The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1753 - Elon Musk Apologizes To Donald Trump

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

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Elon has apologized to the president. The two men have reportedly talked on the phone. Now many people are wondering if it was all just a show, all a farce from the beginning. And I actually have a lot of insider knowledge on this because I was in D.C. when this was happening, I will tell you what really went down. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Nulls show. Welcome back to the show. Simone Biles, a gymnast lady from the Olympics, has apologized over her pro-transactivism, which is an amazing story because it means we won. We haven't totally eradicated transgenderism from public life entirely.

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Well, I guess we're still talking about, you know, guys who know a little bit about style, in their own quite diverse styles. Elon going a little bit more for that kind of, you know, gangster cash style. President Trump loves his brioni suits. Well, the bro feud following the bromance might finally be over because Elon has apologized, sort of. Elon tweeted out, I regret some of my posts about President Donald Trump last week. They went too far. You will recall there were accusations going back and forth both sides. Elon attacked President Trump over the big beautiful bill. President Trump kind of insinuated that Elon was self-dealing. Elon then kind of accused President Trump of being a pedophile or something.

It was all insinuation. That wasn't a real hardcore accusation. And so they were fighting, man. And now they appear to be making up. It's being reported in, I think, the Wall Street Journal, that President Trump and Musk have had a phone call and kind of worked it out a little bit. And so this is great. This is great on its face. because, as I've said on the show for a long time,

the liberal media have been trying to pit these two men against each other for the better part of a year now. Why? Because they have a very potent, powerful friendship. Elon provided, what, $200 million to the Trump campaign and brought over one of the big social media platforms to help the Trump campaign. President Trump has benefited from not just that,

but also Elon's expertise in the government. And Elon has benefited, I think, from the bully pulpit of the presidency and he obviously wanted to get his toe in politics, and he's been able to do a lot of great stuff in the federal government. So it's a powerful alliance that has been very, very painful for the left. And so they've been trying every which way to divide these men. And at a certain point, it did seem it all blew up.

Now, I kind of expected it would blow up at some point. You know, these are two boisterous billionaires who are both top dogs and, you know, Elon, very important role in the White House, but he wasn't the number one guy. and President Trump, you know, he's been the number one guy for a long time. And so these two personalities were going to clash. Some people are saying that this was all a show. It was all just a farce.

It was all fake for the Internet. And, you know, people fell for it, but they shouldn't have fallen for it. And I am here to tell you, because I do, in fact, have insider knowledge on this. It was a real feud. It was real. Coincidentally, I was in D.C., hanging out with some pals of mine who are, who are, are close to the situation, highly placed sources, you might call them. It was real. This was real, and this was really being managed in and outside of the White House. It's real. And I know why people

would think or be inclined to think it was fake, but I just know for a fact it wasn't. And this gets to a broader point about politics, which is when I was not really involved in politics, I was very skeptical of a lot of grand conspiracy claims. And then when I got a little bit involved in politics, I started to think everything was a grand conspiracy. And then when I got really involved in politics, when I really started to know the key top players, when I started to see events happening firsthand in real time,

then I realized, again, that sometimes things just happen, that not everything is a grand conspiracy. see. And the Learn Latin Twitter account called this the Knowles Kruger effect. When you only know a little bit, you've got one point of view and you're in the middle, you have a totally different point of view. When you know a lot, you kind of go back to the first point of view. That's what I can tell you about this. I remember even when I was doing the show with Senator Cruz's verdict for years. This was a while ago. I remember I was seeing stuff happening in the Senate in real time and interacting with lots of senators and seeing things happen.

I'd read reports on the internet. Say, oh, no, it's all for show. This is all fake. Here's what's what's really going on. I'd say, no, I actually know these people. I'm seeing it happen. I'm seeing their blood vessels, you know, start pulsating in their next night. I knew for a fact.

I said, at least I don't even remember the issues exactly. This was all around the impeachment and COVID and whatever. But I remember thinking, no, no, no, I actually know for a fact that X, Y, Z problem is not actually a grand conspiracy. And it's kind of funny that I was in D.C. hanging out with people very close to the situation on last week, Thursday and Friday, when this was going down. Because I can tell you for a fact. Again, I guess you just have to kind of take my word for it.

