The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1181 - Woke "Think Tank" Tries To Cancel Me
Episode Date: February 10, 2023Click here to join the member exclusive portion of my show: https://utm.io/ueSEl AOC makes a fool of herself over D.C.’s plan to let illegals vote, a liberal “think tank” botches an attempted a...ttack on Michael, and the CDC finally acknowledges problems with the COVID vaccine. - - - DailyWire+: Become a DailyWire+ member for 40% off to access movies, shows, documentaries, and more: https://bit.ly/3jJQBQ7 Get your Michael Knowles merch here: https://bit.ly/3X6tlKY - - - Today’s Sponsors: Birch Gold - Text "KNOWLES" to 989898 for your no-cost, no-obligation, FREE information kit: https://birchgold.com/knowles Jase Medical - Get a discount on your Jase Case with promo code ‘KNOWLES’ at https://jasemedical.com/ PureTalk - Get 50% off your first month with promo code ‘KNOWLES’’ https://www.puretalkusa.com/landing/KNOWLES - - - Socials: Follow on Twitter: https://bit.ly/3RwKpq6 Follow on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3BqZLXA Follow on Facebook: https://bit.ly/3eEmwyg Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3L273Ek Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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House Republicans yesterday voted to overturn two bills that had been passed by the D.C.
Council that would allow non-citizens to vote in local elections and go even softer on criminals.
And Congress lady Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, she is not happy about it.
In direct contradiction of their quote-unquote conservative values of small government and defending freedom have decided to expand the jurisdiction of this body to meddle into the business of D.C. residents.
The D.C. City Council has the right to determine its policies for D.C. residents.
And if any member of this body does not like that, they can feel free to change their registration,
resign their post, and run for DC City Council.
Now, AOC says lots of things that are not true, but very often the false things that she says are false
because they're exaggerations or selective interpretations or imaginative predictions.
In this case, though, what AOC said is just perfect.
precisely, easily, demonstrably wrong. The D.C. City Council does not have the right to determine
the policies for D.C. residents. Congress does have that right, and that right doesn't come from some
obscure section of the U.S. Code or some little-known court decision. It is laid out explicitly
in the Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, quote, the Congress shall have the power to
exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever over the federal district of Washington, D.C.
Now, at first, I figured AOC was just being disingenuous. The more I listened to her rant, though,
the more convinced I became that she just sincerely doesn't have any idea how the Constitution
established the government of D.C. I understand that there may be disagreements.
I understand that Republicans may not be happy with what the DC City Council is doing.
But when cities in Vermont pass the same provisions, when San Francisco, when nine Maryland
cities brought up this provision, did the Republican Party corral all of Congress and bring
this issue down to the floor for a vote?
No, they did not.
They are singling out the residents of the District of Columbia and expanding in their
the history of disenfranchisement that goes all the way back to the legacy of slavery.
And they're bringing it right here to this floor because why they don't have any real bills
to debate?
No, it's just because that's Congress's job.
The Congress is not overruling laws in Vermont and Maryland and in San Francisco because that's
not Congress's responsibility. It's just basic civics. The sort of thing you're
supposed to learn by the fifth grade, especially in a republic which cannot endure if even the elected
representatives don't understand the basic functions of the government. I'm Michael Knowles. It's the Michael
Knowles show. Welcome back to the show. My favorite comment yesterday is from Vince Dowell, who says,
that was me in the suit on the panel about assimilation, erasure and crime. Very cool. Thank you, Michael.
I'm pleased to hear it. That's great. It's kind of funny to play a clip on the show and then have the
person in the clip, say, oh, I was watching. You talk about that thing. That's great.
Well, Vince, you did a great job. This was in the clip yesterday on my show from Vice, this great
vice documentary where they're talking about all sorts of woke nonsense. And you got this one
conservative guy, and then all the libs around him who were just absolutely aghast whenever he
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simply smarter, wireless. I don't usually go after AOC these days. I don't hit her so much anymore
because I feel it's played out. I feel this is the most basic, superficial kind of conservative
commentary these days is just, hey, you see how crazy AOC is? You could do that. You could fill a show
with that every single day. And so I generally stay away from it. But sometimes, sometimes AOC demonstrates such
blithe ignorance that one cannot ignore it. And this occurred not just yesterday talking about
Washington, D.C., not knowing what the government of Washington, D.C. is supposed to be,
even according to the Constitution.
