The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1046 - The Strange Case Of Ray Epps

Episode Date: July 14, 2022

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Do you remember Ray Epps? He's one of the stranger figures from the January 6th saga. He was the guy who was caught on camera not only participating in, but actually leading the riot into the Capitol. Tomorrow, we need to go into the Capitol. It's a pretty weird behavior. A lot of people thought it was weird at the time. You can actually hear them in the first part of that clip. They're chanting Fed, Fed, Fed.

He's saying, go and storm the Capitol. And they're saying, no, don't storm the Capitol. This guy's a Fed. Don't listen to him. Things then got even weirder because after the riot, as federal agents began locking up Midwestern dads and Trump supporting grandmas for getting a little too rowdy in the Capitol Rotunda, the guy caught on tape inciting the riot was never arrested. Well, now things have gotten even weirder because the New York Times has just published a glowing puff piece on him. The article is by Adam Goldman, who is a major propagandist for the FBI-led Russia hoax. Now, he writes, quote, Ray Epps has suffered enormously in the past 10 months as right-wing media figures and Republican politicians have baselessly described him as a covert government agent who helped to instigate the attack on the Capitol last year. He goes on. During the event, he was videotaped by a right-wing provocateur, encouraging people to go inside

the Capitol on January 6th, in what he described, even at the time, as a form of peaceful protest. But what, are they, they're defending, according to the New York Times, every single person who was anywhere near the Capitol on January 6th is an insurrectionist and a terrorist that almost overthrew our sacred democracy, except for the guy who incited the people to go in there. He's apparently a great guy for some reason, and we should all stop calling him a Fed. That's what the New York Times wants me to believe. I don't know if Ray Epps is a Fed or not, but I do know that a New York Times puff piece is not helping his case. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Noles show. Welcome back to the show. My favorite comment yesterday is from Nick Pugvara,

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the Capitol. He's a poor put upon man. He's a victim. Please stop calling him a Fed. But it's not just on Trump. It's not just on January 6th. It's not even just against the Republicans. You're seeing this propaganda throughout our political process, especially when it comes to COVID. So Dr. Fauci, he's making the rounds again. What did I tell you? You know I hate to say I told you so. I told you when Dr. Fauci went into hiding, coincidentally, right around the time that my documentary, Fauci unmasked, came out, coincidentally, right around the time that the Michael Noll's public health protection pledge was going around members of Congress and the congressional candidates around the country, all of a sudden, Dr. Fauci disappears from public view. I said, don't you think that he's

gone forever? He is going to come back. They are going to bring back COVID before the midterm elections. And what do you know? Here comes Dr. Fauci, admitting that maybe the vaccines haven't been totally super duper effective so far, and that's why we've got another round of COVID. There's no doubt that the vaccines themselves, particularly vaccine plus a booster at the appropriate time when you become eligible for a booster for more than one booster, if you're over 50 years old, you get eligibility for two boosters. One of the things that's clear from the data that even though vaccines, because of the high degree of transmissibility of this virus, don't protect overly well, as it were, against infection.

They protect quite well against severe disease leading to hospitalization and death. And I believe that's the reason, Neil, why, at my age, being vaccinated and boosted, even though it didn't protect me against infection, I feel confident that it made a major role in protecting me from progressing to severe disease. And that's very likely why I had a relatively mild course. The vaccines don't work, which is why you need to get more vaccines to protect yourself against the virus that the vaccines don't protect you against overly well. You follow that. My head is spinning. I love that. Listen here. The vaccines do not protect against infectious.

overly well. You could drop the overly well. They don't protect against infection. It does it. Fauci got COVID. Maxine Waters got COVID twice in two months. The director, secretary of HHS got COVID twice in 26 days, I believe it was, Xavier Bacera. A number of other very prominent people who are vaxed and boosted. Not only are they infected, but they get infected multiple times in a very short period of time. And so now the propagandists have to move the goalposts. Fagchi says, listen, look, the vaccines don't protect overly well against infection, but I promise you right now, trust me everybody, they protect really well against it being worse. It's that phrase that everyone has to recite when they get COVID, even though they're axed and boosted. They say, well, yes,

