The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 2038 - EXPOSED: You Were Taxed MILLIONS For Trans Surgery On KIDS

Episode Date: August 14, 2026

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This episode is brought to you by Cardiff, America's favorite small business lender with over 12 billion funded since 2004, applying under three minutes for same-day funding, up to 500,000 at Cardiff.c.c.O. slash Knowles. The Trump administration has uncovered a massive nationwide fraud scheme by which hospitals bilked taxpayers for tens of millions of dollars, specifically to trans the kids. This is as perfect and comprehensive a health care scam as we have ever seen for the woke era. We will be joined by the Assistant Health Secretary whose office issued the report to discuss how to hold the bad guys to account. Then, speaking of holding the bad guys to account, the DOJ arrests the CFO of the Southern Poverty Law Center in what I think is one of the most important acts of either Trump administration, Trump one, Trump one, Trump two. This is what it's about. We will examine the importance of arresting our enemies. And finally, brace yourselves, AOC for the first time, officially leads the past. of 2028 Democrat presidential candidates. You heard it here first, and I'm sorry to say that. I'm Michael Knowles. It's the Michael Knowles show.

Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to the show. Speaking of fraud, there is a massive Chinese marriage fraud ring, also that has been uncovered. And that is bad enough. Immigration fraud is bad enough. You know, people pretending to get married or money to. changing hands in this case hundreds of thousands of dollars, $100,000 per to get these fake marriages to allow Chinese nationals to come to the United States. But it is really compounded in our country because of the abuse of birthright citizenship. So a major, a glaring loophole in our system of national sovereignty. We'll get to all of it first, though. Our sponsor, Kalshi currently has AOC at now she's running neck and neck with Gavin Newsom. As of about an hour ago, she was running ahead

him. This is the first time that AOC is running officially at the top of the presidential race in the prediction market. It's AOC at 22%, Newsom at 17%, Asov at 15, Kamala at 7, Buttigieg at 5, Josh Shapiro at 5. Now, since this news broke, it's evened out a little bit. So AOC and Newsom both tied at 17%, Asov behind them, Kamala Buttigieg, Josh Shapiro. When I say you heard it here first, I mean, you heard on the show when I was interviewing the vice president his prediction or his observation that AOC was leading the pack. And I was kind of shocked. I said, oh, I thought you'd say Newsom or Asoff or one of these people. He said, no, no, she's clearing away the frontrunner. And now the numbers are beginning to reflect that. This after AOC, very publicly films herself

freezing her eggs, which might as well be a presidential announcement. She seems to have broken up with her fiance. So anyway, she's making very significant. moves which are signaling that she wants to run for president. And people are going to laugh it off. I wouldn't laugh it off. Do you remember what everyone was laughing off in 2016? They were laughing off the idea that Donald Trump would get the Republican nomination for president. He's crazy. He's too brash. He's too radical. He's no, there's no way that he could. And then he just kept leading the race. And then he got the nomination. And then do you remember what people laughed off? they laughed off that Donald Trump could beat Hillary Clinton.

And then what happened? He won at least two presidential elections, maybe a third, and defined a decade of American politics. Do not laugh this off. Do you know why AOC is leading the pack right now for the Democrats? Because she represents the Democrat Party better than any of the other candidates. That's why. Yeah, she's really good at the camera. Yeah, she looks better than some of the other candidates.

She definitely looks better on a magazine cover than Josh Shapiro. But the real reason is that she better reflects the Democrat voters. The Democratic Socialists are more popular than the Democrat members of Congress with rank and file mainstream Democrats. That's why Trump did it in 2016. Yes, he was a celebrity. Yes, he's charismatic. Yes, he's entertaining. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

But the reason that he won is that he better represented Republican voters than any of the other candidates. On substantive issues, on issues like trade, on issues like immigration, on issues like foreign policy. Trump was the lone serious candidate in 2016 who said, I oppose endless foreign wars in the Middle East. And the voters rewarded him for that. Well, look at AOC. Gavin Newsom doesn't know what he believes. One day he's a radical leftist. The next day, he's the moderate guy paling around with Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk.

