The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 517 - Finally, Some Good News!

Episode Date: March 25, 2020

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The market jumps 2,000 points. Scientific studies show coronavirus hope on the horizon. A new drug is helping patients, and President Trump is calling for America to reopen by Easter Sunday. We will examine all the excellent news after weeks of apocalyptic headlines. Then the Trump administration announces the largest stimulus package in American history. We'll break down conservatives conflicting emotions on massive government spending. And finally, Bernie Sanders refuses to drop out of the race.

and Sleepy Joe somehow manages to deteriorate even further on national television. All that and more. I'm Michael Knowles, and this is the Michael Knowles show. What a good day it was yesterday. You know, it's so funny. There was such great news that came out on the scientific front, on the political front from President Trump. There's a real irony here, which is that when California went on lockdown, L.A. went on lockdown a little bit earlier. At the Daily Wire, they decided, okay, they're going to turn my apartment into a studio so that we can come.

comply with this lockdown. But my internet was so bad that they had to wait a little bit, you know, and we were just going to the studio. I'm not exactly afraid of this thing. So they are fixing up my apartment and everything. They finally get it ready to go. And then we get this great news. President Trump says he wants to reopen America by Easter. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. President Trump gave a town hall yesterday on Fox News. The thing was great. He's really shined in these press conferences. That's, I mean, as we know, President Trump is basically his own press secretary.

This is his superpower. You know, I mean, he's a reality TV star. He just knows how to work the cameras. And so he did this town hall yesterday. It really calmed a lot of fears. The market responded during the town hall. And he said we are almost ready to reopen America. You know, the allotted two weeks, but we'll stay a little bit longer than that.

But we want to get open very soon. I think that was a big reason it's gone up. I also think that the fact that the Senate and the House, we seem to be getting along as much as you can get along. We seem to be getting along now on a bill. I think that maybe had even less of an impact than the fact that we're opening up this incredible country because we have to do that. I'd love to have it open by Easter. Okay? I would love to have it open by Easter.

I will tell you that right now. I would love to have that at such an important day for other reasons. I'll make it an important day for this too. I would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter. This was an absolutely brilliant announcement for a few different reasons. First reason is the science. Okay, increasingly the evidence is showing that this virus, this pandemic, this epidemic, whatever you want to call it, has been hyped by the media.

Increasingly, science is showing that actually the mortality rate, might be significantly lower than we think they are. We'll get into why. I mean, these are not just crackpot theories. These are coming out of the top research institutions in the country. So that's one reason, is as the evidence is increasingly in favor of, let's get closer to normal, let's start bringing things back, President Trump is able to bring that to the American people. You know, he played this pretty cautiously for the last couple of weeks.

Now, however, he's got pretty solid footing to start to get the economy. going again. Second reason this was brilliant is it made news. You can hear it there. Bill Hemmer and Harris Faulkner are shocked. They're the ones interviewing Trump. And they said, what? Hold on. You're saying this is about to reopen at Easter? And they actually kept going back to that talking point throughout the town hall. And then later on, Trump was on Bill Hemmer's show. They kept going back to that. That was obviously the news of the day. Trump had that in his pocket. So he knew that was going to be the big story. But the third reason this is so smart to get this out here is the symbolism of it. We will get to that in one second. First, I got to thank our friends over at

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Trump is a guy who understands the power of symbols. He understands the power of visuals. The guy is a TV star. He's been a pop culture icon for 40 years at this point. Okay? If President Trump had had done this interview. And Bill Hemmer says,

okay, when do you think you're going to try to get things going again? He goes, well, I think maybe by April 12th, we'll start to get America back on the right track. No one would have paid any attention. Now, Easter is April 12th. But that date, it's just like, okay, well, all right, so a couple weeks from a nephew more than a couple weeks, and then we'll start to ramp up.

But Easter has significance. Right. Easter carries so much more meaning. Easter is a day associated with joy. You know, the nice holiday you spend with your family. Easter is a day associated with spring. Springtime is here, certainly by mid-April. That's happier time.