while I contracted COVID, I'm so grateful that I'm vaxed and boosted. Because I know, based on nothing, that had I not been vaxed and boosted, it would have been so much worse. And the way that they get away with this is they pretend that they didn't originally tell you that the vaccines were going to stop you from catching COVID. They are memory-holing all of those clips. I tried to dig them back up because I remembered that they talked about that and I pulled up all my old links that I had for it. The links are dead. They have been burying this thing on the internet. Accounts that posted this on social media, they've killed the accounts. I had to go back. to an old episode of my show to find the clips that had previously been on the internet that had

been scrubbed from the internet in which Fauci and Walensky and Biden and all of the rest of them promised you that if you got the COVID vaccine, you would not be infected with the virus. You're okay. You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations. These vaccines are highly, highly effective. Vaccinated people do not carry the virus. Don't get sick. They're really, really good against variants. Everyone who takes the vaccine is not just protecting themselves, but reducing their transmission to other people and allowing society to get back to normal. Get your first shot, and when you're due for your second, get your second shot.

A key goal is to stop the transmission, to get the immunity levels up so that you get almost no, almost no infection going on whatsoever. When people are vaccinated, they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected. When people are vaccinated, when people are vaccinated, they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected. What are you talking about? We never told you that the vaccines would protect against infection? No, no. And liberals,

got to love them. They will tell you with a straight face, the vaccines were never supposed to protect you against infection. No, no. Oceania was always a war with East Asia. They were never supposed to protect you against infection or transmission. The purpose of the vaccines was always to mitigate the risk of hospitalization, or death. What about those clips of Wallensky and Biden and Fauci all telling you that the point of

the vaccines was to stop you from infection and that they would stop you from being infected with the virus? Well, those clips are gone. Other than on this show, I challenge you to find those clips anywhere else on the internet. I don't think you will. They're probably going to scrub this episode because of that. And so this is how the propaganda works. They just rewrite history. They memory hole, all the old stuff. the vaccines were never supposed to stop you from infection. The vaccines were never supposed to stop transmission. Ray Epps is definitely not a Fed. Move along, move along. Nothing to see here. And so now that they've accomplished that part, now they're moving on to part two, which is COVID's coming back and you all need to mask up again. Good news is that we have the capability and the tools to address it. And we just

need to utilize those tools. For example, getting vaccinated if you're not primarily vaccinated, if you're due for a booster, use a booster. And when you're in an area where you have a high dynamic of infection, and we're not talking about mandating anything, but we're saying recommending people when they are in indoor congregate settings to wear a mask. Those are simple, doable things that can help prevent us from having even more of a problem than we're having right now.

He's not talking about mandating anything yet. He'll be talking about mandating things in about three, weeks. And then he'll tell you, no, I never said we're not going to mandate anything. And then it's going on and on, like a frog in water. They're just turning it up, starting with, oh, actually, the COVID variants are back. Oh, actually, you're going to want to get your extra booster. Oh, maybe you're going to want to put that mask on again. Oh, maybe you're going to want to stand six feet apart. Oh, maybe you're going to want to mail in your vote and not show up. Because, because, you know, some people told you so and some people put their Nostradamus hats on and because COVID is the only issue

on which this administration is even slightly above water, and it's the issue that makes it easiest to cheat in the election by being able to extend election day and encourage widespread mail and ballots, all of which make the election system much more vulnerable to fraud. That's the words of Barack Obama. That's not even my point entirely. Though I agree with Obama on that, and maybe on only that point. So they're going to bring it back. We are in mid-July, folks. The election is not until November. Expect a lot more COVID. This, obviously makes people very tense. You're probably going to want to relax. When you want to relax, I recommend an Allform sofa. Right now, go to Allform.com slash Knowles. I have invited you into

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He gets out of the airplane. He's still there right on the tarmac. He gives a little speech about how important it is to keep alive the honor of the Holocaust. I will once more return to the hollow ground of Yad Shavim to honor six million. Jewish lives were stolen into genocide and continue, which we must do every, every day, continue to bear witness. To keep alive the truth and honor of the Holocaust, horror of the Holocaust, honor those we lost. The truth and honor of the Holocaust. Cool it with the anti-Semitism, buddy.