He doesn't know what he is. He's nothing. Josh Shapiro, he wants to run as the moderate, sensible kind of figure. Rom Emanuel, the same thing. But AOC is the socialist. She's the radical leftist. And guess what? The Democrat Party is radically left. The one thing going against her right now is that Democrats got burned the last two times they ran a woman. And compounding that, the last presidential candidate the Democrats had was a woman of color. So that could work against AOC. Maybe the Dems realize, all right, we got to run a guy. Let's just run a straight white guy. Ran Hillary, lost with Hillary, so they run Joe Biden, and he wins. And then they had Kamala Harris. And so that's the one thing working against her. Everything else is working in her favor. What about a the Republican side. Got to say here, you know, I've been arguing with my pal Ben Shapiro for over 10

years now, especially when it comes to Republican politics. I think now your predictions are wrong. Now your read on Trump is wrong. Now your read on the race is wrong. Ben said something on his show, or no, he actually said it on the PBD show a couple days ago. I think dead right about the dynamics in the GOP primary. You buy any of those stories that Rubio may not even run? Yes. You believe that. Yes. Why do you believe that? So if you're, if you're Marco and you're looking at sort of the gaming out what the next few years look like for you, here are your choices.

You run against JD. You lose. You're done. You run against JD. You win. It's a rough election cycle anyway because the president's riding in the 30s and the country is in the mood for, quote, unquote, something new. And you lose. You're done.

You don't run. JD may pick you as his VP candidate. JD loses. You're next. JD does not pick you and JD loses. you're also next. So if you're sort of doing a prisoner's dilemma here, you know, a game theory prisoner's dilemma, I think that the prisoner's dilemma suggests that Rubio will probably not run out of risk aversion. Spot on 100%. This is where, you know, when I disagree

with Ben on some political things, often it's because he says facts don't care about your feelings. And I think politics exclusively cares about your feelings. He's right about the facts. I just think politics involves a lot more pathos. But in this case, when you're talking about a cold political will the Secretary of State run in a primary against J.D. Vance, who seems like he's the heir apparent. This is where Ben being just like ruthlessly rational about politics really plays well. This is where I think it's really helpful. And so I actually hadn't heard anyone put it in that clinical way. But yes, of course, that makes sense. If I'm Rubio, one, I have, the one additional factor that Ben didn't mention, but is obviously a play, is that Trump is probably just going to

pick the nominee. So it's really, you're not. You're not running to convince all the Democrat primary voters, all the Republican primary voters. You're running to convince Trump because he still has a stranglehold over the GOP. He is still the guy. He took over the party in 16. He runs the party today. The party is about him. So you're running to persuade him.

And Trump obviously seems to adore Marco Rubio, but it looks like his heir apparent is JD Vance. I mean, I think that was implicit in picking vans to be the running mate. Nevertheless, you look at it and you just gameed out, you say, okay, well, if you run against JD and you lose, yes, you're done. if you run against JD and you win, you're going to have a very tough election cycle, especially depending on Trump's involvement in that race. And you might lose, and then you're done. Whereas if you're not the top of the ticket,

I mean, Marco Rubio is a young guy these days, you know, you have to be like 83 to start running for president. If you look ahead and you say, okay, well, he could have a real long career ahead of him. It's not even just a new thing. Don't forget, Ronald Reagan was running. He ran for president in 1976. he almost ran for president even earlier than that.

He's like sort of ran for president earlier than that. He did it a long time. It took Bob Dole a long time before he got to be the GOP nominee. It took George H.W. Bush a long time before he got to be president. Took Mitt Romney a number of runs. So, yeah, I think Ben is totally right about that. I think you're seeing a lot of unity on the right. And you're beginning to see the Democrats coalescing.

Because even though you hear about the split between the DSA and the moderate Democrats, they basically agree on everything. The difference is more tonal than anything else. And the DSA won, the leftists won, the radicals won in the Democrat Party. We used to say the Democrats are all progressives except for Joe Manchin. Well, Joe Manchin is out. Hirsten Sinema's out. The last guy left, I guess, is sort of John Federman. But the rest, they all agree. So you're seeing the shape of this race really taking form right now, which is about the time in the cycle you would. So that means The fact that we're looking ahead to 2020, means time is running out in the second Trump term.

And we have to ask, okay, what can we do now? Everything is so against us. Joe Biden was letting three million illegals in a year. The courts are against us. One of every 700, you know, the 700-person group of district judges is trying to impede the entire executive branch anytime the President of the United States wants to do anything.

