The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1809 - Train Stabbing Of 23-Year-Old Ukrainian Woman Explained

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

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then a 34-year-old guy, DeCarlos, something or other, walks up, sits behind her, then out of the blue. Well, we have the footage. So she's sitting there scrolling. He just gets up. We're going to cut it, obviously, before we're not actually going to show her being murdered. He just gets up out of nowhere, just stabs her in the neck. Then he walks around the train dripping blood everywhere. And the other riders on the train, they clearly don't even know what's going on.

I don't even think this was an example of cowardice. I think this is just, they didn't know what was going on until they started to see the blood trailing behind him. Really, really horrifying. So we should pray for the woman and her family. And we should pray for our political order that we start to act in a normal and sane way again. We start to, I'm not even going to say recognize patterns of crime that everyone recognizes them, that we start to do something about it again, the way that we used to. Here's a pattern.

When a guy is arrested, what is. that 14 times? Is that 14 times I'm seeing? For what? For robbery and larceny with robbery with a dangerous weapon for communicating threats. This is all court records according to the New York Post. And on and on and on, going back to 2011, when a guy is just constantly a menace to society for 14 years. Maybe you keep him out of society. That's what we used to do. We used to just execute criminals. After a while, we just kind of got sick of dealing with them and we would execute them. Then we more or less abolished capital punishment. We greatly reduced it. And we turned this to life sentences for serious crimes or for series of crimes. And then we let people out early. And now,

now you have at least one major political party calling to abolish the police and empty the prisons and calling for compassion for the stabbers. This was, this is what Mayor V. Liles had to say. Mayor of Charlotte. She said, look, the transit system in Charlotte is, quote, by and large, safe. Hey, listen, the silver lining here is most people don't get stabbed by random criminals on the, most people don't. I mean, look, you're taking a little bit of a risk, but most people don't. And then she says this, we will never arrest our way out of issues such as homelessness and mental health. Mental health disease is just that. A disease like any other that needs to be treated with the same compassion, diligence, and commitment as cancer or heart disease.

Good freaking grief, lady. We will never arrest our way out of issues such as homelessness and mental health. said Contra, yes, you will. Yes, you will. That's how you work your way out of that issue. When you have a bunch of crazy criminals stabbing people on the street, the way that you stop that problem is you take them all and you put them in a box. And then they don't stab you anymore because they're in a box. They're locked up. They can't do it. They don't have access to knives. At most, they're going to make a little prison shiv out of a piece of plastic and stab each other, which is bad enough, but they won't be stabbing us. That's how you fix the process.

problem. You're never going to arrest your way out of crime. What's your solution? Because as far as politicians go, that's the only way to fix crime. Families have other resources. They can raise their kids right. They can model good marriages. They can educate their kids. Pastors and priests can inculcate a moral education and encourage availing oneself of the sacraments. and point one toward heaven, and those are resources available to priests and pastors. Psychologists can go through behavioral therapy and maybe even prescribe medicines. But in terms of politicians, that's what this mayor is. She's a politician. In terms of politicians, the only thing they can do to try to ameliorate crime is to arrest people.

That's the resource available to them. That's their competency. But these people are incompetent. They refuse to do their job. And they say, well, there's nothing we can do. Okay, so her answer is, more young Ukrainian girls bad to get stabbed by the DeCarlases of the world. That's her answer. Because, you see, mental health disease is just that. A disease like any other, like cancer or heart disease. Okay, so there are mental illnesses and diseases.

But I don't think it's just that. You know, I don't think it's exactly like cancer or heart disease. This reminds me, the whole thing is a Norm MacDonald bit. The whole thing, it's funny because I was talking about Norm last week when I was on Tucker's show. And this is a Norm MacDonald bit. You know, my greatest fear, says Norm, is that a jihadi will blow up a dirty bomb killing tens of millions of people because then the blowback against peaceful Muslims would be just terrible. That's what she's saying.

The worst part of this stabbing is how much prejudice this is going to bring upon the stabbers. There was another norm bit where he said, you know, my uncle, he's going. He's got alcoholism, which is a disease. And it's like, yeah, it's a disease. I grant it's a disease. But if you're going to have a disease, I think that's the best one. Because unlike cancer or heart disease that cause you to go through all these horrible therapies and debilitate you and cause you to play.

