The Michael Knowles Show - "Debunking Black History Month" YES or NO: John Doyle

Episode Date: March 1, 2026

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And it looked exactly like a little boy And I have never genuinely been more scared in my life I thought I was going to have to kill you Yeah. Welcome to Yes or No, the Bibulous battle to discover who knows whom better. My guest today is John Doyle. How do we play? I will ask John a yes or no question.

He will select his answer away from my prying eyes. Then I will guess how he answered. If I guess correctly, I get a point. If I guess incorrectly, I lose a point. No matter what, I will probably end up drinking. Then it's John's turn. Neither of us have seen the questions beforehand. Whoever is the most points at the end wins,

the stakes could be higher. Are we going to make a little wager, Mr. Doyle? Thank you for being here. I'll make a wager, thank you for having me. All right, what's your wager? If I have more points than you by the end of this, you have to drink two of those martinis within a 10 minute time period.

Wow. That's brutal. That's taken me. You at, what do you want to do? You want a half measure? No, I haven't drunk that heavily in days. So, okay. All right, all right, fine, fair enough.

Maybe we'll even film it when I do it. Maybe I'll do it before my show tomorrow. I think we should. And then if you lose, if I win, you, all right, well, you know what, we'll make it even. Then you have to slam two of those fruity little things that you got right there. That's not a martini. It's not a martini. I was told, actually, because of the fruity implication, I was not allowed to join you in having a gin martini.

That's crazy. People have this misunderstanding. They think that the martini is like a girly drink or something. Yeah. This is the stiffest drink you can have. Properly made, there's like a hint of a whisper of an essence of vermouth, and it's just cold gin with some olives in it. Oftentimes when I'm in public and I hear people accusing you of being fruity because of your drink choice, I always refer them instead to things like your intro. You might or might you're really?

Yes, yeah. It's not even in the top 20. Right. Now, what are you drinking? This is a Tom Collins. So that's just gin, I think some club soda, some lemon. Tom Collins is a nice, good old wasp drink. Right.

I love a good Tom Collins. That's me, a white, Anglo-Saxon and Papist. Yes, a wask, like Bill Buckley, yes. Do you know, speaking of who knows whom better? Do you remember where we met? Yes, I do. Yes, I do. Where did we meet?

That was at Matt Walsh's pro-life rally outside of the Planned Parenthood in Pennsylvania. That's right. And that was May, perhaps, 2019. And I was wearing the Brett Kavanaugh still-like beer shirt. He remembers. Oh, yeah. It's a big day. I remember this because I go, the Walsh's, it wasn't just mad.

I think Alyssa was involved. to make this on too. They were going to do a big protest because of this lunatic state representative or something at a Planned Parenthood. And I said, I'll go out for that. That's good. And I'm walking around and I see this kid there. You were then kind of unknown. And now you got your show at the blaze, your big deal. That's right. But at the time, you were kind of under, and I looked, and I said, you have, I have that shirt. Yeah. And it was just Brett Kavanaugh at his confirmation hearing. Yeah. And the three were as a still like beer. I said, I like this guy. Yeah, I remember you got into a Twitter spat with Alexandria Ocantzio-Cortez, and to add insult to injury, you had

a photo taken of you and you were wearing just like college Republican like pajama pants. You had a glass of red wine and you were wearing the Brett Kavanaugh still like Beardshire. I was like, this is what I aspired to me. Yes, I ordered it. I was on vacation. It was me, my wife, good buddy and his wife. And I was like, I think AOC is picking a fight with me right now as we're sort of having our nice little aperitif.

Okay. You understand the rules? I believe so. All right. That's one of us. I will go first. Do you consider yourself an expert on black people? And this is, I got to answer, you put your answer what you would say about yourself and now I have to answer how you would answer. Cheers. Cheers. We can just drink now. Chin chin. You do. You do. And I noticed this because

you have an amazing series. That's right. For Black History, where you decided you were going to debunk what is known as black history. That's right. Yeah. What did you find? Well, not a whole lot there, I guess. I mean, there's just a lot of stuff that's just plainly untrue about certain inventions that they claim, periods of history that even many conservatives think are things to admire or revere, which are just false. And so, yeah, we thought we'd go through the entire gauntlet, and I think we're on day 14 or 15 right now.

We're a couple days behind, again, being culturally respectful. We didn't want to be completely punctual in our releasing of these videos. And yeah, I do claim myself. to be a sort of experts on the black people whom I love dearly. And it's because I grew up in Detroit around them. And I just understand kind of how their culture functions in a way that many white liberals who accuse me of racism simply don't. Because there's a thing. It's not even the history of black people or the history that involves black people of which many histories partake. There is this thing. Capital B, capital H, it gets shoved down your throat by all the liberals in February. Black history, as though it's a alien thing from the rest of history. Right. And it's made up of these very secular saints,

the, you know, supposed, you know, innocence of Rosa Parks or something like that. And a lot of it is just contrived. Yeah. Yeah, it's your Rosa Parks, your Harriet Tubman's. I mean, literally all of these people are, they exist as these kind of, like you said, this mythological figure. The legendary sort of figure. Yes. Yes. And that is entirely just a creation of propaganda, which serves to uproot American history and divide people and lead us into accepting what is referred to on Twitter as gay race communists. Yeah, right. Well, in this, for the, a lot of the black history stuff, it actually was promoted by, like,

literal communists in the 60s and see, yeah, okay. All right, I don't want to jump any other questions. You go. I'll clear my answer. In the current legal system, would you advise all young men to get married without any additional prenuptial agreements? I gotta give my answer. You got it correct, but there's a big but.

Yeah. So, yes, I'm anti-pre-nub. Even though the system is horrifically stacked against marriage now because of no fault divorce and feminism and all the rest of it. I don't like the pre-ups because I think it undermines the sacrament of marriage. You're signing up for an exit ramp, basically. However, if one were forced, gun to one's head to have a pre-up, I have the Knowles pre-nup. And all's pre-up is simple. One line, whoever dissolves the marriage forfeits everything.

Whoever moves for the divorce first forfeits everything. I think that would be the kind of pre-up that it's like the anti-pre-pup in that the pre-nups exist to undermine the marriage. Sure. This one, it would, it's like, you know, prisoner's dilemma or something, right? It's like whoever moves first loses it all. Right. I think that's a good way to counter the incentive to move in that direction if you want,

you know, half of somebody's nest egg or what have you. I have to agree with you because I am Catholic. However, I always try to keep in mind which audience I'm speaking to. And so if I'm speaking to an audience of just like every man in America, my advice is going to be a little bit less applicable than if I'm speaking to my audience where it's like I'm probably selecting just by nature of the content that we're making the things we talk about for a higher quality of young man who's pursuing a higher quality of young woman. So in that instance, I can understand why he may be viewing like red pill content and getting himself, you know, all worked up and paranoid. But it is probably the case that if you're being very careful about who it is you choose to marry, that those