We're coming out of winter now. And most importantly, Easter is the day associated with resurrection. And right now, we've ground our economy. We've ground our whole country to a halt. We're locked in our apartments, doing nothing. And to have that image, that day of Easter is the day that we are going to break free. We are going to come back to life. That is so significant.

There is a strange coincidence here, or Providence maybe, that this epidemic has taken place during Lent. It pretty much began on Ash Wednesday, the beginning of this penitential season of Lent. And now, as some of us had predicted, it looks as though President Trump wants to end it, wants to bring us back to some sense of the normal by Easter, which would be the end of Lent. Makes a whole lot of sense. For it to end on Easter would be poetic, and it's really, really smart for Trump to bring it out that way. So that part of the conference went very well.

Why? Why does President Trump think that we'll be able to do this? Part of it is our testing has gotten a whole lot better. And so it's not only that our knowledge of the virus has gotten better, but our testing has gotten better, too. Dr. Birx, who's one of the health experts on the Trump coronavirus team, also broke this news during the town hall. I just want to speak to the Americans for just a second, though. We have to ensure that we still are testing, even though probably by today, we will have done more tests than South Korea did in eight weeks in the last eight days. In the last eight days, we've done more testing than South Korea. But we did that because we transformed the testing process as the president spoke to.

I didn't even know. I just heard the number for the first time from Deborah that in a short period of time, we've done more testing than South Korea. Now, you're not going to read that in the newspapers because they don't like to write things like that. But I'd love you to say that one more time because that's a big number. We've done more than South Korea in a short period of time. We're doing more now than South Korea by a lot. That's right. We're doing more than South Korea right now in the last eight days. Trump just knows the medium, right? It's the same principle as to why he announces that he wants to end this all on Easter.

He says the newspapers aren't going to report on this, but that's a big number. We are doing so much. So we're getting maybe a little bit conflicting signals, right? I actually don't think they're conflicting, but the mainstream press things that they are. On the one hand, Trump is saying we're taking this super duper seriously. We're doing so much testing, more testing than South Korea. We're sending ventilators to everybody. We're taking this seriously as possible.

Also, we're going to end this thing by Easter. Are those conflicting? I don't really think so. We'll get into why in just a moment. This is all great news. Question is, are we celebrating too soon? We've been told for weeks now that millions of Americans are going to die if we don't completely shut down the country. Now we're being told, not as big a deal, a couple more weeks, and we'll get this thing going again. Which is it? Well, you've heard on CNN and MSNBC in the New York Times from every health expert who says that, we're all going to die. Now some health experts are pushing back on that claim. One huge heavyweight in particular is weighing in. This would be the 2013 Nobel laureate Michael Levitt. Michael Levitt is a

Stanford biology professor, a celebrated scientist. He is saying that his models for the coronavirus do not support predictions that the virus will wreak months or even years of social disruption or cause millions of deaths. He said, quote, what we need is to control the panic. We are going to be fine. Okay, very helpful. Does he have credibility here? Yes. Michael Levitt accurately predicted what was going on in China. So his report on China said the country would peak in 80,000 cases and 3,250 deaths. What happened in reality? China reported 81,58 cases with 3,281 deaths. It gives you a lot of credibility here. He's saying, we're going to be fine. We don't need to panic. Is it just him? No. Two other professors of medicine,

coincidentally, also at Stanford, are coming on saying basically the same thing. So there's an amazing op-ed right now in the Wall Street Journal. headline is, is the coronavirus as deadly as they say? This is by Aaron Ben David and Jay Badakaria. From the top of the headline, it's true that the novel coronavirus would kill millions without shelter in place orders and quarantines. Then the extraordinary measures being carried out in cities and states around the country are surely justified. But there is a little evidence to confirm that premise and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high. So right, if the predictions that we're getting are true, then yeah,

of course we should lock down and shut down the country. But are the prediction models true? They have a lot of evidence to say that they're not. Fear of COVID-19 is based on high estimates of its case fatality rate. 2% to 4% of people with confirmed COVID-19 have died, according to the World Health Organization and others. So if 100 million Americans get the disease, 2 million to 4 million could die. Remember, that's what we were told at the beginning of all of this. You want to see two million Americans dead? You want to see more than two million Americans dead? Well, if not, you've got to shut down the country. We believe that estimate is deeply flawed. The true fatality rate is the portion of those infected who die, not the deaths from identified positive cases. So the point they're making is,

