The Michael Knowles Show - Breaking: Biden Exits Presidential Race

Episode Date: July 21, 2024

Watch The Daily Wire's live coverage following President Biden's historic announcement dropping out of the presidential race. Hosted by Michael Knowles with real-time updates and insights from special guests Vivek Ramaswamy, Ben Shapiro, and Harmeet Dhillon. Honest analysis only The Daily Wire can provide. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Is politics ever going to allow us to have a peaceful Sunday afternoon again? I'm not so sure. Breaking news, Joe Biden has dropped out of the 2024 presidential race. Now, there are about a billion questions that go along with that. Will he remain president? Who will the nominee be? Will Biden endorse a nominee? What happens now? How do we process this information? We will get through all of it. But the big headline is, Biden is out of the race. He informed everyone through an image of a letter posted on his personal letterhead. Notice, not White House letterhead, personal letterhead, Joseph R. Biden Jr.

On X. Now, just the method of making this news raises a lot of eyebrows. We have not seen Joe Biden for a little while now. Don't forget, Joe Biden is quarantining ostensibly because he has a case of COVID-19. The president who said that he's vigorous, he can withstand all the challenges. He's been saying now for weeks and weeks and months and months and years and years that he's going to run for re-election, all of a sudden he disappears because he came down with a mild cold. So we haven't seen from Biden. We haven't heard from Biden. Does Joe Biden even know that he tweeted out his dropping out of the race? I'm only half joking when I ask that.

Well, here's what he said. My fellow Americans, over the past three and a half years, we have made great progress as a nation. Today, America has the strongest economy in the world. We've made historic investments in rebuilding our nation and lowering prescription drug costs for seniors and an expanding affordable health care to a record number of Americans. Well, I won't take issue with Biden's lies and exaggerations here because he half the time, probably, doesn't even know he's lying anymore, and that's not really the point. He's opening up with all of his supposed accomplishments, but let's get to the meat of it. We've provided critically needed care to a million veterans exposed to toxic substances, passed the first gun safety law in 30 years,

appointed the first African-American woman to the Supreme Court, and passed the most significant climate legislation in the history of the world. America's never been better positioned to lead than we are today. Yeah, sure, man. Who are you trying to convince, Joe? I know none of this could have been done without you, the American people together. We overcame a once-in-a-century pandemic and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Uh-huh, here we go. Again and again, all the excuses as to why things aren't good right now,

but you have to believe that they're good because Joe Biden tells you so. We've protected and preserved our democracy, capital D. He's starting to pick up the Trump tick of capitalizing random words. We've revitalized and strengthened our alliances around the world. It's been the greatest honor of my life to serve as your president. Here we go.

And while it has been my intention to seek re-election, I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me to stand down and focus solely on fulfilling my duties as president for the remainder of my term. Hold on. Hold on. You're telling me that you cannot run for re-election. You're telling me, Joe Biden, that you are now too frail, too senile, too far. Gargone with dementia to run for re-election. But you're going to continue to serve as president? It's a very strange line there. I believe it's in the best interest of my party. I intended to seek re-election.

I want to seek re-election, but I can't do it. So now I'm going to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as president for the remainder of the term. Call me naive. I thought it was harder to be president than to run for president. I thought it was harder to lead the United States, the hegemonic superpower in the world, maintain the world order, make sure that our economy is still churning. Biden hasn't done a good job of that. Protect our national security.

Biden hasn't done a good job of that. Run the whole country. I thought that was harder than just campaigning. Biden doesn't even really need to campaign, as we saw in 2020 when he barely did. So how is it that Joe Biden has enough vigor, energy, and mental acuity, to remain the president for the rest of July, August, September, October, November. Don't forget the election's in November, but he's still going to be president through December and January. This guy who is so senile that he can't run for re-election is going to remain president for seven more months.

While we face the first major war in Europe since World War II, while we face increasing threats from China on Taiwan, on U.S. interests in Taiwan. As we face the outbreak of war in the Middle East, there had been relative peace in the Middle East, under President Trump, who had the historic Abraham Accord signed. Then you have a major outbreak of war in the Middle East, a war not just between Israel and Gaza, but also involving Iran, also involving all sorts of regional interests. And you're telling me that for seven more months, the better part of a year, this guy who wants desperately to run for president, as he tells you, he says, I really, really want to run for reelection, but I'm just not up to the task. but I can be your president for more than half a year. Biden's going to have to answer for that. But he's not going to answer right now because he's making his declaration via letter posted on Twitter,

posted on X. He addresses this. He says, I will speak to the nation, capital N nation. Again, weird capitalization here. I will speak to the nation later this week in more detail about my decision. For now, let me express my deepest gratitude to all those who have won.

worked so hard to see me reelected. I want to thank Vice President Kamala Harris for being an extraordinary partner in all this work. And let me express my heartfelt appreciation to the American people for the faith and trust you have placed in me. I believe today what I always have, there is nothing America can't do. When we do it together, we just have to remember we're the United States of America, Joe Biden. So this letter reads to me like a much less eloquent and less poignant version of the letter that Ronald Reagan wrote to America when he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease. That was a beautiful letter. saying America's best days lie ahead of us, and it's the honor of my life, and I move into the

sunset of my life. The difference, though, is when Ronald Reagan wrote that letter, he was already out of office, he was retiring from public life entirely, and he was acknowledging that he was losing his mental faculties. Biden, writing his own less eloquent version of that letter, is promising to remain president for another seven months. very scary stuff. And we won't hear from him until later this week. What on earth could justify that? This is some real historic stuff.

We haven't seen an incumbent not run for re-election since, I guess it would be Lyndon Johnson, right? And Lyndon Johnson didn't say, I will not seek nor will I accept my party's nomination for president, because he was losing his mind. The reason he dropped out of that race was because the Vietnam War, was damaging his poll numbers too much and he couldn't win. And he came out, right? He said, look, I'm just, I'll finish my term, but he didn't post a letter on Twitter, that's for sure. He came out and said it in his own voice on TV. What could possibly justify Biden waiting until the end of this week to explain his decision? Is he really going to tell us this is about COVID? The reason that the president, after years of saying, I will run for real.

election, including up to just days ago, is now making a 180 and saying he won't run for re-election, but he's not going to talk to anybody and nobody can see him and nobody can hear from him directly because he has a mild cold that everyone has had probably several times over the last four years. I don't buy that. That is bogus. The reason that Biden can't address the nation until later this week, it can only be one of two. things. Either he's just not up to it. The guy that we saw at that disastrous debate, the guy who could barely speak, is the guy that we're looking at now, and he's just not able to do it. Or he doesn't want to. We know that for weeks now, since that disastrous debate, on June 27th, I think it was,

there have been calls, increasing calls in the Democrat Party for Biden to drop out. And he's resisted him. He says, no, I'm the man, I'm getting the job done, it's me. And then you saw, it wasn't just a random politician or two. Then it was George Clooney, who just headlined the biggest fundraiser in Democratic Party history, raised something like $28 million for the Democrats and specifically for Joe Biden. And Clooney came out and at least was said to have authored an op-ed in the New York Times. I'm not convinced that George Clooney can read or write. But his name was right there in the byline, guest essay in the New York Times. George Clooney, I love. Joe Biden, but we need a new nominee. And there have been rumors now for at least several days

that big top head honchos in the Democratic Party have been calling for Joe to step down. Barack Obama has been reported to be pushing this. Chuck Schumer, the Senate Majority Leader, has been reported to have turned on Biden. And then when reporters like Jonathan Carl from ABC approached Schumer's office about the Schumer's office didn't even deny it. Pelosi, Hakeem Jeffries, everybody, everybody in the Democratic establishment has turned on Biden in recent days. Still, if you watched the Michael Nulls show on Thursday or Friday, I said, look, obviously they're creating the conditions according to which Biden basically can't keep running.

They're playing a game of chicken. But I would have bet a small amount of money. that Biden was going to stick it out, that Biden was going to tell them all to pound sand and stay in the race. It takes a big man, it takes a big, handsome, swarthy man to admit that he was wrong, except the bizarre way that Biden has made this announcement, it makes you wonder, was I wrong? Does Biden know this has happened yet? All we know about this decision is what we see posted on Twitter, and we know for a fact, Joe Biden doesn't write his own tweets.

