The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1223 - Trans Triple Harvard Grad Runs Scared From Our Debate

Episode Date: April 12, 2023

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A San Francisco Whole Food store has closed after having been open for just one year. The store closed because of high crime and dangerous conditions for employees. Junkies are reportedly regularly loitering and shooting up around the store. It is not a pleasant shopping experience. So why are the bums and the criminals loitering around the store? Why is crime so high? It's because San Francisco's elected officials have stopped enforcing the law. Arrests have fallen dramatic.

in recent years, the mayor has called to defund the police. It's a cautionary tale, not just for major cities, but for every locale that liberalism has infected. It's an answer to the question that liberals always bring up when they run out of arguments. The question is, how does it affect you? What do you mean people shouldn't be able to do drugs? How does it affect you? What do you mean men shouldn't strap on stilettos and saunter into? the ladies' room. How does it affect you? It affects me and you and all of us because we live in society. And you can't live comfortably in a chaotic society. If you had the choice of being the poorest man in a prosperous society or the richest man in a collapsing society, you would

choose the prosperous society every time. No man is an island entire of itself. We are social beings. San Francisco is one of the richest places in America, but its wealthy residents can't have Whole Foods, can't have a supermarket. They can't walk down the street without fear of being murdered like the poor Cash App founder in San Francisco last week. How does social collapse affect us? It affects our whole way of life. What right do we have to impose a better way of life, our preferred way of life on the drugies and the bums and the criminals, we have the right of self-government. And we'd better start reasserting that right before the whole country turns into one gigantic San Francisco. I'm Michael Knowles. It's the Michael Knowles show.

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First though, first though, speaking of violence, Corrine Jean-Pierre over at the White House is pushing a new assault weapons ban. The libs are trying to take your AR-15s, one of the most popular guns in America, They're trying to take those guns, and they are not merely fear-mongering over the guns. They are now outright lying about them. We need Congress to act. And if you think about assault weapons ban, we know when we saw, when the president was involved in 1994 to get that done, we saw. We saw gun violence go down.

And when it's sunset 10 years later, it went back up. So we know what could work. And that's why you continue to hear the president. calling on Congress to take action. That just isn't true. On this show, I always try to give the libs the benefit of the doubt. I try to see the point that maybe they're trying to make that's obscured by their ideology. I try to be as charitable in my view as I possibly can be.

But what she said just isn't true. There's no way for me to complicate this or to find some nuance. She's just wrong. I have to give a hat to Dana Lash for finding that clip, and she debunked it very, very well. A number of conservatives are doing that right now. It isn't true that the DOJ in July of 2004 observed that the assault weapons ban did not do that. The DOJ concluded that it could not credit the ban with any drop in gun violence. JAMA, this is the Journal of the American Medical Association.

We've got an article here from 2017, observed that specific laws directed at firearm trafficking, improving child safety, or the banning of military-style assault weapons were not associated with changes in firearm homicide rates. I've got another paper here. This is from just January of this year from the Rand Corporation, concludes pretty much the very same thing. It's just not true. The White House is just lying. they have no arguments on their side, and so they're just going to double down on a lie. And it is the definition of madness to do the very same thing over and over again and expect different results. It's just not true. If they had good arguments, they would make them. They don't, so they lie to you. We should not give this any quarter, any Republican who votes

for the so-called assault weapons ban is just a complete tool, a total squish. There's no reasoning. with that kind of a Republican, because there's no reason in this debate. Speaking of debates, I mentioned yesterday on the show, how excited I am at the prospect of this debate that I'm having at the University of Pittsburgh scheduled by the Intercladiate Studies Institute with Professor Donald McCloskey, who now goes by Deirdre, he identifies as transgender. He's a distinguished professor. We were to debate transgenderism and womanhood and who decides. on this. And this has been scheduled for a long time, all sorts of petitions and political calls to shut down the debate. The professor had previously said that he hates me. He specifically called me a

fascist and all sorts of mean names, but said that we have to debate. You shouldn't run away from debates. He pulled out of the debate. He pulled out of the debate. It was obviously keeping him up at night. And when you want to sleep well at night, you got to check out Helix sleep. Right now, go to helixleep.com slash Knowles. After a long day's work, why are you sacrificing a good night's sleep with a terrible mattress. You've got to check out Helix mattress. Helix is a premium mattress brand that provides tailored mattresses based on your unique sleep preferences. The Helix lineup includes 14 unique mattresses including a collection of luxury models, a mattress for big and tall sleepers, and even a mattress made just for kids. I've had my helix for almost three years now.