the point that we've started to hear a little bit more in the UK and elsewhere, which is that, hmm, maybe the number of people who have this virus, is a lot higher than we think it is. Because we're just looking at the percentage of people who get sick and they're so sick that they go to the doctor and then they get diagnosed and then either they recover or they don't recover. But what about people who just, you know, have mild symptoms, like a lot of young people and don't even get diagnosed with the virus?

How many people have you spoken to who said, you know, I think I had that virus about a month and a half ago? I think I told you that. I think I had the virus about a month and a half ago. I don't think that right now it's possible to test for antibodies. Otherwise, I would to see if I had it in the past. But if I did have it, I certainly didn't get diagnosed with it. So I would not be counted among the people who were infected.

And therefore, if a lot of people who were infected aren't counted, then the mortality rate is going to be much higher in the reports than it actually is. It says, it could make the difference between an epidemic that kills 20,000 and one that kills 2 million, of course. I mean, it just depends how many people are in the denominator, right? So the authors here, the Stanford scientists, use the example of this northeastern Italian town of Vaux

near the provincial capital of Padua. So on March 6th, every person in Vaux was tested, 3,300 people. They tested the entire population. 90 were positive, which means 2.7% of the population was positive. if you apply that prevalence to the entire population of the province, population there is 95,000, and they had 198 reported cases, that suggests that actually it wasn't 198 cases total,

it was closer to 26,000 infections at the time, which is 130-fold more than the actual cases reported. Now, Italy's fatality rate is 8% among those who have been diagnosed with the virus. But if you factor in this possibly much higher percentage of people who were infected, the fatality rate could be closer to 0.06%, which is what people were suggesting in the beginning when they were making comparisons to the flu. Really pleased to see op-eds like this coming out from people who, have some expertise in this field because so far, I think, a lot of public health experts who have disagreed with the prevailing alarmist consensus have kept their mouths shut because we've been told

that if you even suggest that the virus is not as bad as people say it is, that you're going to be responsible for deaths and encouraging people to go out and for killing people. But now you've got the Wall Street Journal, two major scientists saying it. You had the Yale scientist come out in the New York Times just the other day say basically the same thing. You have, you have this Nobel laureate, Michael Leavitt, come out saying basically the same thing. So you're getting a lot of dissenters on the scientific side. A lot of people saying, calm down.

And it's not just here in the U.S., the best scientific news recently is actually out of the UK. So initially, the U.K., when they were reacting to coronavirus, followed the more conservative model, conservative model being herd immunity. You take the people who are very at risk, immune compromised, pre-existing conditions, over 70, and you just say stay at home and don't talk to your grandkids and just quarantine yourself. The rest of us will go out, we will be in

the population, we'll be doing things, and some people will get the virus. The vast, vast, vast majority will be fine. A very, very, very tiny minority of people will have complications from this and be hospitalized. But then people will be immune. It will be. be much harder to pass this virus along, and this is what we've done for a lot of other public health issues. That was what they were doing initially. Then they changed their mind based on a study out of the UK's Imperial College. Now it turns out that study might be deeply flawed. We'll get to that in a second. First, I've got to thank our friends over at Raycon. You know how much I'd love. Raycon? Raycon has a brand new model out. The everyday E25 earbuds, they are the best earbuds yet. So you

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was based on what looks to be a possibly very flawed study from Imperial College. The Imperial College study predicted many thousands of deaths, even among young people. So you had the Boris Johnson conservative Tory government pursuing this herd immunity model where you're not going to shut down the entire economy, you're just going to quarantine the people who are at risk.

Then this study comes out and says, actually, Even the people that you think are healthy are not going to be healthy. They're going to be in serious trouble. Many thousands of young people are going to die. So Boris Johnson does the only thing he can do. He switches strategy into the shutdown strategy that we've got here in the United States. Now there's a new study out of Oxford, which says, much like these other ones, that the death projections are way off because the same reason.

