The Michael Knowles Show - Friendly Fire: To Catch Hollywood’s Predators & Midterm White Pilling

Episode Date: October 14, 2026

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I know, yeah, I mean, we're really... Well, I got to keep up. I mean, Ben, you know, Ben, I thought I was going to tie you finally, and then you pulled ahead. And Walsh, it's impossible. Yeah, but you know, neither of us is catching one. Well, Walsh keeps cheating. He was having wins. So, like, he's taking shortcuts.

The shortcuts are both. Yeah. I know. I know. It's like, that's totally not fair. But so. What were they going after you for in the Noah Hyde laws? What was this?

I said that under, because in Jewish, oh my God, because everyone's a retard. So under Jewish theology, in Jewish theology, the 10 commandments applied to the Jews. And the prior to Jewish morality was Noah.

Yeah. And so there are seven. laws called the Noahide laws. Okay? And so under Judaism, that means that everyone who's not Jewish, you don't have to convert, you get into heaven just by keeping those basic laws, which are very, which mirror the Ten Commandments. Now, again, this doesn't mean, it's the opposite of me saying you have to convert to Judaism or, or quote unquote, be a noahide. My point is that Christians are Noahides by definition under Jewish law. Because those laws are things like, don't commit idolatry, don't commit blasphemy, don't eat the flesh of a living animal, don't murder people,

don't commit theft. Like, this is all, like I finished that statement, the one that they keep quoting. Yeah. By saying to this kid who's wearing a Jesus' King T-shirt, I literally say to him,

I'm glad you believe in Jesus, you should keep going to church, you should get all of your friends to go to church. America needs a Christian revival in order to survive. That's the end of my statement. I didn't even see what people were best. Tucker literally told Jimmy Dory. Tucker told Jimmy Dory,

I want to cut the heads off Christians. No, only me. Only Christian, only one. It's just, but I don't know. Exactly. With that bit, I didn't even get what they were. Did Tucker really say that?

Did Tucker really say that? Yes. He said it on Jimmy Dory today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, he said the Jew, he said that Ben Shapiro, like he didn't, he implied it. He was like, you know, because under Maimonides, my monities considered, I think it is what he did. He considered Christians idolaters, all this kind of stuff. And therefore, they would have violated the Noah Hyde laws and therefore there'd be beheaded.

Except that modern Jews don't hold by Maimonides on this. Interesting. Just like in every other religion. And there are arguments internally. And pretty much all Jews accept that Christians are not idolaters. So this is not an issue. No, hold on. You're telling me a bunch of Jews disagree with each other.

I've never heard that. I'm hearing it for the first time. I know. Crazy. I mean, by the way, if Jews didn't disagree with each other, then either you would all be Jews or I would be a Christian. Right? Because like the beginning, it was a bunch of Jews disagreeing with each other.

Also, isn't the Talmud just rabbis disagreeing with each other? It was weird because whenever I see... Yes, in the most annoying possible fashion about total minutiaeat. Whenever I saw that clip, I was like, I don't know, I can usually see at least the argument people are making. But with that one, I was like, I don't even understand what the, what they think the problem. Like, I don't know. That was, that one alluded to. I was, I was confused by it.

But anyway, yeah, confession is like, you know, I'm biased, but it's kind of a masterpiece. Do we have the trailer? You sit there and shake because you're dependent on drink. You're sick is all over you. Have you ever seen a child starve to death, professor? No. I have. Hold on.

You got Rob Lowe and James Franco and you didn't offer me a part in it? What the heck? What the heck? It could have been my big break. I've been trying desperately to not invoke your acting past, Michael Mulse. The audition thing that you sent from Yale was not saliatory for you. You'll still have the scene where they kick the gay guy off the roof on it.

I'm not going to any movies. Kick gay guys off the room. It's, you know, the thing about the film is that it actually is, like, it takes on very, very serious issues. And I don't want to give away too much about the film this, early. What I will say is that the cast is uniformly spectacular. I mean, Vaslav Marhol, who's the director, there's a reason who's nominated for the Venice Golden Lion. He is an unbelievable director, like an unbelievable director. What he's able to do with the camera in a limited space

is some of the most beautiful filmmaking I've ever seen. And then the performances, Rob Lowe gives the performance of his career. I think Rob would tell you that, by the way. It's, it's an extraordinary performance. Like, when you look at the out, like just the first couple of shots of the, of that trailer, it takes you a second to realize that's Rob Lowe, which it really shows. I remember when Rob said he wanted to play the part to me, and I said, Rob, you're way too handsome for this part. You're going to have to look like not Rob Lowe, and he did. I mean, Rob, like, totally committed. He's unbelievable. James Franco is just extraordinary in the flick. Jennifer Jason Lee is, I mean, she, like every performance is, it's like watching a great

baseball game where you're just bringing in one reliever after another, and they all throw 100 miles an hour with a great change. I mean, it really is, it's pretty, it's pretty spectacular that way. So I don't want to give away kind of anything about the film beyond that. But all I will say is that it's obviously a very serious flick. It takes on some very, very serious questions. Everything from, you know, God to communism, to materialism, to art. Like, it covers a lot of ground philosophically. But at its heart, it really asks the question of what are the values that man has to live for?

And what are you willing to sacrifice for them? And that's really the... Ben, I like that it's a movie about communists interrogating and torturing people because that ties in perfectly for our... discussion about what's going to happen in the midterms. This is Friendly Fire. Friends are a key, scooties, goonies, enemies. Okay, so I can't wait to see the movie. I actually, I've not seen it yet. I'm seeing it now for the first time. I'm very excited to see it, and everybody should subscribe to Daily Wire so that you can see it when the movie

comes out. Before we get to the movie, if we ever get to the movie, because we could all be rounded up before then, midterms are not looking great. I'm not a doomer. I don't black pill. I'm a glass-half-full kind of guy. I'm looking at the polls. The polls were bad in August. They're getting worse. They're not tightening. There doesn't seem to be any big shift of momentum. Calci, our friends over at Calci now have 59% chance Democrats take the Senate. How bad is this going to be? You want me to go first? I'll tell you. I'll go first. You go first. Yeah, I'm, you know, I tend toward optimistic, but I will say this. First, two things. One, the polls have been wrong about everything. And they haven't been wrong by like a point. They've been wrong with 15 points and

always on the same side, always in favor of the Democrats. So that's the first thing. And we keep quoting them as if they were really had been accurate up until now and maybe there'd been a few outliers. But that's just not true. This has been a disaster for them. But more importantly, when you look at the individual races, they're very close. So that, you know, I understand that the atmosphere is bad for Republicans. I understand that the Iran war is unpopular. and the gas prices are unpopular. I think there's a little bit of craziness about the economy.