And Elon's word for it and Trump's word for it. But this was real, man. And sometimes the simplest solution is really what happened. Sometimes two billionaire boisterous guys who view themselves as great men of history and might well be great men of history. Sometimes they just kind of, come to blows. And then sometimes, you know what happens when bros come to blows? Sometimes they make up.

And I think that's what's happening here. You're seeing a rapprochement. The feud wasn't good for anybody. It certainly wasn't good for Elon Musk. I think the surveys that came out afterwards showed that more people sided with Trump. But even more than picking a side. Some people really wanted to divide them. All of a sudden, they started trashing Musk. I think that's insane. Musk is a great guy. Musk really has helped conservatives by buying X, by buying Twitter, than naming it X by helping Trump in the election. Trump, obviously, we love Trump. And so really what people were rooting for, I think, is for this feud to just dissipate. It seems that that's what's happening is great.

And sometimes stuff just happens, man. These are real people. I think when you view politics at a distance, you think they're all just glittering figures on a screen. But when you get up close, you realize they're real human beings. They're real people. And it's actually a consolation for conservatives because it means, look, we're in power right now. That's great. But even when the libs are in power and the libs are very well organized, they're not omnipotent.

Okay, you know, this is one issue with sort of grand conspiracy arcs is you tend to make a group of people, the libs, the Dems, whatever, the deep state, any group it is. You make them into demigods or something. You make them into omnipotent, infallible people. They're not. Sometimes things just happen, threatens to derail the train. Now, happy to see. No question. Trump train moving full steam ahead with

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because Trump came in. They thought they were going to get away with it. They thought they were going to have a summer of love, George Floyd 2.0, get to burn down whatever they wanted. And then Trump said, yeah, we're not going to have that. we're going to send in Tom Homan, we're going to deport a bunch of illegals, and then when you make a ruckus

and you start setting stuff on fire and you start throwing Molotov cocktails at cops, and you start getting out of hand with your Mexican flags and your Palestinian kephas and your all cops are bad signs and your anarchism and all the rest. When you start doing that, we're going to arrest you too.

We're going to shut down this city. We're not going to deal with it. You want to talk about a lesson learned from the first administration to the second administration. Trump is using a heavier hand here, and it's a political winner. That's what people want.

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According to news reports, the military-style units that we saw in Los Angeles, they're coming to New York. They're coming to Chicago. They're coming to Seattle. They're coming to Philly. They're coming to Northern Virginia around the D.C. area. This is according to MSNBC. They're going to cities that are full of illegal aliens. and run by Democrats.

This is great stuff. Ice tactical units to all these cities and who knows. Maybe the National Guard if the libs get a little uppity and maybe the Marines too. Great stuff. I love to hear this. And my question is why not? You know, you had the protests, the cry of hope, the songs of joy as the left-wing terrorists were throwing Molotov cocktails. You had the protests in L.A.

and then Trump shut him down. And that was not only the right thing to do, that was a political winner for Trump. So now you've got protests in 35 cities. I say, is a Republican, as a conservative, is a Trump supporter, bring it on. Great. Good. Have you protests in 300 cities. I don't care what you do.

There is a political mandate to do this. Mass deportations won the popular vote. Trump didn't hide the ball. He didn't hide the ball on Elon. Elon was on stage with him. He didn't hide the ball on what he's doing. And he won the popular vote. So it's the right thing to do to send in ice.

It's the lawful thing to do. That's what federal law says to do. States have no right to contradict federal law. There is a political mandate to do it. And even after the fact, it's a proven political winner. So I think the Dems are terrified over this. They're putting on a strong face, Gavin Newsom. He's, oh, I'm the chief Democrat fighting Trump.

Yeah, okay, I guess you are. So Gavin Newsom is now getting. more presidential play in his party than Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, Gretchen Whitmer, all those people. Sure, okay, good for him. But it totally derailed his strategy. Because his strategy, he realized the Democrats had gone too far and they were politically toxic and they were going to lose the popular vote again if they kept it up. So what did Newsom do? He tried to move to the middle. And he tried to be friends with Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon. That was his, that was what he was playing. He realized MAGA is the mainstream movement. So he was trying to get part of MAGA in the

same way that Trump took part of the Democrats. And he was trying to do that. And then Trump forced his hand. He said, okay, well, we're going to send in ICE because that's what the people elected us to do. And what are you going to do? You're going to stand with the law and with the people and with our borders and our Constitution. Or are you going to stand with the Mexican flag waving lunatics tossing Milo Altoff cocktails? And Newsom made his pick. Newsom said, I'm, I stand with, why are you making me do this? I guess I stand with the Mexican flag, Palestinian Kefee, violent rioters. Okay.