They're significantly underestimating the number of people in the UK who, already have the virus. This is from the new study. Professor Gupta is the one who is writing this. She writes, if the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in one thousand of those infected with COVID-19 will become ill enough to need hospital treatment. She's a professor of theoretical epidemiology at Oxford. She led the study. The vast majority develop very mild systems, the symptoms, or no symptoms at all. So there's a chance you're walking around with this thing you don't even know. Actually, speaking of the UK, it turns out Prince Charles has been diagnosed with coronavirus.

And you think of this as like, oh my gosh, he's in the at-risk age group. The guy is going to die. The monarchy's in question. The palace reports he has mild symptoms. He's self-quarantining. Now, some people face serious symptoms, but a lot of people do not. Gupta said, I'm surprised that there has been such an unqualified acceptance of the imperial model. And that's not just imperial college's fault, that's the fault of all of us, and especially political activists and especially the mainstream media, who have looked consistently to the most alarming predictions and accepted those as gospel truth, rather than trying to take a more balanced look.

I mean, President Trump said at this town hall the other day, or yesterday, he said, we've never done this before. We've never shut down the country over a public health question. We've never shut down the world economy. Think about how many people died from H1N1 flu before we really did very much of anything about it. But we've reacted much more strongly to this coronavirus. Maybe the science doesn't back that up. Actually, there's even more good news, which is that the virus is apparently not mutating very much. Now, if the virus mutates, that means that drugs you develop to fight the virus are not going to be as effective at fighting the virus.

Also, if the virus mutates, it means that if you've already gotten it and you're immune, that you might not be immune forever, because you'll have a significantly different virus to fight off in the future. Luckily, this virus is not mutating very much, which means that the drugs might work and the immunity might hold. So that's the scientific front. What does this mean for Trump politically, both the virus and the apparently new response to the virus? Some experts are saying Trump is experts, I put in quotes, are saying that Trump is totally destroying his political goodwill here. I think it's exactly the opposite. We'll get to that in one second. First, I've got to thank our friends over at Ring.

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So initially, right, Trump says, hey, let's not overreact to this thing. Let's remain calm. Let's see what the science says. He had a decent approval rating on the virus. But then the approval rating started to fall as all of the stories about the virus killing millions of people started to come out. The virus didn't really kill millions of people, but the stories said that. that the virus would kill millions of people.

So his approval rating drops, people thought he wasn't taking it seriously enough. Then he starts taking it more seriously, and the approval rating goes up again. Well, okay, that's good. But now President Trump is saying, maybe we'll be back open for business by Easter, and his poll numbers are still doing very well.

How do you make sense of this? Gallup is showing his approval rating surging. 60% of Americans approve of Trump's handling of combating coronavirus. 60%. Now, that's Gallup. Gallup isn't always the friendliest poll to Trump.

49% overall approve of his job performance. That includes 94% of Republicans. 27% of Democrats, that's too bad. And 60% of independents, that's good. But what's important here is the movement. So among Democrats, his approval rating has gone up six points during coronavirus. Among independents, his approval rating

has gone up eight points during coronavirus. How is that? How is this happening? People want a president to take it seriously, but we don't want to shut down the entire economy. And I think Trump is thinking about one week ahead here. So one week ahead, this whole thing really stops being fun. You had last week massive unemployment claims, more unemployment claims than we saw at the peak of the 2009 financial crisis. We are going to see. that increase. I mean, just the other day, Marriott laid off another many, many thousands of people. So many businesses are laying off people, if not going at a business altogether. So Trump is looking ahead. People might have wanted him to take this virus super duper as seriously as humanly possible

a week ago. Is that going to be true? A week from now? Probably not especially if the new scientific information that's coming out all over the globe is accurate. They're not going to want to shut down the global economy if the mortality rate is as low as 0.06%. I mean, we don't do that for any other threat to our lives or safety or health, do we? We don't do that for the flu. We don't do that for car accidents. This in particular, for some reason, the mainstream media are pushing this. We'll get to why in just a moment. The other way you know that the tide is turning on coronavirus is that even some celebrities now are making fun of the reaction to coronavirus. So Ryan Reynolds, very funny Hollywood star,

he's come out and he is mocking all of these self-obsessed slackivists who are creating the hysteria. Well, thank you, Prime Minister Trudeau. We need to work together to flatten the curve and fight off COVID-19. I think in times of crisis, I think we all know that it's the celebrities that we count on most. They're the ones who are going to get us through this. Right after health care workers, of course.