But this happened a couple days ago, too, when AOC was discussing the big tech hearings and testimony
when the Congress was grilling these big tech executives, especially on things like the Hunter Biden laptop story.
AOC went on a tangent about how upset she is that Libs of TikTok, one of the great Twitter accounts,
is still on Twitter despite spreading false information.
Ms. Navaroli, are you familiar with the account Libs of TikTok?
I have heard of it from the news, yes.
Mr. Roth, are you familiar with this account?
Yes, ma'am, I am.
Are you aware that from August 11th to August 16th,
that account posted false information about Boston Children's Hospital,
claiming that they were providing hysterectomies to children?
Okay.
The claim, the accusation, libs of TikTok posted false information suggesting that the Boston Children's Hospital
trans as the kids specifically provides hysterectomies to children. That's the claim. Let's check to see if that
claim holds up Boston Children's Hospital. Take it away. Historectomy itself is the removal of the
uterus, the cervix, which is the opening of the uterus, and the fallopian tubes, which are a
to the sides of the uterus. Some gender affirming hysterectomies will also include the removal
of the ovaries, but that's technically a separate procedure called a bilateral oophrectomy.
And not every gender affirming hysterectomy includes that, and people who are getting
gender affirming hysterectomies do not have to have their ovaries removed.
So it sounds like Libs of TikTok was right, because I'm watching a commercial now from Boston
Children's Hospital talking about performing these hysterectomies. I guess you could say that
libs of TikTok didn't go far enough because lives of TikTok should also maybe have talked about
bilateral euphrectomies. Is that how you pronounce that? But they did it. AOC could have just
Googled that. AOC launches into this long, emotional rant about how lives of TikTok is lying about
Boston Children's Hospital and his director. She could have just Googled it. It would have taken like five
words. She didn't do that. She could have saved herself the rant about Washington, D.C.,
by reading the Constitution even just one time or having learned anything in civics class in elementary
school. And I know that they were teaching civics back when AOC was in school in Westchester,
because I grew up one town away from AOC, and AOC went to the schools in the ritzier, wealthier,
nicer area. So you assume she had a civics class. She just didn't learn.
very much from it. And it's not just AOC. I don't just mean to pick on AOC. There is a congressman
Representative Dan Goldman. He has a much more impressive, prestigious, academic pedigree,
certainly than AOC does. And he was humiliated almost as much, frankly, even perhaps more than
AOC, because the expectations for this man were higher, when discussing a basic aspect of free speech
law with the legal scholar Jonathan Turley.
Does the First Amendment protect someone from yelling fire in a movie theater?
Well, unfortunately, that one is not yes or no, because that's become a mantra for people.
It's the Holmes shank line. Homes himself walked back on it. Homes and...
We don't need a law class here.
But you do agree, though, don't you, that the First Amendment does not protect all speech?
No, there are limits to speech. All constitutional rights have limits.
I felt as though I were watching always sunny in this exchange.
So he says at the top, can you yell fire in a crowded theater to suggest that the right to free speech is not absolute?
Which is true, of course it's not absolute, as Jonathan Turley admits, but that phrase yelling fire in a crowded theater, that comes from a very famous case, Schenk versus the United States.
it was a case about whether or not a man could be thrown in jail for passing out flyers against the draft and against the war.
And it's a complicated case. I write about it at length in my book, Speachless Controlling Words Controlling Minds,
number one national bestseller on free speech and the evolution of speech. But it's a complicated case.
And so Jonathan Turley says, well, actually, Representative Goldman, you've picked probably the worst example to talk about this.
Because it's a little complicated and it goes back to what Oliver Wendell Holmes said.
And what is the representative?
He, hey, hey, hey, all right here.
Listen, we don't need to hear about.
Listen, we don't.
It was just the Charlie Day response.
Good, buddy.
I know a lot about the law and various other loyering.
I'm well-educated, well-versed.
I know that situations like this, real estate-wise, they're very complex.
Actually, they're pretty simple.
The forms are all standard, boilerplate.
Okay, well, we're all hungry.
We're going to get to our hot plate soon enough.
All right.
But let's talk about the contract here.
Sorry, I forgot. Where did you go to law school again?
Well, I could ask you that very same question.
I went to Harvard.
How about you?
Where?
I'm pleading the fifth, sir.
I'd advise that you do that.
And I'll take that advice into cooperation, all right?
Now, let's say you and I go toe-to-to-to-in bird law and see who comes out to Victor.
You know, I don't think I'm going to do anything close to that, and I can see clearly you know nothing about the law.
