The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1816 - Texts From The Charlie Kirk Assassin And His Trans Boyfriend REVEALED

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

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Newly revealed text messages between Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin and the suspect's trans-identifying boyfriend explain a lot about the suspect's state of mind before and after the shooting. In fact, they explain a little bit too much. We will get to how. Then, amid a nationwide crisis of left-wing political violence, a New York judge drops the top two charges against alleged left-wing terrorist Luigi Mangione. Finally, Attorney General Pambandi has concerned. conservative scratching their heads as she promises to crack down on so-called hate speech. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles show. Welcome back to the show. A number of you have been asking about something for the past few days, and I was not able to give an answer

previously, but now I can. You know, I was out in Phoenix yesterday, visiting our friends at TPSA and filling in for Charlie's show. I think Charlie is going to have friends filling in for his show for the foreseeable future because he still has this big radio show and they have to do the show. So the bright side of that is that Charlie had about a hundred billion friends, like real friends. And so there will be people filling in for that. And it was great honor and privilege to be able to do it yesterday. While I was out there, I was able to get some clarity on something that a number of you've asked me about. Charlie and I were scheduled to together on campus at the University of Minneapolis this coming Monday.

And so when Charlie was murdered, my first thought, probably my 15th or 16th thought was, well, I guess the tour is canceled. I guess all of his speaking tour and his friends joining him on the tour and including my speech. And then I thought, well, actually, maybe it's not because I sure know Charlie would not want to back down from anything. And I know TPSA probably wouldn't want to back down. But anyway, I wanted to get guidance from them first. So I spoke yesterday with TPSA, and they 100% want the speaking tour to go on. And I agree with that.

I think that's totally right. The left wants to silence us, and we should not give them the satisfaction. Charlie certainly would not. TPSA will not. And so Charlie's speaking tour will go on. And the first event now will be the event that Charlie and I were supposed to do together at the University of Minneapolis. That will be one day after his memorial service in Phoenix. And if you would like to come to that, you can go to Charlie's website, Americancombacktour.com.

Obviously, we will have very serious security. You should reserve a ticket. You should plan to get there quite early to get in. But Charlie's tour will go on. So that will be the first stop since his assassination. I'm sure there will be more information to come from TPSI on that. But I'll see you in Minneapolis next Monday. Okay, before we get to the new information about the assassin, I want to tell you about Birch Gold.

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shooter's trans-identifying boyfriend, here in the DA's own words. On September 10th, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson, which said, drop what you're doing, look under my keyboard. The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it. Police found a photograph of this note. The following text exchange then took place. After reading the note, the roommate responded, what?

You're joking, right? Robinson, I am still okay, my love, but am stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you. Roommate, you weren't the one who did it, right? Robinson, I am. I am. I'm sorry. roommate. I thought they caught the person. Robinson. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering. Roommate, why? Robinson, why did I do it? Roommate, yeah.

Robinson, I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it. Roommate, how long have you been planning this? Robinson, a bit over a week, I believe. I can get close to it, but there is a squad car parked. right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it. Robinson again, I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. I, D-E-K, if it's had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits, didn't have the ability or time to bring it with. I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find prints. How the F will I explain losing it to my old man? Only thing I left was the

rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how he was engraving bullets? The F in messages are mostly a big meme. If I see Notice Bulge UW on Fox News I might have a stroke all right. I'm going to have to leave it. That really effing from today, I'd say grandpa's

gun does just fine. IDK. I think that was a $2K scope. Wink-wink. Robinson. Robinson, again. Again, delete this exchange.

Again, Robinson, my dad wants photos of the rifle. He says, Grandpa wants to know who has what. The Fed's released a photo of the rifle, and it is very unique. He's calling me, RN, not answering. Robinson, since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard MAGA. Robinson, I'm going to turn myself in willingly. One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff. Again, you are all I worry about love that came from Robinson.