concerns are going to be less what they would be for the general population marrying, you know, general population women. Not to say that, you know, conservative women are angels by any stretch of the imagination. However, I would agree with it. There have been some high profile incidents that have created problems. That is a, that is a diplomatic way to put it. Yes. Now, there's two sides of this. One, Yeah, okay, so you're saying, to my audience, which gets it, I give some advice, but that might not be totally applicable to it. However, I would say, I would not encourage any man to sign a prenup because I think that that action is wrong per se. Yeah. And so I would never encourage a bad thing for people. I wouldn't make some moral concession or equivocation for one group. I would say, no, no, you just have to, obviously, you have to order your marriage toward the right thing. Part of that is picking the right thing. right girl, sure. Part of that is leading your wife in a way so that you're, you know, moving forward together in a good way. I totally agree with that. The only reason I bring that up is to say that when I say this sometimes, I get yelled at by people or like, how could you say this? Haven't you

seen like what Andrew Tate is? I'm like, I am not talking to guys who are watching. You would never agree with what I'm saying anyway. And at a certain point, I try not to be the catcher in the rye where I'm standing out in the rye trying to prevent stupid people from like sprinting off a cliff. Like I would prefer to talk to people who I think are maybe a little bit smarter, a little bit more moral. And so I totally agree. I would not advise any guy to get into that kind of situation where you are conceding the possibility of it not working out. Yeah. At which point, why would you even... But there is this tough thing now. I mean, you even hear about it's very rare, but even with the most hardcore traditionalist, TLM attending, Catholic, you know, even their marriages dissolve. Or you think

of the groups that have much higher marriage rates, like Orthodox Jews, Mormons, you know, depends on how you cut it because there's so many flavors of Protestantism, but some are much more likely to be hardcore about marriage and others. But you still have this political fact of a legal system that creates all these inducements to dissolve a marriage. And you think, well, okay, you do have to grapple with that. Like, I guess my, the men going their own way answer is individualist, liberal in its own way, which is, well, I'm out, you know. But I guess my answer being a proper, I guess they would say authoritarian or something is, well, you need a political solution. A lot of people don't know this.

Divorce, as we know it, is very novel within the last half century or so. New York didn't legalize no-fault divorce until like 2011 or something. You know, it's very, very recent. But, you know, good luck talking to the national Republican platform that says, we're going to run against divorce. We're going to tighten up the divorce laws. Even the hardcore GOP politicians, they won't openly run on that. Yeah, I mean, insofar as the conversation occurs at scale, we hear a lot of talk about men needing to marry up and get married from these kind of maybe more feminist-type conservatives, but very little attention is paid to doing away with the privileges. I guess you would say that women have gotten from these kinds of these feminist movements, which have enabled them to have more freedom to maneuver within relationships.

So they want to have their cake and eat it too, where it's like men must marry up and men up and marry me. However, also if I decide I don't like this, I am free to leave at any point. Yeah, yeah. And it's the irony of it. of it is you say it's a privilege for women, but it ends up ruining their lives, and they end up being all miserable. It's that kind of thing of like, you know, a feminist will say,

you don't like abortion, because you want to control women's bodies, and then the kind of squishy guy, maybe feminist-sounding conservative says, I don't want to control your bodies. And I guess my answer is, I'm willing to control your body. Like, in the sense that that's not what I'm chiefly after.

I just don't want you to kill your kid, and I don't want us to slaughter babies. But I'll be blunt about it. I'm willing to have the law control people's bodies. Sure. The law controls all of our bodies. I can't shoot heroin right now. Sure.

Most states, I can't. You know, like, I can't drive 100 miles an hour on the road home. I can't, like, yes, the law imposes restrictions on our bodies. It especially does that to women in this case of abortion, but it's just, you can't kill your kid. Like, yes, I guess that's a restriction on you, but biology and reality and the law impose restrictions on us. Yeah.

Yeah. of it and it is such a dishonest framing too because they're trying to gotcha. Like so you're saying you want to get it's like that's gonna make me look bad for saying that But I mean why don't you look bad for suggesting that you should have like this kind of political autonomy? So it's just totally like distorted and disorder I have to go to work to pay my mortgage that controls my body. Okay, right right? Right, I'm clearing my answer before I say this prompt we have to watch this video Yes, okay, that is the most controversial weapon in the country right now. That's controversial because I've seen the damage it's done. I've seen x-rays

of bones shattered like fireglass though with these are we shooting these actual guns yep hit that there you go was it scary it was a little I was a little freaked out because it made a big noise it did make a big noise I walked in because I've never been to a shooting range or anything before I was walking in through the hallway and I like heard the gunshots I was like oh that's not too bad and then the door opened it was like I was a lot it was a lot louder than I thought it was gonna be do you know why well because it's like a little explosion when you try to shoot the gun.

That is what's happening. It explodes. It does explode. Has your perspective changed at all on guns or gun control? No. Gun owners. Honestly. Is taking libs to the gun range more effective in finding common ground with libs than an

evening with cigars? Would you say finding common ground with libs? You would say no. Correct. Yeah. Why? Well, you must understand. Those libs in particular were friends of mine from high school, which in that same summer of 2019, when I was, you know, getting my stuff off the ground, I was like, hey, you guys want to go shoot guns.

I'm trying to make content on the internet where we shoot guns. And so we went and these were good people. I mean, they are maintaining a liberal disposition, but I knew that they were good people. I knew that they would go to a gun range with me, whereas most liberals would think that I'm like an insane crazy person. Are they still your friends? Two, one and a half. Would they say they're still your? Maybe one.

Okay, all right. They're very fine people. They're wonderful. They're very fine people. That's what Trump said about Nazis at Charlottesville. I'm reliable. That's not true. That's not true. Oh, he didn't say that. The point being nowadays, frankly, I don't know if I would be comfortable going to a gun range with liberals given the way that they're like insane. And so I would almost prefer to be in a nice controlled environment like a cigar lounge where any damage that's being done is them to their own bodies, which liberals famously enjoy doing. So I would almost do that. And frankly, I'm very jaded in my old age when it comes to discoursing with these people. I find it to be almost an exercise. in vanity or entertainment. Like, I will accept a fee and I will go debate someone on a college campus. But in terms of actually believing I can reach people at this point, I just don't know

that that's possible. Not to say we should try, but me and my old state, I just don't know if we can. Yeah, you might, the gun introduction might reach some common ground, but not in the way a lot of people think. Like, a lot of people think you're going to take them there and be like, this is awesome. I like guns now. And that's not really what happens. More of what happens is that, where they say, this is.

even scarier than I thought it was. Now, you can find common ground, I think, in that when they shoot the gun, it disabuses them of some of their Marvel movie notions. Sure. Why didn't the cop just shoot the criminal in the leg or whatever? Why didn't he shoot the gun out of his hand? You know, like, you realize, no, there's an explosion that's happening in a piece of metal that I'm holding. But you can find, I find with the cigars. One, they don't like tobacco because they want to have the devil's lettuce instead. Yes. Fine. Yeah. But But cigars are great because it's not a vice, but it seems like a vice. Cigars are not a ice, in my view. But it kind of seems like it is. So it allows them to let their guard down.