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So then I looked at the articles to see what Professor McCloskey's pulling out of this debate with me at the University of Pittsburgh. McCloskey was saying here. And according to this article from the city paper, quote, since discovering Knowles to be utterly uninterested in finding the truth and instead, quote, interested in stirring up hatred and violence toward people who do not fit his extremely conservative Catholic beliefs, she, meaning he, Donald McCloskey, has dropped out of the event. McCloskey says he, quote, is very willing to debate on the issue, just not with Knowles. And then they say, I made headlines for calling for the eradication of transgenderism, the whole ideology from public life at CPAC.

So, this is very curious that Professor McCloskey would drop out now, because it is true. Both Professor McCloskey and I were invited by ISI to debate before my CPAC speech and before the media lied about what I said and the White House lied about what I said. But then after the speech, Professor McCloskey reiterated his desire. to debate the issue. And he called me all sorts of mean names. He called me a fascist. He called me an anti-Jesus Catholic. He identifies not just as a woman, but as Episcopalian. So I guess there was an anti-Catholic dig, but he said, regardless, we need to debate these ideas, not run away from them, not hide them or suppress them. Okay. Then we had a pre-debate call. So this, it was a

this is a call with the organizers and me and Professor McCloskey, and we discussed what we'd like to talk about during the debate, and he started off quite rude and impolite on the call, but by the end, he had sort of warmed up a little bit, and I don't know. I guess he just didn't know very much about me, and I think he expected me to be just some bomb-throwing, you know, provocateur. And so when I said on the call that no, my objection is just that I don't think that transgender people is a real ontological category. I think there are people are confused about their sex, but that's not a real distinct category of being. And when I said that my issue here is an epistemological disagreement and an anthropological disagreement, and here's why I think transgenderism is false. And furthermore,

here's why I think that the state has a role in regulating the basic definitions of these things. Professor McCloskey seemed surprised by that. He started out the phone call by insinuating that I'm poorly educated and don't have any idea what I'm talking about. But by the end of the call, he didn't really have that posture anymore. And at one point, actually, when he was surprised that I said that I do support the state having a role in regulating these things, he said, oh, I guess you're a consistent conservative. If I were not a conservative, if I were a libertarian or something like that, then he could have caught me in a bit of hypocrisy. But, but no, I was just explaining my view. It's the basic conservative view. It's the basic view that

everybody held on this issue until about eight years ago. It's the view that even liberal Democrats held until about eight years ago. It's based on an understanding of human nature that dates back at least 2,300 years and based on a traditional epistemology that served our civilization very, very well. And anyway, I don't mean any of that to, try to persuade Professor McCloskey to come into the debate. I just mentioned that to point out that his excuse as to why he's pulling out is not honest. Professor McCloskey knew my views on this subject. He's known them for well over a month at least. And then we even had a call about it a couple of weeks ago. After the call, he reiterated his desire to have the debate. Nothing has changed since then.

And so I suspect all that's changed is he knows that he can't win the debate. That's not a knock on his intelligence. It's not a knock on his education. But he's just wrong. He's defending an indefensible position. And so I think he could have seemed to win the debate if I were just a bomb thrower and I were just a provocateur and calling people all sorts of names the way that he was calling me. names. Maybe then he could have appeared like the adult in the room, but because that's not my style and because he, after that phone call had been a little bit more familiar with my style,

I think he realized there was just no win for him. And so he contradicted his previous view that we have to debate these things in public and we need to hash these things out in the free marketplace of ideas. And now he's just run away from the debate. I've got a speech today in East Tennessee State University over in Johnson City. And then I've got to a speech tomorrow at the University of Wisconsin Superior. So if you're around, head on over there. You can reserve tickets online. We'll see out there. It's not that I have a lack of speaking opportunities over the next few weeks. But I was looking forward to this debate and hashing out this issue that everybody seems so focused on. That's unfortunate because I know that some people

in this audience had made plans to attend to the debate. I know that there were obviously going to be a lot of protests and there were always hecklers and all sorts of miscarriage. but it doesn't come from our side. It's not the conservatives who do that. It's always the people on Professor McCloskey's side of the debate who disrupt these events. So we were prepared for that, and it's unfortunate. So we're looking for a replacement. I intend to do some kind of event at Pitt. We're working on seeing if anyone else will come in, but I think it's very telling. As I've said from the beginning of this whole debate prospect, I've said, if I'm going to have this debate. I want it to be with a really serious person. I want it to be with the person who can make