Roommate, I'm much more worried about you. Robinson, don't talk to the media, please. Don't take any interviews or make any comments. If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent. Okay, that's a lot. I wanted to play it in full from the deal. The conclusion that we are supposed to draw from this is that the trans-furry boyfriend roommate

knew nothing about the alleged shooter's plans. I don't believe that. Do you believe that? I don't believe that. We are supposed to draw this conclusion because, from this text exchange, the trans-furry boyfriend roommate I sold my car in Carvana last night Well that's cool

No you don't understand It went perfectly Real offer down to the penny They're picking it up tomorrow Nothing went wrong So what's the problem That is the problem Nothing in my life goes to smoothie

I'm waiting for the catch Maybe there's no catch That's exactly what a catch Would want me to think Wow you need to relax I need to knock on wood Do we have wood? Is this table wood? I think it's lamated

Okay yeah that's good That's close enough Car selling without a catch Sell your car today on Carvana Pick up these mails apply. Says that he didn't know. And he's incredulous. He says, you're joking. It couldn't have been you. But just, just look at the texts. You are joking, right? I am still okay, my love.

Shouldn't be long until I can come home. I'm sorry to involve you. I wanted to keep this secret till I died of old age, followed by all of that. You weren't the one who did it, right? It's, it's, it reads like fiction, but it reads like bad fiction. Not only do I think these people are liars, I think they are bad liars. I think they're not intelligent liars. I think they're very, very unimpressive people in most ways. I am. I am. I'm sorry. I thought they caught the person. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude.

Look, maybe. I want to leave open the person. possibility, maybe this is real. These two people are obviously nuts and engage in all sorts of deviant behaviors and desires and disgusting ideologies. So could be they're obviously total freaks, but I don't believe it. Why? Why? Well, I thought I'd hidden all the evidence, but now I'm just going to lay out every single thing that supposedly happened in excrues. detail with a digital trace. A completely unerasable digital footprint that just coincidentally totally exonerates you

and puts all the blame on me. Even though there is other digital evidence that's come out from the prosecutors that suggests that people had foreknowledge of this. Multiple people had foreknowledge of this attack. Even though there's other digital evidence that suggests that this guy and perhaps his trans furry boyfriend roommate,

were engaged in online communities of people inclined toward left-wing LGBT terror. Even though, even though, even though, no, no, it was just this guy and no one else knew anything about it. I will try to grab my rifle. I don't know what my old man would do. This is bad writing. There are a handful of people in America who might call their father their old man. Not even I. I'm pretty right-wing.

I'm pretty conservative. I'm pretty fuddy-duddy. I own a lot of tweed and bow ties. Even I'm not going to say, Miles, I was talking to my old man today. It just reads like fiction. Just reads like a romantic narrative that they're trying to spin up to cover their tracks. I don't believe that for a second. My grandpa's rifle's pretty unique. It's like the most generic hunting rifle you've ever seen in your entire life. It's pretty unique, but it's my uncle's rifle. I think it was a $2,000 scope. Yeah, maybe, maybe not. I'm only concerned about you.

Delete this exchange. I'm so concerned that this exchange will be discovered. I'm going to lay out every element of the crime in excruciating detail. But make sure no one finds this. I don't buy it. I think that this was cooked up by these two to cover the tracks of the trans furry, gay boyfriend, whatever. And I think there's more to the story than this.

At the very least, though, I think we have to acknowledge. this is a text exchange between these two people. I think we have to acknowledge all of the evidence, the overwhelming amount of evidence, points to at least this guy having committed the crime. The fingerprints and the videos and the pictures and the alleged reported confessions and the everything says it was at least him. So the question is not, in my mind at least, is there a question. Is there a little? good evidence that this guy did it. Seems to me he did it. The question is not, is this guy on the left or the right? Not many conservatives have trans, furry boyfriend roommates. Not many conservatives write catch this fascist. Not many conservatives write weird sexual furry memes on bullets. Not many

right-wingers write Antifa songs from mid-century Italy. But on that point, if the trans furry boyfriend didn't know anything about the shooting, why would the alleged shooter bring up engraving the bullets as something that the transferee boyfriend would know about? He says, you remember those engraved bullets? Hold on, I thought the boyfriend didn't know anything about it. What did he think? You were engraving bullets for your art project?

