The Michael Knowles Show - Friendly Fire: Run Hide Fight: Infidels, Useful Idiots, and the Jihadi Coup

Episode Date: September 16, 2026

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1315 years after the Battle of Covedonga, when the Muslims invaded Iberia and attempted to conquer all of Europe, we are releasing Run-Hide Fight infidels. This is Friendly Fire. Friends like these, who needs enemies of friends like D. I was hoping we'd get for the intro for this episode, one of those like calls to prayer from the minarets. Like, oh, anyway, I hope, dear audience, we've roped you in with this riveting, urgent covodanga discourse. But we're not just talking about ancient history. No, no.

We're talking about Daily Wire's new movie. If you have not subscribed, shame on you. Shame on you. What are you thinking? You go to Dailywire.com slash subscribe so that you can see the movie that Variety is writing about. You can see that we'll get to the variety review. You'll see the movie that Slate is calling deranged,

and they don't know the half of it. If you haven't seen the trailer, here it is. Your country is beneath contempt. We who love and serve Allah fought back against the Americans and the Zionists from the scourge of secularism and the lands of unbelief. I'm going to listen to Captain Saunders tomorrow. The retired Delta Force soldier with a new book out.

He's the polar officer, those brain dead people. Protester. Given the current climate, should place Saunders to even be allowed on campus. Mr. Saunders is a close personal friend of Chancellor Friedman. This is a decision I cannot fly. There are three ways Islam will conquer the West. Through immigration, through the wombs of our women, and by using our nation's freedoms against us. Are you paying attention? Honoloktu. Listen carefully.

The great Satan, America will... will fall. You are infidels. The bodies of women are not pure and the men's souls are unclean. What makes them so dangerous? Their goals are not in this life, but the next. We got friends here, I can't just... They listen to me!

In the law! We cannot run or hide from what is coming. We have to fight. I will be rewarded 10,000 times in the next life. When you die, You're nothing. Only one way to find out. That's the American way.

Now, I know that was pretty subtle. So for those of you who didn't get the subtext of what was going on, a bunch of Muslims take over school with the help of the leftist students. Variety is calling this movie Islamophobic. Matt, would you like to respond and correct the record? Great to be with you guys, by the way. And it's always quite burdensome to be. be with all of you. That's not the word I wanted. I'm sorry. Look, I think it is, it's very

Islamophobic. And I think we can embrace that. If Islamophobia, if that's even a word that means anything, then sure, let's embrace that. I think that the, look, the promise of the Daily Wire has always been, or the pitch has always been, well, we're going to make movies that you can't get anywhere else. We're going to make the movies that no one else will make. We'll make the movie like Netflix won't make, Amazon won't make. And one thing you could certainly say about this movie, having seen it myself, of course, is that it definitely fulfills that problem. This is certainly one, you're not going to find this on Netflix. So you literally can't go anywhere else to find this movie or anything like it. And that's reason enough to go to go check it out, I'd say.

Yeah, I would say in the fevered dreams of Charles Martel himself, you probably wouldn't see this movie. I think, you know, Pope Pius the Tense. would say like, hey, guys, slow your roll a little bit. This is a little heavy-handed on the old Muslims, but it's not just the Muslims, it's also the purple-haired liberal students who have a very strange alliance that a lot of us have been talking about for a long time. And Ben, you've been calling attention to for many years. Yeah, I mean, obviously, the movie is, I would say sort of a mashup of like red dawn and blazing saddles, but about radical Muslims. And so it's a lot of fun. It's awesome. For the people who have not seen it yet today, or you should

go subscribe and watch it right now. By the way, we should say, Run Hyde Fight was our most successful movie release ever at The Daily Wire. Our day one numbers on Run Hyde Fight infidels are doubling the numbers that we did on the original Run Hyde Fight. So already, tons and tons of people are watching it. And the reviewers are hating it, and yeah, they're calling it Islamophobic. Again, these are the same reviewers who were saying that one battle after another needed to win Best Picture Oscar, which was just a radically anti-American piece of crap about how America was a white supremacist country and murdering federal officers was an active good. And so, you know, what this movie is is it's about the red green alliance, really. It could have been called useful idiots. Basically, you have a bunch of blue-haired

liberal protesters who are taking over the college campus, obstructing events, and all the rest, and they are used by their Islamist friends in order to take over the campus. Things don't go right for them, I would say, from there on in, as has been historically the case. And, you know, people are focusing on the politics of the thing, but the reason that I'm kind of mashing up the red dawn with the blazing saddles of it, is because there is a fairly serious point here that I think Slate was best, the ones called the deranged. The reason they said it was deranged is because they said that we took an evil glee in portraying what exactly would happen to the blue-haired liberals if radical Muslims took over a campus. And that's not evil glee, that's just called

realism. Like in the real world, all of the queers for Palestine go off buildings in an Islamic state-run area. And that's one of the points that I think the film makes it, it an entertaining fashion, but, I mean, it, again, but there, you know, the thing is, though, Ben, there are also some knocks on the Muslims in the movie, too. Like, yes, it does portray some of their best attributes, but it also shows the bad stuff, I think, right? Wow. Wow. Wow. But, yes, I mean, the basic idea, again, is that, again, Slate was very angry at us for showing ISIS doing ISIS things. Like, they're very upset at it,

at us for that. And I believe that it was Slate that actually went and quoted a top member of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, which is a group that was founded by legitimate like Muslim Brotherhood offshoots to talk about why it's so Islamophobic. And the whole conversation about Islam versus Islamophobic, Islamist, Islamism, which modifier we're supposed to use. Can we just like put it out there that Islam as a global force, as Samuel Huntington one said, has bloody borders and bloody innards? And that were there to be mass Muslim migration to the West, it would be a bad thing. And we know this because it already happened and it hasn't been awesome. Yeah, you know, one of my favorite rights.