So everything gets gumbed up in the works. What can we do? Yes, increase the deportations. Do your best increase the deportations? deportations, do your best to enshrine the executive orders into law, that's not going to happen. Capitol Hill doesn't really work. Okay, what can you do? Well, the one thing that we can do institutionally, is not just reveal the fraud, not just reveal the ways in which the left has unjustly acquired power and abused power. We need to hold people accountable. You need to prosecute people. The left knows that.

The left tried to prosecute Trump four times to stop him from becoming president again, to stop people from having the opportunity to vote for them. We need to hold people to account. There are great hearings on Capitol Hill where we get to grill these guys who have abused power, like guys like Fauci, people in corporate America, leaders of nonprofit groups, which are really activist groups. And we get to grill them. We say, you're so terrible. But the congressmen aren't going to prosecute anybody. That has to go to the DOJ. Well, we just got some great news on this. The DOJ has arrested the chief financial officer of the Southern Poverty Law Center, one of probably the most powerful left-wing activist organization in the United States.

We didn't just expose their fraud. We didn't just reveal their absurd operations to essentially fund all of the racism, all of the bigotry, all of the radical right-wing activity that they were supposedly fighting against. Not only did we expose that, now their executives are being put in handcuffs. We'll get to what that means in a second. First, though, I want to, speaking of funds, I want to tell you about Ave Maria Mutual Funds. Go to Ave MariaFunds.com slash Michael, M-I-C-H-A-E-L. People think very carefully about where they spend their money, where they shop, what companies they support,

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fighting against hate. They had their famous hate watch blog. Every right winger in public life worth of assault has ended up in some scrutiny on the hate watch blog. I mean, they called Charlie Kirk a radical right winger. I mean, they go after everybody and they try to pressure you to be ostracized from society. They try to dry up your funding. They try to get the government to look into you. I mean, they were working with Biden's DOJ and FBI to target right-wingers, to target Catholics in particular. I mean, this is a horrific group. And what it turned out was that the SPLC was not only identifying the radical right-wing groups, they were funding the most radical ones. There was a dearth of supply of racism and bigotry and radicalism. This demand outstrip the supply.

So what did they do? They funded the clan. And they didn't just fund it a little bit. They weren't just putting some moles. They were funding like the leaders of these organizations. So what that amounts to is fraud. They were defrauding their donors. They were.

So anyway, the prosecutors say that the CFO, who before she was CFO, led the SPL, the state groups tracking section, the part of the SPLC that's most under scrutiny, she was among several individuals who oversaw payments to individuals who infiltrated white supremacist groups and acted as informants for the SPLC. But back in April, the SPLC was charged as an organization like the mob, like the Klan,

with bank fraud and money laundering, offenses related to its payments of informants to infiltrate the hate groups. The superseding indictment, as according to Fox News, alleges that one of the individuals that the CFO approved payments for was an imperial wizard

in the Ku Klux Klan. So these guys, the SPLC, which was partnering up with the government, which is colluding with organizations funded by your taxpayer dollars, was conspiring with them to target the American right based on

an illusion that they themselves had created and were funding. They weren't just funding a mole to sneak into a clan meeting. They were funding the imperial wizard. if not for groups like the SPLC and the government agencies that they work with, I'm not sure that any of these groups would exist. So not only did the CFO approve payments for the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The CFO also had a romantic relationship with a separate person

that the SPLC had paid over a million dollars to since 2007. She shared a bank account with this person for six years between 2015 and 2021, approximately 140 grand in SPLC donors' money float into it. So I hate the SPLC. It's a horrible organization. It's on par with the mafia and the Ku Klux Klan. It's just absolutely awful. It should be destroyed. SPLC Delenda Est and the government should bring the full weight of the state down to destroy it. I think the people who donate to the SPLC are really bad for American politics. However, most charitable read in their defense, there are a lot of well-meaning people who are donating to the SPLC because they want to stop hatred.