The disease of alcoholism causes you to be happy and have sex with people. Not to minimize it, but it's not just a disease. Okay. When a vagrant criminal on the street goes about staffing, stabbing people. Yes, he might have some pre-existing medical issues. He's also probably engaged in a fair amount of vice over his life. He's probably also been pretty irresponsible. He's probably developed habits through the use of his even weakened free will that have made the condition worse. Generally, he's not totally guiltless. And our society is not guiltless. The mayor and the DAs and

the judges who won't lock these people up, they have blood on their hands. Simple as. Simple as that. Your one job is to establish order and protect people's rights. That's a politician's job. Politicians job. Everyone wants to do someone else's job. You ever notice that? Everyone, no matter what your job is, you always want to do something else. This is true. You know, the actor always wants to be a musician. The accountant always wants to be a movie star. And these politicians, I don't know what they want to be. These politicians want to be self-help gurus. These politicians want to be pastors. These politicians want... No, you're a politician.

Your job is to arrest the bad guys and enforce the freaking law. But you won't do it. You won't do it because that involves moral clarity. It involves some courage. It involves taking responsibility. They're not going to do any of that. So prepare for more stabbings in Charlotte, sorry to say. This is the same energy.

This kind of won't somebody please think about the stabbers. This is the same energy you're seeing in the liberal pushback to President Trump's attack last week on the Venezuelan foreign terrorist organization, Trend De Aragua drug boat. Remember that? There was a boat coming over from an officially designated foreign terrorist organization carrying fentanyl, fentanyl, which kills 75,000 Americans a year. Trump uses the military to blow up the boat. And what's the first reaction of the liberals? They say, won't somebody please think of the cartel member fentanyl dealers?

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You'll also get free gifts throughout the year. Everydaydose.com slash nolls, 45% off your first order. So the vice president, J.D. Vance, aptly posts on Twitter. He says, killing cartel members who poison our fellow citizens is the highest and best use of our military. Yup, totally true, spot on. Brian Krasenstein, a liberal account responds, killing the citizens of another nation who are civilians without any due process is called a war crime. that none of that is true but whatever but the vice president doesn't even he doesn't even say that's not true and here's why he just his response actually I think has stronger energy to it he says

I don't give an SHIT what you call it and you know I don't like going blue I don't like in public life I don't like going blue I don't like using naughty language this is a family show so I you know I wouldn't say it in those exact words but that sentiment is one 100% exactly right. This is the way to respond to the libs. We have power. We Republicans have a power at other times in my life. What is different about this moment is Republicans are actually wielding the power. We're not afraid, based on some stupid ideology, a misbegotten conception of principles or whatever. We're not afraid to wield the power in a proper way, the power that the people have given us. And when the libs throw up all of the

all of these ridiculous arguments against it. Actually, you're not allowed to kill terrorists who are trying to poison you. Actually, actually, you know, that's a war crime. What do you know it is? And what are you talking about? The proper response, the temptation for Republicans is going to be saying, no, actually, here is why, according to international law and according to U.S. Code, Section 18, verse, this is actually why it's not technically that.

But I think JD's got the stronger energy here. He goes, I don't give an SHIT what you call it. We're doing it. Cry more over the Trende Aragua Fent runners. You know, I'm on the side of the fent victims. I'm on the side of their victims. You're on the side of the cartel criminals. Okay, cry about it.

That's fine. Go to their funerals down in Mexico or whatever. That's fine. Venezuela. I'm going to be here with my constituents, protecting my people, doing my job. Because I at least will do my job as a politician, even if you people won't. This is the right attitude. It's not just the left liberals, though, who are attacking.

Jack for this response. This is where, you know, I love my libertarian friends. Some of my best friends are libertarians, but I'm not a libertarian. And this is where the libertarians, they start to lose me a little bit. Rand Paul, whom I like very, very much, but Rand Paul, he responds, he says this. J.D., I don't give an S-H-I-T vans saying people, killing people, he accuses of a crime is the highest and best use of the military. Did he ever read to kill a mockingbird? Did he ever wonder what might happen if the accused were immediately executed without trial or representation?

What a despicable and thoughtless sentiment it is to glorify killing someone without a trial. That ain't it, man. You don't... When we're at war, we don't have jury trials before we kill the enemy. When we are executing terrorists, even if we're not in a full-on war, when we're conducting military operations to kill terrorists who are killing our people and who are trying to kill our people, we don't give them jury trials. Al-Qaeda's not entitled to a jury trial. Trenda-Rog was not entitled to a jury trial. A uniformed combatant in a fully declared war as if this were the 19th century, those guys aren't entitled to jury trials either.