A typical Biden gaff. We've had a lot of these Biden gaffs recently. Biden always puts his foot in his mouth, but because now he is senile, He's doing it pretty much every time he speaks. He is reading things on the teleprompter. He's not supposed to read. He reads lines like, repeat the line. He doesn't actually repeat the line.

He just reads that line from the teleprompter. He stumbles around parties and no one wants to talk to him and it's caught on camera and it's very embarrassing. He doesn't seem to remember where he is. He constantly says very foolish things. But that's not the worst of it. If that were all that were going on, they would lock Joe Biden in a closet, just like they did during the campaign,

and he would be fine, and the technocrats and the apparatchiks would run the government, and things would be hunky-dory, and the Democrats would not be completely destroyed in November. The problem is that everything in the country right now is falling to pot. Most notably, inflation. Inflation just keeps going up. The inflation number for June.

So it's June 2021 to June 22, 9.1%. the stuff that you buy is 9.1% more expensive this year than it was last year. This is really bad. People expected inflation to be bad, and then you hit record inflation, and then the next month you hit record inflation. Then the next month you hit record inflation. And then you're looking at June, and the analysts at Dow Jones predict an 8.8% inflation rate, and it even blows past. those horrible estimates to 9.1% on the consumer price index. This is devastating news for the Democrats and for the American people. I mean, you know this. You go to the grocery store. You order clothing online for your family. You try to fill the gas tank. It's so much more expensive. And inflation

hits people at the lower end of the income spectrum much, much harder. So it's particularly painful for working-class Americans, ordinary Americans. Really, really bad stuff. The only hope they have. I think Democrats thought that the overruling of Roe v. Wade was going to give them a big excitement boost in November, really fire them up to go to the polls. Very few people vote on abortion, and it's split between pro-life and pro-abortion. That's not going to do it. And especially when you're looking at record high inflation, people are struggling to feed their families. And there is no social issue that the Democrats are going to be able to gin up to get over that. You want to talk about Democrat financial mismanagement. You're seeing this in another goody that they're trying to

give out student loans. A lot of the Democrats, the really prominent Democrats who are pushing for student loan forgiveness have a little bit of an ulterior motive here. They've got a little bit of a conflict of interest because they themselves are carrying a bunch of student debt. AOC, who is one of the people leading the charge for student loan forgiveness, she has a lot of between $17,000 and $50,000 worth of student loan debt, according to financial disclosures. And AOC is complaining about this. And she says, it's so terrible that I have all this student loan debt. I took out all this debt to go to a college where I didn't really learn very much, to get a degree that wasn't worth very much. And then I just went back and was a bartender

afterward. Then she became a member of Congress. So now she might be able to pay off that debt. She was complaining. She said, I couldn't even go to grad school because I knew it would require me to take out so much more debt, as if AOC should be going to graduate school. As if AOC should have gone to college. As if AOC, whatever education AOC got it today with educational standards so far below what they once were, it's probably the equivalent of an eighth grade education 50 or 60 years ago, just much, much more expensive and Professor AOC, Dr. AOC was not able to go to college. Rashida Taleb, who, again, I don't want to be rude or mean. not the brightest bulb in the pack, not the sharpest tool in the shed.

If a strong wind blew through her left ear, it would whistle out her right ear. Rashida Taleb has between $70,000 and $100,000 of student loan debt. 44 members of Congress, that's 8% of the House and Senate combined. It's actually probably significantly higher in the House. I would imagine student loan debt is more concentrated in the House of Representatives. they are carrying student loan debt. So the move to forgive student loans is self-serving. And it's particularly self-serving because people who have college degrees and advanced degrees are more likely to make more money. And so you're asking the American people as a whole to pay for

the poor financial decisions of people who are statistically more likely to make more money than the average American. That seems really wrong. A tax on the poor to pay for the rich. That seems pretty wrong to me, doesn't it? So it's self-serving. It's wrong. It was a poor financial decision for AOC and Rashida Taleb. But I don't want to just say it's all the fault of the individual. Don't take out this debt.