I don't buy it for a second. I think the boyfriend knew. I think pretty clearly a number of people knew beforehand. So good. Get the guy, prosecute him to the absolute fullest extent of the law, no question. I want to see other prosecutions. I want to see other arrests. I want to see other prosecutions.

I at least have seen more than enough evidence to point to a conspiracy. To point to LGBT crime and terrorism. to point to far left crime and terrorism, I want to see more arrests. Because if with the publicly released information, you can see that, I have to imagine the investigators are seeing that too.

Yeah. Throw the book at this guy. Throw the book at other people too. Okay. Just when you think you have lost every ounce of respect that you had for the establishment media, they somehow managed to degrade themselves even further. Their reaction to this text exchange is nauseating. We'll get to that momentarily.

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asked where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them that we sent you. Here is how ABC News responded to the revelation of the texts between the suspect and his trans furry boyfriend. We have seen an alleged murder with such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it, but also it was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn't expect, a very intimate portrait into this relationship between the substance. suspect's roommate and the suspect himself with him repeatedly calling his roommate who is transitioning, calling him my love and I want to protect you, my love. So it was this duality of someone who the attorney said not only jeopardize the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And in the other hand, he was, you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner. So very interesting, and as Pierre said, riveting press conference, David. What? I think, I can't even do an impression of it. It's so messed up this guy's reaction.

What did he say? He said, you know, the text exchanges, they were really very touching in a way we wouldn't have expected. Really touched my heart. Really made me just go tingle. When I read the exchanges between the terrorist and his freak, tranny, furry sexual partner. Did that make you go tingle? Maybe we got a lot of freaks in this country. This ABC reporter, man, what on earth? That's the kind of thing you find touching and heartwarming. Maybe we need to look into this guy's social media.

If your reaction to that text exchange is anything other than revulsion to the point of vomiting, to the point of potentially losing your lunch, then you have something messed up in your view of eros, in your view of human relations, in your view of love. There's something messed up with you, and you need to get it fixed, because this is revolting.

Completely revolting. Even the thought, even the memory of my feeling when I read that text exchange, is it self-nauseating. You find that delightful? Is that, that's just a regular Romeo and Jewish? Juliet's story for you? Oh, it's so sweet. William and Kate, what's a matter with you? What is a

matter with you? What kind of sick freak are you? That that would be your reaction. It's very touching. And it's so unexpected. Is it unexpected? I don't know. In like most killer horror movies of the last century, isn't the killer often a dranny? Isn't that often the guy? I hate to speak so bluntly, they're probably going to have to cut a lot of this out of YouTube, but it's like Buffalo Bill and Psycho and all. It's Ed Gein. There is a strange association between the transgender identity and sexual debience more broadly and violence.

Isn't there? The last three big violent incidents that we can recall were all tranny's shooting people. Shooting Christians. there was the there was the there was the tranny in nashville who shot up covenant the presbyterian school there was the tranny in minneapolis was it minneapolis i could say there's so many it's like you almost can't even remember it that shot up the catholic school the little kids praying at mass and now this is one step removed i guess this is the gay boyfriend of the tranny furry

roommate. I don't know. It seems like there's some kind of connection between extreme sexual deviance. Trantifa is one of these groups that's come up in this investigation between extreme sexual deviance and violence. It's just so sweet. You know, this, it's just so, it's so touching, isn't it? No, it's so unexpected. No, it's expected. These are the people I expect to do these things. not saying every sexual deviant is going to go commit mass violence, but it does seem that they do so disproportionately, doesn't it? Hollywood has long thought so. Crime reports have long thought so.

So unexpected. You know where this is going. You know the narrative that the establishment media are setting up. The narrative that they're setting up is that these people were engaging in a love that dare not speak its name, and because of the hate promoted by the likes of Charlie Kirk, they had to protect their loves, their communities by murdering the guy.