I think the economy is a lot better than people say it is. It's really weird. Like consumer attitudes are bad, but their spending is good. You know, they know that things are going well. But I just keep, I keep looking at those individual races, and they're all within the margin of error.

And so they're talking about, you know, Tala Rico. They're talking about Michigan. And when you look at them, they're talking about one or two points on polls that have been utterly wrong. So I'm not optimistic because it's hard to be optimistic because no one is being optimistic. You know, you'd just be kind of a crazy person out there alone.

But I'm not as pessimistic as everybody else. That makes me feel better, Ben. Yeah, no, I actually agree pretty much with everything Drew just said. In fact, I were going to run it down race by race. I would say that we're certainly going to lose North Carolina, right? North Carolina is gone. I think that we have an uphill run in Ohio, but I always thought that we had an uphill run in Ohio because Bernie Moreno barely beat Sherrod Brown last time.

and Sherrod Brown happens to be a very durable candidate in Ohio. So that one, I think, is a very rough race. Texas, again, I just don't know that Texans in the end are going to pull believer for a guy who has a favorite drag queen that he can name off the top of his head. Or a guy who says that there are six genders, or a guy who says that capitalism and white supremacy have to be defeated, or a guy who goes to a Casey Musgraves concert where they're yelling about how F. Columbus.

I don't know that in the end Texans are going to be able to do this. And so, you know, as bad a candidate as I think Ken Paxon is, and I don't think he's a good candidate. I think in the end, the Texans will come to their senses, and I would be a little surprised if Tala Rico ends up winning that race, which means that right now what you're talking about is two losses. And then I actually, believe it or not, I'm going to be randomly optimistic about Michigan. I think the people of Michigan are not going to send a terrorist to the actual United States on it.

And the reason I say this is because all the Calci markets and all the prediction markets had Abdul El-Elsaid wiping the floor with Haley Stevens, just killing her. And then he beat her by like three votes. And so I really think that the entire narrow, in Michigan, which is that El Sayed has short of this endless amount of momentum, and he's such an amazing, he's actually quite a terrible candidate in a normal election cycle. This is a Democrat seat in Michigan. It's a Democrat cycle. The Democrat in Michigan, who's replacing a Democrat in the Senate, theoretically should be winning by somewhere between five and seven points, and El Sayed is running

dead even, like this entire race. And it's not because Mike Rogers any great shakes as a candidate, it's just because Mike Rogers isn't a psycho who loves the Muslim Brotherhood. And so, again, I think that I'm going to, I'm going to go out on a limb. here and say that El Sajad loses that seat. I think that Rogers is going to win that seat. Now, that's my kind of one off the board pick. I think that we're going to retain the seat in Iowa. I think we're going to retain the seat in Alaska.

So if you net all of that, I think Collins is going to win in Maine because she's a pro. Yeah, I agree. Whatever you think is Susan Collins, that lady knows how to win. And so I think that at the end of the day, people don't know how to read polls. So they look at the polls and they say,

El Sayed up by one. But the margin of error is three. So if the margin of error is three, he's not up by one. That just essentially means that the polls are dead heat. And so, you know, the bottom line to me is that when I look at sort of net net, I think the Republicans probably end up net losing one seat. And that means that they maintain their majority in the Senate. And so for me, I think it's where we end up. I think that it's not a great night in the House.

Fortunately, all the House districts are really, really polarized at this point, so you really can't lose more than about 20 seats. Yep. And so I think we end up losing 15, 20 seats in the House. I think we end up maintaining the Senate. That's my prediction right now. And I think all of these bizarre dumerism that has suddenly cropped up seems really artificial to. me. It does because nothing has changed, as you say, Michael, nothing has changed in the polls for about four months, but now we're getting all the headlines about blue wave, tsunami.

Well, nothing has changed in the momentum to lead to that. Yeah. This is the thing about the polls, though, they remind me of medicine in the Victorian era. You know, Anthony Trollope had a character in one of his books called Dr. Philgrave because the doctors would come and kill you, and yet people kept calling the doctors because they were the only information they had. And that's the way I feel about the polls. I just feel that they don't work anymore. I feel that the iPhone has basically destroyed them and we're still quoting them as if they were gospel. And I just don't think, I just don't buy it. I just don't buy it. And so I'm, I'm even, you know, I'm hopeful. I'm not optimistic, but I'm hopeful that it might even be better than

what Ben is saying, where Ben is is almost exactly what I would have guessed myself. But I'm just hopeful that we could be wrong on the other side. You know, I was talking to Powell the other night, who made this point on the polarization, which leads in a little bit to why some of the polls maybe are more dubious. But we say that Trump has polarized politics. That is almost literally true. I think we don't even appreciate what that means. It's like a bunch of magnet filament and then you put a giant magnet in there. Like he has, over the last dozen years, he has reshaped the Republican Party. So all those little factions, the Tea Party, the Chamber of Commerce, the neocons, whatever, they're all now.

just kind of pro-Trump. That is what defines the Republican Party. It's not policy. Do we like tariffs? Some days, but if Trump doesn't like tariffs, we don't like tariffs. And do we want foreign intervention? Some days, but some days we don't. And it's just about Trump. And therefore, he's also remade the Democrat Party. All it means to be a Democrat today is to oppose Trump. You could totally foresee a world in which the Democrats were gung-ho about intervention in Iran, where they were angry that Trump did not intervene in Iran. It's just, or that they wanted tariffs or that whatever, you know, it's just about Trump. So when you remove the magnet, if you were to remove the magnet, you know, if Trump does kind of exit stage left at some point, you're going to get total chaos in there. But to me, what you,

what you are seeing is like an actual polarization of the politics. And so I just think some of the old models are maybe a little less reliable. One thing I'll say here is that when you look at the, when you look at the, sorry, one quick comment here, and that is that this, it's obviously a trism that elections come down and turn out, of course. And these are all very close elections. Every single race that we just mentioned, including Ohio, by the way, is within that margin of error, which means that the people on the right,

and they are there, who are telling people to stay home or that their candidates are bad or don't show up, those people are the opponents. They are the problem, okay? When you have, and I'll name them, Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly, standing for Abdul El-Sayed, like literally doing that.