first responders, people who work in essential services, ping pong players, mannequins, they're great, childhood imaginary friends, sure, like 400 other types of people. Look, stay at home, practice social distancing, wash your hands, we are going to get through this thing. We're going to get through this thing together and I'd like to nominate these three great Canadians to spread the word Mr. Stephen Page, Constable Terry Reynolds, of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, and Mr. Seth Rogan, of the Point Grey Rogans. All right, so this stands in stark contrast

to the Imagine video the other day of all those celebrities, some of whom I've never even seen before, singing Imagine, it's really sentimental and touchy-feely, and come on, guys. And Ryan Reynolds comes out, he goes, yeah, celebrities should shut up and wash your hands, okay, like, we'll be fine. All right, calm down.

This is all very promising news. Even if we start winding things down by Easter, though, that's still over two weeks away. Analysts right now are predicting 20% unemployment. Huge losses are happening right now. The market rebounded a lot yesterday, though right now it's unclear how the market's reacting. So, what are we going to do in the meantime? We're going to pass the largest economic stimulus package in history. Hmm, how should conservatives feel about that?

We tend not to love economic stimulus packages, should we get behind this one, which is truly the largest in history. We will break down what's going on. Then we'll get a little bit into the 2020 race. You remember the 2020 race? Me neither. It's been completely out of the news for a few weeks, and that's been very helpful to the Democratic 2020 contenders,

because the more you see of them, the less you like them. Maybe that's their strategy. We'll get to all of that, but first, got to head on over to dailywire.com. You know, we have launched this new show All Access Live, and I say it's a show. I mean, we turn on a webcam, that's what the show is, but this is for our all-access members, and during quarantine, we've been making this available

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This package will be the single largest Main Street assistance program in the history of the United States. The single largest Main Street assistance program in the history of the United States. Phase two delivered the sick leave for individuals, hourly workers, families, and so forth. Phase three, a significant package for small businesses. Loan guarantees will be included. We're going to take out expenses and lost revenues. As the President said, eligibility requires worker retention. We will maintain the people eligible will maintain their payrolls during this crisis period.

And on top of that, we will have direct deposit checks of roughly $3,000 for a family of four, and that will bridge to enhanced plus-up unemployment insurance benefits. That will essentially take those up to four. wages. You know, there's a Yiddish expression, which I can't pronounce because I don't speak Yiddish, but I can give you the English translation. The expression is, if you're going to eat pork, eat it till your mouth drips. If you're going to eat pork, enjoy it. And I think that's what's going on with this stimulus package. Republicans don't love stimulus packages, okay? We don't want to be in the position where we've got to pass stimulus packages. We like the economy

to hum along until three weeks ago we had the best economy in the history of the world. Now Republicans are forced into this position where we have to put a stimulus package out there because of totally bizarre circumstances. And so there are two ways to do it. Either you can do a tepid stimulus that's very small, and you do it kind of reluctantly, or you can pass the biggest stimulus package in history, make sure it has some impact, and if you're going to eat pork, you're going to enjoy it. This thing is massive, okay?

It includes $2 trillion in direct assistance. it includes another $4 trillion in Federal Reserve lending power. So the overall effect of the stimulus package is about $6 trillion. Now, I guess the silver lining here is that $4.5 trillion of this stimulus package isn't lending. It's not in just direct payouts, so I guess that's a good thing. Still, what should conservatives think about this? Remember when we hammered Barack Obama over his stimulus package in 2009? Remember when we hammered him on that for like 10 years?

now we are passing a much larger stimulus package. Still, these are different situations. Conservatives should always be skeptical of these massive government interventions. Conservatives should always be skeptical of direct checks from the government to the people. But this is fundamentally different from the 2009 financial crisis. Okay, in the 2009 financial crisis, the financial institutions that got bailed out were very often responsible for the crisis in the first place. So not all the time. In some cases, the government was responsible for putting financial institutions in a position where they had to make decisions that were not very wise.