Because of the hate. What is the hate that was referenced in the text exchanges? The hate is Charlie Kirk going to college campuses and bringing up Matt Walsh's movie, basically? That's the hate. That's the trans hate that they're referring to. Is Charlie Kirk showing up generously, graciously,

with a great deal of charity and saying, hey, can you define what a woman is? Oh, you can't? Well, maybe that shows. that you're a little confused about the relation of men and women, the nature of men and women. And maybe I would encourage you to engage in healthy normal behaviors, or at the very least, to recognize basic reality. That's the hate. That's the hate. Have you ever heard a more hateful thing from Charlie Kirk? Can you name one thing? I don't think so. And then somehow it gets even

stranger, because as referenced in those texts, there was this diversion guy. There was this old man who diverted the attention of law enforcement immediately after the shooting, an old man who claimed to be the shooter and helped the actual shooter get away. And then it turned out that that guy was not the shooter. And now it turns out that guy is a little bit of a sexual deviant too. We'll get to that momentarily. First, I want to tell you about Masa chips. Go to Masa chips.com slash Noles.

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Immediately after the shooting, the police are trying to figure out what's going on, who was involved, and they arrest this old man in a blue shirt. You got cops around this guy. The dragon him eyes said, shoot me, shoot me. He's got his pants around his ankles. So initially, people thought this was the shooter. I thought it was weird because he doesn't look like the kind of guy would have expected to be the shooter.

But that's what everyone thought at first. Then it turns out, all right, you've seen enough. Then it turns out he's not the shooter. He admits to officers that he was just trying to create a distraction so that the real shooter could get away. What? So then this raises another question. Did he know that there was going to be, did he have four knowledge?

Even if he didn't, there were plenty of Charlie's enemies who showed up to these speeches. His first reaction after seeing Charlie Kirk murdered was to create a diversion. That's some pretty quick thinking. That's pretty strange. And then it gets even stranger because he admits to the authorities that he was trying to obstruct justice. So he's got that charge on him that the cops start looking through his phone. And what do they find on his phone? You guessed it. Child sexual abuse material.

So the diversion guy is a peto. The diversion guy was there in the first place, and at the very least thought quickly to make a diversion. To try to let the shooter get away, then the shooter is apprehended anyway, but these texts are discovered between the shooter and the transferey boyfriend that seemed to exonerate the transferey boyfriend. And it would appear to me that the thrust from the messages is this was the only guy involved. And once again, all of the evidence that I'm seeing tells me not to believe that. The discord. The radical left-wing groups. The radical LGBT groups. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but this sexual deviant who was a decoy. Maybe not an intentional decoy, but he ended up acting as a decoy. There is much, much more to this story. than we've learned so far, as I'm sure the investigators know. Okay, on top of this, you have left-wing terrorism in basically its purest form,

terrorism, which is the targeting of civilians to advance political ends. You have the Charlie Kirk assassination, which is terrorism as purely as I can see it. Then this follows the Luigi Mangione left-wing terror. This is a guy who, for ideological reasons, murdered, a health care CEO in New York City. Right in Midtown Manhattan, coincidentally, I was staying a few blocks away when it happened that morning. Murders him for ideological reasons.

This wasn't a crime of passion. It was premeditated. It wasn't because he had a personal grudge against this guy. It was premeditated because he had a grudge against health care workers generally for political, ideological reasons. It was a clear example of left-wing violence cheered on by many people explicitly on the last and a judge yesterday, amid all of this, amid the clearest left-wing terror attack we've faced in our country's history, at least in 60 years, a judge in New York dismisses the top two charges

against Luigi Mangione, the charges relating to terrorism. Dismissed murder in the first degree in furtherance of an act of terrorism. Dismissed murder in the second degree as a crime of terrorism. Manjione still faces a count of second-degree murder. Second-degree murder, what? Could result in 25 years to life, though potentially with parole so he could get off much, much sooner. He's a young man. And there is a separate federal death penalty prosecution, which is always hard. According to the judge, there was no evidence presented of a desire to terrorize the public,

inspire widespread fear, engage in a broader campaign of violence, or to conspire with organized terrorist groups. Here's how the crowd reacted outside the courtroom. So you can see for the people who are only listening right now, you see them wearing Luigi hats from Mario and Luigi. There's a sign in the background invading against fascists, quote-unquote, naming Seb Gorka, who's Trump's counter-terror director and Pam Bondi, the Attorney General.