The Catholic conservative types, every time they quote anybody, it's either Chesterton or Hilaire Belloc, you know, those are the great 20th century polemicist writers. And Belloc totally called this. He had this book on the Crusades where he says, we lost the Crusades, the Muslims won because we lost at Damascus. And so as a result, Islam is solid, and it's the West that's weaker. And he's writing this in the 1930s when it looked like Islam was kind of dead as a major world force. And he said, You guys are crazy. I mean, nobody is more to the right of Hilaire Belaw, basically, that's ever lived. And he said, you guys are crazy. Islam is going to reassert itself. And it's going to happen sooner than later. And it did. It started to happen again in the 1970s, obviously 2001, and it's continued since then. So, you know, I'm delighted that we're really doubling and tripling down on the hardcore, you know, message here. The other thing I really like, look, I love a lot of the DW movies. but we now have a male lead. I don't know.

We've had a lot of chicks in the movies. We have a male lead. This is, to your point, Ben, it is, it's like Red Dawn with a bunch of Muslims added to, turned up to 11. Get a real kick out of it. So if you haven't subscribed,

if I haven't showed this enough for you yet, Dailywire.com slash subscribe. You get the message. It goes great with a Mayflower cigar. It goes well, though, even without a Mayflower cigar. Is it this line that we, I mean, I made the joke about careers for Palestine,

but a lot of people are scratching their heads. How is it the case? that the, you know, purple-haired tranny would team up with the Islamists or whatever. It does kind of make some sense to me, though. I don't know, Drew, is it just, they're all just dumb and they don't realize that the Muslims don't like them or something? No, you know, the funny thing about that variety review, just like it's excoriated us, they start out the first sentence is this is more of an epic troll than a creative endeavor. Now, in a world where people like variety own, have a stranglehold on the culture,

an epic troll is the best creative endeavor you can do. I mean, we've been doing epic trolls at this place since the Daily Wire began, and they've had tremendous effects. The movie is hilarious throughout. I don't understand why it's wrong to show what radical Muslims would do to the people who are queers for Palestine and women for Palestine. I don't see why that is anything but a very, a perfectly good piece of satire. I have to reveal, I don't want to give anything away from the movie. I laughed throughout the movie. I thought it was really funny, totally over the top.

There's one scene in this picture where an American of South Korean descent who is into brewing alcohol, and he's seen throughout the movie studying brewing alcohol and talking about brewing alcohol, he's faced with a tremendous challenge in a computer where he has to dismantle a terrible thing that's going to happen through this computer. He's doing it. His girlfriend says to him, why do you know how to do this? And he says, I'm Asian. I just thought

I thought we're not supposed to be taking this entirely serious this is a movie is kidding around from the first line and on top of that while it's getting around I thought the action sequences

were pretty good you know I thought the action sequences were gripping and scary and I so I thought it did its job and as as Ben says blazing saddles you know and red dawn why not you know why would you not do that

so I don't understand why the people I don't understand why the people who gave an Oscar to a movie in which conservatives are portrayed as sexual perverts and white supremacists can't take a joke. I'm shocked that they can't take a joke. Right. No, you know, our pal Dallas-Soneyer who produced the film and who has made a lot of Daily Wire content

and a lot of many films before he was at the Daily Wire, Dallas-Soneyer is a maestro of violence. He is maybe the leading connoisseur of on-screen violence working today. And so you get that, too. It's not all just funny. There are some really phenomenal acting sequences in it, or sorry, action sequences in it. But I do want to get to the point because a lot of people seem to think the kind of purple-haired, queers for Palestine, they're just dummies.

You know, if they ever opened up the Quran, if they ever read a history book, they would know that Islam is really violent. And I want to give them more credit than that. I think they kind of know that. I think they just, the radical left is very disordered, and they're in the thrall, to bad ideologies and possibly Satan. I'm not even really being hyperbolic. And so I think they just realize that they have a common enemy, that they and the radical Muslims,

though they disagree in a lot of particulars, they have a common enemy, which is Christian civilization and America and, I don't know, white people and men and whatever. And so they're willing to team up with them, and anything that we oppose, they want to support. Is that too reductive a reading? I don't think it is at all.

It really is that simple. And I think that the movie does a pretty good job of showing this. Now, in the movie, because a lot of it's to comedic effect, so a lot of the leftists in the film are portrayed as the more oblivious types. Like they don't really understand what they're getting themselves into. And there is an element of truth to that. I think there's some, I think that maybe at the kind of low level among the kind of the grunts on the left, maybe they don't quite understand it. But at a higher level, they certainly do. It's a strategic alliance. I think you're right, Michael.

It's actually pretty simple in that they, the left that is, hates Western civilization. They hate, you know, they hate white people in particular. They hate Christians. And they see Islam, and they see we have a shared enemy. They see Islam as a destructive force, something that seeks to destroy Western civilization. And it's really that simple. I mean, we know on the left, we talk about it all the time, that it's not as though it's not as though they necessarily have the best plan for rebuilding on the other side.

They're not quite as worried about that. This is a destructive force. And that's why I always say we call it progressive, progressivism. I think some people on the right don't like that term because they say, well, it's not really progress. I like the term because it's progressive in the sense that cancer is progressive. It progresses in the same way. And to the same end, like cancer doesn't have an intention necessarily. for what it does after it kills you. It just kills you. And it's the same thing for the left.

And they see Islam as a tool for that. They see mass migration from the third world generally as a tool for that. And you know, something they're right. It is. You know, it's that simple. And there is that commonality of just being a destructive force. I say this as so like, I guess I'm Islamophobic in the sense that I think Islam is just contrary to our civilization and they've been trying to conquer us for roughly 1,400 years. And it's ultimately just an incompatible world system. And one of us is going to prevail and one of us is going to lose, at least in the fight over the West. So I think that. But I agree with Dante, who hasn't yet come up on this show for some reason, who has a kind of grudging respect for like Saladin, the great Muslim in the Crusades, who, you know,

he puts him with the virtuous pagans. And so you see this in a lot of crusade literature, like the the Song of Roland and those kinds of poems. There's this kind of grudging respect for Islam while recognizing that they are intent on our destruction. There's a lot of liberal propaganda about the Muslim conquest of Spain, of Iberia, in which they say, well, it was this thriving multicultural civilization and, you know, it was just very diverse.

And that's not really what happened. They came over, they enslaved, they conquered, they killed tens of millions of Christians and enslaved them. And really, they just, the great triumphs of that civilization was just the Muslims kind of using the Spanish and Western goods that had already existed. So I think there is a commonality too in that Islam has brought a lot of destruction. It's spread through destruction. It hasn't synchronized with the West.