Right. Okay. Now you're the leader of your party, which is unelectable. Good. Good. You get to be the number one loser. Great.

So now this is going to spread. It's already in 35 cities in the protests, but the ice raids are going to spread at least to these five major Democrat cities, and it's going to force the hands of the governors of Illinois and Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro, and New York, Kathy Hochel.

And it's going to force the libs all around D.C. and it's going to force their hands. So if the Democrats were smart, here's what they would do. If the Democrat protesters, rioters, politicians, tomato, if they were smart, when ICE shows up and they have their protests, they would wave the American flag instead of the Mexican flag. Because at the very least, then, they could make the claim that they're the ones defending patriotism and civil liberties and the Constitution and America. And they would wrap themselves in the flag if they were smart. And I know what you're thinking right now. You're thinking, Michael, shut up.

Shut up. Don't give them good advice on how to play this when it comes to them. Why would you give them? I'll tell you why I'm not afraid to give them this good advice. Because they can't do it. They cannot do it. Gavin Newsom just proved that. Gavin Newsom knew that the politically smart thing to do if he wants to win the general election is to defend the Marines and law enforcement and the American flag and the Constitution and the law. And he can't do it because his base won't let him do it. because the Democrats hate the country. As they've said, sometimes in academic ways, we say,

well, actually, our country was founded on whiteness and the original sin of slavery and it's imperialistic. Sometimes they gussied up that way. And sometimes you just say like F America and F Trump and they burn the American flag in the street like they're doing in L.A. But it's the same thing. The professors and the politicians and the lunatics in the streets, they're all saying effectively the same thing. We hate America. So they can't wave the American flag. to the American flag. They'll wave the pride flag. They'll wave the terrorist pride flag,

the one with the triangles. They'll wave the Mexican flag. They'll wave the Palestinian flag. They'll wave all the flags except the American flag. So I'm giving you great advice. I don't care. Here it is, Democrats. If you want this to play well for you, wave the American flag. I dare you. You can do it. So the show rolls on, the Trump train rolls on. It's going to be beautiful. Now, there's another report out, also from Wall Street Journal. how Home Depot became ground zero in Trump's deportation push. This is great. This is great, great news.

Not because I don't like the guy. You know how Home Depot works. It's all the illegal aliens are looking for day work hanging out outside Home Depot. So you go there, you pick up your tools, you pick up your lumber, you pick up whatever you're going to get. And then you pick up a bunch of people from Latin America who don't have papers, illegal aliens, to come over and do the work on your house for cheap. Because you can pay them slave wages rather than hiring an American to do the job. That's why they go there. Because they get a lot of work there.

And I actually have sympathy for those guys. Because they're obviously hardworking guys. They're out there trying to work. They're not like welfare, receiving, you know, couch potatoes or something. I have sympathy for them, but they're not supposed to be here. And if they want to come here, they need to get in line, but we should actually drastically reduce all immigration, including legal immigration. And sorry, we have a right to be a sovereign country. and we have a right to our culture and to our language and to our demographics and to electoral security.

And we have a right to those things. And I'm sorry that the Democrats told you to come over here. I'm sorry that Joe Biden rolled out the red carpet and Kamala Harris wouldn't close the border. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you got hoodwinked. But you did something bad too. You broke our laws. You knew you were breaking our laws. You worked with hideous evil cartels to do it. And so, sorry, you got to go. this is a great sign because it means that Trump is serious about the deportations. If Trump were not serious about the deport, as I've pointed out, a conservative estimate, we have 11 to 16 million illegal aliens in the country.

If Trump were only going and arresting MS-13 in Tranda, Aragua, and even the people around them, we would, by the end of this term, deport, what, at best, 200 to 400,000 people? and that's a generous estimate. That's nothing. That's a fraction of an iota of a fraction of a drop in the bucket. But Trump didn't get elected just to deport Trind Aragua.

He got elected on a campaign promising mass deportations. That's what the people want. Of all sorts of races, all sorts of backgrounds, Trump won 46% of the Hispanic vote on that line.

And if you want to get mass deportations of illegal aliens, go to Home Depot. And the Libs are going to cry their crocodile tears because they're going to lose their slave labor and they're going to have to pay more to mow their lawn. Okay, yeah, that's a pity. It's a pity that you gave us this situation.

