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Episode Date: June 28, 2023

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Hey, Michael Knowles here. The latest episode of Daily Wire Backstage is available now. Join me, and a star-studded Daily Wire cast as we discuss the most important news of the day, the cultural insanity spreading across the country, and take live questions from the viewers, all while enjoying a wonderful cigar. Take a listen. Welcome to Daily Wire Backstage, brought to you by ExpressVPN. I am not Jeremy Boring. I am Michael Knowles. Jeremy was otherwise occupied this evening in all the amazing and multiplied projects that we're doing right now. I am joined tonight. I am joined by nobody. Nobody else has made it to the set. So it's me. And we, oh, hey, all right, there we go. Joined by Ben Shapiro. Thank you, sir. How are you?

Is, uh... No, good, good to see you. Um, yeah, so I asked someone else to be here tonight, actually. There's a conversation. I've been waiting for a long time to have with you. But every time I want to have this conversation... About like 2024 or... Yeah, no. I'm waiting for like almost 10 years. Oh. To be frank to have this conversation. But every time I start to have this conversation, Jeremy walks in and just kills it dead.

Is he coming? Is he... No. No, he's not. Actually, I was going to have Chris from HR step in. I don't know if I know Chris. For a second. Well, does he have thoughts on... Stopping by. He has thoughts on like Russia. Yeah, Chris.

Yeah, I appreciate it. Michael, great to see you. How you doing? Hey, yeah. Great. So, yeah, it's mostly to prevent me from creating liability for the company that I asked Chris to be here. So, like, there are certain things I'm not allowed to say, like, that you should die in a car fire, apparently. Like, I was told by HR that I'm not allowed to say that. Yeah. But anyway, I felt like now was, like, a great opportunity for a job performance review. Oh, good. We should have been having these annually. Yeah, I agree. Totally, yeah. Again, Jeremy kept stepping in and not allowing that to happen. So now we're going to do that, actually. because he's not here. So let's... You want to talk about, like... So we're going to go all the way back to like 2015, 2016, right?

So when you started... My best-selling blank book. We'll get to that. So when you started at the company, you were originally hired with some job descriptions and duties, including, for example, being in charge of social media.

Oh, yeah. And you proceeded to never post anything on social media, but you did take a lot of audition calls in the office. And sometimes out of the office. That's right. You didn't get any movies out of them.

by the way, but you were an unemployable person, so we apparently just kept paying you. Yeah. But don't forget, there was a span of like three or four weeks when I didn't show up to the office. Because I was shooting, I was filming a project right before that election, I remember. And never really saw the light of day, didn't it?

Yeah, what, did you didn't see them, you don't watch the movie? Did it, what, was there a movie? Yeah, not for daily wire. It didn't make any money for Daily Wire. Yeah, or ever. Yeah, in any case. So, you know, at that point, we probably should have called HRM, but again, Jeremy kept stepping in, you know, and telling me I couldn't have this conversation, but he's not here tonight.

So then you, then we decided for, I mean, Jeremy, decided to give you a podcast. I guess because I actually was looking up your credentials before the show and you went to Yale. And those were your credentials. There was nothing else. I could not find any other productive thing that you had done in your entire life. But as I mentioned, number one, national bestselling. author. Yeah, then, then as I recall, you somehow scam me into giving a blurb to a blank book. And I did that. And then you proceeded to not only make several hundred thousand dollars off

of that blank book. I then proceeded to get you a book contract for that same exact blank book that had already sold several hundred thousand copies, again, because my blurb was on it. And at that point, I wanted to have this conversation as HR can attest. It's in the file. And still, Jeremy stepped in and stopped it. So over the course of the last eight to ten years, I would say that you've probably cost the company, a couple million dollars, maybe three. Right. And the return on investment has been, shall we say, disappointing. And between that and the fact that you, we've had complaints, many complaints, almost too many to count.

The file cabinet is breaking about you walking around shirtless in the office. Yeah, you're welcome, by the way. We have like actual dressing rooms where you could put a shirt on. So tonight is the night. I have been waiting for nearly all of my professional life. And so, Chris, you have the paperwork with you, I believe. I do. It's really less of a performance review and more of an excellent interview. What was it like working here, Michael? And what do you see is the biggest problems with the company? So I guess my, I guess the only problem that I would see right now is if I leave the show,

then you're the only guy doing the show, right? How long? Guys, how long is this show? 90 minutes. Do we have any advertisers? You. They're paying us money? Oh, it'll be a lot.

So there's money. So I lose money if Michael, for the first time ever. Michael being fired would lose me money is what you're saying right now. Chris, can we do this a little late? I'll come back in two hours. I appreciate that. Thanks. Thanks, guys.

Listen, man, man, I'll take it. what I can get, you know, in the long run, we're all dead. Thanks, thanks for stopping by guys. I appreciate it. I'll see you a little bit. Well, so, uh... So, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Anything you talk about? Well, yeah, no, I actually, I did, I did, yeah, sorry, my mind kind of...

I had a few different thoughts there. So the Wagner group, you know those guys? I was thinking about, you know, the coup d'etat. Actually, I do want to get to the Wagner group, but I legit. legitimately. So we should say for some people, the reason Jeremy wasn't here to protect my employment is because he's working on a hundred different projects right now. We've got Mr. Walsh is out. He might be on his way. He might not be on. Drew is alive. Drew is alive. I did have to ask about that. I'm glad to know that. Yeah. No, I was told that Drew is actually at some sort of event,

starring Drew, and my initial response was that it was a funeral. This is a starring role. Right. I figured who's in the coffin, but apparently that's not the case. But everyone, seriously, Everyone is doing all these different things right now. And so we can't all meet up to talk about the most important story, which is something about Hunter Biden with drugs and like a payoff and like, I don't know, what happened. That's true. That dude loves hookers and Coke and Parmesan cheese and not paying his taxes and paying off his father, apparently. But the thing, so they went after him.

Right. They go after Hunter and they say, okay, we've got all this information. We have hundreds of hours of videos of you committing all sorts of crimes all over the world. And so as a result of that, we're going to hit you with two misdemeanor tax crimes and sort of a gun charge. And a diversion. And a diversion. I like that it's called a diversion. First of all, like it's called the diversion, which sounds delightful.

I mean, I would like just in my normal life to have a diversion. So, yes, Hunter Biden was, we have him on tape, like, cavorting with prostitutes. And paying them to cross state lines to engage in said prostitution. Apparently, he was paying a secretary on the West Coast. And as we all know, secretary on the West Coast means a whore. So he was paying a prostitute. You're going to go after me from my shirtless changing room. We're going to get hit, Michael, at any point where you're a secretary on the West Coast.

In any case, yeah, the, so apparently the whistleblower has basically, the whistleblowers have a couple of things to say. Thing number one is that they are, they're saying that the attorney general basically stepped in and stopped the prosecutor in this case from charging in a couple of different jurisdictions. And there's pretty good support for that. Apparently there was a meeting October 7, 2022, in which this particular prosecutor was told by, was told by Merrick Garland that he was not allowed to prosecute whatever he wanted.

And he then told all of his lower downs, a guy named Shappley, who worked for the IRS, that he was not able to prosecute whatever he wanted. So it looks like a cover up by the Biden DOJ, which would not be surprising it anyway. Of course. And then there is that text message, which is insane. For those who have not been watching, there's a text message. It's a WhatsApp message. He says, I'm sitting next to my father.

He's writing, he's called, I'm doing the crime. I'm doing the crime. Member of the Chinese Communist Party, send me the money. I am, just in case you missed it, I'm sitting next to my phone. So I have a question, why is everyone in politics absolutely stupid? Were they all dropped on their heads as babies? Like, they're accused of crimes, and then there are actual tapes and texts of them doing the crime. Like, they're violating the first rule of doing crime, which is don't get caught doing crime.

But he's going to get away with it. Because the only, look, the hookers and the drugs and the whatever, it's all. I mean, first of all, sounds like an amazing Saturday night. It's of course. Yeah, the guy knows how to have a party. But the only crime I actually care about, the only crime that really matters to the public interest as a matter of national corruption is the shakedown selling American influence to the highest bidder all around the world. it looks like you got the Biden's dead to rights. It looks like it implicates Joe.