It hasn't grown anything out of the West. And the same could be said to your point, Matt, of the Left. The Left is very, very good at destroying things. The left is not so good or really in any way concerned with building. things. But I do fear people are going to take from our commentary that the movie is like a little too nuanced,

a little too subtle, a little too kind of hard to get. So just in case you want to more accurately understand what the movie is about, here is a Muslim kicking a homosexual off a roof. You both did your part in our conquest and for this I am saying. Your government

kills people all over the world. They celebrate it. You only cared when they look like you. America destroyed our original glorious caliphate. And they tortured and imprisoned our Caliph. But they could not kill our spirit. Our purpose transcends the things of this world. We just...

...didn't expect so much death. We have killed the right amount to instill fear. Many we let run so they could tell others of our strength in the remaining ones or... Piano keys. I expected more resistance. But I should not be surprised. So many in your country cannot even be bothered to produce children,

but this is a day that you will tell yours about. We're not... We won't have kids. I like everyone. And Bruce... I'm gay. I want to address this. I want to address this. Wait a minute. As someone who has kicked many homosexuals, although we were in chorus lines,

at the time, I just want to say that along with what Walsh is saying about common enemies and things like this, there's this wild, wild atmosphere of imaginary life on the left that I can't, I've never quite been able to get over. In one of the reviews, I think it may have also been the variety review, they shake their finger at us because we don't have the empathy to sympathize with land acknowledgments, you know, with saying, oh, this land belonged to the Chippewa or whatever. And I, and I've always felt like I will sympathize with those acknowledgments the minute, at the end of it, they give the land back to the Comanches. You know, whatever they, when they say this campus was once owned by, you know, the Chippewas, and from now on, we're giving classes out on the sidewalk because we're letting them come back and hunt Buffalo through the campus. You know, then I'll agree with it, but it's all fantasy.

And we saw it was all fantasy in Martha's Vineyard when the illegals came in and it was like, ooh, you know, we didn't quite mean that much. We didn't quite want you here. You know, it's all this imaginary life that they live. And they can't stand that you make fun of it because it exposes it for what it is, which is vapor. Can I just say that I do, on that scene, I feel like the gay guy didn't have to tell him. He should have just kept that to himself.

When I was watching that scene, I find myself rooting for the left a little bit. I'm like, don't keep it. You don't have to tell him. You don't have to tell him this. Just keep it to yourself. If he couldn't tell from the voice, you don't have to tell him. You know, he's clearly a little oblivious. You know, it was a mistake.

It was a tactical mistake. I think we can all admit it was a tactical mistake for him to say something about it at that time. But, you know, one of the things that you were saying, Michael, earlier, where you were saying it, I think now was saying it too, that we're not sure, like, how dumb some of the members of the left are or how much they understand this. So I use, as my case in point, of them being just stupid, the actual reviewer for variety, who it seems may have actually attended the protest in the movie. Here is a line from the actual,

it is a line from the actual review, quote, are you contemptuous of radical leftists who believe that others should be treated with decency, care, and respect? If so, this is the film for you. So I have to say, first of all, the notion that radical leftists are just wonderful people who believe that others should be treated with decency,

care, and respect is such a bunch of horsesheds. I mean, it's just something. But it's how they perceive themselves, right? right, some of the cruelest people, some of the most destructive people, you know, people who would, for example, be chortling it up on TikTok over Charlie Kirk getting assassinated or something, right? Those people are the people who just want others to be treated with decency and care and respect. And that's why they're protesting in favor of Hamas in Gaza or why on 9-11, they're reading Osama bin Laden's letters and finding some, it's just because they're so empathetic.

And how dare we make fun of those people? Like, again, if you really feel the empathy for the Islamic terrorist, then yeah, you're kind of suicidal. And we actually have seen world historically, the circumstance actually play out. I mean, this was the story of the 1979 revolution in Iran. It was not just a bunch of radical Muslims. It was also communists. And the communists and the radical Muslims came together pretty openly and overthrew the Shah, at which point the communists turned to the Muslims and said, let's govern together. And the Muslim said, we're going to execute literally all of you, which they then proceeded to do. And so, again, you know, we tend to think, I think that maybe we're projecting our understanding of them onto them.

I'm not sure they even self-understand some of them, particularly the kids on college campuses who are mostly dumb as a rock. I mean, maybe that's me being actually too flattering for them. Maybe they truly understand the nature of what it is that they are allying with. But I think what they figure is that those people they're allying with will never be fully victorious. In the end, will be the ones who are driving the car. And I just think that they don't understand that in the end, they will not be driving

any car at all, particularly if they are women. Yeah, well, this line, too, where they, the variety guys, is getting to it where he says, you know, that we just want to be compassionate and caring. And the line that you're seeing the Dems trot out on the campaign trail now is, you're calling us radicals. Our radicalism is that we want to give people health care. That's the new spin doctor line. They're all reciting it. And it falls so flat for anyone paying attention because they're saying they just want to give you health care as, to your point, Ben, they're making TikTok celebrating Charlie's assassination. Or not just to rely on the anecdote. Or,

they are responding to pollsters and saying that 25 to 28% of very liberal respondents or leftists under the age of 45 justify political violence, killing otherwise innocent conservatives just because of what they believe. They are very violent. I mean, this is a commonality between the left and the Muslims right now that is really overlooked. We give the left too much of a pass on it. Even the Atlantic had to come out a few months ago and say that left-wing terrorism is the chief problem with political violence right now. And by the way, they're relying on data sets that still exclude most left-wing violence, that actually exclude an Antifa attack on one of my very own speaking events. So I caught it just because I was looking for that one incident. And then you look,

the BLM violence is not counted in these data sets. So even taking out most of the left-wing violence, still most of the political violence is coming here from the left. And so there is a real commonality with that. And I think the left has to grapple with it because they're going to try to downplay the Hassan Piker of it all. They're going to say, oh, that was just one candidate in Maine. It was just Abdul Al-Said. Or it was just AOC campaigning

with Hassan Piker. Or it was Bernie Sanders. All of a sudden, the list is pretty long to campaign with a guy who says America deserves 9-11, who says he wipes himself with the American flag who called for the murder of two Republican senators and who fantasized about personally murdering Charlie Kirk

before one of his fellow travelers actually did it. But the violence is a major, major problem here. And we just give them a pass for it. I don't know, I see a huge commonality between the two sides. I mean, I think that that commonality is something we're trying to point out and run high-fighted infills.