They want to stop radicalism. They want to stop racism. They want to stop all this bad stuff. They were defrauded. Beyond the political dynamic of the SPLC is like an enemy of the American people, beyond the political read on it, they have just simply committed a lot of crimes. They've defrauded their donors, among other crimes. They need to be held to account for that. This is the way. I know that some of the more libertarian and neocani types are going to hate this because they hate when Republicans wield power in any way. But the law is a teacher, and we have to hold people to account. I love a good Capitol Hill grilling as much as the next guy. I like it that the congressmen get clips for their re-election campaigns, and we get to embarrass Dr. Fauci and all the

rest. But where we can, and there are limited circumstances, we have to put people into prison. That is the only way that we will discourage and hopefully stop this radical left-wing behavior. And the clock is running out. The clock is running out where you're an half into the second Trump administration, but we're talking about 2028. The race for 20208 is on, which means there's a very limited time. When we're talking about the mass deportations, it's great. A million and a half deportations in a year is good. Those are really good numbers. But the problem is it's not enough. It basically can't be enough because Biden was letting three million in per year, plus another million legal immigrants. And the Democrats are going to try to give amnesty

to all of them. So you just have to ramble. it all up, the clock is running out. And those are just a few instances of fraud. Here's another one. The Attorney General, newly installed Attorney General Todd Blanche, just uncovered one of the largest marriage fraud scandals in American history. There were over a thousand fake marriages that took place of the course of a decade between Americans and Chinese nationals. There are 11 individuals now who were charged with orchestrating these marriages to, quote, fraudulently obtain immigration status for foreign nationals, primarily citizens of the People's Republic of China. So you're talking about our top geopolitical adversary, communist China.

Some individuals paid 100 grand per sham marriage, according to this indictment. So why is this bad? Well, it's bad when our chief geopolitical adversary infiltrates our country. These are guys who are conducting a war against us, China, which is smuggling bio-weapons to destroy our crops in regularly through our university. system because we allow Chinese nationals to come to our schools. We have a very porous country. We have a very porous border, especially when Democrats are running it. But we have this other major weakness which the Supreme Court just compounded, which is we offer birthright citizenship in a way that is very easily abused. Beyond anything the framers of the 14th Amendment ever envisioned,

beyond anything that the framers of our U.S. Constitution could have envisioned. We inherited it from the British common law system, but the British, when they move from a subject system to a citizenship system in the middle of the 20th century, they realized this was totally unsustainable. They got rid of birthright citizenship, or rather, I should say, they clarified what the birthright would mean in a modern citizenship system for a modern nation state. And the U.S. just never caught up, and the Supreme Court just totally squished, unfortunately, and left this major, major loophole here. So when an operative of the Chinese Communist Party spends 100 Gs to get a sham marriage in the United States, that's bad enough. That's a crime.

But the thing is, the minute that they have a kid, that kid has U.S. citizenship, that kid could become president of the United States. This is a major national security concern and it's just a glaring mockery of U.S. sovereignty. And that's ultimately, I think, what a lot of the political battles are about. Yes, immigration is a top battle. Even the economic populism, the debate over tariffs or industrial policy or reshoring American industry. really what all of these debates are about, it's sovereignty. Frankly, even the more lurid social debates, the debates over transing the kids, and we will have the Assistant Health Secretary coming on momentarily to discuss another aspect of major fraud in the United States,

your taxpayer dollars being used illegally to trans kids. But even that sort of debate is a debate over sovereignty. Do we the American people not even have the right anymore to tell activists that they can't cast straight little kids? kids. Do we not have, you know, the castrating little kids is a horrific crime in and of itself. But I think part of the reason that it speaks to American voters so much is because we just feel like we don't have control over our country anymore. We don't have control over who comes in. We don't have control over the jobs. We don't have control. We're slaves to foreign interests. We're slaves to the economy, the market, the invisible hand, peace be upon him. We're slaves to

judges who are holding our system hostage and creating glaring loopholes such that our system can now be manipulated by Chinese nationals. On and on and on. It's about sovereignty. This is why when Trump is running in 2016, he's not a particularly ideological candidate. He's not a Berkian conservative who was raised going to Yaff conferences and ISI conferences, wearing bow ties, reciting Hayek by memory. That's not what he was. He's clearly loved America and wanted America going to be good again and great again and hugged the American flagged and kissed it. And that speaks to people. And what's that that speaking to is not just some saccharine, sentimental affection for our country or nostalgia for yesteryear. What that speaks to is a sense that we want control over,

some control over our political destiny again. We realize there are a lot of people who hate our country. The Democrat Party is now following Hassan Piker. Hassan Piker says he wipes his dairy air with the American flag. It says America deserve 9-11. And the Democrats are enthralled to this guy. The Democrats campaign with this guy. He really does represent them. That's not just like a right-wing talking point. He really does represent them. That's why he campaigns with them. And they campaign with him. And they refuse to disavow him. And actually, they publish his thoughts on the pages of the New York Times. He's not particularly intelligent. He's not particularly well-educated. They published his thoughts after Charlie Kirk was murdered, Hassan Piker is one of the most prominent figures on the left