It seems like you have a tenuous grasp on the English language in general.
Okay, well, filibuster.
Do you, do you know what that word means?
Yeah, what's that mean?
Listen, professor, do you think you can yell fire in a crowded theater?
Well, actually, the case that used that example ended up being largely over to...
Okay, okay, listen here, mister, we don't need any of your loyering's, okay?
Let's go toe to toe on bird law.
That's what Representative Dan Goldman sounds like.
And what's so embarrassing about this is that the joke,
in always sunny is that Charlie Day is completely uneducated.
Representative Dan Goldman went to Stanford Law.
Dan Goldman went to what is considered the second best, most prestigious law school in the country.
And he doesn't even understand the context of one of the most basic slogans from one of the most basic cases of free speech.
These people don't know anything.
And it's not just AOC.
It's very easy to make fun of AOC because she's infamously ignorant.
It's all these guys.
It's not just AOC.
People make fun of her.
They say, oh, she's a bartender.
I know plenty of bartenders who are a lot smarter and wiser than graduates of Stanford Law School.
Okay.
What's the excuse of the people from Stanford Law School?
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which brings me to a story a little bit close to home.
I was the subject of a hit piece yesterday. That's right. You was truly, your beloved podcast host.
This is from the Brookings Institution, probably the most prominent liberal think tank out there.
Brookings has this very, very lengthy report. Apparently, according to the author, it took years to put this report together.
And it opens with me and Ted Cruz. It opens, it's called Audible Reckoning, how top political
podcasters spread unsubstantiated and false claims. In February 2021, Texas Senator Ted Cruz and his co-host
Michael Knowles, a Daily Wire commentator, recorded a live episode of the verdict podcast in conversation
about his former Senate opponent, Beto O'Rourke. Senator Cruz described his rival support base as
primarily reporters who act like, quote, groupies at a Rolling Stones concert throwing their underwear.
Offhandedly, he added, if they wore underwear. With a smirk, he leaned into the
Mike and asked Knowles too edgy.
Knowles replied, quote,
it's a podcast, you can say whatever you want.
And then that's the intro.
And they say, yep, that's it.
Since the advent of the medium podcasts have generally offered a space where in the words
of Knowles, you can say wherever you want.
And now all these people get their news from podcasts and do in large part to the say
whatever you want perceptions of the medium, podcasting offers a critical avenue through
which unsubstantiated and false claims proliferate.
there it is. That Knowles, that Knowles, he gave up the whole game. He admitted that these podcasters,
they just spread recklessly, carelessly spread lies and false claims. And although the author here
tries to make it sound like she's being really balanced, it becomes very clear, very quickly,
that she is accusing conservatives of spreading much, much more false information than the liberals.
At one point, I think she says that conservatives spread something like a lever.
that conservatives spread something like 11 times the false information that liberals do.
And that because the conservatives produce more podcasts than the liberals do, this is really,
really dangerous.
Leads to lots of unsubstantiated and false claims in podcasting.
Okay.
So I'm reading through this.
A friend of mine had texted it to me earlier.
I'm reading through this.
And I noticed something a little bit weird.
I notice there is a graph in the pie and says,
top conservative podcasts by the number of podcasts that have been produced. And this is a print-ready copy,
so it doesn't have the graphics in here. But among the top political podcasts, I'm honored to say,
I was listed among them, a number of the Daily Wire shows, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Claven, Matt Walsh.
I'm looking at all these shows. And it ranked us, not by the ratings, not by daily downloads,
just by the number of shows produced. And it said, there are X number of shows that have produced more
than 1,000 episodes. And I looked at it and I said, wait a second. Drew and Matt are both ranked higher
than me in terms of episodes produced. But I know, as of today, that isn't true. I have produced
more episodes than they have. This is not a hard statistic to look up. You just go to the Daily Wire website
or your podcast app. You look episode number X, whatever. And I have produced more episodes. So I looked
And I said, okay, well, this seems like a really just basic statistic that was totally wrong.
The reporter responded and said, no, no, Michael, you idiot, I stopped collecting data on January 22nd,
2022. And so you just don't understand all my really transparent and high-end methodology.
So I said, okay, well, I'll just, I have always produced more episodes than Matt Walsh.
My show started before Matt's show. So I look back at January 22nd, 2022, and there it.
It's the data, the really basic data in this long Brookings report that allegedly took years and years to produce about how the conservatives are recklessly carelessly spreading false information on the internet.