Trump writes his own tweets and ex-posts and truth social posts. And we know that Trump is glued to that phone. And we know, just as surely, that Biden does not. So we have this letter. And I mentioned earlier, the letter is written on personal letterhead. It's not written on White House letterhead. Why is that? I think the reason for that is because Biden is speaking as a candidate for president,

not as the president. He's trying to walk this line whereby he will, not run for re-election, but continue to serve out his full term. This man does not want to go down in history as not even having been able to fill a full term. If this were on White House letterhead, it would drive home the point even more, and I think it's already in people's minds. How can the guy be so bad off that he can't run, but he's well enough to continue to serve? So that's the breaking news.

there is more breaking news on top of that, which is that Biden has endorsed Kamala Harris. Now, what does that mean? What does that mean for the nominating fight that will now take place over the course of, I don't know, a month, really less than a month, right? The Democratic National Convention kicks off, I think it's August 18th. It's middle to end of August. But there's a wrinkle in that too, because there are state deadlines to get on the ballot. So the parties need to tell certain states, notably Ohio, who the nominee is before the Democratic National Convention. The Democrats have pushed their convention so far in the year that they are now running into legal problems for ballot access. So back when Biden was the ostensible nominee, there was talk of

virtually nominating Biden before the DNC. And so, So the DNC would just be a show. It would just be theatrics. You'd go there and it would be rather undemocratic. There would be no question about where the delegates would go. There would be no question about fights on the floor. It just would be, Biden would already be the nominee before the convention. What will the Democrats do now? Will they follow Joe Biden and make Kamala Harris their nominee for 2024? And then will they, will they virtually nominate her before? for the DNC, so there's not even an opportunity for an open convention, not even an opportunity for a floor flight. Here's, for a blah, blah, flow, that I sound like Joe Biden now, for a four-floor

fight. Peter Piper Peck to Pick a Pickleckled Peppers. My fellow Democrats writes, Joe Biden, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as president for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my vice president, and it's been the best decision I've made. Today, I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats, it's time to come together and beat Trump. Let's do this. And then it's a picture of Joe and Kamala. Joe obviously didn't write this.

I would be real surprised if he felt this. I strongly suspect Joe Biden detests Kamala Harris because Kamala Harris ran against him in 2020 and pretty much her entire campaign was calling Joe Biden a racist. during the brief appearance of Kamala Harris in the 2020 Democratic primaries, Kamala leveled a really nasty attack at Joe Biden, who's a nasty man. So you love to see it happen. But she leveled this nasty attack. She said, Joe Biden opposed busing.

Little black girls who wanted to go to good schools had to get on a bus and go cross town. And Joe Biden opposed that. And Joe, I was one of those little girls. You racist, you racist Joe Biden. and Biden fended off the attack, and then Kamala Harris got out. So then this raises another question. Hold on. Kamala Harris is now going to be, if Joe Biden has this way, the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party without ever having received

a single vote while running in a Democrat primary. Kamala Harris dropped out of the 2020 race before the primaries. That's how poorly she ran. Now, she still received some votes. I looked this up because I suppose she was already on the ballot in at least a few places. So how many votes did Kamala Harris receive in the 2020 Democrat primaries? She'd already dropped out before the primary. 844. To be clear, that's not 844 delegates. 844 delegates to go to the the convention to try to do. No, no, no, it's 844 votes, period. I may very well have received more votes in presidential elections than Kamala Harris did in 2020. I'm not sure. I don't want to, I don't want to presume that people wrote me in, but 844 is nobody. Do you know who got more votes

than Kamala Harris in the 2020 Democratic primaries? Hulian Castro, remember him? Probably not. Mary Ann Williamson, the Woo-Woo New Age guru gal, Corey Booker, John Delaney. You remember John Delaney? No, of course you don't. Andrew Yang, Michael Bennett, Deval Patrick, Tom Stub. Look at all these guys. Hold on.

Actually, I want to issue a correction. That's not fair. Those guys did not drop out before the primary. They stayed in the primary. So now I can't be certain that they got more votes because you have to stay. stay into the primaries to even count how many delegates you're going to get. So no delegates never got a single vote while she was running in a primary. Now all of a sudden, she's going to be the nominee.

The woman who only slightly edged out Steve Bullock for just raw votes in the primary came in just a bit ahead of Joe Sestack, Wayne Messum, and Beto O'Rourke, she's going to be the nominee for president. Doesn't seem very democratic, does it? Then on top of that, you have to wonder if the delegates are going to follow Biden. So just from a nuts and bolts political operations perspective, now that Biden has dropped out of the race, all of Biden's delegates, which is to say all the delegates, are no longer bound to him. They can follow his lead and vote for Kamala Harris, but they don't have to. They're not bound to follow the lead of the person that he endorses. So, probably many of them would, probably the vast majority of them, would go with Kamala Harris, because they like Joe and for

party unity or for whatever, but they don't have to. So is this going to go to the convention and we're going to have a floor fight? I don't know. I don't know, or they might virtually nominate her. Is Joe Biden going to give us any guidance on this? Maybe he'll give us some guidance if he addresses the nation later this week, if he's up to it, if he knows that he dropped out. President Trump has responded. Do we have President Trump's Truth Social Post?

Crooked Joe Biden was not fit to run for president and is certainly not fit to serve and never was. He only attained the position of president by lies, fake news, and not leaving his basement. all those around him, including his doctor and the media, knew that he wasn't capable of being president. And he wasn't. And now look what he's done to our country with millions of people coming across our border, totally unchecked and unvetted many from prisons, mental institutions, and record numbers of terrorists. We will suffer greatly because of his presidency. But we will remedy the damage he has done very quickly. Make America great again. This is a great post, very Trumpy. You probably probably, could have closed your eyes and just if I said, guess what Trump said in response to Biden's dropping

out, you could have composed something similar to this post. But what's so important about it is that first part. He's not fit to serve. He never was. He only attained the position of president by lies, fake news, and not leaving his basement. As I was driving over to the studio as the news broke, I tuned in to some of the establishment network news coverage. I tried to, to do that as little as I possibly can, but I thought, all right, let's see how the liberal establishment hacks are covering this. And what I heard, oh my goodness, CBS News, brought on a guest. And all of a sudden, you've been hearing from the establishment that's been trying to kick Joe out ever since Joe failed at the debate and made them look all foolish and made them look like the

liars that they are for covering up for his obvious senility by pretending it was the return of a childhood stutter. And it was a nasty fight. But now that Joe dropped out and he did what they wanted. Now it's all sunshine and roses again. So one of the guests they brought on to give his expert analysis, some rando, I have no idea who it was, he said, this is a great personal sacrifice from Joe Biden. This dropping out of the race is an act of great personal sacrifice. I suppose that's true if Biden did it willingly, if he even knows that he did it. But it's not a sacrifice that he did willingly. He did everything he possibly could to hold on to that nomination in 2024. It was only after weeks of pretty much every Democrat in the country, something like three

dozen lawmakers, among others, coming out against him and a failed assassination attempt against his rival that he finally got out of the race. They tried everything. Okay, they tried every single thing that they possibly could to hold on to power. Then and only then did he say, okay, I'm not going to run again. And this guy, this hack on CBS News said, he's ending his presidency with a great personal sacrifice, just as he began it with a great personal sacrifice, because Joe Biden said he didn't want to run in 2020.

He only did it. He came out of retirement because Donald Trump called Nazis, fine people at Charlottesville, which was a total lie, as even Snopes and other liberal outlets now admit. And so he had to do it. It was a great personal sacrifice. Oh, that's old Joe, you know? Just what a guy.

Old Sacrifice Joe, that's what they called him. Joe Biden, who had been running for president since 1988, Joe Biden, who was elected to the Senate before he was old enough to serve in the U.S. Senate. Joe Biden, who has been salivating at the prospect of being the President of the United States since he was in the womb. Oh, yeah, no, he ran this time. It was just a real personal sacrifice for him. Give me a break. What are you talking about?

the guy ran unsuccessfully multiple times Obama picked him to be the VP he wanted to run in 16 Hillary edged him out he didn't run and then he runs in 2020 and he fails I do think there is some poetry to the way that Biden's campaign is ending

it's ending with him having never accomplished anything because Joe Biden has never been a conviction politician I always it is overstated that there's two kinds of people in this world, but it's a helpful way to look at politics. There are two kinds of politicians. Conviction politicians, politicians who have a political vision who believe in something, who want to effect some kind of change in the political order, and convenience politicians, politicians who don't really believe anything, they're empty suits,

they just want to have a library named after them, maybe get a post office named after them and get to sit in the Oval Office and be the thing. The former want to do something. The former want to do something, the latter want to be something. And Biden, whether you like Biden or whether you hate Biden, I think you have to admit, has always been the latter. He's flipped his position on just about everything he's ever even purported to believe. He's just a guy who really wanted to be the president. So he's devoted now the majority of his life to national politics. The guy got his first political job, a local political job, the Newcastle County Council in 1970. Very quickly, I think he's elected to the U.S. Senate in 1972.

He remained in the Senate until 2009 when he became the vice president, remained the vice president. I think I remember the chronology of Joe Biden's political career much better than he does. He remained the vice president until 2016. He gets out, lays low for four years, and runs for president. So he's been almost, thank you, sir. producers are running in all sorts of notes and breaking information, which I'll ignore for right now while I continue on my rant. He was president until, or rather he ran for president in 2020. So he's been in it his whole life and he's never, point to the accomplishment.

What's the thing he did? Nothing. It was all just a waste of time. And now the indignity, he's got to go out. He's going to try to claw onto power to at least finish out his term, his one term. and he's got to go out and he's going to pick this other gal who also doesn't believe in anything, Kamala Harris. But he has no way of insisting that the party goes along with it. And as of now, none of us has any reason to believe that he actually is personally acquiescing to dropping out. Don't forget, July 5th, we have a clear declaration from Joe Biden that he is staying in this race. Looking to see what's happening around your home? Ring's battery doorbell helps you track packages and see who's at your door in real time.