calling for political violence against conservatives. They publishes his words in the New York Times, because they all agree with it. This is why AOC represents the Democrat Party as far as the presidential candidates go. And so normal voters are recognizing that and saying, we can't, we no longer even have the power to stop people who overtly hate our country from running it into the ground. And that, I think, is a very powerful issue for conservatives. It touches. touches on a lot of individual policies. And it's probably the most compelling case they can make to voters in the midterms in 2028. The marriage thing is really brutal because all big empires are open to corruption and big pluralistic empires like ours, multi-ethnic, multi-religious empires like

ours are really open to factionalism, not just parties debating ideas, but actual factionalism. I want this for me, for my group, for this race, not that race. For this religion, not that religion. This type of person gets special treatment. We're going to have a two-tier system of justice. That's a big issue. The corruption, it's a big issue. Corruption is like a myasma. It's like radon through a house. It's this poison that you can barely even smell, but you know it's there and it's slowly killing you. That's what the dynamics of the race are underneath all of the individual issues. And the Democrats are getting so smart. You have the Arizona Democrat gubernatorial candidate who's going to run in a pretty tough race. She's playing ball.

Radical, radical candidate, but guess what? She's now going to run with a Republican as her running mate. We'll get to that momentarily. Then we will get to this very, very important report coming out from HHS. First, though, just over 400 years tomorrow, the Mayflower set sail alongside its smaller counterpart, the Speedwell. She was meant to share the crossing, but began taking on water after attempting repairs in a second launch.

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Michael, good morning. It's great to be with you today. Thank you for having me on. You know, the last time I saw you was that amazing day before the fourth when they unviewed the statuary here in D.C. and you're a relative. And I forget the number of iterations. You're great, great, great, however many great-grandfather. Five, five greats. An amazing patriot. It was so good to see you that day. and I'm really glad to be back here today as the President's Assistant Secretary for Health.

Again, speaking about this incredibly important report that we issued yesterday. Well, thank you very much. I was very touched that you came to the unveiling of the Simon Null statue in Freedom Plaza. It was great to see you there. And, you know, I knew you had a lot cooking at the time. But this is pretty jaw-dropping.

This report, it's like the perfect encapsulation of everything that went wrong during wokeism, the transgender ideology being so prominent there. Your predecessor in your role, actually being a man who thought that he was a woman, the idea that the Assistant Secretary of Health would not know what sexy is. It just perfectly encapsulates that whole era. I mean, you just made an announcement with Secretary Kennedy and the Vice President, J.D. Vance.

Just here's a little clip you might have seen going around social media. Hey, everybody. This is Vice President J.D. Vance. I'm here with my friends and colleagues, of course, our great Health and Human Services Secretary, F. Kennedy Jr., and Admiral Brian Christine, the Assistant Secretary for Health. Under the previous administration, my predecessor, Richard Levine, promoted what he called gender affirming care for minors, and there's nothing caring about that. These are sex-rejecting, mutilating transgender procedures promoted by the Biden administration, and thanks to President Trump's leadership, we're changing course. The Wolves and White Coats report issued by my office

at HHS examines a medical system that subjected children to profound interventions, why serious questions remained about evidence, about informed consent, and about financial incentives. Okay, so Edmore, Christine, what is the top line here? What did you discover about health care spending, transgenderism, transing the kids and the government? Right. Well, the report has several different sections to it. One, the report acknowledges, and we speak about the fact that there's been a dramatic rise in the number of our youth, our minors, who identify as transgender and who are seeking sex-rejecting procedures. Understand that gender dysphoria is a real condition, a psychological condition.