And nothing. Nothing. No one will even ask the questions. So in the media, they started to ask questions of the White House Press Secretary, the world's most talented White House Press Secretary and historic White House Press Secretary, who is historic because she's a black lesbian. And she said that she's historic, by the way. And they asked her multiple times about this.

She's like, I'm not going to comment on that. So you'll come on literally everything else, but this is the one thing where he won't comment on it. I mean, Joe is lying, right? So first, I liked the lawyerly sort of, massaging of the response. So it went from the original, the original statement by Hunter Biden's team and Joe Biden's team was Joe does not know anything about Hunter's businesses, which was always implausible. He was writing on Air Force 2-2 China to pick up business. And also, Joe and Hunter were in regular contact. It's not like they're estranged. I mean, they were talking the whole time.

And then it shifted to the president was not in business with Hunter. That is very lawyerly language. I mean, technically, I'm not sure that you and I are personally in business. Right. Like I have, I own a part of the company that employs you, but I'm not sure that you and I are technically in business. I've not signed a contract with you at any point. And I never gave you a cut of the Chai Com money that I've been getting from overseas yet, unless you, I don't. Why not supposed to say that on camera? Can we get Chris back in here? Can we?

Hold on. Yeah. No, of course. They use very, very specific language here. And, you know, I don't know. If I were to commit a heinous crime, like a financial crime with the Chinese communists or something like that, I would want to make sure that my digital track is covered up, which is why I would want to turn to ExpressVPN. Using the internet without ExpressVPN is like taking a call on a train or a bus on a speakerphone for everyone to hear.

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because I don't want to hear his stupid nonsense about how the aliens and the UFOs are going to come down from outer space and kill us all, so we can have an adult conversation about this. We agree on this. It's going to be a real short conversation. Thank goodness. I'm sick of it. I do not care about it. I want to take advantage of every second that I have of Matt Walsh

not being in this room because he keeps pedaling. Rubio was talking about this today. Did you see it? Really? Yes. Rubio was, he said, oh, I don't know. Oh, I don't, yeah. So what was Rubio's take on it?

Rubio said, I've heard from senior people in the government, who I respect, who are admirable, who say that they can't really explain this and it's technology that's beyond our capability. I mean, between that and him, like, kind of crapping on capitalism recently. I'm having some, I'm having some, I like Marco. He's a very nice man, and he's a good senator, and he needs to stop that. Stop with the UFOs, guys. Find something better to do. It's totally fake. It's demon.

By the way. Right? You and your demons. It's demons. Stop with your demonology. Do you don't think it's demons? I don't believe in demons. Really?

Do Jews not believe in demons? It's a controversial proposition. It depends on your definition of demon. It depends on your definition of Jew. Wait, that too. No, it's, like, if you're talking in sort of the, like, technical, there are spirits that wander the earth doing evil to people, demon way. Yeah. I, I, no.

Like, like. Okay. Anyway, we're talking about, we were just talking about it. Hunter Biden. Is there a balance what you're doing right now? No, we were just talking to. Oh, that's fine. Now, we were just talking about Hunter Biden.

Yeah, we weren't going to talk about aliens or UFOs or anything. Well, I haven't been following the news, so that's the only thing I can't talk about. Rubio's like half on your side. I hate it. Senator Rubio. Oh, on the UFOs. On the UFO thing? Yeah.

Apparently, he likes UFOs also. Are we going to talk about that right now? No. Anyway, so back to Hunter Biden. Yeah, so back to Hunter. Okay. Bottom line is that Hunter Biden is, Joe, is pretty obviously corrupt. No one's going to ask a single question about it. It'll all go away

tomorrow. And Joe is so blase about this that he's openly joking about it. There's video of him today being like, I stole, I sold secrets to the-s-he said he was selling state secrets. He literally literally joked openly about selling state secrets. And everybody's just going to move along with this. It would be great if we had a presidential candidate who could meticulously target the problems that Joe Biden presents. That would be, that would be awesome. Hey, so, you know, I know we can't do horse race this early. But should we do horse race? Is your, is your favorite candidate going to be the nominee? Donald John Trump?

Is he going to be the nominee? I mean, if I had to give odds, the answer is yes. I mean, I'd give him like 65, 35, 35 odds right now. Trump Kennedy, 24? Sweet. Wait, you're not baby gang. Are you into Bobby Jr.?

Into him? Yeah. I mean, if I had to choose a Democrat. Like, he's a really ripped hot guy, you know, like you... I don't really get the... If I had to choose a... If I had a gun to behead and had to choose a Democrat, I would choose him, but that's not saying much.

So... But could he... So, here's my argument for for Trump. He's making a good argument for testosterone replacement therapy. I'll be honest. Allegedly, reportedly. Dude, he did like eight push-ups and then picked up a, and then did like an inclined bench press with 45 pounds on it. Yeah. You don't get to look like that. Naturally doing 45-pound bench presses and doing eight push-ups. I'm just telling you, I work out an hour to an hour and a half a day and I don't look anything like that, man. Yeah. There's some unnatural things happening. So you know why the Trump Kennedy thing, though, look, I'm not saying I'm advocating for it, but Trump's

biggest weakness is on the COVID Vax and the way he handled it. Is that his biggest weakness? I think so. Of all the weaknesses, really, is it the COVID? I think, certainly with the Republican Party. Or is it the possible imprisonment? No, that's not a problem. Because you could be elected from prison.

You could be elected and pardon himself and then he's good. First of all, if I'm rooting for drama, like, that would be amazing way for season seven of Trump to end. Totally. That he's actually being sworn in in federal prison and then he just pardons himself. Yeah. You're like, put your hand on the Bible. He pardons himself and, like, bring me the pardon documents.

Yes. Like, bring them to me. And as our friend Alan Estrid has pointed out, as Jeremy has pointed out, the narrative demands the most wild, crazy, exciting conclusion. And that would be that. Matt, you're more pro DeSantis. Yeah, yeah. I mean, certainly. Well, when it comes to the primary, I think there are a lot of reasons why I prefer DeSantis over Trump. But when it comes to the primary, I'm kind of a single issue voter, which is, can you win in the general election? Because nothing else. else matters. So even if I agreed that Trump would be a better executive than DeSantis, which I don't, the bigger issues, I just don't see, I don't see his strategy for winning. And I've asked Trump supporters this for months. And it's not, it's not accusatory. I'm saying, how does he win? What's the plan? How does he actually win the White House? Because if you can't

win the White House, nothing else matters. Here's how he wins. Look, I'm fairly pessimistic on the whole him winning electoral shots for Republicans, period. And, and, uh, and for Trump, too. But Biden's negatives are way higher than they were in 2020. Countries in a different place. The base, I think, is more fired up for Trump. You look at some of those, again, I think the national polls this early are pretty silly, but some of them have Trump up over Biden. A lot of them have Trump up over DeSantis. Now, you might say, well, okay, the polls are bogus, or it doesn't matter because you're only talking about it. Is there a poll that has Trump beating a generic, doing better than a generic Republican over Biden? Yeah, a generic Republican or DeSantis.

Who is the number two guy? Generic Republican, first of all. No, I haven't seen that poll. Yeah, I mean, versus DeSantis, one of the things you have taken to account is lack of public knowledge for DeSantis as opposed to universal knowledge of Trump. But the bigger issue, as you mentioned, is that basically this election comes down to like five states, right? I mean, it comes down to Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, maybe Arizona and Georgia.

But if you lose either Arizona and Georgia, you lost the election, it's already over. So if it really comes down to three, right, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Trump is trailing in all three of those states by every poll that I've seen. I don't seem winning any of those. So what is this? How does he win? Well, his past... He magics some...

Yeah, no, look, I think it's very hard. I mean, I think the Democrats rigged the system in 2020. I'm not saying that Hugo Chavez, you know, went in and poked numbers or anything. We're just saying... You shouldn't because that would create legal liability for us. Yes, it turns out it's not true. It'll be Tucker and Michael on Twitter. But...