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Well, let me say as clearly as I can. I'm staying in the race. I'll beat Donald Trump. I will beat him again in 2020. Let me say this as clearly as I can, and you can trust this statement just as much as you can trust anything I've ever said. I am staying in this race. Five seconds later. No, I'm not.

I lied to you again. He sits down two weeks ago with George Stephanopoulos, the establishment propagandist of establishment propagandists, a man who plays an objective news anchor on ABC News, but who, of course, was the head of Bill Clinton's war room in the White House, the White House communications director, a Democrat propagandist for his whole career. He sits down, Stephanopoulos, voicing the concerns and anxieties of the liberal establishment and saying, hey, man, you got to get out. Biden again, defiant. If you can be convinced that you cannot defeat Donald Trump, will you stand down? With the fence, and if the Lord Almighty comes down and tells me that, I might do that. Well, I mean, on a more practical level, Washington Post just reported in the last hour that Senator Mark Warner is assembling a group of senators together to try and convince you to stand down because they don't think you can win. Well, Mark is a good man. We've never had that.

He also tried to get the nomination, too. Mark's not. Mark and I have a different perspective. I respect it. And if Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries and Nancy Pelosi come down and say, we're worried that if you stay in the race, we're going to lose the House and the Senate, how will you respond? I go into detail with them.

I've spoken to all of them in detail, including Jim Clymer, every one of them. They all said I should stay in the race. They've all said I should stay in the race. publicly, even though privately they were undermining me the whole time, and now maybe I'm acquiescing. The final straw, or the penultimate straw, was when Biden did an interview with BET. And here was the first time that Biden started to open up, crack the door just a little bit, to an off-ramp.

Is there anything that you would look to, you personally, not anybody else, not other pundits, not even perhaps family members, that you would look to to say, if I, see that, I will reevaluate. If there had some medical condition it emerged, if somebody, if the doctors came to me and said, you got this problem, that problem. But I made a serious mistake in the whole debate. And look, when I originally ran, you may remember it, I said I was going to be a transitional candidate. And I thought that I'd be able to move from this, just pass it on to someone else. but I didn't anticipate things getting so, so, so divided.

And quite frankly, I think the only thing age brings a little bit of wisdom, and I think I've demonstrated that I know how to get things done for the country in spite of the fact they told we couldn't get it done. But there's more to do, and I'm reluctant to walk away from that. There's more to do. I'm reluctant to walk away from this. Look, I said I would be a transitional candidate, right? That's opening the door. But there's more to do.

I didn't know how divided it would be. It got divided under my watch. Oopsie daisy. But it's so divided now that I can't walk away. I'm reluctant to walk away. I'm not going to walk away. I'm reluctant. I don't.

If I were diagnosed with a medical condition, then conveniently five seconds later, they muzzle Biden with chloroform. They say, yeah, he's got COVID. Yeah. Anyway, we're going to take him to Roebath Beach. Nobody look for him. He's okay. He's quarantining.

Just watch his Twitter account. then very convenient timing. And then he comes out and endorses Kamala Harris. So I have joining me now, Charlie Spearing, author of Amateur Hour, Kamala Harris in the White House, a man who picked a really, I was going to say a really great subject for a book. Actually, it's a really awful subject for a book. But I hope and expect that he's now going to make a lot of money because all of a sudden, this woman really could end up in the White House.

Charlie, thank you for coming on. you bet michael thanks for having me what it's what an afternoon so is kamala actually going to get the nomination biden endorses her he has no way of forcing his delegates to go along with it are we really going to end up with this lady as the democratic nominee well it's interesting that you haven't really heard a resounding declaration of support around comel harris even though i do suspect that she will be the ultimate nominee right now you're going to have a lot of donors fighting behind the scenes, especially the ones that don't want to see Kamala Harris become the head of the Democratic Party, there will be a little, a few conversations behind the scenes trying

to make, trying to open up the process to allow another candidates to come in. But from the very beginning, it's the way this has been set up. This is why Joe Biden was running for re-election in the first place, because Kamala Harris was not ready to run. Kamala Harris wasn't popular. She wasn't resonating with voters. Democrats don't necessarily all rally. around her. So this is the reason why he's running for re-election in the first place, and now they're stuck with the ultimate doom scenario. Well, we will see what we will be unburdened by what has been or whatever that word salad that Kamala frequently repeats. We will see that. Of course, Kamala has a big advantage here, which is that she's already part of the ticket. She's already part of the

campaign apparatus. So presumably it would be easier for her than for, say, a Gavin Newsome or a Michelle Obama, as some Democrats are fantasizing about, to move into that position. Exactly. Exactly. Take a look at Obama. He's a long-time Kamala Harris supporter, so I fully expect him to back Kamala Harris. The Clinton just came out with a tweet. They endorsed Kamala Harris. So she's already on the fast track to seizing the mantle here. Do you think the Democrats are going to push back at all, given that they're supposedly the Democratic Party? And yet Kamala Harris has never received a single vote. vote, much less a delegate, while she was running in a Democrat primary, not one vote.

Yes, I'm adding you'll see some grumbling. There may be a movement within the Democratic Party. Hey, let's open up this nomination. Let's bring it to the convention. The Democrats hate that because that means that there will be an unexpected chaotic convention. That's the last thing they want to do right now. What's interesting, watch Nancy Pelosi. She's not a big Kamala Harris fan. She knows Kamala Harris. She's worked with her in California, not a huge fan. So it'll be interesting to see whether Pelosi endorses Kamala or whether she gets on board with the idea of an open convention. So the question then is, can she really run? I mean, I thought, even as of Thursday or Friday, I would have bet, as I said, a small amount of money that Biden sticks it out and stays in the race. If for no other reason, then, he had no incentive really to get out. And the other candidates weren't polling. better than him. There was an A-plus poll that came out just a few days ago that showed that Kamala would lose to Trump, that Gavin Newsom would lose to Trump by a lot, and even Michelle Obama,

the fantasy candidate, who I don't think she wants to run, I don't think that anybody really wants to vote for her. Even she was tied with Trump. So if I'm Biden, I look at that, I think, look, I drop out. It doesn't even give the Democrats a much better odds to win. Does Kamala Harris have what it takes to beat Trump? Well, I think that the Trump campaign has said this over the weekend. They said, we fully expect the mainstream media to give Kamala another chance to make the reboot. And this is what she's already been preparing to do on the campaign trail. Look, I've been watching her campaign events.

They're very scripted. They're very disciplined. She's no longer sort of the laughing, cackling candidate that people are used to as vice president. She's really focused on being absolutely perfect, Absolutely scripted. But that's the problem. Someone who is that scripted, can they even connect with voters? And voters don't have enough.

They haven't, even the Democratic voters haven't warmed up to her in the first three years. Who's going to say that in the next few months, they'll suddenly, suddenly, you know, fall in love with her. It's really going to take a long time for Democratic voters to get, as they're saying now, coconut filled. If you support Kamala Harris, your coconut peeled, you heard AOC mentioned. that on Thursday. So get your coconuts ready. Let's go. So I feel somewhat vindicated. Years ago, before she even decided to run in the 2020 race, I said this woman has an uncanny ability to rise up the ladder of politics. And so I said, keep your eyes on Kamala Harris. And everyone was talking about all sorts of other candidates. I said, keep your eyes on Kamala. And then she dropped

up before the primaries, and I started to question myself. I said, wow, did I really misjudge that? Then she got the VP pick. I thought, oh, no, I didn't misjudge that. She's a good careerist. And now, amazingly, she is within inches of becoming the Democratic nominee for president in 2024, just three months before the general election. Some people have pointed out that her rise in politics has been somewhat disreputable, perhaps. There are all sorts of stories about how she got her start in politics. I'm not going to get into it. This is a family show. However, the conservative media, at least, maybe even some of the honest brokers in the independent media, will point out that this woman has a little bit of a dodgy political past. Do you think,

for instance, the name Willie Brown is going to come up? I mean, do you think that the early days of Kamala's political career are going to come back to haunt her in any substantial way over the next three months? Yeah, absolutely. And look, Kamala Harris and her team do not ever want to talk about Willie Brown. She's trying to bury him for years, for decades, that she's been trying to move her political career forward. But look, there's a huge part. For those who don't know, Charlie, I suspect a lot of the audience knows, but would you maybe give a little introduction to Willie Brown? Sure. Willie Brown was running as mayor of San Francisco when he first started dating Kamala Harris. Willie Brown's 60 years old, Kamala Harris is 29. Willie Brown is still married,

but estranged from his wife. So Willie and Kamala have this year-long relationship where he parades her around as a potential steady girlfriend to all the high society people and donors and voters in San Francisco really helping and even offering her some high paid positions in state government that paid her a good deal of money. So there would need no Kamala Harris without Willie Brown. He really put her on the stage and set her up for her start. Do you think it becomes an issue, or do you think the establishment media just successfully bury it?