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when you tell the joke Michael you'll do the same thing Drew this happens to you legitimately all the time every day and so the reviews are like why isn't this a nuanced to drama about the necessities and desires of Muslims in America facing down predations of the United States and why why don't you treat the left with nuance like when was the last action movie from 1992, where you got like a nuanced view of the good guys and the bad guys. Let's just be clear. One battle after another, which again is the one that I'm going to come back to because it won best picture last year.

Okay. One battle after another is the least nuanced movie in the history of film. It makes this movie look like an Ingmar Bergman presentation. I mean, truly, one battle after another is just a botchery of a film. It is a full scale of propaganda effort on behalf of the hard left that glorifies the murder of federal agents treats the leadership of the United States as the So they're polo shirt wearing, golfing, full-scale white supremacists who also have sexual fetishes for black women.

And that, and also there's like an underground railroad of illegal immigrants run by the only competent person in the movie Benetio D'Otoro. And that's that one best picture. So don't give me that this movie isn't subtle enough for your taste. It just doesn't agree with your view of the world. And that's why you're actually super pissed about it. And listen, I think we're all very grateful for them for saying the quiet part out loud about their hatred of the politics of the film.

They then try to hide behind, oh, well, we don't like. the quality of the film. You don't care about the quality of the film. You care about the politics of the film because the film is just, it is funny and it is entertaining. And I promise, you're going to enjoy it with your friends and your family when you watch. I wouldn't recommend watching it with a 10-year-old, but certainly with a 15 or 16-year-old, you're going to have a good time with it. Yes, you could watch it with your husband. You could watch it with your brother in the case of Ilhan Omar, who might well have appeared in the movie. Obviously, that would be the same person. The one, The one real heart.

I want to follow up on a point you made before, though, because I think it actually is kind of important. You know, I think everybody on this panel, I know Ben has, and he's such an evil Jewish guy, you know, we've all talked about the fact that they're wonderful Muslim people and all that. But those aren't the people that the left elects when they elect people to lead in this country.

I mean, the mayor of New York is a Jew-hating terrorist sympathizing piece of garbage. And Abdul al-Sahid is not that far behind. In fact, he may actually outstrips or amman Dani. So these are not the people they're actually elevating. You know, they're not elevating the people that they would like us to acknowledge. And I acknowledge them. But they're elevating the people in the film. They're electing, they're looking at this movie and saying, that's a terrible, terrible depiction of a Muslim. That's elect a mayor of New York. That would be a great idea. Yeah, right. So I don't even know what they're complaining. Right. They're not like, I like the Islamic grocer on whatever block. is in New York or the cab driver or whatever. But that's not the guy that they're promoting. And it's also,

by the way, not just the fringe. I mean, it's important to point out that we are seeing this show up in the elections. But even, you know, the movie obviously presents these kind of dumb college kids with the crazy hair, queers for Palestine, and then the radical jihadi types. And you say, okay, well, you guys are just talking about fringes. Again, don't forget, the leading thought leader on the left, such as it is, as it were, is Hassan Piker. I don't know. I don't. I don't think that's an exaggeration. I think he's the guy. He's the guy that the Democrat candidates look to. He's the biggest streamer on the left. And he's not just being promoted by the fringe elements. He was being platformed by the New York Times. The New York Times platformed that guy

approvingly twice in the days following Charlie Kirk's assassination. They've platformed another couple times since that first spate. So this is a widespread phenomenon. It's obviously happening. I agree. The left is never interested in nuance when it's their projects. It's only for ours that we're supposed to make, I don't know. We're supposed to make nothing, which is really what they want. And I think they're very upset that we keep making things that you can support at DailyWire.com slash subscribe. Speaking of Abdul al-Sayed, our friends over at Kalshi, now, this is awful. This is awful. Can I just leave now? They're saying that Abdul al-Syad has a 63% chance of winning the race in Michigan over Mike Rogers at 37%. Do you guys buy those numbers? I think they're a little bit high. Yeah. I'm going to say they're a little bit high for Abdul-Zayyad. I think that you're going to see Rogers in the last month of the election start to climb back into competitiveness there. I mean, there's been a lot of press for Abdul-El-Syad right now. And I do think that the ad spend hasn't really hit yet in Michigan. But to pretend that El-Syid is not the favorite in Michigan would be to whistle past

the graveyard. And again, it's not just El Sayed. I mean, they're going to be multiple members of Congress who are open jihadi sympathizers in the next Congress. I mean, people who for sure will get elected. Mila Kiroche over in Colorado. Adam Hamawi was literally a mouthpiece for the blind shake who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. And that dude is going to end up in Congress from New Jersey. You have Dary Elisa Chevalier over in New York, who's a full-scale terrorist sympathizer. They're a multiplicity of these candidates. And again, to your guys' point, it's not just the candidates, the groups that are quoted in all of these pieces calling us Islamophobic are literally unindicted co-conspirators in terrorism trials, right?

They're quoting people from like the Council on American Islamic Relations, which was a co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation trial. The Holy Land Foundation was a charitable group in Texas that was not a charity. It was a front group for fundraising for Khamas and Ker was an unindicted co-conspirator in that case. Like all the, all the people they're quoting may not agree with the exact terrorist attacks, but they have tremendous sympathy for these terrorist groups overall. And this is, again, one of the games that drives me crazy.

It's the semantic game. No one is arguing that every Muslim in the United States loves terrorism and is evil. Nobody is arguing that. But is Islam as a general world force regressive, restrictive? And does it have bloody borders and bloody innards as Samuel Huntington? I mean, the answer is yes. And therefore, if you then ship millions of people from these civilizations into your own, where they build enclaves, is that a good idea or a bad idea?

