The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 45 - Bowe Bergdahl: Aiding The Enemy And Obama’s Art of the Deal

Episode Date: October 23, 2017

U.S. Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl is awaiting sentencing after pleading guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy, which could land him in prison for life. Michael discusses how Barack Obama got us here. Then Amber Athey and His Eminence Paul Bois join the Panel of Deplorables to talk about the woke UPenn TA who refuses to call on her white male students, vicious dictator and World Health Organization Goodwill Ambassador Robert Mugabe, and Snoop Diggity Doo Dap’s latest hip hop ditty “Make America Crip Again.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

U.S. Army Sergeant Bo Bergdahl is awaiting sentencing after pleading guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy, which could land him in prison for life. We'll discuss how Barack Obama got us into this mess. Then Amber Athy and his eminence, Paul Bois, joined the panel of deplorables to talk about the woke UPenn T.A. who refuses to call on her white male students, lucky kids. Vicious dictator and world health organization, Goodwill Ambassador Robert Mugabe, and Snoop DiggityDigee-Digee-Digee. app's latest hip-hop ditty, Make America Crip again. I'm Michael Knowles and this is the Michael Knowles Show. We have so much to get to today.

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He has pleaded guilty. I don't know if you remember him, but Bo Bergdahl is the deserter for whom Barack Obama traded five extremely dangerous Taliban operatives. He was being held by the Taliban. He dumped a lot of guys out of Gitmo, high-profile terrorists to get this guy back. Trump has called Bergdahl a traitor who should be executed in typical Trumpian nuance. And we're awaiting the sentencing now. But it's easy to gloss over all of this recent history.

Let's be clear. Barack Obama's radicalism and ineptitude, rather, is what got us here. Six Americans died looking for this guy when he deserted his post. Five high-profile terrorists are back in the region, so, you know, it's a win-win by Barack Obama standards. And I actually don't mean that disrespectfully or glibly. This is the deal he wanted. This is the art of the deal, according to Barack Obama. We'll get into why he wanted this deal later. but a traitor, a deserter back in our country, and five terrorists back on the battlefield,

Barack Obama thought this was a good idea. So let's go to Barack Obama announcing Bergdahl's return in 2014. Good afternoon, everybody. This morning, I called Bob and Janie Bergdahl and told them that after nearly five years in captivity, their son, Bo, is coming home. Sergeant Bergdahl has missed birthdays and holidays and the simple moments with family and friends, which all of us take for granted. But while Beau was gone, he was never forgotten.

His parents thought about him and prayed for him every single day, as did his sister, Skye, who prayed for his safe return. He wasn't forgotten by his community in Idaho or the military. which rallied to support the Bergdolls through thick and thin. And he wasn't forgotten by his country because the United States of America does not ever leave our men and women in uniform behind. That's the key. So you see during this press conference, he's careful with his language. He doesn't say this is a great hero. We're welcoming a hero home because he knows the guy's a deserter. He knows that the guy's responsible for six American soldiers being killed trying to find him.

But he's building the case for why we had to trade. these huge assets that were being held at Guantanamo Bay, why we had to send them back to Qatar so that we could get this deser back in our midst. And the last line is the key. He said, we never, as Americans, we never leave our guys on the battlefield, even if they're deserters, even if they're traitors, we don't leave them on the battlefield. This isn't exactly true. There is a tradition of this going back, even to the French and Indian War, even before the country was founded, where we always go and that's sort of the agreement. You enlist to serve the country, and we make sure that we don't leave you behind. This is not always worked out in practice

as it does in theory. During the Civil War, the Union military made attempts to rescue thousands of captured soldiers who were being held in the South. The South had this idea, which was if they captured a black Union soldier, they would enslave him. So the Union Army halted all prisoner exchanges until the South agreed to treat black soldiers, the same way they treated white soldiers. This resulted in about 13,000 union soldiers being killed and dying, excuse me, while in Confederate captivity. We didn't go and get them. There were certain other considerations that we had to take into account. Obviously, things are not that simple. It's not an automatic rule that the moment someone is in captivity, we send out this battalion and this

group of people. There are considerations that have to be made by the military leadership, by the civilian leadership. In World War II, Americans were being held POW in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You might remember those two cities because we vaporized them. We blew them to bits. The United States government made that decision, knowing that there may very well be American prisoners being held there, but obviously they took into account the million American soldiers who could have died trying to island hop in Japan, trying to go conventionally and defeat Japan finally. So they made that decision. But there were American POWs who got zapped because we had to make certain decisions and because our enemies behaved in a certain way. You know, on the other side, there have been