Oh, the establishment media is done with Willie Brown because the vice president's office is furious anytime someone tries to make that part of the story. But you're going to see conservative media talk about it, and people should be talking about it. And that's why I wrote the book, because you have to know, you have to understand the relationship between the two if you're going to understand the rise of Kamala Harris. So forget about whether or not Kamala beats Trump for a second. Do you think Kamala even outperforms a debilitated Joe Biden? That's a good question because right now we're looking at some, you know, the three major states, right? Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Can Kamala Harris garner enough support there more than Joe Biden? And that'll be what the interesting thing that comes up in the polls. One thing that Harris's advisors suggest is, you know, because of her identity, maybe she'll perform better in states like North Carolina or Georgia. You know, maybe she might cut down Trump's margin there.

But ultimately, it's going to take a huge amount of work to get her up to speed and get her ready to appeal to the voters and the voters in those three major swing states. So you've studied the woman. If she does become the nominee and if, you know, we hope against it, of course, but if she becomes, became the president, what would that look like? Who is Kamala Harris? What does she believe? What are her priorities? What do we have to fight against and potentially dread? Well, she's 100%. Her number one goal is the issue of abortion. Since Rovi Wade was overturned, she's made that her sole political focus that she's been campaigning across the country on the issue of abortion. It'll be the number one issue. If elected president, it'll be the number one issue that she

starts her presidency on. She wants revenge for that decision. She wants it. She wants Roe v. Wade completely codified back into law. And she wants to punish Republicans for doing it in the first place. So I do see it as a very hostile, very aggressive push towards that on that issue. And certainly to continue on and defend the entire Biden agenda that's passed so far. That is very unfortunate. Because one, it's a, it's an evil, evil position. to make your raison d'etre in politics. But also, you know, I'm as pro-life as they get, when abortion has come up on the ballot since the overruling of Roe v. Wade, the pro-lifers have not fared very well. So I'm sure Kamala Harris is going to want to make this election in some

ways a referendum on abortion. You can see Trump trying to choose his words carefully on abortion. You know, he is the most pro-life president we've ever had, first sitting president to show up to the March for Life, appointed the judges who ever ruled Roe v. have he weighed. So he's got, he's got very good pro-life bona fides, but he's trying to minimize how he speaks about it because, as he said, you got to get elected. So you can see her even leaning into that. Charlie, thank you so much for coming on. The book is Amateur Hour. Everyone go out, get Amateur Hour today. Charlie, I suspect the one really nice thing out of all this news today, I suspect you're about to make a lot more money. So that's good. And then people can learn more

about Kamala Harris as a result of that. So thank you for coming on. Thanks so much for having me, Michael. Okay. We've got news coming out now. Chuck Schumer. Schumer's come out. He said Joe Biden has not only been a great president and a great legislative leader, but he's a truly amazing human being. This guy who can't discern the difference between truth and a lie, who told black people

that Mitt Romney was going to put him all back in chains, who's told nasty. the evil lies for his whole life. This guy, he's a, what an amazing human being, St. Joe. Anyway, Chuck goes on, his decision, of course, was not easy. It was not easy because you guys had to restrain him to a bed, threaten him. That knife point is like, you will drop out or else. But his decision was not easy, but he once again put his country, his party, and our future first. Joe, today shows you are a true patriot and a great American.

Obama, not seeing any posts yet from Barack Obama. Let's see. We've got a statement from Bill Clinton. So this just came out. This is a joint statement from both Bubba and Secretary of State Hillary. President Biden has capped his extraordinary career of service with a presidency. He also, capital P presidency. I think the same illiterate is writing all of these statements.

They all have really weird capitalization in them. It's a little bit of a digression, but that's kind of odd. People who generally have a good grasp of the English language are all writing in the same weird way. And it's relevant, actually, because this whole stepping down seems oddly scripted and contrived, and we haven't actually seen Biden or heard from him directly. it just, it feels like the same person is writing all of these statements. In any case, career of service with the presidency that has lifted America out of an unprecedented pandemic, created millions of new jobs, rebuilt a battered economy, strengthened our democracy,

and restored our standing in the world. By any measure, he has advanced our founders, but then he doesn't capitalize founders. That's weird. Our founders charged to build a more perfect union and his own stated goal of restoring the soul of our nation. We join millions of Americans and thanking President Biden for all he is accomplished, standing up for America time and again, with his North Star, always being what's best for the country. We're honored to join the president and endorsing Vice President Harris, and we will do whatever we can to support her. Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, goes on. So the Clintons are in on Harris,

too. Schumer, I'm not yet seeing an endorsement of Harris from Schumer, although this is all happening in real time. So who knows, it may have already broken. We're just seeing more, more plaudits for Biden. Has Obama posted yet? Nope, not seeing anything. Last was, last tweet from Obama was three days ago. He's talking about John Lewis, the former Democrat congressman. But you're seeing a slow turn here.

Elon Musk is reacting to the news. He said, I heard last week that he would resign at this exact time in date. It was widespread knowledge in D.C. The real powers that be are discarding the old puppet in favor of one that has a better chance of fooling the public. They fear Trump because he's not a puppet. Yeah, wow. Actually, I had not read Elon Musk's post before I just said what I said, but Elon is saying much the same thing. We all heard that this was maybe going to happen Sunday afternoon. My poor wife, sweet little Elisa, juggling our three toddlers. She said, can he just do it Friday or Monday? Why is he? But it happened. exactly the rumored time, and we're not even hearing from him. It really feels like a show. It really feels like an old ham actor in a vaudeville act in a dying show, gets the cane, gets the curtain, pulled off stage, never to be heard from again. I did make this point on my show either Thursday or Friday. When Biden left Las Vegas, he was supposed to give another, he'd given a speech in Las Vegas that was a disaster. He then was supposed to give another speech in Las Vegas. He didn't.

The Democrat who was hosting that speech came out and said, so sorry, I've heard from the president. He really wanted to be here. But he's got COVID. So, you know, anyway, you'll never, you're not going to hear from him. He can't be here. He's back in Roebuth Beach. Not even back at the White House. He's back at his private home.

And I did say, you might never hear from Biden on the campaign trail again as a presidential candidate. This might be the end. of his presidential campaign appearances. Now, maybe you hear from him again as president later this week, as he says, he might do. But if he takes any questions from the press, and if there's even one honest journalist in the group, he's going to have to face the question. How can you possibly continue to serve as president? If you're too weak and senile to run for president, how can you possibly continue to serve as president?

how can you possibly continue to serve as president? Now, he might not face that question because don't forget, the liberal establishment journalists have been hard on Biden in recent weeks because they wanted to strengthen the Democrat ticket in their mind by replacing him as the nominee. So any difficult questions that they made Biden face was only in service of their usual goal, which is furthering leftism, furthering the democracy. Democratic Party. So now that he's given them what they want, there's no reason to expect that the press will give him any difficult questions. And that's not even, it's a difficult question for him to

answer, but it's such an obvious question. How can you continue to serve as president? And what happened behind the scenes? What got this guy to turn from, I am sticking it out come hell or high water, I will be the nominee, to this statement tweeted for him. while he's hidden away in Delaware, was there any threat made to invoke the 25th Amendment, to remove him from office and from the campaign trail? I don't know. I have no reason to believe that that's the case other than the chatter that we've heard in the establishment media, the same establishment media that's getting the credit for chasing him out of the race.

But regardless, he is out of the race. And what does this mean for Republicans? I said for weeks that I think in many ways Biden, even obviously senile, was the strongest candidate for the Democrats. Kamala Harris, as we've observed, has never been able to even stay in the race long enough to win a single vote while running in a primary. Gavin Newsom, give me a break. I don't think Gavin Newsom plays in Peoria. Michelle Obama? What? No. So I said, look, it's not that Biden is strong. Biden still looks like he's going to lose to Trump, but he might be the best available. Democrats obviously have felt differently. And if I'm a Republican, if I'm the Trump campaign right now, that does worry me a little bit. Because even if Trump, or even if Biden rather, was relatively stronger than Harris, Harris, there's more unpredictability. With Harris, you just don't know. You don't know. You don't have. how the media are going to react to her this time. You don't know, you don't know how the identity

politics are going to play. You don't know how the relative youth is going to play. Now, speaking of a youthful politician, I have one of the most brilliant young politicians in America online, my friend Vivek Ramoswamy. Vivek, thank you for joining. Good to be on, man. How you doing? I'm, I don't know how I'm doing, actually. Vivek, I was going to say, I guess I'm doing well because this bad thing happened to Biden, but I don't know if this hurts or improves Trump's chances in 2024. What's your reaction?

Yeah, well, look, my reaction is, first of all, just follow the incentives. And it tends to be the best way to predict what's actually going to happen. Right. You know, Michael, you and I've been talking probably for over a year. I said this first last spring. And more prominently, during the Republican debates, it was dismissed as a conspiracy theory.