But in other cases, these big financial institutions just knew that they would get bailed out. So it was not a fair market. It wasn't a fair market. It wasn't a fair. fair gamble. It's like going to a casino and saying you're going to play and then if you win money, then you're going to take the money out of the casino and if you lose money, the casino's got to pay. That's what these financial institutions were doing. And so the bailout really irritated a lot of people. This is different here. The people who are getting bailed out are not to blame at all for what's going on right now. Coronavirus is to blame. China is to blame, but not the individuals who are going to get bailouts.

and not the businesses we're going to get bailouts. These businesses and individuals were doing just fine and dandy. We had the best economy ever in the history of the world. And then this damned virus comes out of communist China, and China covered it up for so many weeks that it's spread throughout the entire world. And all of a sudden, the government comes in and says, you've got to shut down your business, you can't make any more money.

You can't leave your apartment. That's not their fault. I mean, if the government is going to come in and do that and force the economy to shut down, then the government has some responsibility to make up the difference. here. People got to eat. People got to live. How are we going to do that?

One possibility for how to recover from this total shutdown is to force basically waiters and bartenders and people who are a little more vulnerable in the economy than big bankers to foot the entire bill. Right? The alternative, I mean, retail workers, right? These are the people

who are being laid off. of people who are being most hurt by the crisis, to say nothing of the restaurants and the retail stores. So you can either force them to pick up the whole brunt of it, or we can all pick up some of the brunt of it. And we can all pick it up through our duly elected representatives, who we put into office, who are passing this bailout package. Cudlow explains this theory here in pretty simple terms. Strong workforce requires strong business. You can't have a job without a business to work for. And the hope here is that the companies that are operating very, very much very well at the beginning of the year when the economy was in good shape, we will help them

and their employees get through this tough period so they will come out the other side, let's say this later this spring or summer, and we'll continue their operations. That's the key point. All right, I really like Larry Kudlow and I really like what he's saying here. Unlike the Democrat bailouts in 2009, there's no class warfare here. Democrat bailouts any of the time, right? Even as the Democrats are passing this big bailout, they're talking about the 1% and how evil the rich people are and the financial people. Larry Cutlow is not doing that. He's not vilifying the business owners, on the one hand. He's not vilifying the low-wage workers, on the other hand. Remember Mitt Romney's 47%.

Mitt Romney said 47% of Americans are basically leeches. And that was filmed and probably cost him the presidency. certainly didn't help his campaign. Larry Kudlow is not doing either of this. He's saying, hey guys, this thing happened, totally unexpected, came out of nowhere. We got to help the workers. If we're going to help the workers, we also have to help the businesses

because you can't be a worker if you don't have a business that you can work for. He's just calling it like it is. Now, there's a lot of other stuff in this bailout as well. There are tax deferrals for corporations and individuals. I really like that. They're pushing the tax debt.

deadline. There's student loan deferrals. That's probably a smart idea, especially now if students aren't able to even go to class for the next six months or something. A lot of schools have shut down for the rest of the year. They're not coming back until the fall. So it makes sense, I think, to defer those student loans. Do we need the bailout? Probably. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I mean, we ground the entire national economy to a halt artificially, and we can't just let all of those businesses collapse. If this had been a normal, regular part of the economic cycle, then there's a very strong argument to let things play out as they will. But this was not normal at all. There's nothing normal about coronavirus. The most important takeaway, I think,

from all of this is we need to recognize that coronavirus has a cost. Okay, the days that you've gotten off from work, those have a cost. Those don't just come from nowhere. not dealing tougher with China in the past, allowing ourselves to get hooked on cheap Chinese goods and allowing China to manufacture our medicine for the past however many years, that has a cost. Okay, open borders has a cost. We are now paying for that cost. And the question is, who's going to bear it? Is it going to be these waiters and bartenders, or are we all going to bear it?