But... I'm not saying it has to be that, but they changed all the rules, and they changed the rules in a way that benefited Democrats in the case of Pennsylvania in a way that violated the state constitution. and it's easy enough to say, well, Republicans just need to ballot harvest. But it's very hard for Republicans to ballot harvest when our voters are all over the country and their voters are all in these machine cities where you can drive around for two hours and get all your ballot.

It's not that hard. Ron DeSantis did it in Florida. He ballot hard. Well, first of all. Yeah, he ballot harvested the living bleak out of the last election cycle. DeSantis also benefited, though, from a million new conservatives moving into the state. So the one that, okay, so I know Governor DeSantis is fairly well at this point since he's the governor of my state. and he is meticulous in this sort of stuff.

Like he's the, he's actually, he and Trump are almost polar opposites in terms of personality. Like, Trump does not care about policy. Desancus cares deeply about policy. Trump is not a policy wonky has instincts. Desantis is a policy wonk who really digs into this stuff. And when it comes to being meticulous

about how he pursues his political aims, Desances is really, really good at that. And so, for example, back in 2018, he writes about this in his memoir. Everybody who was watching that race, like this is a nail bite of with Gillum. Remember, he ended up winning by like 0.4%. And DeSantis said, and he just told me this himself, he said, we knew within the first hour of the election that they'd won.

Because they could see the numbers breaking, and they knew in each individual county the numbers that they had to hit. And they were hitting those numbers. They're like, this election's over. And there's no way that that's working. I mean, there was an interview with Trump where he was literally asked, I think it was by Seb Gorka about ballot harvesting. And he starts up saying, yeah, we'll do the ballot harvesting. And then at the very end, he's like, we don't even need the ballot harvesting. We're just going to win. And it's like that's not a strategy. I mean, so far his campaign has consisted largely of just shouting things on truth social. And I suppose that's working for him because, again, we're very, very early on. But, you know, he's also avoiding debates.

He hasn't really taken a punch yet. But his numbers keep improving. I mean, how do you make sense of that? Because he's the center of the narrative. He's the center of the narrative. And if the center of the narrative, here's the reality. No one wants to talk about Biden. Trump is innately interesting to talk about.

He's just a way more interesting person than Joe Biden. And by the way, you can tell us, I can tell us from my own data, right? Like, if I put Joe Biden in a thumbnail on YouTube, yes. Rating's death. Rating's death. No one wants to talk about Joe Biden. He's incredibly boring. We've actually done him a favor by talking about how he is no longer capable of forming

human sentences from his facehole. That's actually a favor to him because it makes him even more boring. And so when he does something that's truly terrible, we're like, you mean the genial old man who can't speak words from his facehole? And so, but Trump is magnetic. He's really interesting to talk about because he has no limits. I mean, he literally, we're making fun of Hunter Biden for, you know, saying that he was doing the crimes. Donald Trump is said that he did crimes.

I mean, you shouldn't do that. Yeah, kind of. No, not kind of. I don't buy it. Okay, so two things he made true once. One, he should not be prosecuted for this because Hillary wasn't. Yeah. Two, he said he did the crimes.

I'm sorry he did. What do you say? So they have some audio tape that they're playing. Some audio tape. It's some audio tape. Look, this beautiful audio tape. But they have it on CNN. And it's him saying, look, these are classified documents.

And I could have declassified them when I was press. president, but you know, I can't do it now or something, right? Yes. Yeah, okay. Which is the crime. Yeah. The literal crime. The crime is you are keeping classified documents that you could not declassified and you

did not turn those back into the National Archive. But what if... That's the crime. But what if he turns to the, I'll call it the Jordan Walker Project Veritas excuse and say, bro, I was literally lying. I did declassified him. The very fact that the president can declassify on a whim without answering to anybody why in the world would he say that to somebody?

That's like the worst defense in the entire world. That's like saying, that's like me telling you, I murdered my wife. After my wife was dead. And then later I was like, I was lying to you. And I said, I murdered my wife. I actually didn't murder my wife. Just to look cool. I told you I murdered my wife.

The reason he would say that is to avoid prosecution for this particular crime. But also, you're saying, why did Donald Trump say something outlandish? I mean, we could go back. But it's not, no, the thing, no, I'm saying that he has no defense to the thing that he said that's outlandish. And then he went on Brett Barron, who was like, there were newspapers I was talking about. And then in the tape, he's like, these are not. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm obviously.

Again, he shouldn't be prosecuted because there's a double standard and Hillary should have been prosecuted, okay? But here's the thing that I really dislike about the common discourse. And what about Bill Clinton when he stole the tapes and shoved to the stock for defense is garbage? Okay, like... Why was it garbage? The reason that it's garbage is because the Presidential Records Act only applies to presidential records. Records made by the Presidents of the United States in pursuit of his job. It does not apply to classified documents handed to the president

from a different agency. These are called agency records. These are defined in law. The Clinton's sock for defense that Tom Fitton has tried out. I know Tom, he's really nice guy. He's just wrong. It's not true. So again, I'll go back to my original point. Hillary Clinton should have been prosecuted. If Hillary Clinton had been prosecuted in 2016, by the way, then for America, it's kind of happily ever after. Really? Because number one, we would have now realized that, oh, people actually get prosecuted for this particular crime. And then presumably Trump wouldn't have gone and committed the crime. Literally in the tape, he says, these are exactly the type of documents that Hillary Clinton sent to Anthony Wiener. He says that in the tape, like, what are you doing? But you know what would have happened? Here's my question about this. Forget about the prosecution. Forget about him going to jail.

Maybe he gets off because he's in Fort Pierce. Fort Pierce, thank God, very conservative area. Maybe he gets a jury nullification jury. He did in Jersey too. Right. They could bring charges in Jersey. Well, they haven't yet. They haven't yet. Right. So right now we're just talking about Fort Pierce. So like, so let's say that that that that happens. Fine. I have a question just for Republican voters. He knows he has the world's biggest target on his back. This is the case he's been making since 2015, right? They're out to get me. They're out to get me.

Yeah. Let's say that you knew that everyone in the world was out to get you. would you then go commit the world's stupidest crime and then admit on tape to doing the world's stupidest crime or would you be uber careful about not doing that so to not take yourself off the board? I've said a thousand times, I overpay my taxes when Democrats are in office. Of course.

Okay, because I don't want these people breathing down my neck. I would much rather overpay my taxes and never have to deal with the IRS. Yeah. He makes it easy on them. Exactly. Why do you make it easy? That's one of the number one mark against Trump for me,

at least when you look at what actually happened as in office. And it's not the Vax. That's a problem too. But it's the drain the swamp. You know, you go in promising to drain the swamp. And it just didn't happen. Period. It didn't happen. I mean, infamously, Fauci not only stayed in his position, but was awarded a medal on the way out. And part of the reason he didn't drain the swamp, I think, is that he doesn't really understand the swamp. Is it the thing? You have to understand who these people are that you're up against. Now, it's the same thing on the other end where Trump's enemies don't really understand him either. Trying to make him out to be Hitler or some kind of fascist dictator. So you've got two people

going at each other that don't understand each other. But this is Trump's problems. He doesn't understand his enemies. I think DeSantis does understand his enemies much better than Trump. But I would still, not to take the conversation backwards, but even though I prefer DeSantis, if I could be convinced that, because I think another Biden presidency is a disaster for America, even bigger disaster than the first presidency was. If I could be convinced that Trump really did have a better chance of beating Biden than DeSantis would, that I would support Trump. I agree with you.

I would because I, we just, we cannot have an 82-year-old Biden taking office in 2024. We don't even know what does that look like. Do you think there's a dark horse? We're all talking Trump, DeSantis. Do you think there's a dark horse that could emerge? I mean, possibly if DeSantis really started to collapse in the polls, right? Who would be the dark horse? I've heard Glenn Yonkin's name.

Kamp, Brian Kamp from... Chris Christie. Shut up with Chris Christie, you and Chris Christie. Chris Christo? Is that, is that ironic in your part? You're saying, is it a bit, or am I serious about it? Is it a bit or you're serious? I'm asking myself that every day.