You can try to speak. I'm not quite as jaded as you are about this in that, I think it takes a lot of work. It takes a lot of work peeling back that onion. Sure. To try to get to any, because you have to, you have to get down to the level of religion, and it's inescapable. you have to get down to, okay, you and I don't even agree on what a human being is. We don't even agree on what a man is or what a woman is or what we, or what a baby is or what. So you have to get down to this level of like below morality, below anthropology, below epistemology, like below ontology. We can't even really agree on what it is to be because they're like, we live in a,

we live in a simulation, man, and the aliens are going to come with their technology. So you have to go even deeper than that. You have to kind of ask, okay, like what is, where does being come from? Sure. What is that? And so you're all the way down at the level of first principles that, like, you thought you were going to find common ground on the Second Amendment. It's like, you actually have to get down to like, okay, what is the relationship between

being in existence? You know, you have to get so basic and you probably won't come to common ground, but you might get them to think a little bit. Yeah. Maybe or maybe not. They get annoyed with this too, because I'm sure you've had this experience where you can tell them something to the effective, hey, I can actually guess your opinion about like literally any topic and they're like, no, you can't. And then you actually can because you understand

from where it is all being derived. And they are annoyed by this because they, you know, fancy themselves as very individualist types, very educated, well read. This is, of course, not the case. But I find that, you know, the issue of the Second Amendment, for example, they may even concede like, okay, this isn't as scary as I thought. But these are people who, if presented with facts about who is actually committing gun violence, who is actually perpetrating very recent mass shootings, they would either reject them outright, question the source, which is to say, I need to give myself permission to not believe you. or most commonly they'll say, well, I just need to do more research, which again says, I don't believe you, this is simply a fault of me not having prepared to explain why I am so correct.

But quite often they just want to exit the conversation and they'll go still vote Democrat, which even if they're Democrat voters who maybe are more moderates on the Second Amendment, two-party system. I mean, everything else that's evil and wrong about the world, they're more or less aligning themselves with, if not for this one issue that we've reached common ground on. And then, too, it's like, if you're going to tell me that what the Democrat national platform is, not even the crazy radicals from the 60s, like current policy, if that is a closer approximation to how you want the world to look like, then common sense, like, hey, maybe we should have a border and not just like, I don't know, have American soldiers die for feminism in Pakistan. Like, those kinds, I just, I don't know if on my deathbed, I will not spend more time wishing I had spoken to the retarded. And so I understand that it is our job to a certain extent to reach people. But I might actually, on my deathbed, I might wish I had spent more. more time speaking to like literally retarded people. That's right. Like charity. Yeah, yeah, right. And just like actually learning from people who have, but from people who are just politically

obtuse or unreachable say, yeah, I don't, I won't have wished I had more Twitter fights. Frankly, like Shane Gillis says, they're much more pleasant to speak to. Literally retarded. Yes. Yeah, certainly. Whereas, like, liberals are always like bitter and angry about something. Whereas, you know, you speak to like people with Down syndrome and they're just like having a great time all the time. It's something to aspire to.

And yeah, and it's those people that the libs are trying to kill. Yes. Boast about killing. Literally, misery loves company. They are threatened by the fact that they can enjoy life. Yeah, right, right. Because yeah, it also gets down to like really base assumptions about what life is. When it's like, well, it's just consciousness or it's the ability to have a career.

Or it's like, to make money, money, money, something. He's like, no, it's really not, ultimately about that. Because they're narcissists, like insofar as they're even having children, they view that to be an extension of themselves. It's like a Barbie doll or something. So that's why they're all like secretly eugenicists, too, the ones who are like using these, you know, embryo websites and everything. So, yeah, if they find out that their child is going to have Down syndrome or something, they view that not to be like still my child. This is just now an inconvenience. This is like if I wanted a defective handbag.

Yes, I wanted this for my birthday. Instead, I got like the knockoff version, which is a completely disgusting way to view life. Yeah, and they say, I'll return it. Yep. There are actually like lawsuits about that from IDF companies and yes. Yeah, it is, yeah, you're jading me more even on conversing with with the live. Yeah. Anyway, you're up.

We have to watch a video first. Did I do that right? It was well done. Oh, thank you. We're just like evil. The Tuskegee Airmen, right? The best pilots of the war, they get Netflix shows, all that. Black women delivering male, better than everybody else.

What was the actual black service record in World War II, though? It was not very Hollywood. First off, America had 1.2 million black soldiers, of which only 708 actually died in war, because they were almost entirely kept from war. combat. This is because their scores on the Army General classification test, which was given to everyone, were lower on average, and so they were instead often assigned to things like labor units rather than combat units. I guess tests have always been racist. For comparison, we only had 33,000

Japanese Americans involved in World War II, and they had 800 killed in action. Literally more people from the country we nuked twice died for America. Where's their Netflix program? The Japanese, truly our greatest ally. Well, you know, I didn't, I actually didn't know that. Can I get a point? Yeah. The question was, did you know that the Tuskegee Airman story is as fake as Wakanda? Well, now I kind of want to get the points, but I don't want to be a liar. I don't know. So I guess, you know what, to be honest, I assume that you did know that and so... You're going to, you're going to, out of charity, I hadn't screwed up my own game. Okay. Yes. No, I didn't because, well, so look, the lib argument would be, this is a great,

it was the most charitable way to get a point ever in the history of this game. He didn't get the point. Now the producers, it. No, because he knew. He assumed, had I not blurted it out, that I would have known that. I didn't know that. And what the Libs would say then, like before the second part of your video, the Libs would say, well, yeah, they were kept from combat. They were kept from these glorious roles because they were underestimated and it was segregation. And actually, it would have been better. We hated them so much.

We wouldn't let them go die in combat. Yes. But then the second part is, well, hold on, surely there was some prejudice against the Japanese in America after Pearl Harbor. but we did send them to combat. So is it, which is, we were so prejudiced against the black people, we didn't let them fight in combat, and we were so prejudiced against the Japanese people, we made them fight in combat,

and something's got to give. One of those things came to me. Yeah, their cousins were like in internment camps, and we were like, hey, would you mind going and dying for our country, please? And they did at a higher rate per capita. So, yeah, it's just one of those things. It's the mythology that's constructed,

because if you want to tell the story of black success in America, you ultimately have to tell the story of America, but they don't want to have that conversation or story. And so they have to try to carve out their own, whether it's in mythology, national anthems, independence days. It's just completely nonsensical. Yeah, because there's something to myths. Like, I'm not anti-myth.

You want the myth to be related to reality, but mythos creates a whole picture and a civic program, you know, building on that. But if the myth is a lie, then you're going to have downstream negative effects of that. Yeah. So do you, it's very tricky. Well, I guess it's similar to how one of the great black figures in American history is Booker Washington, Booker Taliaferro, good Italian name Washington, who had this radically different program for black achievement in America than someone like a W.E.B. Du Bois and all the other socialists and people who said, no, we just need political revolution now. Booker Washington says, no, we actually, we kind of have to build material, tangible, wealth, and improve. and institutions, and that's how black people are going to achieve in America. Sure.

And then the socialists said, no, no, no, we just need to demand more regulations and laws and stuff. And Booker Washington is entirely written out of the official narrative of black history. Where he's not written out, he's condemned. He's sort of mocked, you know. Yeah, they call them race traders, Uncle Tom, what have you. I think it's anti-Italian discrimination because Italia Farrell. Because you're so close. Oh, I was going to say because you're so close.

Because we're the black people of Europe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, okay. I'm up. Clear to answer. There is no conservative civil war. It's just that half the supposedly based commentators out there were never actually conservatives to begin with. What's your answer?