It is their fault. You should make sure when you go into debt that you are going to get a good return on that investment. And I don't just mean majoring in some engineering degree or studying a trade or something. college education, liberal education is a wonderful thing. If it's not training you for a job, the purpose of a liberal education is just to train you to make sense of your own freedom and to read lots of old dusty books that are not directly applicable to any job. And I think that is worth something, absolutely. So you can quantify a return on investment in a lot of different ways. But right now, AOC, Rashida Tilebe, they're not getting any of that. They're not being

trained for a job. They're not receiving a classical education. They probably can't spell very well. I mean, they're not getting a high-caliber education, and they're taking out tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt to do it. The debt problem is a big issue because debt is slavery. It is. Debt is not just an individual problem. It is a social problem. When we have a society where people are mired in debt, that compromises people's freedom. Because when you are in debt, you have got to service that debt and that will dictate the kinds of decisions. can make. And so I think this is a political problem. I do think I agree, at least in part in principle, what the people are saying, we need to do something about student debt. We need to do something about the cost of college. But I don't think the answer to that is just forgive everybody's student loan debt. That's insane. All you're going to do then is incentivize these horrible leftist colleges to keep hiking the price of tuition because they know the taxpayers are going to foot the bill. You're encouraging more people who have absolutely no business in a college

classroom like AOC and Rashida Talib to go and get these useless degrees in gender studies or whatever, sociology or something, and learn nothing but leftist indoctrination for four years and then go out and become more likely to be Democrats and vote for the Democrat Party. That's not a good system at all. We need to figure out a way. I'm not proposing a whole system. Maybe we'll maybe do a show in the future on how to deal with the debt problem. But we have to address the problem in such a way that it does not incentivize more of what got us into this place in the first place. If we solve the debt problem, we need to do it in such a way that brings the colleges into line that does not just create a factory for Democrats and does not stick the whole bill on the taxpayers. Got to figure out a way.

I mean, if you think about the way that we in the West consider debt until the modern era, until the 16th or 17th century, there was a prohibition on usury. There was a prohibition on charging interest on loans that were not productive. So you can charge interest on loans if the loan is going to be invested in some project that is going to return a big profit. The people who invest in that project have a right to receive some share of the profits there. But on an unproductive loan, if you charge interest, that is usury. And the loans that we are seeing for college these days are in many cases not productive. You do not get a return on that investment. So I think We need to go a little bit deeper than just, well, you took out the debt, that's your problem,

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Look forward to hearing from you. We will be right back. with a lot more. Joe Biden is spending our money very stupidly. The Democrats in Congress want to spend our money very stupidly for giving all of their student loans. There are people in this country who are still using money well. Truly one of the best examples of this I could cite. It's a Texas company that is paying employees not to have abortions. So you've heard all these stories ever since the overruling of Roe v. Wade of woke companies, and even not woke companies, even Tesla is doing this. Lots and lots of companies are offering to pay for the travel expenses of employees who want to go out and have abortions in other states. And it's so self-serving. One, it keeps these companies

in the good graces of the woke mob, but two, it's self-serving because it's a lot cheaper for these companies to encourage their employees to kill their children than to have to pay them for maternity leave than to risk the employees not being quite so focused on their jobs because they're thinking about their kids and maybe they got to leave early one day to go pick Johnny up from school because he got sick. And that's just a big headache for companies. They want to keep you barren, sterile. They want your kids dead and they want you sitting in front of a desk, doing spreadsheets, not spending any time with your family, spending all of your time working for some other guy so that you can get a paycheck so that you, if you do have kids, can pay some other woman to raise your kids.