He started out as a little bit... He's... No, no, I'm not... I'm not advocating. Round mound or rebound? The guy went from... The guy went from 1% to like 6%%? He's at the hut.

Pizza. Okay, come on. That's not. That's not. The leaning tower of pizza. It's the chrysons. It's the croissants that we're waiting for. The guy... The guy's run a third in New Hampshire.

He loves the croissants. That's true. You were supposed to be describing Trump's path to victory. We haven't done that yet. Oh, yeah. I'm legitimately interested to hear. I'm telling you, I think that probably it's going to be very difficult for any Republican to win, whether it's. Okay, but you have to grade them. You have to grade them.

Is it easier for Trump's win or easier for DeSantis to win? I don't know. Don't get me in the eye. I don't know. I don't know. Here's the problem. Look, I really like Ronda Santos. I think he's a terrific governor and he's a very strong candidate.

The problem for Ronda Santosantis is that he's running in the Trump. lane. And his positions are Trump positions. His entire campaign pitch is, I'm going to do all the stuff that Trump said he was going to do, but was not able to do. That's a valid point. And let's say that that's true. People tend to, when given an option between the original and, you know, a new Coke, original classic and New Coke, they'll go for the original. They'll go for the OG. And he broke the mold in a way on certain policy positions, especially with trade and immigration and foreign wars. He broke the Republican mold. He's kind of a weirdo candidate.

He inspired people to vote who hadn't voted before, even if you might say, well, that's not going to take him over the finish line in 2024. I just think he is... I don't disagree with you. The real question about Trump, as a viable candidate inside the Republican Party, because no matter what I say,

people are going to vote, how are they going to vote. But the real question I have inside the Republican Party and what dynamic could change would be that Trump, and it's happened a couple times in the race so far already, and I think it could happen again, is that he actually gets boring again. When he's exciting and he's at the center of the news, then people just immediately resonate to him,

mainly in opposition to the left, because they feel like if the left is attacking him, then there must be something good there, which is an understandable, if reactionary response. If he gets boring again, then things could get bad for him. So, like, every time you think it's getting boring for him and he starts to drop in the polls,

a new exciting thing happens. Like, he gets indicted in Florida or something. So the thing is, I think that that's likely to continue happening, right? I think that he'll get boring, and then he'll get indicted in Georgia for election, for election interference. Yeah. He'll just keep getting these kind of narcotic boosts of, like cocaine hits.

Yeah, of course. Oh, my gosh. They're attacking Trump again. This is crazy. We need to rush to his defense. Now, the thing that could happen that could hurt him theoretically is if you'd get in a debate. But he's actually being a coward about this. Why would he get into a debate when he's 30 points up?

Because when you are in an open primary where you are not the incumbent president, you debate the people. But he kind of, the thing is weird about this racist. No, I totally agree. And he kind of is the incumbent, right? I mean, that's what's weird about this race, is he's not the incumbent. Obviously, Biden's the president. But we haven't been in the situation where you had a one-term president who runs again later.

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the Republic? Are we going to be able to... Oh, that's not as fun as what I talk about on my show. I want to talk, and I actually want your take on this. Yes. Did you get into a thing with Nikki Minaj? That is a thing that happened in my life I know nothing about this

I haven't followed and I always try to update Nikki's social media feeds I know you're big in that I'm a big Minaj head but what happened What happened with you? No Michael it's not a menage head You're a barb

If you are a Nicki Minaj fan you're a barb So that's why In a new Barbie movie? Is that that day? No you're just a bar I actually don't know where it comes from I think she has a song in the new Barbie movie movie right? Actually yes Yeah because a lot of people were commenting

on your post saying oh can you promote this for the Barbie movie, and people were saying Ben Shapiro is an undercover barb, which means that you're an undercover Nicki Minaj. You know what you call a group of three Nicki Minaj fans? Uh-oh. A menagerie a monaise atro.

Good night, everybody. I hope you enjoy a Dailywire backstage. So hold on. You're an undercover Barb? I don't even know what to say to that accusation. Anyway, this all came about because there is a song. A great emblem of Western Civilization. a piece of art so reminiscent of the great Gothic cathedrals of the 12th and 13th centuries,

it really just inspires you like a Beethoven symphony. It is called Pound Town, a town in which much pounding goes on. And also there is a second version of this song. It is called Pound Town 2, the revenge of Pound. I haven't heard it. How's it go? How does it go? Well, first I have to introduce you to the artist.

Her name is Sexy Yee, you Red. I say it's that because she has two wives at the end of sexy. for no reason other than apparently no one in the rap industry can spell. And also this way, I assume, as always, that this was her given name. That she came out of her mother and her mother said, behold, I shall call the sexy red. I think we have the music video. Do we really? Well, I'd like to introduce you all. Oh. Oh, come on. This isn't real. There's a toilet in the background. Why did you bleep this, but not the first thing. That in the start. Why did the bleep come? Selective bleeping.

Why don't it have to think about the colors of her orifices? So I did deconstructing the culture segment on this song. And as I say, this one is not the one that stars Nikki Minaj. There's a Pound Town 2, the revenge of Pound. Pound Town 2, more pounding. Electric Boogaloo. Pound Town 2, Electric Bougaloo. And that was it.

Pound Town 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2 pound 2 harder. Well, we just heard it's Pound Town 2. No, that was 1. No, that was 1. That was 1. Okay. So Pound Town 2 has Nicky Minaj. in it. She was like, this is such an inspiring song. I must take part in a remix titled Pound Town

2. And so I pointed that out while I was critiquing this masterpiece of Western civilization and the apex of our entire creative output since the dawn of time. And Nicky Minaj got mad at me. And so she then tweeted, and I read to you directly, quote, Roman said, leave his ass out of it, sir, no pun intended. Who's Roman? This is an excellent question. At first I thought, perhaps she is speaking of the emperors of old. Perhaps, this is a reference to, say, Claudius. Nero, perhaps Augustus. That was my assumption.

And it was not, as it turns out. So Roman is apparently, she plays many roles as Nikki Minaj. And one of the personalities she inhabits is apparently called Roman, a homosexual man. I know. And this required me to translate this because I don't speak stupid people. So it said, Roman said, leave his ass out of it, sir, no pun intended. I didn't know that there was a pun that was actually in it. And then I didn't know who Roman was.

So it took me like a solid, you know, I can knock out like a solid econ book in like three hours. This one took me at least six hours to figure out what this meant. And then I tweeted back at her because she said that Roman should leave his ass out of it. Not possible, Nikki Minaj, since you apparently have never recorded a song that left your ass out of it, which is accurate. She literally has not recorded a song ever that left her own ass out of it. So it's not possible for me to leave her ass out of it because her ass was in it. to which she responded in classic barb fashion.

Next time, I'll be sure to add my D, that is a word for the male appendage, so you can suck it, but suck is spelled S-U-K, because as already noted, spelling is not allowed in Rapville, which is directly adjacent to Poundown, as it turns out. So if ever you choose to take a car trip from Rappville to Poundown, I found other things out about Poundown as well,

in my journey down this, down this particular vista. Like, for example, sexy, you read, she says there are rules in Poundown, including that doubt shall not get Chlamydia twice, which she has had, apparently, not just once, but twice. So it wasn't just Poundtown to, it was Climedia to. Anyway, she says, next time I'll be sure to add my D's

so you can suck it, love you, and then many emojis. To which I responded, surprise twist. Nikki Minaj was the one with the anaconda all along. Wow, you know more about pop culture than you let on. A little anaconda reference. Anaconda reference was... I want to know. I think it impressed her.

I don't get it. Okay, so... You've ever heard the Sir Mix-A-Lot classic? My Anaconda? Sure, okay. Right. She was... That's with her.

That's her mix-a-lot and Nicky Minaj. But that came out in the 90s? Didn't that come out like in the 90s? No. The remix includes Nikki Minaj. Yeah. Yes. So there is the original, which is like...

And then there's the one in 2000. What was she like four when she was in the song? No, she's like 80 now. Okay. Anyway. How old is she? She's 41? A lady never told.

