The Michael Knowles Show - 2 Liberals vs. 1 Conservative: BAR FIGHT | Michael Knowles, Luke Beasley, & Zina

Episode Date: November 22, 2025

Michael Knowles goes head-to-head with Zina and Luke Beasley in this episode of Bar Fight, where the fired-up live audience chooses the hottest topics to cover. From racism to HOA's no subject is off-limits with live questions from the rowdy Nashville crowd. Michael Knowles goes head-to-head with Zina and Luke Beasley in this episode of Bar Fight, where the fired-up live audience chooses the hottest topics to cover. From racism to HOA's no subject is off-limits with live questions from the rowdy Nashville crowd. - - - Today's Sponsors: Good Ranchers - Visit https://goodranchers.com for an additional $100 off your first three orders– $40 off your first, $30 off your second, $30 off your third– with code KNOWLES and free meat for life when you become a new subscriber! Lean (Brickhouse Nutrition) - Head to https://BrickhouseSale.com for 30% off during their Black Friday sale. - - - Privacy Policy: https://www.dailywire.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Go to DailyWire.com slash subscribe and join now. No! A despicable person! No! I thought... I'm sick and tired. Let me finish. You had a monologue already. I tell people that Michael Knowles is my internet dad.

Stop it. We've got a bar full of people. And you want us to debate HOA's. Because this is America! Woo! Welcome to Bar Fight! Tonight I'm joined by two libs. That's my case.

I think it's a pretty good one. My first guest, that is Zena Ikemek. You've been calling me a lib this whole time. I hate to break it to you. It might be a little bit worse than that. Uh-oh. Just be consistent. I've been very consistent.

Luke gets to finish his point. I think this bell is rig. My second guest is one of the top names in online liberal commentary today. Luke Beasley, here is how it works. We have each brought three topics to the table. The audience chooses the topics. The bell rings.

We'll duke it out for that round. And then our highly sober patrons can come up to the microphone. Why are they laughing already? How long have they been in? They can go up to the microphones to pick a fight with any of us. If you want to fight me, you go to the blue microphone. It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense,

but that's what you have to do. If you want to fight either of my wonderful guests, you go to the red microphone, but do not wait because there is a time limit to each round. We have over here for the asker of the best question, a magnificent VIP table where you can have some delicious John Rich Redneck Riviera bourbon, and I think we have some Mayflower cigars.

I don't, you know, there's always, There are all these dumb rules in American cities where you can't like smoke indoors anymore or whatever. But anyway, I won't pay attention. Lady, gentlemen, are you ready? Ready. It's right on life. Now we read the potential topics.

Ladies first. Look at this liberal man was going to cut off the lady. Come on, Luke. Take it away. Zina, what's your topic? My first topic is that Donald Trump Trump is a sexual predator. True.

Pretty simple. Who cheers for that? That's crazy behavior. Luke? If the Epstein files were released, actually released, not whatever the heck he's doing now, Trump's presidency would be destroyed.

It started out with crickets, but okay. My claim is that libs are ruining Thanksgiving and they need to cut it out. I actually wanted to talk about the other topics, but Mr. Davies, do we know which topic? My ears still ringing from this side.

I think Thanksgiving won this round. Okay, Thanksgiving. It's too bad. Maybe in a bonus round or something, we can get back to one of those. Okay. It's very, very frustrating. We've all seen it anecdotally. The Libs want to pick fights at Thanksgiving.

Sometimes they don't want to show up to Thanksgiving. And sometimes they want to disinvite you from Thanksgiving. This is backed up by empirical data. There's a study came out. I think it was Deserette News. Said that 40% of Kamala voters would disown a family member over politics. that is compared to only 11% of Trump voters. Then there was a survey from the American Enterprise Institute

showed that 23% of very liberal respondents have, in fact, disowned family over political views compared to just 9% of very conservative respondents. There was one final number comes out of, I think it was the Skeptic Research Center, said that liberals across all ages are more likely than conservatives, much more likely, actually,

to disown friends and family over politics. And I think that's mean. and nasty and wrong. And I, listen, if I'm willing to have Thanksgiving with my liberal relatives, they should have Thanksgiving with me. Do you disagree? Interesting. I would say definitely disagree, Michael, and I think it's because libs have a lot more to disown family members about. I mean, when we look at what the president is doing at our borders, as well as how we're treating, you know, immigrants in this country, I think it's pretty clear that, you know, there's something humane and immoral that's going on. I think that's what's mean and nasty. So, okay, just on

that point before? I'm looking forward to talking at Thanksgiving with my relatives about why their king is still covering up, is still covering up the Epstein files. Right. Look, he's not king yet. We're working on it. He's not king yet. I don't know if it's going to ruin Thanksgiving.

But like she said, if you're the one supporting the guy who's covering for one of the greatest pedophile rings ever, then yeah, that would be more disown over than what? Okay, so on that point, he did just sign a bill with almost unanimous We're in Congress to release all the Epstein files.

With exceptions. We'll get to that in a moment. I think, so you'd be willing to talk to your conservative friends. Of course. Okay. So then really to Zena's point, I guess you say, look, we have a lot more reason to disown conservatives because we find their policies and their desires morally objectionable. But think about it the other way.

You support abortion, I take it. Yeah, before I would say second trimester, yeah. Okay. So from my perspective, as a conservative, is a conservative, is a question? Christian, I don't support abortion. I think it's really bad. I think it's killing babies. I think even the fact that you would put some limits on abortion suggests you might consider that, at least at some point, too.

So I am perfectly willing to sit down with friends and family members of mine who I think support. We're sitting down right now. What's the point? Right. Okay. Liberals might be too sensitive. I agree. So you agree with me. So it's you and you and me against Zina.

Hold on. No, Zina's with me. No, you guys are. Michael. Michael. Michael, we're trying to stand up for our fellow liberals. That's worth me, right. So you want me to respond, right?

Yeah, well, just to finish my point, Zena. Right. I'm willing to sit down, and conservatives are willing to sit down with liberal family members who we believe, correctly, support the wholesale slaughter of infants to the tune of 70 million a year. Maybe you might object to our, oh, one second. You might object to our immigration policies, but doesn't the principle of, you know, moral objection crook up out of ways?

Well, so the problem is, like, the point that you're making, is not about human persons. You're talking about... I think it is. Well, personhood is defined by consciousness. No, it's just the case. Of course it is. Well, okay, so...

I guess we disagree on that. What makes a human being dead? Like, when does a human being... What are they considered dead? Not when they go unconscious, because then I would be dead every single night when I go to sleep. But when there's no longer an ability

for conscious experience to occur, there's no longer a human person, right? No, I don't know. Let me finish. Hold on. We gave you a moment. So, so what we're talking about here is the sense that... Yeah, we're talking about Thanksgiving, but we're also talking about morality.

So if we want to talk about Thanksgiving, we can also... Let's get back to morality point. I guess I was seeing my broader point. Michael, Michael, let's get back to the morality point. Michael, let's get back to the morality point. You find homosexuality to be immoral, right? Yeah. All right.

So you wouldn't... But I have homosexual friends. Okay. But you wouldn't elect a homosexual to be president, right? It depends. If you were just like homosexual in the British way, where, you know, like, he likes coal porn or I went to Eaton or something. Okay, but what if he was homosexual in the blowing bubba way?

Would you elect him? I don't think Donald Trump is Bill Clinton's type. I don't know. I mean, we know a lot about Bill Clinton's preferences. No, but Epstein seemed to think so. And in the legal documents that are being reviewed right now in litigation. I don't trust Jeffrey Epstein. I guess it would be my conviction.

I think you're evading the questions, Zena. I think you've totally evaded it. You're not of Thanksgiving. I think you shouldn't disown your relatives except for some crazy. cases, families number one. But... Yeah, we're on the same team. But what is going to ruin Thanksgiving

is that the guy who promised affordability is driving up costs, as even he's having to admit now with the reversal of his tariff policy. The Thanksgiving meals getting more expensive, I think is more relevant to this discussion. Because we're all here, wait before, we're all here to discuss, so clearly none of us are those people

that selling family members. It feels a little irrelevant, but the cost feels more relevant. You're saying the point you're making is irrelevant. I agree. No, I'm saying your point about Oh, like some random liberals that aren't here, disowned family members. I don't really care. No, Zena's actually saying she would be so in my family members.