tremendous raids. There was the raid at Caban-Tuan, I'm sure I'm butchering that, in the Philippines during that war. American forces went into the heart of Japanese forces to save 500 Americans. I'm not suggesting that we're not, we don't do this, but it isn't nearly as clear-cut as Barack Obama needs to pretend it is to justify his terrible decision. He goes on. As part of this effort, the United States is transferring five detainees from the prison in Guantanamo Bay to Qatar. The Qatari government has given us assurances that it will put in place measures to protect our national security. I was going to try to hold a straight face for that. The Qatari government is, because the Qatari government, we can really rely on these guys, right?

They're going to protect American national security, one of the largest state sponsors of terrorism in the world, tied to the Al-Nusra Front, tied to al-Qaeda, tied to Hamas, tied to ISIS. Don't worry, folks. We're going to send back some of the most high-profile terrorists in the world to one of the largest state sponsors of terror in the world and one of the richest countries in the region. But it's okay. Probably nothing will happen. It'll all go just fine. He goes on. I'd like to say to Bo right now who's having trouble speaking English. Bismillah Rahmanahim. Zehaba yam. I'm your father, Bo. people of Afghanistan the same. Khalifa al-thani,

the complicated nature of this recovery will never really be comprehended. So that was Bo Bergdahl's father speaking at that press conference. Obama has Bergdahl's parents on either side of him. And I'm not going to beat up on him too much. His son was taken captive. I don't know what goes

through a guy's head. I don't know what drives him to think the things he does or behave the way he does. He does invoke a law at this press conference, which raised a lot of eyebrows. He does have a very kind of terroristic-looking beard that he grew out, ostensibly to understand what his son was going through. Perfectly understandable. There was a deleted tweet that he had sent out, which said, quote, I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, Amin. He also retweeted a bunch of enemy propaganda. about the United States. This was not a good-looking press conference for Barack Obama, and it raises a lot of questions.

Was Bo Bergdahl sympathizing with the enemy when he was Afghanistan? That would prompted him to desert? What are his parents, his father at least, seems to have been sympathizing with the enemy during the captivity, though we can't really know. It all, as Bergdahl's father says, it was a complicated process to get this guy out. I think that is the understatement of the century. The complications that he's alluding to here are ideological complications, both for Barack Obama's radical ideology, and perhaps the ideology of those who are sympathizing with the enemy.

Here is Mike Flynn, before he was thrown under the bus because of this Russia probe. Here is Mike Flynn who had knowledge of the circumstances explaining it. So for the first 24 to 72 hours, I mean, we were in crisis operations, and I was personally diverting every single capability, human intelligence-wise, to signals intelligence, to unmanned aerial vehicles, to space-based systems. I mean, we really turned on to find this soldier. So you believe, sir, that he did walk off the base of the intention of meeting the Taliban? Absolutely.

Nobody now suggests that he didn't. At the time, it was hotly disputed. He's not a deserter. This is Republican propaganda. to attack President Obama. Now, he did. He deserted. He walked off of the base. Barack Obama kind of leaned into that and defended that at the time anyway. And President Trump, in his typical understatement, nuanced way, made this an issue of the campaign. Take Sergeant Bergdell. Does anybody remember that name?

So, this is the way we think. So we get a traitor named Bergdoll, a dirty, rotten traitor, who, by the way, when he deserted, six young, beautiful people were killed trying to find him, right? And you don't even hear about him anymore. Somebody said the other day, well, he had some psychological problems. You know, in the old days, Bing, bong, when we were strong, when we were strong. So we get Bergdahl, a traitor, and they get five of the people that they most wanted anywhere in the world, five killers that are right now back on the battlefield doing a job. That's the kind of deals

we make. That's the kind of deals we make, right? Am I right? Typical Trumpian sobriety. Obama would be really bad at Settlers of Catan. I don't even know what that game is. We got to stop hiring kids to do this show. Donald Trump is there. He's got, if you couldn't hear on the Bing Bong, he's got, He's making the image of a rifle, so he's suggesting that we kill Trader, we just execute them. Fair enough. The six Americans that died looking for Bergdahl are, you don't hear their names a lot. You hear Bo Bergdahl's name. You don't hear their names.