The data on just one point, just one that I happened to see in a graph, the basic data are completely wrong, which is ironic.
I guess it's not ironic in that I never expect these people to have their data correct because I just don't.
don't believe a word that they say, and I don't think they're particularly careful and meticulous
and what they do. I think they're just trying to smear conservatives. And it turns out that was the
case. And the author of the piece is so upset about it. She keeps trying to justify her really,
really basic error. The same kind of basic error that AOC makes when she gives a whole impassioned
speech about how Congress has no right to control D.C. And then you say, lady, look at Article 1 of
the Constitution. It says, Congress has the right to control D.C. and to pass the laws there. It's really,
basic stuff. There's not much arguing with it. January 1st, 2022, the Michael Nulls show had 927 episodes
out. The Matt Walsh show had 878 episodes out. Take Drew out of it for a second because his show
had different, it was daily at one point than it turned to weekly, but even just those two.
The fact that you, the fact that this author at the Brookings Institution could get just
that really basic element of data wrong.
makes you realize, oh, I can't trust a word in this report.
Drew actually makes this point about the newspapers.
He says, people are very funny in that they'll open the newspaper,
and they'll read an article about Syria.
They'll say, well, I don't know anything about Syria, so I'll trust what the author has to say.
And then they open, and they see a piece about the oil industry.
They say, I don't know anything about the oil industry.
So I'll trust what the author has to say.
Then they'll open it to a piece about the New York Yankees.
And they'll say, oh, I do know about the New York Yankees.
They'll read the piece.
they'll say, oh, the author's completely wrong about the New York Yankees.
Then what happens?
You turn the page to an article about banana prices, and you say, well, I don't know about
banana prices.
I guess I'll believe the author.
If you can just, if you can point out, you say, well, I know for a fact, the one thing
that I know about in what these people are talking about, I know that that person is wrong.
Why would you believe anything else that they have to say?
Now, the ignorance, I won't ascribe to malice that, which is explained by incompetence and ignorance.
The ignorance that you see in this kind of piece is relatively trivial.
I know that it's being used as a justification to censor all of our podcasts, I guess mine in particular,
but there are more consequential sorts of lies and deceit and expressions of ignorance.
A clear one would be the CDC telling you that the Fauci-Aouches were,
completely effective and completely safe. Remember, the CDC and Dr. Fauci and Joe Biden said,
if you get, I'm just going to put them all together in Fauci's voice. If you get the shot,
you won't get COVID. You won't transmit COVID. And then that turned out not to be true.
People saying that the shots, you have nothing to worry about, it totally tested, very, very, very safe.
And then it turns out, actually some young people are getting myocarditis.
Women are getting blood clots, dying of blood clots.
There would seem to be some nerve damage that comes along with these shots sometimes.
And now we have the CDC director of the Immunization Safety Office just a couple of weeks ago,
acknowledging openly, finally, the health problems that have been attributed and associated with these vaccines.
We take vaccine safety very soon.
seriously. With respect to reports of people experiencing debilitating illnesses, I mean, we are aware of these reports of people experiencing long-lasting health problems following COVID vaccination. In some cases, the clinical presentation of people suffering these health problems is variable. And those
specific medical cause for the symptoms have been found.
We understand that illness is disruptive and stressful, especially under those circumstances.
And we acknowledge these health problems have substantially impacted the quality of life for people
and have also affected those around them.
And we hope for improvement and recovery.
And we will continue to monitor the safety of these vaccines and work with partners to try to better
understand these types of adverse events.
Now, the fact checkers out there are already trying to push articles saying that you did not hear what you just heard from the man who just said it.
The man who is Tom Shimabukuro, the CDC director of the Immunization Safety Office, you just heard what he said.
I'm not even going to add commentary to what he said, lest the fact checkers have.
any opening to lie. All I did, all I just did was play his words. Words that had you or I said those
words, had you or I said those words today, we would be called fact checkers spreading misinformation,
murderers, probably kicked off social media. Certainly had we said those words two years ago
as they were rolling out those vaccines. Oh my goodness. You might have been arrested.
You would have been thrown in Guantanamo Bay. This is a dude.
danger to the public health, how dare you? Now you're hearing that from the director of the CDC
Immunization Safety Office. That's a pretty big error then, it would seem, to hear that the
vaccine's totally effective, totally safe. That's a pretty big error, pretty consequential error.