Oh, wait. Wait, no, I think she was justifying. Michael, which does my family members have I disowned? I'm confused. No, no, I'm just, so you agree that liberals should not disown family members. They should show up at Thanksgiving. That 40% of liberals are wrong to say that we should disown family. So we all agree on that point?

I don't think 40% said we should disown family. Yes, 40% according to. Are more likely to. They would justify it. Oh, they would justify it. 40% of Kamala Harris supporters. I'm special. Yeah, okay, so I'm trying to figure out

because both of you are completely evading the topic and changing it. Wait, wait. How am I supposed to argue with something that I don't think you should just own family members, but if we want to talk about Thanksgiving, I have by the point you bring up. Because you, I don't care.

We're not talking about other topics. We're talking about the one that the people chose. And so you might agree with me, and that's delightful for you. It means we're on the right side of the question. But Zena, seem, I think you disagree. And so you're trying to avoid the question. My claim, which is the claim we're debating is,

I think there's grounds. I think there's rounds. are ruining Thanksgiving and they need to cut it out. Do you agree with that? I think there's grounds for, you know, considering disownership when we look at the fact that Trump has been held civilly liable for sexually assaulting a woman named E. Jean Carroll. This was held in federal. She was crazy.

Well, how come, what were the... You're crazy. Were the courts? Were the two courts? Were the two courts in two separate years that found him guilty and him not having exculpatory evidence to prove that he was, he wasn't guilty? Were they all also insane? Did Donald Trump assault E. Jean Carroll?

I'm not sure what the date was. Neither is Eugen Carroll, because she doesn't know if it's 95 or 96. And she only reported it 23 or 24 years later. Wait, wait, wait, wait, Michael, do you or do you not support, like, our court system? Like, do you agree that our court system? I think courts sometimes make mistakes, and I think... And what evidence do you have of the mistake that they've made in this? Okay, here's my evidence, because you keep changing this topic, because you don't want to discuss

the point that the people ask for. That's fine, that's fine. That's fine. Just identical. E. E. Jean Carroll, herself, cannot tell you, when they're... the alleged sexual assault in Bergdorf-Gudman occurred. She then reported it only 23 or 24 years later.

She then went on Anderson Cooper's show when she was reporting this and said that rape is sexy. It was so weird that Anderson Cooper had to cut to commercial. This then was reported by George Stephanopoulos in ABC. He said that Trump was liable for rape. And ABC News and George Stephanopoulos had to pay Trump $16 million for defamation because that wasn't true. So I don't find her credible. Now you have to let me, since you made a bunch of points on that, respond to it. put in all these events. He's on tape saying,

oh, I got my other. Oh, it was a joke, okay? Then he is found civilly liable. He's on tape saying what? Wait. Okay, I don't think we talked about my point. So I think I, well, hold on, we have to ask who won. So if you agree, I don't even know what sides were on here. I guess if you agree with me and Luke, I guess, is on my side. You raise the red sign.

And if you agree with Zena, you raise the blue sign. I see, I would say there's a couple of blues there. Is that blue down there? two and then the rest is red. Okay, I think that goes to us. Good job, Luke. Now we cut for questions. Yes, I think that in the idea of zoning your family and the borders and all those things, I think the liberal heart is the compassion is misplaced because we're not concerned about all these children that have been come across the border who were given number that they call and no one answered. They've been abused.

They've been sexually trafficked. They've been lost. We don't even know where they are. So if you have the compassion for them, you should have the compassion for closing the borders and taking care of their own country to help them get a better life and a better life in their own country

with the things that they need. We can partner with those countries. Charity begins at home. Do you agree? Answer that? Yeah. So obviously, we should have a secure border, obviously. All right.

Are you on the Republican side? Wait, wait. And we can both have a secure border. and then separately not ignore due process, which is completely unrelated to what you're talking about, which is what Trump has done. And deporting people without due process who had legal asylum cases to prisons in El Salvador

to rot there forever is completely against everything America is supposed to stand for. So let's have both. America is supposed to stand for Latin American gangsters. Okay, I didn't read that in the federalists. There was zero. Wait, wait, wait. Explain what evidence against Andrew Hernandez-Romero was there that he was a gangstance? gang member.

The gangster case that made the... You can't name it. There was no evidence against him because he was a lawful asylum secret. Hold on. Hold on. Who had actually... Who had come to the border checkpoint legally, who didn't illegally cross the border.

Exactly. Was he... Was he... And he ended up being sent because of a mistake, not the one you're thinking of the other guy. What's the other guy's name? You know his name.

Listen to how he demeans the poor refugees and asylum seekers. That's who you're going to bring up. That's not who I'm bringing up. We know Andrew, I know his name. You don't know anything about him, and you're fine with our government sending him to a prison indefinitely. So you bring up one of the... Which is against every basic international law and what America's supposed to stand for.

So to the question. Hold on. Secure border and... But you asked about this guy. You asked about this guy, and I think it's very important. It's true. We don't know the names of all of the 20 million illegal aliens who are in this country. He wasn't an illegal alien.

You're making random points. He wasn't an illegal alien. He was an American citizen? He was an American citizen. He had a difference? He had a green card? Did he had a lawful immigration case? No, no, you said he was seeking asylum.

And he hadn't entered illegally, so he's not illegal. He, no, he had no right to be in the United States. You're saying he was seeking asylum. I'm saying he went lawfully to a checkpoint, applied, and his case was pending. Yeah, you could have like Osama walking through with a trend of Aragua membership card. He can lawfully go to a checkpoint. It doesn't mean he has any right to be in the United States. Michael, that's so, Michael, you do understand that illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes in this country than than in the legal citizens.

That is 100%. Hold on, what did you just call them? Zena, what did you just call them? Right. Hold on, what did you just call them? Undocumented immigrants. No, that's not what you called him. You called him illegal immigrants.

I think you gave the game away. I think all the law. We care a little bit more about... Here's the problem. Undocumented immigrants who come to this country fleeing, you know, oftentimes war-ridden countries, oftentimes that have been intervened from America, right? Come to this country,

and they are less likely to commit violent, crimes than any of the rest of you sitting in this bar. That is a fact that you can fact check that. Yeah, I don't know about that. And the problem is there has been a narrative spread about illegal immigrants to make them seem as if there's some kind of villain in this country that are somehow... They broke the law. When your light shut off, when your electricity doesn't work, damn it's those damn

immigrants somewhere out there, they're always lurking. That's the problem. I don't blame them for that. I blame them for high prices and abuse of welfare and some crime. What we realize, though, is that they're doing the jobs that everyday Americans don't want to do, the jobs that pay, you know, lesser wages. The problem is when you push them out, we need cheap slave labor, so bring in those refugees. When you push them out, other Americans are still doing that labor, and that's a fault of our system, but pushing them out,

it continues to make worse living conditions for millions of people. They're doing that labor for living wages. That's a pretty good idea. I kind of support that. Okay, next question. Okay. This question is for Zena. I'm assuming you're a supporter of Black Lives Matter. I do believe Black Lives Matter, yes. Okay, okay, good. Good. So if you're in favor of protecting black lives, where do you believe the most dangerous place in our country is right now for black children? That depends, probably at the hands of law enforcement. I think that would be like the worst place for a lot of black children to be. Okay, so according to the CDC, 17 million black babies have been aborted since Roe v. Wade.

That's 35% of the current black population in America. Unfortunately. So if you really care about Black Lives Matter, wouldn't you want to protect the millions of babies that are being slaughtered by? their parents. Yeah. So the only problem is when you're with your girlfriend and she needs to get a plan B, we don't kind of charge her with murder, right? That's because fetuses don't have personhood.