It is best treated with competent, compassionate mental health care. And as a Catholic, I would say from a personal standpoint, if the parents wish, pastoral care as well. But that's how you treat these kids, not with castrating chemicals and mutilating surgeries. So we talk about that in the report. We also talk about the fact that there is a financial and sense. to make these kids, if you will, captive patients, lifelong patients. In other words, if you put them on cross-sex hormones, or if you put them on puberty blockers,

or you do radical surgeries, they then have to come back again and again and again. Continued visits, possibly dealing with complications. You made a lifelong patient, and there's an economic incentive. We talk about potentially fraudulent coding to use medical codes that do not describe what's going on with the patient. They use those codes to ensure reimbursement. They use codes that were false for the patients to ensure reimbursement. So a potential fraud component, we talk about the ideology driven under the Biden administration, and yes, under my predecessor, Rachel Levine, he is a man dressed as a woman who pushed this ideology. We talk about the medical societies, the endocrine society,

wopath, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, with so many ideologues pushing this forward, trying to use the weight of their professional status, but pushing this ideology forward. And of course, we talk about these young men and women who were led down a false pathway, undergoing these sex-rejecting procedures. And then they and their families, when they realized that this was wrong and they wanted to stop treatment and they wanted to detransition, they were abandoned, Michael. The same people, the same doctors and nurses and clinics that push them forward, abandon them. It's heartbreaking. Yeah, there's so much there because you mentioned W-Path, this trans lobby.

And the way that so many people have this question, how did we get here? How do we get to the point where you've got taxpayer dollars going to fund mutilating kids and doctors saying that a boy can become a girl? She's so absurd. How did we get here? One of the ways we got here is you have groups like W-Path who set up a show. They set up a kind of a hoax where W-Path, you have these ideologues who are pro-trans. and they'll make up a bunch of nonsense. And then you'll get the medical lobbies to start citing W-Path as a legitimate authority.

And then W-Path and related groups go on and cite the medical lobbies. And so it becomes this kind of circular game where they're all relying on each other's credibility, but none of them have any credibility, actually. So you end up with this absurdity that a boy could become a girl and you need to stick the kid full of cross-sex hormones

in some cases using taxpayer dollars fraudulently. So then you mentioned the pastoral part. I think this is really important. I was once doing a speech somewhere at some school. And a kid comes up to me. And she said, hey, Michael, I just want to thank you and other people for speaking out against the trans ideology because I had gender dysphoria. I was really drawn to gender reassignment or gender affirming care, which is, as you say, gender rejecting care. But luckily, I had good parents and I had a good priest. And he convinced me that I shouldn't necessarily. do that. And then they got me into good psychological counseling. And the psychologist diagnosed a bunch of other issues, namely autism, notably autism. And once they started treating the other issues, she goes, Michael, thank God, my gender dysphoria greatly abated. But my life could have been ruined had I been put on these cross-sex hormones. My life could have been shortened. I could have had bone problems. I could have had many sexual development problems. The rates of anxiety actually increase after the gender reassignment, suicidality obviously is very high. The list goes on and on and on. But the point that you mentioned there that really I think is going to stick in the crow of a lot of ordinary people is the fraud of it all. You're telling me these medical associations were using fraudulent codes at hospitals to bilk the taxpayer for surgeries and procedures that are obviously absurd, obviously immoral, and the government shouldn't be paying for.

No, exactly. And that's why you see the referral from Vice President Vance to our amazing new attorney general, Todd Blanche, why you see the referral from Secretary Kennedy to the Office of Inspector General at HHS because of this potential fraud and this potential fraudulent coding. And Michael, what you said as well, talking about the psychological care for these kids on the section of the report and in our video documentary that went along with this, talking to these children, talking to these parents where when they were counseled to undergo and push towards sex rejecting procedures, no one even talked to them and went into their past about that maybe the psychological trauma or harm they might have they might have undergone, leading them to have gender dysphoria

that could have been well handled with psychological competent counseling. That wasn't even offered for many of these children. That's a common theme that we see that the parents say, and I'm a parent, I understand that you would do anything for your children. And these parents were literally scared to death because they were told either you have sex rejecting procedures, either you castrate your son or you load your daughter with hormones or you do sex rejecting surgeries or they're going to kill themselves. What parent, and again, if they trusted these individuals in white coats, many of whom were wolves, you understand why they could trust them and they were at their mercy.

So there's so much going on with this report. You know, the way that we change this, and I believe in the Trump administration, we have made such an important inroads in turning the tide on this. We have to never stop. We have to never take our foot off the accelerator because we know what the ideologues will do. They will come back with a vengeance. But we have to evangelize. We have to let the American people know. That's what this report does.