It's Staff Sergeant Clayton Bowen, Private First Class Morris Walker, Staff Sergeant Curtis, second lieutenant Darren Andrews, Staff Sergeant Michael Murfrey, and Private First Class Matthew Martinick. So six guys go out there trying to find this guy, and we trade him for the Taliban five, called by John McCain, the hardest of the hardcore. All five deemed high risk to the United States. So why did Barack Obama do it? Two words, Guantanamo Bay, underscored in Bo Bergdahl's father's tweet. He did it because he made it a plank of his first campaign to close Guantanamo Bay. He said, we're going to close it. It's not constitutional. It's not in the ideals of America, we have to get rid of it. It didn't happen. He realized he couldn't do it because the worst people on the face of the earth were being held captive there. So Barack Obama saw an excuse to trade five terrorists for this deserter to bring him back. I'm sure if he could have, he would have traded 10 for the deserter because the incentives here were so perverse for Barack Obama. He didn't view it as a letdown to let these people out. He had been looking

for a way to empty that prison openly so since 2008. He campaigned on it. This is not some crazy conspiracy theory. He told us exactly what he wanted to do. And then we got, as Donald Trump said, perfectly. Some of that speech that he gave about Bo Bergdell was not articulate, to say the least, talking about Bing Bang and a Dirty Rotten traitor. Maybe he shouldn't have used that language, but he got it exactly right when he talked about Barack Obama's art of the deal. Those are the kind of deals that we get because of Barack Obama's radicalism, because of his radical ideology, an ideology that says that we are the cause of a lot of troubles in the world. We're not protecting the world. We're causing a lot of troubles. We need to get out of other people's business.

We can't have these awful terrorists in Guantanamo Bay. It's not right. It's wrong. Let them all out. And that's the result that you get. And, you know, unfortunately now there's a new sheriff in town and Bo Bergdahl appears to be getting what he deserves, but we'll have to wait for sentencing. before the sentencing we have to bring on our panel. We have an excellent panel today of his eminence, Paul Bois, and of the Daily Callers Amber Athe. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having us with them. Your eminence. Your eminence, happy birthday, by the way. It was your birthday on Saturday? Thank you. Paul Bois, was it worth it? Six dead Americans, five terrorists, and enemy hands. This sounds like a loaded question, but it really isn't,

because you do have to take into account leaving a man on the field. Was it worth it so that we didn't leave this guy on the battlefield? I would say that the righteous law of leaving no man behind fell completely out the window the second he deserted his squadron and put the lives of American soldiers at risk. So I believe the intensity of to retrieving him severely lowers at that point and trading five terrorists for him, for someone who deserted his base and people died as a result of it? Absolutely not, no. But is it worth trying to get him at least?

Sure. He's a dirty rotten terrorist, as Trump says, but he's still our guy. Even if he deserts, you can't desert for long, pal. We'll get you. You know, I mean, maybe we shouldn't have traded five terrorists for him. But should it be the policy of the United States to always go after guys that we lose on the field? I would agree it still should be in our policy and our priority to get him back. But like I said, the intensity by which we do it severely goes down when they desert and put other Americans at risk.

Fair enough. And maybe we don't give up five of the worst guys on earth. Maybe we only give up three. Amber, do people understand that Barack Obama did this intentionally? Do people get that this was a strategic decision? or will his radicalism be whitewashed by history and he'll just be a sort of amiable middle of the rotor when historians look back? I don't think people fully understand that this was clearly just a ploy,

as you said, to close Guantanamo Bay because when he first talked about doing that, the normal person's reaction was, well, what are you going to do with all these terrorists that are there? And this was a really easy way for him to just get rid of five of them. But the problem is that history always looks, more favorably upon past presidents,

unless of course you're George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, in which case liberals will try to tear down your statues. But I mean, let's look at some of the other Obama era scandals. People aren't talking about Fast and Furious anymore. The only reason they're talking about Benghazi is because they want the incident with Niger to be Trump's Benghazi.

So I think this is just gonna be another example of things being whitewashed throughout history and Obama is going to be considered the perfect moderate Democrat. Just on that point, that awful Congresswoman the silly hats, Frederica Wilson, who completely politicized this fallen American hero, La David Johnson. She has said that this is Trump's Benghazi. She's saying that Trump's alleged impoliteness on the telephone, which we don't have a ton of reason to believe was impolite because

we've heard other calls of his to Gold Star families. But she's saying this alleged impoliteness, this is his version of Benghazi. The best part about that statement is that it acknowledges that Benghazi was Benghazi. It acknowledges that that was finally a Democrat is admitting that was a terrible scandal that rightly plagued Hillary Clinton and plagues her today. People seem to be missing that point that in her criticizing Trump, she's acknowledging how bad Benghazi was. Sad. Yeah, which makes herself look so silly because she only has tweeted about Benghazi twice. She tweeted about it once the other day when she said this was Trump's Benghazi.