Wait, is Megan pro-Abdil too? I didn't know that. She literally came out, she came out yesterday, And she said that the reason Abdul Al-Sayette is winning is because he's anti-Israel and because he obviously cares about America more. And Mike Rogers is just a neocon. Okay, like, I'm sorry.

But that's, like, just eating from Tucker Carlson's waistbin is not going to earn you any points. And, you know, just, if you don't like Megan's opinion, wait for Tucker to change his. And then about five minutes afterward, Megan will change hers in favor of whatever Tucker has just said. But Tucker literally came out and said. Or are they like...

Yes, I mean, Tucker did it. Tucker said, Tucker said you'd have to be... He said with a gun to my head, I would not vote for Mike Rogers. Wow. I mean, I don't, I don't care what you think about Mike Rogers. El-Sahed in the Senate. I don't care what you think about Israel. El-Sahed in the Senate is a disaster area.

Even if you hate Israel, El-Sahed in the Senate, with the Democrats in charge of the Senate, is a disaster area for all your other priorities. It's crazy. And so the fact that there are people who are legitimately telling people not to vote or that the Republican, listen, I don't like Ken Paxton very much as a candidate. I think Ken Paxton is a pretty awful candidate. You know what? You should go vote for Ken Paxton.

because the opponent is James Tala Rico who wants to trans the children. Yeah. In the end, he wasn't a bad prosecutor even. He's a bad candidate, but he's not a bad prosecutor. And he's a political survivor, Paxton. But listen, even if I, even if you guys are more pro-Paxton than I am, because again, you know, I think that the allegations of, you know, personal stuff and corruption, like whatever.

But that doesn't matter to me because in the end, the only two choices before me, if I'm sitting in Texas, are Ken Paxton, who will vote with the Republicans or James Talaiko, who, again, wants to trans the children. Like these are the choices in front of you. And in Michigan, you have a very, very normy Republican in Mike Rogers. I mean, he's like the most normie, normie you've ever normied versus a guy who literally is an adjunct member of the Muslim Brotherhood and also wants to trans the kids. So just in case you were missing it, he's a Muslim Brotherhood fellow traveler who wants to trans the kids.

And part of the Republican Party is like, hey, that sounds good to me because at least he's not a neocon like Mike Rogers. You got to screw loose. I'm sorry you do. Do you think it'll matter? I think the same thing is true. I think the same thing is true with the, you know, the Israel. thing, though, with people saying, like Megan's saying that, you know, at least he doesn't want to support Israel. You know, Trump didn't go into Iran for Israel. It's the last thing he did. You know,

he may be wrong. I wish he had gotten out earlier. I wish he had gotten out before the midterms, because I don't think he's going to actually, well, I won't say that. I'm hopeful he might, but I don't think he, right now it looks like he's going to overturn the regime. But still, still, he's obviously had a vision of what he was doing. He thinks that they want a nuclear weapon. He thinks they were close. He went in to fight with him. I don't even understand what these people are talking about anymore, except that they're either so twisted with hatred of the Jews

that they can't see their own good, or they're just trying to find a niche to get their cliques in, you know, because the Republican Party is actually kind of on the rise in a lot of ways, even though it's struggling in this moment. The country is moving right. I don't think there's any question about it. And I think that the Democrats are actually shooting themselves in the foot even as they win this round.

But, you know, I just think people have become completely irrational. I'm not sure I remember this kind of irrationality recently in an electorate. People saying the economy is terrible and it's nowhere near as bad as it was under Biden. Inflation is bad when it's nowhere near as bad as it was under Biden. You know, the border is now no longer a problem. All of these things have happened. And yes, I admit that the Senate is like, I don't even know what they do for a living. But I think Trump has been a successful president all in all.

And I just don't understand where this kind of, you know, you call it Dumerism, just this kind of depression that things are all in disarray. It just doesn't seem right to me. Well, it's not just in the U.S. I mean, you look at the UK. The fact that they seem to trade out their prime minister every six weeks now is it seems to suggest maybe there's a structural issue. Like I can go through issue by issue over the first and a half, one and a half years of the Trump's second term and say, hey guys. look, inflation really has improved. And it's spiked a little bit recently because of some pressures from the Iran War. But it's way better than it was under Biden. And it'd come down. And actually,

guys, look, immigration's pretty good. We've gotten ridden of three million foreign-born people and closed the border and this, that and the other thing. And but there's still this feeling that no matter what good has been done in the first year and a half, it's not enough that maybe structurally there's this issue. Even on the Iran War, yes, obviously the State of Israel wanted the Iran war, but other people did too, other Gulf states did too, Saudi Arabia did too. Trump has been pretty tough on Iran over the years. He did kill their big general during the first term. So, like, it just seems to me there's something deeper there and people are scapegoating or pointing to one issue or another. But is it that there is a national malaise that is actually

bigger than the parties or politicians. Yes. So I think the answer there, by the way, is the constant migration, though. I think in England it's just they can't stop the government from bringing these people in, and they don't want them in. And I think that's the thing that's kind of confusing about Trump, is he actually stopped them. I think that there's something else going on. I think that Western governments have spent the last several decades telling a gigantic lie.