But this means that Trump is serious. It means that the second Trump administration is a little different from the first Trump administration. And I prefer the second Trump administration. I really like the first one, but I prefer the second one. Kim Kardashian is attacking Trump. Speaking of flashbacks from the first Trump administration,

she's hitting Trump over the deportations. She writes, here do I have it? Where's Kim? No, I don't have it. I'll try to read it on the screen, even though it's in silly colors. When we're told that ICE exists

to keep our country safe and remove violent criminals, great. Hold on. Pause. I'm going to put your pause right there. I don't know why you were told that. That's not why ICE exists. Ice does not exist to keep our country safe and remove violent criminals. Ice stands for immigration and customs enforcement.

ICE exists to enforce immigration law, not just to remove the violent criminals, not just to keep you safe. You got cops to keep you safe, got the military, keep you safe. Specifically what ICE does is enforce immigration law. It's a little slate of hand that the libs always try to push. Well, you're just supposed to deport the violent ones. No, no, you're supposed to deport all of them. They're not supposed to be here. But when we witness innocent heart of the law, working, they're not innocent, they committed crimes, hardworking people being ripped from their families. They don't need to be ripped from their families. The whole family should go in inhumane ways. It's not inhumane. It's real legal, orderly ways. We have to speak up. We have to do what's right. Growing up in

LA, I saw how deeply immigrants are woven into the fabric of the city. Yeah, immigrants are woven into the fabric of America. For better and worse, to greater and lesser degrees over history, that's true. Illegal aliens and legal immigrants are totally different groups. And these are our neighbors, our friends, our classmates, are co-workers, our slaves. She doesn't say that, but that's what she means. They're our slaves. We hire them to give us cheap labor. And you're taking my cheap labor away. Yeah, sorry, lady.

You've got to pay a little bit more. No matter where you fall politically, it's clear our communities thrive because of the contributions of immigrants. No. Immigrants can help and immigrants can also tax our resources and commit crimes and rape and murder people. It is far from clear that our cities thrive

because of immigrants. Some immigrants are great. Some are terrible. Some are here legally. Some are here illegally. The illegal ones got to go. we can't turn a blind eye there has to be a better way i kim cardassian was maybe the worst part of the first trump administration she was awful and she got smuggled in because trump was uh buddies with conier west

and they were married at that point trump and or not trump not trump and kim car dashington but but conya and kim car dashion and so she had this big role in the white house and her role it was awful she's a huge lib and her big contribution was was pushing the jailbreak act where we let criminals out of prison for some reason. Trump gets elected to put more criminals in prison and then this lady weasles her way into the White House and then her big achievement is to let criminals out of prison. It was terrible. This woman is awful and she should be kept as far away from the White House as possible. What she's saying here about ICE is just not true. Her views are wrong. And I am quite hopeful that she has very little sway in the White House these days because, as I just mentioned,

there is a difference between the first Trump admin and the second Trump admin. And the first Trump admin was good. I really liked it. I'm real gung-ho. about it. The second Trump admin is better. It's a better oil machine. It's working better even when fights break out. When a little feuds break out, they're resolved quickly. People are working together. It's staffed very well. The people are very serious all the way up to the top. The president is a little more battle-hardened because he's been in this a long time. The vice president is superb. The cabinet is excellent. It is all the way down to the staff level. The staff is just better overall than it was in the first term. This is good stuff. I like Trump 1.0. I would love Trump 2.0. Now,

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Speaking of liberal celebrity ladies, Simone Biles, I talked about her on the show. She's a gymnast lady. She's an Olympian. She's won many medals, I am told. I don't watch the Olympics, but I'm told that. And she's a huge lib,

and she attacked my friend Riley Gaines in a nasty, catty way. Because Riley Gaines, as opposed to hulking dudes participating in women's sports for obvious reasons, for matters of justice, for matters of safety, all the rest. And Simone Biles attacked Riley and called her ugly, which is insane.

Riley Gaines is a very good-looking woman. And Simone Biles, this is how I know Simone Biles is at least not a man. Simone Biles attacked her in this very catty, girly way. If you competed against people who were your size, you'd compete against a man. A little cat fight breaks out. And she was doing this because she's all gung-ho on the trans stuff five years ago. Simone Biles would have won, Riley Gaines would have lost. Simone Biles would be given even more endorsement deals

because of standing up for transgenderism. And what happened now? She apologized. She writes this. I wanted to follow up from my last tweets. Last tweets were, you're ugly Riley Gaines and I hate you and we need dudes in women's sports, me, me, me, me, me. And this is a little more measured.