And then she tweeted about it when it very first happened to offer her condolences to the families of the source. soldiers who died. So there's a huge silence in there. So if she's going to sit here and say Benghazi was a big deal now, she's just making herself look idiotic. Hold on. You're telling me that a woman who wears sequined cowboy hats on the floor of the United States Congress, she might look a little silly. I don't believe it. This is the intrepid reporting at the Michael Null show. Okay, we've got a lot more to talk about. We've got to talk about woke TAs and white males and goodwill ambassador Robert Mugabe. But you can't watch any of that if you don't subscribe to the Daily Wire. We've got to say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube.

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which for some reason, that's the nice term, but colored people is viciously racist. But POC is that that one's okay. Other people of color get second-tier priority. White women come next, and if I have to, white men. I believe the tuition at the University of Pennsylvania is like $60,000 a year right now, but she won't call on the white men. In the spirit of this woke TA McHellop, I'll have to call on Amber first. Is this intersectional oppression ideology, just the...

the ravings of some kook, or is it widespread? How widespread is this absurd ideology? It's crazy. This specific example is the first time I've seen this, but overall, the ideology behind it, I think, is fairly widespread at universities. What you see is professors and these social justice warriors. They can't just have people at different races be equal. They actually have to glorify and hold the so-called oppressed minority classes above. the people who are historically not oppressed in their eyes. So this is just an example of how, in her view, the black women get special treatment, not just equal treatment,

because they have had some kind of injustice done to them. Meanwhile, while you said they're attending one of the best schools in the country at a super high price tag and are probably some of the most privileged people in society. You know, I believe the largest mass lynching in American history was against Sicilians. This is a true story. 11 Sicilians were lynched in, I think, 18, think 1891. It's one of the reasons Columbus Day became a holiday. Does this mean Shapiro has to give me a raise? As a Sicilian American, as a partially Sicilian American, historically very oppressed, I don't know. I'm going to ask him about it. Paul Bois. Yeah, only if I get a race for being a woman.

Well, we could raise your payment for the Michael Nulls Show panel of deplorables infinitely because we hear, of course, pay nobody anything, probably including me. Paul Bois, isn't this just an example of patriarchy and institutional racism. Because I never wanted to be called on in class. These kids get a free pass. They don't have to do any class participation. Just the white man getting one over on everybody else yet again. Yeah, Michael, I mean, doesn't it seem rather counterintuitive

to just make the white men just like sit around and be lazy during the class and make all the colored students just like have to work extra hard? It's almost beyond parody. works you know you we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna show you a quality all you white men kick back and have a pinia collada and all you black students now you have to do all the work unbelievable might as well just raise the curriculum for all for all the minority students and make them work like super extra hard so exactly so they can get an A and just do you think that this is because I think

most people in America when they read stories like this are shocked that this goes on but I remember I was in college not too long ago I was in a place just as crazy as you've been, that this really is what, this is common sense to these people. It is common sense that white male students should be disadvantaged because of historical injustices and the intersectional ideology. That, like it goes, you were looked at as insane if you question that ideology. How widespread is this in elite institutions? And is it creeping down at all in the regular culture or is the regular culture are just going to vote for Donald Trump and say enough of your craziness? I would say, yes, it is very widespread in elite institutions.

I mean, I went to Cal State Northridge and even it was prevalent there, and that's a smaller college here in California. And I can only imagine how bad it gets in Ivy League and elite institutions like UPenn and Yale and Harvard. It's just widespread there. And then in terms of how it trickles down to the broader culture, I mean, that is is an interesting question. I certainly think that the institutions, the cultural institutions, have bitten the apple on this. Hollywood certainly has major corporations, Starbucks, Target,