That's what they want. Okay. And so they've got all. all of these financial incentives to encourage you to kill your kids. This great Texas company is paying employees $7,500 to choose adoption. It says these businesses are ignoring the possibility that many employees may simply need a little more help to carry their baby to term. Instead of blindly paying people to end an unborn child's life, companies should consider paying them to welcome that life into the world. This is according to the CEO of this company. I forget his first name, but his last name is Rex. It says that's why my business has decided to give up $7,500 for employees who want to have their baby and give it up for adoption. For me, the motivation

is equal parts personal and professional on the former front. I'm passionately pro-life. Yet there's also a strong corporate case to be made against abortion. And so I really like this argument that he's making. He's saying, obviously, I'm very pro-life, but there's a business decision here, too. And he points out, women who have abortions often open themselves up to all sorts of mental health problems. Now, is this really the motivation for this policy? Not really. The motivation for the policy is to save babies, because it's the right thing to do. But he's pointing out, there is a corporate cost here, too, because when women kill their children, that gives them a trauma. It's very, hard for them. They've got to process that, especially if they don't realize what they're doing

at the time or if they haven't fully appreciated what they're doing at the time, later on they realize, oh my gosh, I killed my child. Of course, that's going to give women all sorts of problems. I'm speaking anecdotally here, but the plural of anecdote is data. I know women, I've got women in my family and friends who have had abortions. I suspect all of us do. And the women who have had abortions, especially the ones who have had multiple abortions, they have problems. They've got a lot of problems dealing with that grief. Some of them have become pro-life, and they realize how terrible it is what they did. Some of them still support abortion, and they haven't quite admitted that to themselves, and they still have lots of problems. And so this guy says for business reasons,

for ethical reasons, I'm going to support adoption. Really, really wonderful stuff. I hope a lot more companies do that as well. Meanwhile, the Dems are doubling down on abortion on demand without apology. The House has been holding these hearings on abortion.

The House Democrats called an abortion witness. Sarah Lopez, who said abortion is not just a necessary evil. Abortion is the best decision I ever made. What these restrictions are intended to do is try and stop people from having abortions, but abortion is health care. My abortion was the best decision I ever made. It was an act of self-love, and I'm here today to make sure that everybody who currently needs an abortion, who has had an abortion or will need an abortion, is not alone, no matter what the state tries to force upon us.

It's the best decision that I ever made, she said. I honor my abortion. If you look this woman up, she has her testimony of how much she loves abortion. She says, I honor my abortion by no longer giving an SHIT about what people will think if they know I've had an abortion. That goes for friends and family. I've spent way too much of my life trying to please people. I love my abortion and I will remain unapologetic because it's the best decision I've

ever made. The best decision? I wish I would have known that the shame that I felt after my abortion was due to harmful restrictions in Texas that are put in place to stigmatize abortion, not because I did anything wrong. From the moment I found out I was pregnant, I knew I didn't want to have a child in almost five years later. I've never regretted my abortion, all capital letters, she writes. But it took me a long time to reclaim my sense of self because the patriarchal society tells us our bodies are not ours. So there you go. Now you realize. When you hear this woman speak in the testimony, you think, the best decision

you ever made? I could understand maybe you say it was a good decision. I don't regret this, but it's the best decision. The lady doth protest too much, me thinks. And then here she admits, yeah, I felt a lot of shame after my abortion, but that's only because of the patriarchy and the society and the unfair stigma. No, darling, it's your conscience is what it is. It's because of the moral reality that even you with your conscience that has maybe been dulled and deadened by left, deftist ideology is still able to perceive and you know it's awful and you know you've murdered your child. And what did it give you? What did you get? What was the reward for murdering your child? Now you get to be a shill for the liberal establishment that seeks to convince lots of other women to

kill their babies so that they can be more productive in the neoliberal marketplace and you get to prattle on for an afternoon in front of a bunch of degenerate members of Congress and then you'll your 15 minutes will be up and you'll go back to obscurity. and that's what you get. Was that worth it? Was that really worth it? You don't regret it at all. You sure are talking about this a lot for someone who doesn't regret this decision. Oh, this was no big deal. It doesn't bother me in the least. Well, then how come you keep talking about how little it bothers you? Who are you trying to convince? Who are you trying to convince? You're not convincing me. You're not convincing, I think, most people in the audience. Something tells me you're not convincing

yourself either. And not convincing the American people. You know, this, the momentum is clearly on the side of pro-life here. You see it legally. You see it politically. You see it from the elected representatives. You see it happening in the states. And the libs are very upset because they're losing their, their tight grip over this abortion regime. So the DOJ. What's the DOJ trying to do right now? They're launching a task force to protect women's reproductive rights. This just came out story from Reuters. And they're saying, okay, the U.S. Department of Justice unveils a new task force that aims to protect women's reproductive rights. The task force will be chaired by the Associate Attorney General, Vanita Gupta,

to monitor and evaluate state laws that will threaten to infringe on federal legal protections related to reproductive health care, by which they mean abortion. But there is no constitutional right to an abortion. That's what the Supreme Court has declared. Those federal legal protections for abortion are pretty flimsy. The states are going to protect life. And there's relatively very little that the federal government can do about that. There is one interesting aspect to this, though. And you see it in the Reuters article.