Who needs to get a plan B? That's an abortion drug? A lot of people. You don't need to. You could. You could, or you can also engage in your rights and get a plan B. Like a lot of Americans. You could kill your kid, but he's saying that's bad and it's bad specifically for black people.

women in here who have IUDs, you could be considered a murderer, according to Michael Knowles. No, IUDs are not necessarily abortive fashion in the way the plan B are. In many different cases, IUDs will actually remove the eggs. I don't support those. The eggs from fertilized eggs from the uterus. And that could lead to, or implantation, you're right. And that would lead to a baby no longer being able to be conceived. So yes, that would be considered a murder of a human person, right? That would be equal to any of the lives in here, which isn't the case. If we had like 50 fetuses just like stacked up on this, on this table, and we took 50 people from the audience, would you say like these lives are worth the same? Are these, are those lives

the same? Yeah, I think all human life has equal dignity. So if we said, okay, let's take, let's take Luke over here. If we said Luke or one fetus, like literally sitting, like on the table. Zena, when do you say, when do human beings? I like Luke, come on, that's not nice. She didn't even ask the question yet. Which one would you, if you had to choose

between saving the life of Luke or a fetus sat on this table, which one would you choose? Zena, when do you believe that human beings get rights? Okay, next question. That sums everything up. Someone asks me a question. I have a question, well it's not really question, more of a statement that you can answer to the libs. So I just became a mother and two months ago, greatest joy of my life.

And so feminism says that it takes a strong independent woman to have a career. I already have a decent career, but that wasn't that hard. becoming a mother takes a strong independent woman. Let me just say I had a natural birth. The question is do you really think that

being a strong independent woman is being a career woman who had a few abortions or is being a mother really feminist? I'm really curious what you think liberals believe. I'm very proud of you

on your motherly journey and I wish you the best and I think it takes a lot of bravery and courage to be a mother and a lot of work and it's a beautiful thing and liberals at least correct liberals don't believe that you shouldn't if you want to create the most beautiful thing a family what we believe is that you should have the choice and the freedom to do that or to pursue a career or to pursue a career for a while and have kids or both and that freedom is something that I don't know where Michael specifically stands but some people in his cohort don't like the idea of and want way more rigid enforcement.

We want freedom and I love that you became a mother. I love that you said you also achieved things in your career and the choice for your own life path is what liberals believe in. Thank you. Here's the only problem with that is that my Instagram feed calls it propaganda when other women

promote being mothers. That's because Instagram needs you to be upset and stay on the platform so it shows you random nobodies who don't really represent the mainstream liberal view to get you upset so you'll keep using their app. Now hold on. Look, I'm glad that you're a moderate and relatively reasonable as far as lives go. But I think this is ignoring pretty widespread

left-wing demonstrations that say, shout your abortion. Planned Parenthood goes out, says you can have as many abortions as you want or need. These are mainstream groups. Articulate. If you actually look at people in positions of authority, obviously we have a very different stance on abortion,

but about uplifting families and enhancing the child tax credit, Democrats stand for that, Republicans want to cut those programs. That sounds. Trump did just expand the child tax credit. But we'll get to that in some later topic. Okay, so who do you think, who do you think won the first round?

Now you could, I guess on, I don't even know what the questions really were about. Is it, would you say, do we get, the blue for the lips, red for, is it a tie? Is it a tie? Is it? I don't see it more red if I'm being real.

But that was a very reasonable answer by liberal standards. That was very good. Okay. Who do we think the VIP questioner was? Who gets to go to the VIP table and drink delicious Redneck Riviera bourbon? The mom gets it. The mom is going to

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All right, my claim two is Republicans are much worse for the economy than Democrats. Everyone cheer real loud for that. Okay. My claim is that we should ban... There were cheers for the economy one. Is there, what do we got? There is cheers across the board. What did it sound like up there?

Because back here, I'm getting... The economy was really loud. I heard. I've never been to a bar where the cheers. It's economy. Toxic masculinity? Toxic masculinity? Toxic masculinity.

Okay, so what do you? Because it's near Thanksgiving and Luke said he would come to my Thanksgiving dinner. I will put my side for a moment. We can talk about the economy. What's your argument? All right, let's go. So, I'm sure a bunch of people in this bar don't know this. I think everyone's worldview.

Our politics should be structured on just a rational approach to public policy. The most important issue in all of our lives is the economy. And almost all Americans, or probably a majority, misunderstand the records between Republicans and Democrats on the economy over the last century, Michael. And I'd like to hear you respond to this in a second. The last century, the economy has fared way better on GDP growth, unemployment, job growth, et cetera. All of the metrics you can find. the last century under Democrats

compared to Republicans, even when you control for... Under Democrat presidents, you mean? No, even when you control for what about who was in the House, who was in the Senate, time and time again, Democratic administrations and better under unified Democratic government. So always Democrats in the White House?

Democrats in the White House. Yeah, okay. The economy performs better over and over again. Recessions are way more likely to happen under Republicans. We're seeing this right now with Trump, a bunch of people voted for him to help their economic situation, and then he came in and implemented these insane and irrational tariffs on everyone in the world and penguins

and is driving prices up and doesn't understand how tariffs work. Tariffs were deflationary according to the San Francisco Fed last week. He doesn't even know who pays the tariffs. So the clearest stat is that every single economy is conservative or not says Democrats are better for the economy. You can even ask Rock and gives you the same answer. So I would like to ask you because it is, well, it's Elon's, because even, even, exactly. And Elon's AI now says like he has a sexy body or something. So it's pretty skewed.

But I'd be curious to know because Trump's landmark economic approach has been tariffs. And I know a lot of commentators who defend him have flip-flopped on it. It's just negotiating. It's not. You agree that he's completely lying when he says China pays the tariffs, right? No, I think that the tariffs have worked out relatively well because everyone predicted that the tariffs would be inflationary. The San Francisco Fed just came out and said they were actually deflationary.

We see the real wages. You said you were going to stay on the topic. I asked... You just asked me a question. You can't do that. You'd ask me a direct question. I responded to it. You gave an answer to a different question.

Okay. That was a total fake out. That was a total trick. Who's paying the tear? You have to answer my question if I asked a question, Michael. That was, man, how'd you do that to me? He could ask me a question about... So I'll answer the top...

Do you watch for it? Because it's very... This is one of those examples of lies, damn lies and statistics. All right, you're not going to answer it. Okay. Wait, hold on. Wait, you want me to answer your broader question. Well, you're just going to say a bunch of...

You just keep cutting me off whenever I answer what you ask. Yeah, because you're about to see random stuff. Okay, go. Sorry. Go for it. Okay, do you want me to answer the broader question or the specific question about tariffs? Trump keeps lying saying other countries pay the tariff, not importers. The way that tariff, look, I am actually, I am an importer because I have a great cigar brand called Mayflower Cigars. And the cigars are made in Latin America.

And so anyway, so I know the tariff issue all too well. And right now they're mostly being absorbed by the companies. They're not really being passed on to the consumers. And so this is why the tariffs, the San Francisco Fed just pointed out the tariffs were deflating. Well, you didn't get any to answer, but we have seen prices. We saw a huge softening of price increases. Then Trump comes back in, reverse the trend. Food prices are back sharply increasing to my Thanksgiving point.

It's true. Inflation's not bad at all. Places are around 3%. No wage growth is around 4% or 5%. Because it was coming down. Inflation was coming down. It was coming down under Biden. COVID.

Coming down under Biden. So hold on. Wait, that's what Biden handed to Trump. And then Trump reversed the trend and now is going back up because of his In Biden's case, it was because of the pandemic that Trump mishandle. Trump caused a bunch of inflationary things to happen. Are you asking me about Trump's handling of the economy or about your claim that in general the economy does better under Democrats or Republicans? Oh, no, I made that point and then I was giving you a different point about how Trump keeps lying.

It's an economic point. Wait, what's you're laughing about? Are we going to debate the topic that I graciously let you do? Are we going to debate some other point? Actually, I would love to hear you. Are you going to deny that for the last century? Yeah. Okay, everyone Google right now.

Okay, so you don't have to Google. I'm a human being. I can actually just give you the facts myself. Lies. So your point, your point is that under Democrat administrations, that the economy grows more, the GDPs are. And so this is one example of lies, damn lies, and statistics. Wage increases.