Whatever PR firm wrote this, you were actually probably a little too measured because it reads so inauthentic. I wanted to follow up from my last tweets. I've always believed competitive equity and inclusivity are both essential in sport. The current system does not adequately balance these important principles, which often leads to frustration in heated exchanges. It didn't help for me to get personal with Riley, which I apologize for. Yeah, yeah, that's right. You do apologize. That's right. Why are you apologizing? These are sensitive, complicated. Oh, they're complicated issues.

I thought you said it was a simple issue that fellas should participate in women's sports. And if you don't go along with that, you're a terrible bigot and ugly. No, these are sensitive, complicated issues now that I truly don't have the answers or solutions to it. Yeah, you don't. But I believe it starts with empathy and respect. Yeah, good. Yeah, I like this more respectful tone. I was not advocating for policies that compromise fairness in women's sports. Yes, you were. Yes, you were. You were advocating for dudes to participate in women's sports and beat them because men are physically stronger than women. You were, and now you're lying and you're relieving yourself on my leg and you're telling me it's raining, but at least you're apologizing. My objection is to be singling out children

for public scrutiny, blah, blah, blah. Here's why I didn't really say what I said. X-O-X-O-Simon Hart. Yeah. Yeah, we won. And some people are saying, well, it's not a sincere apology. I don't know.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. You're right. It doesn't read like she wrote it. But who cares? When you tell your little kid, you know, I have two toddlers. All boys, two toddlers, one baby boy.

And my two toddlers, when they get into a little fight and you say, say you sorry. Sometimes, sometimes they will. I have sweet little boys. they will sincerely say they're sorry. Sometimes they don't want to say they're sorry. You say, you say you're sorry right now. And you got a little stick and you got a little carrot. You know, and you make sure that they say, and they say, I'm sorry. Did they say, I'm sorry because they're sincere about it? No. They said, I'm sorry because you made them do it. And the fact that you can make

them do it means you have authority. You're the sovereign. We are the sovereign now. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. We are the cultural hegemons now. That's what that means. The incentives, financial, political, all the rest, cultural, are pressuring Simone Biles to disavow the transgender ideology and to grovel to Riley Gaines and to all of us and to the electorate and to Trump. Fine by me. We won. We won. We've not fully eradicated transgenderism from public life entirely yet, but as I point, it out, ideas have momentum, and they go down a long way following their own inner logic. And then when you pull on that thread and you expose a weakness, they start going back in the other direction and they don't just stop when the lips want them to stop. They keep going. Good, good stuff. Speaking of uneducated people, the president of the National Education Association,

I was just filmed shrieking, it's on C-SPAN cameras, shrieking at an anti-deportation rally. This is Howard Dean's scream of teacher unions. I've got to give a hat tip to Corey DeAngelis for finding this clip. These are the people in charge of education in America. And I know some people are considering homeschooling their kids or sending them to, I don't know, a charter school or a co-op or something. And I know, because I feel it myself, the objection is, well, am I capable of it? I don't know the first thing about teaching. Am I capable of teaching my children?

A little encouragement is These are the people educating your kids These are the people running the mob That works with all the teachers The teacher kids And that woman Does not sound like she graduated from the eighth grade That woman is not educated

She's not in control of her emotions She doesn't know anything She's advocating policies that are contrary to law and reason And the good, the true, and the beautiful Whatever you do with your kids' education, don't send them to her Why is a teacher union president at an anti-deportation rally?

Unless, I don't know, maybe some of the teachers are illegals or something. I don't know, but why those two should not have much to do with each other. If they have anything to do with each other, the teachers should be teaching people to follow the law. Injustice and reason. Those are the people in charge of education. So when homeschooling rises, when charter schools rise, when the, co-ops and all this sort of stuff around, when people look for alternatives, they're doing so for very, very good reason.

I'm not saying everyone's fit to homeschool. They're not. I'm not saying everyone can afford a private school. They can't. I'm not saying that everyone's right for a co-op or this or that or the other thing. But avoid that. At the first rule of medicine, do no harm, first do no harm, those people are going to harm your kids.