Sometimes we just use force to rigorously defend our interests. after having made reasoned arguments for doing so. After having held elections on these kinds of issues, people voted. The popular vote in November went to President Trump doing stuff like this, securing our border, stopping the mass fentanyl poisoning. It was right there toward the top of the list of things people voted for. Do you think to kill a mockingbird is going to convince people otherwise? This is something else.

Again, I don't want to beat up too much on Rand Paul because I really like Paul. But this is something the libs do this too. They say, you know, this is just like Harry Potter. Huh, we need to, you need to watch Star Wars again or something. They always use these like really popular children's books and movies to make their moral arguments. And to kill a mockingbird, it's fine. It's like a fine book to read in sixth grade. It ain't war and peace. You know, it's not Anna Karenina. It's not E. Pramesey. It's a fine little book to read in sixth grade, I guess. Okay. It's not the arbiter of morality or statecraft. I don't, what is, is, I don't, Rand Paul is an intelligent guy. I don't think he's arguing that we need to put cartel members who

smuggle fentanyl into the United States to kill 100,000 Americans per year, 75 to 100,000 Americans per year, that we need to give them all jury trials in Venezuela. He's not really arguing that. So that line doesn't make any sense. Glorifying killing someone without a trial, it's good to kill people without a trial sometimes. Sometimes when they're trying to kill you, or in the case of Trendi, Aragwa, when they are killing you by the bushel basket every year.

Yeah, I think it is good to kill those people with that. It's good to kill them as quickly as possible. That is, if that is not a just war, we talk a lot about just war in Ukraine, in Israel, Palestine. I've spoken ad nauseum about justice in going to war, justice in the conduct of war, as we've talked a lot about that. If stopping with lethal force, a officially designated foreign terrorist organization that is killing 75,000 to 100,000 of your citizens per year, if that isn't a just war, I don't know what is. I don't know what is. Speaking of life and death, a really dumb article that I have to share.

with you. You might have seen it. It was making the rounds. This is from futurism, and it's so, people are so interested now in ancient civilizations and aliens and the, I don't know, megaliths. So I've interviewed Timothy Albarino. We've had a couple of great Michael Land episodes, which you can watch at the Michael Null's YouTube channel. But one of the ideas that keeps popping up is that the way the earth began, the way life on earth began, is some ancient aliens. came here from planet Zebulon 7, and they're the ones who planted the seeds of life for the earth. I'm sure you've heard these theories before.

Well, futurism has a report out says, paper finds Earth may have been terraformed by advanced extraterrestrials. This is the idea of the Earth being founded by aliens. Okay. Robert Andres, who is a biologist, a systems biologist at Imperial College London, According to the article, he concluded that, quote, a purely random soup made up of molecules that eventually enabled the formation of life on Earth was too lossy and that some form of prebiotic informational structure must precede Darwinian evolution. This part is really interesting. What's he talking about the soup? You might have studied this when you were reading to kill a mockingbird.

You might have studied this in sixth or seventh grade in biology class. This is a question. How did life begin? Now, I have an account of how life began. I think that God formed man out of the dust, and he breathed life into him, and then he took one of his ribs and made woman because it's not fit for man to be alone because man's a social creature. And that's how I think life began. I also think that's figurative. I don't think that explains literally every single detail of how it began, but that's my account of how life began.

That's the traditional Christian account. It doesn't, not literal. It doesn't have to be literal. but that's nevertheless truthfully what happened. The modern people and the liberal people and the secular people and the atheist people, they can't handle that. So they say, no, no, I can't be the case. There can't be a creator of life.

Okay, so then how was life created? Well, the only other option is life would have had to create itself. How do you create yourself? Well, this is where we get the theory of abiogenesis or spontaneous generation. The notion that you go from inanimate matter to animate life, to animate just means alive. You go from inanimate, just like an actual clump of cells, or just a clump of molecules even, to things moving around and having life. And how does that happen? I don't know. But it did. The theory says that there was some primordial soup of molecules many zillions of years ago and that they were all banging around each other. And at some point that that formed, that form. a process similar to metabolism. Or at some point all the molecules banged around and that formed something similar to RNA. Or at some point, we don't quite know. It's like step A, soupy molecules.