Did you mark? Not yet. Your answer is going to be. That's correct. That is correct. Yeah. No, that is correct. You're going to name names?

Are we spilling tea here or no, you're speaking generally. Well, you know, as much as I would like to name names, there is, you call them the usual suspects, you can know. name names. The thing is, they want that because it's drama to them. It's content. It's all that. It is less about, you know, embarking from first principles and actually having a discussion about how the world ought to be. I call these people sometimes maybe reciprocal where, you know, you'll have, like, if Trump says we have to do 110 degrees, they say, no, we actually have to do 70. Or if Trump says we have to do, you know, 20 degrees, they'll say, no, we actually have to do like 1.6. So there is no answer that could ever satisfy these people. It is always simply, how can I

be contrarian, how can I be edgy? And anything that Donald Trump does, they will pretend that they were denying that it ever could have happened. And then when it does happen, they say, well, this is insufficient. And again, it's all just like vanity for them. It is to say, nobody is holier than me. I am the most based in red-pilled person ever because I want this to happen. They're playing with action figures. That's all it is. Like, if I were in charge, I would do this. And it's like, that's cool, I guess. I can see why that's entertaining. and maybe even funny. But I am trying to move the ball down the field so that I no longer have to worry so much about the state of my country. And so I just, I don't have an appetite for this

kind of stuff. I don't have patience for this kind of stuff. And you notice, too, the left is very hellbent on assuring everybody that this is in fact happening. The New York Times writes about it, the Atlantic writes about it. They want everybody to say, hey, there's this mag civil war. I know how you're demoralized and on suicide watch because you're losing so profoundly. However, things aren't looking so good in that camp that, by all measures, appears to be winning. They're having a civil war. And of course, these people love that because they're like, see, look, we're effective. We have influence. You know people in the White House. I know. They are the laughing stock. They joke about, there is no civil war beyond what you're seeing online. Everything is

going swimmingly. So do not black pill. Do not be disheartened by this. So is there a civil war in the sense that it is personally annoying to me and my colleagues? Of course. However, I'm not a selfish guy. Big picture, bird's eye, I think we're doing very well. And this is all just nonsense. It's an, the people who run the Psiops, the people who are in charge of doing these, they make very handsome living. They did not just go away after Trump took office. They relocated and they restrategized. And so that's all this is. They spent five seconds trying to get Harry Sisson to get young men to stop voting for Republicans and come back to Democrats. That clearly didn't work. Now they're trying to appeal to this sort of like based normal streamer class where it's like, hey, you've got this guy. He's really

red-pilled because he's saying all these memes that were funny like 10 years ago, but he's saying them now. But also, he thinks it's really cool to not vote for Trump. It's like, I can see what's happening here. He's so based that he hates Trump and Vance and the entire White House and all the Republican senators and frequently allies with and cozys up to Democrats. Yeah, like exclusively, actually. And it like, endorses Democratic candidates. So, like, can we call a duck a duck here? I mean, it is behaving like so.

And that's the thing, you know, if you're a Democrat and you do have an IQ above like 115, which let's just concede that that is a possibility here, you're not going to get young guys to stop voting for Trump by 40 points. You're not going to make that swing undone by simply saying we need to do gay race communism better and put Harry Sisson's face on it. But what you can do if your end goal is not so much ideological, but just simply making them disengage from the political problem. You can say, hey, you know what, I know you're not going to stop voting for Trump because you're going to sign up to, you know, Newsom or Kamala or whatever. But maybe we can get you to say, I'm actually too based for Trump. Yeah, I'm too based to vote. I'm not going to vote anymore. Exactly. Right. Yeah. You know, the reason that I wouldn't, if the question had been asked of me, the holdup would be, there's no conservative civil war. I basically agree with that. It's just that half the supposedly based commentators were never actually conservatives. The just is what gives me pause. Because I think there were actually. nuances here within this class. You think of guys like Dave Smith, who I've been on panels and things with, or guys like Glenn Greenwald, who I've been on panels with, who I actually personally have gotten along with. I, you know, I don't really have a personal issue with those guys. But you think, all right, Dave Smith is a libertarian. He's not a conservative, and he's a libertarian,

and so the libertarians are like the libs of the right. They're sometimes on the right, but they often are with the left. A guy like Glenn Greenwald, he is a man of the left. He is thoroughly a man of the left. He just contradicts the left in some crucial moments. So, great, I'm happy to have another vote or people trying to support us, but that's not reliable anyway. That's one group. These who really are not particularly conservative, who sometimes they're with us, but sometimes they'll revert and not be. Then you, I think of someone like Megan Kelly. Yeah. I really like Megan was much more liberal. And I, on issues like LGBT or she, you know, she, her views on trans have changed as more information's come in. So I think she has sincerely moved more to the right

over the years. Sure. Which is different from the guys who just have ideological views that are kind of weird that sometimes are with us and sometimes you're not. Yeah. And but then there's the class of the online conservatives where they say there's this conservative civil war, but it's really, it's just a product of the babbling class. Yeah. It's not happening. We have never had a more unified conservative movement at the level of practical politics. Sure. We have Trump has really unified this. Vance, as the heir apparent, is very, very strong. The clearest potential rival to Vance as the heir apparent is Marco Rubio. And he said, they're all on the same team. You know, Rubio has essentially endorsed Vance. Trump has endorsed both of them as a ticket.

There's this unbelievable degree of practical unity from very, very serious guys. Yes. I saw this, you know, the vice president was very close with Charlie Kirk, a buddy, you know, And something I always admired with Charlie, and I was friends of Charlie for a very long time, he was a good debater. Yes. He was a great fundraiser, yes. He was a great operator politically. But he had a coalitional sense that was second to none. He was better at it than Trump, actually. Yeah. And with Charlie, he knew how to bring in people who kind of hate each other, but they would get along for a common purpose. And he knew who to exclude. And he did exclude some people. And he was very practical about it. And so a lot of the attacks on Charlie, or now attacks on TPSA, his family, but some of those attacks existed before Charlie was killed.

And a lot of times it was just people who were excluded from TPP USA. You know, his people who Charlie said, sorry, you're not on the team. And you think, okay, well, yeah, that's always existed. Would you call that a conservative civil war? Sour grapes, maybe? Yeah, I don't know. It's just, that's kind of like a meta political issue. Yeah. That's like guys fighting over the actual political. But when you get to issues, immigration, even the economy, certainly the social issues, trans, abortion, they're all totally, the conservatives are united. And then when you get to the candidates, Trump, Vance, Vance and Rubio, you know, kind of working as a team. I see more unity. I've actually ever seen in my life on the right.