How do you know all of this? When I dive into a topic, I dive into that topic. What I want to know, Ben, was this just... Not Poundown itself. That has weird orifices. I'm sure. Anyway. Is this you too flirting?

Is that what this was? Because I know you're ostensibly like in a fight here, but it's kind of like a cheeky little like hearts and kissy emojis. Well, she's the one doing that. I don't know. I have four children, Michael. You're not. You're not tempted by...

No, it turns out that, you know, I'm not tempted by... by the, I would say, the opposite of William Shatner, right? So the William Shatner was, you know, going where no man has gone before. This is the opposite of William Shatner, going where every man has gone before. Okay. And so I don't find that to be a tempting proposition. You know, I've never been a woman who pitches Chlamydia twice, joining in song, joining in joyful celebrative song with Nikki Minaj to talk about their bodily orifice.

as colors. No, that was not appealing. I don't know why I'm going to ask this, but how do we know she had clemenia twice? She said this on an interview. She had a full-on interview. Yeah, Brett, take a help me out here. Well, no, she did a podcast and she was talking about the roles of Pound Town. I only know this from the lovely Ben Shapiro show. You're my new pop culture to catch up on the drama. But yeah, so she had Chlamydia twice, and apparently that's not in the roles of Pound Town. She really is a character. She responded. Is it not to fund the police in Poundown, by the way. I'm just pointing that out. But didn't she respond to you? She commented back

and was like some... I don't know if it was sarcastic or not, but she responded to, I think, the reel on your Instagram. Sexy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she did respond on something like, thanks for promoting my song or something. Yeah, the bunch of also... And I wanted...

And I responded to her, I very much look forward to Poundown 4, The Quest for Peace. This has become kind of a pattern with you, though, because... Is it in fights with rappers? Yes. with email rappers. They all suffer from face tattoo syndrome. In this case, literally, sexy you read has like face tattoos.

Face tattoo syndrome, as I've explained before, is that weird, it's that weird phenomenon where you walk into a coffee shop and there's some weird lady with a face tattoo. And you're looking at her face tattoo and she's like, what are you looking at? And you're like, your face tattoo that you put on your face so I would look at it.

And she's like, that's offensive. Why are you looking at this face tattoo? Well, I mean, I challenge you not to look at the face tattoo. I mean, I thought maybe she just was in a... So another thing that she doesn't... does, she colors her hair like this, apparently. I don't know why, but apparently she was out for the Little Mermaid part and just failed.

It didn't work out well for her. And in her chlamydia interview, she actually has, like, her hair is orange with black stripes. Her designer was Tony the Tiger from the Frosted Flakes Box. Can I just say, just to be the grumpy old guy for a second, it really is a problem that kids are listening to this stuff. Yes. It's a civilizational level collapse-type problem.

Yes. Because it's not just that it's so gratuitously vulgar and disgusting, but it's just so stupid. It's so dumb. Dude, we didn't get to the worst part of the song. There's a part of the song where she literally opens applications for her child's stepdad. So sadly, this person has already born a child and that child is in her home. And she actually is like talking about she's looking for a dad for her kid in like one of the verses of these songs.

Well, that's one way to go. And on her resume is apparently the color of her booty home. This is, yeah. Okay, well, I mean... Now you know things you didn't have to know before. A lot of things I didn't want to know about her. But I... Because it's funny because anytime you complain about pop culture, you always hear people say, well, you know, older generations have been saying that forever.

They've always complained about... They were saying back in the 70s, it was demonic. It's like, yeah, they were always right, actually. People back in the 50s who were complaining about Elvis, this is what they were envisioning is that it would become this. They were... As always, the first slope was totally vindicated. That's right. Yeah.

The only graph of civilization that matters is the you are here graph, the slippery slope graph, that you are here. It's like, we're about to fail. Nope, we're about, and then it's like an arrow to like right before you hit and you are here. And that's true of all of these things. Basically, everything that you were called the fudgy-duddy for for saying in the year 2000, you were right on all of them. You were right on, but did you?

I wrote a book called Porn Generation in 2004. I was 21 years old and it was about the pornification of American society. And I had chapters on rap and I had chapters on the mainstreaming of pornography and television, and I had a chapter on Disney stars who were becoming highly sexualized. At that point it was about Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears. And the book was mocked as fuddy-duddy-ish, and look at this young man who's pushing this kind of stuff and how, what is he worried about? Why is he so worried about all of this stuff? And I'm sorry to say, but I was right. Yeah. And I really am sorry to say. I wish I were wrong. I wish I were wrong.

It was a very encouraging statistic. And the Ute in the room, I think, would understand this, which is, it came out of Gallup. Gallup had its values survey that they came out. And it showed a marked shift towards social conservatism. And you see this, especially pronounced in the Republican Party, and you see this all the way on issues like approval of same-sex relations. We're not talking about the issue that everybody's talking about these days. We're not just talking about redefinition of marriage. We're talking about same-sex relations, seven-point drop in one year. You're seeing this across social conservatism, and what's most interesting about it is it's not the old boomer fuddy-duddies who are leading it. In fact, the only group that's becoming more

socially liberal, are the boomers. It's the younger generations, 18 up to 49, I think it was, that is becoming markedly, more socially conservative. So I know it's our job to just complain about the fall of the West every single day, but aren't the Brett Cooper's of the world leading the way toward perhaps a move away from sexy E, red and the... For it virtue town? To Virtue Town, Davy. Virtue Town, 1, 2, 3, and 4. Yeah. I mean, am I being overly hopeful here? No, no, I do think it's better. I mean, obviously, there are still things that are terrible, especially with my generation. I mean, I do stories all the time about, you know, the only fans, girls, and all of that stuff. And I think that it's dangerous because

it's being marketed online. But I think a lot of young people are pushing away from things that society is generalizing about Gen Z. Like, Gen Z is now the soberest generation, like in mid-20s. Most abstinent? Yes, most abstinent. They are the ones that are driving the push back to flip phones. It's like interesting things like that. And even though I think Gen Z can be very misguided with their values and, you know, kind of very emotional and obviously directed in wrong ways. They're still very, very passionate and very civilly aware, even if they are kind of misdirected. And I think that that can be pushed back in a different direction. Obviously, we're seeing changes. So that's at least helpful to me. Like, I look at my comments and it's so

encouraging. I think one thing we have going for, so it's the most encouraging thing for me with the younger generation, some of these videos we've seen recently of like high school kids, laughing at the LGBT indoctrination going on in their schools or tearing down the private. One video in particular, I don't remember where it was, but I think it was a math teacher trying to put on some sort of LGBT video. And the kids were just booing and laughing and pretending to vomit.

And it was really encouraging because, first of all, when I was in high school, it's exactly how we would have reacted to that sort of thing. But also, I think it shows that a few things it shows. And one of them is that this stuff, it's not cool because it's what your math teacher pushes. When it became the culture is no longer the character culture. As soon as like the 45-year-old woman who teaches algebra is telling you about LGBT pride, it's not cool anymore.

I mean, it has all the institutional power, but it can't be cool and it can't be rebellious. It's no longer edgy. I mean, did you guys see that article where they said that, like, has monogamy become the new kink? Because we have gone so far. That is literally, it's a serious article. I'm a sick fetishist because I'm married. Yes. Because we have gone so far that now something that is very, and correct and good is now the edgy rebellion.

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that prizes individual sexual orientation and pleasure. And then you want a bicycle naked down the street. Right. And that's the manifestation of it. That's the final manifestation. Well, we've reached the final manifestation because after Obergfeld, I think most Americans were like, okay, well, you got what you want. So I guess we're done here.