And that lie is we can solve all your problems if you elect us. And it's legitimately members of the right and also the left. And again, called me old fashioned and fuddy-duddy, although it's a little bit hard to say that with regard to Reagan since I was four years old when he left office. But Reagan at least ran on the principle that the government was not there to effectively solve your problems. The government was there to actually get in the way most of the time. And I will say that the constant promise that is now made

that the government, if you elect me, I will solve, only I can solve, as President Trump put it, or Barack Obama suggesting that only he could solve, or Joe Biden saying only he could solve, I have a dirty secret for you, folks. None of these people can solve your problems. They can't. The best that they can do is marginally change things. But that's about it, because the system is built for gridlock, because thank God, by the way, it's built for gridlock because most of the things the gridlock is maintaining are good, like private property and free speech. But the reality is that whenever you have people who have taken the drug of this government will save me and fix all of my problems, the government will inevitably come up short. And then people get to satisfied and then they

just flip over to the other side. So if you wonder why the pendulum is swinging so wildly, it's because both sides are making promises that they cannot keep. And so I have no expectation that in the aftermath of President Trump, there's going to be a permanent shift to the right. I think what's likely to happen is that people are going to be dissatisfied with President Trump as they currently are, even though, as you say, Drew, I think overall he's been a successful president. But I think that a good example, this is inflation. Okay, the president made a promise that is not fulfillable. The president said, I am going to reverse the prices. Yeah. Right. He said, I'm going to bring inflation down. And what he meant by that was the rate of increase in inflation, what we brought down to the norm. How people read that was the prices are going to go back to 2019 levels. Well, the prices can't go back to 2019 levels absent a recession, right? But if you believe that the government can actively just magically fix all of your problems. And then anybody comes up short, you turn to the other guy who's also standing over here going, hey, look at me, I can solve all your problems too. And it turns out that the vast majority of problems in life are not things that can be solved at the federal level. Some of them can be solved at the local level. Some of them can't even be solved by government

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You know, Ben, you made this reference. I want to respond to Ben, wait, because I agree. Even though I agree with everything you said about the government and the state of the government and the promises they're making, I don't think that's what's bothering people. I think that there is something really sick and weird in our culture and everybody senses it. I mean, you know, we're not debating, we're not debating, say, whether to be more tolerant to gay people. We're debating whether to butcher our children so that they can pretend they're in opposite sex.

You know, we're not debating over whether there should be a little bit more welfare or a little less. We're debating with socialists. I mean, socialists, like, you know, what is Bernie Sanders? ever, ever, ever accomplished in this life. You know, what has he ever done for anybody, anywhere, nothing? And yet he's a rock star, you know, that people love him. We're debating with people who are talking absolute nonsense. There's something in the culture that is just out of whack, you know.

And I think the fact that, you know, we overturned Roe v. Wade, which was great. And now we're debating with people whether you can kill a child up until the moment of birth and even after the moment of birth. there's just something off. And I do think it has to do with religion. I do think it has to do with God. But I think it also has to do with the cohesion of thought that has left Western culture

and that did exist. I mean, even in times like the 60s, you know, when things were all turmoil and there was all this youth movement that was changing everything, there was still a kind of core of an establishment. I don't think that establishment exists anymore. And I think people just feel lost in space. Yeah. And I think a lot of the issues do pertain to kids.

transing the kids. James Talarico, he was asked what he most loves, and his answer was trans kids. When he said that, I want, you know what I wanted to say to him? He's who arrest you for saying that. I didn't know. I wanted to say, hey, Mr. Talariko, why don't you take a seat right over there? And actually, coincidentally, we can invite on to our friend Chris Hanson, who can take a screen box right over there, a man who needs no introduction whatsoever. Obviously, many people have watched his shows over the years from NBC to catch a predator, all the way up to his documentaries and his show on True Blue, which you can subscribe to now. And you can even see him, sort of, in the man of Robert Pattinson, in this new movie that,

is it a biopic or is it a complete work of fiction, Chris? It is a gentleman, thank you for having me. Good to see you all. It is, Michael, a complete work of fiction, twisted, dark, even the director has said it's a fever dream. So I'm not sure what the motive was here, but I can tell you that it's about as realistic as a Scooby-Doo cartoon movie, and the only thing it shows you that's realistic is the use of my name and probably about four or five key phrases that I've used over the years. So, Chris, you and I just sat down. We have a Mike Land coming out this weekend.

It'll be coming out on Sunday, so set your timers on YouTube for that. Gentlemen, Drew and Ben, you did not get the chance to chat with Chris for the last two hours. Have you seen the movie yet? Are you planning to see the movie? have any interest in seeing the movie? I haven't seen it, but what I'd like to know about it, Chris, is, you know, there've been a lot, a lot of movies trying to normalize sex with children.

I mean, there've been a lot of them. There's a sizable handful of movies. Is this one of those, or are they actually maintaining some kind of morality? Well, no, I think it's a case of weaponized empathy where, you know, you're made to, or the attempt to make you feel sorry for the predators, the people who are exploiting the children, and they raise questions,

and they portray myself and my staff as, you know, ratings, obsessed, maniacal people. And there's just no possible link to what we did then and what we do now. And the irony is that we've been completely transparent about this from the very first to catch a predator episode and continuing through the takedown episodes that are my streamer True Blue today.

people can say, I either like it, I think it's fascinating, I think it's important, or I don't like it, whatever they want. But we've been absolutely transparent about what we do since the very beginning 22 years ago. And I think it raises questions. I mean, what's the motive here? Is this just Hollywood saying, guys, guys, guys, let's do something that's really different and weird. And we'll paint up Robert Pattinson like a vampire and have him imitate Chris Hansen for two hours. I mean, I went to go see the movie with my wife in New York, and we brought a crew along, and I interviewed moviegoers afterwards, and they were equally as confused. Now, obviously, I may not be objective about this, but the way I look at it, I mean, it's an insult to the thousands of men and women who go out every day in this country in law enforcement and in many other areas to try to protect children for predators. I mean, that's the only way you can look at this. Chris, I'm wondering, you know, when I saw the sort of run-up, one of the things I think that confused people is, what was your involvement, if any, in the making of the film?