They say, although abortion is the focus of many state laws, reproductive health care advocates have warned that some of these bills could have far wider-reaching implications for women's health beyond the procedure itself, beyond abortion. Some of the state bills, for instance, recognize personhood from the moment of fertilization, a definition that could hamper in vitro fertilization treatments in which doctors collect and fertilize a woman's eggs in hopes of finding a viable embryo for transfer into her uterus. This is a great point. And if the Democrats were smart, if the pro-abortion people were smart, this is the area that they would really focus on if they're attacking the pro-life movement.

if they're attacking conservatives, and if they're attacking the person-heard laws that defend life from the very beginning. Because, and I alluded to this a few days ago on the show, but it's going to become a more important issue as this debate moves past should we overrule Roe v. Wade and moves into the next phase of the pro-life bioethical discussion. If our argument is that a person is a person from the very moment of conception, then it is very difficult for conservatives to defend in vitro fertilization because in vitro fertilization creates lots of moments of conception and it does so not in the conjugal act not in the old-fashioned way which is a lot of fun but in a test tube and then in practice i'm not saying this is always

what has to happen necessarily but in practice this is virtually always what happens in in vitro fertilization a lot of embryos are created and they're put in a freezer and and they're locked away. And then some are implanted. And sometimes even if too many embryos attach and grow within the womb, sometimes abortions will take place. Sometimes abortion will be recommended because they'll say, well, you know, you've got now quadruplets and you can't carry that.

That's not safe. And so it involves that. But even if abortion doesn't take place, do we really think that it is acceptable to lock up a bunch of human beings in a freezer indefinitely? No. And one way that some people have tried to make sense of this or tried to rectify this obvious evil is through something called embryo adoption, which has bioethical concerns in and of itself, where people will adopt embryos that are right now frozen in freezers and implant them in their own wombs. You don't really know who the parents are. You grow the

baby and then raise the baby is your own. That's one way to get around it, but you're still stuck with the intrinsic evil of creating a whole lot of human beings basically just to be put in a freezer forever. And I know that a lot of conservatives like in vitro fertilization, a lot of conservatives have personally benefited from in vitro fertilization because they were having fertility problems and maybe they couldn't conceive naturally. And so this was an option for them to get the baby that they so desperately wanted. But it's an option that has a whole lot of bioethical problems with it. And I think when we examine the issue really closely, and the libs are already starting to do this, and they're starting to point to this moral incoherence that the conservatives have right now,

I think when you look at the issue closely, you have to see that a situation in which, if we truly believe human beings or human beings from the very beginning, it is extremely evil to create lots and lots of human beings to lock up in a refrigerator for the foreseeable future. We can't tolerate that. Even if conservatives don't want to have this conversation, it will be had. You're seeing the liberals already begin to poke at this. You're seeing the federal government already begin to poke at this. You're seeing the media finally beginning to poke at this.

Conservatives need to have a good answer here. And I'm not sure that the right has fully thought through IVF, or at least large portions of the right. I'm not sure that they've fully thought through this. Speaking of the welfare of children, a major development in the alleged case of a rape of a child in Ohio. This was a story. We talked about it on the show a few days ago, and most conservatives, myself included, did not believe the story when it first came out. We just said it did. The story didn't quite add up. And the story was that there was a 10-year-old girl in Ohio who was raped and then she was not able to get an abortion. And Joe Biden said that