They're going to harm their intellects. They're going to harm their souls. It's not just the teachers you. unions. Other union leaders are backing the illegals. Here is Liz Schuller, head of the AFL-CIO. In the labor movement, we were built on this word, and that word is solidarity. Solidarity. The word is solidarity. She says that these migrants are our neighbors, our coworkers. These are people who are looking for a better life and are contributing to our economy. It's ahead of the AFL-CIO. David Huerta, who's the head of SCIU, United Service Workers West. I've had to deal with SEIU and campaigns before because they always bus people in for Democrats.

It says hardworking people and members of our family and our community are being treated like criminals. They are criminals. We all collectively have to object to this madness because this is not justice. This is injustice. Okay, you got to remember how crazy this is. Labor, American labor unions are supposed to advocate on behalf of American labor, the working class. illegal immigration harms American labor

because it undercuts their wages because it provides slave wages for wealthy people like the Kim Kardashian's of the world and even outside of Hollywood for the Chamber of Commerce type squishy Republicans. So you've got these two things.

Mass migration, especially illegal immigration, and American labor are at odds in their interests. And the head of the American labor unions are on the side of the illegals against their own members. So this reminds us,

of a political issue, Trump has made really strong inroads with American labor in a way that Republicans haven't seen probably since Ronald Reagan. Remember, in 2024, the Teamsters did not endorse either Kamala or Trump, which seems like that's not great for us, except the fact that the Teamsters didn't endorse the Democrat is what's shocking. That was effectively an endorsement for Trump. Sean O'Brien, the Teamsters, spoke at the RNC last year. However, another a reminder, there's a lot of corruption in organized labor. And so there's a lot of enthusiasm, especially among young conservatives. There's a lot of enthusiasm for reforming political coalitions, especially Trump made a new coalition. And so there's a lot of enthusiasm. Wow, well,

you know what we're going to do? We're going to become the party of labor. Well, good. I want to be the party of the working class, but can we really become the party of organized labor? We're going to become the party that wins votes for Muslims. I do want to win votes for Muslims, but are we going to become the party of, you know, Keffias and stuff now, too. This shows you the difficulty of forming these kinds of coalitions. You think you just flick a magic switch? He's, okay, now we're the party of labor. Now, that's what labor does.

For goodness' sake, Bernie Sanders, for most of his political career, has been opposed to illegal immigrate, it's been kind of an immigration hawk because he's an old-school Marxist and he supports labor. And you've got the heads of labor doing this? No. It's going to be very hard. So as we should always do as conservatives, temper your expectations. Don't get too far ahead of your skis here. Don't give up what we have, a sturdy coalition, to go chasing the next shiny bobble. I want to win over American labor.

We ain't going to do it by cutting deals with these people. These people are bought and paid for by the Democrats. They would sell out their own members without blinking. And they do regularly. You've got to be a little more precise, a little more patient, a little more prudent about these things to hold the coalitions together. Okay, I have much more to say. I have much, much more to say. Tulsi Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, just posted a video. Some people are accusing her of apologizing for the U.S. dropping the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You've got U.S. embassies in Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, evacuating, shows you how wars can spin out of control as there is a consulate.

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It's kind of funny, though, I said, you know, a lot of people are talking about how we're allowed to say gay again. And then they bleeped out the word gay. They probably did it again if you're watching on YouTube. They bleeped it again. Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay. But they're not doing it for the show or for daily wire purposes. It's because certain social media platforms still insist upon that. And they don't enforce it uniformly.

It's only certain shows that have to watch out for it. So all of this to say, we're winning. The Trump train is moving. this is all really good stuff. A lot more concerted interests that we need to subdue. Not totally destroy. We're not total libs. We need to subdue and get them to catch up with the program.

Now, I'm very excited to bring on Aaron Siri. Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has just fired all 17 members of the CDC Vaccine Committee. And the liberal media are really upset about it. this, stories, and all the papers of record. I am so pleased right now to be joined by Aaron Siri, who is a lawyer who has worked on these issues and worked with and around Secretary Kennedy for many, many years. Who can help clear things up? Because me, what do I know? I don't know anything about vaccines. I'm a little skeptical of everything I'm told about vaccines by the public health experts

who spent the better part of the last five years lying to me and gaslighting me. But I don't know. I mean, are they good? Are they bad? Or they? I don't know. What is Secretary Kennedy doing? sat down at the White House with Secretary Kennedy. And I asked him, I said, is anything going to change about vaccines on your watch? And he became more animated than he was in the rest of the interview. And he said, oh, yeah, everything is going to change. So, looks like we're seeing that happening right now. Aaron, thank you so much for coming on the show. Happy to. So who did Kennedy fire? What does it mean practically? Who's upset about it? And what can we expect? Well, we fired, or I should say the people who he's changing, because that's what secretaries of HHS can do.