Because I think that people assumed that because they were using your name, that meant that somehow you were involved in the making of the film in some way. Were you involved in all? Not at all, Ben. You raised a great question, and I saw your commentary on it when you were talking about it. And we heard that this movie was in the works. And a colleague of mine involved in my two podcasts had reached out to the director, Lance Oppenheim, to say, hey, what's going on here? Are you going to reach out to Hansen?

Is this movie scripted? Or can we, you know, take a look at a rough cut? And Lance Oppenheim responded something to the effect of, well, the studio is going to reach out, but we're big fans of Chris, and this is a love letter to Chris Hansen. Well, if this is a love letter, man, I'd hate to get a poison pen letter from this director, for God's sake. They didn't reach out officially until May 27th of this year when they shared a partial, you know, video trailer of the movie. And they essentially said, look, we'd like you to support this. We'd like to buy some advertising on your platforms, True Blue in the podcast.

Predators I've caught and have a seat with Chris Hansen. And we hope you like it. Well, you know, at that point I'm saying, well, I'd like to see the movie before I promoted, and they went back and forth and back and forth. And we don't, we can't show you yet, but we will. We didn't have to come to you because it's a fictional movie. And they say there's a graphic up at the beginning and the end that it is a work of fiction. The director himself has termed it, you know, a fever dream version of reality.

But my question is, if that's the case, why do they have to use my name, image, and lightness? Well, this is my question. Yeah, Chris, this is my question. They did. They did. Yeah, I have a couple lawyers looking at it. Yeah, I mean, because as a lawyer, putting on my lawyer here, I got to say that typically, you know, you're a public figure, obviously, but the standard is actual malice.

But it seems like this pretty much fits the bill of actual malice, and them saying this is a fictional story where they're clearly using your name and also your career path, and then the name of your show and all of it, and then saying, oh, yeah, but by the way, it's like a fever dream fiction. That just seems like a quick way for them to sort of. of backfill legal liability in order to escape the liability that, I mean, like, it seems to me that you have a pretty obvious, I don't mean to counsel you legally here, and I probably go ahead. I'm happy that. I'm getting advice from a lot of different people on this, Ben.

I mean, it seems like you should sue the living hell out of them is what it seems like. I mean, it seems like if the entire film is predicated on the idea that you are, that the real predator here is you because you're a predator against the pedophiles, because all you want is ratings, and so you're abusing them for your own sick purposes, then I don't understand how that would not be actual malice. Well, correct, but here's what I didn't want to do. And again, you know, I've been getting a lot of advice on this from lawyers who are very practiced in this particular field. But what I didn't want to do, Ben, is make this the movie Chris Hansen doesn't want you to see, you know.

And I think that's part of the reason why they conducted themselves this way. But, you know, when you look at this and you ask yourself, what's the motive here? Why would they do this? And then you have to consider that this is an industry, Hollywood, that was ruled by one of the most prolific. predators to walk the planet for two decades, Harvey Weinstein. So, you know, what's the mindset of some of the people? I have no issue with Robert Patton. Look, he's a popular actor and he gets paid to do a gig and probably didn't give it any thought

at all. But, you know, where's the consideration for all the advocacy work that I do, that my team does, all the support for National Center for Missing Exploited Children, Child USA, Child Rescue Coalition, the National Center for Victims of Crime? This just isn't a television show to me. This is advocacy work where we expose bad people who are trying to exploit children. So to twist that is just, it's really, really hard for me to digest. This is a genuine trend in Hollywood films.

You know, Jolti, John Nolte over at Breitbart has written several pieces about it, just listing the movies in which child predators, you know, pedophiles, are shown maybe not as good people, but as sympathetic people, as sympathetic actors who just have a, you know, a kind of a problem. The New York Times has run repeated stories saying pedophilia is not evil. It's just a mindset. It's just a kind of, you know, maybe it may be a sickness if they push it that far. This is an actual thing that's going on in Hollywood, which is not that strange.

Because as you say, Harvey Weinstein was a king there. But Harvey Weinstein is in some ways the least of it. The use of child actors and underage actors has been well documented. and every time it comes to the surface in the trade papers and variety, people start to sweat and then it disappears because they don't want to sacrifice the ad revenue. So this is a problem in Hollywood. It's one of the most undercover stories there are. I think if anybody ever blew the top off it, it would destroy the industry as it well deserves. And I just think you got caught up in that threshold. That's all.

Well, I think you're probably right. But we see it across the board here. I mean, we did a documentary for True Blue on Roblox, the wildly popular gaming platform and it's got characters that look harmless. They look like Lego characters. And it's a multi-billion dollar publicly traded company. And time after time, we found examples where predators were posing as children, trying to exploit children, where meetings were set up, where contacts were made and kids were met in person and taken to other states and sexually assaulted and some very bad stuff, including some involvement from that 764 Nealistic gang. And yet, And Roblox will not even sit down and talk to me about it.

They implemented some security changes, most of which can be, you know, worked around. And they don't want to do anything meaningful that will, you know, lessen engagement because lower engagement means lower profits for a publicly traded company. And it's a shame to see this because, you know, they could have law enforcement on their platform running stings that would, you know, really have impact. but they won't do it because they don't want to impact engagement. Yeah, I did wonder, this is a trend you just see in politics for the last 20 years or more, which is that these writers, I don't know, it seems like they took one introductory writing class,

and the only takeaway they had from it was, hey, gee, I have a crazy idea. What if we made the bad guy, the good guy and the good guy, the bad guy? And so I think there's a little bit of that, too, just a kind of incompetence. but I don't want to downplay the perfidy and nefarious nature of Hollywood that Drew you just mentioned. Yeah, the story really bugs me because it keeps coming up and it keeps getting close to being exposed and then always disappears again. And I just think that there's a lot of, you know, I'm not paranoid about it. I just think it's something that happens in Hollywood.

Chris, maybe what Drew is doing is, maybe what Drew is doing here is suggesting your next mission. You could actually uncover it. It's Hansen versus Hollywood. Yeah, Hanson versus Hollywood. Yeah, exactly. The discussion about this movie has been a first good step on that. I mean, ironically, I participated in another documentary called I Am Chris Hansen, which is more of a personal profile.