Probably we're all going to bear it. So overall, this was a great day yesterday for President Trump. Great day for the markets. I think it was the single largest market gain ever. Market rose over 2,000 points. It was just a great day for America. So now we see the light at the end of the tunnel. We need to turn our attention to that other minor political matter.

Perhaps you've forgotten about it, the 2020 presidential election. I'm sure you've forgotten about it because it's been completely out of the news during coronavirus. Joe Biden mostly has this election locked up, doesn't he? And yet Bernie Sanders is going to remain. in the race. Bernie could have dropped out weeks ago, but he chose not to. And I told you that he wouldn't drop out. He wouldn't drop out because he's an ideological candidate. This is his last serious shot at it. He could try to run again when he's 82. No one will take him seriously. Now they actually are taking him seriously. The other reason is Joe Biden is just physically collapsing.

I mean, the guy is falling apart. So Bernie yesterday, well, my voice just cracked. Maybe I have coronavirus. Bernie yesterday, I get so excited about 2020, he holds his own town hall while President Trump holds his town hall. But Bernie Sanders is not the president. Bernie Sanders is never going to be the president. So Trump's town hall, energetic, on point, focused, made some news, funny. It was a really good performance. Bernie Sanders's town hall was not quite like that. Here's a quick peak at Bernie's Town Hall. I struggle with biology in college, so it's going to manifest itself now. But I can understand that somebody who has the virus sneezes in the face of somebody else.

You cough in somebody's face. The virus is transmitted. How is it transmitted if I'm simply in a room, somebody has the virus but is not coughing, is not sneezing? How could it be transmitted in that situation? Oh man, give me the virus. Put me out of my misery with this town hall. It was very boring.

It was rambling. It seemed a little bit fearful. He didn't seem in command of the room. It was not a good performance. And yet Bernie's going to remain in the race because Joe Biden is doing somehow even worse. Joe Biden was on ABC. He was on the political view. Broadcasting, I take it from his home because I think he's quarantining himself.

Because Joe Biden is very much. at the at-risk age group. He is asked about the cure, and he forms a sentence that made it seem like he doesn't want a cure for coronavirus. Like, it'd be better not to cure coronavirus. But really, I don't think you could even decipher what he meant because it wasn't anything resembling proper English. Hot topics, we talked about Trump saying the government would reassess the recommended

period for keeping businesses shut and people at home. Are you at all concerned, as Trump said, that we cannot let the cure of? be worse than the problem itself? We have to take care of the cure. That will make the problem worse no matter what. We have to take care of the cure. That will make the problem worse no matter what. Yeah, that's the guy I want in charge

during a global pandemic. Yeah, oh man, it'd be so much better. We'd be handling this so much better if that guy were in charge. In Joe's defense, he probably woke up five minutes before this interview. This does not look like a guy who is running for president.

This does not look like a guy who's running for mayor. This looks like a guy who's been retired from politics for a very long time and barely knows where he is. And it isn't just this one flub. It isn't just the millions of flubs we saw before. He kept it up. Same topic. Same time period.

Same living room that he's broadcasting from. He goes on MSNBC. I almost crawled out of my skin from how awkward the interview was. And now all of a sudden he is being tough on China. He's making sure. And now he's being soft on his xenophobia in the past. So I just can't figure the guy. It's like, I don't know, it's like watching a yo-yo.

I shouldn't have said it that way. It's like watching that way. I want to ask, I want to. That's okay. Ah. Oh my God. And the girl on MSNBC is obviously in the tang for Biden. or she's trying to make this nice and normal.

She's, oh, Joe, yeah. No, you're right. He's like a yo-yo or what? And Joe knows that that's not a particularly effective talking point. So he stopped himself, no, oh, no, I shouldn't have said that. What did I mean to say? What channel am I on? Where's my...

Where am I? Where am I? He has this other problem in his campaign, which, obviously, he just seems very old. but that puts him in the position of only reacting to Trump. So his whole campaign from the very beginning was started on this lie that Donald Trump called Nazis, very fine people at Charlottesville. Never happened. Go to the tape.