When you hear him talking about people who are living with persistent health problems as a
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K&WLAS, to 98, 98, 98 today. Many prominent people who had previously pushed the vaccine are now
regretting it. One example would be Nancy Mace. I mentioned her yesterday. Nancy Mace is a liberal
Republican who came out. She said, I regretting the vaccine. I feel I was lied to.
I now have vaccine injuries that I've got to deal with as a result of this.
And I was impressed because Nancy Mace is a liberal Republican.
She's not a conservative Republican.
And she had previously pushed the vaccine.
She had peddled the vaccine on CNN.
She was opposed to the mandates, as far as I can tell.
But she still encouraged people to get it.
Now she is regretting it.
I said, okay, at least good on Nancy Mace for admitting she was wrong.
But she still continues to double down on her opposition to the conservative
of Republicans. She still spends most of her time attacking the more controversial people in her
own party, and she spends a lot of her time sucking up to the liberals. She did this yesterday at the
National Press Club. Nancy Mace was invited to go there and tell some jokes. It was supposed to be
a roast kind of funny telling jokes at the press club. Here's the performance.
I know George Santos hoped to deliver tonight's keynote, but organizers, our lovely, beautiful
organizers wanted someone who could tell a joke but not actually be one.
Come on, George, you've given Republicans a bad name, and that's Lauren Bobert's job.
Just kidding, Lauren, don't shoot. Really, like, who lies about being a, about playing college
volleyball? Like, who does that? If you're going to lie, at least make it about something big.
Like, you actually won the 2020 presidential election.
I was one of the first Republicans.
I know there's some New Yorkers in here, too, Republicans who said Santos should resign.
Santos should step down to show people you can't lie, cheat, and steal to win an election.
Unless, of course, if you're Donald Trump or Joe Biden, I said this so this can air on Fox News and CNN.
I go both ways.
I mean, come on.
You got it.
You got it.
It's like watching a bad imitation of mean girls.
Republican Congress lady Nancy Mace, she was.
Hey, I'm not a regular Republican.
I'm a cool Republican.
Hey, hey, press.
Come on.
I'm not like those bad Republicans.
I'm a cool.
I'm a cool mom.
Yeah, okay, right.
Are you?
That's never a cool, unfortunately.
Unfortunately, even making fun of George Santos, that's fine. It's funny. I've made plenty of jokes about
George Santos. But it sort of depends on the spirit in which one makes the joke and the type of person who makes the joke.
In that, I can make fun of my brother. You can't make fun of my brother. If I make fun of my brother,
I don't even have a brother. I have a stepbrother. If I make fun of my stepbrother, that's fine. That's okay.
But if you make fun of my stepbrother, that's offensive. So the question is, what is the perspective
Nancy Mace is coming from. Nancy Mace is coming from the perspective of a liberal Republican,
who, at every chance she gets, attacks conservative Republicans and tries to curry favor with the liberals.
You could say, well, this was a roast. People are telling jokes. It's fine. Get a sense of humor.
Yeah, I'm all for that. I think that's a great idea. But Nancy Mace never once told any self-effacing
joke. She never made a joke about her own side. Because her side is not Republican. She opposes
conservative Republicans. Her side are the liberal squishy Republicans. And she didn't make any jokes
about them. That's really pathetic. And I play that to remind you, there are still a number of
those types out there. We think that the conservative party, you know, the Republican Party now
is being run by the conservatives, not by the squishes, not by the moderates. But there are
still a lot of centrist's out there. Governor of New Hampshire, Chris Sununu, is floating the
idea of a presidential campaign. I know. It's very silly. Most people have never even heard of
Chris Sununu. It's probably not going to happen. But he certainly wants to run for president in
2024. And the way that he is positioning himself is specifically as a centrist.
A lot of the folks that you mentioned and a lot of folks that we all know who are like
to run for president on the Republican side are more conservative.
How so?
How so?
How so?
Well, President.
Really?
Because I'm ranked the most fiscally conservative governor of the country.
I'm number one in personal freedoms, right?
I'm sorry, Ron.
You're number two.
Sorry, Florida.
I would challenge anyone on Second Amendment rights.
We're far and away the best, you know, because we believe in those individual freedoms.
Regulatory reform.
I'll challenge any state on it.
So am I more moderate on the social issues?
Yeah, maybe.
That's not what I got on this game for management. I'm a manager. I'm a CEO. I like to manage
and redesign systems. But I would tell you on those social issues, we get better results than
almost anywhere else. There it is. Got to give the guy credit for honesty. He says, I want to
be a manager. Mike Bloomberg, this was his pitch to run for president in 2020 as a Democrat.