Now it's played out as reality. Yeah. And so I'll sit to the same pattern of, you know, and all the way down to even my concerns about a system that was going to have a non-tolerating response to Trump being the nominee, although I think Divine Providence found its way to guide ourselves to the right outcome. So let's use the same same sort of lens now. What are the incentives going forward? Their incentives are to win.

But it's not an individual, right? if you understand that if you think it's an individual that we're up against your missing the point. Yeah. We're up against a machine. So I think it would be a mistake for Republicans to sort of train our critical fire of criticism on Kamala now. No, I don't think that's the right way to go because she, too, is a puppet of the same

machine. Biden has cognitive deficits. So does she. In both cases, their cognitive deficits are not a bug. They're a feature. And I think what we have to understand is that we're up against that machine. running against a system, our only way to insulate ourselves against that is to actually call out that fact, say who we are and what we actually stand for. And I think a lot of Democrats and a lot

independents now realize they've been lied to about probably the single most important of the so-called conspiracy theories term reality in the last several years. I mean, we got the Hunter Biden laptop. You got the Russia collusion hoax. You got the origin of COVID. Those are big ones, right? But this might be the one that goes down in the history books as the one that's most lasting is a machine lying about the capability of the U.S. Commander-in-Chief to actually serve as the Commander-in-Chief. Biden is not the current president of the United States in any functional sense, and they've lied about it. And I think that that creates an opening for us to really develop an honest message to the American people that we are not running to beat the next puppet of that system. We're running to break that system. And I think it's a powerful reality.

I noticed Vivek in Milwaukee. I was unfortunately only there very briefly because I didn't want my wife to murder me upon my return with our little newborn and the other toddlers. But I was there long enough to catch how extremely well you were received. When you showed up to the RNC, the crowd went wild. They were very excited about the vision that you're presenting. And so obviously you've endorsed in the... supported President Trump, and you know, you're, you're part of the team and an important player on the team. So if you were advising the Trump campaign right now, how do you tell them to react to this news and what

specifically do you go after if tomorrow Kamala Harris became the official nominee? Look, I think that the right track, and first of all, I will say, is I've had great conversation with President Trump. actually, whatever spoke to him in the last hour or so since this came out. He doesn't, he's in the right head space. I think that he is in a operating at a different plane than even he was as recently as probably 48 years ago, even maybe as recently as 46 months ago. Right. And I think that he is, he understands that he's effectively right now the leader of the country, right? He's not the president of the United States in the nominal sense of it. But just as a child in a household. You brought up young children. I have young children. Just as young children need to know that

there's a mother and a father figure in the house. And here are the people who fill that vacuum in my heart as a member of this household. Citizens need to know that here's the leader of our country right now. And when you just ask in an ordinary sense of the word, right, to a citizen on the street, you ask them, who's that leader that grounds your sense of nation and your stability as a citizen of this nation? It's not Joe Biden right now. I think that person in their heart right now is Donald Trump. And I think he understands that too, and he's rising to that occasion. And so I don't think he needs the advice that I would give. But here's what it is nonetheless.

And I'll share it nonetheless because I think it's important for all of us to sort of hold ourselves to the standard is we have to offer our own vision of who we are and why we're running to actually save this country and why President Trump is going to be the person to do it, irrespective of who they put up. I don't think the knee-jerk temptation to go now come up with specified tailor-made criticism of Kamala Harris is the right way to go. I think that would come across and look insecure. It would look like we're worried when, in fact, we have no reason to be worried. And instead, I think just point out the fact that, okay, here's the latest lie they told you. It's part of a recurring pattern over the last eight years. It's not an individual who's at fault. It's an entire machine that we're going in there to actually beat and defeat.

Not an individual, but a machine. It's the managerial class that has crushed the will. That wheel of the managerial class continues to turn and crush the will of the everyday citizen. I don't care if you're a Democrat or a Republican or a black or white citizen. We're here to restore a country where the people's voices are heard and they're represented. And I think that that's a message that now a lot more Democrats and independents may be more receptive to than they might have been. That's really insightful, Vivek. It's really because Biden, unlike more ideological candidates, Biden's always been kind of

an empty suit. And so if Republicans had tailored all of our criticisms of this administration against the man, Joe Biden, and then all, you know, we say, Joe Biden's the worst man in the country. And then all of a sudden we have to, we have to flip on a moment's notice and say, no, actually, sorry, Kamala Harris is the worst person in the country. That would seem disingenuous, but that's not our problem with it. Kamala Harris is just as empty a suit as, I guess she's maybe a pants suit or a dress or something. But she's basically the same kind of politician as Joe Biden is. and that's not really our. I don't really care about either of them personally much at all. I care about the machine that they are part of and nominally leading.

The individual is irrelevant to the collective machine is all that matters. And in a certain sense, Michael, I mean, it's even truer with the broader philosophy of what the left represents and it always represents, right? Right. Is the denial of human agency in some ways, I'm not going to make this too philosophical, but that's just manifest in the way that they run the machine that you and I are talking about as well. So the more we stay clear-eyed about that, the more successful we're going to be. And that'd be my advice to our entire party and our entire movement. And, you know, I don't think he needs it. But to Donald Trump, that's sort of my perspective as well.

Before I let you go, because you have been uncanny in your predictions of what would transpire, you know, over the course of the past year or so. Do you have any guesses as to who Kamala might pick or who the Democratic establishment might pick to be her running mate? So look, I think there's two viable choices for who the nominee is going to be. Just because Biden has endorsed Harris does not automatically mean it's going to be her. I think the two choices are Kamala or Michelle Obama. I think those remain the two choices. I said that all along. I say it now because they check the identity, politic, commitment boxes at the same time,

that allows them to feign the commitments they had made at the time they made Kamala Harris, the vice presidential nominee when she had no merit in fulfilling that role. Suppose it's Kamala. I think Josh Shapiro is. likely to be the VP. I could be totally wrong about this, but again, I've been wrong. You know, I've had a few, I've had a lot of things over the last couple of years, Michael, that were, would be conspiracy theories that have turned into reality. Conspiracy theorems, I call them now. They've been proven. Right, right, right. Truth theorems is what they ended up being, you know,

and, you know, I was, you know, I'm grateful that some of those did not transpire even if only by a hair's breadth. Right. But, you know, in terms of of what the other side would try to do. It's, you know, it was, I think in some ways, I think Divine Providence guided the founding of this country and it guided us a week ago as well on that Saturday. But nonetheless, I do think that in the spirit of, you know, tracking what my instincts are here, I think Josh Shapiro may end up being the VP to Kamala. It's not complicated. It's not rocket science. Follow the incentives. Pennsylvania, key state. They need to win it in order to win the election. somebody's well-spoken, offers a visual deflection off of the identity-politic basis for them

selecting Kamala. And maybe even brings some of the Jewish vote back, right? I think that there may be some of the things that they're looking at through the world of checking boxes. I think he's not an unreasonable choice. He actually talks a good game. The reality is he unfortunately doesn't live up to it. He says the right things about school choice, but push comes to shove doesn't actually implement it

in Pennsylvania. But people just remember the things he said, right? and that's the way our world works. So I think if it's Kamala, I think there's a good chance, Josh Shapiro is the VP. If it's Michelle Obama, I don't think who the VP is matters. But I do think that those are the viable paths that I see going forward. Just in case anyone thinks that Vivek is exaggerating here about his prescience,

we have it. Here he is during the presidential debate, predicting that this very thing would occur. I also want to close with one message to the Democrat Party. End this farce that Joe Biden is going to be your nominee. We know he's not even the president of the United States. He's a puppet for the managerial class. So have the guts to step up and be honest about who you're actually going to put up so we can have an honest debate. Biden should step aside, end his candidacy now so we can see whether it's Newsom or Michelle Obama or whoever else.

Just tell us the truth so we can have an honest debate. All right, all right, that's enough. That's enough of the truth. Get that out of here. You called it. They roasted me as a conspiracy theorist after that one because this is quite early. and even dating back to last spring. But nonetheless, there are some of the things I was right on.

I wish I had not been right on. This one I feel less, it's neither good nor bad. It's just what's true is forget less about the individual. The other side does not see the world in terms of individual agency anyway. They believe in a collective machine. That's what we're up against, and that's what we're going to defeat. So you raise the possibility that maybe the Democrats won't follow Biden's lead. They won't go with Kamala.

Maybe they'll pick a Michelle Obama, even. would you bet on some kind of convention fight? Can I just stop you on the follow Biden's lead? Like even even the notion that he's Biden's leader has ever been Biden's lead at all. I think it makes the essence of what's happening, right? Yeah. There's been no sense in which there's been a Biden lead at any point in his president. Right.

He is a hollowed out husk of a U.S. president, a stuffed suit, that they wield as a pawn, right? The idea that Biden has led to anything is a joke. So the idea of following his lead is itself, I think, with respect and incoherent concept. It is. It's farcical. Just the concept doesn't exist. So the question is what the machine determines. It's a great point. You know, him saying that today was part of the machine.