the strongest argument for transgenderism that there is. I don't want some two-bit hustler from YouTube or something. I want a distinguished scholar. And it's very telling that a distinguished professor with multiple degrees from Harvard, three of them, and half a dozen honorary doctorates and two dozen academic publications, even he does not feel that he can debate the issue of transgenderism. And he would rather concede the debate before it begins than lose in front of the C-SPAN cameras, because also C-SPAN was going to air this debate. So not surprising. And I'm happy to take a win by default. Happy to take this technical victory. But it's too bad that we couldn't have the debate in public. It's too bad that he did not have the courage of his convictions, convictions

both about transgenderism and about the role of debate in society. It proves an old adage, which is that you can always tell a Harvard man, but you can't tell him much. Speaking of gender, sometimes you will hear the libs say that they are not, in fact, transing the kids. At one side of the mouth, they say it's very important that we trans the kids. This is gender-affirming health care, we have to give it to everybody, even the White House says this. But then at the other side of your mouth, when a conservative criticizes this idea, they'll say, no, we're not doing that. This is a right-wing conspiracy theory. We're not transiting the kids. And you say, well, you're putting them in gender-affirming therapy. Well, yes, that's true. And you're putting them on puberty blockers.

You say, yes, that's true. You're putting them on cross-sex hormones sometimes. Yes, that's true. So how are you not transiting the kids? And what they will say is, well, we're not performing the surgeries on them. We are not chopping off their body parts. We wait until 18 to do that. But that's not true. North Carolina Surgery Clinic has just been caught performing the gender surgery on young girls as young as 14. The cosmetic concierge, which is a plastic surgery clinic in Charlotte, performed elective double mastectomies on these young teenage girls, including at the very least one 14-year-old. This according to reports from Redux. they've got images of this. It's not even just records. They've got images showing the results of

top surgery procedures, which is where these quacks chop off the breasts, healthy breasts of young girls who are having a little bit of body discomfort as they go through puberty, you know, like every single teenage girl ever in human history. But what they decide to do is chop off their healthy body parts. The photos include lots of other girls too, though, 16-year-olds, 15-year-olds, and 14-year-olds. is happening. Don't let them tell you that this isn't happening. It is. Don't let them tell you that they're not defunding the police. They are. Don't let them tell you that they're not putting porn in schools, elementary schools. They are. We've got the pictures. We've got the receipts. It is happening. And their only argument against it now is just to lie. They're just lying. There's no engaging

in a good faith dialogue and finding the nuance here. They're just, they're just, they're doing very bad things and they're trying to cover it up. And the only way to deal with that is to outlaw it and then bring down the weight of government and the force and the state and the justice system to punish the people who do these kinds of evil, evil acts. Speaking of medical malpractice and our judicial system, huge win from the courts. Major, major win for pro life. This is the biggest win for pro life since the overruling of Roe v. Wade and the Dobbs decision, U.S. District Judge Matthew Cashmaric, I'm almost certainly mispronancing that name, suspended the FDA's longtime approval of the abortion drug Mithapristone. The government has one week to appeal

this decision, but the federal judge has suspended the FDA approval of Mitha Pristone, which was granted more than 20 years ago, and this drug is used in tandem with another drug, isoprostol to kill babies up until about 10 weeks old. Why does this matter? Well, we think about abortion as the woman goes into the abortion mill and the quacks and the witches and the satanic doctors go in and kill the babies. That's what we picture. But more than half of U.S. abortions are not surgical. They're medical. They're done by taking pills. And what this judge is has done is to suspend the approval of that pill. Why is he doing it? It says, quote, the government did not adequately assess the drug safety and should not have made it accessible

via telehealth during the pandemic. Obviously true. And what it means is, if this stay on the drug goes into effect, the drug would no longer be available anywhere in the U.S. There are going to be squish Republicans who say, oh, don't do this. Oh, don't, abortion. It's not a good issue for us. It's a losing issue. Can't we just, let's just not talk about it, please. These are the same people who've been saying the same thing for decades and decades. The only two issues on which conservatives have won over the last 50 years have been guns and pro-life. That's it. We've lost everything else. Sometimes we cut taxes a little bit and the taxes go back up, but we've lost on everything.