Unemployment. Does he have Tourette's or something? Are we going to answer the question or not? Hold on, I'll try. Would you like me to answer or no? Are you afraid of my answer? Keep going. You're afraid of my answer.

Okay. So this is true, but you would grant certainly that macroeconomic events also play a role in the economy, right? Of course. Okay. So the way that you arrive at those numbers, because GDP growth is a little bit higher under Democrat administrations than Republicans, if you go back to say World War II or back through the 20th century. The reason for this is that you have a Democrat administration coming out of World War II. So this is a massive global event that leaves the United States as one of the two main players. Will you be quiet?

Even if you exclude that? Why are you being for dishonest? Even if you exclude that. Even if you just look at the last few presidents. He's interrupting because he doesn't want the facts. You're just so, as I was saying, before I was rudely interrupted. After World War II, you had a Democrat administration, so it inherits this massive growth in the economy

because the United States is one of two superpowers left in the world. That starts to flip the numbers. Then you have, say, under the presidency of Ronald Reagan, you inherit in 1981 a massive, massive recession. Now, Reagan was able to turn that around on GDP growth, on unemployment numbers, on inflation. He turns it around, it gives us the Reagan boom, sets up the next 25 years. Bill Clinton comes into office. He rides that all the way through a once-in-a-century technological revolution, which is the internet revolution. He rides it all

the way up to the bursting of the dot-com bubble, which is saddled on George Bush's numbers, not on Bill Clinton's numbers. Furthermore, George Bush digs us out of that hole because of the 2003 tax cuts. But at the end of the Bush term, you had the global financial crisis. The global financial crisis that was set up mostly by two laws passed under Bill Clinton, the Community Reinvestment Act of 1995, and the Graham Leach-Biley Act, which repealed Glass-Steagall, led to the global financial crisis. Now, obviously, Bush's numbers get pummeled by that. You get growth, especially because of the energy boom under Bush, under Barack Obama, Donald Trump then comes in, cleans up some of Obama's mess, and passes more tax cuts that lead to long-term growth. So, do you know what I grant to you,

one second, let me finish my point. I grant to you, I grant to you that it is true that under Democrat administrations, one second, once a second. second. It is true that under Democrat administrations, you can arrive at that statistic, but when you look at macroeconomic trends, you realize the statistics to total lie. So even if you control for specific economic crises, even if you do that, steady times without external factors, still, and you're citing tax cuts, which have failed. What is GDP growth on average under the Democrats? Now I'm going to go. And a great example of this is, and as I explained, everything you just went there was a fun history lesson and misses the point

that I made, which is even analyses that exclude for specific crises. You made a broad point, and You said ignore those facts. And then you're not hearing the fact that I'm saying, you just keep going off of regurgitated talking points. So, history matters. It says it does. When you're talking about history, especially. And then a really good example of this is that we had the whole pandemic collapse.

Trump mismanaged a lot at the end of his presidency. The economy was in this chaos. You're blaming Trump for COVID? And then. For a Chinese virus? His handling of it? Just listen. And then you'll build a year better.

And then he hands this crisis, obviously, to Biden. And then throughout Biden's term, every single economic analysis shows that we were outperforming every other nation and getting inflation down the speed we brought it down because it was a global phenomenon

talking about macroeconomics you'll never apply that to Biden's economics and then the recovery in general across all economic metrics by way outperformed both expectations and every other country in the G7 and none of y'all ever acknowledged that and then he hands an economy

that had job growth throughout his entire presidency the last job lost month was at the end of Trump's term he hands that to Trump and lo and behold during COVID I think you're kind of making my point last point

and then Trump loses jobs right when he gets back into office this term there we go okay now does Zena have a point to I would like Zena would you like to weigh in at all

hi I'm here too she concurrence you know a lot of what Luke said you know I gotta agree with other lib but another point I just really want to get this question answered. Michael, who eats the tariff cost?

So tariffs are absorbed right now. It can be a number of people, but right now, the tariffs are being absorbed by the companies. I know this because I'm one of them. By Americans. Well, I'm an American. No, no, no, no. But also by foreign companies.

By working class Americans, according to the CBO and according to the Federal Reserve. No, the tariffs were deflationary, according to the San Francisco came out last week. So it's like, it's really interesting because whenever you pull up a stat, it's directly like contradictory to every big economist. Which, which economists? So again, we're talking about like these big... Which economists would you want to name?

I'm talking about the congressional budget office. Can you not name one of those economists you're referring to? Mark Zandy as well... Do you know who Mark Zandy is? Mark Sandy. Tell me about Mark. Mark Zandi explains how Trump's policy is not only expected to increase inflation another 1% next year. Expected to. But we're talking about real costs right now.

Let me finish. Because you had a monologue already. So let me answer to his silly point. Right. So let me answer to your point now. So Mark Zandi, not only does he pretty. inflation increasing, but it's already increased from before due to his tariffs, as well as the fact that he notes that these tariffs are being majorly eaten by American because of

because of the fact that our goods are being priced higher because corporations want to make up for the profit, right, that they're experiencing loss from because of the tariffs, right? Americans are, look at your grocery prices. Everyone here buys groceries and you guys know that there's been a difference, right? This is due to tariff policy. It's always been inflationary and majority of the biggest economic heads agree with this. Unfortunately, the Federal Reserve disagrees. Okay, that's not true. So listen, what you're referring to?

Questions, here we go, questions. Enough a look, questions. Okay, first, peace to be with you, Michael. Thank you. So I think what all of this surrounds, and I'm going to go completely off topic, but it's all relevant. I think that's the theme of the night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is, so I think there's three kinds of people in the world.

I think there are people who believe in God and act in that way. I think there are people who are atheistic and they don't follow God. And I think there are people who know God exist but are actively seeking to deprive the world of God. Because they have, they're very small, but it's just the spirit of Cain. It's just like pure evil. And those people, and they know that God exists, but they have. hate it and they want to take it from us. So do you think a group like that could exist? I do. I mean, there's the occult. So there are people who worship Satan, for instance. They're

like witches and stuff. A lot of the times they are atheists. They're like edgy atheists who want to be really cool and they end up inadvertently like worshipping the devil. So that's bad. Do you think any of those people have positions of authority then, I guess? Do you think that the The cult has penetrated our systems of power. A cult, whatever you want to call it, just evil. I think that's the real word. I think Trump is evil, and I think he took over the government. I would love to respond to this, though.

Please, please. You're talking about something that is a lot bigger than the topics that we have discussing today, and you can call it God, you can call it spirit, or whatever you want to. It's good. But there is bad in this world, and what we notice is that a lot of bad corresponds with amassing huge amounts of power in places where a lot of people don't have similar amounts of power. In this country, 1% of the population has accumulated more than half of the wealth that exists

in this entire population of over 300 million Americans. There are Americans that are starving, right, and have been starving and have existed in cycles of poverty for years and years and years. That dates back to an era where people were enslaved and didn't have ownership of their work. The people who owned that capital that came from that era have generations and lineages that are still in power and still exist in that 1% today. So what do you think we should do? Should we just get rid of them? Like, what's your solution? This is a really good solution. I think the solution does not lie. Well, this is where you've been calling me a lib this whole time.

I hate to say it, but I think I might be a little, no, not you, sorry. Michael, you've been calling me a lib this whole time. I hate to break it to you. It might be a little bit worse than that. Uh-oh. What are you? I mean, I would call myself a leftist, meaning that... Tomato, it's okay. Trust me, it's not. I believe that this problem lies beyond party bounds, and it's bigger than that. And I think that this is a problem that has to do with class inequality, that breeds race inequality, that breeds gender inequality.