That cog was doing what is supposed to do. As I said earlier, Vivek, I'm not even convinced the man knows that he tweeted that. We will have to stay tuned. Thank you very much for taking time out of your Sunday when Biden, decided to screw up all of our Sunday afternoons. But thank you. Thank you for coming on. Take care. We'll have to have you back soon so that we can figure out what's going to happen in the next three to six months.

You know, we got to keep, I don't know how to make... My only advice, it's actually very simple. Follow the incentives, add them up, and the future actually becomes relatively clear. It's often far simpler than it is complicated. Just follow the incentives and see where that takes you. That is too common-sensical. That is spoken like a man who has done well in business. You know Vivek, that is no place in politics.

Simple incentives. Thank you, sir. Thank you for coming on. We will be having Ben Shapiro coming on soon enough. I thought, why isn't he here right now? What the heck is going on? This is not Shabbat. I don't know what golf course Ben is on right now.

But we will be hearing from Ben very shortly. And I look forward to his. I can't figure out if it's going to be glee. Because he had an excellent episode of facts come out just a couple of days ago saying, okay, what happens when Biden gets out? So, you know, he also clearly saw this coming. And then he can bring not only political analysis, but legal analysis, to what happens just legally through the Democratic National Committee,

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I'll light up one of my Michael Nulls show candles. I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about Mayflower, but maybe I'll spark one of those up. Who knows? Who knows what will happen? I don't know that Joe Biden knows right now. We're getting some breaking news. This is from Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom has come out. Will he endorse Kamala?

Will he? Oh, no. I don't see any Kamala endorsements here. President Biden has been an extraordinary history-making president. Well, that's true. He has made history. He's maybe the most failed president in American history. I'm trying to think of a James Buchanan maybe would go down as worse or I don't know. Millard film, maybe, I don't know. I mean, Biden makes Chester A. Arthur look like, you know, Lincoln or Roosevelt or something.

But he says Biden's been an extraordinary history-making president, a leader who has fought hard for working people and delivered astonishing results for all of Americans. That's true. The results have astonished us. We didn't realize how bad things could actually get in the course of just three years. He will go down in history as one of the most impactful and selfless presidents. I love that word impactful, which is a nonsensical word. It's just, you know, he's a president that's just so full of impact. You know, he's just absolutely bursting at the seams, filled to the brim with impact and selfless presidents. So nothing here other than, hey, Joe, thanks for getting out of the race, but I'm not endorsing Kamala. we have Mr. Shapiro on the line. Ben, Ben, where are you? Why am I sitting here? Why aren't you sitting here?

time where you are able to go off on vacation a little bit, enjoy your life a little bit. But every Sunday something terrible happens or something wonderful happens, depending on your perspective. And we're all back at work, right? So, you know, I will have an emergency episode of the podcast that much later tonight. I was not to get on a plane. But, you know, such as life. Joe Biden is out to ruin America and he's ruined my life as well. So there we have it.

I said this when I got the call that he had made this post, sweet little Alisa did turn to me. She goes, oh, no. And I thought, this is Biden. His last act as the Democrat nominee is to screw up all of our Sundays. So what's your take? You saw this happening. You had an excellent episode of facts come out, what, two days ago on what happens and what will happen, you know, imminently when he gets out of the race. So you've seen he's endorsed Kamala Harris. The Clintons have come out and endorsed his endorsement of Kamala Harris. Gavin Newsom has come out and endorsed his dropping out, but not his endorsement of Kamala Harris. we've got the Democratic National Convention less than a month away. We've got the ballot deadlines, and at least Ohio, just for the nominee to get on the ballot coming up much sooner than that.

So what happens? Well, I mean, I think that what happens, first of all, there's a good episode of fact that we put out, as you say, a couple of days ago. That says exactly what happens next if you were to drop out. We also have a three-part series on Scamala, Kamala Harris, that is available at Daily Wire. Plus, also available at YouTube. So people should check that out if they want to know what the next nominee looks like. She will be the nominee. The consolidation behind her is too solid.

It's too fast. No one is going to have the stomachs to go up against both the Obama's and the curtains in the middle of all of this. Nancy Pelosi's come out in favor of her for a little jipollic. The consolidation is incredibly quick. He knew it had to be. The problem, of course, is it just wildly incompetent and unpopular vice president. So does that mean that Donald Trump still has the upper hand? It does.

But this race changed dramatically. In one real sense, the Biden failure here was a mass debate and so. The entire Republican Party shifted its focus from the failures of his policy to the failures of his brain. And because of that, that took focus off of the failure of his policy, which is the thing you actually have to run against if you're running against Kamala. Because her brain may be screwed up in very different ways than Joe Biden. And so the sort of attempt to mold her together that's kind of stifle her to Biden is going to have to be done on a policy basis. It's going to be very difficult to do that on a personal basis. She has her own independence and avoidables.

but anything looks better than an actual walking corpse as the presidential candidate. But she's still alive. Words come out of her mouth that actually sound like words, even if the sentences don't sound like sentences. And so in that sense, it will be an upgrade. Obviously, Democrats will be much more likely to get out to vote now. The Democratic voter turnout is going to be jazzed by this, particularly in the black community.

You would assume the media are going to try and weave a story where it's 1,000 to take on Kamala Harris is temper a new book. She's a new person. All of that may be false, but it's such a short time. time until the election that it takes a little while to bump these particular sorts of narratives. Now, again, she is somewhat set in the public imagination, but certainly not in the same way that Joe Biden was set or Donald Trump is set in the public imagination. So it's going to be up to Donald Trump and the Trump campaign to really define her in the public eye. She's been in the public eye, but she's

secondary in the public eye. She's not been primary in the public eye. Yeah, I think basically no one knows anything about her. I mean, even Politicos don't know how to pronounce her name. So, so she's a blank slate for the Democrats to draw on or for the Republicans to draw on. You know, to get to the mendacity of the media for a moment, you know, in 2020, the same media who have spent the last several weeks openly discussing Biden's obvious senility and dementia, in 2020 said that it was just a recurrence of a childhood stutter. And today I saw coverage on CBS News. they said, you know, Joe Biden, he was known for his whole career since the 70s as one of the great orators of the Senate.

And when he lost his ability to speak, that was the sign that he had to get out of the race. And I thought, you people, you, you liars, you frauds, you told us three years ago that his inability to speak was no big deal. And actually, it had been happening for decades. So, of course, they'll try to paint Kamala as, you know, some living saint or something like that. can they do it? You know, what is the Republican definition of Kamala before they have the chance? So I think you really have to define Kamala as a principal-free person who, if anything, is very radical. She is, in fact, incredibly corrupt. Her entire career has been failing up. She's incompetent. She was given control of the border. She failed on that. She was given control of a wide variety of other issues.

She's fentanyl, for example. She failed on those. There's going to be a lot to mind. with Kamala, but it's not going to be nearly as easy as it was with Joe Biden. And again, as you say, because the, I think Republican politicos feel that Kamala is pretty well defined, but the general public has not seen her as particularly well defined. The only people who remember her, remember her from the primary. They didn't like her very much, but they like her better now because it was a Democratic primary, and now she's vice president of the United States. The general American public doesn't like her very much. That's a reflection of Biden's policy, not a reflection of her. So I think that the biggest thing that Republicans can do is continue to keep a spotlight on Kamala

Harris. What Democrats have done that's very smart here is they have again reshifted the conversation away from whom this is a referendum on. So again, my entire take on this campaign was going to be if this election was a referendum on Biden, Biden loses. If it was a referendum on Trump, Trump loses. Well, by getting Biden out of the race, this election once again can easily turn into a referendum on Trump. So I think that again, Trump has an advantage in the polls. They're running a relatively unknown candidate who is very uncharming, who really great on the ear. But with that said, if she is seen as less controversial than Trump, if Trump is not incredibly disciplined from here on in,

this could turn into a real race again pretty quickly. And I think also it'll be interesting to see who she picks his VP. I don't think that typically matters a lot, but I think it matters in terms of defining her as a candidate. Because she's such an unknown, who she picks his VP is going to be a good indicator to the public as to how she's thinking. In the same way that it's sort of picking J.D. Vance was obviously Donald Trump's

attempt to appeal to Rust Belt states, maybe some of the traditional conservative base socially, I think that who she picks is going to speak to how she wants to be perceived. So if she picks somebody who's perceived as somewhat moderate, let's say she picks like Andy Quilvichar from Minnesota, or let's say she picks Josh Shapiro from Pennsylvania, or Andy Bashir from Kentucky, then that's going to be seen as a moderation play by Kamala,

and that's going to be a smart pick. If she picked somebody who's perceived as somewhat more radical, then let's say Gavin Newsom, for example, that'd be a huge mistake by her. Bottom line is this entire race, just got turned upside down and got completely reshuffle. anybody who pretends they have an excellent read on this race, five minutes after Joe Biden dropped out,

there is no good read on this race at this point. The polling data does not matter because the polling data was assuming, everybody was like, okay, well, would I vote for Kamala? You don't know anything about Kamala. You're just kind of saying you order you wouldn't. Now that she's at the top of the ticket, it radically changed everything.

