as like a public service announcement, something Donald should have done. If you haven't gotten vaccinated, please do. Still, nevertheless, mask up, safe social distance, keep your hands clean, do whatever it is so we can get rid of this COVID pandemic. And I say that so everybody can enjoy their holidays, not this year, but every year thereafter.

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sometime the second week of January. That would have been the easy road. We wanted to give you fresh content with some of the top podcast guests on the Midas Touch podcast. So you heard from them all. You heard from Anthony Scaramucci, the Mooch. You heard from Stephanie Winston Walkoff. Walkoff. We didn't practice that, by the way. That was nice, Ben.

Yeah. And now you've heard from none other than Michael Cohen. You got to hit the syllables. Yeah, you got to hit all the syllables. Gotcha. So I guess, Jordy, what was your favorite New Year's memory? Go. My favorite New Year's memory was.

Wrong answer. Taking too long. Brett, what's your favorite New Year's memory was wrong answer taking too long brett what's your favorite new year's memory new year's from new year's from this 2022 new year's the answer was happiness happiness everyone be happy everyone get happy out there wasn't exactly a clear question so we hope we hope you're vaxxed relaxed fresh and ready to fight intoxicated inoculated boosted and by the way this material is a real legit wine glass work yeah i know jordy's discovering the way glass works jordy's knocking on the inoculated and intoxicated midas touch uh glass wine glass and i think this is the

first time jordy discovered glass. Yeah. So Jordy, it's a process. All I'm saying is when they blow it, we don't cheap out at the Midas Touch store. No. We deliver real deal products. You know what I realized that I like? I'm trying to do a merch read for our product. They get it. We.mynestouch.com. Yeah, we got great glasses and I love all the products. But I get lost on these TikTok rabbit holes of random things that I never knew I was interested in. And then TikTok continues to feed you videos along that kind of theme. So one of them is glass blowing.

And so I'll scroll through my feed and it's all like people blowing glass, which is like the coolest thing ever. But I think it's funny that I just get fed videos like this all day. I get people making clay. I get people cooking. But I guess the devious thing about it is there are people on that app who are into QAnon and it probably just sends them into this deep rabbit hole. I just get glass blowing and clay making and things like that. But I guess it could also lead you down a bad path. So I guess the algorithm gives and the algorithm takes. How did we wind up here?

Who knows how we end on tangents? That's the magic of the Midas Touch podcast 2022 edition. Let's go. Anyway, thank you everybody for listening to these, not just this episode with Michael Cohen, the series of episodes with Mooch and Stephanie Winston-Walkoff. Thank you, all those guests. Thank you to all of our sponsors. Make sure you use those promo discount codes. Okay. Those discount codes. These are, when we have sponsors, we don't just take any sponsor that comes our way. These are sponsors whose product we use that we feel strongly and passionately about. And we make sure that we get you some of the best kind of deals, discount codes, exclusives, whatever we can do. We try to make that happen for you. So we'll see

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