And then they're like, well, no, that's not what we want at all. What we would like is for your church to celebrate it. What we need is to make sure that your kid hears about it. We need to make sure that your kid is watching naked bicyclists ride down the street in Seattle. Like, it's really, really important that your kid be indoctrinated and all this. And people want, like, wait, why is it important that? that our kid be indoctrinated in all this. And the answer is because it was always about an entire value system. It was not, it was, it was symptomatic of a value system. I think the entire society

misinterpreted the call for things like same-sex marriage as, what if we just expanded traditional institutions to include further marginalized people? So this is why it was pitched as basically a civil rights movement, right? The civil rights movement was, voting has existed for a long time and is good. And you should make sure that black people can do it also. And we're like, that makes perfect sense. It's a great institution. We should extend it to include further people. Then the argument for same-sex marriage was made along the same lines, even though it was fundamental. mentally dishonest because you have to redefine marriage in order to include that particular definition of marriage. But the idea was, we're not threatening marriage. We're just doing the same

thing you're doing. We're just changing the people who are involved. But that's not what it was about. The entire movement was about what if we destroyed traditional, civilizational institutions. And then what if we supplant those with another form of values that we must indoctrinate your kids with? We must indoctrinate your kids with these things. And I think that's what people are reacting to. They're seeing the mass come off. And they're, and like, oh my God, I can't believe that we that the call came from inside the house. Yes, and this is why, by the way, you can see a seven-point drop in approval

of same-sex relations in one year because ideas have consequences, as we all know. And so we've had some bad ideas, some wrong premises, and it's led to all these kind of crazy consequences, and a lot of people didn't notice it as it was happening. But when you get to the most extreme consequences, then you can go in the other direction. You can say, well,

consequences come from bad ideas. And so I think, especially with Zoomers, they start pulling on that thread, and they say, okay, if this really extreme instantiation of an idea is bad, well, where did that come from? Exactly. Right? And so they're hurtling back in the other direction. I think it's also, it's symptomatic of just a broader doubt in society's new institutions.

So we like to talk about the destruction of the institutions, and it's true, right? I mean, we have very low trust for all institutions, but the new institutions are the ones we have the least trust in, because those are really, the truth is that all of our institutions basically were Hannibal Lecter. I mean, their faces are being worn around by people who are not actually the people. They took the institution of science and they gutted it, and then they wore the face of science around while proclaiming that everybody had to mask up children and all of this. But the new institutions are the things that people doubt more than anything else because they're clearly and overtly lying. And all the things that they are saying to you, you know are not true, which brings us to Lizzo. So, like, I really think this stuff is kind of important.

There's an entire piece in the Washington Post today about why Lizzo is a heroine and is not actually a fat activist. She's an activist for all of us. And being large is really totally fine. And why is everybody, it's a standard of beauty that's really the problem. And here's the thing. Everybody knows in their heart that it's not true. Everybody knows that it's not true. Which is why there's that great meme that's been going around where it's, I think it started with Tim Pool actually.

Where Tim Pool is like, you talk to people on the left and they're all like, Lizzo's beautiful. You should say, well, you remind me of Lizzo and then see how that works out for you. Lizzo doesn't believe it either. I mean, she just recently was saying she wants to drop out of music because she can't deal with the criticism. Meanwhile, it's like, that's very telling because she's got the Washington Post, all the major media outlets, every institute, fans, everyone telling her she's beautiful, she's amazing. And then just one, I think that her old freak out was one comment that one random person left that made it all come crumbling down. It was Candice. Before she blocked Candice.

I think she blocked Candice. Was it? I don't know if it actually was her. I think it happened to happen to it. But she, I know that she blocked Candace. She's like, clapping. She's like, I did that. I did that.

Either way, it's all, just being showered with love. And then one person makes it all come criminal. But by the way, this, I guess, is why to tie it back in with the 2024 and all the other elections. The reason I'm a little down on Republican prospects is one, because I think the system is rough. You know, the other day, we found 300. mail-in ballots in a random locker in Michigan. And I'm not saying it swung the election, but I bet there's a lot of lockers in Michigan. And so that's a systemic issue that you got to deal with.

But more broadly, just look at what we're seeing. We all know that this stuff is crazy. We're looking, we're seeing this reflected in the polls, especially among younger voters. No one really believes that Lizzo is healthy. No one really believes a lot of the lies that we're told. And yet, the institutions, the governing powers in the media and tech and the schools and the government, they're all putting that flag right in front of us. They're all putting the bicyclists right in front of us. None of them are letting up. But lights not letting up.

Targets not letting. None of them are. And why are they not letting up? Because they feel confident enough that the people can be as angry as they want to be. That's not going to make a difference. Even if the many are furious, the few still have the power. I think that this has been one of the best Pride Months in the history of Pride Month. Sure.

I mean, because honestly, like you've seen action. What have you been up to? There have been all sorts of brands have basically been. been like, you know what? Right? The NHL said, you don't have to wear the warm-up jerseys anymore. We're just not going to do this stuff anymore. And you know what? That's great. I mean, like, again, that's being driven by the excesses. But this is the part that's so funny is that I will never cease to find it humorous that people suddenly discovered that pride parades exist. Like, I'm never going to

stop thinking this is funny. Like, people will be like, oh my God, I was at a pride parade. And a pride parade broke out. It's like, yeah, correct. Like, because what do you think happens at the Correct. The media depiction for 40 years of the Pride Parade was, oh, it's just, you know, it's a bunch of nice-looking, homosexual families who are walking down the street, wearing like American pastoral, you know, pitchforks and suits. And they're, but carrying a gay pride flag, just like you would if you were gay.

And then what these parades have been since literally ever, has been men and assless chaps dancing around. And suddenly, their cameras trained on it, and people are allowed to notice. And I'm not sure what happened when people were, it's just Twitter, basically. I mean, it's the rise of social media. Yeah.

Because before that, it was the media that was basically doing cleanup for all of this stuff. It was like you weren't allowed to mention that any of this stuff was happening. It's why people are mad at Lips of TikTok for actually putting this stuff on her account now, right?

They're mad at Chai. They're like, oh my God, you're exposing millions of children to this sort of stuff by putting it on your TikTok account. She's still search banned, by the way. I don't know if you saw that. Oh, really?

I searched for her yesterday. She won't pop up in search. Many, many other people are reporting this of some of the independent sites are showing that. I'm seeing some people on the right. You want to talk about misbegotten criticism. There are people on the right who are saying,

well, you know, you're just adding to the exposure that these people are getting when they're being exhibitionistic by pointing out that they're doing this stuff and then retweeting the videos of them doing it. It's like you're missing the entire point. You're missing the entire point. If the thing is a moral atrocity, if the thing is a problem and more people know about the problem

and the moral atrocity, more people are likely to resist the problem. We've been usually, you know, we have to be better, I think, on the right, about celebrating our victories when they come. Because I think there's a certain attitude. Like, nothing is ever a victory. It's always terrible. It never gets better.

And we're seeing this, too, with some of the stuff in Pride Monthies, people say, well, institutions are still, these companies are still doing pride. Well, Bud Light fired those executives. Yeah, Bud Light fired the executive. A lot of these companies are pulling back from the Pride stuff. Hold on a second. Look, I'll let you have your giving me hope a moment. But before we do that, yeah, they fire this VP of Marketing, who took the fall for this thing.

This decision was made at a much higher level, and it was made at a higher level because of the asset manager. that are pushing ESG. It was made at a higher level because Transheiser Bush is part of Garm, right, the Global Alliance for Responsibility in Media, and because they've made a deal with the tech platforms such that they're not going to permit. Yeah, but Larry Fink is admitting from BlackRock that he's backed off investments because, by the way, I know people who are deep in this particular world. And they've told me specifically that Larry Fink has really backed off a lot of time.

He doesn't like the bad press, but are the companies changing? I don't buy it. I don't care if they've had a real authentic change deep down in their hearts. I don't care about that. What I want is for them to respond to our pressure. Correct. And if they respond begrudgingly and they don't mean it and they hate us, even better. I mean, on the left, if they get you to do something and they know you don't mean it,

that's the greatest victory. So as far as I'm concerned, if Bud Light is pretending, fantastic. They're pretending because we forced them to. But are they? They're still sponsoring these parades. Like, has that really changed anything? It's not perfect. But even something like Target is still a progressive company.