her life might have been at risk and she couldn't get an abortion in Ohio. And therefore, she had to go to Indiana to get an abortion because she really, really wanted to get an abortion. And the story just didn't really add up. The media were reporting on it in really weird ways. There were basically no sources here. The Ohio Attorney General looked into this and there weren't reports of this crime. That wasn't really coming up. The pro-abortion activist who first planted the story wasn't answering a lot of questions about it. Actually, in Ohio, if the girl were at risk, if her life were at risk, she could have had an abortion in Ohio, so it wouldn't have made sense that she had to go to Indiana if that were

the case. So it didn't really add up. But a suspect has been arrested in a rape that doesn't entirely fit the narrative we were told, but broadly speaking does check the boxes and does seem to fit this story. So then the question was, well, I guess the conservatives just got it wrong. But hold on, why was the story being reported in such a strange way in the first place? You didn't get the location, you didn't get any corroboration, you didn't get any reports of the crime itself. What was going on here? Now we have one possible answer as to why the story was being reported in such a weird way. Again, there's still a lot of questions with this story, but we have one possible answer, which is the suspect who was arrested in connection with the rape is an illegal alien. this illegal alien Gershont-Fuentes, 27 years old of Columbus, Ohio was arrested Tuesday and charged

with first-degree rape of raping, actually almost certainly a nine-year-old girl who then now is 10 years old, but she had just turned 10 years old when the story really came to light. So it might have been even a 27-year-old, illegal alien raping a nine-year-old girl. And then it starts to make sense. If the story, and again, the details keep changing here, but if the story broadly is true, Why would the media report on it in such a strange way? Oh, because they were covering up for an illegal alien. And this is something, this is something you got to remember. It actually ties right in with the New York Times story about Ray Epps at the beginning. It's not even about is Reap's a Fed or is Ray Epps not a Fed. In this case of this horrible rape in Ohio, it's not even about what exactly happened, where exactly did it happen. The first question you've got to ask, and this is a lesson for conservatives too, we have to remember this.

The first question you've always got to ask when you see these stories is, what is the angle of the media? Why are the media reporting on this story in this way? You've got to answer that question first before you can make sense of what the story actually is. Speaking of helping women, speaking of women's issues, Elizabeth Warren, Lioatha, Focontas, herself, Senator High Cheapbones, is introducing legislation to, not to help women, not to give women a choice, not to support all that choice, and women's lib that she always prattles on about. She's introducing legislation to shut down crisis pregnancy centers. Lots of places can expose you to identity theft.

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Terms apply. In Massachusetts, right now, those crisis pregnancy centers that are there to fool people who are looking for pregnancy, termination, help, outnumber true abortion clinics by three to one. We need to shut them down here in Massachusetts, and we need to shut them down all around the country. You should not be able to torture a pregnant person like that. You're torturing a pregnant person, she says, formerly known as a woman, a mother, you're torturing a mother, she says, if you offer her free or extremely low-cost resources to take care of her child. Crisis pregnancy centers are wonderful. They are actual

pregnancy centers to help actual pregnant women without killing their children. The one thing you can't get at a crisis pregnancy center is killing your children. Just like how at Planned Parenthood, Planned Parenthood pretends to be a big pregnancy center that serves all women and all sorts of women's health care. But you can't get all sorts of women's health care at Planned Parenthood. Their chief product is abortion. So if you want to kill your kid, you go to Planned Parenthood. If you want help with your pregnancy, if you're a struggling mother and you want help during the pregnancy itself or with birth or just afterward, for young mothers, you go to a crisis pregnancy center. I have had the privilege of speaking with all sorts of crisis pregnancy centers.

They do, truly, they do God's work on earth. Liz Warren wants to shut them down. Why? Because she doesn't want a choice. At the very least, we've got to get rid of this pro-choice moniker. They do not want a choice. They want you to kill your kid. They do not want you to just make an informed decision.

They don't want you to make an informed decision. They want to shut down the centers that will take care of you if you want to keep your child, and they want to federally fund the centers that will help you kill your child. That's it. It reminds me of this conversation between Betty Friedan, the American feminist, and Simone de Beauvoir, who was the strumpet of Jean-Paul Sartre, and she was a French feminist, and they had a debate over whether or not women should have the choice to stay at home. And Betty Friedan said, yeah, if a woman wants to go work, she can. If she wants to stay at home, she can. And that's great. She can have the choice. And Simone de Beauvoir said, no, she can't have the choice to stay home.