Step B, big question mark. Step three, us talking about it now while we're alive. And step B, they don't quite understand. But the theory is not just modern. There is a theory, a version of the theory that goes all the way back to Aristotle. Actually goes back before Aristotle. I think of what is it? Anaxamander. Anaxamander, this would have been in the 6th century, 5th or 6th century BC, this theory of just spontaneous generation. So a way to understand it is this idea, which existed for many centuries, that maggots come from garbage or maggots come from decaying flesh. You have flesh, it decays, and then maggots spring up from that. Now, what really happens is that flies land there and they leave their little maggotty eggs,

and then the maggots develop. But it looks like they're coming out of the trash or out of a decaying flesh. Okay, that Aristotle bought into that, that went through the Middle Ages. Then it kind of fell out of favor. But now it's back in favor. Because there's no other way to explain how life begins.

Either there is a god, our creator who endows us with certain unalienable rights, or life springs out of, inanimate stuff. There's zero proof. There's zero proof that that has ever happened. That's a much greater leap of faith than saying that there's a God who formed you out of clay and breathed into your nostrils. Or there's the third option, which is what the technogenius futurists are trying to push now. And the third options is it was aliens. It's not, no, it can't forget about God and forget about abiogenesis. It was aliens. But the problem is, the aliens don't answer the

question. Well, no, look, life on Earth could, it's just, the math doesn't work out. They could not have just spontaneously generated. And we certainly don't believe in a God anymore. I mean, that's totally crazy. And so, it had to be aliens. So, quick follow-up question. Who made the aliens?

You dummies? It doesn't, it obviously just pushes the question back. One state, well, the aliens made us. Okay. Well, who made the aliens? And then you're left with these two options. God? or they just kind of appeared one day.

God or soup? Who made you? God or soup? It's amazing. There will not be a definitive resolution in the minds of most people because we've been debating this question since Anaxamander. We've been debating this question since the sixth century. And even intelligent people can be led astray into very, very stupid theories

where they believe that they are the products of aliens or soup or soupy aliens. Speaking of how life begins, I have one of the spookiest, not the soupiest, but one of the spookiest surrogacy stories ever. If you're not already with it, I think it's going to change your view on surrogacy. We'll get to that in one second. First, I want to tell you about Stopbox. Go to stopbox USA.com. Use code Michael. Responsible firearm ownership means balancing two critical needs, keeping your weapons secure from unauthorized access while ensuring that you can reach it quickly in an emergency. Most gun owners face an impossible choice between locking their firearm away safely or keeping it readily accessible. The Stopbox Pro eliminates this dilemma with its innovative mechanical design. This battery-free lockbox uses a patented five-button system that requires no keys, codes, or

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and then light in the beginning of life and then more weapons and that's amazing that's this is really fitting providentially together this is a story in wired magazine i encourage all of you to go read it i think it's behind a paywall so maybe i don't know maybe go maybe go pay for wired i have no financial stake in that also it's 2025 if you don't know how to get around paywalls you're not going to make it i'll try to be brief on what the story says so to set the stage do you know how much is worth in America every year. Do you know how big the industry is? Look, I'm in the cigar industry. I'm in the media industry. You're in whatever industry you're in. The surrogacy industry, it's an industry, first of all. It's not just people kind of helping each other out to make life. It's not,

it's not a charity. It's a five billion dollar a year industry. But whereas I, in my industry, I trade in cigars. I trade in ideas in my political media industry. You trade in whatever your industry is. You trade in construction. You trade. in linens. You trade in whatever you work in. The surrogacy industry trades in babies, trades in human beings. That's the product. It is supported by some of the biggest companies in the world. Over a dozen big tech companies subsidize surrogacy. They tell their women who are working for them. Hey, yeah, put off having kids, put off getting married. Don't worry. We'll give you subsidies. If you freeze your eggs, which is a very painful process, and then hire some Frankenstein

doctor to make you a baby in a laboratory. Don't worry. We'll subsidize that down the line. Just keep working. Don't leave the widget factory. It has created a these new terms. We used to have these terms, mom and dad. You remember that? Now, that's out. The industry gives us the terms intended parents. Those are the people who buy the babies at the baby store. They order the babies. And gestational carriers, which used to, those two things used to be synonymous. It was called mom. But the gestational carriers are the people who sell out there, they rent out their wounds in a kind of hyper-capitalist dystopia to the intended parents who order. to the babies at the baby store. And as a consequence of IVF and surrogacy, practically speaking,

almost always kill most of their kids. Now, even if you're okay in principle with IVF and surrogacy, just a reminder, this is just a little scientific data reminder that it's much more dangerous compared to natural conception, especially for the baby, but also for the, what do they call or gestational carrier, the surrogate mother. Carrying a genetically unrelated baby more than triples the risk of severe and potentially deadly conditions, not just for the baby, also for the woman renting out her womb. So anyway, here's the story, short version of the story. This yuppie, rich couple, woman was a bit older than the man.