what have you. They've all bitten it. And so they try and use their institutional power to translate it into the broader culture, and they utilize it to beat people with a club and say, oh, you know, well, we're woke. If you want to be woke like us, you know, you want to be cool and hip or unless you want to be one of those deplorables over there, then you better sign on to this whole white privilege and gender intersectionality narrative. So that's really how they try to translate into the broader culture. And that's why I think we elected Trump to tell all of those people, screw you. Woke like Bois, that should be the title of your memoir. That's really beautiful. Speaking of coolness and hipness, oh no, I'm sorry, we'll get to that story after. We're going to

talk about Snoop Diddley-Doodap later. But we have to first talk about Robert Mugavi. the Goodwill Ambassador. Robert Mugabe has been named by the World Health Organization, a goodwill ambassador. The director said, quote, I am honored to be joined by President Mugabe of Zimbabwe, a country that places universal health coverage and health promotion at the center of its policies to provide health care to all. That's from W.HO. Director General Tedros Adhanom,

and he told that to a global health care conference as the WHA made its announcement. In Zimbabwe, one in three children are star, Mugabe is the oldest leader or really just dictator in the entire world. He enjoys being compared to Hitler. He has constantly rigged elections. He even won, quote unquote, the Zimbabwean lottery in 2000. He said that whites are second-class citizens in Zimbabwe and that they're better dead. This is the guy who is a goodwill ambassador for the WHO.

The WHO, we will point out, has since rescinded its offer. Paul Bois, does this prove that multinational organizations like the WHO, the United Nations, nations, that they're just mouthpieces for dictators, as we on the right have claimed for decades. Yeah, Michael, I'm actually kind of surprised they kicked him out because he fits right in. I mean, this is an organization who, one of their founding members was Stalin. This is an organization who won their 70th anniversary, they parade a bunch of dictators to talk about the importance of dignity and human rights, people, you know, leaders of China and Cuba. It's an organization, half of their 193 members are deemed by human rights groups to be not even free at all in violation of every human rights principle we have.

Yeah, human rights principle we have on record. So, I mean, my opinion of the UN is just basically disband them as an organization. Just keep them as just like a forum for nations to come and debate about their spit spats. but everything else is pretty much useless. Turn it into luxury condos. There's a great cigar bar nearby called the cigar in on 53rd and second. Turn it into luxury condos. Maybe I'll get one there someday.

It'll be closer to my favorite Stogey spot. And you have made a good point, your eminence, Mr. Bois, because I've never heard someone make a positive case for Mugabe, but compared to Stalin, Robert Mugabe is pretty good. Robert Mugabe, better than Stalin, goodwill ambassador. Amber, doesn't this highlight the absurdity of of liberals do this all the time, lefties do this all the time. They point to places with crushing poverty and corruption like Cuba,

and they lawed them for so-called universal health care. Universal health care that doesn't have any medicine, that's rife with corruption, that no one gets to access. I was in Havana. Some locals pointed to the hospital. They said, there it is. Anybody can go in, and you have to bring your own medicine and your own tools because they won't have any there.

You have to basically bribe doctors to work on you because the doctors don't make any money either. doesn't every tin pot dictator and every banana republic around the world have a whole host of goods that don't ever seem to materialize that's exactly right i mean you can say whatever you want when you're a dictator because you also have to imagine the press and the military on your side so the real story never really gets out there and uh you're right that liberals will often overlook the real story behind these promises because they're so desperate to prove that socialism and communism are beneficial ideologies. Back when Fidel Castro died, I went to American University, speaking of crazy

social justice warriors, and I interviewed them, and I asked them if they thought that Fidel Castro or Donald Trump was a better leader. And they all, almost all of them said that they preferred Fidel Castro because they cited the, yeah, they cited, like you said, the parent universal health care, and they cited the high literacy rates, which are also shown to not be accurate. So they're just, they have no examples of actual working communism or socialism, but because they keep pushing for it in the U.S., they have to just go by what these dictators are saying, which is a really distorted version of reality. And they have the press on their side, as you say. The press is so key here. And it must be

what it feels like for Barack Obama to have CNN, you know, for Mugabe to have the Zimbabwean press or Pravda for the Soviets or something like that. That is, and that's the worry. When we talk about fake news, the worry isn't, I don't think there's any worry right now that we're going to ban the media outlets in the United States. The worry is that they're sycophants for Democrats. The worry is that they're just machine guns for the Democratic Party. There are communications firm flacking for them. And that's no good. I mean, that's no different than Providence.