All these things come from the same source, and that is drastic power imbalance. So I completely agree with you, and I think that this problem has nothing to do with red or blue. So I think it has to do with becoming conscious of this fact and banding together. This has to do with all of us. This does nothing to do with red and blue. Great point. And it is weird that I know a lot of people support Trump

thinking that it's because you're populist or he's going to be good for the working class. I don't want to spoil what my next claim is. You love spoiling the claims because you keep changing the topic every time we speak. It is weird because Trump just, and her point about the top 1%, it's not that people can't do well,

but Trump in a time of record income inequality just past something that gives a trillion just to the top 1% in tax breaks while taking a trillion out of Medicaid. That's not a pro-working-class, pro-average American populist thing to do. He's serving the elites, the same billionaires who are all around him at its inauguration. He is their president, and anyone in his audience who still supports him after him screwing you over and taking your money to give it to wealthy people, you're being duped badly. Yeah, that's where massive tax cuts also for working-class Americans are voted for Trump in the majority.

The poorest Americans lose money and the ridges gain in that bill. Yeah, so I've had a couple drinks, so I'm going to keep things high level, not as deep as last time. That's good. And I also find common sense questions tend to be the left's kryptonite. I find myself a common sense individual, which is why I vote Republican. My question is you said two things tonight. One, you couldn't go three seconds without saying no kings earlier tonight. And you just brought it up again where you said Trump's evil and took over the government.

I find this very ironic and comical because the left tends to just want to continue to give government more power and more power and more power and basically just like ask them what they should do with their life and how to pay for it and you see that with the New York the New York City vote that just happened and I guess I just want to know where the common sense

is coming from on you can say no kings to Trump who if he was a king he wouldn't know he would have just waved the wand and there would have been no government shut down and at the same time ask the government to be bigger and bigger and bigger and solve all your problems for you. Yeah, so Trump keeps expanding the power of the government too. I mean, he's the most authoritarian president we had a really long time. So you don't really care.

Okay. You just asked how? Sending in the military, for example, to America's streets. But where's the common sense? I can tell you where the common sense is. I think we should be allocating our resources to uplifting and economic stimulus, which is why the economy performs better

under Democrats, despite the whole monologue that Michael went on there. The history lesson he called it. If we lean into demand side, which you had to come up with like 100 excuses for why Republicans always fill in the economy. But the demand side economics, where you actually invest where people are going to spend that dollar the quickest

through social programs, people need it instead of just keeping in an account somewhere, that's actually dollar for dollar way more stimulative. So I think instead of huge tax breaks to the top 1%, I think that we should be allocating those resources to, at the very least, not taking away health care from 16 million Americans. So, I mean, that would be pretty common sense to me. We're just funneling it overseas to random non-government organizations, right?

So, but what does that have to do with? Are you okay with millions of poor Americans losing their health coverage? No, of course not. Because they wanted to give tax breaks to the top 1%. Of course not. No, I just, I don't think that happened. Well, then we agree. I don't think that quite happened. And Trump's bill is insane for that. Then we agree. That's awesome.

No, I think there's common sense things you can do with every dollar of Americans pay. giving it in the form of more tax rates to the top 1% when they're richer than ever doesn't seem very common sense. Luke, is it the top 1% the benefits from no tax on tips? Like there's probably a lot of social things we disagree on.

Child tax credit. I think on reigning in the power of elites, we should all agree. You're listening about it. Where I disagree is I don't think you have the qualifications or me to talk about fiscal policy at all. Do you know the combined... Wait, what did you say, sorry?

Where we disagree is I don't think I have the qualifications or credentials or you to talk about fiscal policy. at all. And you think Trump does? He thinks the word... I agree with that. Yeah. He thinks groceries is like a new word that he invented. Yeah. Crickets. Crickets.

Okay, next question. Not, if that's not true. My question from Michael is, what watch are you wearing this evening? This is an ad? Now, listen. Listen, I, you know, I'm an author. I am a best-selling author of two-based-selling author of two-based. books, one that doesn't have any words in it called Reasons to Vote for Democrats. Hold on. I don't explain it.

Reasons to vote for Democrats, which it's entirely made of blank pages, and I sold a lot of copies, and my thesis is being proven very strong tonight, I think. Then I wrote another book with words that was due on the same day as my baby, and because of the great sale, because Democrats sold so many books for me, and because of the great Trump economy in 2021, I'm wearing a Rolex state chest. So to be clear, while millions of low-income Americans are losing their health coverage because of Trump's bill, he's getting a lot richer because of that same deal. Illegal aliens might be losing their health coverage, but other Americans are not. That's not true.

Real Americans are not. 16 million. Next question. Wait, wait, Michael. Enough. Enough from you. Next question, let's go. 12 million American citizens.

Do you notice how he can't answer those points? He loves the word aliens. Hello, everyone. Thanks so much for taking all of our questions and for having so many interesting things to talk about. But in all of the complexity of conversation, nobody has asked directly, what is capitalism? And can you explain the differences between Democrats and Republican thinking? I want to go. Zena.

This is my thing. Everybody. Capitalism is an economic system in which the means production are owned privately. Think of means production as factories, as land, as the things that we use to create, it's capital, right? The things that we use to create capital. These things, this means production are owned by a very small fuel. Not many people own the means of production. Most of us are selling our labor. Like, for example, most of you guys have a nine to five that you go and you get a kind of a wage back, right, from capitalists, those who own means production.

The problem is we assume that people who own the means production earn that somehow when really the people who did first acclaim the majority of these resources. It happened a long time ago and they had passing it down just. generation, generation, generations. The problem is people who first came here, they did a lot of bad stuff, they took a lot of land, and their ancestors still owned that land. They were heroes. They were heroes.

The people who slaughtered in a bunch of people and then took all their land and then started profiting off of it, and then also selling people's labor and their livelihoods for money. Those are heroes. Interesting point. The Indians slaughtered a lot of people, too.

If we're being totally honest about it. Do you want to compare numbers? I don't think that it would look good, right? Well, we won the war. Yeah, you won the war by doing what, Michael? Well, by settling the land and building a great country that you live in and that you prospered. By taking land that people were already living on, by killing them, spreading diseases towards them, and also women. So, yeah.

Where did you get that from? That happened all the time. With that being said, that's what capitalism is. I have a question to your point, Republicans and Democrats both support capitalism, right, of course. But capitalism is a system that is exceedingly failing as the gap between us and the way. 1% and people who own all this capital continues to increase, increase, increase. What's going to happen, especially as AI comes along that continues to be able to do your job, is that 1% of the population is going to own all that AI that can do your jobs.

And what happens then when they can create the labor and supply it for themselves? Where does your job go? So you say that capitalism is where the means of production are owned privately. I agree with that. And you say that a very, very small number of people own the means of production. So my question to you is, how many Americans, invest in the stock market? How many Americans have the means

to invest in the stock market? How many Americans have it capital... There is an answer, I promise you. To invest in the stock market. What's the answer? Majority of the Americans are broke. What is the answer? What percentage of Americans invest in the stock market?

Not many because not... 62%. So most Americans own the means of production. And how many Americans... And how many Americans are profiting significantly from the stock? Because we have the highest stock market ever under the Donald Trump.

That doesn't mean that everyone is... profiting from the stock market. They are. Everyone who's invested in. The S&P's doing great. Dude, that was a horrible... It is time for round three. That was Michael. Michael. Who won the round?

Oh, who won the round? I thought it was a given. I thought it was a given. Okay. I'm seeing a lot... Okay, I'm seeing a lot of red. That's great. Thank you.

Appreciate that. Who wins the VIP round? I'm going to say... The watch guy. The watch guy wins it because he has good taste. Oh! Where's the watch guy? And now, without further ado, it's time for round three.

Okay, I'm going to go first on this one because I don't know if this is going to be a winner, and I think I'm actually on the Lib side for this one, but I'm right. My argument is, my argument is, they know it, they see it coming. They read my Twitter. I think that HOAs are awesome, and I love them, and I hate... I could be dragged out of here and killed by the audience. Okay. All right, Zena.

All right, listen, guys, we've already done my third topic. Let's get back to toxic masculinity again, am I right? We've already done. All right. Okay. We got a bar full of people. And you want us to debate HOA's. And how awesome they are.

It got them rowtier than anything tonight. Okay. Okay, my third claim is Trump hates the working class. You get the gist on that one. I'm tired him up a little bit too. I don't, Mr. Davies, who was it? Toxic masculinity. It's tough because I'm in the corner.