She was a little too old to bear kids herself, or at least would have been a little risky. So anyway, they go to the baby store. They order twiblings, twiblings, not twins. because it's really risky to implant twins in the surrogate, the gestational carrier. So they order twiblings and they're going to go, they're going to hire one surrogate for one kid and one for another. What's a twibling? They're kind of genetically twins, but they'll be born a few weeks apart. They won't be born at exactly the same time because they have different surrogate mothers.

The surrogate who took on this contract was going to be given $45,000. Now, where she was located, it was actually illegal to rent your womb out and to trade in human beings. So the way they get around the law is it was supposed to be a $45,000 reimbursement. So it's just a way organized crime has gotten around laws for all of history. The way that even white-collar criminals have gotten around. It's a $45,000 reimbursement. So she rented at her womb reportedly to pay off her student loans. Okay.

It's getting darker and darker. Truly, you know, I say two cheers for capitalism, but this is a capitalist dystopia. If women are now going to college merely to graduate, saddled in debt that they're going to have to pay off for the rest of their lives. They can't get great jobs, so they're going to have to rent out their wombs in order to pay off the debt that they were saddled with to go to the college that they didn't need. Then the surrogate starts bleeding. I'm going to fast forward a little bit. She's got the baby implanted. She starts early bleeding.

She goes to the emergency room. This is pretty scary. If you've ever been pregnant, you've ever had a wife who's pregnant, this is pretty scary. What happens? The intended parent, the woman who rented her womb, sent her at DoorDash Gift card. If my wife, God forbid, started bleeding during pregnancy, I'd rush her to the hospital. I'd be there, I'd be taking care of her, along with the nurses. But in this case, these two women have really no connection

other than a contract, a commercial contract together. So the woman starts bleeding, you know, there's some risk to the child, she's some risk to her life, and the client sends her a DoorDash gift card. Go get yourself a Frappuccino. During the surrogacy, during the pregnancy, the surrogates a new job.

The problem is the new insurance didn't cover surrogens. The old insurance at her old job covered surrogacy, the new one does not. So what's going to happen? They have a contract. She's supposed to deliver this baby, but her new insurance won't cover it. In a normal situation, mom and dad, well, dad just figure out a way to take care of it. Her mom doesn't change her job until the baby is born.

Or dad gets another job. Or in this case, though, all they have is a commercial contract. Is the woman going to terminate the pregnancy now? Well, does she have a right to terminate the pregnancy? Well, does she have a right over her own body? This is an important line. On December 15th is directly from the article. A day on which, By, the woman who rented the womb,

sent the surrogate more than 50 texts about the insurance. Smith, the surrogate, felt liquid between her legs. She was 26 weeks pregnant and afraid her water had broken. The emergency room sent her home telling her it wasn't amniotic fluid. She should have been relieved, but she soon had another text from Bai. One of By's lawyers wanted Smith to sign a few forms. Smith had already signed a power of attorney giving By and Val deGlasius, those are the intended parents,

the ability to make decisions for Leone, the baby inside the womb, even though these very same liberals are telling us that babies inside the womb aren't really human beings and they don't have any rights and they certainly don't deserve any names, but now when it's convenient for them, they say that actually they are human beings

and they do have names, and the same libs who tell us that conservatives who want to ban infanticide are trying to claim control of women's bodies. Now, in this case, these very same liberal type of people are claiming control over a woman's body because they signed a contract. But hold on, I thought slavery was abolished with the 13th Amendment,