They took the pride garbage. and they moved it to the back of the store. Now, a lot of conservatives say, well, it's still there. I think that's awesome. Now, it doesn't, I'm not going to shop a target. The fact that they thought they had to do that, that they had to hide, you know, they had to hide their light under a bushel. I'll also tell you why it's important to declare victories when you actually receive them

is because it's almost impossible, especially when you're talking, not about specific brands like about light, but when you're talking about broad overall brand, you got to pay, so the right is very bad at picking targets also. Because it's such a universalistic tsunami of this sort of stuff. the right will be like, well, all the companies are like this. Well, you can't boycott everything. You can't boycott everything. And the reality is that, honestly, like, winning any victory from Target, you should take the victory and you should promote that victory. Because in a lot of towns, Target's the only place that you can actually shop.

It's not as though Target is, you know, like Bud Light, where you just move over one shelf and now it's Sam Adams, right? Target might be in your area, the only convenience store that actually has all the things that you need in like a several mile radius. And so for people to boycott it to the point where they actually got a concerted action out of that, that's a good thing. You can't ask people to do more than they're actually capable of doing, especially when there are no alternatives. We've launched an entire brands that are supposed to be responses to this sort of stuff, Jeremy's Razors and Jeremy's chocolates and all this sort of stuff. But we don't have alternative target. We don't. And so you actually have to pick targets that you can knock down. When you knock them down, you should celebrate specifically because the whole point that the left makes. And this is what they're really about,

is they pick people and they hurt them, and they hurt them as badly as they can, to encourage you and you and me and all of us not to engage in the business anymore. It's a shaming and destruction campaign. The point of going after Randall Lady in a New York park is not that they care about Randall Lady

in New York Park. They don't. They care so little about her. They're willing to destroy her life. They destroy Randall Lady in a New York park so that you will shut up. And so the same tactic applies on the other side, meaning like if we get Bud Light

to even provide the concession that they're symbolically firing people over this thing, how many other companies that were thinking of doing the thing are not going to do the thing? Because why would they step onto the landmine anymore? That's the whole point, is to get them not to step on the landmine in the first place. So this is part of the problem of trying to measure the change.

You're measuring the absence of a change. You're actually measuring, in many cases, a company that doesn't do the thing. It's not just getting companies to back off the thing, which we have seen some of, by the way. It's getting companies that we're about to do the thing, not to take the step in. It's not just companies, too.

it's also individuals. Yes. The left is good. You know, you can single out, it's correct. You want to pick out certain institutions, certain companies, make examples out of them. But you also do that with individual people, which is something that we did with Dill and the difference between Dillan Moulvaney and the random person at the park is Moulvaney deserves it. He put himself out there.

Right, he put himself out there. But the plan by the powers that be was to take Dillan Mowany, make him into a mainstream mascot of transgenderism. And they had this plan. Remember, with his 3, 365 days of girlhood or whatever, this plan, this big gala that he threw to celebrate a year of girl. He even said that he was planning that for months ahead of time. So it takes money and funding to do this.

So they selected him and said, you're going to be our mainstream, like, cheerleader for transgenderism. Well, some of us on the right said, no, no, no, no. So this is a toxic figure who's pushing something dangerous and toxic on children. And now I can guarantee you that there's not going to be any of the companies like Bud Light. And by the way, the whole thing was. misguided anyway in that transformation because when you want to make yourself look a lot better, you obviously just need to turn to GenuCell. Dehydrated skin covered in dark spots and puffy undereyes,

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GenuCel.com slash backstage. Now, all the things we're talking about, by the way, might be a completely moot point because within a matter of moments, we might be in World War three. Because of the aliens? Okay. I thought three can go. Uh-huh. Well, because of certain aliens crossing into.

Before we get to the aliens, we can get to the aliens before we go. Before we get to the aliens, you're... You think they're going to be nicer or are they going to be mean, aliens? They're demons, so they're going to be mean, Ben. Because of you guys. Yeah, I hope they're not my demons. Between the two of you. Yeah.

There are no aliens and demons are nonsense. Wait, the aliens are nonsense? Both of the things you're saying are not here. I don't know, you were trying to take the conversation somewhere else. But then I'm not curious. I thought the aliens are going to. I don't even know Brett's view on aliens. This is big.

You actually did ask me one time. You forgot. On your member block, you asked me. This is so rude. That's really. That's classic walls. That's just out in one ear, out the other. I take the numbers block very seriously.

Yeah, obviously. So I can't believe that I forgot. Where are you weighing in? No, I think that it's very possible. I'm not committed to it. It's not my favorite topic. Like, it's not the thing that I choose to dive into. But I think that it's definitely plausible.

And I just got a clarification on the contention that you're making. Is it that there is life in the universe or that that life in the universe has found us here? Both. Yeah, you're crazy. The first one, yes, the second one. Anyway, do you agree with him that the UFOs are here already? Oh, I don't know if they're here already. I don't know enough, but I guess that they probably exist somewhere. I think that something else asked. I didn't say they've definitely been here. I said it's the most likely explanation for what we've witnessed is that they've been here. I want you to get the footage from Jake Paul. That is going to be huge. Jake Paul has footage of aliens. What if they're here and they're creating Poundown. Well, then I might believe. Then I believe the team. That's why they're in Symm.

It's sexy red. It's sexy red. So Jake Paul has footage, allegedly, has the most convincing footage of, like, an alien encounter in the U.S. And a man has it on this VHS. I think it was in Nevada, I'm pretty sure, from the article I sent you. About in 1973. A little grainy. I think it's VHS or some kind of DVD.

I'm not sure. And this guy has it, and he's the only one that has a copy of it, and he will not sell it to anybody, but he will show it to you if you go. And so Jake Paul went trying to buy it. Is it Jake Paul or Logan? I think it's Jake Paul. He went. Is it Logan?

It's Logan. I think you told me Logan. My pop culture is just not. Anyway, whoever it is, I believe him. Yeah, I'm sure. But he goes and he wears the little hidden cameras. And he films, he has the guy show it to him multiple times, and he gets it from all angles. But now he won't even show the footage.

Yeah. Yeah, this is all very credible. This is like the most credible thing that is ever incredible. I'm not trying to hijack the whole conversation. It's too late. But you're not not. You're not. I'm not not trying to.

Yeah. When you've got... What's that box cutter in your hand? This conversational box cutter right there. When you've got... We weren't talking about anything important anyway. When you've got government officials, intelligence, people that worked in intelligence. People that would never lie to us, yeah.

Why would they lie about this? See, that's what doesn't make any sense. He doesn't even testify that he has seen evidence of the aliens. He said he read a report that there were... That there was evidence of the aliens. He has not witnessed any tape of the aliens. He has not witnessed any pictures of the aliens. He hasn't actually seen the aliens.

So he's a guy who saw a document. Would you believe he said that he had? I mean, at least I'd find it slightly more credible, because then he would actually be somebody testifying that he had seen it, and then we'd have to adjudicate whether he was competent or not to testify. Because it turns out the vast majority of people... But he worked in the intelligence agency that dealt with these unidentified aerial... Right, but we need to be clear about what exactly he was attesting to.

The thing he was attesting to was not that he... He was attesting to the testimony of other... Of not just one person, multiple people who told them about it. He was attesting to the testimony that he heard from his cousin's neighbor, who heard it from a very credible guy. guy who was an alien. I'm not saying he made up. He might not have.

He saw a report. He saw a report. So the report, why would the government, see, this doesn't, the government for decades was, every UFO sighting was swamp gas. It was whatever.

It was a, whatever. It was a weather balloon. And now we're finally starting to hear, well, maybe some of that stuff actually was. This is why I don't believe the government. Like, now that they're saying it, I would be more likely to believe the UFOs like 50 years ago when they were saying it's swamp gas.

Now they're saying it might be UFO. I'm like, God, it's bullcraft. If you deny it. If you deny it. what you actually are believing the government, you're believing the narrative that they sold us for 50 years about this stuff. Right, they were more credible 50 years ago than they are now.

But it also wasn't aliens 50 years ago. 50 years ago, it was Cold War spy planes and now it's demons. Oh, come on. It is demons. It is. Listen. A Catholic fight, do it. I'm totally serious about this.