Why? Because those are the only issues where we speak in clear moral terms. The left always speaks in clear immoral terms, and on guns, on the right to protect yourself, and on pro-life, conservative speaking, clear moral terms, terms, and that persuades people, and that is where we win. Don't go squishy now. We're talking about more than half the abortions in the United States are performed using drugs like this. Save half those babies. Let's go. This is great. Push forward on this. It will go up to the Supreme Court. I want to hear every conservative in the country embracing this, endorsing this, persuading their fellow citizens, that this is a good thing, this is the right thing to do. The judge has done his part. Let's go. All the conservative electeds,

all the media heads, all these people. I want to hear it. There has been, according to the liberal media, a muted response from Republicans who don't want this to swing back on them. I don't want a muted response. I don't want squishes. I don't want cowards. Speak up for life. If you're not going to defend life, you're not going to defend anything at all. Now, one way that I feel very vital, get my blood pumping. You know how I do it? With delicious good ranchers. Right now, go to good ranchers.com. Use promo code noles. I love good ranchers. It is the greatest meat ever. It is so much higher quality than other stuff you might get similar kind of companies. It is delivered whenever you want. They lock in your price. So inflation proves it in this crazy

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that you were before you prayed. The verb to pray in Hebrew is actually in the reflexive tense, right? Leit Palelle, which is supposed to, the idea is that it's supposed to be something that acts on you. The prayer is supposed to act on you. It's not supposed to be something where you're attempting to pry an answer out of God. Ben and Jordan are joined by a group of esteemed scholars, theologians, and artists for an in-depth discussion on a very, very important book of the Bible. It is every bit as illuminating as you would hope. New episodes are coming online every week exclusively for DailyWire Plus members. Join now at DailyWire.com slash subscribe to watch Exodus. Also, this past weekend, yes or no, the greatest game on the internet came back with the new episode. I sat down with my dear friend, Brett Cooper, and we bridged that generational divide.

on yes or no, you can have the game yourself. Right now, go to dailywired.com slash shop. We've shipped out thousands of these. It is going to sell out again, but they are shipping. Don't wait. Dailywire.com slash shop. Now, speaking of things going on in Tennessee right now, you know about the riot. I'm sorry, the peaceful, wonderful protest. That's what it's, it's a peaceful, wonderful protest when it's the Democrats leading people into, interrupt legislative procedures, and it's a terrible insurrection, the worst thing ever, when conservative grannies go take pictures in the Capitol Rotunda. That's what happens.

So now we're trying to figure out who these people are. There were three reps who pushed this nonsense, one of whom is a woman by the name of Gloria Johnson. Gloria Johnson is one of the three. she's the only one who managed to survive the expulsion vote. She survived it by one vote. The other two got booted out of the State House, but she survived it by one vote because she was slightly less egregious in her behavior on that day. So these are the kind of people who are running the show in New York. Gloria Johnson just recently made the claim that the conservatives in Tennessee are trying to bring back lynching. It was just a few weeks ago that one of my colleagues in our criminal justice committee, we had a bill. They have a bill to bring back the firing squad and the electric chair. And one of my colleagues said, I think we should bring back hanging by a tree. He literally suggested lynching. That's happening in Tennessee, by the way.

I said it was New York because of this woman's crazy ideas. But no, that's what a Tennessee lawmaker is saying. that's not what lynching is. Lynching is extrajudicial killing by a group of people. Lynching does not always involve hanging. Lynch mobs can lynch people

all sorts of different ways. And hanging does not always mean lynching. In fact, most of the time hanging has not meant lynching. But most of the time, hanging has just been the punishment for a crime meted out by the courts. If a criminal is tried and convicted and then hanged,

you wouldn't call that a lynching. That is just the ordinary administration of justice. This woman doesn't know a basic fact about the justice system. And it makes me wonder, how long can we govern ourselves with ignorance this pervasive? How long can we continue this republic of ours when people, and especially our leaders, don't know a thing about anything. They don't know, I'm not saying that they have kind of eccentric ideas, or we would disagree on this. I mean, they just don't know basic facts about anything. They don't know what a man is. They don't know what a woman is. How long can we endure? Our constitution is great. It's a really nice piece of paper with really nice fancy handwriting on it. But it doesn't mean anything if there are not people

to run the government properly. And we have such blithe ignorance in this country, especially among the leadership class. I don't know how much longer we can go on like this. Now, the other person who helped lead the Tennessee riot, a guy named Justin Pearson. Justin Pearson is a preacher, I guess, in addition to being a former politician,

a guy who used to have a seat in the state house, but now got booted out. Here is the way that Pearson preaches. Would you mind going ahead and praying with me now, Mother God, Creator God, loving God, holy God. Take this your servant made from dust and connect it with the raw materials of stardust to speak in this moment, to say something that brings forward the word you placed into my heart. I accept my unworthiness for such a task as bold as this, and I seek your guidance as you use me and speak through me. To the ancestor preachers who made sermons from hymns, moans, and groans.