They're allowed to change folks who are in their department. So the folks that are at issue here are members of what's known as the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, ASIP. It's part of the CDC. What they do is they make recommendations to the CDC director primarily with regards to what vaccine should be on the CDC schedule. and other things related to that. They don't license vaccines. That's the FDA's job. They, after licensure, will choose,

and sometimes not even when it's licensed, like it we saw with co-vaccine, when it's only authorized, will choose to add it to the schedule. But doing that can have serious downstream consequences in particular for the civil and individual rights of people around the country, because when the ASIP recommends that a vaccine be given routinely,

it often results in mandates. And mandates, of course, end up crushing on people's civil and individual rights. So the ASIP is this committee, this CDC vaccine schedule committee. And as you say, it's different from a vaccine approval. But in practice, I don't know that it really is. One of the first things that got me wondering if these vaccines were great and if we should be pumping our kids full of them at, you know, three days old or something, is the fact that when I take my kids to a medical office, I can get all kinds of services there. I can have them undergo all kinds of tests or not have certain tests or whatever.

but the one mandatory thing at the vast majority of these medical offices is that you have to stick to the CDC vaccine schedule, which has many, many more vaccines on it than it did even when I was a kid. You have to stick to it or you will not be allowed to be part of that medical group. It's really, it feels like I'm talking to the mafia or something. And to find, if you want to even just space out the vaccines, you got to go search in in the hills of Palukaville to find a medical office that will take you. So how did this committee get all this power? Excema is unpredictable. But you can flare less with ebbglis.

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Ask your doctor about Ebglis. And visit Epglus.com or call 1800 LilyRX or 1-800 545-9759.9. Well, I guess it all started in 1986. You were right, by the way, when you were younger, you didn't get as many vaccines because in 1986, there were only three shots, three injections that the CDC recommended in the entire first year of life, three by age one. Today, the CDC schedule has 29 injections by day, by the first year, end of the first year life.

And to your question, how have that happen? Because something changed in 1986. and it's very important, something called the National Child to Vaccine Injury Act. What this law did is it gave pharmaceutical companies immunity for liability for the injuries caused by their vaccine products, which means no matter how many children their vaccine products kill, maim, injure, they never, ever can get sued for making that they didn't make their vaccine safer. You know what other product has that immunity in America?

None. Literally none, not a single other product. not planes, not cars, not guns, not drugs, nothing, just as the product they tell you is safe. So imagine if you have an industry that for 40 years has had no pushback, no class action lawyers, my firm has 40 people that do class action work. We sue companies all the time for, you name me, data breaches, product defect claims, but not this product, okay? So you don't get pushback because when you think about it, people that make cars,

they do a great job of promoting them. How do you read about an issue about a car? There's a class action lawsuit. There's a settlement. Or there's maybe regulators doing their job. But when it comes to vaccines, there's been nobody standing in the way here. Not the class action lawyers, not the product liability lawyers. They're totally neutered.

And as for the regulators, they're completely conflicted. And that's 40 years of inroads by farmer. That's not a conspiracy. That's just very good business. Because that's what company is supposed to do, make a lot of money. And here, your child's body is the commodity. And the more that they can get into your kid, the more money they can make. and they have for the most part over the last 40 years,

essentially, this ASEP committee has these working groups, and the work groups are really run by pharma insiders for the most part. And then when they finally get to ASEP, it's pretty much rubber stamp. I've been to a lot of these committee hearings, and I can tell you this, our firm is, we do the class actions, we also have 40 people that just do vaccine work, okay? When we go into court, okay, I don't have an MPA or an MD or any kind of fancy title,

I can't appeal to my credentials. I have to prove every single thing I say about vaccines with solid evidence, like that will stand up in court, okay? And so the lawyers of my firm, me, this is what we know. This is our stock and trade. When I sit at ASAT meetings, these folks is often really don't even know some of the basics around vaccinology, which is shocking to me. And a lot of their decisions are driven by dogma.