I think the obvious answer is it's quite a bad idea. And let's be real about this. Abdul al-Sayed in Michigan is a person who said about an actual honest-to-god terror attack on a Jewish kindergarten in Detroit by presumably one of his constituents in Dearborn. He said, hurt people, hurt people, and likened that guy trying to murder Jewish schoolchildren in Detroit to Israel hitting a member of Chisbalah with a rocket in Lebanon. That guy is probably going to be in the Senate. I mean, that's psychotic. That's crazy. So when we talk about this being like an actual issue, when you put aside the funniness and the fact that the movie is kind of a gas,

like it's a real underlying issue that everybody is whistling past the grave area on, which is why three quarters of the damned media coverage on 9-11 was about Islamophobia. And I said to the New York Times, they tweeted back at me, that if you had come down in a spaceship as an alien on 9-11 this year, and you just read the front page of the New York Times, you immediately would have assumed that 9-11 was a mass at-scale attack on Muslims by Americans. That's what you would have assumed, because the headline was like 9-11 morning takes place. And then the second headline was, Islamophobia even worse 25 years later.

It's like what the living. It's just the Norm McDonald's right. It's the norm bit. Yeah. You know, the odd thing after 9-11, I mean, this is a real indictment of us just as a polity, but after 9-11, public support for Islam increased. So not only did you not have the Islamophobic backlash that Norm was joking about, support for Islam increased.

Since 9-11, the number of mosques in the United States has more than doubled. So I think a lot of people are looking around and saying, huh, maybe we don't want to be cruel, we don't want to be unjust, but maybe we could have used a little touch of Islamophobia. Maybe that would have helped a little bit. I mean, so people have this sense that, okay, the really bad elements, we've got to get them out of the country. The Trump administration, I alluded to it a little earlier about Ilhan Omar,

they did just come out. You had Tom Homan on TV the other day saying that there's an investigation into Ilhan Omar whether or not she committed immigration fraud. And there was, the anchor raised the suggestion said, well, Ilhan Omar is both a citizen and a member of Congress. Is there a chance that she could be denaturalized and deported and obviously thereby removed from Congress? And Holman didn't say no. So I don't know, a lot of people were sort of licking their chops at this prospect. I'm, I don't know. To me, do you guys think that's actually going to happen? Nah. It should happen. I don't think, will.

Yeah. But it should. Of course it should. I mean, I don't even understand how. The fact that she's in Congress, I mean, it's like what Ben is talking about. The fact that she's in Congress is like a bad dream anyway. She literally wrote a letter. By the way, it's on the, it would happen on the other side. Like, this is that this shows how kind of demoralized and defeated, I guess, conservatives are to some extent that we, we all agree. Like, our answer to that. is absolutely it should happen and absolutely it probably won't. And why is that? Like I think that, I think that shows you something that why wouldn't that happen? If we all agree that it should, why wouldn't? No, but I'll tell you why, Matt, because if we did that, if we did that good and lawful thing that would help the country, why then in the future, if the left gets power,

they might do an unlawful and unjust thing to us. Could you imagine? They might do what they're, Yeah, they might do what they were going to do anyway. That's the fear, you know. If the left gets in power, they'll do exactly the thing that they were always going to do. I don't know if we're demoralized. I think we expect nothing of Congress. I mean, I noticed this now that, you know, there used to be this thing in conservative media where people would just brush off the media.

They just, they say, well, the media is to the left, so we have to expect that. And I would think, no, you know, we can reform the media. We can take them on. We can beat them. I think we have, to a large extent, beaten the mainstream media or at least tamed them. But, you know, we now feel this way about Congress. And I think that that's a little bit more legitimate. I think expecting anything to come out of Congress, anything, any investigation to end

with an indictment, any conversation to end with the law is just way, way out of the reach of reality. I mean, it's not what's happening at all. So if she were on trial or investigated, I'd say maybe, but in Congress, eh. By the way, the American public tends to apparently agree with all of us, according to our friends over at Calci, a 16% of it. shot that Ilhan Omar gets charged with a federal crime this year. And notice the number is gone down.

Notice that even you would expect, you'd hope that the number would go up after you have the deportation czar going on TV saying this is a possibility. But the number actually in recent months, it's gone down. Nobody expects that Ilhan's even going to be charged with a crime. Right. That's exactly right. It's also true. Again, I come back to less about the crime that she committed or allegedly committed by

marrying her brother to achieve his charge. chain migration into the country, which is the allegation. Like, the fact that this woman is in Congress in the first place is an indictment of mass migration. It just is. Her district elected her. And she literally wrote a letter to a judge trying to lower the sentence for a person who tried to join ISIS.

I wish that I were joking, but that's absolutely true. She literally wrote a letter to a judge. There's a young man who tried to join ISIS. He was sentenced to jail time. She wrote a sympathetic letter to the judge saying that the cruelties of American foreign policy had caused him to want to join ISIS. Therefore, he should be let largely off the hook. And again, this is happening in the country right now. It is a thing that is happening.

And I mean, Michael, you mentioned it and since we're the week after 9-11. There are many mistakes made in the aftermath of 9-11. I will still say, I think one of the biggest mistakes made in the aftermath of 9-11 is that in the days immediately following 9-11. I mean, immediately, George W. Bush went on national television flanked by people from the Council on American-Islamic relations and then explained to Americans that Islam was a religion of peace and that what had happened was a perversion of Islam. He just doubled down on that to Condoleezza Rice, by the way, just about a week. It's totally insane. It's totally insane. It's crazy. And it's, and it's the thing, it's the thing that made drove me to start talking about this stuff is that's a cult, that is a cultural

problem. That is a problem, you know, what does God's side call it? He calls it suicidal empathy or something like that. But it's just that that has been enforced in the minds of people through by movie after movie, by television show, talk show, talk show, you know, all the news media, that somehow that's a good thing to look at a suicide bomber or somebody who attacks a synagogue and say, well, I have empathy because I can identify with that and sympathize with that. That's not what empathy is supposed to be. And it is a thing, you know, as somebody who's written thrillers all my life, I know that when you create a complex, a evildoer, you feel like you've done something good.

And I think you have. You've shown that these people are not monsters, they're people. But that you should take that into life by saying, yeah, you know, I really feel for Hannibal Lecter. I really feel, you know, like we need to give that guy some better spices for his meat. You know, I think that that's mistaking the message of that kind of art. I think the thing is, you know, hunt that guy down. You're supposed to be rooting for the good guys. And we really have, when I say that the left is living a fantasy, that's the fantasy.