I feel like I'm getting biased because I got to be like right in the middle for the decibel here. Does it sound like in the middle of the room? Do you have more than that? Toxic masculinity. But they wanted to go back to... No, enough. We have enough...

Toxic. I kind of felt like Luke's topic won it. Trump hates the working class? No, you agree? No, all right. You'll disagree. That's fine. You want to do toxic.

masculinity? Yes. All right, that's fine. All right, Zina, what's your point? Listen, men are four times more likely to commit suicide than women. And the CDC attributes this to hyper-toxic masculine norms that have been spread amongst Western society. So what we're seeing right now is that, and listen, we're all the men out here. I want to hear it from the men out here. Where are the men? All right? This is a woman. This is a feminist, right? arguing for you. I don't like that you guys are not allowed to express your emotions.

I don't like the times that you feel insecure or sadder and you can't express that. Where does that energy go? Oftentimes that leads to men's deaths in bars when they feel this pen up anger that they can't release in normal regulated ways.

And I don't think that's okay. A lot of men are turning to these podcasters who tell them these narrators about how women are out to get them. And that's actually what's inhibiting you from getting laid. Let me tell you. True. Okay? Women don't like that.

What I'm telling. Let's be honest. Within the context of marriage, she meant. Let's be honest. I think that's what she meant. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. You want to get laid and you don't want to be sad.

You don't want to be a hyper-toxic man. That's my case. I think it's a pretty good one. Okay, so we got to drill down. What do you mean? It's a very loaded term. What do you mean by toxic masculine? I think talks of masculinity is an accumulation of norms that say things like men should never be allowed to cry.

It's a sign of total weakness. It's a failure on a man's part. A lot of people say that. In fact, podcasters with millions of followers say that. Okay, now I have a question for you. So that's a good place to start. So you're saying men shouldn't repress their emotions and they should have some feels. Okay.

So curiously enough, there was a study in 2021 at UCLA. Oh, no. No, no science here. So it was a study, and it measured emotional repression in men and what that does. And what it found out is that emotional repression in men is not correlated really with bad outcomes. It's correlated with better executive function. It's correlated with better goal-orientedness. It's correlated with better satisfaction.

This was backed up in 2023 by a study out of Germany, which showed that emotional repression in men was associated with greater relaxation and less stress throughout all points of the study. Okay. Okay, so you're telling me that suppressing your nervous system and not regulating your, yeah, yeah. So, you know, your emotions have to do with your nervous system. Yeah, but they're more than your nervous system. Because we're more than your nervous system. Because we're more than flesh. But that's a component, so why did you say no?

Anyway, so with that being said, so you're saying that suppressing your emotions and not releasing them, which means emotional dysregulation. No, that means emotional regulation. No, that means emotional dysregulation. Emotional repression is emotional dysregulation. No, no, it's 100%. Do you know what a emotion. It's regulation, obviously. Emotional,

women and men are different on a mosaic basis. A lot of the traits that men exhibit in the brain are very similar to the traits that women have. And the vast differences in violence that are perpetuated against men cannot be explained by the differences that come from the brain. Biologists and psychologists agree on this. What's happening is that norms in society

reinforce negative behavior from men. And once again, the CDC agrees with me. Right? So, again, when you call emotional repression, emotion regulation, you're committing a fallacy that's not only harmful. Let's just try to define our terms then, because that's fair. It seems to me that when I really want to have an outburst, I want to yell, I want to cry, I want to beat the table with my emotions.

If I suppress that, and if I say, no, Michael, don't do that. You're going to look ridiculous. You're going to look like you're on the other side of the aisle. Then what I am doing is I am controlling my emotions. In other words, and when you control something, you are regulating that thing. That's regulation. That's not repression. But you said emotion.

I'm saying that's emotional regulation, and you said it's the emotional regulation, and you said it's Right. So you cited some study, which I'm going to have to look up after this, right, that says that emotional repression is somehow emotional regulation, which is not true. Repression is entirely entirely different. No, no, no, it doesn't say that. Emotional repression is entirely different. If you're talking about emotional repression, if you're talking about emotional repression is entirely different. I'm talking about these ideas of men not being able to exhibit emotions like sadness. Sadness is an important emotion that all humans, regardless of, but not with your emotions. Repression is, regardless of, but sex experience. Can everyone agree that sadness is a normal human emotion? Yes. We feel it. Yay! Okay, perfect. So when you experience sadness, doesn't mean that we need to have an outburst every single time. There are many different ways to regulate your nervous system. That includes deep breaths, but that doesn't mean that you should go your entire life as a male without crying that is not normal and it is unhuman. No one says you can never cry. A lot of people say that.

Okay, so let me just say, I think a part of, see what you're talking about is there is a group, Oh, is there more drinks for me? Yes. You too. Another one. There is a... The real All-Stars of the night right there. This is for you, Michael.

There is a group of influencers who try to tell a generation of young men that the source of their problem. Just let me get through this, and I'm going to throw it to you. I didn't interrupt. Why was he going to be for? I didn't interrupt at all.

Just, you know, getting prepared. That the source of men's problem is that women, like, for example, on Tucker Carlson's recent interview with Nick Fuentes, Nick said the source of men not being able to find relationships is women essentially are the problem, and they're getting too loud or whatever. So I'd be curious to ask you, because there's, you know, a little bit of a debate on your side.

Where do you stand on Nick Fuentes? He's not like my best buddy, I guess you would have to say. Yeah, I wouldn't say we get along very well. Oh, good. Wait, wait. But he has half a point on the women, which is that the problems in relationships are basically half caused by women. and a half cause by now. I never hear the problems about the guys. That's the, that's the problem. There is, you gotta listen more closely. There is a whole message about how, I guess they've just

become too liberal, or they're taking birth control and sleeping around the town too much. And I think that a message to men about taking ownership, becoming better men, and becoming more appealing in the world is much more compelling than this sort of Nick Fuentes does about how, oh, it said, oh, woe is me, my whole life is so hard getting hers. I mean, over the half of the people in this bar are women, and I'm sure a lot of us, a lot of us recognize there are a lot of problems with the dating pool nowadays. I mean, like a lot of things that women can express that we have issues with coming from men, but we don't take this drastic stance that men are the root of all evil and they're destroying the world. I mean, clearly, I don't think that's any of our

position. So it's really interesting that these in-cells and these these podcasters are making the exact opposite point, and it's actually getting to the point where we're seeing men in bursts of anger, again, getting to my point, going out and actually killing women out of anger. We're seeing influxes of these cases, especially since, you know, recent events. That's not okay. I thought you, didn't you just say men kill themselves at a much higher rate than women and men die earlier? Here's the funny thing. Here's the thing.

Men kill themselves and other men and disproportionately kill women as well. So when it comes to killing, men, they top the charts. That's the problem. We should be clear, we love men are more violent stronger than women. We love them. We're big on, we love men. Me and Luke are besties. We love men. I just don't want y'all to misconstrued.

We just want them to take ownership, but we love them. Right. Yeah, I don't know. Men. So, look, in defense of some of the reactions to feminism that you're pointing out, I think for a lot of men, obviously anything that's toxic is bad for you, so no one likes that. But you have to drill down. So, like, to the point when you said that, well, toxic masculinity is when you, you know, don't cry a lot or whatever.

I say, well, actually, no, it's actually good for men to control themselves. That's a healthy masculinity. And I think a lot of what men are feeling, especially young men are feeling, is they've been told for their whole lives that they've been told from their teachers, from the media, from the government, that they are evil, that there's something wrong with them

and that they need to be more effeminate and that they need to be less manly. You can deny it, but I think they've heard that. Luke gets to finish his point. I think this bell's rigged. He started talking. I'm going to carry that around every time I'm around Luke, actually.

You can finish your point. I can't. Yes. Oh, good. No, I agree. I mean, you shouldn't be telling you, you don't need to be more effeminate. It'd be whatever you are.