He said, look, I'm a manager. I just want to manage things. That is the exact opposite of what
we need in this country. I do not want to manage the decline. I think our country is in decline.
I don't want to just manage the decline. I don't want my president, my Republican conservative
president, to manage the decline. I want him to fix things. You might not think that, well,
you probably do think the country's in decline. But some liberals out there, they might say,
no, the country's not in decline, even if it's not in decline. I don't want you just to manage
the liberal establishment. I want a conservative to go in there and advocate for good.
things and pursue good things and oppose evil things.
Pursue truth and avoid falsehood.
Pursue beauty and avoid ugliness.
That's what I want.
He says, look, I'm very conservative.
I mean, maybe not on those cultural issues.
What is that even, I don't even know what that means.
It's like saying, I love coffee.
I hate caffeine.
You're pretending that you support a thing, but then you oppose the essence of that thing.
Oh, yeah, I'm just not conservative on the cultural issues.
Well, that's the whole story.
Okay, you can cut taxes.
I'm very conservative.
I can conserve tax cuts, maybe.
I'm even questioning whether certain conservatives can do that.
No, no managers.
No managers, no squishes.
There is too much at stake.
Our government is being run by people who don't know the first thing about the Constitution
or our political order or the law or anything.
And it's not just the infamously ignorant people.
It's even the ones with the fancy degrees from the fancy law schools and the fancy think tanks.
They don't know anything.
They are so ignorant.
Our genius experts whose job it is to be genius expert nerds get the most basic aspects of their jobs wrong
and make us all take experimental drugs that often don't turn out very well.
We're in a really tough spot.
I do not want someone to just manage the status quo.
The status quo is very sick and we need to fix it.
Governor Sununu, you're not going to be the president.
You're certainly not going to get my vote if you want to manage this desiccated, degraded status quo.
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Let's take it away with the first question.
Hey, Michael. I'm Kate, a happy little introvert who works from home and as such.
I look forward to watching your show every morning.
So thank you for everything that you do.
I have two questions for you today.
For some context, when my husband and I first met, it was deemed improbable at best and dangerous at worst to pursue having children.
Therefore, my husband married me, knowing that our family would grow and evolve into something a bit different.
through the years we've developed a huge passion not for kids but for young adults specifically in that 18 to 25 year peter pan phase of destructively extended adolescence right now we have a 19 year old living with us he is the eighth young adult to spend a transitionary and equipping season in our home many of whom who have never learned how to perform basic functions or had ever witnessed healthy dialogue and familial relationships now that the doctors say i could
start trying for children, we found that this would create a conflict with our desire to foster
these young adults into true adulthood. For how could we responsibly house potentially wayward
men in a home with little vulnerable children? So my first question is this. Given that you
believe having children is a command from God, do you allow for the notion for his church to target
and meet a multitude of needs in a broken world? This might have to take on different forms. Because in many
ways my husband and I do have children. Many, in fact, they are just big, lovable knuckleheads
traipsing in and out of her home at any given time. Here's my second question, and one you might enjoy.
In that same vein, we are involved in a couple different organizations hosting events all the time,
from deep theological study nights to informal community fellowship. Every weekend, we now have
roughly 12 to 30 young adults at the house, often staying close to midnight, discussing.
topics of all kinds. So if given the same opportunity, what would you want to impress most
upon the elder Gen Ziers? Thank you so much. Can't wait to hear your answer. Bye.
That's a lot. I'll try to keep it pithy. What you're doing for those young men is
unbelievably charitable. I'm not sure that I could muster that. I barely like talking to the
19-year-old men that I am related to or relatives of my friends. That's a time. That's a
tough period. So to invite them into your home, that is incredibly charitable. And you're right,
if you have young children, you can't just invite these strange men of fighting age into your home.
That would be irresponsible. I don't know your specific medical situation or what the doctors
have said. If the doctors previously said, you'll die if you have kids, that raises certainly
all sorts of dilemmas for you. And if the doctors are now saying, you can't.
can have kids, no big deal, go ahead and have children, then I would do that. You've done your good
charitable work. Having children is a wonderful thing, and you're called to do it. You were called to do
it within the context of marriage. So you're married, you can have kids, do it. I've got two kids.