Which is why they have to try so consistently to make you believe the opposite, because obviously they thrive in situations where we're not unified. They're extremely on the back foot right now, so much that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are being shopped around to talk about moderating their immigration plan, which of course they're not going to do. But that was our thing for the last 10 years before Trump. In the latter half of the Obama administration, it was the conservative media's job to say, why can't we just talk it out? Which I agree with open dialogue. However, that is not language of strength. That is language of please just like, don't kill me. And what they're saying now, all these Democrats are saying, you know, maybe we've gone a little far

when we need to moderate. What they're saying in the same breath is Virginia is the model. Yeah. Virginia in the recent election, Spanberger wins, running as a moderate. The minute she gets into office, she passes one of the most, or initiates one of the most radical platforms we've seen in any state where she's saying we're going to stop cooperating with ICE, we're going to give voting rights to felons, we're going, you know, we're going soft on crime. Just this, and so the model for clearly is let's talk in a more moderate way, but let's keep up the gay race communism. Let's keep up the open borders radical stuff. I don't know that that plays. Well, that's because they understand how media works and they understand that most people's experience with the news and what

is happening is going to be based on words coming out of people's mouths. And so if they see their political class saying, no, we're going to moderate, that may bring back some of the Dems who have been a little bit wary, seeing where the country is going. And you see the same thing on the right where most people are experiencing what is happening based on if Trump says something. And so if Trump says, no, we're not going to go after the people who are here just illegally, it's just the hard criminals, that's probably good messaging in the sense that it's the moderates who are maybe not in love with seeing like the mass deportations. They can say, oh, okay, well, Trump says this. I agree with that. They go about their day. We as people who pay attention to

this stuff, understand it's a little bit different. Obviously, we have patriots in charge of that. But for some reason, the people who supposedly know how the world works better than you or I are seeing those words come out of Trump's mouth, seeing that they don't square with what is actually happening. And instead of saying, okay, maybe I should align myself better with reality there, saying actually, Trump's words out of his mouth are what is really happening. What is happening. What is happening? Ignore what's really happening. And the liberals freaking out about what is happening is also not happening. It's like, what are we doing? What are we doing? I have been advocating for a real form of remigration, which is getting these people out of politics. I want them to go back to sports betting and streaming services. Remigration for the pundits. Literally. Like, I feel badly for them. And it's my beautiful Christian heart where I see that they're just walking into walls. all the time. They are frustrated and confused by what is going on. These are not people who are meant to to pay attention to politics. These are people who are meant to be on streaming services, playing

video games, sports betting. I feel like there are these animals who have wandered out of their natural habitat, and I want to return them home because it's not, it's cruel to them. It's not fair to them. To have them back to the Buckele prison camp of commentary. That's right. Yes. That's very smart. You're up. I clear. All right. Should banning porn be a higher priority than deporting the illegals? Correct. Why? Tell me why. Why shouldn't?

Why did I say that? Yes. Because you're a smart guy. But it's a big issue. You know, to give the porn point it's due, you can't have a good country if you don't have people practicing virtue. The fact that you have most American men and a lot of women, a growing number of women, in a perpetual state of grave mortal sin in a sin that is particularly inclined toward despair. Lust is one of the chief sins that inclines us toward despair that has all sorts of negative effects on relationships and marriage

and kids and all this stuff. That's a, that is a grave problem. So why is the immigration issue even more urgent? Well, because I think that all other issues are downstream from the immigration issue. Frankly, even I made this comment recently when we were taping an episode and my producer advised me that we should cut it. I was basically, I was getting into the, the implications of, uh, uh, immigration on actually like the pornography industry, because you're seeing these weird trends where the type and like the categories that are being produced are actually being produced such that it is catering to these mass third world audiences. And so I'll see these like white Catholic guys who are like, you know, it's these evil pornography producers who are trying to like make porn depicting

like incest and all this other weird stuff. Whereas, you know, you think about like the stereotypes of, I don't know, the 70s, and it's on like VHS, and it's like, oh, the secretary, like very, like vanilla stuff. Yeah, yeah. And they think, the pizza guy shows up in some grainy. And so they look at this and they're like, they're trying to trick me into being sexually attracted to my family members. The actual thing that's going on there is you are getting internet access in places that

have never had it before. And there are appetites in the third world for things like incest, quite regularly, which people don't want to have that conversation. But, you know, you want to talk about the Epstein files and child abuse. It happens every single day in this country in these illegal alien communities, many of these immigrant communities. You talk to Hispanics. You talk to African. This is commonplace. Not allowed to have sleepovers. They all have some odd experience with a relative. It happens all the time. Not a peep from the podcast class, which has so much to say about Epstein and child abuse,

not a peep, because the solution to that is obvious. We need to get these people out of our country. Well, a lot of those people are also watching their content, so they don't want to step on toes. What can I do instead? Say the most popular thing in the world. Trump is bad because he's enabling child abuse or something. It's like, give me a break. So do I think this is bad? Obviously, this question was asked because I've spent so much time covering why pornography is a cancer within society. However, I think that, first of all, practically speaking, we wouldn't have the capital to address that issue, were it not for us shutting down immigration in general. And also, I really do believe that every issue that we discuss can in some way be informed by what is going on with

immigration policy, even things that may surprise you, like, you know, how the pornography industry has sort of adjusted itself to cater to very disgusting third world practices, which otherwise would be completely alien in civilization and it would probably even get you killed. Yeah, there's something, that's a good way to put it. I was thinking of it more basically or tangibly, which is just your country is defined chiefly by the people in it. So, you know, abstract ideas are great, but you need people to embody those ideas. And at a basic level, if you can't control who comes in and out of your country, you have a breakdown of law and order and the political community that is so grievous that it demands attention first. And there are a lot of

downstream effects of that totally. Also because over the course of American history, we've been tougher and less tough on sins of the flesh. Even St. Thomas Aquinas makes a good argument as to why you might not want to ban prostitution entirely immediately because the society is at different degrees of virtue. So if you try, the law as a teacher, you want to make the population more virtuous, but if you try to go too fast, you know, too high too fast, you might snap the people, they might end up worse than they were in the first place. This is why you have red light districts in different places. Pornography is that writ large. To the social capital point, immigration, the vast majority of Americans want to drastically reduce it and get rid of the illegals. That's how

Trump won the popular vote. If you took a poll of most Americans, I don't know that you'd have the vast majority saying we should ban all of porn immediately. Yeah. I'd like to get to that point at some point, but we're not quite there yet. So I agree. You've got to focus on the tangible first, the things that most concretely affect your political order. Yeah. You want to do a few things at once. But that's, I agree. That's the urgent issue. Yeah. Yeah. You know, back to the commentary class using this as like a vanity project. A lot of them are very happy to ignore all of those tangible issues, but they will get in front of a microphone and scream about, you know, the evils of porn and why we must ban it immediately. And it's like, again, are we playing with action? figures or are we playing the political game? And so it's not so simple as waving a magic wand, unfortunately. You know what people should do instead of looking at porn, you know, in some recess of their house or apartment? They should go and get into bed with their wives. And when you want a nice bed, you got to go to helixleep.com slash Knowles, K&WLES, for 27% offside white. I will tell you,

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the rapid fire round. Three questions, 30 seconds, no time to outthink each other. You ready? Wow, this is like the most unbelievable inadvertent transition ever. Does Gavin Newsom, per Mr. clavicular, Mogg J.D. Vance? No. Well, that was great. You've got to put your answer in there. That's got, but I got that point. That's right. Is it okay for grown men to spend time playing video games. You got to clear your answer and then give your other answer. You say yes. That's right. Yeah, it is. A little bit of time. In order to be the most effective at delivering our messages as political commentators, should conservative commentators all strive to looks max in in 2026? No. That's right. It's correct. Yeah, you shouldn't, I mean, you should look appropriate,

but you should not. I'm not going to hit yourself in the face with a hammer. Don't hit yourself. Don't do math. Don't hit yourself in the head with a hammered. And don't fall into vanity. Because actually, I enjoyed chatting with our former guest, Mr. Ikeler, but he's gone very wrong on a lot of ways. I mean, he hits himself in Ed with the Hammer. Yeah. And the thing is, it falls into a form of vanity that becomes like the right-wing version of trans. Yeah. You know, like a hyper-real version of masculinity.