But I think it's more, like, there is a whole group of people saying women should go back to being men's property. So that, you denounce that, right? What? Nick Winters and entertain. I think that's a good idea. See, you don't even answer it. It's so sad. Yeah, I don't think they should be property.

I think there should be wives. It's more fun to have a wife than property. Yes. Well, that's what your friends are saying. How are you? I'm great. I also would love to talk about how Nick Fuentes is, but first, we need to talk about how H-O-As are, actually. Hey!

Now that is... It's a more pressing point immediately to my family. Actually, my family all lives in Pennsylvania. I'm alone. But regardless. Okay. Michael Knowles, give me your case for HOAs. HOAs, this is...

And now you're going to hate me for this. I don't care. Okay, they hated him because he spoke the truth, and I'm telling you the truth here. The HOA is a dividing line between the real conservatives and the libertarians. The L. W. W.A. Gay, guys, let me tell you why. Let me tell you why.

They say, oh, you like HOAs, you're a communist. I'm not a communist. I don't want to live in a commune. I want to live in a nice neighborhood. And standards are good. I don't want to walk outside my house and see some ugly, stupid lib Lego house that they keep building.

I don't want to see some dumb pride flag. I don't want to see any of that, okay? And so I like local governance to say, no, we have standards in this neighborhood. I don't want them to build some monstrosity next. to me. All home renovations make the homes worse, 100% of the time these days, because people don't have taste. I want, I want the, not just merely the individual liberty, really licentiousness to put up a bunch of dumb signs in my yard. I want the exalted liberty to live in a beautiful

neighborhood. And when my neighbors want to screw up my view, I can tell them no. And I bring down the full force of Francisco Franco upon them. That's awesome. So, if I have the obligation to obey the HOA, does the HOA have the obligation to subsidize my obligation? No, in fact, you have to pay taxes to the HOA. So I just need to pay them to obey what the laws that they set out. And that you set out. Actually, you could run the H.A. I mean, look, after reconverting to Catholicism, I am no longer libertarian.

No longer libertarian. You're about to be H.O.A. Pilled fast. Catholicism is the first step to taking the H bill. I do have an HOA and they do subsidize like tons of stuff but I also live in a condo so like that that kind of relationship

makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it does. But if I'm talking about like a home in a development Yeah. Like if someone is going to tell me oh your grass has to be this height like I don't know you're going to effing mow it for me if I'm a single mom with nine kids.

Obviously that's an exchange. example, but you know what I mean? Yeah, well, listen, think about it the other way, though. Everyone always thinks of it as, I'm being controlled by the HOA, and I can't screw up my house and put up a dumb pride flag or whatever. But think about it the other way. You get to control your neighbors, and you get to make sure that, like, crazy lives don't move into your neighborhood, and they don't build a bunch of monstrosities next to you

that make your life worse every time you open your window. I'm a great neighbor. I want you to know that. I'm a little sick of this. I'm a little sick of this. But I did. I told me we were going to H. So I looked up some stuff about H-OAs that I was.

I didn't know, right? Yeah. And now I'm very passionate that I'm against you. No. You're a despicable person. No, I thought. I'm singing tired of you. I thought we were on the same side here.

No, I'm not. Now, the main problem, I think, is that they, so it starts with a developer, right? Then they hand it over to some group of homeowners. Some carons and some stupid carers. And the problem with it, the reason people don't like it is all the homeowners don't actually get a say in it. A lot of these HOAs have like three board members for a bunch of. homes and then they just lord over everyone and no one wants that because this is America. With that being said, there should be HOAs they should just be democratic among all the homeowners.

It seems the masses are turning blue. Hold on. Are you, now what side are you on to see? Don't fence it on an important question like the HOA's. Where do I stand on HOA's? You're with me and you know it. You just don't want to admit it. You don't want to admit it. You know, it's interesting because I'm a person of the people.

So it's like whatever the people want. You're going to become a Republican to pander to the people, to the libertarians. I mean, hey, I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm a grifter, but like, I mean, no, no, no, no, no. I would say, you know, I mean, I don't live in a lot of communities where I'm very scared of my neighbors, like, putting up something that I'm so afraid of that it's, like, going to, like, lower the love, the value. You know what I'm saying? Like, put up the pride flag. I mean, that's personally me. I know, what about a Trump flag, though?

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clearly communicated before. And you listen every day. I love that. That's great. I tell people that Michael Knowles is my internet dad. When I don't know what to do, I just listen to Michael Knowles and he tells me what to do. Something's wrong with you. That's great. Well, the only thing is I'm not Catholic, so I'm sorry.

Not yet, but hey, that's good. I'll take it. That's good. We all love Jesus. All right. So my question is for you. I am a recently converted financial professional. I was a studio art major at Liberty University, lost my job unexpectedly, and then girl boss my way into finance. I'm surrounded by men all the time. They talk about football. I don't know what the heck's going on most of the time. But I do know that there are two ETFs that people love. The Nancy Pelosi one, N-A-N-C, and the Cruz one,

K-R-U-Z. Since inception, 2003, Nancy Pelosi's E-T-F has a return of 19%. The Cruz one only has like 13 to 60% range since inception. My question is, your claim before was that Republicans are what for the economy? Better. Oh, worse. Better? That's a Freudian slip.

It's called a Freudian slip is what that's going. Well, here's my question. If Republicans are worse for the... If Republicans are worse for the economy, then how come Nancy Pelosi's trackers doing so much better than the Republican one? By almost 3 or 6%. Because Democrats are better at the economy. That's why.

No, because I think that they're... Is insider trading better for the economy? Insider training corrupt information? Yeah, so inside trading is horrible. I think Nancy Pelosi shouldn't be able to do that. I think every member of Congress shouldn't be able to do that, obviously. The mayor of Florida, I think.

Okay, wait, Democrats have been fighting for that a heck of a lot longer than Republicans have. And the reason I don't like it is because it could lead to corruption, which is also why I don't like Trump's meme coin, his UA... Et cetera. his UAE.

His AI, I should say his AI chips deal with the UAE and his open brazen corruption with funneling money to... So it's the same reason I don't like the Pelosi stuff or anyone else using their insider information I think he should be banned.

I don't think Trump would ever sign that into law. I don't think Trump should be profiting off of his presidency either. So do you think... That's a very reasonable point, but do you think... Like with Pelosi, I think we're all just admitting she obviously insider trades

and it's totally ridiculous. It's too good. People put that in their 401ks and they're making so much money. She's like the best hedge fund manager in the country. But with Trump, it's not to say that there aren't questions, you know, about, obviously, he's an international businessman, he has the crypto thing, he has all that. I'm just saying, you're against it, though. You can't be against it for Pelosi and then for Trump? No, no, I guess.

I think what Pelosi is doing is illegal for every American other than members of Congress. Right. And what Trump is doing is really not illegal in any way. So you might say you don't like it. You might say we should pass laws against. No, there's plenty of laws. Isn't it also true that Trump is the only president to take a pay cut in office? No, why?

That's not true. He's making it so much right now. I'm just an art major, dude. I don't know. Is that where there's increased by billions just since he's got an office? So, I mean, just be consistent. I've been very consistent. Be consistent.

I am being consistent. If you did one story about Hunter Biden, you better be a hundred times as outraged at Trump. Going, getting the UAE to invest billions, make his world-liven. financial billions in a business deal, and then immediately all of a sudden, he releases the restrictions on the AI chips that they really wanted, which could then get into China's hands, because

he was enriched. Same thing with the Binance guy, he ends up pardoning the guy after Binance makes a bunch of money for World Liberty Financial. That's brazen corruption, right? Yeah, I guess my point is, on some of these, no,

a lot of these financial dealings of Trump, a lot of it occurred during the interregnum, you know, the crypto thing occurred before he was brought in. No, no, not the UAE deal. Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you brought up crypto earlier, which is usually the one that most people point to. It's his crypto firm. I'm saying, how could you justify someone giving benefits to either people through pardons or countries through restriction relief after that country or that person

enriches his family to the tune of billions? Yeah, listen, I think that President Trump has done a very good job, being an international businessman, leveraging relationships for the good of the United States. I think that's true. And what I also think... Wait, were you ever mad about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden? Yeah, I was mad that the Biden family sold American influence and fired a Ukrainian official in order to enrich his son. Yeah, I think those are different.