I want to have a hundred more kids. I think it's a great thing. So go for it. That's what I would
recommend. And if it doesn't work out, plenty of couples struggle with infertility. Who knows,
no one has the right to a baby. If it doesn't work out, you can go right back to the charitable
work you're doing, and that sounds great. As for the youth groups that are coming through your home
hanging out until midnight, what would you want to talk about? I would flip it. I would allow them
to propose the topics of discussion. And the reason for this is an important part of education
is desire. And we often don't think about this when we talk about education, because we think of
education is sit down, do what you're told, copy the things that we want you to copy, and learn the
facts we want you to learn, and then go out and go to the next grade. But the key part of education
is desire. A soul that does not wish to be educated cannot really be educated. This is a point
that Plato makes in book seven of the Republic. So see what they bring up. And then whatever they do bring up,
you should pursue that train of thought all the way through its various levels, through its
literal meaning, through its allegorical meanings, political implications, cultural implications,
and then ultimately up to the highest level of knowledge, which would be theology.
And then you could go down a really great journey.
But I would allow the desire of the people in the conversation to guide that, and I wouldn't
make an organized lesson plan.
Okay, next question.
Hey Michael, I have a couple of friends who are agnostic and or atheist.
I want to show them the truth of the Bible, and I believe the events of the Bible are true,
but I feel like if I were to cite the Bible to prove my point,
it would be like an evolutionist pointing to different parts of a textbook and claiming fact.
We wouldn't have an agreed upon piece of evidence that we could further debate.
I'm really curious to know if I should use the Bible to prove itself,
and if so, what passages should I cite?
or use another book or historical record that proves Christianity or at least makes it more believable. Thanks.
Well, the Bible is inerrant, and it is the word of God in a textual sense. Christ himself is the
word of God, the divine logic of the universe in that larger sense, but the scripture is a great place
to convince people and persuade people because you're using the very words of God. But I think you're
starting a little down the line here. And this is a common mistake, I think, in our modern age,
especially in age that has divorced the Bible from all sense of history and authority. But the Bible
didn't just drop out of the sky, don't forget. The Bible was compiled. The Bible was compiled
and agreed upon in a canon by an ecumenical council of the church. So the church predates the
Bible. And what is the church? The church is the body of Christ instituted by Christ here on earth. And who is
Christ? Christ is the incarnate second person of the Trinity. And what is the Trinity? Who is the
Trinity? The Trinity is God, three persons in one divine unity. And who is God and does God really exist?
I think you've probably got to start there. And the existence of God can be known with certainty
by the light of human reason within the context of the natural world.
You don't need the Bible to prove that God exists.
The Bible illuminates aspects of God,
but it is not a requirement to know that God exists.
So I would probably start there.
That's where you would have to start.
If you were proposing a science textbook,
let's say that you wanted to persuade your first,
friend of something Charles Darwin said. Not that I'm encouraging that necessarily. But you wouldn't just
begin with from the origin of species. You would begin with who is Charles Darwin. What observations did he make?
What experiments did he undertake? What was the historical context in which Charles Darwin came about?
What was he reacting against? That's probably what you would do. If you were to show a science work
on, say, the Big Bang, you would say, who is George Lometra? And you would find out that George Lemaître is actually a
Catholic priest, the man who discovered the Big Bang.
And the term was actually a term of derision by atheists who wanted to make fun of the idea
that this priest had discovered something about the origin of the universe that seemed to accord
perfectly with the Genesis account.
So anyway, that's where you would begin.
I would begin there.
Does God exist?
If God exists, who is God?
What is God like?
What does the incarnation mean in the light of?
who God is. And then what do we know about the incarnation? And at that point, I think you get to the Bible.
Next question. Hi, Michael. I am wondering why you prefer the Latin Mass over the English Mass, but criticize
the Spanish response to the state of the union. As you've said once or twice, culture is downstream of
politics, and our Catholic identity is part of our culture. So I'm curious to see what you think about this.
I thought this question would be extra relevant this week
because in case you haven't heard,
there is a football team representing the cradle of liberty
playing in a big game this weekend that you may want to catch.
Go Eagles. Have a nice weekend, Michael.
I actually hadn't heard that.
Like, I knew the Super Bowl was happening,
but I am so tuned out of football,
especially since all the BLM stuff,
that I didn't even know that the Eagles were playing.
But that's cool. All right, that's good on the Eagles.
as for the question of the Spanish state of the Union versus the Latin mass.
One, if the state of the union response were in Latin, that'd be a completely different story.
Because at least then you're speaking in the language that once united all of Western Christendom.
But we don't have that anymore.