The fantasy is that if you feel empathy, you are somehow good and you are somehow doing something good. And in spite of what Chesterton said, the road to hell really is paved with good intentions. Yeah, you know, this goes back to a point that Matt was making, and I think it's a really good point, which is that I think that the Bush move, the Islam is a religion of peace move, was in fact less about the suicidal empathy for radical Islam and much more about insecurity about pride in America. I really think that that's the thing that's been lacking here. And I think that that's true across the United States. I think that for the left, again, it's not that the left predominantly loves Islam.

It's that they hate the United, like truly passionately and deeply, hate the United States. And so they are willing to not only fellow travel with, but push Islam as some sort of solution to global problems. And even on the right, there is now this bizarre move, this kind of shyness about America, this desire to paint America as inherently bad or as causative of everybody else's bad feelings. And these are all kind of normal people who would just be living their own lives in the middle of nowhere, except that we really pissed them off by having a military base in Saudi Arabia. And if only we weren't so mean and Western, then probably they'd be fine and happy with us. And that's just not true. It turns out that, as Michael said, right at the top of the show,

for some 1,400 years, Islam has been a religion of common. It is not as though people don't have independent motivations without us doing things. And when you are so kind of self-centered and navel-gazing that you think that every bad thing a radical Muslim does around the world or Muslim regimes do around the world, that must be the result of what we do. That is so self-centered, arrogant, and again, reflective of this bizarrely self-involved worldview that you end up destroying everything around you, not because you're empathetic for them, but because you're so concerned with yourself.

And I think that there's a lot of that going on. Yeah, there's this error. And you say they truly hate America, but do they really hate America? This is my point. You know, I believe you. I think you're right. They truly hate America. But if they really hated America, there's a plane leaving every 10 minutes.

You know, they could just leave, but they don't. And even the ones, even those dumb celebrities who run away because, oh, my God, Trump is coming, Godzilla Trump is coming. They come back after like a couple of months. As I well know, as a former expatriate, there's no place better to be than this. and after a while they find that out. So even the hatred is narcissistic fantasy. Even the hatred is just like, if I hate America,

I'm doing something good because I'm not being, I don't know, jingoistic or whatever it is. They feel that they're being and they show hatred. I really hate the term, that's why I hate the term suicidal empathy. I mean, it's because as you guys have covered, and I agree, it's actually not empathy at all. I mean, we do them a huge favor

when we say that they're suicidally, you know, empathetic. because if somebody was actually had like a suicidal level of empathy, well that would be someone who's crazy and should not be in power and is irrational, but it's actually a really good person. I mean, that's someone who, like, you care so much about other people that you're driven

to do things that are self-destructive. That makes you irrational, but like very morally decent, if confused. And that's just not the case here at all. I think that what we call suicidal empathy is actually the exact opposite. It's a total lack of empathy. I mean, it's the same thing with, you know,

you find on the left that they sympathize with the criminals. And so that's why we have to keep releasing the, you know, the murderous black guys back out into the public because they're so empathetic, supposedly, for these criminals. That's not empathy. That's a total lack of empathy and sympathy for the victims of that guy. That's like you don't feel anything. But we just went, not to take this in a totally wrong direction, but we went through this with the Lindsay Clancy trial.

It's like pretending that we're so empathetic for this woman. No, no, no, you're not empathetic for her. You don't care at all about the three children. She murdered. You're not even thinking about them. You feel nothing for them. And, you know, it's like the saying that, you know, cruelty for the... Mercy for the guilty as cruelty to the innocent. Adam Smith. You know, the nicest thing I think you can say about the libs here equally applies to George W. Bush when he made that. crazy statement that he just doubled down on 25 years later that Islam's a religion of peace. And it's this kind of wishcasting. What when the left wants to let the aforementioned, you know, career, black criminal, homeless guy out in New York so that he can go push more people down the subway stairs,

what they're saying, the most charitable read of what they're saying is, well, I just prefer to think that this guy will be reformed. I prefer to think after the 75th time he's been arrested that that's it. There's not going to be a number 76. I prefer to think that a boy really can be a girl. That's probably the extreme version of that wishcasting. And when George W. Bush says, Islam's a religion of peace. What he's really saying is, I prefer to think that Islam is a religion of peace. And it isn't. That's obviously belied by the entire history of Islam from the moment that Muhammad received his supposed apparitions all the way up to present day. It just isn't. Some religions don't spread through violence, namely Christianity, which spreads,

Christianity spreads through violence in the sense that Christians are the victims of violence as they are evangelizing. You know, the instances of Christian violence and evangelism, you can count on far less than one hand throughout history, and there was controversy over them at the time, going back to the reign of Charlemagne, okay? With Islam, that is just the modus operandi.

And so Bush couldn't grapple with that. I have sympathy for him, though not to a suicidal degree, in the sense that he wanted to keep the Muslims who were in America happy. He wanted to think the best of people. He didn't want to offend our Gulf allies, perhaps. So he said something that isn't true. But this is what the left does. The left's argument, all the way up through the transgender thing,

was that they seem to believe that lies are liberating. That if we just lie and we all agree to lie together, that we can change the world. And that the truth is somehow oppressive. And that's entirely contrary to what we've always believed and what is true, which is that the truth is what sets you free. You know, that's a pretty foundational principle for us. And, you know, you see this in all of our Western institutions going back to the church. Another very important institution in your community is your small business, which is why you need to check out Cardiff.

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So you're just living in reality, you don't have to label it Christian. And I think that that's one of the problems the West has in this. moment when Christianity has fallen away and when belief has fallen away is that we forget that this is who we are and this is why we believe what we believe. And I am somebody who loves to anger the anti-Semites by pointing it out that it is Judeo-Christianity. It's the same ethos of, you know, caring about other human beings as you care for yourself. And I think that that's the Bush problem. You know, there's that wonderful line that I think was William F. Buckley had about the Bush's was that they are conservative. They are, he is. He is.