Biden was, you never found evidence linking him to Hunter, but even so. You never found evidence. The money went straight to his house. That's not true. It did. It did. It did. A reimbursement of a loan.

But after all of y'all made of that, a whole big scandal. And then Trump takes all over. and there's no ambiguity. And his sons are going around the world making a bunch of money for his family and then he's trading favors. Yeah, listen, he has a very successful business and his sons are businessmen.

So you take back everything about Hunter? Certainly not. That was brazing corruption. Why? What's the difference? Here's the difference. Here's the difference. Eric and Donald Trump Jr. Someone in the crowd.

I love to hear you explain that. You're so loud and proud. You don't know what you're talking about. Here's the difference. Eric and Donald Trump Jr. have very longstanding business careers long before Donald Trump entered off. They don't have specific deals

with people who need something from the government. They have new deals. He doesn't want me to answer the question. He doesn't want me to answer the question. You don't know I'm talking about. Trump, you know what? I can tell you the difference if you want. You know what Trump's doing?

He doesn't need big tech to censor or whatever. He's censoring the media himself. That's good. Luke successfully filibustered on the Trump point. I just want to add one thing. I think it's pretty clear. I think it's pretty clear who won that round, but I, you know, I won't even, oh, yes,

in terms of us who won the round. Wow, you know, I thought I was going to lose that because the HOA thing, it is still red, that's awesome. We have two libertarians up front who are disagreeing with me, but the rest understand. Oh, that was about HOA. In terms, it was it, it did get HOA. I think obviously, you know who wins the question round. Wait. You know, it's so clear.

My daughter obviously won the question round. Great job. Great job, sweetie. The only thing is, Michael, though. Michael, I do have a question for you. And your daughter, though. I mean, she explained that she switched from being an art student to, I believe, getting into finance, right?

I mean, according to you, shouldn't she be training to be a wife? Well, I don't know. All ladies are training to be wives unless they're training for religious vocations or a sort of consecrated single life. But in the meantime, it's wonderful. Isn't it kind of practical skills to manage the home economy as well as artistic skills to promote the leisure of the household? Isn't it kind of feminist of her to pursue an occupation?

I mean, isn't that a man's role? No, listen, it's very conservative to deal in. the practical realities of a world, and she's a very young, lovely lady. So you do think we're doing. And when she gets married, perhaps her career will change. Should women have occupations and pursue occupations in the workforce, or should they be... Generally speaking, and surveys reflect this, and common sense reflects this. Women tend to be happier raising a family than working in the witch-and-backer.

Generally speaking, generally. You should drop out, according to Michael. Not at all times. I'm not saying women should get married like 12 or drop out of school or something, too. I mean, Michael is saying that you shouldn't pursue an occupation. You'd be happier being a wife. She's totally misstating what I said. I mean, no, no, no, you explain that women are happier being mothers,

so they should stick to being mothers, right? This is a very young, lovely woman. She might not have not missed her right here. Can you answer the question? I am answering the question. I don't think women should get married, you know, right when they pop out of the womb. I mean, there are other things to do. They go to school.

They can work jobs for a while. Let me be clear. So before I have a family, I'm allowed to have a job, but then once I have a family, I'm not allowed anymore. No, you're allowed. It just probably will not make you quite as happy as raising a family. I mean, I just want to know, like, for the women in here, like, once you have a family, do you plan on, like, quitting, like, your job?

And then just... A lot of people are... So we're getting a little... I love it. I mean, I just... And that's right. Sometimes those lips. I mean, I just think it's kind of ridiculous to...

Still maintains the principle, though. I think it's kind of ridiculous to assume that women's sole function as a contributing member of society is to stay at home. I think that women are... I never said that. I think... I think that women... I think...

I think that women are duplicitous. and we can thrive in so many different domains. Or duplicitous? Yeah. That means like deceitful and two-faced. No, no. I believe that women have multiple... Sorry, I mean, I guess I must have misspoke.

I mean, but anyway, I think that women have multiple different... I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It was too good. You think that women are like... Mama here. I can chime in. I think that women have multiple different functions that they can display. There are multiple different strengths that women can have. And I think that it's very interesting that can.

conservative values seem to think that, like, women should stop working as soon as they have children. I can't even hear you're a little bit of strange. I don't know. I think you're a pyromaniac in a field of straw men. Okay. Do we have any more questions? No. Okay. Before we go, before we go, the VIP table, sitting there looking lovely with that delicious redneck Riviera bourbon. Thanks. Do you have a question that we have not discussed? Well, now I have two things, because we just talked about that. conservative women don't think that you can't have a job I think it's absolutely wonderful to have a job that you get satisfaction from

if you don't have enough like intellectual stimulation from taking care of a baby with ooh-u-a-a-a I definitely think that there's something magical about being home with your baby once you feel that pull if you haven't had a baby yet you just don't understand and that's the bottom line but once you do it's a beautiful thing and you'll definitely want to be home more often thankfully I have my mom to watch my baby

so I will be going back to work because I have to at the moment but the plan is to be at home with my baby when I can because there is something very wonderful about that connection with your child that you don't have with anyone else in the world no matter how close your girlfriend group is well miss you sound a lot like a feminist right now number one

it's only feminism that would allow you to ever have an occupation number one got a little revisionist history I would say Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, guys. We were just on the same side a couple minutes ago. Chill. Now, number one. The HOAs are over. Number one. Number one. That was number one. Feminism is the only reason that women even have had the chance to work ever. And number two. And number two is, feminists don't disagree. A lot of them, most feminists, I believe, have children. Like a lot of feminists have children. There's nothing wrong with having children. There was a famous debate. Anyone who told you that feminists believe that having children is immoral,

that person is chronically online. Yes. So there was a famous debate in the early feminist movement in the 1970s between Betty Friedan, the American feminist, and Simone de Beauvoir, one of the founders of modern feminism. I don't care, Michael. I know. It's so boring. But for the curious and intellectual people in the room, we're going to explain feminism.

No, we're telling you what we believe. So Simone de Beauvoir, the founder, one of the founders of feminism. They had this debate, and she said, listen, I don't think women should be able to stay at home with their kids. Are you debating her? My friends, my friends. You don't want to hear it because you're assuming... Are you debating her or are you debating me?

Well, you said that feminism doesn't claim this. So I'm citing one of the foremost authorities on feminism ever to contradict your point, which is based on your subjective opinion. I don't think you would want to know what a lot of conservatives have said because a lot of it has to do with racism and sexism. So it's like, I'm not going to define you and your values on the basis of what another concern is because you don't want to hear my point. Okay, in my opinion, nobody wins a bar fight, and up from Luke, there are only losers.

So, who lost tonight? There's no winner, it's only losers, and we will have a show of cheers. You cheer for the biggest loser. What? Now let's start with, let's start with Luke. Who thinks Luke lost? Okay. Okay?

I want you, Luke. You cheer at you. If he lost? Who thinks Luke lost? That's very... I like that. By the way, none of my viewers call me dad, and I'm really jealous of you. Yeah, yeah. I'm like a baby!

It's all right. They call you mama. Okay. Zena. Who thinks that Zena lost? Really? I would have voted for Luke. Okay. Now, I know I might actually pay for my HOA opinions right now. Who thinks I lost? Yeah! That was... One woman alone. One woman alone might have cost me this debate.

Was it, it was me? Did I lose? Did I... No? Hold on, okay, let's whittling it down. I think somehow Luke escaped. I thought he lost. Let's whittling it down. It's between me and Zena.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I think they just said that you lost, though. No, but then they said no. Listen, I'll take it over the HOA. You say, yes? No. No. Okay, hold on.

All right. Let's keep it fair. Let's keep it. I'm already disappointed because I thought I wanted it to be Luke. Who says Zena lost? It's very unshibble-riss. I feel bad about that.

Who says that I lost? That's my girl. All right. The woman down center single-handedly cost me this debate. That's life. Okay, thank you very much to my guests for being here.

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