We know that spiritual reality exists, right? We know that... Why would they be in vehicles? Like, why are they flying around in the sky? Well, people are seeing these weird things. Yeah, but people see apparitions of all sorts of crazy. Why would the demons be doing that? Do they need vehicles to get around?

Because the country is becoming much more vicious and evil. I agree with that, but so why do they go? Well, there you go. Joy rides in the sky. Yeah, I don't know. They're in the sky. They're on the ground. I don't know.

Why would aliens come from millions of light years away to take a joy ride that apparently crash in the desert like aliens? They're not taking joy rides. They're coming here to check out what's going on. Yeah. Because it's crazy. It's because it's because it's crazy town. It is.

It is. They wanted to see pound town. They did. Okay. Can I just say one thing. A wallace, terrible place. The most likely scenario is that there are millions, like billions of other civilizations out there. Okay, given how vast the universe. You're saying that's likely?

Likely, yes. Given the vastness of the universe, given the fact that we live in a universe with 100 billion galaxies. It's like there's a really big vacuum. So there must be a lot of stuff in the big vacuum. It's a vacuum with trillions of planets in it. Yeah. Okay. So given that, just a numbers game, I think it's very likely that there are.

countless civilizations. And so it's likely that we've been visited so sometimes. Even if I grant you, this is my problem. I can grant you A, but I can't grant you B. Okay, meaning the, I would agree with you. The probability is that there are other forms of life on tons of other planets. I agree with that. The notion that it took the form of intelligent life that differed markedly from the development of human beings, I actually

have questions about that because I wonder whether there are really a lot of other evolutionary pathways to intelligence, given that like there's only one that we know about it and it looks like us. So I'm wondering, like, there's all sorts of speculation about like weird lobster-looking creatures that are super-duper smart and fly spaceships. I'm like, I'd like to see some evidence. Like, we're pretty smart. We fly spaceship.

So why shouldn't the aliens look like us would be one question? But even if that were the case, let's assume for a second that we're like in the mid-level of sophistication. We're not even remotely close to being able to travel to other systems where we can experience other civilizations. What is the idea that they have somehow conquered space and time? Well, because their planets have been around billions of years longer than us. Well, and we're much older than presumably other civilizations because all time is relative.

Well, sure. And there are probably civilizations that aren't anywhere close to us in advancement, but most likely there are many that are well beyond us. But why do you think they would be able to in just a few short billion years cross these expanses that we're talking about? Right, it's inconceivable to us. But you also have to keep in mind the 20th century. I mean, going into the 20th century. The universe is only like 5.5 billion years old.

I know. But going into the 20th century, you know, you still at horse and buggy. So, and then very shortly after that, we're going to the mood. It is true. I'm only half joking. Yeah, but then it's all been downhill since then. I'm only half joking when I observed the AI art programs went like a month ago. They couldn't do hands.

Like you'd put in hands and it had like 17 fingers and a hot dog coming out of them. And now they can make, you know, car. Oh, should we talk about AI? Can we talk about AI? Yeah. We finished with aliens. We are not talking about aliens. We are not talking about aliens.

We should talk about AI. A is fascinating. There is one other topic. Listen, I don't want to interrupt our fanciful musings on the bazillions of aliens out there trying to invade us. But are we entering into World War III? Is there a civil war in Russia? Richard Wagner almost took over Russia.

Different Wagner. Different, yeah. Not the ring cycle guy. Yeah. Not the Azimetic Nazi-esque ring cycle die. Yeah, I know. It's a different Nazi-esque weird guy actually named Wagner. This was my favorite part of the whole story.

So this guy progoshin with the Wagner group, the Wagner Group, if you're, you know, like very sophisticated. Goes in, leads a march, up to Moscow. He's really angry because the Russian defense minister, Shogu attacked his paramilitary, like, warlord troop. And so he's going to go up there. Now he's exiled to Belarus. I'm sure he'll be totally fine, though.

Putin's a really forgiving guy. He's going to be found having committed suicide by hitting himself repeatedly in the back of the head with a tire iron, by drinking himself twice in the back of his head, and then, unfortunately, being thrown by himself off a fourth-story window and then run over twice by a car. But my favorite part of the story was,

for a brief, like, six or ten hours, hours, you had all these liberals on Twitter and on the internet. And they were rooting, rooting for the psycho Russian warlord to take over the nuclear form of superpowers. By the way, I have to say, everything in Russia is so stereotypically Russian. It's pretty incredible. Like, this is a dude who ran a hot dog stand and is known as the chef. That's so amazing. He ran a hot dog, he literally ran a hot dog stand. And then he became the chef by being Putin's caterer because Putin made him like one of his oligarchs. And then he created like an entire paramilitary system where he paid him billions of dollars for his paramilitary.

And then Putin was so weak that he had to call the Chechnyans, right? He was about to call the Chechnyans to defend Moscow. But here's the thing I have a problem with this coup. Why don't you just send an email? It feels like really, really like a lot. Like if I were just pissed off at the Secretary of Defense and then I were not going to complete a coup, I would mainly be like, you know, he's a bad Secretary of Defense, hit Sen, and then I'd probably just go back to ruling Syria and almost all of Africa.

So instead, he was like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to, in ridiculous fashion, March five minutes up the road toward Moscow, and then I'm going to not. And I'll end up in romantic Belarus. There's an important... We're highway radiation poisoning. It's like he was listening or reading like Don Quixote. It was like, this is my moment.

This is my time. I'm going to go on my hero's journey. Until I don't. Never mind. There's great advice that came out of the wire, which is, if you come at the king, you best not miss. I can't imagine this turns out very well for Progoshin and the Wagner group. But what does it mean? Does it mean that Putin is really weakened?

Does it mean he's going to pull out of Ukraine? Does it mean that this war is ever going to come to an end? Does it mean that we're going to enter into war? World War III. My favorite part, other than the joke of the Libs, you know, rooting for this psycho warlord is, nobody knows a damn thing about Russian politics. Nobody seems to know. Because he kills everyone who, like, tries to penetrate the shield of Russian politics. Like, literally everyone dies. You know how many reporters have been killed over there? I mean, it's insane. I mean, they're currently holding a Wall Street Journal reporter, right?

I mean, like, this is not a place you want to be? Yeah. So the, is the war going to end? Probably not, because he has to keep throwing people in that meat grinder in the hopes that eventually there'll be some sort of settlement. Is it, is the worst case scenario him falling quite possibly? Because one of the things that actually was exposed here is that if he falls, the most organized forces in the country are variously

the Wagner group, which is like psychotic. And the Chechnans. So that sounds great. Having those two groups fight over, you know, 2,500 nuclear weapons sounds amaze balls. That'll probably work out amazing for everyone. So, you know, listen, Henry Kissinger, who's been much maligned,

that he, his main rule is avoid the least, avoid the worst outcome. Avoiding the worst outcome is typically a fairly decent way of doing foreign policy. And the worst outcome would probably be a giant internal battle in Russia involving people firing weapons at each other while there are 2,000 loose nukes. That seems like the worst available outcome. Yeah. This is where you see the absurdity of Twitter the most, I think, because I checked in with Twitter when this was all going on on Saturday morning. And what I discovered is, number one, everyone knows everything about Russian politics. I was the only one, I said, I don't know who this guy is.

Like, I don't know anything about this. I'm totally clueless about it. I know nothing. So everyone knows everything, everything about it. And it's the most important thing ever. And then you check back 24 hours later and no one cares anymore. Progation who. Yeah, exactly.

And who makes amazing hot dogs. This is, to me, this is the one, this is the best argument for Trump, actually. This is the one thing that Trump supporters in the primary say that I basically agree with that I probably trust him the most to not get us involved in World War III? Yep. He had the most peaceful foreign policy of any president of mine. Yeah, because I think he just doesn't care. I think he doesn't care what's going on in the rest of the world.

He doesn't want to get involved, which is basically my position, and it's the position I want the president to have. DeSantis, I basically trust as well, but we don't know enough about his foreign policy. We just don't. We might talk more about it, but not for all those Hoy-Polloy over there on YouTube. We're going to talk about it in the member block. The show continues now at DailyWire for our members. we're going to be taking your questions live.

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