And that was underway before we even found out about this movie. So that'll be coming out soon and correct some of the record there. But, I mean, you know, Michael, to your point, I mean, is this just people in Hollywood saying, guys, guys, guys, what can we do? What would be weird? What could, you know, 824 make besides a, you know, a vampire movie or something? And we'll make Robert Pattinson look like a vampire and play Chris Hansen. You know, and they engage in this mental masturbation where they make themselves feel like geniuses and creative, you know, artists.

And they're smarter than everybody else. But, you know, again, I'm just a working reporter. I'm not sophisticated in the ways of Hollywood. But I just don't understand the purpose of it. And when I watched the film, I mean, these people were freaked out that my wife and I were in the back row. watching this and walked out and we had television crews there and we, you know, were recording interviews with moviegoers. And most of the viewers didn't get it either. I mean, I just don't think it was that great of a movie. It's three weeks into it and it's probably going to be gone. I mean,

my biggest fear, honestly, is that it won't last in the theaters for 30 days because we bought ad time to run in front of the movie in every theater where I come out in a kitchen and say, have a seat in the theater. There's something you need to know. This very important work continues every day on my streamer True Blue and go watch the Take Down Predator series there. I love the idea of Hanson versus Hollywood and you set up a sting house there

and then there's immediately a 350 car pile up because of just all the movie executives and casting directors and say, no, no, guys, slow down at least be orderly as you try to abuse various children. Yeah, I agree. Chris, you mentioned it a couple times

but the streaming service is True Blue. How can people subscribe to it. People can go to watchtruebleu.com. It's TRU, BLU. You can subscribe. We also have a YouTube channel of the same name. We have a lot of important content and documentaries. I mentioned the Roblox. We just put something out on extortion. People can access that. And of course, the Take Down Predator Investigative Series. New episodes drop every single Thursday. The podcast, Predators I've caught and Have a See with Chris Hanson, wherever you get your podcast, and on the Have a See With Chris Hansen YouTube channel.

And this Sunday, you can check out Michael and Chris Hansen. Along with a new series we're debuting, I'm not going to give a date. It's a brand new series. It's one of the most exciting series I've ever come up with. I'll leave it at that, though. Stay tuned for that. Chris, thank you very much for being here. Good to see you.

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What's the deal? I mean, it is a scandal, but only because it's a scandal, I would say, in the true European monarchy sense. Because the only reason that Kimberly Guilfoyle is even in Greece is because she was the once paramour of Don Jr. and he decided that he didn't want to date her anymore. And so they're like, we must send her off to the precincts. It's like a Roman figure who's being thrown off to Gall or something.

You need to go off to Greece and you need to be the ambassador to Greece just so that you're not here so that I can, you know, like, find a person I like and get married, which you let down Jr. actually did. And so she ends up as the ambassador to Greece where she then promptly begins asking people for monies that she can't up the Trump administration for appointments. And, you know, like, here is the only thing that I will say, a couple things. One, she's going to have the most lit memoirs of anybody alive. She was married to Gavin Newsom.

She dated Don Jr. for years. And then she ends up being kicked out of the administration for corruption in Greece. And was also a party girl in Greece. So those are great memoir. Like, that's a legit memoir. And whoever signs her should be very, like, yeah, exactly. That's very readable. Number two, here is the problem.

The actual problem is that if the administration is going to pop the top on corruption inside the administration, we are going to be in for a world of hurt. I'm just going to put it out there, that corruption in this administration is not a rare thing. I think that it's pretty clear there are a bunch of people who have been clear in the bag inside the administration. And Kimberly Gilfoyle's great sin is that she was doing it for chump change. And so get ready.

If the Democrats take the Senate and the House, then we are going to hear about this nonstop for the next two years. And at least 57% of it will be meritorious. 43% of it will just be a bunch of nonsense, and 53% will be totally meritorious. It's funny, because I mean, I had a similar reaction on what the Democrats are going to do, but I actually had the opposite reaction with the Guilfoyle scandal, which is, okay, they catch her and she was hitting up some donor for money or whatever. And you would imagine, especially because Kim Gilfoyle is pretty close to the Trump family and the administration,

she was a big Fox News host, you would expect that they would kind of drag this out or whatever. The fact that the White House immediately said, all right, you know what, no good, she's out. To me, that actually was a mark in favor of anti-corruption. That was a mark in favor of saying, nah, it's too bad, we're not going to have it. And so you always hear insinuations about different administrations, both parties. But I don't know. I actually haven't seen a lot of evidence that the administration has engaged in anything illegal or, you know, I don't know. You'd expect the Democrats have had all their guns trained on this guy for 12 years now. The fact that they've come up short, to me, I'm a little more skeptical of those

insinuations of corruption. I hate to say this. I hate to agree with Knowles on this because he's Knowles. But, you know, I have to say that they have been after, they haven't been after Trump for 16 years. They've been after him since I was a little boy. They have been trying to get Trump on some kind of corruption. And they get these little things that everybody does,

especially in New York, you know, there'll be some little, you know, violation. And I see that people are making big money, you know, who are surrounding the administration. but I haven't seen anybody sell anything. And that to me is where the corruption comes in. You take money. If you're not in the administration, if you're a relative of Trumps or something like that,

and you're making money, the question is, are you selling something that belongs to the people? And, you know, it Kimberly Gilfoy, I've met her a number of times, and I've always liked her to speak a sweet person. It did sound to me reading the transcripts that maybe she stepped over the line. And I think that that's why, you know, Rubio just reacted immediately. it was like that's no good. We don't want to see that anymore. And I have to agree with Knowles.

I think there's a little bit of sensitivity to this. I will totally change my mind. Unlike Knowles, I will totally change my mind. If it is proven, he's corrupt. But I just, I see,

I think that Trump is careless about money. That is to say, I think he doesn't care what it looks like. I think he doesn't care if his, you know, kids make a zillion dollars, you know, tossing his name around.