He's a conservative, but he's not conservative with the Big Sea, and the big sea makes all the difference. And I think that's the thing about George W. Bush was that he didn't really understand that his own religion, which he was sincere about, was why he thought the things he thought, why he stood against the people he stood against and why he fought the wars he fought. And so he kind of muddied the waters, as Ben says, he muttered them very, very quickly so that the Babylon B had that great headline. I think was the Babylon B, if not the onion, where they said, we predict victory against whoever it is we're fighting. I think that that was a real problem with the wars on terror

is not focusing on what exactly we were doing. Yeah, so we need to focus on this movie by playing a video of the Muslim leaders saying a bunch of crazy stuff. That was a worst transition. My name is Ibrahim Assad Malod. I am an expatriate of the Islamic State in Iraq and al-Shahm.

We who love and serve Allah fought back against the Americans and the Zionists and established the glorious caliphate. It was a place where Muslims could live with dignity and find a refuge from the scourge of secularism and the lands of unbelief. But unfortunately, your imperialism would not allow you to leave us alone in peace, pursuing the ways of Allah. No, it was destroyed, but the miracles of Allah They never cease for here today inside of your United States We establish a new caliphate may be small But every soul who truly serves Allah is a whole world And only in a true caliphate can we truly serve

Allah, the great Satan America will fall. It's a documentary. That's my main criticism of the stories. I mean, well, that's kind of the point, right? I mean, you know, that's kind of the point, Michael, is that actually when you watch the film, one of the things that's weird about it, and I think that the reason why, you know,

I called it sort of a mashup between Red Dawn and, you know, Blazing Saddles is there are these very funny moments that obviously are like half joking. But then the villain actually is just saying things that people actually say. That is stuff that ISIS says. And so when it gets called deranged by Slate, yeah, I mean, that belief system is totally deranged.

It also happens to be the governing belief system for literally hundreds of millions of people in a wide variety of countries around the world. And what he's saying about Islamic Caliphate and Sharia law being a way to govern your life and the only way that you can truly be fulfilled as a human being is to be Muslim and to be Muslim in a Sharia law society. That is the case made by like Pakistan. Okay? That's a case that is made by Indonesia, right?

These are cases that are made all over planet Earth. And to pretend that away is, I think, a sin. Because when you pretend away the truth, you end up making yourself vulnerable. I mean, Drew, you threw out the term war on terror because that was the term, obviously, the Bush used. You can't fight a war against a tactic. And everyone was pointing this out with half a brain. The minute that George W. Bush started talking about this back in 2001, 2002.

War on terror is like saying war on murder. You can't do that. You actually have to fight a war against particular people or particular ideologies. If you had said that the war against the Nazis during World War II was not a war against Nazis. It was a war on Blitzkrieg. That would have made zero sense to anybody.

But again, we did like two decades of that simply because we refused to acknowledge the elephant in the room. And it's an elephant that we still refuse to acknowledge and that you call this, like you're called a slur for acknowledging the elephant in the room. That's what's so frustrating about all of this.

Yeah, you know, listening to the speech. Are you saying that Nazism is not the religion of peace? Yeah, yeah. That's why to be clear it. Relatively, maybe. to even the newer ideologies that are coming out. I, listening to the speech, I'm reminded of a great, it might have been Belloch too.

I just crib all my good stuff from Chesterton and Belloch. But it was an observation, it's been made by many other people over history, though, which is that one of the features of Islam that distinguishes it from Christianity, which you very eloquently described, Drew, is this sort of ethos of reality. One of the elements of Islam that distinguishes it is that it's a very carnal religion. And I think Chesterton said it appeals to carnal men. It's carnal in the sense that when Christians think about heaven, our image of heaven is the beatific vision.

You know, it's being with God and loving him forever in the communion of the saints in this way that we can't possibly imagine. You know, we can't even begin to fathom what God is prepared for us in heaven. So I remember when I was a little boy, I asked my family friend, I said, hey, well, will I have pizza in heaven? Because I really like pizza. And you say heaven's where all the good stuff is, so am I going to get pizza? And he said, well, I guess you could, but you won't need it or want it. And with Islam, it kind of goes backwards, and it substitutes all of these spiritual goods for carnal goods. You know, that's the idea of the 72 virgins. And so it's no surprise that Christianity,

the religion that animates and defines our civilization, spreads in this very spiritual way, where the violence is really just committed against us, and yet somehow the religion spreads because of the Holy Spirit. Whereas for Islam, being carnal, it has to spread through physical means, through, you know, not through the spiritual warfare of holding my rosary and praying, but the spiritual warfare, or the physical warfare of actual bullets. You know, those two things don't jive. And so I think that's why you're having a lot of problems of assimilation here. Did you see some of these reports that after we've been reading for years and years about no go zones in Paris and throughout continental Europe and parts of the UK, now we're getting something kind of like that in the United

States? I think a cop said he's not, he's not going into something. of these neighborhoods. How's it going, sir? Quick question for you. Yes. I noticed you're giving a ticket to this car, right? Yes. Okay.

And what about all the taxis that are double parked? They're allowed in the time of Salat. Please say that again to the camera. Go ahead. No. They permitted in the time of Salad in the city, they permitted in the time of prayer. How do you know they're Muslim?

Why is he not allowed to? How do you know he's not praying? praying? No, we're... This is only the time of the prayer. How do you know that that car is not going to pray? How do you know that the guy that drives that car is not going to pray? This is not the question. Only the question is the time of prayer they can park. We are not justify and police justify that's a matter. I have two takeaways. One, I think it's kind of based that cops are not giving out tickets so that people can pray. That is awesome. The problem is they're doing it for Muslims. Like if it were around churches, I think that's way better. But also, but there's also clearly this two-tiered system.

The guy, the Christian guy, the Jewish guy, the atheist guy who's driving, he gets the ticket, but the Muslim guy has a separate set of laws. I mean, I'm not saying we're going to have Sharia law at the federal level tomorrow, but that is clearly incrementally moving in that direction, isn't it? And it shows you the total fiction. of the separation of church and state myth, which we know was always kind of mythology because that's not actually in the First Amendment, the separation of church and state.

But you had judges in the middle of the 20th century that kind of latched on to this phrase that, as we know, came from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote, it wasn't actually a legal document, and they totally misinterpreted it. And the way that they interpreted it for the last, what, 60 or 70 years is that, separation of church and state, it means that religion and government cannot commingle at all.