if not by the Emancipation Proclamation. Well, when it's convenient, when it's convenient, we can own human beings and we can demand control over their bodies and over women's bodies so long as there's a commercial contract. In fact, the article asks this, were they now asking for control over her body? Now, the new insurance screws up the surrogacy, and now they're going to be on the hook. And so the intended parents who hired the baby company to rent out the womb of the woman, they say, all right, they're going to maybe sue the baby company, but they're going to wait for the baby to be delivered first, and they'll be on the hook for the expenses. Will they or will the surrogate be on the hook for the expenses? In any case, finally, this woman goes to the hospital. She's bleeding again,

emergency C-section. Early, the baby had already died. Very sad. We can pray for the baby. The surrogate almost died, too, from placental rupture. Last thing I'll read you here. By contacted. the baby company, claiming that the surrogate had broken the contract by not informing her about the insurance change on time, not taking her vitamins. Did she take her vitamins on time? We don't know, and not alerting her to the C-section. Our contract specified a well baby that didn't die. She reminded, that's what she bought. She went to the baby store to buy a well-baby that did not die. That's what she paid for. Okay, that's what she hired this slave woman for. And the slave woman didn't gestate the baby well enough, and the baby did die.

And now this woman wants her money back. This woman wants justice. What is justice here? By the mother, the intended mother, the baby purchaser, ordered the escrow to stop paying the surrogate or reimbursing her medical expenses. A few days later, this woman relisted, relistened to the recording of the worst news of her life. She noticed a detail she'd missed. The surrogate had bled 10 days prior to Leon's death.

No one had told her. Now she's ruining the surrogate's life. Surrogate had to quit her job, moved back in with her previous baby daddy. it just gets so. This is what happens when you hire a carpenter to build your new kitchen cabinets. Isn't this? If you've ever owned a home and you've hired someone to do some work on the home, this is, ah, you know, the work, it came in a little bit shoddy, it came in over budget, came in late, and then you start arguing with the carpentry company, the contracting company, and you say, hey, this isn't it, this isn't what I paid for, I want a reimbursement,

I want my old cabinets back. This is what happens. You order a carpentry company, custom handbag. You order a custom handbag and it comes in the wrong color. Or it's a little bit damaged when it comes in. You say, well, I need my money back. I need you to make me a new handbag. But the thing is, babies aren't handbags. Babies aren't kitchen cabinets. Surrogate mothers, women with wombs are not general contractors. We're talking about human beings, proper subjects with rights. that includes the surrogate who's doing a bad thing by renting out her womb, but she's still a human being, she's still entitled to rights, she still has dignity. And we're talking about a baby. A baby, which in the surrogacy industry, in the IVF industry, necessarily is treated as a commodity,

is bandied back and forth, is sent to one woman and then another, is created in a laboratory because people in a capitalist market, hiring companies and bringing in people through voluntary exchange are establishing the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of human life, contrary to human dignity, contrary to what is right. Can't do it. This is surrogacy.

This is IVF. It is completely morally indefensible. There is no good, version of it. It always does this. It's not always as sensationalist in how it goes wrong, but it always does these things. It always commoditizes human people and reduces natural, beautiful family relations to merely commercial contractual endeavors that necessarily turn human beings into commodities to be traded. And we can't have it. It's wrong. Slavery is wrong. That's why we abolished it. Human smuggling is wrong. Human trafficking is wrong.

infanticide is wrong. We haven't totally abolished that yet, but it's all wrong. These human beings are proper subjects. Simple as. I highly encourage you to go read this article. And if you're not already hit to this issue, which is novel, and I know a lot of people have engaged in it and they realize, people don't realize the bioethical implications of surrogacy and IV. I get it. I get it. Don't let the devil keep you down, man. If you've done something wrong, or you know someone who's done something wrong, or your daughter, did something wrong. And you say, well, now I have to defend IVF. I have to defend surrogacy, because I used it myself or my friend used it or my, it's okay. You can just say, I did something wrong. I'm happy for the kid that I have as a result of it, but it's wrong. I now see the bioethical problems with it. I'm not going to let the devil trap me in a system of trying to justify my own sin rather than just admitting, I did it wrong. I ask for forgiveness. We're not going to do it again. That's the way out. Today is a big day at the Daily Wire. Many of you already know Isabel Brown. Soon the entire world will. The Gen Z, Conservative Voice, America has been waiting for.

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2025, four new lines and a limit and welcome and auto pay. See Verizon.com for details. My favorite comment on Friday is from Truth Believer One God. That's a strong name who says, we should end lobbying, and that would take care of many of our problems. It's my favorite comment, not because I agree with it, but because I don't agree with it, and yet it's commonly held. You can't end lobbying because lobbying is a constitutional right. lobbying is part of your First Amendment rights, the right to redress grievances. The right to redress grievances is the right to lobby. So you can't get rid of it.