But I don't think he's been like the Biden family, which was essentially a big, business selling the people's, you know, goods to anybody who paid them. I don't think, I'm not seeing that happen. So I'll believe it if they prove it. But right now, I think it's a lot of rhetoric. Also speaking of selling, Drew, I think you're selling a book. Am I correct about that? I am selling a book. I would like just a minute to explain why I keep talking about this book. You know, before I opened my mouth about politics, every book I wrote was optioned for the movies. Every book I wrote was nominated. I've been nominated, I think, for every major crime writing award.

I've won several of them. After my politics came out, it was 20 years. It was 20 years from the day I published Empire of Lies, my first really kind of politically tinge novel, until I got another Edgar nomination, which means because the left dominates the culture, the only people who can give me the awards and the praise and the prestige that I actually deserve for these books is me.

So I have to go out there and say how great I am, which unlike Shapiro, I'm not comfortable with. I wish I had Shapiro's absolutely blithe attitude to say, these books, these Cameron Winter books, are the best crime novels in America. And this one, find me nowhere. I think you can leap in. They're all written so you can read them individually,

or you can read them from the beginning from when Christmas comes. I'm just now finishing, but I think maybe the last one. It's possible. It's the penultimate one, but I think it may be the last. And I just think you are missing out. You know, all the people who pick on us that every movie we make isn't perfect, that it takes time to, you know, you can't make one movie and have to be great. You have to keep doing it.

And who keeps saying, why doesn't the, you know, write have anybody who can do this stuff? I can do this stuff. And it's just really good. And Find Me Nowhere is a really good addition to the thing. And I'm sorry that I'm the one who has to say it. I grew up, you know, feeling that I would never promote myself. But my son explained to me, you know, basically have me upside the head saying you have to go out and tell people because they have no other way of knowing. And it's true.

These books are worth it. And you will not be sorry. and you will not say why can anybody in the right do this. I am somebody who knows what I'm doing, and I think they're some of the best crime novels in America, and damn it, go out and pre-order them. See, if you pre-order them, all of those books are counted on the first day,

and I have a chance of putting it on the Times list. One of these books, the House of Love and Death, one in the series, should have made the Times list, and the Times actually acted to keep it off. I think we buy enough of these, would we pre-order enough of these. You can pre-order them in Amazon.

You can pre-order them in the Daily Wire shop. I think we could push it onto the list, and I think that that would expand its audience into people, because you don't have to be, they're not conservative novels. They're just novels written by a Christian conservative. You know, I empathize when it comes to humility, Drew, that you feel. Humility is one of the things I'm most proud of, in fact. And so it's tough, but you've got to go out there, get the book now, find me nowhere. Before we go, it's Kalshi time.

Okay, when will President Trump and President Zelensky and President Putin meet together before January 1st, 2027, before January 1st, 2028, before January 20th, 2029. Right now, the consensus seems to be 39% saying it's going to be before 2029, only 6% say it's before January of next year, which means the Ukraine war carries on into the 150th year. Is that about right? Yeah, the prediction markets have this one, right? Yeah, totally. There's no chance that. It's going to, it's going to. It's going to, it's I don't even know if the war will ever end.

It'll just sort of, you know, like a great soldier. They never die. They just kind of fade away. The Russians don't have a real history of ending wars on excellent terms. So, again, I think that Trump keeps wanting to put this together. And Zelensky keeps saying, okay, and then Putin says, okay, and then withdraws. So, you know, I assume that Putin will continue to do that because he believes he has an endless source of human beings.

He can just throw into the mall. I believe that the death toll in this particular war is like 11 to 1. on the on the russian side like the ukraines are legitimately beating the crap out of the russians and just sort of military in terms of military loss um but yeah i i agree with the calci market i don't think that there's going to be any meeting in the near future uh i will also say that i think that the the president's attempt to temporarily lower oil prices by buying oil from russia is is just for the record a bad move and we should not be doing it i i'm with you ben i think that was a big mistake in this thing where he's trying he picks

on, you know, on the Ukrainian president for the bad stuff that Putin does. You know, I always liked Trump in the first term because he would say nice things about Putin and then just screw him into the ground. I thought it was a great thing. And the press would pick on him and say, well, why is he? He just likes these strong men. I would think, yeah, he's hammering Putin like a, you know, a mallet, you would like mallet into the ground.

But this time, I didn't get this at all. I don't want to, I don't want their oil. It's not going to bring down diesel prices in any serious way. and I think that Putin can't surrender because they'll kill him. He's a tyrant, right? They're not going to throw him out of office. He's not like, I'm afraid I'll lose an election. They'll just throw him off a cliff somewhere.

So I don't think he can pull out in any without saving face. And he's not going to do it. So there's no point in talking to him. I mean, there is, though, I don't know if you guys know this. There is a midterm election coming up. Like, it does seem we've pulled a lot of levers to try to manage energy markets since the beginning of the Iran war. I agree in the long run. I want to keep being tough on Putin and we'll turn off the oil at some point. But if we're going to buy a little bit of oil through, I don't know, November 3rd, I'm not totally opposed to it.

Politics is a messy business. The next Cali question, Texas Senate winner. Right now, the Cali markets say James Tala Rico, 65%. Ken Paxton, 35%. Ben, we know your answer. You think the markets are wrong on this. Drew? Yes. Yep, I agree with Ben. I think it's going to be. be, I don't even think it's going to be all that close. Huh. Can I ask a follow-up that's not on the Cal She Markets? Was he actually in the loony bin for 10 days? I saw this meme going around and then I thought it was just a joke and then all of a sudden I started people taking it seriously. Was he

in the loony bin or no? Nah. I don't know. 12 days are a long time to the flu. It is. I mean, I don't think he had the flu, but I also don't think he was in the looney bin. So what was it? I mean, it's 10 days right before midterm, a close midterm. I mean, first of all, I think that you can be in I think that maybe if you're having some trouble, you can have a mental health professional come to your home. I'm not sure that he had to fly all the way to Ohio for that. I also think this is a misdirect that Republicans definitely should not jump on. It reminds me very much of the Federman race,

or every Republican including me was like, hey, John Federman had a stroke. Probably he shouldn't be in the Senate. And then the people of Pennsylvania are like, eh. And so you know what you should really run on if you're Ken Paxson and the Republicans in Texas? The fact that James Tala Rico is a nut job. Not like these mental illness,

but his politics are crazy, crazy. And that's why he shouldn't be in the Senate. Not because he had to have a millennial break, which is, you know, because he's just like being a dumb Gen Z millennial type. I say, yeah, I'm like big rah-rah. Obviously, I was born, you know, with my hair parted smoking a cigar. I'm Mr. Republican. I'm concerned about the Texas race.