So it says it would seem to me that the reaction of the crowd is the proof, that the judge made the wrong decision. Because Luigi Mangione's crime obviously has inspired ideological terrorism. The targeting of civilians, you even see two names right there, Pam Bondi and Seb Gorka, civilians in the furtherance of a political agenda. If that's not terrorism, what is? Does anyone seriously think Luigi Mangione killed the healthcare CEO whom he had never met before? who he didn't know from Adam because he just didn't like the cut of his jib?

Does anyone seriously think it was a crime of passion? This obviously premeditated murder? It was terrorism. And the judge in New York says, no, no, it wasn't. And what this furthers is the issue that we've been talking about the past few days. I mentioned it on Charlie's show yesterday. The authorities will not count left-wing terrorism as terrorism. That's how you get these numbers that that Joker, Seth Moore,

Moulton, the Democrat congressman, rushed to CNN to proclaim. He said, three quarters of political extremist violence in America is from the right, not from the left. I said, is that true? It doesn't seem true. BLM killed dozens of people and the transvestites keep shooting everybody and Luigi. And then I even thought, just in my personal experience, Antifa showed up to blow up an event that I spoke at on transgenderism, actually at the University of Pittsburgh, and seriously injured a police officer. There was the trans shooting here in Nashville, and I just looked into some of these events. I realized they didn't count them as left-wing terrorism or left-wing extremism or left-wing anything. They would say, oh, no, it was actually more obstruction of justice. Oh, it was just someone

seeking fame. So that's how you get those numbers. They just don't count them. And you see a repeat of that in the Luigi case. Shameful, shameful behavior from the judge, especially at this moment. real problem for law enforcement, and the federal government needs to do something about it. But speaking of law enforcement from the federal level, amid all of this conversation, amid unity on the right, amid a recognition that the left and not just the fringe left, but the mainstream left, would encourage and celebrate the murder of half of this country, the attorney general raised a lot of eyebrows by going on TV and promising to clamp down on hate speech. There's free speech and then there's hate speech.

And there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie in our society. Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people? so we show them that some action is better than no action. We will absolutely target you, go after you, if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything. And that's across the aisle. I'm not exaggerating when I tell you, with the exception of Pam Bondi, apparently,

there is not one conservative in America who believes that there is a distinction between free speech and hate speech that hate speech needs to be prosecuted by the federal government. There is not one, apparently other than the attorney general. In fact, Charlie quite explicitly mocked and derided the notion of hate speech as some category that we need to prosecute. This is just completely, completely tone deaf.

I don't know, Pambandi. I don't have anything against Pambandi personally. This is crazy. Crazy. And that's for me. I am for limits on speech. Okay. I wrote a book about how the American free speech tradition has been hijacked from the left.

And actually, there are limits on speech. But the limits on speech are not hate speech. What is hate speech? The proper limits on speech are the kind of speech, for instance, that undermines speech, speech like fraud, which undermines trust in speech in the marketplace of ideas. Things like direct threats, which actually discourage speech, which discourage healthy debate, things like obscenity, which appeal to the prurian interest and discourage reasonable discourse, on and on and on. This goes all the way back in American history. Furthermore, the limits

might be set around the axioms upon which healthy debate must rest. Things like the natural law, I don't know. Things like murder is wrong. Things like what C.S. Lewis would call the Dow, what others have called the first principles of practical reason. Basic sorts of things. The example, I think, that comes to mind for a lot of us this week is celebrating the murder of an innocent man and an obviously innocent man for speaking. Because if one is to do that, one would be dramatically reducing the likelihood of healthy discourse in the country. You can't have a business where people go in. and believe that half of the business would encourage their own murder. You can't have hospitals that operate that way. Schools that operate that way. Restaurants that operate that way. It just can't exist. There necessarily are limits on speech.