And you don't really want to get rid of it. You do want to be able to redress grievances with your government. You do want to be able to organize and pressure your government to do things that are in your interest. It'd be good if there maybe were a little more transparency in lobbying. That's one way to reform it. But you can't get rid of it. You wouldn't want to get rid of it. Okay. Speaking of kids, the Phillies went viral over the weekend.

Major League Baseball went viral. It was a Phillies game because some guy hits, I don't know if it was a home run or a foul ball. I wasn't watching the game. I'm not a Phillies fan. But the ball goes into the stands. And some, well, I'll just, I'll just play it. You see it yourself. I guess it's a home run. A field goes into the stands. Everyone's running for the ball. three or four people running for it. A young guy, middle-aged guy gets it, grabs it, gives it to his kid. This is sweet. And then some lunatic lady

with crazy colored hair walks over, starts screaming at the guy because she wanted the ball, and he took the ball. And then he oh no. He points to it. He says it's in his kid's mitt. She starts yelling at the kid.

Oh my goodness. He gives the ball to this woman. He takes the ball of his kids mitt and gives it to this woman. Oh man, that's bad. I don't want to beat up on this father. He's already being beat up nationally and internationally. And you know, you never know, you know what you're going to do in that situation. I like to think I wouldn't have given that lunatic woman back the ball. But you know, you never totally know what you're going to do in that situation. Obviously, just to establish this. If this happens in the future, we don't need to beat up

on the father too much. I'm sure he feels bad enough about it himself. And then the Phillies later came out and they like gave the kids. a bunch of nice stuff, and they had a meet and greed and probably gave him more baseballs. So, okay, whatever. But just as it, obviously, he should not have given the woman the ball.

She was a crazy woman. She needed to be put in her place. And if she was going to make a scene, she should have been ejected from the ballgame. Under no circumstances, should we give these crazy ladies the baseball out of our kids' mitt? Obviously, I'm sure he thinks that now,

so I'm not going to beat up on him too much. But no. she needed to be taught a lesson. This is something in our society we don't do anymore. I see this a lot. Husbands get dog walked around by their wives. I see it all over the place. I travel all over the country.

I see it all the time. Husbands get dog walked by their wives, and it makes both the husband and the wife unhappy. You don't want that situation. No woman wants to be married to a guy that she can just drag around by the collar. And no husband wants to be nagged to death, by his wife. You need to have, you need a loving relationship in which the husband is the husband and the wife is the wife. Now, in this case, these two are not married, obviously. This one, I don't know this

woman's situation, but obviously someone needed to put her in her place. You don't get to be a middle-aged woman and walk up to a sweet little kid at a baseball game and take the baseball out of his mint. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you insane? Are you going to take a lollipop from a little baby too? This woman is cartoonishly villainous in this instance. And she should apologize and she she'd send the ball back to the kid. I'm sure she could do it. I'm sure she could do it. The Phillies obviously have the information for this family. That woman, if she has any dignity, any self-respect, any sense of right and wrong, should mail the ball back to the kid with a lengthy apology letter. That was wrong. Do you know why it was wrong? It wasn't even just wrong because

three or four people are trying to grab the baseball at the game and the dad gets it and he goes back to his kids and hands it to the kid. And she thought that she had her hand on her or she was supposed to get. that's not even why it's wrong. Though whatever, finders, keepers, it's a baseball game, guys. You know, I've been around a lot of baseball games, a lot of foul balls, and finders keepers in terms of who initially grabs the ball. But do you know the next part of it is? Fowl balls and home run balls are four kids. That's really why she's wrong. And I haven't heard a lot of people point that out. That's like what, that's the deep level. It's not just, well, the dad should have protected his sons right to the ball or he got it first even. Or no, no, no.

The reason that it was so, so wrong is foul balls and home run balls at baseball games are four kids. When I was a kid, I loved catching them. It was cool. Now I'm an adult. If I were at a baseball game with my kid, I would catch it, and I would give it to my kid. If I were at a baseball game alone, I would catch it. I'd be really happy to have caught it. And then I'd give it to the nearest kid around me because they're not for me, because I'm an adult.