They scare us every year. Beto O'Rourke is going to turn it blue. And Colin Allred's going to turn it blue. And I didn't really buy that. I'm a little nervous about this race. You have the historic trend blowing against us. It's a tough year for Republicans. You have the pain point of the Iran war and just how people perceive that relating to inflation,

even though the connection is not as severe as a lot of people think it is. I'm concerned. There are some candidate issues, obviously. Paxton's a survivor, so I like that. But he does have some baggage. I don't know. I'm a little more concerned about it. I would not put a lot of money.

I would not put a lot of money on Republicans holding the seat. But I hope that you're both right about that. Okay. Who will be charged with a federal crime this year? Ilhan Omar, 35%. Cassidy Hutchinson, 31%, John Brennan, 23%, Fauci, 22%. Give me a break. The Ilhan Omar one is the only one where I think maybe there's a shot.

That's right. Yeah, because that investigation started under Biden, I think, and she's obviously guilty. So maybe that is the one I would pick. Yeah, John Brennan and Fauci, no way. Not a chance. Not a chance. Ben, well, again, I, Alain Omar, my understanding is that it's not really even about her being prosecuted federally. I think that it would be an immigration violation probably by her parents, right? I think that that's what they're currently talking about. So I'm not sure how that amounts to her being prosecuted federally or just deported, right? The question is whether she's in the country illegally in the first place. Right. And so if she's, maybe, I guess if she was lying on her passport or something is maybe the goal of theory. Well, I think that's what it comes down to. By the way, yeah. So initially a lot of people thought this was because she married her brother, the husband brother. And so that would be an immigration crime.

She might have been aiding someone else's immigration crime, but it's not really about her citizenship. But then the reporting that's coming out is that she might be a year older than she says that she is. So, you know, a lady never tells, but she received her citizenship at age 17 through a program, thanks to her father, that allowed naturalized citizens to get their kids in and get them citizenship. But it was only available to minors. So if she was actually 18 at the time, then it would have been illegitimate. Now, there's a 10-year statute of limitations on it. So you say, okay, too bad she snuck in.

But to what you just referenced, Ben, if she's lying on her passport, apparently, again, I'm no expert on the statute, but this is what the reporting says. Every time that you use the false date, if you're renewing a passport or something like that, it resets the statute of limitations. So all of a sudden, you had a federal judge sign off on this warrant to raid her home before dawn. you obviously have DHS involved has been going on for a long time all of a sudden I'm starting to wonder

is there a chance they deport Ilhan Omar I have to say it would be orgasmically delicious If you're gonna raid If you're gonna raid If you're gonna raid It does make sense that Because you have to think like

What kind of documents would she have And so if what they're rating her for Is to actually take a look at her passport Or her birth certificate Or something like those are documents That certainly would be in her possession Yeah Because it's about like her dad

Being a member of a Somali Killing gang Which is also one of the other allegations that's out there that her dad worked for the Somali government when they were pursuing some rather untoward activities in Somalia. Again, it just goes to show you guys, can we like stop importing refugees from third world countries

who are just awful people? How about that? Like we now a mayor of New York because of this and a Hassan Piker because of this and a Chank Uyghur because of this and an Ilhan Omar because of this and Rashid. Like, do we need this? Is this a thing we need? Take a look at France. Is it working out amazing over for the French or for the Brits?

Can we please stop this? So if there's a possibility of reversing this by sending Ilhan Omar elsewhere, then I'm very much in favor of it under all legal, under all legal remedies. It's hard for me to imagine anything more blissful than Elon Omar being deported. I think that that would be one of the most fun things that has ever happened. And I don't know, Ben, if you keep saying things like that, you know, all the network, all the guys on CNN are going to start crying about how you're calling their favorite country

a hellhole, you know, they're going to be boo-hoo and, you know, like they did when Trump referenced Haiti in the same tone of voice. We love these people. They're the most noble people on earth. And yes, they should be living someplace else. But just don't insult them. There was this great irony, of course, where they say, you know, Trump calls Haiti a hellhole. He used actually more colorful language. And then everyone clutch the pearls and said, you can't call Haiti a hellhole.

Haiti's great. Haiti is already great. Haiti is Utopia. This is Wakanda or whatever. And then we say, okay, great, we're going to send them all back. They say, you can't send them back to Haiti. It's a hellhole. What are you talking about?

Or Somalia or? Wait, but before. It truly is. It truly is a hell. It's like just a terrible place. Okay, you know, this, I did not expect this to happen. You were actually making me more optimistic about the midterm elections. I'm really worried about it. I do agree that it's just going to be endless investigations.

I think it'll just all be about Trump because all the politics is about Trump. And that's how politics works. And he's our Napoleon. And, you know, they're going to give us this grand epic kind of ending to the story if they have a shot at it. So I really hope that we don't have to deal with that because there's a lot of good stuff going on and there are a lot of really dangerous candidates out there.

Whether or not Tala rica was in a loony bin, he's a complete freak and his view of human nature in society is deeply, deeply perverse. Abdul al-Sayat is half a terrorist and half a like Chippendale's dancer, you know, I want to dance with somebody. And it's just they're all,

one after the other is more and more dangerous. And be a pity to see the policies of the administration go down because of it. So on that, on that legitimately happy note, anything else before I let you gentlemen go? No, I think you did an absolutely mediocre job there, Knowles. I think that we should tell everybody to go by Drew's book again. And if you have not yet seen the trailer for confession, again, this is just the Daily Wire getting started. We are on kind of an epic role right now, Runhead Fight, Infidels, the release of the release of the trailer for confession and there's more coming folks like we have more in the pipeline the pipeline is full and

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