And like the trans people go into a hyper-real form of femininity. Yeah. And it's, it is gay. It is ultimately gay. Like, I'm not calling him gay, because he's a confused. young guy in many ways, but it, you shouldn't do it. Yeah. No, that's absolutely right. There are a lot of guys who just want to reverse engineer the sort of outcome and they, they, as an excuse to not just like go out there and, I don't know, talk to a girl and be normal. They tell themselves, well,

first I have to strike myself in the face of the hammer and I have to do X, Y, Z, do meth even, and then I will finally, maybe even get a nose job, finally have the ability to go out and talk to a girl. And then you know these people and they do all those steps and then they actually never do develop that, because the confidence isn't there. You know, they try to supplement that with all these bizarre rituals, and maybe it's even entertaining watching people destroy themselves on the internet, but it ultimately does not achieve the end, which they would claim that they are seeking in the first place. So then how do you do it? How does a guy, because people say, how do I pick up a girl? And, you know, worked out for me. And when I was single,

I, you know, I kind of enjoyed talking to girls. And I, it's because I'm part Italian. I don't know what it is. But I'm not some hulking Adonis. What is it? Well, women like a bit of confidence. Yeah. So then the guy says, how can I be confident? You say, you got to just be confident. It's not a good answer. No, you have to actually be good at something. And that's the thing is once you actually find what you are good at and you lean into that, you find a way to monetize it, you will develop a kind of irrational self-confidence, which on paper, women will tell you they hate. They really don't. They actually enjoy that. They prefer it even. And so, yeah, you can't just say, hey, man, just be confident and then give yourself a pep talk in

the mirror or something. You actually have to have some kind of like skill or ambition or purpose, which makes you feel like you are, you know, making the right moves. And then all the other stuff will sort of fall into place naturally, I think. But yeah, I'm not surprised. prize that guys who are, you know, binge watching these kinds of streamers or doing nothing else productive with their lives or, like, scratching their heads. Like, why is it not working? Why do I not feel a sense of confidence? It's like, you haven't earned it. The other thing is, women don't actually care about looks that much. I'm not saying, like, if they had like some giga chat or something, fat ugly guy, they would take the gigacad. Yeah. But they don't, they're not as visual in their attractions

as men are. Men are very visually attracted. For women, it's other stuff. That's why, like, kind of shlobby looking guys, if they're funny or if they, I don't know, if they just have something, are, can, they can get the hot chick much more than the gal in the other direction. Yeah, I found like this photo of this person and I was like, I think she's beautiful. And then I kept scrolling on the timeline and I saw that this person indicated they may actually be trans and I was like, oh no. Wow. That makes you gay, gay, accidentally gay. Yeah, by the transitive property, unfortunately. By the transit of property, yes. And you. And you, You have no control over that.

I know. Because she could be Marilyn Monroe, but then, and you say, she's good looking. And then tomorrow, if she's trans, you're gay. I actually dated a girl one time who was liberal, and we got into it about the trans stuff. And I told her what I thought? And she started laughing at me. And I was like, what's so funny? And she produced a photo of herself as a toddler, and it looked exactly like a little boy.

And I have never genuinely been more scared in my life. I thought I was going to have to kill her. Yeah. And then I demand, I was like, we're going to go back to your house and we're going to go through old baby, I need to see the evolution of this Pokemon. Like I need, yeah. And so she, sure enough, was a girl, which I was very happy to find out, but that like genuinely scary. You weren't. You wouldn't have to commit a secular liberal honor killing. Yeah, I would be very bad. I'm very happy about that. I will, I will currently die, never having done anything gay and never having smoked

marijuana, which itself is maybe related to being gay. Yeah. You know, I had, I had a, somehow I made it out of Yale without being a Finoque. But I puffed on the devil's lettuce. Yeah, I mean, I get, like, I don't think I'm holier than now. It was just an aversion I had because I saw the culture surrounding it. I was like, this is great. Yeah, it doesn't do anything for me. Yeah. My speed round.

All right. Do Groypers hate me more than you, Michael Knowles? Do they hate John Doyle more than me? That's right. For sure. For sure. They do. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Why? Because I didn't support Kanye West for president. And they have, like, dude, it's funny. because they'll confront me in person and be like, why did you do this to us? And I'm like, what? You said this.

Where? Will you have hostility? Where? Will you? And so that was like, I got confronted at the TPSA event, and this was the interaction. The recent one, America Fest?

They came up to me. This was filmed. And so they were just like, you know, trying to confront me and own me. And I saw that they were filming it. And so I just kind of stood there. And eventually they called my friend retarded, which I did not appreciate.

So I said, hey, don't call me. What are you doing? We're at a dead man's event right now. And you're trying to bring up e-drama and you don't even have like an explanation for it. This is absurd. And finally, after he said some comment to me that was to the effect of like, you know, have fun, like performing an untoward homosexual act on a certain right-wing media figure,

whatever. And this was, of course, referring to my involvement now at Blaze. And I allegedly made a comment to the effect of, yeah, you're lucky I'm no longer independent because if I were, I would break your effing jaw. And I, like, took a step towards him and they immediately scurry, right? And so then they, of course, post the clip, which I didn't think. they were going to do. I was like, you obviously got mugged there. You came up, you had a big problem. I took one step towards you. You scurried off. So, like, what's going on? But they still, of course,

because it's all about e-drama and vanity. They post the clip or whatever. So I've heard about 10 different versions of the story at this point. I've never addressed it publicly because I don't care about e-drama. I don't have an appetite for it. But no, it all stems from that. I was standing by Trump in 2022 when he was bleeding allies. These people then, as they are now, are saying he's insufficiently conservative, he's hosting gay weddings at Mar-a-Lago, we have to support Kanye West for president. I said, I don't know about this. And then I was in a group chat, I think, on Instagram with like a bunch of right-wing accounts and I got scolded for this. And so I said, fair enough, good luck guys, and I left. And then the hit went out and we're over three

years into that now. So you know what the secret is? You've just hit on it at the very end there. I think the way that I've avoided some of the, this drama, Is one, maybe I'm just not like hip enough. I don't know, maybe I'm a little, but you know the other thing? I don't, to ever text anybody back. Yeah. I'm not in, I get added to all these groups, Signal, Instagram.

I'm in all these GCs, you know, but I don't contribute at all, almost ever. Yeah. And which makes me like a bad friend and unresponsive, but then I get out of the drama. Then no one's coming at me because all the, you know, like they do this now in right wing media. They just, everyone's just posting

everyone's texts all the time. Yeah. Ain't never gonna post my. Because I don't send them. They don't have them. That's it. They post their text. It's going to be a wall of text to me that I don't respond to.

And they'll call you a jerk. They'll say this guy thinks it. I think about this all the time. Guilty. And you'll have to forgive me for making a reference to a Marvel movie. But it's the scene in maybe one of the Avengers movies where this like female superhero like spawns in front of Thanos and she's like, you took everything from me. And he's like, I don't even know who you are.