If women have the choice to stay home, they'll take that choice nine times out of ten, and that's not conducive to liberation. We have to force them to go to the workplace. Liz Warren is saying we have to force them to kill their kids, basically. If a woman is poor, if she's in trouble, if she's worried, if she's anxious, it's an unexpected pregnancy. We need to force her to kill the baby. We can't give her the choice because it's all about power. And more broadly, it's about serving a broader system. It's not about a woman's individual.

individual choice. All about power. We need to reintroduce logic and reason to the discussion. The left broadly has been trying to take logic and reason out of our politics. That's why they're taking away the meaning of all the words. If words don't have meaning anymore, or if the meanings of words change every single day, then we can't communicate, we can't have a civil dialogue, we can't have reason debate, politics ceases to be this reasoned process of figuring out how we can live the good life and how we can have a flourishing country, and it becomes a bare-knuckle brawl for raw interest and will. I want it and I want it now, and that's why I'm going to get it. That's not a good way to do politics. We need to reintroduce logic, especially to this discussion

around abortion. You know where we're hearing this from? Not just from the conservatives in America, not just from the right-wingers. We're even hearing this from the Holy Father, from the Pope, who is not the most conservative guy in the world. Some people think he's very, very far to the left, and he has said and done things that would justify that belief. Even the Pope was just asked about Joe Biden's stance on abortion, how Joe Biden supports abortion. And here is what Pope Francis said about this. He said, let Biden talk to his pastor about that incoherence. He called And frankly, I sort of wish that Pope Francis were even tougher here and were even more clear. But this phrase is pretty clear. He's saying that Joe Biden's defense of abortion is incoherence.

And it is incoherence. To defend abortion is incoherent. For someone who enjoys the right to life, to advocate denying the right to life, is intrinsically incoherent. You might say it's satanic. video going around, I have to get to this video. I meant to get to it yesterday. Of a young woman giggling over abortion. This woman, she's got all sorts of face tattoos. She's got a satanic symbol on her chest. And she's watching a video of a kind of satanic, demonic-looking and torturing a baby. And she's laughing and she's giggling. And she's getting a really big kick out of it. And she says, it's my favorite TikTok I've seen this week. Ha, ha, ha.

there are all sorts of secular explanations for this, the libs, and some of the conservatives even will say, oh, this is really, this is about leftism, this is about progressivism, this is about Marxism, this is about, this is a metaphor, they're trying to metaphorize everything. You know, Satan's really just a metaphor for man's natural capacity for evil. Sometimes, guys, it's just the devil. And actually, it's kind of like that IQ bell curve mean, at the bottom end of the IQ curve, they say, duh, everything is about the goodness of God and there's the evil of the devil and we got to pursue God. Right. And then the people in the middle, the midwits, they say, well, actually, you know, it's a metaphor and it's a metaphor for this aspect of the internal turmoil and chaos of man's soul.

Then you get up to the really smart guys at the top and they say, no, it's really, it's just about good versus evil. It's just about God. and the temptations of the devil and you've got to pursue God. And that's what this is about. People have been worshipping the devil for a lot longer than there has been leftism or Marxism. They all kind of play into the same thing. But every culture, everywhere around the world, has had some conception of God and some conception of the devil. Reminds me of that line from Antonin Scalia, where he was being mocked by a New York magazine reporter. And the reporter said, way. You believe in heaven and hell? He goes, uh-huh, I do. He says, you know, I even believe in the

devil. He said, you're looking at me like I'm weird. Do you realize that most people throughout history have believed in the devil, that the devil exists? Do you realize that many more intelligent people than you and me have believed that the devil exists? It's a very important line. It's a very important thing to remember. When we're trying to make sense of these political problems, sometimes, Listen to the dumb guy at the end of the IQ bell curve meme. Sometimes, all the time, actually, it really does come down to good versus evil. Those things that we try to write away as abstractions and metaphors and just mere images, those have reality. And we need to deal with that because we are imperiling our country and ourselves if we ignore it. I'm Michael Knowles. It's the Michael Knowles show.

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