and spirituals from the bondage of slavery, speak now through this your descendant. To the black women locked out, being abused, tormented, raped, eradicated, and yet born a new and distant future in this country into a young colored boy named me. I name you now, my great-grandmother Anna Ruth, my great-grandmother Flossi, my great-grandmother Eveline, my great-grandmother Levina. He goes on and on and on. Slam poetry is the death of art. it would seem to be the death of religious worship, and it's now also the death of politics.

He opens up, he says, Mother God, these people who insist that we honor their pronouns, their preferred pronouns, they won't honor God's preferred pronouns. They never seem to do that. Why does it matter? Why does it matter what this guy's religious views are? Or irreligious views, I guess, in this case. Because, as John Adams told us, the Constitution is built for a moral and religious people. And when he's talking about religion, he's talking about Christianity. Not Mother God ancestor worship or whatever this guy's talking about, but actual Christianity. Not the, what is this place called? The Memphis Unitarian Universalist Meeting House, but Christianity.

John Adams spelled that out. He said, the beliefs that animate America are Christian beliefs. The morality that animates America, it's Christian morality. John Jay said this. The founding fathers said this resoundingly. Why is a politician a preacher? I'm not on him because he's a preacher. Of course, government is in the religion business. How and who and what we worship more than anything else forms who we are. If we worship God, we're going to have a godlier, goodlier, better society. If we worship

money, we're going to have a materialistic society. If we worship weird sex stuff, we're going to have a lust convulsed society. If we worship ourselves, we're in a very selfish society. In that sermon, he goes on, he talks about how important it is to trans everybody. They won't have to worry about folks talking about advocating for people to get access to health care who are transgender children. Won't have to worry about the need to end lynching as capital punishment. Oh, and there it is too. Oh, man. The first time all I caught was the need to trans people. And by the way, children, he says, we listen, we need to. I'm praying to the mother goddess of the spirit of my ancestors. And that is why we need to chop off the healthy genitals of the little

children. And that is why we need to pump them full of cross-sex hormones and sterilize the children because of my religious views. And that is why we need to stop lynching as capital punishment. Lynching cannot be capital punishment by definition. capital punishment is a part of the judicial system. If a person has a fair trial, a real trial, and is convicted by the civil authority, by the judicial system, and is then killed, that cannot be lynching. By definition, these are the people who are running our states. and that this is going to be increasingly the case. This is a young man. He's in his mid to late 20s.

It's not his fault that he was poorly educated. It's not his fault that he was raised in some bizarreo, pseudo-religious upbringing. It's not his fault that this was how he was formed. It's not his fault, but it is our problem. Our leaders are just so profoundly ignorant. they have no idea. And when all of our leaders have no idea, our country cannot fly. The Constitution was built for a moral and religious people.

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basically nothing good coming out of Hollywood. So head on over to who is nefarious.com. My favorite comment yesterday is from Scoot. Scoot, who says, I can't wait for this debate. It's going to be a classic. Thanks, Knowles. Bad news for you, Scoot. Sorry, man. I was looking forward to it, too. I thought it would have been an interesting debate. But all I can do is accept a debate invitation. but if my debate opponent gets cold feet at the very end, what can I do? Debates over before it began. I guess I won, but I still wish we could have had the debate. Say it, Lavi. Say it Lavi. Now, speaking of our rulers, 24 is around the corner, and there's a really interesting poll that just came out of Florida.

Ron DeSantis has just edged out Donald Trump in Florida. Now, this might be expected because Ronda Santis is the governor of Florida, so he's active right now, especially in that state. People are very aware of him there. Okay. The reason this matters is because Florida is the one state where you could say that Ronda Santos and Donald Trump have pretty much the same degree of name recognition. people whose nose is in politics all the time frequently forget that a lot of people don't pay attention to this stuff so frequently. And so Ron DeSantis doesn't have anywhere near the name recognition that Donald Trump has nationwide. But in Florida they do.