So we've got to knock them well we can. Okay, moving on to the most important news, hip-hop crooner, Snoop Doggy Puff, has a new piece out on our fearless leader. It's called Make America Crip Again. Now, I wanted to play this clip of the random noises and cacophony that he calls a musical piece. But unfortunately, there's so much expletive in it that we can't do it on the show. Yeah, there's no time to edit. Yeah, it'd just be a bleep. It'd just be a long bleep.

So I can quote the lyrics, Snoopy says, The President wants to make America great again. F that, we're going to make America Crip again. Crip, referring to the gang that I guess. he was associated with. Now, this is a marked change in hip hop. Hip hop is turning on President Trump now, but hip hop used to love Trump because he was a symbol of conspicuous wealth and success and something to aspire to. So a young musician named Young Jezy once warbled, quote, and I'm going to change a couple words because I don't want to get yelled at. Quote, Richest Ninja in my hood,

call me Donald Trump. There were 318 mentions, according to Nate Silver at 538, of Donald Trump between 1989 and 2016. Amber, why does hip hop not like Donald Trump anymore? Well, because he's a Republican. I mean, it's fairly obvious. Most of these rappers are good buddies with Barack Obama and I guess to some extent Hillary Clinton, although I don't think she's quite hip enough for most of them.

But the part that really got me about Snoop Dog's rap is mentioning he wants to make America a Crip again. He explained that the Crips were originally founded to be sort of the new Black Panther Party. Obviously what they ended up being was a very violent gang in California. So for him to lecture about Donald Trump being a terrible person. And with Eminem 2, but then to promote gang culture is a bit absurd, I would think. Snoop's also a drive-by shooting criminals.

So, you know, I mean, at least it's of a piece when he says we want to make, pun intended, that he wants to make America Crip again. Paul Bois, is there anything redeeming about this terrible music? Because I try, you know, people say I'm like an old Kermud. I sound like a caricature of just an old Republican who's like, you kids with your hip-hop, but it's horrible. It's just not good. I have so frequently tried to convince myself that hip-hop songs are good or in any way,

but I can't. They're just terrible. Is there anything redeeming about it? Well, as Aristotle said, Michael, music... Good, I'm glad you don't sound like an old curmudgeon. Tell me what Aristotle said. Yeah, yeah. As Aristotle said, Michael, music gives soul to the universe.

And to be quite honest, I've always... found hip-pop to be a very miserable genre of music. One, it's way too carnal of a genre. It's all about just the beat itself. And that's why if you listen to even like a quote-unquote good hit-pop song, you're pretty much bored within like two or three days and you never really want to return to listen to it ever again. So that's one thing. But in terms of the culture that it's bred, especially when you look at a previous musician, black musicians of previous generation,

you had soul music, you had gentlemen like Nat King Cole, such a beautiful music that contributed so wonderfully to the American songbook. And there's nothing that's going to be remembered in hip-hop 50 years from now. It's just going to be considered

just like, oh yeah, a music genre that came in a way, but nobody's going to be returning to the classics of Snoop Dog, you know, singing about money on his mind 50 years from now and the horrible culture of misogyny that it bred. So I look forward to its death completely. You're a hopeless, or an optimist, rather.

I think they probably will be looking back on these guys. And you mention how carnal the music is. It's all about sex and treating women terribly. But, you know, you bring up soul music too. Soul music is extremely sensual in some ways carnal. But soul music is great. There are a lot of excellent songs in Soul and Motown that kind of take you on a journey,

and they're musically somewhat sophisticated and lyrically compelling. And this stuff is just garbage. So I even tried. I tried to listen to Kanye one time because everyone told me, well, mostly Kanye just told me he's the greatest musical genius ever. So I decided to see if he was right. And the thing is he is sort of good in that he has good taste in music. So he samples good songs, and then he makes them worse by singing on them.

So he even wrote a song with Paul McCartney. He wrote a couple songs. One is called Only One, which is really good. Kim Kardashian said it was her favorite Kanye song. It's her favorite Kanye song because Paul McCartney wrote it. And it sounds really good except for Kanye's awful voice. But I think that's the trouble. Maybe they have a good sense of music, but just they don't have any talent,

so it produces this garbage. But we'll have to tie that into maybe one of Andrew Claven's segments, Our Crappy Culture. Okay, panel of deplorables. Thank you for being here. Excellent to have you. Anne Brathie from the Daily Caller, his eminence, Paul Bois, coming to us from outside of time and space and also from the Daily Wire. Speaking of Andrew Claven, you've got to go over and check out our new narrative podcast.

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