I feel like that all the time where I will hear second, third hand, you know, hey, this guy was saying that you did blah, blah, blah, he's got a real problem with you. He's got a real problem with you and I'm like what is it and it turns out to be like three years ago I accidentally didn't answer like a Twitter DM and this has just been like accumulating and festering and now he like tries to get me canceled from an event or something and it's like what are we doing? It is high school never ends by bowling for soup. I have read thousands and thousands and thousands of pages of toilet paper books that will be forgotten by time. High school never ends by bowling for soup is the most profound social commentary possibly ever. It is informed so much of how I navigate this space that I would recommend the viewers take a listen because it's absolutely true. That's all it is, is high school.

And there is an important thing. I mean, it's not just you want to avoid drama, like some of that too, but the other thing is, a lot of sin, and even just, even below the level of sin, just a lot of the things that get guys off their path on the things that they should be doing is distraction. There's so many distractions,

there's so many allurements in the world, and they can get you off track. And so it's not, this is my defense of being a jerk and not texting him back, but like, you get, I can barely do like, three or four things in a day. Yeah. You've got to really dig in in this culture

where you have the attention span of a fruit fly. You got it, and so when the phone is, bing, bing, bing, and you know, Sally said to Johnny, it's like you kind of have to just put it aside. That's my defense of being a jerk and not being meticulous or anything. Yeah, no, it's certainly very real. Okay.

You're clearing, okay. There was some speed round. We're getting into like a three-hour discourse on each question. Should spouses have the login for each other's social media accounts? I said no. No.

Yeah. Why does your wife have social media accounts? She doesn't. Yeah, obviously. Yeah. There was why. No, you know, Sweet-a-L-Lisa, she still has, like, lurker accounts, or sometimes she'll say, oh, for Lent, I might give up this or that.

But no, I don't, you know, to take the question more head on, I don't want surveillance on a husband and a wife. I don't, you know, some couples do find my friend for their spouse. Yeah. I don't need that. Yeah. First of all, what am I doing? They're like three places I go.

Yeah. It's work, church, usually with my wife, and the cigar bar. So, you know, you can process of elimination, you basically figure out where I am. But even if I'm traveling for work or something like that, I don't, if you're checking your spouse's Instagram DMs, like 15 things have already gone wrong that you should address. I don't like it. Yeah. Yeah, and, you know, people will try to avoid those baseline root issues and try to solve the problem by, you know, oh, I feel like I can trust you more. You can't because now you have this thing in front of you, which you're going to continue indulging in, and it's just going to create this.

kind of impulse to distrust them or to be skeptical. Yeah, it's the pre-nup. It's the pre-nup of Instagram. You know, you're setting yourself up for failure. The eternal pre-up. Mm-hmm. Okay. Do you know the definition of something that is both evil and retarded?

Oh, like, you're not an example. Like I can think about 100 examples of that, but you're saying the definition of something that is both evil and retarded. Like the definition of what that sort of a thing would be? Suppose. I would say yes. I said yes. What is the thing?

Is he alluding to something in particular? I trusted that you would be able to come up with an adequate answer. My first thought was the American political system, and I thought it was that Sam Francis quote, you know, about you have an evil party and a stupid occasionally to do something together, does both evil and stupid. So that is maybe where I thought you were going to that.

I didn't know it was a Sam Francis thing. Okay, okay. So yes. Okay, yeah, because I was going to say in a really basic level, it would, you would have to say sin. I don't want to sound like the church lady, but it would be, sin is both, evil and retarded in like a perfect way. It's totally irrational because it's opposed to the

Lagos and it's evil in that it's a, you know, a privation of the good. Sure. But there are many examples of things that are evil and retarded. That's right. Yeah. And they do go hand in hand ultimately. Quite often. You know, I mean, people can be really clever about their evil and people can be really kind of naive, you can't say innocent, but they could be naive about their kind of stupid things that they do, maybe even innocent, but when they go together, the Sam Francis quote, an acerbic writer, but he has some real one-liners. Yes. Yes. Now, folks, before we move on, do you want to bring John Doyle to your home? Because if you do, you have to message me for the prices. If you're a little too cheap to buy John, you can get the yes or no game. This is

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This is, folks, the final round. The prompt will be read. We will both log in our answers and then move our glasses to yes or no to see if we can read each other's minds. This round is worth double points. It could change everything. It actually could change everything because the score right now I'm apparently winning six to four. Okay, ready? So I'm going to put, you got to clear your answer.

I'm going to put my glass here on Knowles. You put yours on Doyle. All right, so we lock in our own answers and we move the other guy's cup to where we think they would answer. Should America prioritize demographic stability over economic growth? Yes. I mean, I don't mean to downplay it. Sometimes I'm, I guess, a figure of the new right, and I'm a little more avant-garde, maybe in some of my political thinking compared to the stasis of the last 30 years. However, some guys on the new right, they're a little cavalier about economic growth. Who cares about the economy? But, no, no, economic growth is very important.

Practical interests in geopolitics, like, it really matters. Yeah. But if you had to pick one or the other, and I don't think they're even opposed necessarily. But if you had to pick one over the other, we're a country first. We're not an economic zone. Yeah. Or country. If we try to be an economic zone with a country attached, we're going to fail at both.

Yeah. Now, it's absolutely right. And a lot of that is just driven by these guys who maybe are a bit younger. Maybe they've given up on the prospect of ever owning a home or something. And so it is kind of like the political equivalent of like FU dad where, you know, obviously your father's concerned about his zestiment and things like that. And so it is the younger way of saying, like we don't care about that. We need closed borders, mass deportations. But like you said, these are not incompatible. You actually can have both, supposing you have a political class that could achieve one. It would probably want to achieve the other as well, which seems to be what we're seeing now. So you want to hear something crazy. I'm going to quote, a right-wing thinker who would probably be banished for being too fiscistic or something today, who says the three pillars of conservatism today are religion, nationalism, and economic growth. Do you know who said that? I don't. The man who said that is Irving Crystal, the father of neo-conservatism. Isn't that crazy?

That is crazy. Because this is the thing where everyone's invading against the neocons, which I get what they mean by that, and I basically agree. but they're invaying against the second generation of these guys who were Trotskyites who entered the rights in the Cold War and the second generation are now like marching for trans rights in Gaza or whatever but the first generation

I still have some problems with the first generation obviously but like those guys are Pat Buchanan compared to their children basically and it's like in many cases literally their children yeah like I mean that quite literally Yes. But religion, nationalism, and economic growth, that's not my definition of conservative, but that is like the most right-wing version, almost that you can even imagine today. It's pretty good. It's directionally correct. Yes. Yes. Okay. Final question. Should AI companies be treated like nuclear labs heavily regulated?

Yes. Yes. Correct, correct. Yes. But, you know, I hedged a little. Like, the answer today, I would say, is yes, because we've done a good job at fixing the regulators. Yeah. And you can see going very, very wrong if you had like a truly, totally hopelessly corrupt bureaucracy regulator. Yeah. Also, because Peter Thiel, whom I quite like, and who's a very smart guy.