And head-to-head in Florida, DeSantis, at least according to this poll from Mason-Dixon polling, is slightly edging out Trump in Florida. Great news for DeSantis. However, I still think Trump has the advantage here. I still think this is Trump's race to lose. DeSantis has done a great job building up his support among Floridians. It's taken him a while to do that and he's got really tangible results for Florida residents to point to. Is he going to be able to do that nationwide? It's hard to see how Trump has had such a head start. Trump is going to get so much free publicity from the media. And the fact that the libs hate Trump more than they hate

DeSantis is going to help Trump in the primary. Unless they throw this guy in prison and prevent him from campaigning. It's hard to see how DeSantis ultimately pulls it off. But this is good news for him. This is a good start to his campaign. It shows that he's at least got a shot to do it. The best argument against Trump in 2024 is that the powers that be are just not going to let him win again. And that's not a fair knock on his campaign. And it's not right and it's not just not just, but especially if you think that there were shenanigans in the 2020 election, what's to say there's not going to be shenanigans this time? How are you going to prevent that? If you think that there are interests that can strongly influence a campaign and an election,

how's Trump going to prevent that this time? Speaking of the deep state, the FBI cultivated sources in Catholic parishes. The FBI was spying on Catholics simply for going to mass as part of a counter-terrorism campaign. We know this now because of the man, Jim Jordan, who as the head of the Judiciary Committee of the House, just wrote to the director of the FBI, Christopher Ray, and observes that based on the limited information produced by the FBI to the committee, we now know that the FBI relied on at least one undercover agent to produce its analysis and that the FBI proposed that its agents engage in outreach to Catholic parishes, to develop sources among the clergy and church

leadership, to inform on Americans practicing their faith. So they're trying to go and flip the priests on the parishioners. Do you realize how messed up this is? Especially considering that Christianity is an incarnational faith, Catholicism in particular, takes that sacramental incarnational aspect very, very seriously. Catholics engage in sacramental confession. We go into the confess our sins to a priest. We tell the priest all the worst stuff that we've done, and we try to do it regularly, ideally once a week. And the seal of that confessional is inviolable. And then the FBI goes in there and tries to get the clergy to rat on the parishioners. Can you imagine how perverse that is, how corrupt that is?

Jordan goes on. He says, we've repeatedly sought information from the FBI relating to this document that came out at the end of January entitled interest of racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists in radical traditionalist Catholic ideology almost certainly presents new mitigation opportunities, a classic gobbledygook from the government, but it's saying the Catholics are radicals, especially to conservative Catholics, they're radicals, and the feds are going to go in and spy on them, which proves that memo that wasn't just a one-off memo, oopsie daisy, that's how the FBI tried to play it off. They said, oh, whoopsies, that memo, that doesn't meet our standards. Oops. Don't know how that got in there. Yeah, okay, it's gone. It's gone. Nothing to see here. No, we didn't mean that. Hey, is that a butterfly? Hey,

come on. Stop looking here. But no, this was a program. This was a program carried out by the FBI with agents on the case spying on Catholics. That is scary because it raises all sorts of questions about how our democracy really It raises all sorts of questions about the power of the deep state. And it especially shows you just what utter garbage it is when you hear the libs whining and crying clutching their pearls over the threats. The threats to our sacred democracy posed by the horn hat man taking a selfie in the Capitol. What about the threats to our sacred democracy from the FBI spying on Christians? Going in and trying to flip priests on their parishioners.

What about that? That seems like a bigger threat to our sacred democracy. than some Midwestern grannies having, taking pictures in the Capitol. It's our democracy. And you know, do you know that the conservatives are not even defending our sacred democracy?