We don't have a unified Christian empire or anything even resembling that.
We have nations.
And here we have the American nation.
And the purpose of the state of the union is to describe the state of our nation, one nation,
One nation, under God, indivisible, a pluribus uno out of many one.
And so it is contrary to the very idea of the state of the union address to give it in multiple languages,
because those multiple languages suggest a division.
And specifically, the insertion of Spanish into the state of the union is an acknowledgement
of mass migration and the failure of assimilation, specifically from a handful of Latin American
countries. And so the medium can become the message. A lot of people are saying, well, why can't we
just get the conservative message out to Spanish people? I think that's a great idea. I have nothing
against Hispanic people. I have nothing against the Spanish language. I speak romance languages.
I look fairly Hispanic myself. So I've got nothing against any of that. But I'm recognizing here
that if you give a deeply conservative message in a medium that is not very conservative,
that is radical, that goes along with the premises of the liberals, then you're not really
presenting a conservative message at all. That's a bad idea. The question is, what is it for?
I find Latin is better suited to the mass. One, the traditional Latin mass is a little bit
confusing because it's not just about the language. It's a different mass. The liturgy is
different. The orientation of it is different. I find it to be much more reverent. It's obviously
much more traditional and I think it's more
conducive to worship.
But
the Latin, the language
is also better suited for the mass
because it shows a
unity, a universality,
a Catholicity, it's Catholic
in the sense that until
the last 50 years or so,
you could go anywhere on earth,
you could walk into the mass,
they would be speaking the same language.
It shows you something about the universal
church.
if you look at the state of the union, the purpose of it is to express the state of our American nation.
And so it should be conducted in the language of the American nation, which is English.
Next question.
Hi, Michael. You were talking, I think it was yesterday or the day before, about embryos and having them frozen and how that was wrong.
So I have an older sister, and she had some infertility issues, and her and her husband,
been just, we're not able to get pregnant, but thankfully through IVF, they've been able to get
pregnant. And they have several embryos frozen for their future plans for future family. And
anyway, I was asking her what they're going to do because they have more than they want,
children-wise. And anyway, I was curious what your thoughts were on what to do with those
frozen embryos. I know you don't like the embryos, but I,
Just the fact of you have them.
And I was just curious what your thoughts were on what you would do in that situation.
My husband and I just, we could not figure out what to do.
And yeah, do you destroy these people, these babies?
Or do you let someone else have your, essentially your child and have that child never know you?
And yeah, I just thought that was a very thought-provoking question that I had.
I knew you would have a very good answer for.
So, anyway, love the show. Thanks.
Thank you very much.
I hope I have a good answer for it.
Just once like correction there, you said, Michael, I know you don't like the embryos.
I like the embryos very much.
In fact, that is why I don't support these forms of artificial contraception.
The question you bring up of embryo adoption is a difficult one, and I think remains an open one.
It is such a modern phenomenon.
It's such a recent phenomenon that bioethicists are still debating this.
the church has not rendered any judgment one way or the other.
It is tempting to say, well, people should just adopt these emberies.
I don't think we should destroy them.
I think that would be wrong.
But we also need to recognize that procreation is to take place in the context of a marriage
within the conjugal union of husband and wife and children have a right to their natural mother
and father bound together in marriage, which is for the good of the spouses and the sake of the
generation and education of children. So there is a temptation to say, okay, well, we are where we are.
This is a bad scenario. So we're not going to kill the embryos, but maybe we'll take them and
implant them in other people. I don't know that that's quite the right idea. That it
exacerbates another problem, which is the establishment of the domination of technology.
over the origin and destiny of human life.
That is not acceptable at all.
It separates procreation from the conjugal act.
That is not acceptable.
So what does one do?
I think what one does is not rush to judgment.
There is an impulse, especially in the modern world,
to the moment that some new technology comes out and becomes popular,
we have to render a for-all in eternity sort of bioethical judgment on it.
And this can lead to really bad consequences.
I think of Lambeth, you know, the notion where Protestant churches came out and endorsed aspects of the sexual revolution,
endorsed artificial contraception and the like.
That, I think a lot of that came out of a sense of urgency, along with other mistakes,
but it led to so many more problems down the road, whereas what I would do in this case is I would allow the bioethicists,
the real bioethicists, you know, the people who are trained in this regard,
to debate this for some period of time. And what I would do in the meantime is proceed with caution
and follow the first advice of the Hippocratic Oath. First, do no harm. All right, we've got
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