But he started on that lie and he started it in just pure opposition to Trump. There's no argument to vote for Joe Biden. There's only an argument to vote against Donald Trump. But the politics of opposition doesn't usually work very well. You know, in every presidential election in recent memory, the more campaign, the more campaign. charismatic candidate has won, has beaten the less charismatic Canada. Trump beat Hillary, right? Obama beat Romney. Obama beat John McCain. George W. Bush beat John Kerry. George W. Bush beat Al Gore. Bill Clinton beat Bob Dole. Bill Clinton beat George Bush the first. So Joe Biden, if he's just

nothing, if he's just the absence of Trump, he's not going. to fare very well. He even says it in this interview. He says, I just, I don't know, I can't figure the guy. He's, I can't, right. If you're in the position of trying to figure or not figure the guy, then that makes you a political pundit. That does not make you the person who is going to defeat the guy in a presidential election. Joe can't even cough right. He's not even coughing right. And he was doing an interview on CNN, and he coughed, hacked up a lung into his hand. And CNN's Jake Tapper, no conservative, Jake Tapper, of all people, actually called him out for it. I've not talked to any individual.

Excuse me. You know, you're supposed to cough into your elbow. I don't know, sir. I learned that actually covering your White House. No, actually, that's true. But fortunately, I'm alone in my home, but that's okay. All right. I agree.

You're right. Excuse me. It's kind of old school to do it with your hand. Do it into your elbow. You're supposed to do it. Jake Tapper won't even let it go. This actually, it seems like a minor point. This is actually a pretty telling comparison here between

Joe Biden and Donald Trump. So Joe Biden coughing into his hand on TV is very similar to Trump at the press conference on public health, shaking everybody's hand. Remember that? He said, don't shake hands. Then he shakes everybody's hand. Both of them got called out for it. And in Trump's case, he owned up to it.

He said, oh, yeah, it's a hard habit to break. You're a politician. You shake people's hands. But I shouldn't do it. We're all learning not to do it. Cool. Fair enough. Joe Biden gets called out for coughing into his hand. He goes, well, actually, it's fine. Actually, it's really good that I coughed into my hand. actually I'm smart and I'm doing what I should be doing.

Just say like, dude, just say it's force of habit and you didn't mean to do it. Biden's making excuses. Total lib move. So, of course, Bernie Sanders is not getting out of the race. This is the guy he's running against. And there is a fair chance that Joe just doesn't have the stamina to make it to the nomination. The left is furious right now because they've got this awful candidate for president who somehow even amidst a serious economic crisis and a global pandemic.

still almost certainly can't beat Donald Trump. So they're furious about all the good news. It now seems like it is an active effort to prolong the coronavirus epidemic. You know, the Nevada governor, Steve Sizzelak, is now banning hydroxychloroquine, which is the only drug, apparently, that has shown any promise of treating coronavirus. He's now banned it for coronavirus patients. Anecdotally, it hasn't gone through clinical trials, but anecdotally it's helped coronavirus patients. but he's banned it.

Based on a bogus excuse that a guy died from taking the drug. But the guy didn't die from taking the drug. A guy died from taking fish tank cleaner that happened to have part of the drug in it along with a lot of other poisons. Total nonsense. But they're banning it, I think, because they want to drag this thing out. Democratic governors are now calling for weeks and weeks and months and months more shutdowns, even if that is not necessary, even in the opinion of the public health

experts. Why? Because they want to keep this economy shut down through November, so it helps them politically. Nancy Pelosi did her damned best to stop relief for the coronavirus. She did as best she could to torpedo this stimulus bill. Why? Democrats love stimulus bills. They love government spending. They love direct checks to Americans, right? Doesn't matter because she knows it's going to help. And so she wants to prolong the misery. Okay, that's fine. They can try to get that political advantage. Unfortunately for them, the good news is apparently right around the corner. We've already gotten a little bit of it, and it looks like the future is promising. So let's bring it on. And let's hope that it continues all the way until Easter. Get your Mount Bad Questions in. I'll see you tomorrow. I'm Michael

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