It means that, like, you can't pray in school. It means that you can't have the Ten Commandments up in a classroom. You can't have the nativity scene up on public property. Even though, you know, none of that stuff constitutes the legislature establishing a state religion, which is the only thing that, you know, which is all that the separation of church and state so-called was even supposed to do. But that's what they told us. And, you know, total separation. And now you have this. And now you have in New York. If you're a Muslim, you can double park.

You get a different set of laws. And you would think that all of the, you know, all the nonprofits, all the kind of atheist, secularist nonprofits that exist. They exist for exactly this, supposedly. They exist for when that happens, they're going to repel down like the SWAT team and just start filing lawsuits. And they're not doing that here because what we discover is that the separation of church and state thing was always about, it was never about,

freedom from religion. It was always specifically about Christianity. They wanted to, they wanted to push Christianity in particular out of the public sphere as much as they could. And then what happens? You end up with a giant vacuum. I mean, Drew, you mentioned earlier the land acknowledgments. And it's just another form of kind of religious worship. It's another form of religious observation. And so we push Christianity out of the public sphere. And then you start filling it in with this kind of secularist religion, with the land acknowledgments, or you end up with radical Muslims who show up and they take their religion very seriously, and they're very happy to fill in the gap. And of course, the left isn't there to stop them

because they have no interest. And not to hammer the same point over and over again, but you just notice that just this guy is asking questions. He's not trying to humiliate the officer or anything like that. He's just trying to get the facts out of him. He stops, I'm not talking to you. It reminded me of Matt's film, What is a Woman? Where you would say the most innocent thing, like, what is a woman?

And it would be like, get out. You know, get out of the room. Why are you asking that? Yeah, why are you asking that? What is, what is wrong with you? It's just, it cannot stand the light of day, which is what makes the daily wire in places like it, if there are other places like it,

it's what makes it so important. It's just shining a light on the absurdity of it, that it is just an imaginary world. It's an imaginary world they're living in. that is threatening to this world, which I happen to like. You know, it's threatening to the real world because if you live by those imaginary values, the real world can't stand. It's just amazing.

It happens again and again. It's incredible to see where the left sees oppression and where they see freedom. It's kind of incredible. There was an interviewer, I think that the piece is probably going to come out tomorrow from The New York Times. The New York Times interviewed Dallas and they interviewed me about the film. And one of the things that the interviewer asked, he said, well, you know, aren't you afraid that this is going to cause Islamophobic sentiment?

I said, well, I mean, it is simply just portraying ISIS as ISIS, and it is saying things that are perfectly true about Islam as a global religious force, not talking about individual Muslims or anything like that. And he said, well, you know, people in Dearborn are deeply, you know, Jake Lang was in Dearborn, and people in Dearborn are deeply afraid. I said, well, it seems to me that Jake Lang should have been more deeply afraid, considering they beat the living hell out of him. And the reporter kind of stopped for a second because it had literally never occurred to him that Jake Lang having the shit kicked out of him was actually worse than Jake Lang standing there with a sign that was offensive to Muslims. And you don't have to be a Jake Lang bang to acknowledge

that the reality of physical assault is a worse thing than carrying a sign in a place where people don't want you to carry the sign. But this had literally never occurred to the New York Times report. He actually, like, you heard him stop on the phone as though this is the first time anybody had ever articulated something like this. And again, I think that it's that level of just blindness. to what actual misuse of law looks like that is making us so vulnerable as a country. It's like, okay, if people come here and they legitimately use the rules of the society against us, and then they violate those rules in the same way in order to harm us, and they do both those things simultaneously, then it must be some failing of ours.

We haven't fully understood what we've done to make that happen, and I mean, that truly is suicidal. You know, it reminds me of this discourse on the right that you hear a lot about whether the right should be more muscular in its use of government power, They're all debates that have gone on for decades on the American right. But one of the memes that's come out of that, which I think is manifestly true, is that if you have two parties fighting against each other, and one of them wants to wield power and one of them doesn't want to wield power, guess which party's going to win? It's always going to be the party that's actually doing something that has activity, that has a vision that, you know, has a coalition and has momentum. And so when you look at this scene out of New York where the Islamic community is saying, look, we're going to reshape the standards and the norms, we're going to violate the law and will effectively change the law to accommodate us. What are you guys going to do about it? Well, you know, I don't see a lot of Christians banding together saying, actually, we're going to double park during lunchtime daily mass. Or, you know, I don't see a broader coalition of Christians and Jews in New York, which is,

basically what New York has been for a very, very long time, saying, actually, we're going to have X, Y, and Z series of standards, and that's going to be enshrined in our law, because to Matt, to your point, there's no such thing as a separation of church and state, never a perfect one anyway, because the legislators have to have recourse to morality, which means they have to have recourse to religion, and they're governing particular people who have certain rituals that go along with their religion, like being closed on Sundays for having blue laws or something like that. So there's never any way to do that. And we bury up. our heads in the sand and say, no, we're going to have a totally neutral, secular kind of law.

And the Muslims come in and they say, yeah, we're not interested in that. What are you going to do about it? Nothing? Okay, cool. We're going to double park. This is why I think the declaration is so important. The Declaration of Independence is so important because it actually establishes a God that we believe in, a God who installs on us the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which is different. You know, that's different than not every religion actually gives you those rights and dows you with those rights. And I don't think that we have any business taking that out of schools. I don't think we have any business taking the Bible out of schools because that's where that thought comes from. I don't think we have any business taking the history of Christianity and its formative value in the

society out of schools. And I think those are fights we should definitely be fighting. We should be fighting them in the courts. We should be fighting them. We should be getting sued. Our schools should be getting sued for bringing the Bibles into class. You know what else we should be doing? Watching Run, Hide, Fight Infidels. only do if you subscribe at dailywire.com slash subscribe. Have we made the point clear? I think we have. Thank you to all of you who have subscribed. Obviously, you said this Ben at the top of this show. We've doubled our biggest opening. The biggest opening had been Run Hyde Fight 1 and we're doubling that for day one subscription. So that's thanks to all of you. Thank you for doing that.

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