That's what Secretary Kennedy and the vice president and myself were doing. And being on this show, being with you talking about, is part of that evangelizing. is part of that education, is part of pulling the scales from people's eyes so they see what the left has done to our kids. Yeah, it's just crucial, crucial work. I encourage everyone to go read the report. I'm so glad to see the referrals. I hope people are prosecuted. I hope they're very serious consequences. I trust there will be because of all the political scandals I've ever seen in my life, I suspect of all the scandals you've seen in your life, this this one is so utterly ghastly and revolting. It so

boggles the mind that if there are no consequences, I can't imagine what that means for the future of our polity. Admiral Christine, thank you so much, sir, for all of your excellent work, and thank you for coming on the show. Thank you, Michael. God bless you. God bless your family. God bless our president and God bless our republic.

Yes, too, as well. Thank you very much, sir. Okay. I do want to get to the mailbag. First, though, my favorite comment yesterday is from Jacob, who says, and the new White House Press Secretary is Marco Rubio what the I know that's what we're all waiting for I should thank Ben Ben Ben pitched me for the White House president

Ben Shapiro not Ben Davies pitched me for that job it does seem like a great job seems like a lot of fun but a very tough job it's a very very tough job and I you know to the legacy of Caroline Levitt she she did great she just did so well in that role because the way I'm judging that is she never really made it about her. There was no big error. There was no big gaff. She just, she did a great job in it. So, uh, in any case, I'm sure, I'm sure they'll pick a great one.

And, uh, if they don't find any good options, then it's going to have to be Marco Rubio. I agree. Finally, finally, we, uh, arrive at my favorite time of the week, the mailbag, mailbag sponsored by Pure Talk at Puretok.com slash Knowles, KnaWLES to start saving today. Take it away. Hello, Michael. I hope this goes okay. I had a couple of drinks. Uh, first time voice mailbag recorder. I was just wondering your take on how likely do you think it is that AOC has only

cynically freezing her eggs so that she can say she is a person with a tie to the future because someone might ask her, hey, you know, you're not married, you don't have kids, you don't have any tie to the future, but she can say, oh yes I do because I'm freezing my eggs. Any thoughts? I don't think it's that conscious. Sure, that's part of it. I don't think AOC is all that conscious, but I do think she's a good

politician. I think she just kind of finds her lane. She moves on gut instinct. She understands instinctively what relates to people. And I said it on the show the other day. She really is the voice of her generation. She really is a voice of the left-wing version of being a millennial. And you know what millennials do? They freeze their eggs because millennials were told not to get married, to put off getting married. Millennials had a lot of trouble dating. Zumers are having even more trouble, but millennials were told to put career first. Millennials were told to be selfish, basically. And I think a lot of it's not their fault. That's how they were raised. And then a lot of millennials began to question what they were taught. Maybe I should have prioritized my family life

more than the career. Maybe the career is not all it's cracked up to be. Maybe these student loans I took out, hundreds of thousands of dollars to go to some college. Maybe they actually weren't worth it. Maybe I've made some mistakes. And so, you know, I don't think there is an ethical case to be made for freezing your eggs and IVF and surrogacy, but I, I sympathize with the people who do it. I get why people do it. If I were, if I were not blessed to have gotten married earlier, if I were like a lot of other people in my generation, I, especially if I were a woman, if I were, you know, in my late 30s or early 40s, I would say, oh, shoot, I was lied to. And I actually do want kids.

And maybe I want to freeze my eggs. You know, I totally understand that feeling. I don't think AOC is lying about wanting kids and wanting a family. But there is no question. The fact that she's live streaming, taking the shots, is political. She's signaling that she is going to run. She's answering a question about her future and her plans for her future. She wants to run for president, and she might well get the nomination.

Next question. Hey, Michael's Haley, Everyday listener here. My son's 16th birthday is coming up on August the 17th, and I'm trying to decide what Bible to get him. I can't believe he's almost 16 hasn't gotten in his own Bible yet. But I'm hoping you can help, maybe recommend a translation. I've done a little bit of research, and it looks like William Tyndale in the 1520s and 1530s completed an English translation. from the original Greek and Hebrew. And then the King James, it appears, is based largely on that translation,

relied heavily on that. So I was thinking going with just the King James Version Bible. And someone pointed out that maybe I should look into something a little more easy to read, considering a 16-year-old boy, might get discouraged trying to read the old, old style of language. You might not really understand it. I don't know, though. I'm really kind of torn. So I just hoping that you can provide a recommendation.