And that's what they're for. Okay? Because ball games are about having lots of fun with the whole. family, and it's especially for the delight of kids. Disneyland. I mean, now, look, we live in this culture where most of the people at Disneyland are, like, fat 45-year-old childless millennials, you know, eating a turkey leg and hugging Mickey. And that's wrong. It's wrong. You shouldn't be doing that. It's okay to have fun. It's okay to do, but you've got to do it like with your nephew or something, okay? Or your kids or you can't. That stuff's, Disneyland is not for you when you're an adult without

children. The home run ball is. not for you when you're an angry middle-aged woman willing to steal it from a little kid. You know the nature of a thing largely by what it's for. We have lost a sense of what it's for because we've lost a sense that anything is for anything at all. We think that, you know, I mean, that explains a lot of the weird sex stuff. That explains a lot of the social decay and confusion. We just think life is about, you know, tickling ourselves until we get bored enough to just rot. Uh-uh.

You're here to do stuff. Okay. Speaking of people who are not confused about what life is for, the first millennial saint was canonized over the weekend.

This is a Catholic-specific story, but I think it has resonance for everybody, Catholic, non-Catholic, even non-believers alike. So Carlo Akutis is the first millennial saint.

He looks like every other millennial. You know, he played Pokemon and had computers and wore polo shirts and heat, but he lived a life of heroic virtue. And I won't even get into his whole story here. You can go look it out. It's very interesting. Anyway, he's been canonized as saint.

In the church, we believe that anyone in heaven is a saint. But there is a process for a formal canonization so that we can recognize the saints in heaven. We can pray for their intercession, which is an ancient Christian practice consistent throughout 2000 years. I know some people disagree with it, but it goes all the way back to antiquity in the apostolic age. And in any case, it goes back to Bollicarp, actually, you know, praying around the bones of a dead Christian.

Anyway, we don't need to defend the intercession of saints or any of that right now. Just to point out, we have our first millennial saint because there are saints being made every day, because the church goes on and the church advances and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. That's what our Lord promises to his apostles. There was another saint. This guy, Pierre Giorgio Frasati. His cause for sainhood was opened up much earlier.

He was a saint from the early 20th century. He's a great saint for our times too, though, now, because he's like a big gigage. Chad, who used to climb mountains and stuff and smoke pipes, but also was heroically virtuous. I think he was a Third Order Dominican. A real, like, macho kind of guy. These are both great saints for our times. Important to remember that the opportunity for sanctity and virtue is around us all the time. One last point on this, though, is a picture of the family of Carlo Ocudas.

Because this case, he's a millennial. So his family is still alive. His parents and siblings are still alive. They showed up to the canonization mass. It's kind of weird. We canonize people a little faster than we used to in centuries past. So they're there and that's kind of weird. And someone pointed out on Twitter said, it's strange because they look sad. But your kid is being declared a saint by the church. So if you believe this, then this is a, this is, your son is now a very powerful figure in heaven, you know, in the presence of God.

And you should be so happy, right? I don't know if they're, they might just be somber because it's a solemn occasion. But they might be sad. You know, they might be. It's hard to totally read their faces. and they might be sad. And it makes sense that they're sad because they're human. We're human. We're still in this world. And Christianity is not an unreal religion.

It's not an unnatural religion. It doesn't contradict nature. Human nature or physical nature. It grace perfects nature. But it recognizes the fallenness of this world. Christ weeps. It's the shortest verse of the Bible. Jesus wept when his friend died.

Right before he raises his friend from the dead, but he still weeps. And these people can still be said, too. Because if you're a Catholic, or some versions of Protestant, and your baptized young child dies, God forbid, you will be certain. You will feel 100% certain that your child is in heaven in the presence of God, has salvation, is good. You can feel more certain of that than if an adult dies, you know, at the age of 80. So on the one hand, shouldn't you be so happy? Why aren't you just happy, clapy dancing when your kid dies?

Because you miss your kid. Because you miss your kid. Because that's just a fact of the world. And true religion, in my experience, is the kind of religion that makes sense of human nature. It's not the kind of religion that denies human nature. It's not happy, clappy all the time. It's not, you know, putting a forced smile plastered on your face. It's not saccharine.

It's not sentimental. It's real. It speaks to the reality, to the core of human nature. and points a persuasive direction toward overcoming the world. But living within the world, accepting reality and pointing to, not contradicting the natural,

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