He paid you to say that, obviously. And who paid me to say that. And who has a gun to my head off camera, actually, if I don't. No. Peter Thiel, who is great. I mean, he, you know, he's got a lot of good ideas. He comes out and he says, the antichrist, he's very fascinated by the Antichrist. Yeah. And he says, the Antichrist, a lot of people think he's going to come around because of a lack of government regulation.

You know, AI is going to become this antichristic figure. Yeah. But actually, I think it's the opposite. I think it's going to come around because of government regulation. And I thought, well, hold on. First of all, it sounds like the sort of thing of the Antichrist might say. But second of all, you do run like a very prominent AI company. Like, that is like the best argument I've ever.

heard for the government not to regulate your own company. You know, it's good. I mean, you know, game respects game. That's a great argument. But ultimately, we're talking about something that is so powerful that I think that the libertarian view is no regulation. But the conservative view is, no, you have, this is something that has a great deal to say about the political order.

Yeah. And that really comes into questions about the common good. If we don't have something to say about that, who does? Right. Right. Yeah, I think that that was more or less my thinking where it's like, you know, on paper, would we like this to maybe perhaps not be regulated, regulated? We can have that conversation. It is going to be regulated. I like that Trump decided he wanted to throw his hat in the ring rather than leave it to what, California, California, California, California, California, and have those people out there be in charge of it, things of that nature. So is it possible that a Democrat could come in and then start to regulate it in a way that would be disadvantage to us. Like, of course, but that's going to happen anyway just because it's in California, Silicon Valley. So I want to regulate it. Yes. And I want that to be. us. It is good when we do things. It is bad when they do things. It is that simple. But that's hypocrisy. No. It's hypocrisy. If you support our side doing good things and you object to their side doing bad things, you're a hypocrite. Right. That is the line, isn't it?

Right? Yeah. I don't know if that logic took to it. So what happened? Yes. Because, John, did you win? I won by a lot. Just like I drew it up. I wanted to drink more free out on Marty It's a good Tom Collins. I'm also just so lucky because I'm way behind, I'm way behind on work. I'm way behind, like I have to do work tonight. And I have three little kids, you know, my wife at home, she's doing a lot juggling them, but I'm expected to do something. Right.

If I showed up, just three martinis blasted on marty gras, that would be bad because I'm waiting to have my two other martinis until after they go to bed. So the Nol's household has a position against the three martini lunch. I take it. The three, it's at most a one and a half martini lunch. Okay. Then you got to have the rest at dinner. Right.

Yes. So when are you going to have the Tom Collinses? Second, they're put in front of me. Let's go. Are we getting, are we really going to make, this is, are we going to make you slam? I think that would be excellent content. I'm not going to lie. All right.

Can we get the man to Tom Collinses, please? Can we, and I'll just look at this. I'm like a weakling here. The thing is, I don't want my integrity to be called into question. I don't want people to be like, he didn't actually drink. They'll call you a Welch. You're right. Exactly.

Yeah, you're right. Could we? Can I get a cigar, too? I know we have a couple in the studio right now. If we're going to, if he's going to drink. Hey, if we have cigars. Could we have, I'll give you, while they prepare our drinks, you need to go check out the John Doyle show on YouTube, The Blaze, MySpace, wherever you listen to your podcasts. I'm not going to say see you next time on yes or no yet. I'm going to say we're taking a pause while two separate Tom Collinses are being made for you and the cigars are being brought. Thank you, Professor. Now hold on, hold on. That's only one glass. Oh, it's a double.

Is that a double? This is actually... There's a greater girth on this glass... That's true. That's true, it might be more than a double. Okay. And did we have a cigar? Yeah, we don't, you know, we don't need to be so precious about it.

I just want... If he's going to drink, I would like a cigar. You know, actually... Three card Monty. Yeah, would you like a cigar? These are Mayflowers. Would you like the dusk or the dawn? Dealer's choice.

Okay, I would... Do you smoke regularly? Not regularly. It's a nice, most popular one that we have. Do we have a light? No. These people bring me smokes. We don't even have a light. See, we have a girl for this in my studio. Do we? Yeah, this is, do we, does anybody have a light on the... No, because no one smokes anymore, because we're not a proper country. Right. Thank you, sir. I appreciate you. Would you like me to cut your...

Please. A cigar for you? Okay. I actually have to make another one of those videos, uh, speaking about Black History. And I thought that this would be the perfect lubricant. Oh, look, uh... What's your comment? I don't know. We may do malcolm. Malcolm X. Because, you know, back to the commentary class, so many of these people who believe that their right-wing or conservative think that, like, Malcolm X is an ally of sorts to, you know, the right-wing cause or whatever. This is the guy who would go out talking about, like, killing white police officers, the Black Panthers who would stage these ambushes on innocent white cops were, of course, inspired by this rhetoric.

Yeah, killing Kennedy was the chickens coming home. Yes, yeah. So it's just all these villains who like JFK because they, like, look cool and got a couple movies made about them. Didn't... Did Oliver Stone also make the Malcolm X movie? Am I just inventing that? I'll choose to believe it. Anybody who gets a movie made out of them or made about them and wears like Clubmasters or something is considered like cool. Mm-hmm. Did. Okay. All right. Now you got you got to slam it. You know one topic. While you drink that, I have a topic that you have to cover for Black History Month.

Make sure that's lit. Okay. All right. I'll see if I can get this whole pitch out while you drink that Tom Collins. I do have to slam. There you go. That's a big one. That's a big one. Chin chin. Cheers. To your health. That's right. So my pitch, while you slam that Tom Collins.

Well, look, he's going fast. Yakub. Speaking of Malcolm X. I want to let me to slow you done. Nation of Islam. He's the coldness. The black demiurge who created the white race in the mythology of the nation of Islam. And who knows, maybe in reality, if Malcolm X is right.

Yakub is not sufficiently understood. He looks kind of Somali. He's got a gigantic head because of his big brain. And he invented the white race. race to get back at some other black people, and then the white race enslaved the world through their use of technology. Mm-hmm. This is good.

Now, I don't know about you, but I feel like my day-to-day is spent doing a kind of arithmetic where I wake up and I begin the stimulants, nicotine, caffeine. I get to cruising altitude. The rest of the day, I try to maintain that, and then if I try to go to sleep, now I have to begin the consumption of alcohol, you know, just get us safely back onto the air strip. To the realm of the walking and the living. Yeah. So this is sort of like a speedball because I've got the alcohol and the nicotine at the same time.

I hope we don't John Belushi you. I hope you don't become John Belushi Doyle. I would prefer that that outcome not be what happens. You are a man of your word and you slammed the double Tom Collins in shocking speed. And I don't even, I'm not like a drinker. Yeah. I'm just, I'm not even a drinker. I'm not even drinking anymore.

You know, I didn't start drinking until I actually entered conservative. media because I would go to these parties and everyone would hand me what I believed was a glass of water and it turns out it was a glass of straight vodka. Yeah, no, listen, I never started drinking until I was in conservative media because of all the people that you're around. Yeah. Because you have to be around all the time. John, thank you for coming on the show. Yes, sir. Not loving your AT&T or T Mobile Bill. Yeah, we've been hearing that a lot. Good news. Bring your AT&T or T Mobile Bill to Verizon and we'll give you a better deal. So get away from that unfortunate phone bill and get to Verizon. Run, ride, Canoe. Whatever it takes, we'll be here.

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