The two things that I think that she is vulnerable on in terms of the sort of political line, vulnerability number one, she was complicit in this cover-up. And Republicans should hammer her for this. She was obviously, like up until last week, she was saying he was perfectly fine, he's totally normal, everything is fine. They should immediately put out a series of ads labeling her a liar because she is a liar. They should, they should hit her with the dishonesty. Only 18% of Americans actually believe that Joe Biden was

mentally fit for the presidency, and the vast majority of Americans, and the 80% of Americans believe that anyone who defends Joe Biden's mental fitness is a liar. So they should be hitting her on that right away. The second thing is that Joe Biden is not resigning the presidency, and so serious pressure should be put on her to explain why she's not invoking a 25th Amendment. If he's truly senile enough, he can't run for a second term, then why exactly is she sitting by and watching if he completely destroys the world? She is complicit in every one of his policies because she has the power today to take him off the seat. She has the power today to get her cabinet mobilized. It's actually her job to do that, and she's not doing that, which means she is now responsible for all of his activities from now until the election.

That's right, because, you know, if he doesn't actually resign the presidency, then you're talking about six or seven months of a man who is admitting that he's two senile. to run. That's obviously very dangerous. If I'm Xi Jinping or Vladimir Putin, I'm paying close attention to that. You bring up the potential running mates. We've heard some rumor in the Beltway press that it could be Shapiro. No relation, I hope. Shapiro in Pennsylvania or Bashir in Kentucky. Do you have any bets? I would probably bet. I think it's very difficult to see Shapiro. I think that the basis of the Democratic Party, I mean, not to be blunt about this, but I'll be blunt about this. I don't think it's a Jewish vice president. Yeah, I mean, I think it's that simple.

I really do. I mean, by the way, I've heard that from Democratic Congress people. So, I mean, that's not just me saying that. Like, there's a solid base in the Democratic Party that does not want to see a Jew in the second position in the middle of the Israel conflict. So I think that it's more likely that she goes with somebody like a, like a Bashir. I could see a world where they're so intoxicated by the intersectionality that they actually go stretching with Mer in Michigan. And the hope that wins them Michigan and also creates the first all-female take. One of the things that's happened in this election type was this massive, large gender gap between the Democrats and the Republicans.

Males are overwhelmingly voting for Trump. Females, particularly single females, are overwhelmingly voting for the Democratic ticket. And so you could really exacerbate that by putting another woman on the ticket and then basically daring Donald Trump to be super success, right? And then just try to drive out female votes in the swing states, focus in on abortion, focus in on male females divide and really polarize the country along those lines. That wouldn't be super shocking. I think it's stupid. But I think it wouldn't be super shocking to see them at times something like that because they're always going for the historic first. And so why not have the first historic all females, I guess?

Turning the White House into the Longhouse does not seem like the best campaign appeal. But maybe, maybe these days. So we still don't know if it's officially Kamala. I was just talking to Vivek who said, look, maybe there's a chance they push for Michelle or something at the convention. No way. No way. Yeah. Not a chance. It's Kamala. It's Kamala.

I mean, listen, Vivek's right. Also, it's gone on. Like, that's all wishcasting. You know, Michelle is not coming in. She has no interest in coming in. I think the real question for somebody like a Josh Shapiro is whether he actually wants to sign up with his ticket, given all the myriad weaknesses. You might want to wait another cycle.

Honestly, like, if you're a Democrat, it's a pretty risky cycle. So maybe what you want to do is wait, see Kamala Harris, you don't like very much anyway, go down in plans to Trump, figure the midterms will go against the Republicans and then run in 28. That is a serious consideration for everyone, except maybe Bashir, who's thinking seriously about running for president. Right. And of course, if you're Kamala, you know, unlike a Gavin Newsom who might think, look, I'll be viable in 28. I'll be viable in 32 for goodness sakes. With Kamala, this is kind of her shot. So I see why she's another shot. And then she lucked into it. What, what, I think, come on. Like, she has no shot at being elected dog catch her anywhere else.

So they, this or bust for Kamala Harris. Last question before I let you get back to enjoying your Sunday until you don't get to enjoy your Sunday anymore and have to do your emergency episode of the Benchaburo show. You mentioned that the focus will have to be. be on issues. The Vake actually made a similar point. He said, you know, we're running against the machine. We're not running against the individual of Joe Biden or Kamala anyway. So Kamala has made abortion a big hobby horse, certainly since the Dobbs ruling, and frankly, while she was in Senator and AG in California. So is that it? Is that her big issue that she's running on? What are the issues that dominate from the Harris campaign and then also from the Trump campaign attacking the

heritist campaign. I think there are a few things that she's going to do. I think number one, she is going to run on abortion. I think number two, she is going to run on the idea that Donald Trump is a candidate of access and she's not going to have to have to January 6th and go. She will run on an age now. She actually will. She'll say Donald, and you've seen this line being retailed almost immediately that you said that there were two candidates, but the parties, you know, the general public didn't like either candidate because they were too old. I'm 59, he's 78. We just got our old candidate out. Why is he still in? Do you really want this generation of politicians running? It's a really cynical play, but I would not be shocked at all if they attempt to do that. In terms of some of

the other issues that I think that she'd probably focus on, again, I think that she's going to go into the, I'm a prosecutor mode, the same what she did when she first entered the Senate, say, I'm going to prosecute the case against Donald Trump. Now, as for Trump and the issues, obviously, he's got an enormous number of issues that he can focus in on. The thing that scares me about the current situation if you're Republican, again, I'm a Trump's owner. I want him to win. I mean, make no mistake. I still think he has the advantage. But the thing that it has to be kind of knowing it's bit of your stomach is this feels a lot now, like sort of the distracting, the distraction that we had in the Mehmed Oz versus John Federman race, where the entire Republican Party

centered in on the fact that John Federman was mentally disabled, actually, for a large portions of that race because of the stroke. And the people just went, okay, yeah, but we don't like Mehmed Oz very much. And so I think that that's what Republicans have to worry about, especially in the aftermath of this, we've spent so much time focusing in on the fact that Joe Biden is mentally unfit for the office. How do you switch now back to the policy? So it can You can hammer her on the board. You can hammer her on her comments on health care. You can do all this.

But it's going to have to be an over-the-top straight at the issues thing. And again, I think that Trump's tactic of taking on personalities here is going to be a little bit less successful than it otherwise would be, specifically because it's not Biden. I think that he runs the real risk of, let's put this way. If he makes the entire campaign about Willie Brown, which I think is going to be a temptation for him, I don't think that that's going to be a particularly smart strategy because he's, again, what she's hoping for is for him to act on hinge. This entire campaign now rests on can Donald Trump control himself. If Donald Trump can control himself will be president of the United States. If he acts on hinge, then she's going to try and play moderate for a hot second until she

is elected president in her own right. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I think a hopeful sign, you know, you were watching the RNC the whole time. I was there in the room for a fair bit of it. And Trump and his supporters seemed very focused. certainly more so than perhaps we'd seen in the more eccentric and routy 2016 campaign, but even open to the possibility that Biden would not be the nominee.

So the Trump campaign had been signaling, look, we might not even be running against Biden. To me, that's a very good sign. I think Trump's in a much better position than he was in 2016, specifically because there have now been massive provision structures that have been created in favor of people voting for Trump, right? That's why you're seeing all the tech grows suddenly coming out and saying nice things about Trump. They might have secretly said it before, but now, they're openly saying it. So that that few weeks gap between the debate and now did heavy war for Trump because it created an opening where people could suddenly say, you know, I'll actually think about voting

Trump and say it openly. Not just to say it to themselves, say it openly. And that permission structure makes a very difficult to portray Trump as kind of the wild, radical, insane person that Democrats are trying to portray it as. So it's a fresh race on both sides. I mean, we're talking about it's a fresh race for Republicans against Democrats. It's kind of a fresh race for Democrats against Republicans as well, because Trump has been somewhat redefined in the public eye as the moderate and as the person who's actually the candidate of solidity in this campaign. And so Harris is going to have to once again go back to the well and try to prove that Trump is unhinged and radical. And if Trump can avoid that, then again, I think he retains the advantage.

All right. That gives me a little bit of hope, even as we're all, I think people are really mixed today. I don't know what to think. I'm glad that we've been vindicated and that now even Biden is admitting or his handlers are admitting that, yeah, you're right. I'm not glad we've been vindicated. I wish that he had stated in all the way. Yeah, I was pulling. I mean, that's just because, again, the Democrats, the Democrats kept lying and they were lying and lying and lying. And now we have to hear all this crap about, I mean, I was frankly enjoying the specter of Democrats the first time in my lifetime

being asked difficult questions by the media. And now we go right to Kamala Harris is wonderful. And Joe Biden is a hero for stepping down, ignoring the fact that if Joe Biden had been leading by five, he never would have stepped down. It wouldn't have mattered how he was. Right. I did say a few, more than a few days ago, I guess, said, guys, I know it's fun, but we need to stop making.

jokes about how Biden's brain is putting until August 18th. Then you can make all the jokes again, but we need to wait until he's formally the nominee. So now we've got a new nominee. Ben, I will let you get back to it. And then everyone will see your show later. Thank you for coming on. We've got Hermit Dillon. Harmeet Dillon from the Republican National Committee will be coming on very soon. I don't think we have her yet, but we've got a lot more coming out. The endorsements keep coming in. and how people are, you know, trying to get to know the woman who will very likely be the nominee of the Democrat Party for the next three months. In case you're not familiar with Kamala Harris, in case you're, in case you're burdened by what we have been, you know, and you can't see what we could be. Well, here's just a little glimpse at Kamala.