There's no question about it. It's built into our First Amendment. The framers and the founders understood that. But it's not hate speech. The one thing it's not is quote unquote hate speech. where is this coming from? We will get to the rest of the Attorney General's remarks in a moment first. My favorite comment yesterday is from Druid 4-4-38.

Who says the issue is we now know 45% of the population will cheer and celebrate if 50% of the population were murdered. Yeah. There are many layers to the grief and mourning around Charlie. That's a big part of it for a lot of people. Big part of it for a lot of people is Facebook and the comments that people that people are coworkers are making it the water cooler and the comments the teachers are making in the classroom. The fact that we can't even agree that it's wrong to murder an innocent man for trying to talk it out. The recognition that some of your cousins would murder you would dance on your grave.

That is a surprise to a lot of, to millions of people, actually. I agree. Okay. So Pan Bondi makes these remarks that raise eyebrows all across the country. And then she goes on to explain explain a little bit more about what she means. That's horrific. It's free speech, but you shouldn't be employed anywhere if you're going to say that. And employers, you have an obligation to get rid of people. You need to look at people who are saying horrible things. And they shouldn't be working with you. Businesses cannot discriminate.

If you want to go in and print posters with Charlie's pictures on them for a vigil, you have to let them do that. We can prosecute you for that. I have Harmeet Dillon right now in our civil rights unit looking at that immediately that Office Depot had done that. We're looking at that. Okay, okay. So the first part of what she says is right. Businesses not only can, but really should fire people for celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk.

I totally agree with it. 100%. That's right. But then she goes on. She says, we're going to prosecute or you can sue Office Depot for refusing to print a flyer that, you know, they don't want to print or something. again, this is a little bit murkier because we have just spent years and years defending Jack Phillips who said that he didn't want to participate in so-called gay weddings or transgender transition rituals

by creating custom baked goods to participate in those. And the right has vigorously defended Jack Phillips. He was finally exonerated after 12 years of harassment. There was a distinction here because Phillips said, look, someone who identifies as a homosexual or a transgender or whatever can come into my bakery and purchase anything that they want. And I'm not going to refuse service. And I'm not allowed to refuse service, but I wouldn't want to even if I were. However, what they cannot do is compel me to use my artistic skill to participate in something that I find morally objectionable.

You see the distinction? In the case of Jack Phillips, it's basically you can buy the pre-made cake, but I'm not making you a custom cake to celebrate the thing that I find immoral, and that is immoral, in fact. Here, it's a little less clear. If you're just talking about printing something, you go up to the printer and you print something, it's not clear to me that the federal government

has the right to prosecute or that plaintiffs have the right to sue if Office Depot doesn't want to do that. Maybe, I mean, I'm not like totally, But certainly if it were a client going to a print shop and saying, I need you to design me some kind of poster that I want, that the design shop finds morally objectionable. There, now you're completely undercutting the right-wing argument on religious liberty that we've had for over a decade now. She's really confused.

She's right about employers firing people for celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk. She's right about that. But it's just so imprecise. The whole day was really unhelpful, these sorts of comments. And they've since walked them back. And they said, no, we're not going to go after hate speech. Okay. But it's just tone deaf.

And I don't mean to beat up on the Attorney General too much. It's a tough job. Whatever. We cannot afford to be imprecise right now. We cannot afford to be tone deaf right now. This is a major national trauma with very, very, very clear political lines with very, very high political stakes. And what we do now and what we do tomorrow and the tone that we set and the concrete actions that we begin to take and the arguments

that we make right now matter tremendously. And they are going to shape our political order for decades to come. And we can't be making these kinds of mistakes. So we need to figure it out, get on the same page, be precise, be unified, and move forward together. The toleration that we would have for these kinds of political fumbles, unforced errors that we might have had three weeks ago, four weeks ago, we cannot tolerate those things anymore. Okay. Got to get it together. We need consequences. This is the thing that the Attorney General said that's totally right.