According to, according to MSNBC's Nicole Wallace. Nicole Wallace says, not a single Republican is doing anything to protect democracy. The Republican, the corruption of the party that you and I were a part of

is also a story that gets short-true. We sanitize that too. It's corrupt from the top to the bottom, from east to west. Not one Republican condemn the Tennessee Republican majority for what they did. Not one Republican who thought that bringing democracy to Iraq or Afghanistan would make our country safer, which was, I know it's on pipe in there, but that was the position of Mitch McConnell and every elected Republican. Not one of them is interested in doing a single goddamn thing to protect democracy here in America, here in Tennessee. Not one of them.

the Republicans who voted to expel the Democrat lawmakers who led what, and a protest that the sort of protest that the Democrats themselves have called an insurrection in a coup d'etat. And these Democrat lawmakers in Tennessee led it. The thing that the Democrats say posed the greatest threat to democracy and almost overthrew our whole constitutional order. these Democrat lawmakers led one of those, a much more serious version of those, in the Tennessee State House,

and then when they were expelled, those same liberals come in and they say, this is a threat to democracy. It's always a threat. When you don't give the liberals what they want, that's always going to be the threat to democracy, even when it is an expression of democracy. When the Republicans in the statehouse

who are duly elected by their constituents, when they exercise their right to expel members for certain extraordinary misbehavior that the members have engaged in. That is not the undermining of democracy. It can't be by definition. That is by definition and expression of democracy. But what the liberals mean by democracy is liberalism. So if the people go in and they elect a Trump or they elect an Orban or they elect a George Maloney or they elect any conservative ever, that is always a threat to democracy,

according to the liberals, because they don't like democracy. They only like liberalism. Now, what are we going to do about it? I love that those Republicans expelled those miscreans. What are we going to do about it? Well, we've got an answer. The State Freedom Caucus Network. My colleague Luke Roziak here just reported on this at Daily Wire. The State Freedom Caucus Network is just what it sounds like. It's the Freedom Caucus that you see in the House of Representatives, but at the state level, it has taken root in 11 states And the mission of the state Freedom Caucus Network is to make sure that Republicans, when they have political power, use that political power in the states. We have a lot of political power at the state level, and we don't really use it all that well. And you see what happens.

When a Republican governor and a Republican legislature wield political power in the states, big change can happen, like we've seen in Florida under Ronda Santas, it's the reason that we're going to be able to. that Ronda Santis is being talked about as the number two presidential candidate right now on the right. But what about the other states? States such as Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Utah, they've got way more Republican control than Florida does. 90% of seats in Wyoming are held by Republicans. Ohio has more Republican control than Florida does. So why aren't they leading? Why are we all looking to Florida? We should be. be looking to Florida on one issue, and then Wyoming one ups them on another issue. And then Ohio one ups Wyoming on another issue. Well, that's what the State Freedom Caucus Network is setting out

to do. Led by Andrew Roth, who is a former executive at the Club for Growth, alongside Justin Wemet, I'd probably mispronouncing that, which is the House Freedom Caucus's former executive director. Great News. Let's do it, baby. This is something I've been calling for for a very long time. Weald that political power, not just at the national glitzy issues. but down at the state level two, down at the local level two, got to wield it. You got to use it or lose it. Speaking of political power being wielded and all these sorts of political fights, Alvin Bragg, who is the Manhattan District Attorney who is trying to imprison Donald Trump, he is now suing Jim Jordan, the head of the House Judiciary Committee,

because Jim Jordan is going to subpoena a prosecutor who formerly worked for Bragg because Jim Jordan thinks that the prosecution by Bragg of Donald Trump is a violation of our constitutional norms and something within the purview of the House Judiciary Committee, because the House Judiciary Committee, though focused on the federal level, obviously has an interest in what happens to presidents and former presidents. Are you confused by that? Yeah, I'm a little bit confused too. But what it basically boils down to is that you've got to fight between the federal government and the local government. And what's weird about this fight is that the federal government is actually being represented by the conservatives and the local government in New York is being represented by the liberals. And in this case, Jim Jordan is in the right. We're in uncharted territory. So you're going to hear people making all sorts of legal arguments. All of those arguments are going to be novel legal arguments because we've never been in a position before where a former president and current leader of the opposition is being arrested by the ruling party. Because we've degraded our country and now we're living in

something closer to a banana republic. And it's going to be the Republicans on the side of the feds here, on the side of federal power, because the guy that they've gone after is a former president. But Jordan is right here. This is a huge overreach by the liberals and by New York. And I hope, I am so glad that we've got Jim Jordan in the fight. He is the man for the hour. Keep it up, guys. Okay, the rest of the show continues now. We've got a really important video for Woke Wednesday. this is the love don't judge, the latest love don't judge video in which my producer, Ben Davies, wants to see how long I cannot judge and how long you cannot judge whatever is in this video. Become a member, use code Noles, K&W, LES, a checkout for two months free on all annual plans.