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What could be unburdened by what had been? What can be unburdened? by what has been. Well, it just, sorry, I've got a, I just had a little mist in my eye after that beautiful, beautiful rendition. We have Professor Jacobs sneaking into my studio. Are you trying to hand me even more updates? Thank you very much.

We got a statement from Obama, baby. Oh, wow, I've got a long one. Oh, man, classic Obama, you know. Obama's statement on Joe Biden dropping out of the 2024 race is significantly longer than Joe Biden's statement. I'm dropping it. Oh, classic. The guy who wrote Dreams from My Father, of course, he's a little prolix.

All right, whatever. We'll get to it in a second. I want to talk to Harmeet Dillon first. We have Harmeet, a member of the Republican National Committee, former vice chairman of the California Republican Party, just all around GOOP Guru. Hermit, thank you for taking the time. Absolutely. Thanks for having me.

So were you surprised? I'm about 15% surprised. Well, I think it's been sort of a crazy whiplash over the last few days. Damns have clearly been trying to push Biden out for a period of weeks, and if not months, some of them months, I suspect, and they set up this debate early to do that. And yet Biden didn't want to go. So there was a widespread speculation at the R&C convention last week as to how they're going to pull it off.

They needed to get him out of the way. He didn't want to go. So there will be fascinating books written about the last 48 hours in politics, I'm sure. Of course, of course. So, you know, not only are you a politico, you know, with a lot of influence in the Republican Party, but you actually have a hard skill, which is that you're a lawyer. So I'm curious about what happens legally at this point. You know, the parties can run their own primaries and their conventions,

and they can pick their nominee, and there are some rules around that. There are laws pertaining to ballot access who gets on the general election ballot come November. We've heard now that some states, notably Ohio, have ballot deadlines earlier than the Democratic National Convention. This is all before Biden even dropped out of the race. So just in terms of the nuts and bolts of it, how does Kamala become the nominee now, if she is to become the nominee? And if not, how does someone else do it? Super Democrat lawyer, Mark Elias, just tweeted out that, to be clear, there is no ballot access issue and whoever the nominee is will be on the ballot in all 50 states.

I think they're going to have to litigate to do that in at least a couple of places. But it's correct that in both states there's going to be no problem. I think they're a bigger problem. And by the way, people have also asked about campaign finance issues and so forth. Dems can transfer that Biden money to a super PAC and start raising money all over again in twist the same billionaires to hand over cash to them. So in a way, that's a fundraising advantage, which I think Republicans need to understand is that Dems can raise even more money by... So are you saying, Hermit, even money that is in a campaign pack, that they could transfer that

out to a super PAC that could support, you know, I guess, any candidate that wanted to? Is it is that simple? They can just, absolutely, it's a dark money slush fund now, and they can just start all over again fresh, absolutely. So that's not an impediment. And in fact, you know, Republicans are always gloating. Oh, we raise more money than the Democrats. Hey, the Democrats raised more money than us consistently. They do it through dark means. They do it through pseudo-nonprofits. They do it 19 different ways that the RNC never even dreamed about, which is one of the reasons why, you know, I wanted to run last year and change our system. But anyway, here we are today. And I think that we should not be all as much as Kamala Harris is.

And I've seen her up close. I'm doing this interview from San Francisco where I've lived for almost 25 years. I've seen her up close. She is a lightweight. She is a joke. She is a DEI higher and throughout her career. But she's not really the problem here. Look at the Federman election.

Look at Joe Biden getting elected. The Democrats are with their chokehold on the electoral system. and dark money, they have a formidable advantage in that sense, and they can get any puppet elected. And so we need to be super focused as Republicans reaching out across the aisle to disaffected Democrat voters. Every voter who voted for Joe Biden in the primary, 15 million of them, should feel betrayed right now. And I think there are opportunities to pick up votes over there. And there are opportunities to pick up people who are turned off by DEI politics and the Biden administration. And so I think there's just a lot of opportunities here, but we have to be very disciplined

to the party, very united. And really the unity that I saw at the RNC convention, we have to be super disciplined and stick to that and continue to rack up victories and pick up voters. I think the time is primed for that. Americans are sick and tired of the fentanyl, of the open border of the high inflation of not being able to afford groceries, of the extremism of ninth term abortions and of the insistence that it should be legal and okay to mutilate American children and have men take girls' trophies. All of these things are antithetical to America and we have a lot of opportunities if we stay united. It's a really great point on DEI, Harmeet, which is that, you know, this past week, some have said it's the death of DEI because of the

absolute failure of the Secret Service Director to protect President Trump, nearly assassinated a week ago, exactly. And she has been a large proponent of DEI. She said she wanted to make the Secret Service 30% female by 2030. And it seems like that's the culmination of this really poisonous ideology of DEI, which almost ended up getting the most popular presidential candidate in 2024, a former president himself killed. So this would be the time to focus on that. And Joe Biden explicitly picked Kamala Harris as a DEI running mate. He said, I'm going to pick a black woman. Which black woman?

I don't know, but I'm going to pick her specifically based on her sex and her skin color. He looked like he had three choices back in 2020. Kamala Harris, Karen Bass, who's an actual communist, and Susan Rice, who was the fall man for Benghazi. So Kamala kind of got it by default. DEI and the tangible consequences of that woke ideology, it's a pretty good campaign issue. Harmeet, I'm going to let you go. I'm sure you're going to be on a zillion other shows probably right now. But thank you so much for taking the time.

Thanks for having me. Before I let all of you go, here's Obama's statement. Joe Biden, it's so long. I'm going to try to shorten this, this verbose blabber mouth. Joe Biden has been one of America's most consequential presidents, as well as a dear friend to me. Today we've also been reminded again that he's a patriot of the highest order. 16 years ago, and I began, I really liked Biden since taking office.

Boy, isn't he great. More than that, he's pointed us away from how bad Trump is. I'm paraphrasing, but only slightly. This outstanding track record gave Biden every right to run, except his brain turned to pudding, so he's not going to run. He never backed down from a fight. Blah, blah, blah. We're going to be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead,

but I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. So notice, and no endorsement of Kamala. This is going to fuel the flames of Michelle's going to sweep in and take it. He says, for now, Michelle and I just want to express our loving gratitude to Joe and Jill. Interesting. So two people who came out, thank Joe, but didn't endorse Kamala Harris, or, sorry, two families, one of which includes two people.

Thank you, Professor Jacob, handing me even more statements coming in. One is Gavin Newsom, who obviously wants to be the nominee, who obviously wants to be the nominee. And now this is going to fuel those fever dreams and fantasies. Is Michelle going to be the nominee? And then a statement finally from Kamala Harris, who is endorsed by Biden. On behalf of the American people, I thank Joe Biden for his extraordinary leadership as president of the United States and for his decades of service to our country. His remarkable legacy of accomplishment is unmatched in modern American history, surpassing the legacy of many presidents who have served two terms in office. Yeah, okay.

The guy can barely make it through one. It is a profound honor to serve as his vice president, and I'm deeply grateful to the president, Dr. Biden, and the entire Biden family. I first came to know President Biden through his son, Bo. We were friends from our days working together as attorneys general of our home states. Also weird capitalization there. Whoever wrote all of these statements for the Democrats today, has the, I don't want to sound like it gets weird either, but they all have the same weird ticks in terms of their inappropriate capitalization. Makes the whole thing seem even stranger. Anyway, like Joe, like Bo. With this selfless and patriotic act, President Biden is doing what he has done

throughout his life of service, putting the American people and our country above everything else. I'm honored to have the president's endorsement. My intention is to earn and win this nomination. Over the past year, I've traveled across the country, talking with Americans about the clear choice in this momentous election. That is what I will continue to do in the days and weeks ahead. I will do everything in my power to unite the Democratic Party and unite our nation. Two, and then my producer didn't give me the rest of the statement, but I think I can pull it up on the internet. So that's fine. To defeat Donald Trump in his extreme project 2025 agenda.

So here again, the Democrats know they don't really do that well anymore running against Trump. So they're running against Project 2025, which is a personal. program from the Heritage Foundation, the most established right-wing think tank, and it's actually, it's terrific, but Biden or Trump rather has pointed out he's not directly involved in it, he's distanced himself from it. So that again, it seems like they're grasping at straws. We have 107 days until Election Day. Together we will fight. And together, we will win, says Kamala. Sounds a lot like she is already the nominee. It's changing by the minute. That's all we will be discussing today. Tune into the Michael Null show.

tomorrow you get more of it. I'm Michael Knowles for The Daily Wire. See you when the next shoe drops.