We need people sitting on that committee who have first the best interest, of children in mind, really understand the underlying science, and are going to make objective decisions about what vaccines to recommend, not recommend, and they should always, to your point, be a recommendation, not be coerced, which doctors, as you know, for a number of reasons, when you get into a medical office, they will be coercing you often, not trying to persuade you in the merits. Okay, well, then on that point, so he's going to swap out all the people who were advocating for this rigid, robust vaccine schedule and aggressive vaccine schedule. So presumably he's

going to replace them with people who are going to be a little more lax and circumspect about it. But then, one, what changes do you think we can see or expect to see to the vaccine schedule? And then, two, on your point of coercion, could we even see a scenario where the CDC tells medical offices, hey, you don't need to rigidly enforce this vaccine schedule. These are recommendations from the CDC. So, you know, basically lighten up on parents who want to spread it out. Well, pediatric offices are a business. Okay, let's not forget that.

And they make money, they want to make money. When you talk about taking your child in at two months, four months, six months, 12 months, 18 months, what are those visits? Those are vaccine visits. That's really what's going on. That's why the whole vaccine schedule is the same thing as the appointment schedule for your baby and your young child. There are vaccine visits.

If they're not giving vaccines of the visits, how are they making money? They're not making money. Okay. So, yes, ASIP can change its recommendations, but right now the financial incentive for these pediatric offices is to give you. And there's even some insurance plans that actually penalize pediatricians who don't get to a high enough immunization rate within their practice. So if they get 100% of kids fully immunized in their practice, they will get more money per child than if they have a lesser percentage. That's not true universally, but it happens. And that obviously has a perverse

incentive. But the excuse that comes out from the medical office is, well, we're just following the CDC's recommendations. So let's, one, actually, I'd like your opinion on this. If, as you say, now, it's 29 vaccinations or thereabouts in the first year of life, will, will that number decrease, do you expect? And two, once the CDC says, hey, look, the full schedule is, whatever, 20, 15, 10 vaccinations, then will the insurance companies and the pediatric offices have the ability to say, no, actually, you need to get more, or no, will they have to defer to the CDC? In other words, now that we have control of the government, can we wield the government to bring these offices and the insurance companies into line?

What the private insurers might do and what the AAP might do, because remember, ASIP is one body and they're going to make a recommendation for a CDC schedule. The American Academy of Pediatrics, which is really a trade association, that is what? It looks out for the interest of its members, pediatricians. It's not going to want to change its schedule. So you might end up with two schedules. You might end up with one from the CDC. one for the eight, the American Cat in Pediatrics, potentially, by the way.

And who will the pediatricians follow? I don't know. But I will tell you what I do think should happen immediately. At the very least, every single vaccine that doesn't stop transmission, at the least, those vaccines, pertussis, tetanus, the polio vaccine that we used for the last 25 years, which do not stop transmission in any way, just like COVID vaccine. And that's not me saying it, I'm just a lawyer. It's all in the literature.

It's in the CDC FDA website, okay? those should immediately made joint decision-making between the doctor and the patient. They're no different than heart medicine. They're no different than other things. Maybe we want people to get them. Maybe we don't. But they should never be coerced. And the way they get coerce is because they're considered quote-unquote routine.

So that should immediately be changed. And that constitutes most of the mandated vaccines in America, actually, for children, the ones that I just listed. So that should happen in day one. Just like Secretary Kennedy did the other day, by making the COVID vaccine joint. decision making. He didn't take it off the schedule. He didn't say it's not on the CDC schedule. He just said, we're going to make it so that this product is one where you should talk to your trusted healthcare professional and make a decision together. You know, freedom. Okay. So you've said

that's what should happen. And I think that it's going to make sense to a lot of people. Before I let you go here in just our last few seconds, do you expect that that will happen or do you not want to take out your crystal ball? Well, look, why don't we have me back on and after I see who the 17 members are and her their additional, and then we can give you my speculation. Fair enough. But knowing Bobby Kennedy, are you hopeful? I am hopeful, but obviously Mr. Kennedy, excuse me, Secretary Kennedy, you know, is not the ultimate authority in the federal government. And so will he get all the picks that he wants? We'll see. Good point. Aaron Siri, thank you so much for coming on the show. Really appreciate it. And thank you to all of you,

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