There needs to be consequences from employers as well as. from schools. There's a young man at Texas State who, during a vigil for Charlie Kirk, a memorial service, decided to mock him and his assassination. Focus features in Blumhouse present, Obsession. When I have a crush on a guy, no one knows. Be careful. I wish Nikki love me more than anyone in the entire world.

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Oh my God. For those just listening, he not only mocks Charlie, Charlie's being shot, he climbs up onto a statue at this vigil and mocks it, acts it out up there. I'm very, very pleased to report that Texas State has said that he has been expelled from the school. This from the Texas State President, Dr. Kelly Damphouse, follow up to a message I sent earlier. The university has identified the student in the disturbing video. I will not tolerate behavior that mox trivializes or promotes violence on our campuses. It is antithetical to our Texas state values. Very good.

The individual is no longer a student at Texas state. Federal law prevents the university from commenting further on individual student conduct matters. Okay, good. I'm really glad to see this. And I'm glad to see this explanation. This is really precise. The president says, I will not tolerate behavior that mocks trivializes or promotes violence on our campuses. because universities are supposed to be places for the exchange of ideas, sure, in pursuit of the discovery of truth.

They're not even just places for the exchange of ideas. That's a mistake that some people make, too. That's not primarily what the university is for. That's not ultimately what the university is for. The university is ultimately for the promotion of truth. and one way that we arrive at truth in some universities is the open exchange of ideas. However you think of it, what this student did totally undercuts that. So he's got to go.

From a basic level, if you watch that video for three seconds, you realize that this guy is a savage. This guy has absolutely no business being at a university. It is a national disgrace that a university would have admitted him. something tells me the warning signs were there. Something tells me, this is not exactly a Rhodes Scholar, okay? Something tells me he wasn't valedictorian and president of the student body. This guy is a savage. He is a barbarian.

He can do things in life. There are places for him in society, not polite society, not really public society, but he can do things. There are things for him to do. Going to college is not one of those things. and really anyone who encouraged this kid as a senior in high school to go to a university or college is culpable in my view. It's not for him. Anyone who engages in this kind of behavior should be expelled. They can go do something else in life. Anyone who engages in this kind of

behavior should be fired. Certainly from public-facing businesses, businesses involving education and service and health care. Anyone who engages in this kind of behavior should be deplatformed. There is no hypocrisy here in any way. You'll see some people on the left, very ignorant people on the left, say, well, this is the right

turning on free speech. This is the right changing its tune on free speech. I have not changed my tune on free speech one little bit. And serious people on the right are not changing their tune on free speech one little bit. Free marketplace, all marketplaces require rules and all liberty requires order.

And all society requires responsibility and duties and consequences. There are prominent left-wing streamers. I talked about them yesterday. One guy who calls himself Destiny, his name is Stephen Bunnell, and then another guy, Hassan Piker. These are pretty prominent left-wing streamers who have encouraged violence repeatedly against conservatives. They should be fully de-platformed from social.

media. Fully de-platformed. Stephen Bonnell, I believe was some time ago, de-platformed from Twitch. That's fine. That's a good start. He should be de-platformed from X. He should be de-platformed from meta. He should be de-platformed from Facebook, as should Hassan Piker. They should be fully de-platformed from the public square. They have no business being in the public square. Their presence there undermines the public square and the exchange of ideas. That is not authoritarian. That is not contrary to the American tradition of free speech, that is a defense of the free exchange of ideas. Because their presence there undercuts all of those things. And conservatives need to get with the program and need to pull themselves out of utopian false ideologies and get back to

the reality of politics and the reality of the American tradition and the reality of what free speech has meant for the periods during which our country has flourished. But this is an easy test. This is not pie in the sky. This is not dime store philosophy. Here's an easy test. Are you serious about defending the robust exchange of ideas? Are you serious about political reform in the wake of the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the widespread left-wing celebration of that assassination? Are you serious? Then de-platform Stephen Bonnell from everything. De-platform Hassan Piker from everything. Simple. as. And big tech platforms that will not do that, it seems to me, are quite clearly not serious about it.

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