What do you think? Yes, good question. I mean, I would recommend, first I would recommend getting a Catholic Bible because I don't, whatever your particular flavor of religion, I would say, even if you don't, even as some Protestants, don't believe that the Duderocanical books are, you know, really properly part of the canon of scripture. But, you know, look, it's a better deal. You're getting more books anyway. Even, even I happen to believe they are part of the Canada of Scripture. But listen, you want, I like a good deal. Okay.

So get the one with the extra books compared to the fewer books. compared to the fewer books. But, yeah, I would say the best translations are probably the Duetreams and the King James. You know, to read the King James, you're not only reading Revelation and inspired scripture,

but you're also engaging with the Western tradition. You know, you're also, you will just idioms, phrases that we use. So many of them come from the King James Bible, so that language is so great. You can get it with the Dutero-Cononical books. But if you're worried that it's a little... antiquated or, you know, the language is a little archaic, then I would recommend the revised

standard version Catholic edition. Again, even if you don't, even if you're not totally sold on the Deuterocanical books, who doesn't like it in some extra free books? You know, I like a good deal. But that's the version that Father Mike Schmitz uses for Bible in a year, which became the number one podcast in the country. I call it Bible in five years, actually. I was listening to it just yesterday. But that's a very readable version. So I like that. I tend to use the RSV-C-E just for my kind of ordinary usage to get the meaning immediately. But the beauty of the language of the Duet Reims and the KJV is really spectacular. Okay, I want to take a written mailbag question because this relates to something that happened yesterday.

This is from Aaron H. Michael, longtime listener of your show, a question for you, what was the moment in your life when you said, oh, S-H-I-T, I made it. I strive to have that moment one day, but for now I will live it through your story. That's very kind of you to say. The reason I really liked this question is because it was yesterday. Yesterday is when I had that moment. And the reason is I walk into my office in the other building and I see there's a box waiting for me. It's just not, and look, it's a ukulele. It looks like a ukulele. So anyway, I go, I pull it out. You know, I'm a sucker for a good ukulele.

A listener to the show had sent me a ukulele. that was custom made. This is a luthier in Virginia. Just an absolutely magnificent instrument. This is from Nathan Reed custom guitars in Virginia. There's another read custom guitars in Canada. It's not the evil top hat one. It's in Virginia.

He doesn't even have a website. It's like he's just a pure artist. But if you Google read custom guitars at gmail.com, R-E-I-D custom guitars at gmail.com, I don't know. Highly recommend commissioning at you. It is a poplar top walnut back and side. It's a beautiful maple neck, a nice curly walnut fretboard with, I don't know if you can see this,

the Michael Knowles Show logo inlaid in turquoise and hand-cut abalone. I do not deserve this. I do not. It's so, it's not totally tuned. But that's it. It's never going to get any cooler than that. I made it. This is it.

And a serious answer to your question, it's a very flattering question. But the real answer is, there's always going to be some guy who is more powerful than you, who is richer than you, who is more famous than you, who is living a more luxurious life than you, who has accomplished more than you, there's always going to be some guy who is doing that. And so I think it, I don't think it's helpful to think of this one moment when I made it. And then it's good and we're done. I can check out, you know, life is over. I don't, I think, I feel like I'm really blessed and I know I'm very, very blessed.

And so I think those moments are, they happen all the time. Those moments happen all the time. And I have been aware of them happening for most of the time. The moment, I was never picked for the football team, but, you know, the moment I got the lead in the school play, that was when I said, oh, great, I made it. You know, the moment I got, I don't know, got elected class president, got into a school I wanted to go to, got a job that I wanted, got a job that I wanted, got, got, got, got, got the girl I wanted to date me to date me. The moment I got to master an instrument, the moment that I, especially the ukulele, the moment that I had my first kid, that's one that really makes you think, wow, I've arrived. I've arrived. I'm a real guy. Oh my goodness. I got married. I had a kid.

I had those, it's all those moments. And you hope that you, you hope that you don't reach the final moment where you say, okay, I made it and everything's downhill from here. You want it to keep growing. And I think if you are aware of all the great things that God is doing for you in your life, you'll, you won't just have one of those moments. I hope I have that moment one day, but it may never come. No, you're going to have those moments all the time. You're going to have those moments even amid suffering. And you're going to recognize that all of the natural good things that happened to you are actually pale in comparison to the supernatural things. The temporal pales in comparison to the eternal.

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